Off Menu with Ed Gamble and James Acaster - Ep 198: Graham Coxon

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Give this guest coffee and TV. Blur guitarist Graham Coxon chooses his dream dishes this week.Blur’s new album ‘The Ballad of Darren’ is out now. Listen and buy it now.Graham’s band The Waeve���s album is also out now. Listen it buy it now.Follow Graham on Twitter and Instagram @grahamcoxonRecorded and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive.Artwork by Paul Gilbey (photography and design) and Amy Browne (illustrations).Follow Off Menu on Twitter and Instagram: @offmenuofficial.And go to our website www.offmenupodcast.co.uk for a list of restaurants recommended on the show.Watch Ed and James's YouTube series 'Just Puddings'. Watch here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, it's Ed and James from Off Menu here. Well, I hate to do this, but Nishkumas got a new standup special coming out, James. Yeah, listen, he's our friend. Yeah. So even if this was awful, we'd have to plug it. Yeah. Here's the problem. He sent it to me.

He asked me, can you watch it, just give me any notes on the edit. Yeah. Just, you know, that'd be really helpful. He knew it was already perfect. He sent it to me to make me feel inadequate. And it worked. Because the whole show was immaculate. I'm very annoyed that he did that to me, but I'm very excited for the public to see this special.

Well, he didn't ask me for notes, because he doesn't value my opinions. I'm happy to say it's probably quite bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you and Nish, you've known each other for longer than I've known even of you. And so he already knows that he's in your head. Also, I was there when it was recorded.

You watched it. Yeah, it is really good. So we knew that it all had got here. This is what you get if you ask us to plug your special mesh. Your power, your control is on sky comedy on demand from August 25th. Fuck you, Nish. T. T.

Welcome to the Off-Menu podcast, chopping up the lemons of conversation, putting them in the water of the internet, adding the sugar of humor, mashing it all together, you got yourself fresh, podcast lemonade. When life gives you lemons, listen to off menu. Oh, that's a gamble. My name is James A. Castor. We are in a dream restaurant and every single week we invite in a guest and we ask them their favourite ever start and main cause dessert, side dish and drink, not in that order. And this week, I guess, is Graham Coxon.

Graham Coxon, of course, James. Man, blur. This is big. Big, big stuff. This is big stuff. This is exciting stuff. I'm going to Big, big stuff. Big, big stuff. Big, big stuff. This is exciting stuff.

I'm going to try and keep it together and play it cool. Whenever you say that before a guest comes in, you never do. Hmm. Yes. It's hard to play it cool when you're a jobist to ask some questions. Yeah. Because you don't want them to come in and then you're like, all right. Yeah, yeah.

You've got to be nice and welcoming. Yeah. And then you've also got to ask some questions in the interviews and you just send to ask some questions that show how much you know about this. Yes, because you playing it cool, unfortunately, it's going to be still a sparkling water. Oh, blur.

Yeah, that's what it's going to be. I mean, this is a big band for me, man. This is like, from when I was a 80-bitty baby, up until now. They're your spine shank. They're my spine shank. They're my spine shank. Yeah, I mean, if I may, make such a lofty comparison. Yes. And also, Blur have a new album out of the minute,

The Ballad of Darren. The Ballad of Darren is out now, and you can go and watch the video of his and Charles Square as well. Yes, to get the new album, watch the new music videos. And actually, you know, mate, we've got some young listeners to this podcast, maybe they've not gone back and done the whole blur back catalog and highly recommend

they do. Yes. And listen to the spine shank cover of my, was my guitar gently weeps? What the fuck? Okay. Yeah. Do that. Listen to the spine shank cover.

The beat. Holy fuck. You know that. No, I love blur. Very excited. It's not to cry. I'm hoping though he doesn't pick a secret ingredient though, you know that. No, I love blur. Very excited. It's not to grey him. Hoping though, he doesn't pick a secret ingredient, though, James. Yes. Because look, well, there may be a new blur album out. We don't want grey him to be out of the dream restaurant. No, we do not every week. We have a secret ingredient,

and green in which we dig to be unacceptable. And we will kick the guest out if they say it. And this week, the secret ingredient is Bo Jgeylae. You pick this one, James. I pick this one. Sometimes we pick secret ingredients that are relevant to the guest and bogeylae is a secret ingredient because in Charlton's man by blur, the Charlton's man knows his climate for his bogeylae. So you've gone with bogeylae rather than claret. Yeah, excuse me, more fun to say. Yes, absolutely. What there might be a chance that you pick set.

Yeah, and you know, then we get to see what it's like when we kick someone out that we don't know very well. Yeah. At all, actually, we don't know him. Be interesting. Yeah, we kicked out Jade Adams, but we do that a bit of laugh. We don't know what it'll be like to kick out the grip. I imagine it'll show your shoulders and go, like, yeah, I think it'll be the happy to knock off a bit early.

Yeah, see you later, guys. So this is the off menu menu, the menu of Graham Copson. Welcome, Graham, to the Dream Restaurant. Thank you very much. Nice to be here. Welcome, Graham Copson, to the Dream Restaurant. Thank you very much, nice to be here. Welcome Graham Cox and to the Dream Restaurant, but it's about to give us some time. Have you had... Yeah, why? Oh, for so many reasons.

Because I'm in always in Dream Places. You are. What are your favourite Dream Places to be in? They're not my favourite Dream Places to be in, but they're Dream Places that I find myself in most nights if I sleep with my arm in a bit funny. And that's in rundown sort of de-kenzian sort of town sort of very menacing trying to find my way home or trying to find somebody I'm looking for.

So that's one of your main dreams that you have? That's how I have it in most nights. Yeah. And yeah, who are the people that you're looking at? Yeah. Maybe my partner are the people that you're looking at? Yeah. Maybe my partner, things like that. This sort of anxiety-driven dreams and quite often, there's menacing characters about all that and stuff like that and it, and no food is involved, but there seems to always

be a bit of a way to get home and things getting in your way. So what does that mean? Yeah. I guess you're worried about finding your way home, I guess. Maybe you feel like you've drifted from who you, your authentic self, who you want to work. Oh, I think.

You know, you want to find your way back to the real you. I'd love to do that. But why is it decanziating though? That's the tricky thing. Yeah, sort of menacing and run down. Yeah. That's what it is. And it's almost like how when you were waiting for a night bus in the early 90s, yeah, that sort of feeling about it. Because that was pretty decanzian now looking back. What if it's going to show up or not? Yeah. And what the clientele are going to be lying? Yeah. I'd say clientele. I'd say clientele. up or not? Yeah. And what the clientele are going to be lying?

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Imagine if he's got Bullseye with him. Bullseye is horrible. No, but he's all right, Bullseye in the end. He turns on him, Danny. Yeah, he gives way. He gives way my way. Yeah, that's true. I guess now, actually, if you're on a night bus and Bill Sykes're on a night bus

and Bill Sykes gone on Bullseye, they probably wouldn't be together. No. It'd be quite awkward that they've bumped into each other again. And he'd be like, I fucking bullseye's on it. Whereas if Fagin was on my night bus, I think that would be a laugh.

Fagin's always that almost like the most sort of, worst, isn't he? You wouldn't trust him. Do you think I like Fagin? He's a stealth nasty piece of work. Whereas, you know, you know, you are with Bill Sykes. Yeah, I suppose so. He's less subtle, isn't he?

Fagin's tricky. You know, and these people don't just look like Oliver Reed. You know, the real ones, they were far worse, I reckon. The real face. These characters were based on that. Well, I was in a production of Oliver when I was at school and my teachers all played the adult roles. It's weird, isn't it? Oh, that is weird. Yeah, I've been in a lambdrampt type affair that was a bit like that too.

Evolver? Yeah. Who did you play, Quote? I was a policeman, not a very big part. Did you have a stolever? No, I sort of had to, I don't know, just react and point and help me out and run off stage. That's what they did a lot. Bill Sykes in the production of Oliver, I was in was played by Mr. Hassan, the rowing coach. Really? Yes.

He was also a geography teacher. Did he have a coach? Yeah, he had a coach. He was very bad at acting, I would say. Yeah, I don't know why they didn't let kids play the other roles. Weird for the adults to decide to do it. Headmaster was a failure. They always want to get in on it, don't they?

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No other comparisons to you playing the policeman in Oliver? No, no, I did more, I mean, that wasn't my best. I did more stuff, you know. We were in a lot of school productions and we were dating as well. We were both in, you know, we were in a lot of school productions and we were dating as well. We were both in the Kaisen Dole's office in the underworld, the Barton bride, I wore a lovely war and so on and so on.

Snap. Were you in the day, but like a double act in those plays? No, no, not at all. He was less shy, he was a bit more extroverted, he was really, you know, he was really into it. And I go into it in my book. Then the first time I saw him school assembly that he was doing Office G Office of Crop Key. And I was like, oh my god, the goal of this quote. I mean, unbelievable.

Yeah. He was sort of not very old and just doing this thing like a professional, especially compared to everybody else on stage in that school assembly who was sort of like, you know, looking really awkward and half asleep, he was like, pizzazz. So he would always get proper parts, like he would be playing Zeus,

or you know, this or that, the other, and I would have multiple parts or just sort of a lower thing, a music part and sort of lower prestige. Do you feel like making this new album and like playing together now? Is there still that thing when you can surprise each other like that? Or do you, or are you pretty much like, you know what each other is going to do now? Or do you still have that thing sometimes going, well, they just pulled that out?

