Off-Nominal - 136 - A Little Bit Better Than Arianespace

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

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TLS is Go for main engine, start. Go at Brattle Home Eco. Welcome to space. Hello, everybody. It's our favorite day of the year, Jake. It's here. This is the best. This is the best day.

Number one, it's the off-nominees day. Number two, you said, hey, we should invite Joe on the show. And I said, I'm pretty sure he's already done the off-nominees. But it turns out every time you hear Joey, we just end up talking about shit that goes crazily wrong in space. It's my favorite thing. It's your vibe. It's my favorite thing. It's your vibe.

It's Joe Energy. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I think you were, at least in our defense, you were here for the birth of at least a couple off nominees. Like the year that the Asthma Power Slide was nominated, I think you were on that show. At the same time, Virgin Galactic had stuff going weird. So we just tends to be a thing.

So I feel like it is, we're finally writing a wrong that you are here to officially award these very esteemed awards. I'm honored. Thank you very much. Very esteemed. Extremely esteemed. I mean, when... The esteem-ish ones. I'm saying is when you go and you look, right, we've got...

I updated the website. Everyone's giving me shit a week or two ago that the website was not updated for a full calendar year, but I have updated this. So you can scroll back and see all the years. Maybe we'll breeze through these when we get to the awards. But I think after, you know, decades from now, people are going to be able to go and look at all the stuff that went wrong that was totally forgotten about. And I think we're really contributing something to space

history. Yeah, this is a very important part of the record. Nobody tracks this stuff. Jonathan McDowell's not tracking this stuff, you know? So somebody's got to do it. This is important. This is the stuff that I care about each year. It's the stuff that goes like horribly wrong in a weird thing. Again, we have to just prep it. It's not horrible, right? It's it's, uh, what was last year our turn of phrase, Jake? It has to have the spirit of whimsy. That's exactly right. What about cursed? Does cursed work?

It kind of works, yeah. It has to be comedic though, right? Not every launch failure rises to the level of an off nominee. If you just have a typical launch failure, whatever, it's fine. But sometimes you install cables backwards and it's hilarious. And sometimes your upper stage gets locked into your payload farings and then Kool-Aid man's out of the payload faring. And that's absolutely hilarious. So it has to have that extra kicker.

you know I forgot about that yeah see this is why the off nominees is important because you forgot about yeah that was only a year ago

that's very important all right what did we it's very early but for Joey at least it's earlier here too did you bring something fun to drink

me? yeah I did I did I have a non-boozy option here I have the classic Mexican Coke. I get these.

It's the stupidest thing. I order these with Chipotle every time I order Chipotle. But then for whatever reason, it comes to my house, and I never drink them. I just save them up for like special occasions. But this is a special occasion. I mean, this is the most momentous award ceremony of the year. So I think it's appropriate. I love the margin that you're paying on Mexican Coke.

It's crazy. It's unsustainable. Like you plan ahead, but only so much. You know, one at a time. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's my drink. Love it.

Jake, we're coming through the time zones, what you got cooking out there. All right. So I knew you were bringing a Christmas brew, so I had to step it up as well. So I got the local crappery here, this patito's Navidena, Imperial Stout, 8.5%. And it's a doozy. So, yeah, they're really good. It's very stouty. It's very like kind of sweet kind of chocolatey, you know.

So, delicious. I'm going to put in a nice little jar of here. After a year of what I can assume is like pandemic derived supply chain disruptions, we're back. We got the mad elf from drugs. There's that crazy elf. It is 11% worth of beer, which is what you need to drink when you're doing off nominees. And also, as I mentioned to Jake, this is a problematic time for this. This is very early in the day, and I'm going right into a family wedding weekend after this.

So, it's a great start. We're going to really be kicking it off right with two of these on my desk. That's how it goes. All right, before we do the off nominees themselves, I think we should settle a couple other things. We should maybe take last year we made predictions at the beginning of the year with Lauren Grush. I thought maybe we could cruise through this and see ones that we got right. ones that was hilarious we ever bet on. And then I think we have an argument that you have to settle for us, Joe.

Okay, yeah. I think if you're a game to be the judge of this. I'll happily be involved in any type of argument drama. All right. I'm just going to roll down this list and then I'm going to read it out and you can award points if you want, Joe, for whatever criteria fits your needs and we'll just keep score. Should I be taking notes? Maybe I should keep score somewhere

Let me grab a paper Okay All right I've got some notes open too If you don't want to do it I mean I want you to be reckless When you're awarding points If we get a point

Because we're so bad That's cool if we got it right And you want to give us bonus points That's good too All right I don't know any other way So we had The launch vehicle predictions Jake

We bet on ABL I was the only one Taking a stand on that And I'd say they have their first Launch success in 2023 I don't even think they launched So keeping that a zero Relativity

I bet that they're They would fail after Max Q and you bet before Max Q? So close. So close. So I think I got a point in that one. You got that one. Okay, so one point. Yeah.

The most wrong was Lauren Grush, who said that they would have a success in 2023. And what they did instead was cancel their rocket. So they successfully canceled their rocket. No. Yeah. Rocket Lab. I thought Rocket Lab would get acquired by Lockheed Martin this year. They have not.

No, no, they have not. Isn't Langey like a majority shareholder, though? I think they were a strategic investor. Strategic investor. What does that mean? It means, you know, they pay to a lot of money, but they don't want to tell anyone how much. It means it's like non-committal. It's like seeing someone casually on the weekend.

I mean, I'm going to slide you this money, but I don't want. Is strategic investing like the friends with benefits of investing? Yeah, it really is. It's like, we got a little bit of money now pop. We have no obligation to that business to do anything. Okay. All right, we all bet that Vulcan would fly this year. Just swinging a mess on that one.

Artemis 2 crew announcement. Here we go. Jake bet Jeremy Hansen, the fucking Homer that he is, and got that right. So, now I bet Randy Bresnick, but I had written down Reed Wiseman, who, isn't he on it? Now I've forgotten. Yeah, isn't he the commander, right? Yeah. I had that written down, but I don't know if I get covered.

credit for that you can look at my change log I think you get I think you get credit for that because then you have a thing like you noticed that yeah I'm giving you a point for that nice you're retired from the office like whatever job he had and then you're like that so we can head of the astronaut office yeah yeah that's what you do yeah yeah are you taking are you keeping score because I've grabbed the pen and I haven't written a thing down I'm keeping score okay nice uh the sustaining lunar development award has won Lauren has zero the sustaining lunar development award we all bet blue origin I I bet that they would bid at $4 billion.

