Off-Nominal - 235 - Basement of the VAB

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

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You know, Jake, a lot of people remember that why does Rice play Texas question in that famous speech, but they don't remember the follow-up, which is why does preschool have daycare? Or preschool, what am I saying? Why does daycare have spring break?

That's what they say. There we go. A little scrambling. We're coming in late. You know, the amount of times we've been late on this show is now equal to the amount of times SLS has been on time, sort of.

Are we giving them credit? This is interesting. So we were talking about this in the Discord today about, because we were going through, there was obviously a lot of predictions about this launch in our system. So we were going through triggering all these things to reconcile them all. And one of the things we were noticing is that because there was a prediction that came up and said how many times, it was trying to predict how many times Artemis II was going to attempt to launch.

And then it actually made a definition. An attempt is when they start the countdown and then that's an attempt. And this is the first time if that's an issue. This is the first time they went into the count. Nailed it. Who could have guessed, dude? Who could have guessed? Yeah.

It went great, man. It looked good. Well, let's talk about it. What did you bring the drink to celebrate? Uh-oh. Well, I was like, well, you know, let's, I was trying to find a Canadian beer. I'll be honest. I was looking for a Canadian beer.

And they're just, fucking none here. I've not seen one in four years. So I settled for the next best thing, which is another, from the motherland. Oh, yeah. St. Peter's golden ale. Yeah. It's got a fun bottle that's got a different width than it does.

At least keeping the Commonwealth, I guess. Is that we're saying? I don't know what St. Pete's are talking about. The Russian one, the Florida one. Look, man, we're all the king subjects. Okay. Man. So, yeah.

I've got, on that note, I've got a, the skipper in honor of Reed Wiseman commanding what has to be one of the most likable crews of all time. Like top notch, dude. They're just so fun. So fun to watch. It's really fun to be in the middle of this mission because like a lot of the times, all of the time besides this mission, we're just like such downers on this program.

Yeah. And then the people go up there and we're just like, ah. And for like for 10 days we're going to be the most happy, positive people are going to say so many nice things about Artemis and Jared Isaacmen and NASA. and like, oh, we wouldn't have imagined it any other way. I mean, isn't that our point all along, though?

If they did this, if they executed like this all the time, we would be like... No one would be complaining. All the criticisms would still be the same, right? There's a lot of people on Twitter right now that mix this up. All the criticisms would be the same, but it would feel different. It would feel like you're criticizing a thing in motion, which is totally different than what we have been talking about for two decades. So a real change in the guard moment, which I should...

I didn't want to do this on air, Jake, live. but we've been, it's a whole new era in spaceflight. I've been doing this almost 10 years on the podcast front. I've been doing a lot of TV hits. So I've decided that I'm retiring from podcasting. This will be my last show. I'm just fucking with you. We never done April Fool's joke.

No, that's not April Fool anymore. You can't get us out of that independent podcaster section. Hell now. You can't get us out of there. I mean, the page is too good. Let's be honest. Yeah, benefits. The travel budget, clearly allowing me to travel to Florida

during spring break. The flights were $1,050 to get to Florida to Orlando. That's almost how much it would have cost me to go there. Dude. I mean, and that's even before you talk about hotels. But I would have been, I was solo dadding all week. So I would have been schlepping two boys that need seats. And I was, as we just discussed, I was not confident that this will go on the first attempt. So I was not confident that it was worth $5,000 to $6,000 of my money during a home renovation to fly to Florida and back. So I apologize. I almost broke. I almost broke. Did you?

I looked at flights, but. Yeah, you got to look at it. Well, so it was like, and they were high. And then I was like, I got to break my embargo, which is like personal. You got it. Okay, here's the deal. Here's the deal. We have to move heaven and earth to go to Starship if it's before the ideal.

I'm not kidding. Like, I'll live there for a month. Yeah. Yeah. But the confidence is what got me. I was like, I'm going to do all. I'm going to break the embargo and spend all those money. and then I'm going to spend another goddamn eight days

at an Airbnb in Port Canal. You wouldn't have an Airbnb at that point. You would have had a room, by it, if you looked at Airbnb, if you made it that far. It was not like the last one was cheap, so. No. Yeah. Should we just have the stream up the whole time, by the way?

I don't know what we should do. We just put it up. Should we stream it? I have the live views from Ryan. Is it the, hold on, is it actual live views from Orion right now, or is it the blue screen of? Which one have you been watching?

The live views one has. like it goes in and out. It's like sometimes it just shows like, you know, the spacecrafts. I've been watching live mission coverage. Is that different? I think so. I think so. Maybe that one's better.

We'll find out. I'm not happy with how they're like spread out. Hey, just to make it clear in the open here, we are go for TLI after the MMT concluded their deliberations a few minutes ago. And we're going to proceed down that pass and get ready for the burn here. We're going to the moon, baby. Go on the moon. Let's do it.

Yeah, yikes. Do you know what the hell engine they're about to use? We love those words. Isn't it just the main one, right? Yeah. But is that, I don't know, I get thrown off because that is an OMS thruster, right? But on this, is that still considered the OMS? I know they call it that, but is that, well, then what are the auxiliary thrusters?

Just the auxiliary thrusters? I don't know. You're telling me the naming of this program doesn't make any sense, Jake? What was the shuttle OMS is now the Orion main engine? Integrity, Houston. I have some steps for bagging water when the crew member is going to do this task is ready. Maybe turn that down too. Yeah, I'll turn it down.

I'll just actually turn it off so I can hear. And you guys can't. And then I'll let you know when things happen. Here, I'll make us a little bigger too. Where do we even start, man? I got a report right before I went on air because I did a little show earlier about just the vibes. And I got a text from noted source Eric Berger that said they did not actually solve the issue with the old shuttle hardware. No, no.

So they, they, yeah. Yeah, so this is the, we're talking about the, the FDS had a problem during the countdown. And they needed to verify that it worked. And it was maybe the funniest moment of the entire Artem's program. I mean, this was the visibly loose bolts. But even Daryl Nail was like, you're not going to believe this. I asked four times to clarify this because it sounded like they made it up. And he like,

he couldn't even get to it. He's like, he was couching it so bad. He's like, I just want to be clear. This is not an April Fool's joke. The only way to verify that this FTS works is there's some old thing, some old relic of hardware in the basement of the VAB in the back of a closet somewhere.