Or we don't, we don't really know what each other are going to do. We do get surprised, but we don't let it show. We've been surprised or impressed. We never let that show, because that would mean we'd sort of stop trying to do to push, I suppose. But we always know that there's going to be hilarity and a lot of dafness. But you know, when it comes to the music side of it, that we're pretty serious about doing that. You've got to have some stupid laughs. Otherwise, it becomes too intense. What?

I'm leaving it to be in sight. It would be really funny to leave it. I've not done anything funny off the back of that. I'd just be like, leave it be as tense as possible. Also, I mean, as well as the hilarious podcast, this is a food podcast. I mean, you know, I was creating my pizza foodie. Are you a food fan? You're enjoying some flat jacks this morning?

Yeah, just that. I don't know whether that makes me a food fan. I'm a sort of gobble-something up. And then I'll be powering along for the next two or three hours until something else, I have a sugar crash or something like that. I do like food but I'm not one of these mechadegafoodies and I get second when people photograph food, you know, I'm like, shove it, I'm not interested. Yeah, I do that, I'm a mechadegafoodie. I am.

Yeah. He's a mechadegafoodie and he takes a lot of photos of his food. Yeah, I won't do much with them, but so I'll scroll through my phone and... Did you like, look what I just rustled up? Yeah. Or is it something else? It's very rarely things I've rustled up. Right.

But yeah, sometimes I've... Sometimes I've got to stuff your first time. I take photos of stuff, but it's very, it's very rarely aesthetically pleasing the stuff I've rustled up. So I would never show them to anyone else or put them online. Well, I have taken pictures of things I've cooked. And I do like cooking and I do like nice food, but it's not like the most important thing to me.

What happens between the food times, the feeding times, that's sort of more important to me, really? That's probably the healthiest way of being. Whereas I spend my time in between the meals, thinking the next feeding time. You're eating your breakfast, thinking about lunch, absolutely, and you're lunch, thinking about dinner, and then you're eating your dinner, thinking about, what can I have to lay it? It's going to be really naughty while I watch cobble boxes. And then I realize I've achieved nothing good. I'm a little bit like that. My fat, my do liked dinner time, but I like it because of

the social occasion. Yeah. It's not really social because it's at the half, but it feels like a social occasion. We get around a table. We don't eat in front of the tele. Yeah. Usually the news is burbling away,

but I like to be at a table for that. Yeah, that's important. I like, I find that enjoyable time. Thank God that day's over. And now I'm just going to collapse in front of the jelly in a couple of hours and that would be great. But that's not necessarily about what's on the table. It's almost not important what's on the table as long as you get that social occasion. Yeah.

Do you know when you're in restaurants and you, I know you mentioned it around a table, but everyone talks about food, the food in restaurants when they're eating it. They're not talking about anything else hardly. They're talking about the food they're eating. It's like, oh, come on. Well, Graham, if you don't enjoy that aspect of eating, you've come on the wrong podcast. Well, actually, this is great because, yeah, you're going to be talking about food that you're not currently eating. That's not how I am. Yeah.

We've really thought of all the angles. I'm anchoring after every item. Yeah, you're going to be anchoring big time. Yeah, but I'm actually lucky. You know, my partner is actually a really great cook. Oh, great. And loves cooking. I don't really get a look in that often.

So that's pretty. Yeah. That's pretty nice. get a look in that often. So that's that's that's that's pretty yeah that's pretty not I'm lucky in that way. I mean I do hold my you know I do do everything else yeah in the house. What do you do? I know that's not that's not true. What do I do? I do everything I can just just to make life happier for everybody who comes into contact with me. And does your partner have a speciality that you really look forward to unless it's on your menu, don't reveal it in advance. You might kill me. No, no, it's not on. Yeah, there's some really good, hello, hello, me business. Hello, me business. Yeah, there's some good, hello, me business. Hello me business. Yeah, there's some good hello me business. There's a good cough. I mean, as well. Oh, nice. So sort of like a lot of Middle East and Turkish cooking. Yeah. Well, I'm a bit nervous because

I'm so, so I'm really, really appreciate it. We should listen to it this and then be an audience who's given away her secret recipes. Yeah. You know't have to talk about it. You've been putting you in this position now is going to lead to Mojang's I. You dreams, don't you, and go to sleep and it's going to be my arm. Bill's like, I'm being like, tell me the recipes. Yeah. Tell me, what's the whole loamy business?

What is your partner cook? Get him, bull's eye. We're going to find out what the cough do. What's in the cough do? Lamb. Yeah, yeah. Lamb. Or maybe it's not cough do Lamb. Yeah, that would be lamb. Or maybe it's not cough, it's not cough,

it's just more of a sort of, I mean, are they sort of an extended, they're a sort of a meatball. Yeah, let's wash down, I like that. But anyway, I can't talk about food that I like this not on my menu, can I? Oh, you can, you can, of course you can. I do like pasta and things.

I try to eat very healthfully. And recently I was in Denmark and that was that was the best things I've eaten for yeah, for a good while. You know, white barragas and little little prawns swimming in some sort of main asie type staff and some marinated herring on some rye bread or rude bread. Yeah. And you know, a bit of onion and thing like that. And yeah, I like that. I like that. Something.

So more like the scandi way of cooking quite clean, it feels healthy, but it's also delicious and flavor-some. Yeah, yeah, it's good. You know, it has a bit of that, um, deal, a bit of that going on. Because the only other part of me, apart from Midlands, England is a bit of Norwegian. So there's probably, I might not have anything to do with why I like that food, but I might

have a little bit to do with it. On Midlands, but I don't know if I'm Norwegian. Where are Midlands are you from in the Northamptonshire? Captain Rinn in Northamptonshire. Northamptonshire. Check the shoes out. Yeah. Cobblers. LAUGHTER

Vans is based in Catherine and me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The original Vans. You've got a Maricar. I think these are French my shit for a while. That's flat. I've got new balance on. New balance.

Because even though I don't have kids, I've turned into a dad in the last year. Yeah, if you. Yeah, a Trump-dad vibes. The dad sort of fit hat. Yeah. Yeah. A Trump vibes. The dad sort of fit hat. Yeah, absolutely. Got the hat.

This is in his beautiful, extremely distracting t-shirt you're wearing. Yeah, sorry. So you're looking at that. It's a wrap. Yeah, you've got writing on your hat that is difficult to make out. And I'm finding myself having to stare at it. Yes. Well, ever you know, again, I've noticed you glance at head.

Yes. And you don't look happy each time. I was happy here. It's about the T-shirt though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rather than my general vibe, this is a wrestling T-shirt. I'll explain everything I'm wearing. Right. Rear it.

Rear it quickly. She's a fantastic wrestler. And it says she's my mommy on there, because that's what Dominic Mysterio calls her. And then the hat is a band a band called Harriet. Harriet. Harriet. Yes, there are a new British metal band. They called Harriet. Harriet, yeah. Okay, I'm not going to say anything about that. No, well there's obvious things you'd say, but you know it's I am an old creature's great and small family see from way back the original TV series. The Christian vet. He was a Christian vet. He was a Christian vet. Yeah, you're a fan, you see. Oh, yeah, from way back, the original TV series. The Christian vet.

He was a Christian vet. He was a Christian vet. Yeah, he was a vet. And he loved God and Jesus. I suppose he did. He did. Well, is this a satanic vet? Yeah.

As far as I know, the band Harriet are not named after James Harriet. And we're missing an hour. When you see them live, you don't get Christian vibes, I'll say that. Excellent. Yeah. What sort of vibes you get? Sort of just very, um, extreme metal vibes. I'd like to hear that. Yeah. They're very, very good. Yeah. Do you like metal? Never going to do. I'd sort of appreciate yonks and yonks to go. I got into sort of things like the helicopters and in tuned and bands like this that were more Scandinavia's Swedish it was like heavy quite heavy rock really or quite tried like greasy rock and roll sort of stuff yeah I was quite like listening to that stuff for

a bit and I went seeing and tuned a couple of times and they were great chaps yeah they're brilliant they were just having a great laugh. And they sounded heavy as hell then at that point. But they don't go and see bands like that a lot. Do you go to many gigs? Not really. I like your cadence away. I've told we don't know where the sentence is going to end. And it will just end out of nowhere.

I don't know. Oh, yeah. You keep it because I don't know. Is that what I'm putting? No, we love it. We love it. It's good stuff. I like to see gigs, but I'm a bit, you know, my hearing has been knocked about a little bit recently, and so I'm not sure whether it's that great for me to see too many gigs.

I'm involved. I'm in a noisy situation quite more often than not, though, which is the problem. But I do have hearing aids and things like that, which I'm not wearing today, because I thought this would be all right. Yeah, we're okay. Yeah, you don't need to know what we're doing. Unless we get a hairier on, we should be fine. We always start with still or sparkling water.

