Off-Nominal - 44 - Jeff Bezos’ OnlyFans

Episode Date: September 7, 2021

Jake and Anthony are joined by Joe Barnard of BPS.Space to talk about what he’s been working on lately, what it’s like being a creator online these days, and various other topics like Firefly’s first launch, Virgin Galactic’s Kobayashi Maru, and what Chuck E. Cheese has been up to during the pandemic.DrinksBubble Stash - Hop Valley Brewing Company - UntappdMolson Canadian - Molson Coors Canada - UntappdTrouble By Design - Magnify Brewing Company - UntappdWizard Nebula - Modern Times Beer - UntappdThe Pine Tar Incident - El Segundo Brewing Company - UntappdTopicsOff-Nominal - YouTubeEpisode 44 - Jeff Bezos’ OnlyFans (with Joe Barnard) - YouTubeWorld's Smallest Rocket Flight Computer? - YouTubeTaking A Break - YouTubeFirefly Alpha failure blamed on premature engine shutdown - SpaceNewsFirefly Alpha FLTA001 - YouTubeThe Red Warning Light on Richard Branson’s Virgin Galactic Space Flight | The New YorkerFAA grounds SpaceShipTwo after problem on July flight - SpaceNewsAstra Test Flight (Launch Vehicle 0006) - YouTubeTried to support local business via Grubhub tonight... Pasquallys pizza and wings ended up being an alias for Chuck E Cheese. Well played : philadelphiaPicksThe Next Astronauts Part I: A Few Ordinary People - AxiosNational Hurricane Centerbbno$ & Rich Brian - edamame (Official Video) - YouTubeThink Again, the latest book from Adam GrantFollow JoeBPS.SpaceBPS.space - YouTubeJoe Barnard (@joebarnard) / TwitterFollow JakeWeMartians Podcast - Follow Humanity's Journey to MarsWeMartians Podcast (@We_Martians) | TwitterJake Robins (@JakeOnOrbit) | TwitterFollow AnthonyMain Engine Cut OffMain Engine Cut Off (@WeHaveMECO) | TwitterAnthony Colangelo (@acolangelo) | TwitterOff-Nominal MerchandiseOff-Nominal Logo TeeWeMartians Shop | MECO Shop

TLS and go for main engine, start. Hey, I'm Joe Barnard, and you're listening to the Off Nominable Podcast. I'm the person who always interest this, so if you recognize my voice, that would make sense. And with us as guests, do you guys want to introduce yourself? Oh, man. We got our first celebrity radio stinger. Okay, well, that's probably the most professional start to the show we've ever had. I don't think.

The only way it can be better is if you really ham it up with like the, your listening, to the off nominal button, like, you know, one of those. We're going to have to do a whole studio session with Joe to just nail out a lot of these different stingers. I mean, our vibe is more like the shock jock. I could have to be like, you're listening to. Yeah, if you don't get the horn in there, it doesn't count. No, it doesn't. It's not at all.

So, ah, man, okay. Well, we made it, yeah, I am a complete frazzled mess apparently right now. So I'm surprised that we started within 10. minutes of our starting time. So congratulations to me on outpacing me. How does that point update that you just installed, the fresh macOS point update? It's working. Does that seem more stable than it did 10 minutes before the show? Well, the camera works now, so it is a market improvement. If there's one thing that's good, it's updating your OS 10 minutes before the show. But all day. He's even in the time zone. Well, I guess that probably hurts, right? No, you're, Irvin, you're

you're up, you have a longer day now between your wake up time and our normal start time. And you still couldn't get it together. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. It'll be all right. But I'm really excited, Jake. We've been Twitter flirting with Joe for several weeks and he's been on the list for a long time and then released this great video recently that we'll talk about, I'm sure.

So I'm, I'm extra pumped for the show. And I think after what was an interesting couple of times, of weeks for both personally and professionally for both of us. We need this right now. So this is same. Very cathartic. I'm sure. I don't know. We didn't really talk about topics, but there's a good chance this gets somewhere between inside baseball and therapy session. So we'll see where that goes. But let's start. We got some drinks here, Jake. Yeah, yeah. What do you got? First. Oh, I'll go first. Okay. So I had a small family gathering. This

week and so I had some family around and we have some leftover beer so this is leftover beers show but my main here is from Hop Valley Brewing Company and this is the bubble stash IPA cryo hops cryo hops yeah that'll get the Boca Chica watch walks hopping this is from Ontario actually it's from Cremor Ontario Cremor Springs area so that's that's my main and then I have a backup one too because this is as everyone knows I have Jake size beers. Yeah, it's pretty small. This is like a half pint.

That's a sampler. I have my backup. And this is a special one because it is both not special because it is just Malson Canadian. It's like the worst. Super. It's like you've just joined an adult hockey league and you're just lacing up the skates. If you just go to a bar and you say, can I have a beer?

This is what they bring you. That's kind of pretty though. Like as far as like, you know, crappy beers go. That's a pretty label. Yeah, good typography for crab of beer. But I thought it was appropriate, though, because this is probably the last show that I broadcast from Canada for a while.

So, uh, because this is, uh, this, this, this, this temporary thing is going away because I'm leaving this building.

Uh, I'm on a new adventure next week. And I'm excited about it. So. Is that as much information as you're divulging at this moment? Uh, we can talk about whatever you want. Yeah.

I mean, you never really divulge you a lot. Well, we're in the middle of drink, so. I don't want to drill. Okay, okay. I have a beer that is called Trouble by Design. Wait for it. This is not necessarily a space beer, but I read this, and then I felt, I felt like it was, wow, am I going to get a new focus or what?

Is everything okay? That's happening. It's just your life now. What is this? All right, well, that's fun. I'll figure that out in a second. I'll just move, I guess, really, Close.

Trouble by design, I felt like it reminded me of Joe's recent video where he's built different. And I was like, this is a beer that I think fits the theme that we're going for. I do have a backup as well, though. This one's called Wizard Nebula. I don't even want to refocus the camera this time, but it's called Wizard Nebula. That's a heck of the name. I don't really know what that means, and there's like, the can is like ornaments that kind of look like, some buildings in Moscow.