And one guy knows about it. And he's like running down there right now to find this thing. And I don't know. What was he going to do? Like turn it on and like, like said a pinged. I don't know what it was supposed to do. They said that it could be controlled by the range that hooks into the flight termination system. So it must pick up the same signals. And they would have used that to verify what the signal

was that was sent. Maybe. Yeah. But I would have loved if it, I mean, this was a total movie scene, right? Like he goes in there. Because he has permission. I mean, it's SCE docks. It's SCE docks. It's what it is. Right. Like no one knows this is except like two people. Yeah. I'm actually mad they didn't let this play out, to be honest, because that feels like the right way to go about this, right? Like, it feels so, like, perfectly written that the only way we're launching is by this guy asking permission, running across the parking lot, getting, finding his way through and grabbing people, come with me, come with me, I need your hands, right? Grabbing the old stuff, pulling the big dusty thing off the thing, starts rolling it back through the parking lot. It's rattling,

they're holding stuff. Like, you can picture the whole sequence. And just the fact that we were robbed that is, quite frankly, a disappointment. Yeah, it's unacceptable. Really. I will be submitting a complaint to the program office. Canadian Space Agency. For the moon to Mars program. Yeah. Have you heard Jeremy Hansen's voice yet? Did he talk in any of these things?

Is he okay? Yeah, a little worried about him. Yeah, he's good. He's good. I'm a little worried about him. I think you might be dealing with it. Shouldn't even eat in the Poutine before a flight. I shouldn't have that rip-roaring curry from, you know. Had my wife fly it in from Queen's.

street and get it just oh yeah kill you man yeah so we didn't get that I guess they solved it when he was halfway

across the parking lot and we're like it's fine just go back what was your favorite part so far I have to say that we were talking about this last tonight but just when they did the

prox ops so they put Victor Glover in the seat and like this guy just went to work. And it just it was so smooth and seamless. He was just like, all right,

let's rock and roll. He's got like the headphones on and like the mic and he was just like one by one, working the checklist. Up, up, up. You got that. Seeing that, three degrees, go. And he was like happy and positive. Nothing went like, just like no mistakes were made. Dunking on other spaces

out there to shoot strays. And he's like, yeah, and he's like, he's like doing all this complex maneuvering. And at the same time he's just like, oh, this is like so much better than the sim. Yeah, this is tight. Oh, yeah. This one is like three percent faster than the sim.

I'm like, how do you know that? Like, you know, he's just like rattling off. It was like, it was a joy to watch like a professional doing the thing that they were born to do, you know? And it was like, it was a nice moment. So, and of course, like everyone else, you know, they're like tossing the iPhones like across the screen while he's doing it. It was so weird and strange.

It was awesome. I'm trying to get to the proxop videos. Because they're not. I can't roll back that far on the live stream. Maybe we'll do Flight Day 1 highlights, and we'll just let that roll for 30 minutes. There's nothing really happening in the stream right now. Yeah, because TLA is probably not for a bit, right?

Three hours from now that we'll go for, so we'll get this done, and we'll be in good shape to watch it later, which will be fun. Yeah, I got it. All right, we're going to watch this replay of, ICPS demonstration for a couple minutes. Love it. The viewpoint of the flight deck is really, I mean, quite cramped.

It doesn't look very comfortable in that flight deck. I really want to see the first, we've got the camera floating free in the cabin. Here's how much space there is downstairs. You know, that view, because that's always the one that hits you. I like that they put the blue screen in the highlights, by the way. Too good. That's always the view. When they, you know, we saw as a dragon and I guess,

Starliner. When they pull under those flight displays, the cavernousness opens up and you feel what it's actually like to be on the spacecraft. But the view is really cool. Like this angle where you can see the controls that they're using. We had good view of Victor Glover actually doing the thrusters. He was like one with the ship too. He was saying, he said more times, oh, did you feel that? Did you feel that? And other people were like, no. Like, Reed was like, I'm writing a note. I don't feel anything. So he was like one one entity at that moment. I know. He just morphed into the controls. Got to love that.

But, yeah. I was just trying to look it up. I can't find it here, but I have a weird memory that Orion's interior volume is actually not much bigger than Dragon or even less than Dragon. I have something in my brain was telling me that. Like, it's bigger on the outside, but not on the inside. I mean, number one, it's not that much bigger in diameter, but also they have a whole bathroom in the floor.

there was a video I'll try to pull up in a second of a demonstration Christina Cook did Coke cook I forget where we're at coke I should know cook cook some people say Coke some people say cook I don't know there was a video she did on the ground with I guess what is the simulator of the toilet where it was standing up regular style where the door was like a door and that's a huge volume to be dedicated to that kind of thing you know and I guess they have I haven't looked at the map but I guess they have the bathroom there and then there's a probably lockers on the other side to create the floor that everything opens up from the floor itself. So all that storage space probably cuts into the usable, actually, you know,

floatable volume. That should be a criteria. Floodable volume of a spacecraft. Floodable volume, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they had like an interior volume measurement, which is like, wouldn't include, you know, storage things. But because dragon's got a, dragon's got a shitter, doesn't it? Or is it? I mean, it's just the commode, the commodo dragon. It's just a little part up top with a little, like a sheet, basically. You know? This is like a legitimate door that you go in. It looks like an airplane bathroom.

So. Yeah, it's tough to tell from this angle, too, because it's like that console blocks everything. So like there could be just a whole cabaret behind that. Right. You got the docking court over there and fish eyes all like distorted. Yeah. Yeah. What else we got?

What other things we need to have takes on? Did you, um, did you catch? today, I logged in for the, when they woke up in the middle of their sleep for the orbit raising maneuver and they were reporting on a couple things. So one was like, the Reed Wisen was complaining that it was cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah, common problem. He's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's just too cold in here. But the other thing we talked about the cameras, did you catch that? Yes, I did. And I feel like we all have tips for them. They should have got PAYLID, the better camera app on the way before they went up, you know,

something with manual control they should have gotten on the iPhone. Yeah, probably. But it was funny, though, because it's like everyone's just, the phone drama, like the camera phone drama is like so funny to me. I know. Why do we send so many parents, you know? Like we should. Are they all parents?