Still. Yeah, straight away. Absolutely. Not a sparkling fan. Sparkling, I've always thought there was for canas. I think it is isn't it? Let's face it. Cainers. Why is it for canas? Well, they need really something to cut through all the night before. You know, they need some fizz to bring them back to life. I've always thought that

that was everybody I know, I mean, not everybody I'm being unfair, but when every people are all just sparking warm and they go to a restaurant, I know, I mean, not everybody. I'm being unfair, but when every people are all just sparking warm and they go to a restaurant, I go, I look at them, yeah. And I think they've been caning it. So I like to have it, you know, as close to like sources, I'll be up there sucking on a hillside, you know, if I could, we can, I mean, it's the dream, it's the dream restaurant. If you want to suck on a hillside at the start, this means we can do that for you

because I'm a genie, I've got powers. So if you want to be sucking on a Scandinavian hillside, maybe. Or maybe even where, where, where in Ashborne somewhere. Yeah. Is that near Kettering? No, I don't think so. I think that's further north than Kettering. Oh, you from the Midlands?

I'm from Darb Spondon, Darby, originally. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My sister lived in Darby for a bit, so I go there quite a bit. Visit. I've always spoke about everything

about that on the podcast before. The man called Boston, who would sit on the wall. Yes. Hamtidam. Hamtidam. Sorry, yes. Hamtidam.

You got mixed up again. You're always doing jump. Sorry, yes, I don't have to dub. You got mixed up again. You're always doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like to suck on a hillside? Yeah, in the dark peaks. In the dark peaks. You see the dark peaks. Do you want a straw to suck on the hillside? Do you want to just ellipse to the hillside?'d just like the lip straight on. Yeah, it's a bit constricting the straw. Yeah, I'd like to get the full pressure,

the full water pressure, full in the physogue. I think if anything made me suspect someone was a cana, it would be someone sucking off a hillside. Yeah, yeah, not sucking off the hillside. Oh, come on, he's not sucking off. The sucking the water off the hillside. Well, yeah, I guess, I guess. Sucking off a hillside. No, I'm sorry. Come on, he's not sucking it off. No, no. But sucking the water off the hillside. Well, yeah, I guess I guess I'm not sucking off a hillside.

Come on, man. It's sucking the hillside. Sucking on the hillside. Latching one's lips yield to the pressure of water as it springs forth. Yes. That's all right. I think that's all right. Would you want anyone with you at this meal?

Do you want anyone to do it? No, I didn't know that that was part of the deal. I could choose people. Just with that meal dream. Would your dream to be a dine alone, like, if it is, then do that? Whenever I've dined alone, I have, I have a, I've got a glimpse into the anxiety dreams together.

Yeah. It's been slightly, it's kind of embarrassing and you feel like a bit of a saddo and I tend to eat very, very quickly and get out of there. So I'm probably sitting there eating fast and asking for whatever I need and then hardly finishing and then asking, can I pay? Can I get out of here and then leaving really quick.

So they probably feel they've dealt with some extremely neurotic person. Or at other times I feel remarkably swerved when I'm on my own, but it really just depends on the general feeling and how the neurosis is doing. It depends on the restaurant a bit as well, maybe. I don't like all posh. I don't know, tasting menus and things like that, that's all a bit odd. I don't like being molly coddled and treated like a toddler or a baby in a restaurant. People point with their little finger at bits of what's on the plate and tell you what it is. I've never thought of that as being treated like a baby, but it makes absolutely sense when you put it like that. It's like just put it, just, you know, just let me eat it. Although, you know, just let me eat it.

Although, you know, I've never thought about the point in with the little finger as well. Yeah. And actually, I think if they came along and they pointed with their normal point in finger at my food, I think I'll be like, get the hell out of here. I feel that would offend me more. Yeah.

Pointing with the little finger does feel cleaner and less rude. Less aggressive. But if they were pointing with their actual finger, I'd be like, yeah, it's accusationally so. It's just the pretence of it. The pretence, I don't mean pretentious, pretent,

pretentive, pretent, was the word, pretentious. I've heard the full sentence. The fakery, it's the fakery of it. Yeah. You know, this bloke is doing this and he's describing what that's called and this is a little bit this bloke is doing this and he's describing what that's called and and this is a little bit of foam to go with it and that's the sort of drink that you should have with it and it's a bit like I just don't take it so I can't

take it seriously. It's really absurd. Yeah. And I think people should just be at how they are. What if that is how they are the the waiters and stuff and the people at the restaurant. If that's is... That's fine. But you can tell, you can see through it. Yeah, you can see through it, can't you? Yeah. Would you ever say that to many of those things, thanks, thank you. Would you ever be brave enough to say to a waiter, like, can't I see through all this?

No, I wouldn't be. That's the sort of thing that people I'm close to, and possibly people in the band I'm playing, would be at certain times, not having any qualms about just, I mean, that is rare, aren't I? Yeah, yeah. Right, okay. Tell the people to fuck off. Just put it fucking down and fuck off.

And that sort of thing. Sometimes when Alex is talking about his cheeses, do you go, I see right through you. I see right through you Alex. Yeah, and I see a load of cheese in there. It's good cheese. Yeah, you like his cheese. Yeah, I've eaten it. I've eaten it. Yeah. I've eaten it at Christmas. We usually get, I think Alex was complaining recently that he sends out Christmas parcels of cheese to everyone and gets nothing back every year. But the thing is, you know, he makes the cheese friendship. It's not like he's different gift every time, right? He gets to be in blur for extra year.

He should never take that for granted. Yeah, that's your present. But his cheese is nice and he expands. I'm waiting for the cheddar. The old blue Monday, that's quite nice. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, yeah. So you think you should carry on with the cheeses?

Definitely, yeah. I never get through my quotient of cheese, my Christmas quotient, ever. It's just too much. I mean, I probably have the amount for Christmas and New Year's that he might have in one night. And it's still too much. You know, He is a maniac when it comes to the cheese. I bet he has sparkling water. Yeah. Just because he's canning. He's canning on the cheese here.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So much cheese. Have you seen him just devour a load of cheese in front of you and can you not believe in the scene? I have. I sort of can because I'm sort of used to it now, but if it was the first time I would be quite shocked Possibly yeah, no, not really. I mean, I mustn't you know Out is a lovely man. I love Alex But I did see him once eat a massive amount of that blue Monday Well, it was a Christmas amount. Let's say on a bit of cracker Which you're allowed to have a bit more than your

ante or something. But he went slack and then squirted a load of honey on it as well. And then you got to try it like this. I was like, yeah, go on then. Yeah. But I feel up for it. I can't do that. I know that again for another year. Not for another year. That was much. Yeah. It was much. Pop-lums-or-bread. Pop-lums-or-bread, Graham Cokeson. Pop-lums-or-bread. Pop-l-doms-or-bread, Graham Coulson! Pop-a-doms-or-bread! Pop-a-doms-or-bread! Yeah. Well, I have to have bread, is this mine?

Yeah. Water. Still. So, that's all still water there? They are. Not exactly coming out of the side of a hill, but... Pop-a-doms. What big crisps.

Yeah, the big crisps. You know what a pop-a-dom is, right? If I was at a... I'd see three. If I was going... Pop-a-it-on is. If I was at a, I think through you. I would go with it. Pop-it-on would have sucked. I would go for a pop-it-on, of course, if I was in a certain type of restaurant.

But on this occasion, I'd have to go with a little bit of bread, but not much because I've got a look ahead. And there might not be much need for bread. And bread might actually come with the start. You never know. But yeah, I mean, I would like to have bread. I'm full on butter, usually a pinch of some decent salt upon the butter as well.

Nice. Yeah. It was one of my, used to be one of my favorite pastimes on aeroplanes was to just have, as much wine as I could possibly fit onto my sort of tray that came down from the seat in front. And just have loads of bread and butter and salt. And that was it. You would like the rest of the meal.

Yeah, be like my little, be like sort of a little Abigail's party all to myself. That's quite de-cansian in a way, like just wine and bread and butter, so that's why the dream came out. Yeah, singing in papar, all, and then they're just throwing off the flight. So would you like that for your dream meal? Would you like, you're on the hillside for the water, but you want to be on a plane for the breadcores with the tray down and you've got all your bread and butter and salt? Yeah, I think that would be quite nice,

but not the wine now. It'd have to be the remnants of the still water. But maybe the planes just literally flow over the hill and you've been able to the remnants of the steel water. Maybe the plains have literally flown over the hill and you've been able to... A cod piece of water. Yeah, cod. I'm in medieval dress. Oh, exactly on the side of a hill. So maybe a bit of cod piece water. But it'll have to be some crusty French stuff, the bread. It's not going to be anything not nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it can't be plain bread, like bread you would have on a plane, right? Because quite often that's pretty bad bread.

We'd have to have to depends on that. Oh, yeah. What's the best bread you've had on the plane? Sometimes they bring around a basket and there's multiple types and you can have, you know, CD kind of ones or Capaccio, whatever it's called, or like just white, French type stuff. And I probably go for the white. This is business, we're talking business upwards though, right? Yeah. Which I don't travel always in business. Yeah. And I have done recently, but that was,

and up, that was just, I was bumped up. Oh, nice. And I reasoned. It's always nice. What a feeling. But were you looking around? Because I imagine a lot of the people in business class, they're not your type of people. I imagine you'd look around and see right through all these. I see right through all these. I teach us motherfuckers. They're all mongering of some sorts. There's something they're mongering to have got there.

Do you mean like fish mongers? Mongers. Yeah. Yeah. Fish mongeries, war mongeries, fear mongeries, money mongeries. Yeah. So whenever I'm getting on the plane And I'm going to economy. I look at the people going to business and like every single one of those people as a fish monger Yeah, I imagine fish mongers are pretty gutted that they're lumped in with all the other mongers

All the other mongers are pretty bad that war mongering and fear mongering and then they're like we just like fish Why are we there? That there's not meat munga as the purchase. No, they're just butchers. It's iron munga's, I guess. Iron munga's. Going back to Dickensian times. But I suppose I look like, I probably like to think I down, but I think people go musician.