Do you remember what they won for? It was less. It was like 3.6 or something. So you had that prediction in the in the in the in the in the in the in the in the question by and the the community voted no it was not close enough to four to count. I'm still mad about this. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think that's a passing grade. That's like a C at best. Okay. Did it give me half a point? Does I get half a point just in case there's a tie break? need? No, there's no half of points. All points only.

Anything else funny in here? Suborbital. We bet on how many blue origin crude flights there would be. Lauren said two, Jake said four, I said six. There were zero. There were zero flights. Well, there was no, I guess, one flight now. One flight. No people.

Yeah. Here's the one we need you to settle, Joey. All the other ones we just were like, clips missions would fly. Nothing good happened there. We had a series of Russian over unders. Okay? Great. We all won

on the how many women go to space from Russia. We all bet under 0.5 and we were correct. So that's good. Oof. Yeah. Tough one. Launch failures we had at 1.5 launch failures. Lauren took the over. Jake took

the under. I took the over. So Jake gets, Jake wins. They had zero launch failures, Joe. Nailed it. Huh. Okay. Wait, so who gets points for that? Jake does. Jake gets a point. Okay. You need to have more... You and Jake are tied, by the way. All right, well, this is the one that will separate us because...

This is the tiebreaker. Yeah, this is it. All right. So, we had a category for ISS failures. We set the over under at two and a half. Jake took the under, I took the over. Okay. Okay. I have three failures written down that I would classify as things we could argue about. On February 11th, Progress Cargo spacecraft suffered a coolant leak like two months after the other one did.

This was the first leak of this calendar year. This was the very visible one, right? Or was that the first one? So you may be confused with the... I think they were all visible to some extent, but... Okay. Don't... Maybe don't think about that too early,

because then in October, Nauka was leaking propellant or coolant from a radiator. This one was flaking. I think we had this on a live stream. So are these, what are we feeling? Failures? Do you count progress as part of the ISS? Like now it goes the problem trial to the ISS,

and I count that as a hard problem. Okay. But I think you, yeah, I think once it is, as long as it's docked with the ISS, it counts as part of it. All right, great. So we're at two. This is a cool.

It's the ISS program. Yeah. All right, this is the one. This is the one that we're coming down to, and this is a spoiler for the off nominees, but I'm going to read out a small snippet of a description of a spacewalk that happened on October 25th. Oleg Konanako and Nikolai Chubb inspected a radiator on the exterior of the Nuuka module

that suffered a coolant leak earlier this month. They reset valves to isolate the coolant in the process, notice a large blob of coolant on the exterior of the module, prompting flight controllers to tell the cosmonauts to keep. or distanced from it to avoid contamination. Editor's note, they got coolant on the tether that was holding them to the space station. While they were attempting to sop up the coolant with a rag. They literally took a rag out on a spacewalk to try to sop up coolant and it got onto their tether.

Okay? Then they installed a radar antenna on Naoka. One of the panels failed to deploy. Then they released a student-built small set intended to test a solar sail. The solar sail did not deploy. Do you think that this spacewalk should be classified as a total failure or what? I think you can lump all of those things together and say it's one failure. Yes.

I think you can. I think that's enough that the snowball has accumulated enough snow that that's a full failure. Yes. So by half a failure, I win on that one. Yeah. Okay. So you get four, Jake, it's three. I think Lauren is still at zero

I didn't have a great year she took the over on that as well so okay Lauren got her at telling us about the thing oh so she gets one not that she gets one on that yeah yeah she took one on that yeah all right

that's what we got oh we did have would Luna 25 be found this feels unanswerable though Jake said oh actually let me read out our responses Jake said Luna 25 will not be found Mark who is Mark on this show that was with us which mark mark panning mark panning was answering this he said yes it will be found I said we'll find something well I mean didn't we see the

impact crater we saw an impact crater do we not do we know that this is not wait is it is it unclear if that's Luna 25 yes because you know these like trackers that are on Twitter that track like satellite communications and stuff Scott Tilly was on Miko talking about this. There was never a detectable radio signal from Luna 25 beyond Earth orbit. Something made it to Earth orbit, and they never heard from it again. And so the theory was like there was either a failure in low Earth orbit or they just flew an upper stage to the moon and crashed it to make it look like they were doing Luna 25. There's still some conspiracies around this.

Oh, that's way more sad than like failing on the way. Yeah, no, something hit the moon that was in the track of Luna 25, but it never talked to Earth. But they wouldn't have like separated Luna 25 and then sent the second stage. Would they really do that? So you're not following. The theory was there was no Luna 25. There was just a launch with an upper stage meant to be Luna 25. I don't think.

That's a little too smoke and mirrors for me. two smoke of mirrors for the country actively invading another country and wanting any PR win in the world. Yeah, to be very cool, to be very clear, that is a very uncool thing for them to be doing. But that feels, that feels too much. Yeah. Listen, I'm just a big Scott Tilley's fan, uh, Stan and fan. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it goes. All right. And just to solidify my win, we bet that on Starship flight number two, all 33 engines are light. Jake said no. I said, yes. Yeah, you got that one. And that's a resounding win.

That's crazy to me still. Nailed it. Yeah, how are you feeling about Starship like a little bit in the afterglow here? Me? Yeah, like with your take. I'm very impressed that like all 33 engines stayed. A very cool explosion of the booster.

Loves that. I mean like bummer, but also like come on, it's fun to see it blow up. I don't know if it makes it on the next one. I feel like there are still gremlins hiding. And I don't have like insider info or anything. I just think that like it's such a complicated system. Like I feel like I keep forgetting.

I would love if you did though. Wait, hold on. No, I love if there were like autism's pressurization. Blowing to you that like, listen, man, you still didn't solve the pressurization. No, it's still like it's, uh, there are so many little gremlins that have to be like hiding in the shadows.

And this is not a knock against like any engineers. It's just like, it's such a complicated system that I feel like there are still some things that like will show up unexpectedly. Not that like they failed to solve something. It's just that like, oh, we didn't know that like actually at this time there's this resonant frequency and like this thing happens. That's a solid take. I think they make orbit this year or coming year though. Are we taking bets? Do you want to do that at the end of the show? You can you can throw some in. We're going to do that in a couple weeks. We've been pretty casual with them. We just sort of like randomly collect

of them now and throw them vacuum as they happen on the show. I just endorsed like eight different things in your server about me and ARCA. They were like eight different. Did you see that? Yeah. Everyone's bent heavily on you and not on ARCA. There's a lot of predictions of Joey versus ARCA.