Like, it's just a weird... There's a lot going on here. Or those are balloons? I don't really know. So we'll see when I get into that one. Okay. That's what I got? Joe, what do you got? It's a little earlier out where you are, I think.

Oh, it's fine. It's after five. I have... I have not tried this. So I have a beer called Pine Tar, and I got it because of two reasons. So there are stars, like the night sky, but it's not actually the night. It's dust.

And dust is my favorite thing. And then it also has the moon on it. And I am a simple man. I buy everything for the label. Beers, wines, it does not matter. The label is cool. I am buying it. And so it is by strike brewing.

I don't know much about it, but it looks really nice and we're going to try it. That's what we do here. I didn't plan a backup here, but I have another one called gummy worms. That's really good. It tastes like gummy worms? We can bring that out if necessary. No, it's just a good IPA. Okay, that's a way better than what I was worried about.

You got a big can, so if we get through that, you need a back-up. The show's already off the rails anyway. I got a big can, and I just looked and it's 10%. I don't know. You told me. It does have a nice New Jersey on the side of the can, so rep in the home state. Oh, yeah.

Cool. All right. Cheers. It is good to have you here. Where should we start? I would love to talk about your new video. Sure. Number one, there's a moment in there when you say, I'm Joe Barnard, and I pretty much do whatever I want at this point, and then I cracked up.

That killed me for whatever reason. The like flippant, like, I guess this is the intro that I'm doing now. I loved that. I mean, yeah, it was about accurate for that time. So the inside part that, like, I'm not trying to hide it, but was definitely part of that video. The first two launches happened in August of 2020, so like a full year ago. And basically, like, part of the reason everything failed so much in trying to get that rocket to work that for those who haven't seen it, I basically like, I build this really tiny flight computer and I try to speed run the development of it and get to launch. And it takes me four

tries to get it to work. I Falcon won this thing. And it's like, anyway, so the first two I did August of last year. They both didn't work and I was like, this is garbage. I have learned my lesson. I shouldn't try to speed run things. And then my buddy came to town in June and I was like, well, I guess I never finished this project. Let's just try it again.

And it didn't work. And then I drove into the airport, drove back and I was like, can I swear? Am I allowed to swear? I don't know the rules here. I was like, this is bullshit. And then I like went home. I jacked up all of the control games, and I was like, this thing will do nothing but control itself. And it worked.

So you got to take it to the limit. Maybe, you know, there's a company that just launched last night that you might want to just call in with the advice. Really? That's really interesting. I hadn't heard anything about that. Yeah, it's interesting. Sidejag to Firefly. That was very impressive and then very exciting.

It was very fun to watch. That was a great launch. Yeah. This is like fascinating failure for a bunch of reasons. Yeah. Also, I mean, this is a sentiment that I think a lot of people echoed it, like, super admirable that they were like, yeah, Tim Dodd, like, let's stream it. Because, like, you know it's not going to work. I, like, all respect to the engineers at Pirate, you know it's not going to work.

Yeah. It's your first shot. That's part of the thing. Like, that's just how it goes. Well, I just thought it was, like, really smart for them because then Astor did the same thing with, with NSF. since their first flight, but that same strategy of, like, hiring people who are doing that to just, you know, do it because, like, A, you get to, like, leverage a huge built-in audience, so, like, you just get your company out there.

And then B, that stuff's expensive if you want to do it right. And we all know what happens when someone does a bad launch webcast. Twitter eats you alive. And so, like, this is a smart way to, like, if it's a bad webcast, it's like, well, Tim Dodds, that'd be the worst thing that could happen to Firefly, right, in terms of the webcast. So I think, do you want to say the first letter of whoever you're talking about?

Because I know it is. There are so many these days. Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, which one one one I list first? Both the company's doing it and the people complaining about it. There's some high people on that list. Yeah. And there was one, wasn't there one earlier this year that was, was it a SpaceX launch that NASA or NOAA, somebody did the coverage of?

and it was like, it was a veritifiable train wreck. It was one from Bandi, yeah. Yeah, and everyone was like very heated about that. I can't remember the mission. Yes, it was, uh, oh, maybe it was, uh, Sentinel, right? Was one of the Sentinels? Yeah, that's what it was. Michael Freilich.

Mm-hmm. I don't remember how to say his name. Yeah, and it was, it was not good, yeah. But you're right, because they're just saying, like, these people are doing this anyway. They're going to be streaming. They've got the audience. they've got the content. Tim did a great job at the stream design.

It was pretty brilliant. It is interesting that both Astra and Firefly did that within days of each other. Well, especially because, like, Tim was saying that they'd been working on it since, like, January. Like, you know, the toxin getting it all already. So it wasn't, like, a reactionary thing, unless Astra threw it together in the last five minutes when they heard. But, like, they know, like, 10 minutes before they're going to go up at Kodiak and do a launch, you know? So, like, just time. But Starfly admirably stuck to their timeline within a couple of months.

That was pretty close. I didn't expect that. And then they were like, oh, we're going to go for the first minute of this launch window. It was just, it was a great uplifting day, even though it ended in failure. So anyway, back to Joe's video that had several great uplifting days that ended up failure. Let's talk about the August 2020 situation. I don't know, like, how close to the metal we want to get here. But August 2020 was a year ago.

you took a break somewhere in there oh man we I per the this is probably where the therapy session is coming out okay yeah let's do we all have experienced some level of burnout

it sounds like in the last several months or year so I feel like we should get into it and talk about it was this particular project related to that at all or was this just like do you typically have a lot of balls in the air of different things that you're working on

that eventually come to be a video this project was like a total meme from the start. It was sort of like I opened up the PCB design software that I used so designed like circuit boards and I opened it up and I was like, you know what? It had been an idea like a lot of these things, a lot of these projects start as an idea that's bouncing around in your head for a few months and you're like, I can probably do this. And like any person who makes things, you're like, I can do this in three weeks max. And it's not, that's not accurate. But

I yeah I designed this board after I had completed a series of 10 test flights on this other rocket that I had built and it was in between this rocket and then the landing one scout that I was like I could I could like slip a little project in here that lasts about a month and so I did I built the board I assembled it I shot all of this beautiful footage like 90% of the stuff that you see at the beginning of the video was shot over a year ago and then I did two launches. They didn't work. And I realized, like, I'm not, you know, I don't know how cool we are with using SLS as an example, but I'm not going to sunk cost policy this. Like, neither of these have worked.