Yeah. You know, in a split second. Immediately. Yeah, I try not to look like one. Yeah. It's bloody obvious, I think, to people. What sort of things do you do to try not look look like one, but it's bloody obvious, I think, to people. What sort of things do you do to try not look like a musician?

Would you say? I try not to air drum. On my tray that goes into the front. I try to wear a nice pair of shoes from Northampton. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe some jeans that aren't ripped and looking like they've been dragged through. Ross killed the festival, which is where we were last weekend in Denmark.

I don't know, but some pop stars do dress rather, is it Sartour really? These days, don't they? And still do that musicians actually. It's the hair. I haven't really got a musician's hair cut. Mm-hmm. I know what you mean though.

Like you, Alex and Damon, I go their musicians. Dave, I'm so much. Drama. Just look at Dave and go, definitely a musician. He said, but he's a wonderful musician. Because he's not only that, he isn't only that. He's a radio host. Because you don't go Alex's cheese.

You stop at musician, Alex and all cheese. Well Dave has done all sorts. He's been a law mangera. He's been a lawyer. He does all sorts of what I would call grown up stuff. He's done that for years. Since I've known him, he's the only one who reads the you know the contracts and things like that So it's interesting law and grown up stuff, you know to the pilot

Yeah, for a while Alex and Dave both were flying airplanes about who do you want to be flying the plane that you're eating the bread on? Thank you for asking the question I was thinking of Dave could fly so not Alex You would like Dave over Alex to be flying the plane. Yes If it took yes definitely these days. Yeah. Because he me to the contracts. He's all definitely based on the mind, knowledge of him, which is only the things that you've said, I would choose Dave over Alex to be flying the plane. Yeah. Because he's a responsible adult. Yeah. Yeah. Because he'd be

like, you know, telling you, well, look at the instrument Graham here, we have Alex, Alex is great in it works. And Alex, I get honey or something. Hopefully, say, if I imagine, but, you know, so I've been up in a plane with Alex flying. Yeah. It's great up there because you can do what you like. Really? If I lost, there's no loss in that for you to play. It's a lawless like, you know, saloon. You can smoke whatever you want, drink whatever you like. Yeah.

What else is flying the plane? Yeah, when Alex is flying under your seat belt, chair seat, whatever. Did you do any of those things? I can't even go into it. All sorts of things. I can't even go into it. Let's get it to your menu proper now. Your dream starter. I think it's a bit of a prawn cocktail. I love a prawn. You've got to love a prawn. A prawn cocktail? Yeah. As has always been a favourite of yours. I think it has and I started to think well why can't I just start making these at home? Why do I have to go to Tretoria Luca on Parkway to get me prawn cocktail, or me prawns on

avocado. And I started doing it at home and a bit of a thousand dollars dressing on some prawns on this bit of avocado or some lettuce and a bit of lemon and you're off in there. Nice. Would you rate your own? do you do a good one? You do a good one. It just tastes the same as the other ones. Yeah.

I haven't got a remarkably advanced pallet or anything, but it, you know, it did the job. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to sit there and photograph it and, you know, we're going to be tongue about and tell you where are tasting things. I'm not that sort of eater. Yeah, yeah. But what I did in America a few times was to go health 11 on an electric clear system bike from Santa Monica through Venice and all the way and

all the way and all the way along and go like 20 kilometers up there. Then there's this old seafood track and the Americans do a, well they call it a shrimp cocktail. I call shrimp is a very small prawn, but I don't, they call everything shrimp. They don't use the word prawn over there. Yeah, because I imagine that you're being tiny, the tiny little guys at the shrimp, right? Yeah, a little shrimp pea thing. Yeah, the little shrimp thing. Yeah, exactly. Whereas a prawn is one of them big succulent fat bloated beasts that you, that Americans just call a shrimp. Of course. Are you using those at home?

Are you going to, like, well, shout out again to the fishmonger? Are you going to get the big boys from the fishmonger when you do at home? I haven't done it at home for a long time because I might push for it because as you know, my partner rose, she just, a lot of cooking.

But we have got prawns from the old, um, they're expensive, aren't they? The big ones. Pretty pricey. But because the kitchen's tiger prawns, yeah, of course, they're expensive. Because the kitchen's not your domain. Do you have to like really quickly like sneak in there when your partner's good, and try and make a prawn cocktail? She'll just get out of here.

It's not like the kitchen is my domain. Yeah. But it's just that I'm always I'm tied in it up and and that takes a longer time. So I mean I'm in the kitchen a lot. But mainly tied in. Only tied in making up to tea. Yeah. To put music on when you're tied in. What do you live? Well, you don't have a you don't. I don making up to tea. Yeah, to put music on when you're tired, Ian. What do you live with?

No, you don't ever. You don't? I don't listen to music. Never. No. It gets in the way. Yeah, yeah. No, we should listen to more music.

You know, I do like what, you know, Spotify and things just throws up every now and then. There's all you might like this. You know, they like doing that. They're quite often right. It doesn't creep you out, but they were right. No, that's not really. I'm only one thumb movement from destroying my iPhone.

And I, aren't we all, you know, it's like we can just eliminate everything and delete stuff, but we never do. That's nice. But where were we with the real subject? We were just talking from the top. From the top, yeah, I love a prologue. In America, they do, sorry.

So, yeah, I want to know about this American place that you went to. Well, you go to it and it's like this old shack. It must be quite famous around there. You've got a pass where the airport is and where Jackie Brown was filmed and all that. You go up further, further, further. And there it is. And you can choose your things. You can, they're all live there.

And you can choose lobsters and all the rest of it. And I used to go and have a lobster and shrimp cocktail. But it was the sauce really that is different over there. It's a sort of a, it's a sort of shrimp cocktail sauce, but then you put a blob of horse radish in there. And's a sort of a, it's a sort of shrimp cocktail sauce, but then you put a blob of horse radish in there, and that was really, really good. So would you like that prawn cocktail for your dream meal, the shrimp cocktail from the shack? Yeah, possibly that would be a good, a good thing, but still with a bit of greenery, you know, yeah, one a better less.

Yeah, you got to have a better level of better, a better, a better, a better, a better, a better refreshing thing. I love this, the horse radish thing. I only had it recently when I went to the States, the shrimp cocktail, because you expect that the creamy dressing, right? Yeah. And then it's the, it's almost tomato with loads of horse radish in it. A proper firey gets up in the nose. Right.

Yeah. It's in your own tonsury of flavour. That's exactly what I said. Weirdly. Yeah. It's an ontonsury of flavour. Yeah. Before's an honest, it's an honest, real flavour. Yeah. Before we move on, what's your favourite part of cleaning the kitchen? Do you have a part when you're doing the cleaning up of the kitchen?

Is there a particular thing that is really satisfying that you like to tidy up and get right? Well, the thing is, my dealing with kitchen and things like that is, I don't know I'm going to do it. You know, it again comes from an anxiety where I feel a little bit anxious maybe I've been having an awkward conversation and before I know it I'm sweeping the kitchen floor or I'm in the middle of the washing up or I'm scrubbing the sink you know I'm hosing down those things that keep the big bits from going down the sink that you can remove you know I'm hoeing that out a little bit.

Or I'm sweeping the patio down, removing the bird's shit and all the rest of it. You know, I'm doing all of this stuff because I found myself in an awkward situation or my anxiety has written, written somewhat. And I'm sure old girlfriends of mine have absolutely, when the place of the state started to have a little argument with me, just point me in the right direction. I mean, I was all spik and spanned 10 minutes later and I'm really fast. I don't waste time. Empty and dishwasher is refilling, dishwasher is wiping all the things down, re-oiling

the surface of the wooden surfaces, you know, everything. You know, and I'm a bit too much. It's a bit like, it's slightly too obsessive. I'm a bit a little bit too obsessive. But if you go from Santa Monica through Venice and then El Segundo, I think, that's my wallet in El Segundo, and then the area where the airport is further down. La Ronda, you see it's gone. Rodondo Beach, it might be Rodondo. It's a bit further than Rodondo. And they have one of those cheesecake factories nearby that you have to avoid.

What, why do you have to avoid them? Because it's full of cakes. It's like a huge place. And it's not just cheesecake. No, it's not. It's not, I went to a cheesecake factory in San Francisco, really wanting to try the cheesecake, but I made a mistake of ordering the meatloaf first to earn my dessert and meatloaf was humongous. And I didn't really enjoy the cheesecake after

that because that was too full. But the meatloaf was all right. I can't even remember it. It's good stuff, I think. Yeah, it was pretty good. It's pretty good. I've had a lot of people say to me that they I can't remember who it was recently, but they they're a member of a person who said the biggest mistake people make at Cheesecake Factory is getting the Cheesecake because it's the worst thing on the menu. Did you use it? I have to avoid it because it's full of it's just full of cakes. Cakes. Is it that you're not a fan of cake or you're too much of a fan of cake or just the idea of it being full of cakes you find nerve-racking?