It's really funny. You have a lot of expectations for our listeners. I mean, it's not hard to beat ARCA. Well, you know, not hard to beat ARCA. There's a quote. All right. So should we get into this? Should we do this? Yeah, yeah. I just was putting Joey down for the 2024 document. So all right, all right. All right. So what do we got this year, Anthony? We have collected all of the stuff that we could think of through all the news for the whole year, all the all the Miko headlines, all the Discord news posts, all the fun headlines. Everything we could collect and we have a bit of a list here. We're going to go through. Now, normally we try and come up with categories.

So, you remember last year we had SLS and not SLS. Those were the two categories of nominees. What was the year before that? There was like Russia. No, this year before was a ton. There were best rocket stunt flight, best performance. Oh, okay. Best Jeff Bezos cringe moment.

Best Russia, planetary science were our categories. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, we had a serious round of categories. And I remember Matt Russell was with us, and we had to vote on a winner of each of these categories, and then they all faced off in a final round to end up with Nauka, the winner. And now was just too much bureaucracy for us. So I just want to shout out, before we read off this year,

is that the Russians are doing so good in the off nominees, okay? 2020 winner, Oleg Ortemiov threw a CubeSat into an ISS Solar array. Absolutely hilarious. Okay. got to the ISS, almost didn't make it, made it, flipped the ISS. A serious, yeah. Yeah, it was great. 2020, the Florida boaters were out for the DM2 recovery.

Just an absolute moment right there. 2019, was this Northrop Grumman at this time? An observation? An observation from the Omega rocket, where it blew up entirely. And 2018, the first ever off nominee, Oleg Konanenko, stabbed a Soyuz several times to find out who drilled that hole in Soyuz, and they never found out. Never found out. I thought it was pretty clear that it was Cisarina.

Yeah. And young Jets alone. So yeah, this year, Jake, would you like to introduce our categories? Yeah, yeah. So we're taking a page from last year, except we didn't have an SLS launch this year. And so this year's categories are Starship and not Starship. because that's really where it came down to. The Starship stuff gave us so much material for Off Nominal this year

that they got their own category and then everything else gets slumped into its own group. So Joe, which category do you think we should do first? Do you want to do the Starship stuff first or do you want to save that for last? No, let's get it out of the way. Let's do Starship. Let's do it.

So notably... All right. I mean, there's plenty to do, yeah. Yeah, there's four from the first launch, individual failures that we specify. as individual nominees. So I think it's, you know, IFT1, there was a lot going on, and I think it's unfair to lump it all together because they were so spectacular in each of their own rights. So walk us through this, Jake. Give us, give us this timeline here.

All right. Well, so the first one very obviously has to be the concrete shower, concrete beach shower that IFT1 delivered, which was just plain, like, just funny from the like the launch video. itself because you can like very clearly see like large pieces of concrete and rebar just flying through the air so like yeah what a what a mess that was I can't believe this happened I still think about this I'm like wow that's the thing that happened we just like showered Boca beach or what do you call it South Padre Island with concrete chunks okay and not to interrupt but it wasn't just the chunks too it was like particulate in the air for like I think a few miles, right?

Like, there were debris all over the place. Yeah. We had Phil Metzger on the show who talked about doing a study where he asked people to mail him particulate they collected from the launch. So, yeah, it turned into actual science on this launch. But yeah, the launch pad getting its own mega failure. And don't we have to, don't we have to like do a little bit of a tribute to the NSF van that paid the price, the ultimate price for that launch beer.

Yes. I don't know if we can find a picture of that, but yeah, the poor NASA Space Flight news van that got direct hit. It's such a movie video. A concrete that may have weighed more than the van. It was a giant piece of concrete. So that one's got to be like an honorable mention as part of a,

oh, geez, look at that. There's the van. Yes. That is the man right there. The video is so great too because you can see the fan like at the limits of its suspension just wobbling about after. I don't think I've seen a video. You've seen the video.

Oh, it's. All right. All right. It's worth bringing up. It's it's worth. Here we go. Yeah. I think I've got it.

Don't move on yet, Jake. Here's a here's an animated gift of it from the drive. dot com boom oh wow you never saw this you definitely saw this I have not seen this no no this is new for me oh man yeah it came at a

on a very oblique angle I did not expect that I was kind of imagining a top down like it just oh like a cartoon this was this was not dropping a bomb this was firing a gun yeah this is more of a I mean this is a great that clip is a great example of just how much chaos that was too, because it's concrete everywhere.

It really isn't put out. There's more stuff happening behind the scenes there. Yeah, look at all right. Cool. So yeah, concrete shower. That's our first nominee. Proceeding through the launch count, of course, we also have the performance of Raptor on IFT1 was definitely something that deserves enough nominee for, when did we end up getting?

It was like eight that failed? What was the final count? Who's got the gift from the or the picture from the launch? I got the launch stream up still. We'll just let it play out and we'll see where it gets down to. Isn't it like someone had to program that. Someone had to make that little animation and hook it up to engine telemetry, like 33 different engine telemetries and have it live.

Did they, I don't get that. Someone explained that to me. Who thought that was worth SpaceX's time to like make sure the telemetry shows? Oh, I think it is. Wait, yeah, yeah. Come on, Jake. Worth the time, yes, they had time. They were waiting for the paperwork, Jake.

That's fair. Okay? They had all this time. They were sitting around. The paperwork wasn't coming in. What are they going to do? Overengineer some shit. It's still funny.

You're forgetting that the FAA delayed the ship by at least a year and a half and that SpaceX was ready to go at least a year and a half before. Right. I always forget that. Thank you for reminding me. But the webcast was not. The webcast was lagging. And thankfully they had that time to catch up.

That was the longest poll of all the technical items on Starship was the telemetry to the webcam. Yeah, we're going to scrub for the day while they keep working on some launch. You know what happened? They had it all ready to go, and then OBS kept crashing. So good. All right, so beyond the Raptors, then, we got to the next part of the launch failure that was hilarious in hindsight.