I've spent some time, but there are more valuable things for me to pursue. And so, yeah, that didn't affect. So, yeah, like, I did take a break, not too long after that. that didn't affect my mental health that much. It was more just like a bunch of other stuff that happened this fall. And then I also, with the landing stuff, I did, the way that I think about it in my mind is I went, I went really hard on like the Boeing approach, which is, I actually mean that like respectfully too.

I just like how you're using these as examples. It's just making me tell you. I'm not like disputing your usage. I appreciate it. Yeah, Boeing stuff is like less integrated test. It's less like just send it. It's more, and it's not doing nothing else. It's more like we're going to test the crap out of this thing.

We're going to test the shit of this thing. We will understand every single way that it fails individually as components, as systems. And so I did that for the landing program. So I had this huge like three month gap where I didn't do anything publicly. But I pushed really hard on the landing rocket. And that's why I got, that flight went way better than it had any reason to go. I'm hoping to do another one soon.

But then I did that flight. A bunch of other stuff happened in my personal life. And I was like, this is garbage. And I will not do it for a few months. Yeah. So that's that. I don't know how we got. When I saw you're taking a break.

And then when I saw your next video go up, I was like, I was not that much for a break. Yeah. I was like, Joe, we gotta talk about that, man. I don't know Joe yet, but I feel like I should find his phone number somewhere and call him and be like,

do another one. But I don't know if that is like, because we are all, we do very different things. And I think Joe's doing, he's operating on 4D chess to Jake and I's checkers just based on the sheer like number of media that you are working in

from actual rockets through to video and audio. And apparently, musical composition with a great place order button in the most recent video very web 2.0 button but just i googled image place order button i zoomed in the like we all get the tip of the iceberg effect where the things that people enjoy from us are like the tip of the iceberg might be a generous analogy that it's like they're seeing so little of what we're actually doing that make the thing So I couldn't tell if that was, like, you had all these other things up in the air and somewhat close to finish anyway, and you actually did take longer of a break than it looked like from what you were posting. Or were you just really good at recovering from burnout and everything?

Yeah, so, okay, to peel it back a little bit, so I had, I forgot about this. I did a ton of development on a model rocket that was supposed to be a launcher one model. I actually have the fins over there for it. There's like this awesome actuated fin setup that I built, designed the whole thing. I had an intern last summer, and I like half of his internship was just designing this model. And then I built a really intense like carrier aircraft for it. I did like six different test flights of it. And I hadn't really published any video on the BPS channel about it.

And it was sort of unfulfilling in general. And then the thing that said it over the edge, like I would. was already heading toward burnout. And then, like, on a personal note, the thing that said it over the edge was like December, I went through like a super tough breakup. And I was like, this is garbage. I'm just going to stop. And so that was part of it.

I also went really hard into like journaling and therapy and exercise and stuff like that. So it wasn't a short break, or it wasn't a long break, rather. But it was definitely helpful. and I probably should have gotten burned more badly than I did this spring. Because, like, I stopped taking a break, and then I burned harder than I have ever burned on any project. I sped run a minimum diameter, like, three meter tall, 10 kilometer rocket in about a month and a half. And, like, that, it should not have worked as well as it did. yeah yeah yeah no i i like that i was actually really happy when i not happy i shouldn't say

because i didn't i wasn't like enjoying seeing you in a place where you need to feel like i'd take a break but it was it was jake's like i'm happy i'm outlasting another one no no no i was i related to it so much because i like i feel so i i hit real bad burnout about well it's about two years ago now and it's the last two years have been an exercise for me in reconstructing my life in a way that will not make that happen again. And so when I saw that happen to you, I was just like, I'm not a weirdo. Okay, good. Like, it was nice to see.

So I appreciated you, you know, publishing that at least. Yeah, I think. I've heard similar responses from other people, too, whether they're in a, like, creator space or not. Like, it really happens to most people. if you're working hard on things you love like at some point you're probably going to experience it and like it's it's a little weird

to put out a video that's like pretty vulnerable like I think I'm almost crying in that video but like I it is it's the reality of it and I think I think it's helpful to be honest about that that makes sense especially because you are like we have a lot of one-way friendships that become two-way once we meet up somewhere with people.

But, so that's that weird aspect. We're like, you might not necessarily know who that was going out to, but they know Joe so much that it's hitting them at a different level than you might think it is when you're putting it out there. Yeah, it's like the parasycial relationship thing. But it's like,

uh, it's like a, in a good way that like it has a, it has a larger influence. than the return does for me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But anyway, yeah, I burned out.

I burned out real hard. It wasn't that fun or cool, but it helped me get to the point where I was like, so I live in L.A. now. And I lived in Nashville until about a month and a half ago. But that burnout helped me take a step back and like, and like rethink a little bit, like, what are my goals for the next five years? What do I want to be doing? Where is the right place to do it? And so it helped me understand that I needed to move out here.

And so it was, it was like even from a business perspective, it was like totally worth it to take the break because this was the right move. And I don't know that I would have gotten there if I had kept like just doing project after project. Yeah. When you're in the depths of like your standard flow, you don't have the ability to like take a step back and go like, why am I doing this particular thing? I had this in the, like, so I had a kid last August and took some time off.

Thank you. And my, I knew like coming back from that after, you know, a couple months off. I think it took like a month off from the podcast world and all that kind of stuff. Turns out when they're very sleepy, you can read a lot of space news anyway. So I was able to just stay up on stuff. But I knew coming out of that, it would be like, Okay, which things do I need to like, just based on my time availability, turn off? So it was like, used to write stuff on the blog.

Turns out that one was the one that I flipped off because it wasn't doing what I wanted it to do, nor was it like the essence of what I think people like Miko for. And it was those kind of tweaks. And I feel like I've been good at that for the past couple years of noticing areas of friction that if anything starts to feel too much friction to produce the thing, I start very quickly going like, I'm avoiding that and it feels like friction, and I think that means I should stop doing it.