No, the idea of it being full of cakes is amazing to me. It's like a sort of a heaven. Now I like sweet things and I can destroy. You could rip your way through Jesus' book actually. I could destroy any amount of sweet things chocolate, especially. I like the idea of you just whipping through G's cake factory like Taz just spinning round and I could do, I could do, I mean, I'd be sick, but the intense there. I guess in the kitchen, you have the opposite of Taz because you're spinning around the kitchen,

but it's all tidy at the end. BELL RINGS Your dream main course, Greg. Now, what, what, what, what, why then when you had a puff on your vape, did you cover it with your hands so I couldn't see it? You did it a little bit. It was a you, I couldn't see it. I know that you think it's all about you. I hate it when people say that.

I remember the first time I got that, I was crushed. It's not all about you, Graham. No, there's a camera up there, I'm noticing. You shielded it from the camera. Who said that to? Who said it? I can't remember. It's pretty funny that you can't remember who said it. The team is remembering what you were. Yeah, yeah. I have been a teacher. I think they're the sort of people that leave the most harm. Not going to buy you one's head, aren't they?

Yeah, especially when they buy you a shirt. I once had a teacher when I was living when I'd moved to Coldchister. I'd written an account of my weekend in which I'd gone up to Spondon, to see me grandad again and all of that. And I'd written that he lived in Mold Ave, you know, I'd sure wouldn't hear. And she singled my little account out as being the most absurd piece of work. I'm about seven years old. But it's everything hits you when you're seven. Everything happened. All the worst stuff happened to you when you're seven. Everything happened. All the worst stuff happened to me

when I was seven dog bites, broken teeth. I'm beginning to fainting episodes that I used to have. And this was my first one, I think. I didn't quite realize what was going on. And she changed, spawned into London. And she read it out in the most piss-taking way. I was absolutely didn't know why I'd been singled out to be made to look such a fool.

And she thought you'd spelled London wrong. Yeah. So she's stupid. But I couldn't. Yeah, she was showing her own ignorance from everybody because she hadn't heard of Spondan, which is very famous To try and spell London with an SP Actually, I read it out and it's taking my ink in it out. You know, malt Made an example of me. How old was she? To record.

To know. She looked like Hamble. Do you remember Hamble, one of the dolls that was from play school years ago? No. Look her up. She looked a bit like that, but sort of a 35-year-old woman. Yeah. And let's call her that sort of age. Dead nail you reckon? Yeah. Yeah. She, she, she, yeah. She probably died. I was in secondary school. Yeah, you're a cope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it wouldn't be my fault. It was on your own. It would not be blaming you. No, no, no.

She's going through life. Yeah. Being that sort of better and hideous than cynical towards children. Yeah. And then she deserves everything she's probably got in there. Yeah. She deserves that. Yeah.

Yeah. She might be hanging on. No, no, she's in the ground. No, no, she's in the ground. In the ground. She's in the ground. You might be sucking on that part of the ground, will you? No, no, no. I'm grateful.

Tryna have a nice glass of water, and you realise it's your teacher's grave? It did, teacher's in there. Sucking up remnants. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't want any of that. I hope she's buried in Spondent. No, this would have been in actually sort of an inculcution. Oh, yeah, I hope she's buried in Spondent. No, this would have been in actually, this would have been in Colchester. Oh yeah, in Colchester.

I hope so. How she's ended up. I hope that she's ended up in the actual one hill. She was supposed to be buried in London and someone got mixed up and accidentally buried her in Spondent. Excellent. Yeah. I was there.

That would be excellent. That is there on an av as well. Yeah. I hope she's on an av. She's been there adding to the pong. Yeah. There is a thing called the Spond en Pong. Is there? Yes, because of the Celenese factory there. So it's used to make this particularly strange rubbery kind of smell in the air. Well, I say you'd always know when you're in Spond en

because you, you look that up. You look at this and look at the Spond en Pong. You'd get the Spond en Pong. Yeah. That'd be a good name for a band or song or album. Spondent Pong. You get the Spondent Pong. Yeah. That'd be a good name for a band or song or album. Spondent Pong. Spondent Pong. Kept me mind from next to Burton Latter-Movement, which is where the Weat-A-Bix factory is. So often there's areas of Keptin' that really smell like Weat-A-Bix.

The Kettering Stench. The Kettering Stench, as it's known. Although there was a really bad, I've mentioned it on the podcast before, but there was a really bad weekend when I was in my on the podcast before, but there was a really bad weekend, when I was in my late teens, early 20s, I can't remember when, when Kevin just smelled like hot sick. Really? Just smelled like hot sick.

Hot. Yeah, it smelled like hot sick. It very specifically smelled like hot sick. What happened to the train station? I don't know. Everyone was like, don't go down near the train station. It smells like hot sick. Hot.

It was bad stuff. We would kill for the Spondent Pong. And that's what you dream made course this. What I feel, I'd be happy. Sorry. We said dream made course, and we went off on this tangent. But what is your dream?

I'm going to say, Nazi Goreng. This is a difficult one because there's so many things I liked. And I was just going to say the one thing that eventually ended up as my side dish. Well. That's that's that's kind of pretty. I'm happy with that. Most, most points during the day or year or whatever. But Nasi Goreng is something that I had that I knew my dad loved from when he was a young man in Malaya. I think it was Malaya. And loved Naze Gare, which is basically fried rice, I think it means. And he said that this very, very, very old, wisdom-short woman used to make this for him pretty much every night.

Yeah. When he was a young, I mean, he may have been a teenager at the time in the army out there. But he used to like whip this together and ease to just absolutely love it. And that's really gone on to me. I remember having it in Jakarta in 2012 or something like that. And it's just great stuff. I think it's sort of a fried rice that you can just put whatever you like in. But mainly when I've had it, it's got a little bit, I've tried to make it as well. It doesn't taste quite as good as when I've had it. But the best one I ever had was Intracarta. It had sort of like, you know, the chicken on sticks thing. Yeah. Like Sata, like Sata, yeah. Yeah.

So you get rice and you may have a couple of satay and a big dollop of peanut sauce and you'd have a fried egg on the top of the whole lot. Oh nice. And it's excellent stuff. And I'm really into sort of rice-y food. I like a good old fried rice. It used to be a huge treat when I was a kid to go to the Chinese restaurant and have fried rice and things like that. I thought it was the best stuff ever. What was your go-to type of fried rice at the Chinese restaurant when you were a kid?

Well for ages it was chop-sour, which is no rice at all. But when I discovered the fried rice, I don't know, just chicken fried rice. It's quite happy with that. Because then, it was the 70s and the 80s and I would have had real proper English spaghetti bowl and eights. I wouldn't have had Chinese food. I wouldn't have had any other shape of pasta as part of them, spaghetti. And it would hardly be a sort of anything approaching an Italian sauce. It would be more like a sort of a stew, a stew, on top of spaghetti, you know, carrots and everything. And then it came a little bit of a joke that there's these big chunks of carrot. Like this is a stew, this is an English stew, but with on spaghetti. So I remember my mum tried to make Chinese food

on a Monday with what was left over from Sunday. You know, sticky pork and things like this. And I'm like, oh, this, I love this. I love this sort of thing. You say, I like exotic stuff. Yeah. Anyway, and I just love that stuff. I love it.

When you eat the nutty-growing, do you think about your dad every time? Is it impossible for you to eat it without thinking about? My dad used to eat this, like you think about the wizard-old woman every time? Yeah, I do a bit. Whenever I see it on a menu, which isn't often, I've had nati goreng with him. But the thing is, it's all in and very nostalgic time for him. So it's never ever gonna approach what this sort of 200 year old woman I've made for him, never gonna be quite the same. But the good thing is,

because this is the dream restaurant, we can help out with that, right? Yeah, if you like. If you like the, I mean, if you can, would you like the 200 year old woman to cook you this in the dream restaurant?

I would. Yes. And I'd like it to be extremely rude as well. Yeah. Do you like it when she's talking? She's talking about you. Yeah. I like rudeness and anger and insult, I think it's funny.

She's not pointing with her little finger. I'll put it that way. No, but she's, I bet she was great. Yeah. Bet she's made that a billion times. Yeah. And easy. Easy.

And I imagine it in a mess tin, though it probably wasn't in a mess tin. You know probably wasn't in a mess tin. You know, I get this information out of my dad every now and then what it was like when he was out there and what were your shorts like? Are they really massive, high wasteers, you know? And then all the right questions. What were the shorts and what was the nati conveyor like? Yeah, thanks to short.

And you wore them, am I wearing amoe boots? And where would you go? I'd go a few tents up in this woman, just chuck Nassie Gorenne at you. Excellent. Is it spicy, the Nassie Gorenne? You can, yeah, it can be. Do you like a bit of spice?

Absolutely. You like the horse radish, didn't you? Yeah. I love the horse radish when I was a kid, and I try to force that on my own children. Yeah. How they, how they, I have a just a little bit. I didn't do that.

And they're not spicy, but they always they always like it. Right. So yeah, once they give it a go. Yeah. Yeah. Just have no having a tiny bit. You're just building up their tolerance. Yeah. Bit by bit. You don't have to have this thing on its own. You put it with stuff. You know, to in-harm. If we get so freaked out about spicy stuff. I mean, I don't go to spicy these days, you know, I'm not like, to have a vandaloo, yeah. I'm not like that. I just don't see the point.