They tried to blow this rocket up way before it blew. up. It's like, like, what was it? A minute? How long was the... It was 40 seconds, I think. 40 seconds. That's what I heard. Yeah, 45 seconds, maybe, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, after you had one job, you had one job. There it goes flipping. This is the best part. It goes flipping. And we're all like, ah. And the best part was, I think the flip wasn't even, I think this wasn't even, was this initiating the, flip do we know because I know the hydraulic power unit failed and I think it was just a loss of TVC I don't think it was actually trying to do the flip 100% and I and then what's his name

now I'm forgetting a whole internet's gonna hate me announcer guy uh give me a hint oh um uh John and there you go because then he started going into the like we're doing the flip for separation but no it was just flipping because there was no control anymore car wheel yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so flip maneuver is the fourth, the fourth gift that IFT1 gave to our show today. So Concrete Shower, Raptor fail, FTS fail, and sick flip maneuver is our four, our four, IFT1.

Of the I FD1 subcategory, I think I like the flip best, specifically because of Joey's question, that we're all like, is it doing, is it doing the thing that we thought it should do, or is this just happening, you know? that moment of uncertainty, I think, is hilarious. I thought for a long time, I think I tweeted this too. I thought for a long time they were just like, well, it's over the ocean. We'll just let it keep going.

But no, they, like, I didn't realize that they had not, that they had tried to terminate it way earlier. So you're FTS stand on IFT1. No, I'm not. I am a, I am a, oh, wait, no, yes. Sorry, I am the FTS stand. I think that's my vote, is that they hit the FTS. and it didn't work.

I like to imagine someone and it was like, it was still like pushing fire out one way or another. Like it kept burning. It didn't shut the engines off. Like you would think with a hydraulic failure, I don't know how much you guys know about valves, but you have like a valve that's like normally open or normally closed, right?

And so they're all high, they're all pneumatics. So you have like an air pressurization system. And if you lose hydraulic power, I imagine you lose pneumatics. So like your valves in a good design, should fail closed so that when they lose power they shut off

and somehow for 40 seconds the stink like still has its engines running I know a lot about valves I know more about valves now than you did before you started that sentence yeah I know they always break yeah they do I get this is a very robust system it failed open they just kept going

it failed operational okay yeah yeah it's a partial failure only done the abort to Orrashire orbit failure mode. Abort to flip. All right, so we have all those from IFT1. Continuing on the Starship category,

it went great on the second flight, right? The whole thing went great. As Jake said, this is the only rocket to have blown up two times independently in flight. And I think that deserves some recognition. You are correct for that being the case,

that there were two spectacular explosions that were not linked either physically or in time. They were distinct events and both spectacular. Can I be super pedantic about this? Yes, please. I think I don't know if that's true. If you do the whole, it's not an explosion thing, I'm going to be so mad.

No, I don't know if that's true because if an Atlas 5 flies and it doesn't come back, or I mean any rocket that's not like a come back to land thing, The first stage is probably blowing up on reentry, right? Almost every time, right? Maybe not. Yeah. I'm going to credit that to melting.

All right. We get a thumbs down. I'm voted off the aisle. It was a good try. I like a good pediatric. Yeah, all right. Well, do you have another thing that you would nominate from this flight? Um, I don't think so.

It went great. Did you guys see the gif of the, uh, or the, the video of the top of the ship coming in, like flipping around from, it was like Cuba or Puerto Rico or something like that? That was great. Yeah. Yes. That was very funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Jake that took that clip, actually. The double explosion is pretty great, though. I think I can vote for that. Especially that first explosion is just got to be one of the biggest explosions that has ever happened in flight. Because, like, all the clips, this one is the highlight reel or whatever, but there's, there's clips that are tracking it

and then they zoom out to show the full extent of that explosion and it is just half the sky. It is enormous. It's way better in the upper atmosphere, right? It goes super far when you're up there. Forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. All right, the Starship category would not be complete, Jake, if we did not include

what is maybe the most what word would you use to describe this one? This is like a microcosm of everything about the Starship program. I was going to go 2023, but yeah, if you want to just keep it to Starship, that's cool with me.

Yeah, maybe a microcosm of Twitter, too. We could go out to that if you wanted to. Let's quiz Joe, see if you can get there on this one. So when you have, as a launch provider yourself, if you were to have an anomaly, a mishap investigation would kick off from the FAA. Say your rockets, you know, when you're getting in the, we're going to talk about it later, I'm sure,

when you're trying to beat this Carmen line situation, you might have a mishap, and you might be responsible for investigating it, because that's how the FAA works. I would say it's even likely, yes. So how many things do you think would go wrong in a failure that you might have with your rockets? What would your corrective action list be?

Three or four. Three or four items? Yeah. Three or four before, like, there's enough failures that, like, you can't have a cascade long enough, you know? Because my stuff is not that complicated, comparatively. It's not like 63 long, hypothetically. Like if I, you know, if I fly a rocket and a fin comes off,

like nothing else can really fail apart from like the fin comes off and then everything just stops. So if you were somebody who maybe had a big rocket that had 63 things go wrong and let the mishap investigation yourself, would you tweet directly at the FAA asking what are the 63 items that we have identified as failure points? Crazy. insane behavior, genuinely insane behavior.

This is one of the best Elon Musk tweets of all time. What are the 63 items? Like, yeah, I don't know if I've got to say about this, honestly. Man, he do be posting. I just like to imagine the internal SpaceX activity after this one, when they look at each other, like he was copied on the email. Like we had,

there's got to be a bunch of people who, who have tweet notifications on only for him. Not because they're like excited about what he's tweeting, but it's like damage control. Yeah. Like he tweets something and people are like, wait a minute. I think we know some of them personally.

Like at least as many people as we're looking at here that we know personally with that job. It's definitely like someone who's Quinn has tasked with that. It's not, he did not put this person up to the job. He was like, listen, I need you to do a little thing on the side. I'm going to throw a little extra money in your paycheck every week. But I just need you to just turn on notifications on your phone.

And then just let me know if anything weird happens. Yeah. And then when you have like, do not disturb on your phone, if he's tweeting at the FAA, if they're like both in it, it's like it passes all the do not disturb. It gives you the Amber Alert notification.

That's like, my gosh. Yeah, it's like when they call, when someone calls you twice and then makes it an emergency. Right. I love to. A sub thing that I love about this is that the FAA's Twitter handle is FAA News.

Like this was a, this is whatever, at whatever news is the dashonline.net of Twitter handles. Do you know what I'm saying by this? Like in the old days, everyone would get their website and they would buy the domain, whatever their thing was dashonline.net. I have Anthony dashonline.comnet because I find that structure so hilarious. And I think everybody should maintain these. And this is the blank news of Twitter handles. Like that is, that's what this situation is.