Friction is like the subconscious thing where you're like, I just don't want to do this. Like you can notice yourself avoiding it. Yeah. Yeah. And or the relative, it doesn't come easy to produce something like that. You know, you're either forcing it by way of like, I'm just going to sit down and force myself to do this thing.

It doesn't feel like it's coming naturally as part of the thing that you actually want to be making. So I feel like I've had that focusing element in the last couple months of time constraints have changed now that there's child running around. And even Jake and I have talked in recent months about like how much space news there is happening now compared to when we started out. and that amount of workload makes us change what we want to do and which particular things you want to focus on? There's just stories that you go, like, well, that's not a thing I can pay attention to, nor do I think you should.

So we're going to pretend it didn't happen. Yeah, I've pretended that some space needs has not happened for a lot of things now. It's just been like, Vanta comes up, and I'm just like, nope, I'm not interested enough to it. Yeah, you're like at capacity. And it's like, oh, that's... And then you're just...

You can't half as it either, right? So when we're covering some of this stuff, if you want to put content out there about a company or a launch or a mission or whatever, you've got to have some idea what you're talking about. Even if you're not the expert, you got to do enough research so that you can confidently go out there and be like, this is what I've observed, right? And so if you're just like trying to bounce from thing to thing,

you're just going to do everything shitty. Yeah. Yeah. So I know I'm sort of reevaluate. on a lot of these things. There's also the point at which, like, as space gets more mainstream, like, personalities and news stories, the things that get classified as space news grows in a way that I don't think is helpful.

Like, tech news is also a good example of this, the whole Theranos story, Elizabeth Holmes and all that, right? Was that a tech story, though? Like, it got put into tech news a lot, but... It's an ethic story. Right, and that's the thing is, like, but should that be a thing? thing that's like getting headlines on like tech crunch or something you know it because tech has eaten the world in many ways so at certain point like everything can be a tech story you know or Hillary Clinton emails a tech story like to some extent they were but they need to be in tech

crunch you know like and I think space is going through that now especially because of like culture war stuff that has come up so people that try to be in the space news area like the the amount of it's kind of like Hawaii where there's just like new ground being built every day that's sort of where space news is where there's just like new space news every day because there's like more mainstream use cases of it or more people are now aware because there's high profile

personalities and that part you need to like go back two years ago and see how many people paid attention to FAA flight certification nobody did nobody gave a shit

about what the FAA said about your rockets like now everyone's an expert everyone knows like Like, where does this FAA person live? I want to know where they live. How many employees are at the FAA office? That stuff is, like, Starship is so cool.

And that, like, so much of the discourse around Starship versus the FAA is so toxic. It's like. It's real bad. It's real bad. Do you run into these issues? No. You should start tweeting some hot shit at the FAA when you're doing your next launch. That feels like a great idea.

You know, with my faster resources as well, I'm going to start, like, taking the government agency. No, I have not. I mean, it's the regulations for model rockets, the stuff that I usually fly are pretty clear and even up to like something that I want to do in the next two years or so is a space shot, a rocket that does, you know, an apogee of over 100 kilometers. Because, sorry, hot take eight kilometers in space. Sorry, who said that? So either way, like the paperwork, even for that stuff is fairly straightforward. launch is insane. I'm not going to achieve that. But like, a space shot is realistic. So like, even up to that level, the FAA stuff is not that bad. He says, having not done a, you know, space shot paperware. I don't know, Joe, because I was on Twitter recently, and everything I learned there leads me to believe that the FAA literally just burns your application or purposely loses it and doesn't let you do anything fun.

So I think I would double check those regulations. I also, you know, I would, I'm just proposing that we bring Jonathan McDowell onto this show at some point. We have him sit down with you, talk through the 80 kilometer line and honestly like prevent future burnout. Just take 20 kilometers up, man. All right, all right, all right. Let me walk through the reasoning of this. So, like, the only reason that I think that 100 kilometers is based versus 80 is that 100 is a way nicer number. It is a clean division where you're like, cool, if we're going to make it an arbitrary line, which we are already doing because it's totally continuous. It's not discreet.

If we're going to make it an arbitrary line, let's make it an even number that's like really satisfying, right? Okay, we don't need to get into this, but Jonathan McDowell's point was like, it doesn't need to be arbitrary. I don't care about maintaining one orbit with like a rod with like no axial cross-section. So you have like no drag. You can you can orbit a rod at 80 kilometers, fine, but space is 100. I think you should just go for 150 just to be real clear. Just to be safe. So I had an idea.

I don't know that you guys are tuned into like model rocket stuff. So Estes Rockets, the people who make, like, the popular model rocket, because they gave a great new New Shepherd one. Yeah, it's $69 or it's 68. I don't know, it was something unsatisfying. So it maybe it was 70, but, oh, no, Estes was selling it for 69, and Blue Origin put it on their website for 70. Because Jeffrey B doesn't have enough money.

I was going to say, because SpaceX would sell theirs for 69, is what I. Well, they got a fun. the lawsuit, but yeah, so they, I bought it or I pre-ordid it, and I don't think that I'll actually do this, but it was enough of a meme that I was like, this is too good to pass up. I should probably buy one. So the maximum altitude that New Shepherd has ever gone is 118 kilometers. What if you flew a New Shepherd model higher than New Shepherd? 120 is not that much higher. If you're already going 100,

getting to 120 is not that much harder. I support this project. Yeah, 100%. We will put all of our fundraising efforts behind this, which is, you know, tens of thousands, I think, collectively. It's a fun idea. It's an incredible idea, and it would catch wildfire. And I think you should go for it.

I think of the video title. That's like the pitch for me. It's like, think of the video Shepard ever. Yeah. Yeah, I flew New Shepard higher than Blue Origin. Honestly, if you are only looking for the meme material, you only have to go higher than 80 kilometers and beat Virgin Galactic.

Yeah, sure. Oh, can we get, like a Branson action figure? In the New Shepard. Put them in the New Shepard. Do they have a Branson action figure? Probably. I can do some quick Google. Someone has to have made that.