If you were like a little bit, just enough is good in it. Yeah. But I'm not, I'm not like Spice Mania, like it's a Macchism, I'm not like that kind of masculine. Did you like the Spice Girls? Not really. You went into them. I guess it was like, it was that time where like, you know, you just had, I mean, you were probably

all punched out from blur versus oasis. And then Spice Girls came around and he like, oh, I can't. We just knackered your life, I can't put up with this. I can't engage with this. I can't put it up. I can't engage with this shit. Well, it's a complicated thing that they were fine.

I really liked sporty. I liked our song with Brian Adams. Yeah, good song. Even food don't taste that good. And all that, that was a great little song. We should get them both on the podcast. Yeah, we should sporty and bri at the same time. Yeah.

And ask them, does food taste that good anymore? It was a fun, right? It was a sort of a fun sort of girl power thing when this sort of thing had been there in underground punk rock music for a bit, you know, early to mid-90s. So I thought it was a bit cheap and a bit shallow and all that, but that was probably a bit snobby about it.

It was probably okay. It was just a little bit, it was kind of a bit glitzy and pink and unicorn-y for me. And when I thought there was some other, you know, more heavier, worthy stuff being said and being put forward by groups and women at the time. So, you know, the Spice Girls was a complicated thing at the time, because the night is, it was very, it was very different in the nighties and I don't know whether it's got much better. I must have gotten those. I hope so.

I mean, look, I hate to ask about whoever's the way to just make it, but here's the, I might not ever get to interview anyone from either band ever again. So would you say, it's fair to say that you absolutely pulverized them. But, Oasis, no. Come on. Come on. We obviously didn't. It's not a competition. You absolutely destroyed it.

Where are they now? You absolutely made a fine paste of them. They don't even talk anymore. But at the time, it was record sales, as far as the night. People go on about, yeah, they run this battle. They didn't run the war. And the war is still on. Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it?

War's not like it seems, it seems to be. Yeah, but I would say if the war is still on, love is still like on the main battlefield and a race. This in the first eight, 10. Yeah, we're too. So we're too separate. But we're not chaps. Where's everybody? We've got here for a But no, champs, where's everybody?

We've got here for a good fight. And there's no one here. Now, the thing is though, if a racist were to get together, then they would lay waste to us, do you think? I think probably. But that's a good thing. And I think they should. It would be a laugh. Things that's a long time. And I think they should. It would be a laugh.

Things that's a long time ago now, all that stuff. And we were fighting for our careers. It was a matter of life and death. For young people to be getting a career together, of course, there was going to be competitiveness. There was a few things that were said that were there's no need for that. But what you're going to do, people were trying to get themselves out of their situation. And rock and roll was one way of doing it. So you're going to be serious about it. You're going to be, you

know, sort of, you know, defending. I chose Blur in the battle on the book, bought Country House. Did you? It's a very vivid memory. Kevin HMV bought it and the lady behind the counter said to me good choice And then she started singing it while she got it from the cuz you had to go I'd give her the slip and she slipped case And she had to go and find the cassette in the little like life behind it Yeah And she was just singing singing the song as she was going to get it I really remember it really vividly Because I felt like it was like the same way I felt when I went to vote for the first time

This is important. I'm making a decision and I'm going I'm going and I've decided I'm gonna get country house She told me well done you made the right choice so that she sang it as she had it at Erby That's I think I'm resisting Kettering says kept me native. Right. HMV. Right. Well that's good. I'm glad we got, you know, one that I suppose. I didn't think either song was, they were both a bit dark. Yeah. Sure, they were daft. But that's what you want.

I guess for a little battle between the songs, you want some fun songs. Yeah. But then the universal was like, that was the next single. Yeah. And that was a big part of my life And that was a that was big part of my life. That was a big story. I did I did the Kettering Gang Show. Do you know what that is? A gang show. We're in a Cupsca out. Yeah. Yeah. Why would Graeme know what the Kettering Gang

show is? Right. New more than. But specifically the Kettering Gang show. Well, Kiki, you guess what the Kettering Gang show would be? Yeah, no, what a gang show. Yeah, yeah. So you think it's just one as just one that's incestering. Yeah. As opposed to mine, which for sure. There enough a Stanway Gangshow. Yeah, Stanway Gangshow. You're committed with a Stanway Gangshow.

Yeah. There was a Stanway Gangshow versus Kettman Gangshow, actually. We won the battle, but they won the war. Yeah. It was big with the Kettman Gangshow. And it was like my first time performing on stage. And it really meant a lot to me. I really, really wanted to do it.

And my parents knew that I've really wanted to do it. And my parents knew that I've, I really, I wanted to do it forever. I was probably 10 years old or whatever. And I knew that I really wanted to be on stage and perform. It's my first chance actually getting to do it. And when I got home from the first performance of it on my pillow was, they brought me the universal Bible. Wow. And a little night that said, like, well done.

And it was very important to me. So that's nice. Every time I hear that song, I think, I think about that. I think about the first time being on stage. When expecting that way. No, normally your story's end with you being embarrassed in some way. Oh, yeah, at some point, I'll probably embarrass myself. I've sought the tape and then I've pissed my pants. What did you do at the gang show? I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, what? What? In the carbs, I was slightly younger than 10, maybe eight or nine, but they were said, where's women trunks? Just in case you get stays frightened and we,

these control, you still do that to this day? Where, where, Blue Arena? Yeah. Got your trunks on? Got the trunks on. You might see the drawstring peeping out at some point. That just seems like a way to guarantee that kids could have pissed themselves.

It's a bit like, what? You said that's frightening. What? I didn't know that could happen. No. Get your trunks on, Graham. You're a dream side dish. Yeah, chipbottie. Chipbottie.

Nice. So this is the thing that is kind of your, is this like top of your menu, there's a thing that you can have all the time that you love. Yeah, I mean, this is, this is it really for me. This is luxury. Yeah. Proper big thick chips in there, right? So like chips, chips, chips, chips. Yeah. Yeah. I do not, not, like, not a doorstep, bread wise, you know, and if you are in a local fishing chip shop and you're having a sit down and posh me on in your fishing chip shop,

you've got to ask them not to cut it diagonally. I always thought that was mega posh when bread was cut into triangles instead of just into two oblongs. And that doesn't work at all with the chip button. It's just like... Kind of weirdly get less chips in there but though it's the same size sandwich.

Well that's a question for Brian Cox or someone. Well we've had him on a radio. We forgot to ask him that. He gets techy when you ask him questions. Let me tell you. About our chip sandwich. Is it a fact? Hi. He's got some issues. He didn't like it. Got some anger issues. Maybe you just get a slice of like that and you get your chip in your and everything in there.

Yeah. But brown sauce, houses of parliament sauce, ketchup, vinegar, salt, loads of salt, skit it, all in, and just eat it. So that sounds good. That sounds great, doesn't it? I mean, it's the best.

Was there a particular fish and chip shop that you go to and get this from that was like the best chip, buddy? That was your favorite? Well, cannons from Crouch Hill, that's gone now, Crouch Head, that's gone, sadly. There's tofs in Musroa Hill, but I used my best friend when I was six in Spondent, his mum and dad, ran, they were London. Yes, they're Spondent.

Spondent, okay, sorry, he said London wrong. They ran the Chippy in Spondent, my friend Cassie. So I go there quite often after school. And we used to drink this fizzy drink that used to have a Tom and Jerry cartoon on it, and I can't for the life of me. Remember, we used to eat huge of crisps. I don't know what they've both gone, I think, these things. Yeah, Tom and Jerry drink. Yeah, what flavor was the Tom and Jerry drink? I don't know, pink. Pink flavour. Yeah. Pink bubble gummies, raw brish, chemically kind of stuff. Did you drink it because you liked Tom and Jerry? Yeah, no, it was just on there. Yeah, it just happened to be on there.

It's sort of encouraging you to read. You know, you read the tin. I was on that little comments trip. Yeah. Do you think that was the thought behind it? The department for education would like to put Tom and Jerry on the pink drink and then that'll encourage kids literacy? I don't know, maybe. Put in the spot now. Do you think like Tom and Jerry? We asked the hard questions, Greg. What can I say? Tom and Jerry are so, like, just permanently in the zeitgeist. So proud of yourself using the word I guess that you looked up and smile. Yeah, you got your drugs on. Yeah, yeah, but your drugs on them are hard to say that. You put them on anything and most people wouldn't question it. Yeah. Yeah. Tom and Jerry are there.

Yeah, even though it's mad that they put Tom and Jerry on a drink. Just the violence that I liked. You like to have violent they were. Yeah. Just hitting each other with floorboards. And you know, slamming hands in pianos didn't matter. Yeah. That's great. It really didn't matter. Because really, if it was more realistic,

you know, dead after one episode. Well, the mouse is dead straight away, right? The mouse is dead straight away. Good luck if it ever gets the cat back, probably won't. And then there was the, I know we're getting off piece to bit here, but there was the bulldog. What was that all called?

Was it a bulldog? Oh, yeah, it was a bulldog. Yeah, it was a bulldog. Yeah, I don't know what it was called, but it was nasty piece of work, weren't it? What dog would you rather fight the Tom and Jerry dog or bulldog? Well, the Tom and Jerry dog would be the worst one.

Yeah. Because they sort of reconstitute themselves, cartoon characters. They wouldn't be hit by anvils or split by. Yeah, they find the existence. Yeah. And then they sort of somehow make themselves whole again. Yeah. So that would be good.