Is there one not parent on this? I don't know. We can fact check that. All they need is one not parent. Yeah. But, yeah, it was just so funny. He's just like, yeah, man, like the GoPro, the iPhone, they're all washed out.

We haven't really struggling to get in a B-ray, but hey, these old DSRs, they weren't real slick. Good to go. Let's go. It's got it's rocking roll. Well, they also had the, it sounded like they had the hood over the window when they were doing that. So, I mean, the lighting in there has got to be super weird. Crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially when they're, when they're that distant, you know, nothing. They were, they were far from the earth then, too. Yeah. The pictures were really going to get a good shot. Even just like the seeing the outside shots with a, you know, at apagy, Oh, man, they are so far. I know.

That's how I woke up and put the stream on. And it was when they were waking up and the Crescent Earth were just sitting there. And I was like, damn, that's out there. That feels good. Because it's like 70,000 kilometers, I think. 60 to 70. Yeah. I feel like I've kept seeing semi-major axis and orbital altitude listed and intramixed.

And now I'm confused. Someone in the chat, can you fact check us on the exact apogee altitude? There's like a semi-major axis and miles and kilometers. and then Blue Origin guy got on the stream and he was like, it's this many 100,000 feet, man. I was just going to like it. They better switch by the time they're doing lunar ops. They better, man.

They better. But yeah, man, it was awesome, man. It was a good flight. Everything looked smooth. I was super nervous. I, uh, yeah. Nervous that. egg engine.

Just when the engine's lit until it was all done, I was like at the edge of my seat. So, but went great. Went great and just has an old school vibe to it. You watch these videos of them floating around the cabin. You're like, this is NASA.

This is what you should be doing for NASA. I'm like, yeah. I was talking to my wife, about it too. She's watching a little bit of it. And we were joking about how NASA has a look like, you know, we're just watching this, like, stream and there's like, they've got commentators on and they've got people with the board be like trying to explain the operation and they're panning over. I'm like, and NASA has like a look like all these people are like, they look like both like a little bit nerdy, but kind of nice, reasonably professional. Fashion sense is about 15 to 20 years behind, but like doesn't look bad.

It's just old, you know? And like, it's just like a very specific way that it appeared. I'm comfortable with that. so it was yeah it was definitely so the whole vibe of just the stream was very like I felt nice it was so campy right yeah they'd the singers they had everyone out yeah and then like they're like out there were like all the fans and the crowd you know like where are you coming from tancy you know yeah he's getting uh he's getting uh roasted in the media by actually dropping the f5

when I'm pretty sure he said freaking. This is like a blue and black, gold and white dress situation, but I'm like 89 to 90% sure he said freaking. Interesting. The vibe was impeccable, though. GoPro hat clip. He's probably going to be in that.

Is that guy still doing the videos that did the Artemis one, the All Gas No Breaks guy. Is he still doing content? Oh, geez. I don't know. That's a time capsule video right there. Totally.

I totally forgot about that. Rocket launch. When Will asked, me, what was it like after the pandemic? I'm showing them that video. That was it. This was pretty much it for a couple years. Team sports and wild nonsense. Jeez. All right. There's a lot of people out there with the big takes about how this isn't even a fun mission, it's not cool, it's not even historic. Where you at? Dial your reception of Artemis 2 in with how you might place it overall in the annals of history. How will this

get filed. Definitely historic. I don't know how you could argue that isn't. I know, I don't understand that. I think they're just doing trolling on the internet. Like, even if you put aside the fact that it's historic for Canada, period, like that's enough to me, but even

to put that aside, like, just the fact that it's the first one since Apollo, like, it's the return. I think that's pretty meaningful after such a long amount of time. I think there's a sect of people that are still fighting the 2010's culture war of new space, space that are really mad that SLS is doing it first.

Oh, sure, yeah. Like, I think that's a real thing, you know. We have two additional notes for you. I'm like, and I think I probably would feel more like them if it was, if this was a month ago or two months ago, and we didn't have the ignition table setting. I think that was a brilliant move by Jared. Like that, this made this launch much more. And we cast it as new and forward looking.

Yeah, it doesn't feel like the dead end anymore. It feels like, oh, we got to get through this part to get to the next part. well, the beginning. Is it the beginning, Jake? Is this mission the beginning? Let's just decide. Which mission is the beginning? Was it EFT1? Was it Ares 1X? I think they said the dawn of American lunar flight or whatever. Or that was maybe EFT1. And then Artemis 1. It matters. When was asteroid redirect mission canceled? You know what? I could tell you with help of our new friend, the GitHub repository of the Artemis history. Let's dig in, Jake. GitHub.com slash off dash nominal

slash Artemis dash history waiting ready and waiting for PRs. All right. You want to know Asteroid. That was, I'm trying to figure

it was that before or after EFT1. I can't stand the GitHub search interface. It's a very annoying interface. All right. April 10th, 2013, proposed asteroid redirect mission in the 2014 budget.

Because the initial, like, we are now, like, the start of SLS was asteroid redirect, right? No. They had the rendering of the rocket in Saturn 5 colors was in 2011. That was, it was Augustine Commission canceled Aries. And then a year later, and then they immediately flew an Aries rocket. Six days later, by the way. And then they, and then 2011, like a year later, they, not a year. even a year later, I think it was like September 20.

I could look at the repo that I have in front of me, but that was the picture of Bill Nelson pointing at the thing. That was, that was then, dude. That was 2013. 2017 was when the, when Artemis was supposed to launch. Yeah, but the, I thought the initial flight manifest for whatever we're calling SLS, like when it started to be called that, was asteroid redirect permission, right?

It wasn't moon, it wasn't Mars, it was. No. I'm going to do space launch system commits. unveil the space launch system design was September 14th, 2011. So this was the thing they rolled out after the Augustine Commission canceled Constellation.

What they did was immediately roll out the same rocket painted like a Saturn 5th. That was the idea. It's a truly crazy moment. I pulled these photos up recently. It's the same... Let me do some work to find. I did a little talk in the Philly area

and talked to people about space for a minute. I know that it's like... I know that it's funny to look back and look at that. But that's also been the entire human spaceflight program since the beginning, right? It went from like, shuttle was a different rocket, but it was all built on the exact same infrastructure. And then Aries was shuttle. And then, yeah, like, it's all iterative, right? Like, these are the two graphics that were released.