Oh, jeez. What do they go? Like 87 kilometers? Yeah. Something like that. Beat spaceship two. And that would do just as funny, I think, personally. I'm fine.

You do the math on the trajectory planning and how much rockets you need to strap onto the side of this thing. And if you can't make 120, your next target is to beat 87 or whatever. We do have a question in the chat. If you would or would not stay in your designated airspace for this launch, would you leave your designated airspace? For this launch, would you leave your designated airspace? How spicy am I allowed to get on this? All is 100% spicy. There aren't any shows that you should be spicier on.

Yeah. I would leave my designated airspace knowingly, and then I would not terminate the flight because I'm all in it for the glory. Like, I, I cannot believe that. I can 100% believe it. Why would you not believe that?

I can believe it. I just like can't believe it from, a gosh, I understand what you're saying. No, you should definitely say it because I'm, I am, imagine the pilot hovering his finger over the red button being like, wait, it's the meme. It's the two buttons meme. Yeah, it's the two buttons meme.

Like, even down to the pilots, like, I have respect for, I respect for all of the people who like work on the hardware. Yeah, job safety, flight safety. Like, just to be super. clear lots of respect for the engineers and like everyone involved i just i don't i think that's a really bad thing yeah it's a really bad thing and i think it i think it is indicative of like a safety culture that is not healthy it's not good it's very clearly not good like one bad story and i'm like okay well let's let's let's park the breaks and get some more information but now there's

like three or four bad stories like in a row yeah it's been consistent maybe just take take a step back. Confirming every single one of my opinions that I've ever had about Virgin Galactic ever, so I feel vindicated. I am sure there's people listening that work there and I would love to talk to you. And I'm just

number one demoter. Yeah, I just, it is so this has been the MO there. And I'm sure it's steeped into the culture, much like you were just saying, Jake, that like these pilots probably felt like they had no choice because of the environment that is going on Yeah.

And well, when you fire the guy, it was broke up. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And you effectively fired him how, what, two weeks or whatever before the flight. I forget the exact timeline. But he was like stripped of all duties before the flight. He had nothing to do with that flight.

It was that far back. Yeah. So that's just, you know, you know what's going on there. And that's, that's pretty awful. Well, and so the thing I was asking on Twitter, and this is totally wild speculated, the kind of thing you shouldn't do on Twitter. But like, when you have. Twitter is.

for a wild speculation. You should have very intense opinions that are like literally nothing. I come down hard on people that like that rabble rows like. Okay. Yeah. Anyway. So the thing I was asking. This is the most rabble-rousy person of all time.

But you know when I'm rabble-rous. Some people are like really sinister about it. But anyway, so, okay, you have go fever, which is a normal thing. Like all spaceflight has that, right? And we heard all the dangers of that, especially during the shuttle era. Pack that in alongside public shareholder pressure.

I have worked for a big corporate publicly traded company, and there's one priority, it is priority one, two, and three, and it is grow and be better than last year. Like, that is the only priority, right? Can I take a... Somebody made it for us. Is flight safety or job safety?

That's the Alvimar right there. That was Jason in the Discord chat. Thank you, Jason. I appreciate the work there. Just to take a small left turn, the vibe of having Stephen Colbert narrate your launch is like so weird. It's so, I don't know. It just feels so weird. It's very like New York, New York, New Year's Eve ball dropy.

Yeah. And like, he's cracking jokes through the whole thing, and I'm like, I don't have a lot of confidence in this. why are we cracking like yeah yeah I don't know so this is the version Galactic Dunk show looks like all right all right and just one more time just so we're super clear on it like lots of respect for the people who work on these things it's like these problems are almost always just management right it's the same thing with Blue Origin and the PR like it's it's not the engineers like no one who's working on the real hardware at Blue Orden is like yes we want to keep

pursuing this route 100% yeah Which is the part that stinks Because you know there's people there that are like in their dream job They want to do the thing they've always dreamt of doing But they're in an environment where they have to make decisions that aren't They don't believe in right collectively And that that just that sucks Plenty of people at Blue Origin that enjoy their commute

I mean they just really It's a lot of people there they just love it Yeah I've never been to Seattle to be honest so can't tell if I would but it's got a really nice space needle yeah that's what I've heard that's what I've heard I don't know I don't know if I can go back to commute life after six years seven years at home I gotta tell you what the not having a commute is the best thing isn't it great it's great it's so good it's so so good yeah I'm worried this will turn

into a no commute brag show though so we have to be careful all right all right As to all the people that are listening to this on their commute. Thank you. We appreciate you. Thanks. Sorry. Joe, I feel like we skipped out on a conversation that I've had like another question or two about your video frequency.

Okay. I want to know more about your like, because holy shit, I cannot imagine how much work. Everything that goes into these videos collectively, every time I watch one, I'm like, this guy's doing everything. like start to finish. Like I mentioned, from the rockets all the way through, producing a video, audio, visuals. Like, each one of these is a craft of its own

that you have mastery of. And I'm always shocked at, like, when do you do any of those particular tasks that are involved with any of these things? Because I feel like I couldn't put out a video a month like without having also done all of the work in the video per month. I can't even, I can barely put out a podcast.

I haven't put out a podcast in exactly a month, other than the headlines shows. So like, yeah. That is the hardest part of it is the engineering seems, like for however straightforward, the engineering seems, which like, okay, it's not crazy straightforward, but it also is like, if you know what you're doing, it's like, great, there are these like six or seven steps you need to take to make something work. And like the reason, so I spent all day just like soldering PCBs together. And the reason I did that is because yesterday, I made, like, one wrong move when trying to upload some code.

And it bricked a computer. And I ran out of, like, spare computers. And I was like, fine. I guess I'll do all of these now. And so, like, the problem with timeline is it's all of the stuff that you don't anticipate, where it's, like, something breaks and it accidentally adds four weeks to your schedule or whatever. I don't have like a, like I don't, I'm not really a YouTuber. Like I have a YouTube channel, but like a YouTuber is someone who uploads consistently or like even semi-consistently.