Yeah. Yeah. But they have a little plain emoji in their name, so it's cute. What are the 63 items? What are the 63 items? It's still funny. It's still funny. Clearly they use the annotate ad signature feature on preview to send that into the FAA.

Well, and then didn't he publish them? He like published the Excel spreadsheet or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For what it's worth was, you know, was the most like sanitized version of it. So it doesn't even tell you anything. It just says, this failed. And the fix was that we fixed it. So good.

Yeah, yeah. There's like that movie. I think it was knocked up where they have. It's Kristen Wieg who's talking to the model. And she's like, we can't tell you to be thinner. So I'm just going to tell you, just like, think of a weight that's less than yours and then be that way. It's a light touch regulation.

Yeah, yeah. All right, well, that's the starship category. So if we were to, we have to pick a winner of this category. We're going to have a little bit of a fight, I think. All right, all right. Are you still on FTS, Joe? Would you feel like any of these other ones beat out FTS? You know, a part of me loves getting messy with it, and I love the drama.

So a part of me almost wants to say, what are the 63 items? is that so funny I think I might still be the the FTS fail on IFT1 I think that's my vote Jake I think I can lobby Joe off that okay let me

lobby for the double explosion because I think it's linked with the FTS fail here's why that first stage explosion on IFT2 was fucking enormous like they way over did it on the FTS. They did way too much. And I don't think they would have done that if not for the failure on the

first one. Yeah. So it makes it much more spectacular. Yeah. They feel like they're they're part of the same. Jake's going to pick the fan now because he's never seen the video until now. So I am leaning towards the concrete shower. But I kind of also also am a messy bitch that loves drama and the 63 items is kind of calling to me. I would support it. I kind of wonder if we're all sort of just like, if three second places equals the first place here. That's what I'm wondering. This is the rank choice voting with the all nominees.

Well, I think it depends. How much of a purist do you want to be about it? Like, does it have to be about the rocket? Because like, this is kind of about the rocket and it's more just like beef on Twitter. But it is really, I feel like it encapsulates 2023 for us really well. Yes, it does. So when we look back, right, when we are 10 years on and we look back, we're like, oh my God, that was number one, it was called Twitter then.

Number two, this is hilarious. Number three, it was about the failure. I feel like we should probably pick that as a category. Did anyone respond to it as a follow up? Does it know what? The FAA didn't respond to it to him. They just left him on red. They left him on red.

Don't get into the replies. You know what? I think I'm going to be true to myself. I'm going to own who I am, and I'm going to say, what are the six to three items is my new vote. I'm in. I've been convinced. Second.

I've been convinced. All right. Yeah. All right. That's the category winner. On to the next category, the non-SLS category. Jake, you read this out because I got a lot of, a lot of links to open up for this thing. All right.

Well, we're going to start with a low-stakes one. I did not see this even news event happening. Like, it just kind of feel like it came out of nowhere. but they were working to take down a Saturn 1B rocket somewhere in Alabama. And I'm not clear if this was supposed to happen, but it... I think it was like a welcome center as well. It was like not like a... Yeah.

Boom. And they dropped it. So priceless artifact was dropped. But then there was like a bunch of drama about it about whether, you know, because it was in fairness, it was outside in Alabama for 50 years. So it's probably not in the best thing. I've driven by that thing. It's in the, it's in the, what do they call it?

It's not like, it's in, it's in like inside the Huntsville test range, whatever they call it, facilities or whatever. It was not looking good. Like no part of that looked like it could do well in a museum. It was described as a rest stop in this article that I'm looking at. Do you feel like it would have fit the category of a rest stop? That's the most Alabama thing. There's a rest stop with a Saturn rocket at it.

Maybe I'm missing. Maybe it's a different place. Let me look this up. I know there's a Saturn 5. This was the 1B, right? This is... Right. Yeah.

I'm trying to collect space, but my internet is not loading it at the moment. Yeah, I don't remember. This one's tough for me. because like, you know, I don't know. I feel like everyone got real worked up about this. I'm like, you weren't mad yesterday when it was outside. They did call it a rest up. It is a rest up.

You know what? This is not the one I was thinking of. I think this was some weird, like, yeah, I don't know where this was. This makes it better, though. That makes it way better that it was at like anonymous restop. There's another one of these, though. There's like two or three more of these in, in and around Huntsville.

So I'm not that sad about this one. I mean, it is sad, but like, I don't know. I love it. I mean, this rocket was only just like nine Jupiter rockets taped together with cardboard and twine. Whatever. Nine Jupiter rockets in a trench coat. I love randomly, like, gatekeeping the Saturn 1B is not that good of a rocket. It's very curble as far as rockets go.

Like, they have so many fins on the bottom. Chill with the fins. Also, the milk stool that had to, like, to get up to the LC-39 level. That's... Yeah. It had a booster seat. It's the only rocket with a full-on booster seat. This thing isn't even that close to Huntsville.

I'm looking at it more on a map. I don't know. I think maybe it was his time to rest. I love that word just out of your dunking on the 1B. Yeah, get fucked. We all hate the Saturn 1B. I love it. Look at this thing, though.

This was ridiculous. This was a ridiculous moment in LC39 history. You know what this rocket reminds me of Anthony? Our next off nominee. Let's keep it in the dumb rocket department, Jake. Hit me with this one. You just got to put the picture on the screen. It'll explain itself.

This is insane. This is the Indian launch vehicle that tested the Gaganian crew capsule abort system. So it is comically out of proportion. I don't know what's going on here. Just incredible. No arrow skirt on this, right? Because you could, this is where you can take this one. Is that when Orion had it, like,

they had their stumpy little abort motor too. But Orion, they put an aeroskirt around the whole thing. Do you remember this? Why am I so out of focus today? What's going on with me? Are you talking about Starliner? What do you talk about? No. No, he's talking about the Ascent Abort test, right?

Yeah, Ascent Abort? Well, that one, they didn't put an aeroskirt around the motor. The motor was just the same diameter, I think. No, it was a little thing in there. It had a whole thing around it, yeah, because the engine was smaller. Yeah. Wow. I didn't. I didn't. that together.

With the photogram, photogram. Tracking stuff. Yeah. Science. I mean, look at the diameter of the nozzle there. I think that, because that was a peacekeeper in there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?

I never put two and two together on that. That's not the full motor diameter. Yeah. Peacekeeper motor. Let's look at everyone watch Anthony Google stuff. Orion's pretty big, right? So that makes sense that it's not going to. Can be a diameter on this?