In the Constellation era, I cut out Aries 1 and just comparing to all the blocks of SLS at the time. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. It's funny to think about that. So, yeah. Okay, so Mars was the first one on there? Is that what that said?

Um, yes. Uh, I think that was before the astronauts aboard Iran. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It took out the, um, I think it took out the moon. Well, actually, at the time, let's see. The time it looks to have been, um, that the Delta V for that burn will be 1,000-200-200-200-200-1. that Mars was already in at that point of time.

Let me go to the Roadmap. markdown file and the history. So, uh, there we go. So Augustine commission, they canceled constellation with no replacement. And then in April said,

Asteroid by 2025, Mars orbit by 2030. This was the been there, done that speech at Kennedy Space Center. Right. That's the Obama one. This is the Obama one, yeah.

No more flexible path. It was Asteroid, than Mars. Okay, that's what I was thinking. That's like, and that's, that's pretty early, 2010. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So 16 years, effectively.

And then when did. Since that. Asteroid go away. Asteroid went away. We're going to answer this question later, but we're just, we're getting our ducks in a row. I don't even remember what question we're on at this point. All right.

So, and this is a commit from October 11th, 2010. I think at this point, thankfully Jake I knew how to use get by this point in time which is helpful um that's good uh so that was aries canceled what am i looking for uh asteroid redirect mission when was that proposed arm arm one because that we just said proposed you're saying when it's canceled yeah sorry canceled yeah it was canceled in not this one it was canceled the next time then uh 2011 i think no it was still there crude asteroid visit oh it was canceled under trump the first trump yeah okay It's a thing

that late, which is crazy. So, I would propose that EFT1 was the old program. Oh, yeah, I forgot this is the question we're trying to answer.

It's a take. And Artemis 1 was the beginning. There we go. That's my take. I think Ares 1X was the beginning. I truly do. I think this is unbreakable line.

I think there's an unbreakable line to Aries 1X. We toasted the launch pad, rendered it useless. That's a take that, like, I didn't give that take, and I'm just like, totally fine with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's how long it's been going on. Because if you showed any other person, right,

when I did this talk the other day, my talk was titled, people are going around the fucking moon again pretty soon, and you might not have known that until right now. This is my, this is the talk that I gave people. Yeah. None of the other people that were watching that were space nerds, and none of them,

could tell the difference between the Ares designs and what we're at now. They would say this is all the same thing. They just kept refining it and changing it. I mean, you could probably bring in the chief engineer of us and ask them that question, and he would give you the same answer. He's like, no, that's the same. Same, yeah. Just problematic for all the reasons that we've gone over for 20 years.

But, yeah, I don't know. But I do think the reframing of this as looking not like the dead end is really important. Yeah, it is. And honestly, I think the example that we could use Jake is Falcon Heavy. Because when that launched, we already knew this wasn't Starship. Starship was out there. You know? A couple iterations of Starship were proposed.

It wasn't even called Starship yet. But we knew that Falcon Heavy was not. Red Dragon was canceled by then? It was on the drawing board, but Falcon Heavy was real. So let's be clear. You're killing me. You're killing me. Yeah.

All right, so we're both kind of in the same headspace of like Recognize the good and the bad of the program Yeah And embrace that I think this is a I feel so much better about the general direction and momentum This week than I did two weeks ago That I'm

Like this launched with its exit ramp already announced This might be the only ICPS that flies Other than the other one that did Like this might be the last I should say Yeah What do you think? What do you think? Do you think it will? I don't know. That's an interesting one.

Because what's the argument is that like, okay, so it was originally scheduled for three, but three is now on Earth rendezvous. And so like you don't really use all the punch on that. Like it's going to just kind of like get to orbit and then be full of fuel and do nothing, right? That's the argument. So you would save it. You would put an adapter and save it. And you put it to four.

I think they use it still. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's the benefit of swapping RMS for from ICPS to Centaur? Does it get you much? No, I think it would swap to lower orbit. I don't think it would, I don't think it would do an upper stage. I think if they prove out that Orion can get to Leo on the next one without an ICPS,

and both of the launch providers, SpaceX in particular, I don't know. Was Lauren the only one with that report that Starship was going to take Orion from Leo all the way to low lunar? I don't know that they said that in ignition. Does anyone remember? I don't think they did. It would have been in more pieces. So that's right now a Lauren Grush exclusive. Yeah.

So that's true. And Starship comes around the corner. So you're thinking they don't use ICPS and they don't use Centaur. Like they just... Right. They get to Leo. Converted to a Leo rocket. Yep.

Yep. It simplifies your lunar launch windows. You can continually refuel refuel Starship in orbit if Orion is late. or if there's programmatic issues or something, right? It's easier to keep Starship topped up in Leo and be ready for Orion whenever it gets to the pad. How do you feel about your take?

This is the critical moment, maybe, Jake. You've told me in the last two or three months, your take is that they don't trust SLS to be fueled up. They just hope that they get lucky. And that's why this, when they rolled this out, they didn't do a test, they just said, let's load the crew, we'll load the vehicle if we're ready, we'll go. Do you feel that still after watching yesterday?

Well, I mean, that take is tied. to the hardware. And I don't know how much better Centaur makes it, but I think removing... No, no, no. I want to know if did yesterday's expert run through the countdown, change your mind at all? Or do you think that was them getting lucky? Yeah, not really.

Because like, it was still... This was still... It's the first attempt in the countdown, but it was the third attempt that is two months late. Like, this is just to be clear. The fact that they didn't... They rolled it out, they rolled it back, they rolled it out again.

and it had a couple wet dress rehearsals, like they had to fix a bunch of stuff. Like, let's just be clear. To that point, can we listen to the extra go around the room that they did at T-M-10? Because I think they all like looked around the room and they were like, is it? No one has anything?

Nobody has anything? I honestly think that's how that. It's how it felt to me in the broadcast. Let's watch it again if I can pull it up and see if you feel the same way. Yeah, I'm trying to remember back. It did feel a little strange. It was a long count. Yeah, maybe, I don't know.

I think it's just difficult because you... It doesn't matter how good an administrator, Isaacman, is. Like, the hardware is designed to come out of a hold. And you're seeing the clock count down at L-minus 12 minutes. I think it was like right about 10 or 11 minutes to go. Yeah, because it was right, they were in the planned hold, right? Yeah, well, they were heading up to it. Did they have a planned hold last time?