And I'm kind of just like, well, probably about time that I upload. So I guess I'll start working on stuff. So you're kind of just, you do the stuff that you want to do work-wise. and then at certain moments you compile what is sensible to compile at the time? Yeah, yeah. So you're just shooting constantly as you work just so that you have all that in the bank?

Is that kind of your model there? On most things. Yeah, on most things. I have a couple of projects that don't get published and most of those are just like, excuse me, like the business also sells these retail products that are like TVC kits or we're working on like one or two other products.

And so like that stuff, it's not worth shooting videos about that because it's just like, well, this is the same thing that it was, you know, a year ago. But yeah, I'm shooting constantly. I fill up one of these. This is like an 8 terabyte hard drive. I fill up one of these, I don't know, every so often. Got to buy more. And at this point, like, I wish I had brought the thing over.

I have like cubic. It's like, it's got to be like a half meter cubic of spinning drives of like footage. and stuff like that. Yikes. That's terrifying to me. The thing about audio is nice and small. Yeah, right. And we do one of these once a month.

That's it. I'm hoping to be a little bit, I mean, I'm going to doom myself right here, but I'm hoping to be a little bit more like prolific this fall with videos. I don't know exactly how to do that. I just have met a couple of people since moving here that I'm like, wow, you are really killing it. and it's oh okay hold on this is the follow on to my comment about me being like bowing last fall

because the thing that i was supposed to end that thought with is that like i'm still building model rockets and it's important okay so it's important to be safe it's important to like you know not hurt yourself but you can cut a lot of corners that i'm not cutting um and there are like like Like, I spend, like, the people who do a good job doing engineering on YouTube are cutting the corners of, like, how it looks or, you know, things that they don't need to replicate a bunch of times. I'm being really vague about this, but it's like processes that you don't need to automate. We're like the act of writing a bunch of code to automate a process is going to take way longer than you will ever recruit. So I'm trying to focus on cutting things down to the minimum viable product.

It's like I'm so mad about the grid fins on Starship. I want them to fold in. But I kind of think it's the same thing where it's like they actually don't need to fold in and it's going to cost us more to make them fold in. Yeah. Yeah. It's that kind of mentality.

It's a good mentality to have. I saw a tweet about that today where it's like the best kept secret in productivity is to start before you're ready, right? That was like the whole thing. Just start. Just get moving. So, okay.

That's good advice. That's good advice. Remember that. Listeners. Like, you're probably going to hit problems either way. So like, just give it a shot. Yeah. Okay.

I love it. There's also the thing that I'm Joe Barnard and I pretty much do whatever I want at this point in time. Like, being comfortable with, That is also, because you can, you can, you can, like, pile on expectations of people that are viewing your stuff. But they like when you like what you're doing. Yeah. And if you don't like what you're doing, then why are you putting a video out?

You know, I, I just mentioned, I haven't done a podcast on the main podcast feed in a month because I haven't had an opinion on anything because it's just been a bunch of launches and spacewalks that have happened. And, like, I'm just kind of not, don't have a lot of opinions on. going on in the world and I try to keep the signal noise high and people have asked like where's the next show and I'm like sorry sometime soon like when there's a thing that happens yeah yeah and I think early on I was not comfortable with that and the last year or two I've been more comfortable with that like this is the rate I have the other the other Miko headline show that I do once a week if you want to hear like all the things that are happening but other than that like I'm keeping this signal noise high and I can only imagine with your you're

what you just described as your process of like shooting everything that you're working on, you know, of this particular column of work that you do, that same thing of like, you know, you started that project in August 2020 and then you were like, didn't have fun with that. So I'll maybe get back to it at some point.

Because I don't know, like when you put that project down, did you think that you were going to get back to it ever? Or did you just consider that like a canceled project? I genuinely don't know. I don't know. I kind of think, like I kept everything.

thing. I kept the vehicle, like, and it didn't change. It was ready to fly. Like, it didn't take a lot of damage when it hit the, it slammed down. Like, percentage-wise, it must be, like, 1% of the possible area that it could have slammed down is concrete. And it hit the concrete. Anyway, but it, that was after the part in the video when you were like, it will, it will hit softly. Like, it won't, it won't hit that hard. Like, the one part that is not grass. But, yeah, I didn't know if I was going to fly it again. I just sort of table. I didn't delete the footage, obviously, and I was like, maybe I'll get around to it at some point. So my buddy, Joey, came to town. His name is also Joe, but he came to town and was like, we should do something fun while he's here.

So naturally, I bought a bunch of fireworks, which I did not publish on the channel, because I was not sure about the legality of that. But a bunch of fireworks. And then I got that rocket ready to try and fly again. For legal reasons, I've never set off fireworks that I shouldn't have. Yeah, that's another. I don't really understand where we're at with firework legislation, because I can buy a lot of them in New Jersey now, and that changed recently. Although I can buy weed in New Jersey now, too, though.

I can't keep track of the fireworks legislation in Canada where we're much more homogenous. In the United States, every 10 minutes, the law has changed, so I can't even imagine trying to keep track of where you're allowed to buy, fly, and sell those things like, oh, my goodness. California really does not like fire. works. Yeah, okay.

Well, I can imagine. Think of a couple of reasons why. I can't think of any reasons why. It's not like there's any risk of starting a fire. Where are we at, Jake? Are we doing, is it picks time? I think it's probably picks time. Yeah, picks and plugs.

Picks and plugs. That's the new end of the thing, right? Picks and plugs. You didn't do a terminal count? No, I didn't. We got to get back to that. We probably do. Yeah. Jake used to do this thing called terminal count where you'd come up with like a 10 question lightning round.

Yeah. Always spicy and hilarious and it's my favorite thing that we've ever done and we've done like three times. I mean, let's do it. I mean, you can come up with them on the spot. No, because they're always written. They're like, it's like a pre-written bit. You need to focus love. I'm not that funny in real time. I need to, I need to workshop in. I think I write a hundred questions and pick the best 10 and, you know, so, yeah. Okay, well, now that I know that you love it so much, I don't think I realize how much you loved it. So I will...