I actually quite like those. Are they English bull ter's? That's what that make make make your dog is. What's it that make? Your dream drink. Now, obviously everyone's expecting to pick a cup of tea. Everyone I've told that we're doing this episode, everyone's like, ask him what the cup of tea was like in Starship, they had in the back of the car. Oh, that was a cup of tea. Yeah, we lots of sugar. Everyone wants to know what that tea taste like.

Absolutely. Everyone I've speak to about doing this interview, ask what the Starship cup of tea was like in the back of the car. And that's what I know about. When you say real. Everyone. Do you mean Joshua Decom? Joshua Decom and Nishkeema.

Both told me. I'm sayingkeema, both told me. I'm not saying that. Both told me I have Josh Witticom and I'm keeping stumped. Yeah. Josh, that's just weird. Josh asked me about it. He said, ask about that. Then sent me the video to clarify.

It's this clip. It was true, you know, though. I hadn't had a bath. I was like, God, we've got to get to this festival site. We're playing at like 11 a.m. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I've dragged myself out of bed, you know, put me all boat in blazer on and I'm already to go and then Alex swans in like 20 minutes later after having a bath and everything like that.

And then suddenly we're in a hurry again. So I'm taking me cup of tea with me and it is. It's just bouncing around the way over the boat every time I go for it. It bounces up. But that would have had a lot of sugar in. Right. How many sugars we have had? I would have had a hangover and I don't know every available sugar. I don't know four or five sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, sash, four or five of those. Yeah. You'll never be bought more to me. How many to book, bought more to me? Seven, like 17. 17 because they're in too sweet, you said. Yeah.

But I had to stop drinking tea because I stopped drinking tea for a good while and went on to just black coffee because I thought this is insane because I had a tea mug that was like a pint sized and there's no point in having a cup of tea. That means you've got to up the sugar amount obviously. It was a ratio to, so I was almost having a pound of sugar, you know, every three or four days in my tea. And I just had to say, no, this is getting too much. But then these switched to black coffee,

but then were you not just having it in the same mug? You had a different mug and that solved everything. Well, yeah, black coffee with no sugar, nothing. Just in a different, I'll say. So that didn't throw up this problem of ratio, tea to sugar ratio. And that was in America where you can't get a decent cup of tea anyway. So I just like, I'll blow it. And that, just that black coffee and just the anxiety and the pure outrage of everyday

living in America, I sort of turned into a rake. Yeah. And the cycling to get the old shrimp, not even that could put weight on me. So that's not your dream drink. You're not going with a cup of tea. No, my dream drink would probably be in the 1962 Amaruni, but the thing is I don't drink. So it's difficult to know. I love, I would love a nice glass of red wine. I'm not saying now, but in a dream scenario, that for me is an extremely nice thing to have with one's meal. But now, it's like, try, I don't know. I have a 0% beer. As a sort of cocktail hour at six. I just call it a sort of cocktail hour at six.

So is that what you'd have for this dream meal? Is there a sample? Or you would have the same? I have an urdinger or something like that that has zero, which is actually a sports drink. If you read it, it's reduced calorie and it's isotonic. So it's actually a sports drink, the urding a zero percent. And it's one of the best tasting ones, which you do some sport after drinking it and hurting it easily, easily. Yeah, easily. There's a lot of like no alcohol beers now. There's so many good times. Yeah, but I like that this

is the sports angle as well. So you could you could almost cycle to get the prawns and then neck a quick ear dinger. What I like about it is that you could you could almost cycle to get the prawns and then neck a quick Erdinger. What I like about it is that you could be cycling along just drinking from that. Yeah. What a reckless young man. But you know, no, sports drink actually. So I can tell you this now, but like on the podcast, we always have a secret ingredient that we don't tell the guest.

And if they choose it on the menu, we kick them out of the restaurant. And it came very close just then. You set it on the Erdinger zero percent, but for your episode, we've chosen, sometimes it's related to the guest and we chose Bojolay. And when you said the red wine, I was like, we're going to have to ask what type. And if it's Bojolay, I don't, I don't, I'm with a heavy heart. We're going to have to kick us out out. I said I'm a rony. Yeah, yeah. I'm only saying it would have been, we would have been all right. Yeah, we would have been nonsense. So you see, that's what the character would have drank.

Yeah, that's stupid character. Not any decent human being. Do you reckon you could hang out with the charmedness man? Would you enjoy it? Oh, I've done it many times. Sure. Sure. We all have.

Yeah. But that's what from his, his clavits for his bow gelat.'t he? Yeah, he does. I'm sure that I'm talking about wine. Nice deep business, really. Never, things are never as they seem. Is that a filthy olympic that we think it is? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I like to think so. Probably is this. Yeah. What's probably about a really, really about Probably is this. What's probably about a movie with the abelts? Oh, that is really that boring, yeah. It's about coffee and TV.

It's not about a bum's index, isn't it? It might be. No, it's, I don't know what that's about. It was, um, a lyrics collection from my then diary, really. I think. I was like, I don't know about this. I can't be bothered. You know, if you want to write something, if you want to sing it, you know, go and write some lyrics,

and I went home and wrote those. I was just going over some old sort of diaries and get some pops and notes, and I was like, how it came out. I found nothing unusual. Now it's about coffee, you know, it's about sort of being sober and wanting to be No, it's about being sober and wanting to be with somebody, I suppose, and feeling a little bit alienated and rootless and all of the rest of it and wanting to fall in love with someone and be married and to belong with somebody. And that's really the romantic truth. And that when you stop drinking, your social life gets extremely boring very quickly, more becomes non-existent and say, you know, you tend to watch the news and drink tea and that's it.

I mean, had you, when you wrote coffee in TV, made the shift from the big mug of tea to the black coffee, was it that point in your life? Because otherwise, you had them, it would have been called big, big mug of tea in, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, that point and that is what happened. I used to go to Henry J. Beans or whatever it used

to be in Camden and I'd go in there and they'd make massive lattes and I would sit there as if it was a pub and drink eight of those. That's why I'd be jangling and stuff like that. I've written a few songs about that situation. One of them is called latte, which was a solo song of mine. So, you can't go on doing that, you can't go out and drink eight pints of coffee every morning. So, you know, it's a funny thing to sort of change how you live in your habits, but you sort of do have to, you're just replacing one thing with the other, isn't much fun. So, you're not going for coffee though, you're going for the Erdinger, zero percent, and then doing some sport.

Yeah. You want it while you're cycling to get the shrimp cocktail? Yeah, yeah. That's an excellent look. Can have it in the little bottle holder in your bike. Yeah. One absolute, one of my other dreams,

general life dreams, is to be sort of 70 odd, 80, I mustn't tempt fate, but I kind of like the idea of a mobility scooter with optics attached and a big basket and a sort of an ice bucket and to hell myself around some precinct music blasting and just sort of having a dream. How are you?

Blast, how are you? I was a bit of a hairie at yeah. Yeah, excellent. I used to watch this man in Canterbury, who used to go round in circles, used to put it on full lock. And he had music going in the middle of the high street, I think, which was pedestrianizing Canterbury,

used to go round and round and round and drink, and what the theory. Just sit there for ages, just going round and round and round, wearing his battery down. But then presumably you'd watch him for ages, right? Yeah, exactly. And I sat in Cafe Nero watching him

because he was just outside there having a pint of coffee. Yeah. And King Wonday, that'll be me. I hope I'm not careful. Yeah. Yeah, it's your, but also, it sounds like you're putting it in a great time. Yeah.

We've got to be careful of chip bites as well. I'll give you a warning about chips. Oh, yes. And you know, about the dinner lady's mole. No. You've got to be careful of dinner lady mole on chips. But you know, when you get the eye of the potato on your chip, and sometimes it has some front, front light, hair light, things coming off. Well, we used to, we used to say that was the dinner lady's mole on there because I had dinner lady when I went to five way school in Samway. She had a Teddy boy's hair cut, which was dyed brown

and was very, very broad Scottish, very wrinkly and had a mole with hairs coming out. And that was the dinnerynadies mole. So that's the Dynadies mole? Yeah, so you've got to be careful. You've got to choose your chips carefully. And some kids would just discard that whole chip. And if you were hungry, you had to decide,

well, I'll cut that bit off or just cut the bit out. The thing is, it was almost like operating on her face. It was like, it was a really weird hideous. Would you never get so into it? Throw the trip away. Would you never give it back to the dinner, Lady? No, you just found your mole. Yeah, you found your mole. Oh no way, she was fearsome. Yeah, fearsome. She'd destroy you. I wouldn't want to cut it out. She's showing you an airy side. Immediately. I wouldn't cut it out, just get rid of the jubilee. You know what I mean by that, you know, I don't mean anything rude to you. Yes. Yeah. No one thought that you meant that. Oh, and cut it out. Just get rid of the you know what I mean by that. You know, I don't mean anything rude. Yes. Good. Yeah

No one thought that you meant that no although, you know I didn't think climate and bogeylay was rude but Who knows you could be being the most filthy guest we've ever had and we don't even know it. Yeah, no We arrive at your dream dessert And we know that you've got a sweet tooth, you said earlier. Well, this is a school related dessert because it's sort of that toffee tart, and I've never found it ever since. Right. I'm not sure we had the toffee tart. I don't think we had the toffee tart.