I don't remember that. I thought that was new. I don't remember either. All right, let me turn on the sound again. Boop iso valves are being closed at this time. Is that too loud? Can tell me. Integrity copies.

How about that? NGDLP. Is that good? Go. We've had a discussion with CI and with Murr manager regarding the observation the CI's had a few minutes ago. They were able to confirm on BCI photo. of the condition that they observed has been there since 2025.

Murr manager has had a chance to review the findings, and they do not have any constraints from either a CIS or Murr Manager perspective. That's at the moment. Okay. Copy all. Anonage drug zero, N2D, you copy? Right. Yes, sir.

I copy. That's good news. OTC, CCL212. OTC. Aeros primary loop isolation valve configuration is complete. Copy. Because you tell me what the reason was to do. the hold based on this conversation.

They waited in this for this epic roundup. TLSNs copies and that's complete. All right and for all personnel, we got a little bit more of work to do before we pick up the clock and we're about a little over a minute from getting to T minus 10 minutes

but we've canceled the resume time there and then we'll pick it up after we get through all of our work and anything else that we need to do to get through the remainder of counts. I don't know. They just talk to each other. There's no other work. Unless there's they weren't telling us about that they were doing on the consoles. So when we get to about 50 seconds from now, we'll extend that hold.

CVSE OTC. Yeah. CVSE, 400290, looking to verify that we are configured for AScent. Looking to verify. Yep, give me about two more minutes and start the CMA2 streaming. Copy. There we go. There was something there.

Give me two more minutes. NPDOSE hold requested. Copy that. I have an LCC violation of O-Dash. CT-0-04. Remember this? S-band Transpander anomaly. This was a transient LCC violation.

So Transponder 1 had a demodulated SNR estimate that went down to 2 dB. When it should have been between 10 and 13, it is now back up to 12, but we did lose that for just a moment. It does not appear that we lost our Bitsink or carrier lock, which would be indicative that we lost our lock with the vehicle. So at this point, recommendation would still be good. However, we do have a pre-planned contingency procedure if we want to look at that. But again, this is trying to be it, so we're back in a nominal range.

Whatever you're talking about. LPE and Td. So, I mean, yeah, we're not seeing that here. So, she reported that thing. Was that less than three samples? Does that be low our persistence? So this supervisor guy or whatever is like, tell me more about this. Let me look.

It did look like you did persist for several seconds on mine, but let me take a look at the number of samples. Okay. Could I get a repeat on the affected LCC, please? Yeah. I mean, it just, it had the vibe of like, oh, shit, we made it. We did it. We did the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at that point, you use the extra 10 minutes, you know, double check.

Like, you know how many leaks? Go ahead. I don't think that the constraints are really that different. I think if you did something where you removed IPS, ICPS, it would be better. But like, the big problems with like getting this thing launched on time is like the rollout takes very, very long time. the hydrogen seals will always forever be flaky because it's hydrogen. You've got performance constraints on Orion. You've got performance constraints on ICPS. You've got time to like stack these things and everything.

White Dress rehearsal takes a long time. Fueling takes a long time. Like all these things, Isaacman's not going to change those other than maybe removing ICPS. You can't change any of that, right? And so the flukiness of getting it off still, for it to me, persists. But I think that's why you should stage out of Leo then. If you change the architecture, so you don't, you're not going to the South Pole. You're not going to polar orbit.

You're going to equatorial low lunar orbit. You don't, there isn't really a launch window in the same way. The only launch window is the lighting you want on the surface. There isn't an orbital mechanics thing that you need to worry about. There isn't a, I guess there would be a return timing, but that depends on how much you could stay on the surface, right? It opens up a lot more options on the calendar for you. Well, I mean, it was always like if you're launching to the moon, that should also be true. The problem was the ICPS performance and the Orion performance

because like there was only certain trajectories that ICPS could pull it off what I had to do. And so that was holding it back. And the polar orbit. A polar orbit you had two times you could get to, right? You could, because you had to be lined up with the polar orbit you're going into. Yeah. So that was, that's why we have this once a month. And then I think the constraints on Artemis too is a lot of where they want to reenter Earth. That's like the driving thing for the actual trajectory. Yeah, I guess it unlocks like the, because, they have the issue where the hydrogen takes, you know, a toll, like loading it and unloading it takes a toll on the vehicle and that takes a day or two to cycle, like, you know, between

attempts, you can't do it within an hour, it takes a day or two. And then so if your launch window is only seven days long and you have to do a day between your launch, so you get three per a month or whatever, right? But removing ICPS would also extend that every two, three days you'd be able to try again, right? Right. You open up this like huge amount of calendar, which I think is the more, SLS is the thing it's the worst at is the calendar. Like yesterday they were great at the countdown, but they're still bad at the calendar.

Yeah, because all these constraints are kind of stacking, right? It's almost like an exponential negative feedback loop, right? If you have like 50% to 50% to 50% to 50% to 50% like you don't, there's not much left after that. So everyone you remove like...

You know, it's really like twice as good. It allows you to see where the spacecraft is. Turn it down. the stream. I'm putting the stream back up to see if there's any new stuff, but I don't think there is. No, I don't think so. I don't know, but the fact that we could have this conversation while they're on the way to the moon is good, right? Imagine this conversation we'd be having if we were still aiming at regular Artemis 3 and the cluster fuck that was Artemis 4. That's nowhere near as fun as this is. Yeah. Good stuff. Nailed it. Good communicator that, I thinkman. It's got to figure it out.

I've heard that there were some invite changes for this Artemis launch. Certain members of past administrations were invited not to the main viewing area, but to alternate locations. That's why you didn't see selfies with them in the way that you did with our friends in the media sitting near the VAB. Some drama. You didn't get your Donald Trump in a fighter. project reality though. Yeah. He was busy.

I would have been mad. If that happened, I would have been mad that everything is so polarizing that we couldn't just appreciate that that is an epic and awesome particular event. I don't care who's in the plane. Just like use only nouns and no names. That isn't a great situation. But we can't do that. It's pretty funny.

It's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. What was the, It would have been a Canadian reaction. I need this intel, Jake. I'm going on CTV news tonight at 715 Eastern. Do you know what, what is CTV news?