I loved it. Yeah, that's great. Maybe you in my life freaking stable. Yeah, you can wait a month or two. Oh, let me... Let's do a quick plug real quick. Our space podcasting friends who should be on the show sometime in the near future, once we sort things out, over at Relay FM, they... So there's the show Lift-off over at Relay FM. that's Jason Snell and Stephen Hackett.

Stephen Hackett runs Relay FM with Mike Hurley. They do a fundraiser every September for St. Jude. It's like childhood cancer awareness month, I believe, which is topical because Inspiration 4 is taken off in like two weeks. There's a heck of a lot of St. Jude happening right now. There's a lot of St. Jude happening. But they run a fundraiser every September, and it's super rad, and I would recommend everyone checking out Relay FM.

Searching your podcast app, throw it in Google, get to lift off Relay FM somehow, listen to one of their shows, they'll talk about it. I'm just want to point everyone there because it's a super rad thing that they do. Hundreds of thousands of dollars they raise every single September. And I was wondering if Inspiration 4

was targeted for September for that particular reason, or did it just happen to be? Seems like a really good chance that they targeted the middle of September. How much control do they have over that? Because that was also really sticky of a schedule here. Yeah.

I mean, they also did get a McDonald's Playplace installed in a dragon. I was going to bring that up. Did you see the pictures of that? That was a great tweet, by the way. That was really funny. Did you see the picture of it, man? It's a great picture. It does look like it.

That thing is bonkers. That's going to be awesome. So anyway, that's a good transition because I have a pick, Jake. It is the new podcast from Axios called How It Happened with past off-nominal guest Miriam Kramer. William Kramer. I listened to these this morning. She's doing a whole podcast series on Inspiration for. Talk to all of the members, doing like this run-up to the launch,

probably through the launch. I really enjoyed it. It was like a deep dive on the astronauts that are going. I guess that's also a hot take. If they're astronauts or not, Joey probably has a hot take about that. I do not, actually. I don't care. Yeah.

I don't care either. Does that impact your work somehow? Is that really the... No, I just don't. I don't even give a shit. Like, you go to space or you don't. It's fine. I don't know who's an astronaut.

They're all going higher than I'm going, so that's... It is a... It was a great listen. I really enjoyed it. There was some really good stuff that I didn't... Like, Jared Isaacman was talking about how the opportunity even came about. He was trying to invest in SpaceX, apparently. And then, like, offhandedly...

mentioned I would like to be a customer someday and they sold them a space mission, which is hilarious. So definitely take a listen. It's awesome. Selling a space mission is the much better thing because you still get money, but you don't have to give any of your company back. It's a much better deal for SpaceX. Yeah, you just waste a second stage in a dragon trunk. That's it. Yeah, not a big deal. Get everything else back. Yeah. Okay. And you make a sweet McDonald's Playplace. It's so funny. Which they can reuse for another mission, I guess, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And then it'll be like a real McDonald's playplace where they're going to have some other kid's snot on it. 100%. Oh my God. Are those banned during COVID? They must be, right?

Anyway. McDonald's playplaces? I don't know. What does Chuck E. Cheese do during COVID? Interestingly, I talked about this earlier today. There was a Chuckie Cheese in West Philadelphia that hit the news last year because somebody was on like DoorDash Yeah you know

Somebody was on like DoorDash or Uber Eats or one of those And they ordered pizza from a place that they thought Was the locally named joint I forget the name of the pizza place was And it showed up in a Chuckie Cheese box And then they called their driver Yes yes Chuckie Cheese was selling pizza under a different brand name

And then send it out to people's houses So that's what they're doing during COVID Is they're doing Ghost Kitchen On like DoorDash or whatever yeah so the Westphilly Chucky Cheese you can get some pizza I should have ordered for dinner tonight but I didn't oh yeah it's Pasquale's that's that's what it was yeah I really enjoyed that story that's a great story yeah anyway that was my pick all right it's both axiose how it happened and Chuckie cheese in Westphilly so I have a pick that probably everybody knows this is not like a shiny new thing

but I've been really into the National Hurricane Center website. As are we all, yes. This is what kind of a geek I am. But as I mentioned, this is probably the last show I do in Canada for a while because I am relocating on a bit of an adventure to Mexico to try and live a more less burnouty life. So the great thing about Mexico is that it is warm. The less great thing is that hurricanes hit it sometimes.

So I have been staring at this website, and it's great because it has like all of your favorite goes satellite imagery, Anthony. Thank you. I know you love the goes satellites. But yeah, and then you get to look at all these pretty cool like forecasts where they're telling you which way they're going and they get these nice cones. And I'm learning everything about her. I grew up in the middle of the Canadian prairie. So I don't know anything about hurricanes. I have just no clue.

Like, I'm just like, how big is the storm? Rain? What is that? You know, like, but yeah. So it's been really fun for me. So I encourage everyone to check it out because you can actually get a lot of pretty good information. That's my pick, National Hurricane Center. Shout out to Noah.

Shout out. Yeah. Have you been following? You should get on, are you on Eric Berger's weather beat as well? Yeah, I got to get more into that. We had so many in the Discord this past week that just found out that Eric Berger Space Reporter was the same as Eric Berger Weather Reporter. Like, they just discovered this.

I didn't know that. Well, wait, what? Yeah. But it was even funnier because they knew about Eric Berger Space Reporter, and they knew about Eric Berger meteorologist, and they didn't know it was the same person. Oh, my God. Joe's mind is blown right now. Yeah, all right.

I mean, I don't know Eric Berger a lot. Adrian. It was Adrian the spreadsheet guy. We found another one of the 10,000. This is great. Yeah. Yeah. What a day, huh? Yeah. It's a big weather guy. Joe, Joe, do you have a pick of any variety? What is a pick? Just the thing you recommend, something you've been enjoying lately,

anything like you've been listening to while you're working. Yes. Websites, movies, podcasts, YouTube channels, social media accounts, favorite space merchandise t-shirts that you've enjoyed recently can I have two picks yeah you can have as many as you want there's no rules here all right

uh okay hold on Tyler's asking if we brief guests on what picks are or not and I think we did but it might have been via email that I don't know that Joe saw so it's okay okay one is my favorite song

which is Etamami by BBNO dollar sign, which is baby no money. It's a banger. The lyrics are insane and you can't understand any of it. This sounds like some Gen Z stuff that I don't know about. It's great. Say the artist again.