It's weird. I suppose it must be like toffee flavour, condensed milk or something, like that poured into a pastry cake. Oh, I know what you mean. You mean, it was just toffee-ish. And I think it had some sort of skin on the top at some point. I love them the skin. Maybe not a skin. And maybe that was just sat around for too long.

But it must have just been toffee sort of flavored condensed milk or something. Condensed milk is what comes in. This is the thick stuff. Yeah, yeah. Same as evaporated milk. Is evaporated milk's different? No, it's not thin enough.

It's been cheeky. Condensed milk is the stuff that Lenny Henry used to eat in sandwiches when he had his okay character yonks ago, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Condensed milk sandwiches. Yeah. Actually, I don't know.

I probably should have tried, but I wouldn't let the bread get in the way. I went straight in with the teaspoon. Yeah, on that stuff. Yeah, that's too good, isn't it? Yeah. I think I know what you're tore up with this toffee tart. I think my mum made, who's an excellent cook,

made a toffee pie. Oh, and I was obsessed with it. And you just reminded me of it. And I really, my mum listens to every episode. So mum, please make it again. Rest of people here. I would love to eat that again. It was just a big, like to say, it was just like soft toffee.

Yeah, like slightly set on pastry, yeah. Yeah. I think maybe it's pie rather than tart. I mean, it sounds delicious. It was great. Yeah. If it's the same thing I'm thinking of, absolutely, I was so stoked whenever one one would make it. It was excellent stuff. And I haven't had it since I was probably at junior school. Yeah. So anybody? Anybody want to make go ahead and talk about?

Do you know what we're talking about here? You would have it with Squirty Cream, you did the Squirty Cream. I could have it with Squirty Cream. Yeah. But it would be the best thing with that custard might be a bit of a weird one. Yeah. Maybe just like pouring cream. Just a bit of Squirty.

Pouring cream? Squirty M pouring. Well I like mixing the cream. A bit of a salty pouring cream. Squirty and pouring. Well, I like mixing the old stuff because one of my favorite desserts was a bake world pudding up in bake world. And we had custard anise cream. Well, custard anise cream is the best. Ed and I did the show hunted. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We did that and you know, you go on, we won the run for about a week. We did a lot in that. So most of it got obviously gets cut out the edit because you just, you just on the run all the time. And there was one day where we went to about five different places. In the edit, we just got a one place. But one of the places we went to was Bakewell. And we were in the car, someone was giving us a lift, and I saw a sign to Bakewell, that it made me think I want to Bakewell put in. And I went, oh, and Ed, all Ed heard was me in the back, go, and then he instantly went, have you seen a sign to Bakewell, now you want to Bakewell put it? I said, yes, I don't even know. And we got a B bike while put in, which are infinitely better than the

bike while tar. And you called it a bike while putting at this point? Well, because there's a bike while putting in. You say tar. No, because the tar is a false foot. Yeah. I don't like the bike while tar as much. If it's fine, bike while put in.

So it's a bad double. Yeah. And I didn't know, to be honest, I didn't know that. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't aware about the tar putting war. Yeah, there is a big thing. We went in, we said, Bakewell putting please, and the lady said, good choice, and then she just sung Bakewell putting all the way to the shelf. Yeah.

He lived in a pudding. He lived in a pudding. Whenever you, yeah. I was thinking, wow, they make a transaction and they get sangtip. Yeah, to bring the case for the Bakewell putty, the metal tray, the foil tray. We sat on a wall and we ate the bakewell pudding and they were filming us doing it and we just thought, there's no way this is making the idea. They're not putting this in, but we're really happy.

Did they not put it in? No. It's supposed to be a high octane sort of, you know, not too close. Because it's meant in like, Black Ops, you know, something like rugby tackling you and stuff when you're running to a helicopter. You're quite like that, so. It was fun. Yeah. And I loved that bakewell pudding. I had, I loved that you've chosen the Toffee Pie. Yes, it's great. That for me is very exciting, because yeah, something that I've forgotten about that I absolutely loved.

And I'm a big dessert boy. So, yeah, me too. I love a dessert. I have had two two stars and two two two desserts and just miss out the, yeah, I'll have a good. That's a good thing to do. See, I'm happy with that too, because I'm a starter boy. Freaks people out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they think you're really weird and different. An interesting. On a vegan menu back to you now. See how you feel about it? All right. You would like, still water, stuck from the hillside. You want to stuck from the hillside. Popcorn on the subredge, you want a crusty French bread and butter and salt on a plane

with the tray down, flown by Dave. Start, you want the shrimp cocktail from the seafood shack in maybe with Don De Beats, we didn't have to forget it out. Main, Nassie Gouin with Chicken Satay, made by the 200 year old woman who you're... I think that comes with Chicken Satay as part of the of the Dishiruni. Yeah, as part of the Dishiruni. Outside the issue with like the chip buddy with HP source ketchup vinegar and salt from the chip shop that's now shut. Yeah or any one will do. Friends parents chip shop.

Yeah, well, I was fondant. Oh, I was fondant. Fondant chip shop. Drink and earn alcohol for your dinger, which you want on the way to the seafood shack while you're driving an electric bike. Does the toffee pie from school dinners serve by the diner lady with a mile in her face?

Yeah. How does that feel? It feels excellent. It feels like I could just put my feet up now and watch and Teeke's row show. Oh yeah. Is that the perfect post-meal show to watch? I think so. What's your favourite part of Antique's row show? When they get loads of money for it, when they get told it's worthless. When they get loads.

Yeah. My least favourite is good, better, best. Yeah. Not for you. The ego trip that. No, man, yeah, that's a nice bit of telly. I like gentle TV. Going back to coffee and TV, that's what you're watching. Gentle TV. Yeah, instead of, yeah, gentle television. Yeah, instead of, yeah. Gentle television. I was sort of, one of that age. Yeah.

I'm 54, I like gentle television. Graeme, thank you very much for coming to the Dream Restaurant. Pleasure. Thank you, Graeme. It was very nice. Well, there we are, James. That was fun. I loved it so much.

Yeah. And I think that this look probably here. How much I was loving it. Yes. Great menu as James. That was fun. I loved it so much. Yeah. I think that this is a good probably here. How much I was loving it? Yes. Great menu as well. Really good menu. I really like Graham.

Yeah. He had a real silly glint in his eye. He's cheeky. He's a cheeky guy. He's a cheeky little boy. Yes. And also, as with a lot of cheeky boys, very comfortable with a little silence.

Oh, yeah, love it. I love that. I hope it's in the edit, but where James mentions the cadence of Graeme's voice, where he will get to the end of a sentence, but it sounds like he's halfway through, and then he'll really revel in the bit where we think he's gonna carry on talking.

Yeah, it will look at us. Yeah, like, gotcha. Yeah. What are you gonna do about that? A lot of fun. And I can always tell it's a good many because my stomach starts going absolutely wild. And it was the chip buddy that did it for me today. I really want a chip buddy now. It was the chip buddy with ketchup, HP source, and vinegar, yeah, just brilliant. Yeah, and better. There's everything on it. Although, you know, now,

every time I eat a chip buddy, I'm going to be opening it up and checking that there's no moles on the chips. Yeah. Because that's got in my head now. Yes. I don't know. accidently eat one without knowing. And he didn't say bogey-laid, although we came perilously close. Yeah. And, uh, hey, oh, we should tell more guests what the secret ingredient is once we know that they've, um, certainly, they come close. Yeah. Because, uh, it's quite fun to, yeah, know if they would have gone through on it, but it was never. We've seen everything. I've never risked.

Also didn't even mean that in the song. No, it didn't even mean that in the song meant something disgusting and go. Yes. The ballad. You didn't like it when I said Bums and Dicks. You're ashamed of me because you were talking to one of your favorites. You're really ashamed of me for saying was coffee and TV about Bums and Dicks, but Graham enjoyed it. Well, I liked about whatever we did say something like that. There's a bit of a rude impure.

Yeah. Is that Graham would really enjoy it, but it would be on a delay. Yes. So he would hear Bums and Dicks completely receive it with a straight face, and then for it's like a slight, it would go, Bums and Dicks. I really love that. And he did it with Pissed by Pants as well. Well said, then I'll piss by Pants. There's just no response of, oh, I've learned the time. I had told a very personal story and now I've ruined it. And then he went, Pissed your pants. Really loved it. The ballad of DARREN is out now. Yes. I'm sorry. The wave, which is Graham's

other band with Rose and the Nordougal, his partner, they have a new album out, which is just called The White. The White, self-titled. And you should all check that out as well. Absolutely. You know, not only did Blur polverise our racist in the battle, but also. I don't think Graham was. I like that you, that question felt like you were interviewing him in the 90s.

Yes, but he gave a very 20, 23 answer of, I don't think we did. Yeah, he's all a bit silly. He's matured now. Yes, but they pulverized them and not only did they pulverize them, they've also pulverized them with the side projects and solo projects in my opinion. Yes. So, you know, get that album by the wave. Yes, and get Harriet's album. Yeah. I think they've had enough plug in this episode. Yeah. They're going to be really weirded out by that. Yeah. And made the all creatures great in small books, if you like Christian vets as well. Also,

by Partigate to Purgatory, by TEMPS, all the music listeners who are listening. If we're going to all the music listeners, if we're're gonna promote bands and albums. Yeah. I would like to promote that album. Also pre-ordered my book, Glatton, The Multicorce Life of a Very Greedy Boy. I mentioned music, innit? What more do you want? Thank you very much for listening.

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