I don't know what that is. It's a big one. Yeah, it's a big one. My cousin in Toronto told me that it's good, and you said it's a good get. Yeah, like, I mean, if you want the media landscape, like, if you have, like, CBC's, like, the anointed child, right? They got all the state funding and they're the traditional, whatever, right? But then CTV is probably like, then one of, I don't know who's bigger.

Them are global, but those are like the two, like, like national ones and they're they're similar to how you guys have like you know you have like regional like offices of each one like oh this is fox news yeah yeah they kind of the same thing right so ctv is that Toronto is that one for for CTV and Toronto's biggest city in the country so yeah I was like if you in Phoenix this afternoon Jake yeah it's a really funny if like ABC New York City called you I guess kind of that's like the Canadian equipment I guess right what should I what's the Canadian message that's out there with your ex-pat chats. I'm not hearing much. I'll be honest.

It's not, no, no one knows this happened. No one knows. This flew under the radar in a very interesting way. Nobody at my kid's school knew. Nobody knows. No one. Literally nobody knew. So I told them, talk to the director. I don't know what the deal is, but I'm coming in as a guest speaker next week and we're talking to the kids about this. So I'm going to go do a little thing for my son's class of launch video. It should be maybe Monday when they're doing the flyby two. So I'm taking the road show out there, Jake, because, yeah. I mean, they couldn't make noise

because of your point that this thing doesn't stick on the date. But the good news is now they have a date coming up. So if they're not making a shitload of noise for Monday afternoon for this flyby, Monday evening, whatever it is on the clock, I'm going to be, that's where I'm going to be disappointed. I think they're going to, I mean, we haven't seen it yet because they've been busy, but I imagine that after TLI and there's some space. in the counter, then like all the outreach stuff's going to happen, right? So again, they weren't go for TLI until this beginning of the show. So they couldn't do that because then what if the toilet didn't work again, right?

And then. Well, and like all that they've been like so, so busy. Like they've just been like not even getting sleep. They're getting woken up to do stuff. Like it's crazy. It's actually a wild schedule. It kind of feels like a little Apollo 80 or no, Apollo 9. That was the one, right?

There's too much to do. And they protested. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I felt for them. But yeah, I imagine once some outreach stuff happens.

Like seriously, when he gets on the camera and does like a live feed to wherever and, you know, speaks in French and does like a land acknowledgement or I don't know what that would look like in space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, it'll be a very Canadian thing. An Orbit acknowledgement. We had the honor that the Apollo 13 astronauts that also did a free return trajectory. Yeah, yeah, Grandmother Moon. And we'll get it done.

But it's going to be different. I think that's going to matter. And then when he, you know, pulls out some maple syrup from, you want everything in Saginae that he finds it or, you know, whatever is the stupid regional shit that he pulls out of the hat. It's going to be, it's going to be, you'll get it up, right? It's going to be great. So I'm still waiting for that.

But, you know. That's true, though. The TLI moment is. At some point, there's going to be a maple leaf with the, with the moon and the earth in the background. That's going to happen at some point. Yeah. And one of the NASAS astronauts going, like in the side.

Pay your share. contribute something to moonbase fuck your arm the arm discourse is my favorite man when they're like what's Canada going to contribute I'm like I don't know

they're probably fine with nothing like they're getting paid first yeah we finally got finally got the good end of the bargain and got some leverage finally what do you think they'll do though honestly because there's been

I feel like Jeremy Hanson had some statements in the press conferences that were a little bit there was some undertones that I couldn't pick up on. I don't have ears trained for the Canadian vibe right now. But he had like a very kind of measured statement about the what Canada can do or something. Yeah. So it's super multi-dimensional right now. Right. So there's like, you have all these things in place.

So we have a new prime minister, right, who's making his mark right now and changing things and doing all those things. Right. So the Canada arm three was a Trudeau promise. And it was a big one. Like it was a lot of money for our space. Like that whole, when they rolled that out, it was like, lots of money compared to what we normally do. So you have that to deal with. And this prime minister, even though he's the same party, he's distancing himself quite a lot from Trudeau. Like it's, he's very, very centrist, like just towing the line. Any more conservative and he would have a TV flipping parties like just like that, right? So you have that. We have this NATO spending issue is a thing going on in Canada right now because you guys are whining that we don't pay our share, which is true. And so we have, we have been, um, increased. our spending and also like rejiggering accounting to be like oh actually this thing that we've

been buying all along i think it counts as military spending look at that and the number goes up right there been a little bit of that um but they i think they like the news just came out last week they hit the 2% finally like got it there so that is costing a lot of money um and it's coming from other things so they already canceled uh one space thing there was some some rover thing on i think was on a Clipsmission or something, like some little payload gone. But then they also added money to the spaceport in Nova Scotia. So that is like now moving forward with some more velocity, which is kind of cool. It's like, I don't know how that's going to shake out.

Like, is there going to suddenly be money for this that's like, you know, an important part of that whole thing or is it going to be like, no, we got to buy more tanks to put in the base in Latvia. And there's just not going to be, you know, I don't know what it's going to look like. So yeah, it's very interesting. How related is this to the like don't give up Canada thing that we talked about a year or two back? When was that? Elizabeth Howell was talking about it. What was that situation?

Yeah, what was that? I remember it now. Is this your net neutrality? Like it was a lot of noise and then we were like, okay, it's fine. Don't give up Canada. Yeah, because it canceled something, right? It was some budget consideration that was like a huge, they were doing all this buying ads and buses in Ontario and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm completely blanking what caused that, though. We should have had Elizabeth Howell in here. Yeah, we should have. Sorry, Elizabeth. She's probably busy. I don't know. I feel like the other thing we're good at besides arms is we have quite a few, not only like government programs,

but private companies that are doing like autonomous rovers, specifically for moon stuff. So I feel like that is a place where it might end up. Like you're going to have this big rover for people, but do you need any drone kind of looking things? there's all these eclipse payloads flying there's probably space on there for something right and so we could contribute some things that way i don't know if that adds up to a canadarm though that's that's the interesting thing yeah seat to the moon although the other enterprise we had was a it was a gateway

it was actually two things right it was canadarm for artemus two and a gateway mission there was there was supposed to be a second flight oh really and now that's obviously off the table so you'll be fine you only have paid us ahead of time it's good enough he could tell us to pay our share yeah yeah well I don't know let's see what happens after TLI if the if the public relations machine flicks on then

then I'm good with that to be honest like I kind of think this part can be for us and that part can be for everybody else I'm good with that if you do CTV you'll have a better read on it than I do right now so I can't wait to find out what we're going to talk about every time it takes a turn I told the Fox 10 Phoenix people today they like a lot of people still do the Mars thing they do the Mars turn right

like, we're doing this, and then we're doing Mars, and they were like, what's it going to be like on Mars? I was like, you guys tell me, like, you're living out in a flat desert. I told him, you probably have a better idea than I do. Like, I was like, oh, you're right. So. That's funny. It was a very weird show.