Who would make a rock get that squat? It's like that wide and only that tall. What would it do? Who knows? Deachieper diameter, 2.34 meters. What's a Ryan's diameter? That's a lot. Seven?

No. Is it? I'm going to take my off screen while I ever. I just really Google poorly. Welcome back to three people Google Things podcast. Yeah. Very, very commonly happens on this show. Let's see.

It's, uh, what do you got? It is a diameter. 16 feet. 5.03 meters. 5.03 meters. Yeah. All right. Double. Okay.

You're right. Yep. But I mean, back to the picks. Like, this looks a lot more buttoned up. Mm-hmm. Than this. Yeah. Yeah, this one really screams like Bridenstein putting a Ryan on a falcon.

Oh, my God. I mean, it's the first thing you do in Turbo. Is this? Yeah. Right? I love it. We don't have that many thoughts about this, but it's great. No.

It's just fun to look at. It speaks for itself. I mean, they were doing good work, so I do think that's, that hurts it in this department, right? The test went well. Yeah. It's good progress. It hurts its chances as an off nominee because it worked. Right, yeah, yeah.

It went great. If a Finn fell off or if the abort motor didn't work or something, I think way up, way up the rankings. If it was too heavy and it fell over. Fell over and crumpled on the rollout, yeah. And that would be good. All right. All right. Here we are.

We're at a real contender here now. Joe, I don't know if you follow this story. If I'm on the same document that you are, the next one's great. It's a real contender. Can you explain what happened, Jake, to... Okay.

Let's see if I know what happened. But, okay, so Vega is like, there's two vagas, right? You correct me in that. There's like old Vega and New Vega, right? There's like Vega C. It's like Vega 1 and Vega 1.1. though.

All right. Vega, you know, electric boogaloo. And so they're transitioning to new Vega from old Vega and they had one flight left and the rockets,

the tanks for that rocket, that flight were mistakenly, accidentally thrown into a trash bin by a janitor, I think, is what came out at the end of this. I don't know how the investigation sussed out, but that is basically what they figured out what happened

if they were thrown away. They were trashed in a scrapyard. They don't know how that happened. This is also the upper stage that is heavily linked to what the hell do we do about this upper stage because of the war in Ukraine, that like we can't get more of these engines and more of the tanks and there's not a lot of these upper stage.

You can't replace it. They can't just get another tank. Yeah. So for your Vega questions, there was Vega and Vegas C. Vega C is an upgrade that includes like first stage upgrades, bigger solid rocket motors. Those have commonality with Aryan 6. So they're in this transition phase. Like all of European launch at the moment is in this transition.

Like they're all working on a new vehicle and the old one can't fly because of some reason. The reason on this one is somebody threw out the tankage for the one piece of the original Vega that was really critical. So now they have to decide, do we try to, like, use the old bottom of this rocket and put a new top on it? Or do we just go to Vegas C, even though... All the day, guys. Yeah, but... Talk it in. But, but, big butt, Vegas C is, like, still blown up on the test stand and stuff.

Like, they're having all these issues with static files. Have they flown Vegas C yet? Because I thought they flew it, and it failed. Am I making that up? No, I think you're correct. And then... Wait, are you correct? I think so.

The Wikipedia is confusing. I'm trying to read through it now. No, I feel like that. They've had a couple of failures. Vega itself, big history in the off nominees, right? One time, I'm still out of focus. This is annoying me. That's the one where they reverse the TVC cables.

Avio, the same company, Avio, reverse the TVC cables. And it's a thing where in the rockets that I build, every connector that goes somewhere on the rocket is a different type of connector. And every time I do that, I feel like, well, I'm a little better than Arian space, or specifically Avio, because I can't physically connect the wrong things together.

Amazing. Incredible. Yeah, July 13th, 2022. I'm just going to tell you to go on Amazon and buy all the different types of connectors. So yeah, Vegas flew July 22, and then they had a failure in December, 2022. to. And they've been trying to get back up to speed with that first stage, or the second stage was the issue there. So, Vegasia stood down until they fixed that issue. They went to static fire that stage again, still broke. Not great. Yeah. So, anyway. Good one, though. Missing tanks,

thrown out. Big vibes of, you know, when you get like, you, you know, it's like late at night and you like eat some takeout or whatever, and then you throw out the box, but you throw out your fork with it. Like big big vibes of like throwing out your fork kind of thing. That's good. That's really good. We don't have to keep doing this. What's going on? Oh, man.

Okay. Let's keep going here. Yeah, we got a lot. I realized we got a lot left. We got a lot left. We got to do speed round for these last ones here, like two minutes apiece. Okay. So next is Axiom with their spacesuit reveal, which was very weird.

Like it just, it came out very early. And then everyone was like, why is it black? That would be a very poor choice for the moon. And everyone is like, oh, well, that was just a stylistic choice because this isn't actually the suit. And then it was like, well, why are you revealing it then? And there was no real answer for that. So, yeah, this is a definitely some kind of off nominee. I don't really know what kind of is.

You're not playing up the cover enough because this is the funniest part is that they were displaying it. It says a cover layer is currently being used for display purposes only to conceal the suits proprietary design. And then also, we collaborated with a custom designer from Apple TV Plus series for All Mankind to create this custom cover layer using the Axiom Space logo and brand colors. So you did this whole thing to make a cover layer to hide the reveal of the reveal you were revealing. Well, this is a total waste of time. To extend that even further, when was the date on this? What's the date on this press release? Oh, let's see, March 15th, 2020. March 15th, 2020.

So I think they only got the suit contract like that past November, like the first task order to build a suit, which means they haven't really had a lot of time to invent anything. This is underneath that black cover is probably just the NASA XEMU suit. Like there probably isn't a whole lot of proprietary or anything happening after there. That's amazing. We've got to hide this and then. That's a great way, by the way, to hide.

hide that you're stealing somewhere something is hide it but then say we we can't show you because it's proprietary and then it's like well I guess you can't prove that you're just stealing this thing it's good that's a good one mm-hmm it's good one all right what's next here Anthony we actually covered it all in the the bets on the predictions so I don't know if we need to go too deep in these we had coolant leaks on the ISS now I think I we will should go a little bit deeper in the progress one because the progress one happened like three months after the Soyuz leak. And then they said,

actually turns out a micrometeroid hit both of these exact same vehicles in the exact same spot and led to the exact same failure. And everyone went, okay, great. We are comfortable with that decision. Yeah. So that's still unresolved as far as I'm concerned, right? Like, no, we have not had sufficient follow-up on that at this point.