If anyone lives in Phoenix, this midday crew, Celeste, and I forget the guy's name, but he was this older guy that had, like, extremely over-the-top segways between everything. And I loved, I don't know, I'm having fun doing these weird TV things. I did this recent CNN thing, and I got like six or eight requests from other channels. I talked to the CNN guy, and he's like, yeah, they just, it's a media booking craze because everyone's busy. So they're just booking as many people as possible, and somebody was sitting watching CNN and saw you and then found you and hit you up.

And I'm like, great, am I in the circuit now? This is bizarre. But it keeps me in touch with like what the Mars thing comes out so much. And I don't really know what to tell these people. Like, this isn't it anymore. No. That is a difficult one. Well, because it's like, it's, it's.

It's pop culture wishes versus reality, right? Because like, Mars, I mean, that's one of the reasons I started that podcast so long ago is it's like Mars has a special place in consciousness. Like it is way more than the moon. It is like a far off goal. It is like a symbol of what if we were better at space than we are now, right? That's kind of like what it is. It's just like, you know, moon, we've done it.

We're in lower throat, we've done the moon and stuff. Like that's in our domain. That's like a checkbox. And it's like, Mars has always been kind of like, what if, right? What if we could, what if we continue down this path? Like, you know, what if we for all mankind this? And then we get, you get to Mars, right? And so, like, I don't know if those questions will ever go away regardless of what's actually happening.

So, yeah, I don't know. Like, maybe you approach it like that, right? It's like, wow. I told them we have a lot of things to build first before we do that. And that it's, like, still decades away. Yeah. So. So we'll see.

Anyone in the chat in the Toronto area? Because I don't know how I can watch this thing. So I want to see what it actually. I'm curious if how much of what you're getting is going to be Ontario angle too, right? Because London's like just a couple hours away from Toronto. What's the difference there? And please enlighten me. That's where Jeremy Hanson's from.

Ah, okay. So I'm doing hometown. Nonsense. I thought I'm wondering. I mean, it's not really, it's like, because it's like far, it's like outside the city and it's smaller. Right. Toronto's the big, the big boy. So it's not like Toronto would be considered his hometown, but there is a bit of a southern Ontario angle there. So I'm curious to see if they go there.

I'm going to be like, well, it's complicated. Not a lot and sort of a lot. I don't know which. I should go with here. Yeah. Well, you just spout the, do Jared Isaacman a favor and spout the ignition, you know, party lines and you'll get far. Listen, I already ran for administrator. This is live shots, by the way. I'm back to live shots of Orion. I think that's, is that the Terminator in the bottom left? Don't know. Could be. Yeah, I guess if TLI is soon, then it should be coming back or something. Yeah, but they're zipping on TLI. Yeah, it's going to fast, right? I always love these missions, because we don't have a lot to say. Like, we should, you know? Yeah. But I hope you're enjoying just

sitting there ruminating with us on, it actually happened. It finally did it. But that is, that is saying something, Anthony. It's like, This is a real thing that's right in front of us. We had that moment on the Falcon Heavy, too, where we were just watching the Tesla. And we were like, what the hell just happened today? And Jake was like, nothing. Two weeks from now, two weeks from now, we can go back. Right back into it.

Yeah, we're straight back in. I can be like, this is never going to happen. Our mystery is a joke. Where are the suits? Where are the landers? SpaceX is IPO. We can go into it. We'll have lots to get cynical about.

What do you think is going to be the thing that? comes out of the gate because they're not going to just go quiet like Jared's been on a tear since the Starliner press conference what do you think is going to be the first push after this? Well one thing I thought was interesting is he already mentioned like as soon as that thing flies we're rolling back ML1 and stacking Artemis 3 so like I think and that to me feels like a visible way to prove yourself right because it's easy like you know those SRBs are the first thing to go up. They're on the train, I think. They're heading there. Yeah. They're like literally like driving right now, like already. And so I think if he if he can push and like start getting that thing going, it'll feel like his plan is coming true. So it feels like an easy win, right? I don't know if it's actually coming true because I don't know how far along the rest of the stuff is. But I'm trying to find this tweet. I had on the team. I did have a, you know, I was thinking a lot about what you said and about like taking all the roadblocks out. and ask people to fulfill their promises.

You said this, I could fly. And I was like, man, like, what if, what if I'm, like, wait so cynical on this that I'm, like, omitting the possibility that, like, because I was very cynical that I was like, this nothing's going to change. Like, he can't do anything. And you were like, no, this is a good forcing function that'll give him the political capital to, like, later fix it and or pull things out or whatever.

Like, what if we're both missing the other possibility where he just, like, fixes SLS? Just flip the light switch. like he just gets all over them, gets Boeing's ass in gear, and like they do. They just start flying once a year with it. And it's like,

yeah, we've got the, we just go. Like, what if that happened? God, that would be pretty funny. I'm super skeptical of that,

but I'm in a good mood today. So I'm going to at least speculate that it's a non-zero chance. I think they legitimately believe there's a chance. And again, they've been given the ammunition to say, you all have said this. You know,

I should, I should add to the GitHub repository, when the yearly cadence went away for SLS. Like, what moment did that leave the knowledge base of what SLS was? Because that was the thing for so long. And even Gersh was like, yeah, we can fly more than once a year, you know? We can do maybe every 10 months or nine months or something. So he has an ammunition to back up the go-prove it thing.

But he's also this bizarrely kind of like selfless guy in the development of space. Like he truly does seem to care about developing space, right? We think that he bought, the theory is he set up a space program to pay SpaceX money to do missions because he wasn't allowed to invest in them. So like, if his thing was purely making money, that wasn't it. That wasn't the way to do it. So he has at least shown the kind of selfless development of space instinct. And if this is what is the most effect that can have in the program, it's get the next person all the answers. It puts a lot of trust in who the next person is, which is terrifying.