No. No, we never will, Anthony. We never will. I mean, the last few have worked fine, so there's that. That's good. There was the Russian spacewalk that I talked about, which I think is hilarious because of the initial intent of this spacewalk was to take a rag outside the ISS to mop up the coolant that was leaking out of Nauka. That is hilarious.

They already knew was dangerous for the astronauts to get there. Just polish it up a little bit, yeah. But also, why do they have a rag that is ready to go out the airlock and be used in this way. Space rated rag. Space rag. Because they throw their clothes out every week. That's true.

Yeah, it was just like his t-shirt from the night before. Yeah, it was just someone's polo. Someone's NASA polo. It's funny, though. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, it's a great.

For off nominees, that Spacewalk is definitely a contender. Absolutely. All right, we got this one. The cartoonish explosion of Centaur. We debated including this. one we included it because this explosion is hilarious looking like that is a very you know acme T&T looking explosion out of the centaur facility and the kicker was I

don't know if you remember this drama on Twitter Joe that Eric Berger wrote this article yes with the photo that was leaked from security footage from inside Marshall Space Flight Center reporting that ULA asked Blue Origin to delete it off their devices and they said okay but Eric Berger has a picture of it. And then there was some other stuff where Tori Bruno was like, I think he was he saying it didn't happen. I thought that Tori then shared the video and he was like,

like, you know, and I don't actually know what's true here. But to me, this wasn't as big of a deal or as big of a funny thing because Tori stepped in and like shared the video of it. And like that absolves a whole lot of someone being like, look, you want to leak it. I'll just show you what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. It's kind of a badass move.

This tweet was really funny though because it was just like I can't believe that they asked Blue Origin to delete it and Tori just like didn't happen I love the shirt Tori tweet they're just like so curt you know didn't happen yeah no explanation he's like I believe him what was the request what are the 63 items that's the opposite tweet yeah it is yeah all right we had a couple other also rands in here the tomato that got lost that I foyered and then NASA post all the info about, I presume, because I

foyer it. A bunch of geostationary satellites suck and keep falling apart in orbit. Didn't Fiaset just completely shit the bed? Well, there's has enough, but they're problematic because theirs has now enough capacity that they

won't get an insurance payout on it. So that sucks. And the final one we had was the new H3 launch vehicle that Jaxa and Mitzabes flew failed, which in itself is not comedic. It wouldn't have made off nominee if it had just failed, and that was the end of the story.

But they put like a very expensive satellite on board. And then, Soichi Noguchi was lighting them up on Twitter about why did we put this satellite on board, this launch vehicle. And I just, this part is great. I love this. And he's just roasting that. He just retired, like days before this, I think. and so he felt like it was his time to go on and just light up Jaxa for the decision to put a $1 billion satellite on this vehicle.

You know what? Good for him. That's great. Love it. Love it. He's not wrong. I think it's stupid to put a payload on a first launch vehicle. Even for Vulcan. I mean, they've flown a bunch of parts of that, but I don't know. I'm cracking open to 2024 predictions again, Jake. Yeah, but hang on. So for Vulcan at least, like, I obviously have not like seen the launch contract for this, but I am making an assumption that new lander company Astroponic paired up with new Rocket Vulcan and they mutually made a deal to try and save each other a little bit of money, right? Vulcan gets a payload, Asparticle with the cheaper. So there's like some voluntary

part. I don't imagine that the Japanese Space Agency got much of a choice. You're going on H3. Really? That's the first time it's going to fly. You really want to put that? That's what we're doing. Let's go. Yeah. Man, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I bet there's like pretty serious cost savings to doing that. Probably. Yeah. Well, and they're both both betting. They're like, so you're not making it on your first attempt, right? They're both thinking. Well, this is what we call. It doesn't matter that our part blew up because your part shouldn't work anyway. This is a different version of what's called scheduled chicken. Scheduled chicken is, well, I'm not the delay, right? But this is called reliability chicken

where, well, I think my part's going to blow up as long as your part blows up first. Like, maybe my I am you and my lander doesn't work so good. But like, I don't even think your second stage is going to work, so it doesn't matter. And ULA is like, we injected it to the right spot. And then none of your comms worked and you missed the moon. So whatever, we got you there. Yeah, it's great. Match made in heaven.

Let me write down a 2024 prediction, Joe. You're saying it does not make it? Vulcan launch does not make it. it? I think that the lander doesn't make it softly on the moon, which is a really easy prediction to make. It's a first lander. Has that robotic landed things before? No. Oh, right? Just the contract. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the lander doesn't make it, but I think that's not a bold claim. I should make some more specific claims. So I think it, I actually think Falcon works on the first try. think it's a big risk, but I think it works. I think it sends it on the right trajectory,

and something happens along the way, and it doesn't make it to the moon. Or it doesn't, like, land softly. Okay, that's good. I endorse your prediction wholeheartedly. Yes. It collides with whatever Luna 25 was on the way to the moon. It does not make it. Luna 25 is like a hermina trying. Yeah. All right, wait, we got to, we're one minute. We're one it left in this show, Jake. We need to decide who won the all phonies for this year. All right. Who won the non-Starship category? We had needed to decide that first.

We had Staten 1B, Vega, Gangaunion, Axioms reveal. Yeah. It's Vega for me. It's got to be Vega. Yeah. They threw out their tanks. It's so funny. It's so funny and I don't really feel bad. I don't, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't really feel bad about it.

Just because, like, I've seen them screw this vehicle up so many times. I don't know. Maybe that's mean. I just like, that's so funny. Yeah, Vega's got to be it. All right, so Vega, does Vega beat what are the 63 items? I don't think it does that. I forgot that we chose that over everything with Starship.

I kind of don't think it does. Let me unpack the 63 items one a little bit more on why it's funny, because we stuck at the service level of like, Elon was responsible for writing these, right? Because he is the guy that owns the company, so effectively he is responsible for writing these. But also, there were 63 items. That's a long to-do list, you know?

So I feel like, That is the, that gives it a little bit of an edge. I don't know. I'd be comfortable with either winning it, honestly. Yeah, I think I'm voting for Vega over the 63 items. Because like, I'm not surprised that Elon did some dumb shit on Twitter. Like, it's still very funny, but it's not like novel and surprising. But like, I've never heard of anything.

It's not man bites by its dog. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I've never heard of anyone throwing out the. propellant tanks. So I think that's my... You don't even do that. No. You make him out of a hot glue, you know?