Sacrificial admin theory, man. This thing is coalescing. said this as a joke and it's coalescing. Yeah. I mean, so many of my joke banks seem to come true. It's alarming to me. Yeah, but it's different too, right? It's not wrecking the table and canceling the program like we saw two or three times in this Git repo. It's, it's like forcing everybody to get behind the momentum here and find the weak spots. And they said it. Carlos Garcia-Gallon, I always forget which order the G's are. I think it's Garcia-Gallon. He said it to Eric in an Ars-Tenica thing. He was like, we're trying to find the choke points. So I do feel to some extent,

Like if he thinks he's got an answer for the next administration, that was a success. We still kind of like, you know, you and me in the space community, we approach SLS so adversarially, right? And it's like this is, you're a, you know, you're a cancer on this program is like how we sometimes think about this is. And the only, the only reasonable thing you can do is like try to kill it, right? Yeah. And like what if he's just like, like every day he gets in the phone and he calls blowing, he's like, how's it going? Like, what's in your way? What if he just like just manages the crap out of them and like just can like work, you know,

you could theoretically work your ass off and just start every time they stay staged up and slow it down, eliminate it. Like it just help them, right? Like you could, if you stop being adversarial and you were just like, I am going to make your and my dream come true and we're going to achieve this. Like that could theoretically happen too. It's a different approach than I would have ever imagined someone like him doing. But I don't know.

I'll be interesting to see. It'll be an interesting one to watch. It's the insanely optimistic version of the Casey Dreyer argument of like, this thing's getting the funding, it's here politically. What are you going to do about it, right? Because the options aren't cancel it and let me go away or fund it. And yeah, if the options are, it costs this much and even a little bit more, but it does stuff. That's a better troll toll to pay than we just have to find the little under the radar contracts that we can. And FOMO was a powerful thing, man.

I mean, Nelson, what's her name, Kay Bailey, Hutchinson, all that the same. senators that rolled out the S-Less design back in the day and were shitting on commercial crew, right? They once they started flying, they're coming around saying, my name was on the bill at fun of this thing, and even though they were the huge opponent. So on a political side, the FOMO is real. So if he got some message across to the Ted Cruz's, right, maybe it was this ISS an axiom space kind of giveaway, but it also could just be a raw, like, look at me in the eyes. This isn't working. You know it and I know it and I know it. I want to do it a program that actually works and I'm not trying to come at the funding that you're concerned about, but we need to

reconfigure it to make it better. So do you want to be the guy with a moon base or without a moon base? Because you're not getting a moon base right now. The gateway is not working. It will not work. You can either sit by and be the reason that China beat you to the moon or not. That could have been the like threatening nature of it and not that it's threatening, but like it kind of is. Like this isn't working. I'm the guy that's saying it. What are you going to do about it? Yeah. I would love to know what that conversation was. And the way like, you know, the way SLS and Orion are funded and interact with each other. You have this sort of like exponential cost problem, right? Because like if Orion delays a month, SLS also delays a month and you get a month of

SLS cost for nothing. Like you get nothing out of that, right? You're not going to save money by speeding it up, but you will get more value. You'll get the equivalent value, right? So if you, if you remove a month roadblock from Orion, you get that twice back because you get the extra value from SLS at the same time, right and so like there's that's that's where the possibility of like oh it's it's impossible to get this thing to fly fast enough you know without more money and it's like well that's that's how it could happen right is that you have that cross-cutting cost saving right good stuff I'm here for it two hours to see a line making me a believer let's go baby son of a bitch doesn't he know that I prefer to be a contrarian cynic

Well, hop on, baby. Your boy's going to the moon right now. So, are you pumped on a personal level? Like, this is the whole Canadian thing? Like, are you truly feeling the national pride? We've already won it. We've already just beat our record for this Canadian from Earth. It's happening right now.

Well, not right now, maybe. Oh, yeah, and it still is. They're pretty high still. Yeah. All right. Look at you. Turn in the corner on the optimism. We could do it.

It's in there. I know it's in there. Hell yeah. You know, the nationalism. Yeah. Number two in all things to America this year, baby. My Guatemala hat and my British beer and my American friend here, I'm feeling the national. I'm feeling the Mexican house.

You're a globalist. You're a globalist shill. Yeah. I am. Yeah. Old world order, baby. Yeah. We don't know what's going on next week, to be honest.

We'll be... No. We have left the schedule clear for this. Super wide open. And now it's done. Now we've got to, like, frantically start calling people. I've got some people I've been texting about the mission that I might say. Just like CTV.

Just like CTV, Toronto, frantically calling people. I'll invite one of the anchors onto the show live. Let's see what they say. Yeah, if you find one you like, sure, do it. That's probably true. I like that Phoenix guy. Maybe I'll reach out to him. He's funny.

Fun. All right. Let me know if you're in Phoenix area. That'd be great. Well, that's all we got, Jake. Cool. Let's hope there's something happening on the stream. Nope, it's the blue screen.

Blue screen. The Artemis 2 blue screen. And back to the visualization. Oh, well. Camera work. Camera work needed work. Yeah, you want to talk about it for a second? You want to drop a criticism?

Get your shit together, camera. Timber team. And this part's been fine. Like, because these cameras don't often pick up interesting stuff. Like, yeah. They're positioned to be interesting eventually, but they're not always interesting because of the way they need to keep the spacecraft. So this part's fine. The launch was a cluster.

Complete. Disaster. What do you think they're going to do about that? You think that's something they solve? I mean, I feel like that's in Jared's wheelhouse. Way in Jared's wheelhouse. I feel like that's a thing that he is probably pretty pissed about it is. That's a John Krauss project.

He's pretty pissed about how that went down, I bet. Yeah. Hey, up. You got to get the good crew, you know? Yeah. No kids dressing up for Halloween as astronauts, so. Couldn't see them. Didn't even know they were in there.

Oh, man. All right, y'all. I'm worn out. I feel like I'm getting sick a little bit, so we'll see how that goes. But I think I'm just maybe tired. I stayed up so late watching that last night, and I couldn't. I'm not going to turn the stream off. No.

It's just on in my house. All right, y'all. goodbye. Thanks, everyone. Congratulations, Canada. Welcome to the club.