No, you know what you do? You put them in a shelf in your garage and you go, don't throw these out. No one touched this. Jake, where are you at on this? Vegaverse 63 items. I'm with a tank to do. It's too funny. They threw a rock in the garbage. It's just too funny. I think that the E-line tweet makes a great runner-up in an off-nominy runner-up history.

Yeah. You're right. You're right. All right. Vega. Congratulations, Avio. Congratulations, Avio. You're the second solid booster to win the off nominees. Oh, yeah. I think the first Europeans, depends where you land on Russia, I guess, for that. I feel like they've probably staunchly taken an anti-Europe position in the last couple years, though, so I feel more comfortable about saying that Avio is the first Europeans to have won the off nominees. Nice. Congratulations.

Congrats. Yeah. What's the infamous version of congratulations? Like the congratulations you don't want to get when you win the worst thing. You ever see that clip of DJ Khaled going congratulations? You've played yourself. That's where it's at. DJ Khaled.

That's it. Joey, what are you up to lately? if people are not falling long, is there anything in particular you want to plug? I'm cooking in a bunch of ways. I got all sorts of stuff in the kitchen. I am in the middle of like three or four really long, technically hard projects.

So it's all stuff that like eventually supports this like Carmen Line space shot thing. One of the things I'm working on right now is I've got I want to have a little bit of steering on the space shot. It helps with recovery. It helps with getting it back. But doing, and the way I want to do it is basically you have little tabs on the edges of the fins that help it steer in the atmosphere.

And that is really hard to do. So the hard part right now is modeling how that all works. So I'm using it's all CFD, computational fluid dynamics. I'm trying to do it without a wind tunnel. but I don't have like a lot of compute powder power like I'm working on my little Dell XPS laptop over here and so every simulation for like one fin at one speed at one air pressure at one like angle of attack and at one fin deflection takes about an hour and a half and I need a lot of them like we need to generate an immense amount of data and so what I'm doing this past

whole month is I've just been babysitting this little laptop like okay run a new one. So that's been a lot of work. I wrapped up a big propellant development program. I'm developing, I developed a solid rocket fuel, like a formula and a way to put it together in the last eight months or something like that. It's called Risky Batman, which is really funny. I think meme names are important.

And the propellant that it's derived from is called Reliant Robin. and so I named it Risky Batman. But yeah, that is a video coming out soon. And then, yeah, the Meat Rocket is finally coming up. I swear to God, I will not do another off-nominal episode until we actually fly this thing because we've talked about it again and again. Yeah. Can we sponsor it?

Can we sponsor it? How much money is it to sponsor it? Ten bucks. I'm in. To put an off-nominal sticker on this side. What's an exclusive sponsorship? $100? $12, $12, $12.

$12. $12. $12. Um, find me lunch. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's finally happening. So, uh, I've got like, you know, basic designs. I'm hoping to fly in like February or March. And, uh, yeah, that's the plan.

It's finally going to happen. Yes. Can we, I'm serious. I want to sponsor it exclusively. I want the whole thing, a NASCAR style, NASCAR style, though, like. Yeah. A dumb look at a guy. We should buy the meat.

Off-nominal will buy the meat. Oh, I'll buy the meat for sure. Yeah. A little pre-classer style. Chasudo. Yes. Yes. Gabagool.

What can we throw in? Yeah. Is that meat? Gabagool? Yeah. Is that a type of meat? Yeah. It said capicola,

unless you live in Philadelphia, and then it's Gabon Gle. Capagool. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, that's what's cooking. That's what I got going on. That's what's cooking. That's what's cooking.

First big sponsorship coming up, Jake. This is great. It's going to be great. I'm serious. I'm going to send you money. sponsorship. Yeah. 1250.

It's getting expensive. It's going up by the second. Jake, we got to enmo this too quick. We have to pay this invoice. Jake, I don't think we heard what it's six minutes over on an off-nominal. What did you got?

You got anything for us? Nothing right now. Do you want to plug the pre-show? Yeah, we should. We should do pre-show. So if you want to support the show, We're back in three weeks, obviously, for the new year with our predictions episode. And before each episode, we're doing this pre-show thing where we kind of do whatever.

There's no plan to the pre-show. It's very often nominal. It's just like we show up and then see where the winds take us. See which garbage can a rocket gets thrown into is really kind of where we let that go. So you just never know what's going to happen on these kind of shows. So what did we, it's all blur now. What do we even do today? We talked about, we went through all the off nominees of the past, right?

We went through and recapped some, some memories. And also found out which car our mom's first car was. That's true. Collectively, collectively. We got Joe's too. Joey texted his mom. We got info on that. We Googled our mom's first cars.

Yeah. That is weird. What a weird. We have a weird job. And you can pay to see that at Discord.com or Offnom.com slash Discord. That's the address. This is 8.5%. 8.5%. We haven't secured Discord.com slash offnobot slash offnob. Yet. But Offnomon.com. That's more expensive than Offnominal.com, which is not a website we own either. That's, yeah, Discord.com slash Offnom is a future sponsorship after the Meat Rocket.

After the Meat Rocket. Yeah. We're getting on this Meat Rocket for Christ's sake. This is the last thing I know. We can happen. Yeah. Let's do it. Joey, you are the greatest human being, and we're honored that you helped us award this. I mean, when we think of the off nominees, we think of Joe Barnard.

Wow, it means a lot. It's a little confusing, but it means a lot. It's confusing until you make it one year. I mean, of all the people we've ever had on the show, you're the most likely to make it on the off nominees. I would be genuinely honored to be an off nominee. If I can have my rocket fail in a really funny and weird way, way, that would be great. It's up to you. You can throw out your tanks. If you throw out your tanks,

it would work. I'm going to build something really, really cool, and I'm just going to put it in the trash. Thank you guys for having me on. I love doing the show. It's been too long. We'll be back in two weeks. We're off for a bit, and then Eric Burger's coming on January 11th, and we're going to continue on this predictions document that you got started for us. So, we're going to hold his feet to the fire. That's that. weeks for now. Well, we're taking two weeks off. We're taking two weeks off, which means the next show is in three weeks.

I said, we're taking two weeks off, and then we will be back with Eric Berger. Eric Berger, by the way, great guy to do the predictions episode with. That's going to be really fun. I'm excited for that one. Yeah. That's called mailing in your homework for the holidays and just letting him do it. All right, everybody. All right, bye, everybody.

See you later. All right. Bye. See you.