E B, B, B, N, N, Z, N, the letter O. Shift, $4.00, $1. I think he just rooted my iPhone. Okay, so that's a great song. And then my second pick is like a legitimate thing. that you should actually do. Don't look at that song. But the second one, all right, cool.

The second one is by, I think my favorite author, who's Adam Grant, and it's called Think Again, the power of knowing what you don't know. So he makes, my favorite book by him is called Originals, which is about like creativity. And there's one about, is one called give and take, which is about like people who are like naturally generous or naturally like try to do reciprocity,

is like a really mechanical thing. It's very interesting. He's a social psychologist. Anyway, he's got a new book called Think Again, which is about like how the people who are like who continue to succeed are people who are like continuously question their own beliefs. It's really interesting.

Well, yeah. Anyway, that's a lot today. I had a boss in my old corporate life who swore by Adam Grant. He's like, that was like Adam Grant was his personal business philosophy. It's like his, his North Star was do what Adam Grant would do. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's great to have like one North Star, but Adam Grant is not a bad one to pick if you're going to pick one. Yeah.

Mine is you, Joe. Is that acceptable? Really? Yeah. You've got to pick a better North Star, man. Have you seen that milk video? We didn't talk about that milk at all. Wait, can I tell you, can I tell you something?

So I have a beer today, right? But I was like 45-65 on debating if I should do this other thing, which was a milk-based drink. And so when I was in college, how much of a story can I tell here? As long of a story as you want. We can go another hour if it's that long of a story. What I was a, was I was, if you're one of my parents, turn off the podcast. When I was in college, there was this terrible class.

The class was so bad that I actually failed it, but I didn't fail it because I did poorly. I failed it because the teacher didn't get my exam in his inbox. Like he didn't see my email in his inbox, and then he didn't think to check, and he just failed me. It was like two weeks of like talking with the dean to like get it to a B plus. But, um,

that's all right now your parents to turn off the podcast. They should hear that story because they probably don't believe you know that story. They just don't know the following. which is that we knew this class was really bad. I had it with a couple of friends. And at one point, we were like, we should go to this class in an altered state. And to achieve that altered state,

you have to have like a couple of drinks. And we didn't like have a lot in our apartment. We had three different liquids. One of them was water, like just Boston tap water. one of them was five o'clock vodka and I looked it up in preparation for this five o'clock vodka you can get a handle of it for $13 it is that's a brand it's the good stuff then yeah if you look it up like you'll you'll see it it's terrible like it's totally like super thin plastic you know it's really bad so you don't want to drink it straight and then the third one was milk like I had milk in

the fridge and so the drink that I was going to make I made up when I was in college and it was out of necessity to like get into an altered state before this class. We called it a farmer's boy and it's like one shot of vodka, one shot of like really shitty vodka and then like four or five shots of milk. Shots of Marvers Boy. Did you pour the milk into the shot glass and do like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to measure it out. Did it come all messed up if you don't. No, it didn't hurdle. It wasn't good. I mean, it was very bad.

But I was like, this is a funny enough thing that, like, I could almost do it for the show. Yeah, you do. But, yeah, yeah. Wow, this is 5 o'clock stuff, man. I'm looking at it. Their gin looks like milk. Like, do you find it? Yeah, 5 o'clock.

There it is. We did another drink with the water and it's just water down vodka. And I can't repeat the name of that on the air. But it's, we did. you were in college like the the the bar for what is a good drink is extremely low you're just looking for utility yeah at a certain point yeah it's it's funny so in in in western canada we have this drink called a paralyzer and i grew up with it and it's very normal and then every time i leave western Canada and ask for it everyone's like are you kidding me you drink that but it has

milk in it because of the uh well it's a creamy drink so you basically like you put because of big milk well yeah probably the dairy yeah a vodka especially up in Canada they're pretty hard-core we were very hardcore a little bit of vodka a little bit of calua and then

coke ice and then you put the milk you pour the milk very slowly you pour the milk very slowly like cascading over an ice cube to like really chill it as it enters the drink and because it gets cold enough it won't curdle

if you do it right it doesn't curdle and then you like make this nice, it like cascades down like a milk rain into the drink. And it's delicious. It's like a coffee drink. What if, what if hear me out you just didn't put the milk in? Yeah. Sounds like a lot of work. It also sounds like you need a special kind of ice cube to do that.

Like you need a fancy cocktail ice cube to do that, which is hilarious. You ask for that in a bar in Calgary and no one will bat an eye. Let me just tell you that. All right. Wow. Let's make a great one for you. Oh, and someone dug up the tweet where I. I made it to. Yeah. So there's a video. We can show you later. A video of my making.

But anyway, so that was, that reminded me of that. If you asked me to write down what the paralyzer was, I would never write that collection things down ever. I feel like the paralyzer would just be like you combine four loco and fireball or something. Four local. I forget that that exists. Yeah. I don't know what it is. I would like to have one at some point, like a proper original four loco with the caffeine and the alcohol. Oh yeah, they discontinued that. Oh, yeah, they're gone. There's various, but.

We used to have something, what was it called? Oh, my God, it was the same sort of thing. It had vodka in it and it had like Red Bull. It was like Torrine and it was all mixed together in one can. And they sold it for like 10 minutes before it was illegal. And like it just really messed you out because it was like, and they made the same drink illegal. Like you couldn't sell. a Red Bull and alcohol together, like a yaggar bomb, right?

You couldn't sell that together in a bar. You can't, well, you can't here in Canada. They'll sell you one separately and you mix it yourself if you want to take it. Yeah, I was going to say, can just go up and order one and go up and order another one. And the same thing is like they couldn't do it in the stupid can because it was awful. It was like a heart attack in a can, but anyway. Anyway, we missed the plugs portion. Joe, people have heard about your videos off and on here, but I would like, if, if some,

Someone has not experienced a joke video. If they've listened to you for last hour, talk about your work, and they've never actually heard of you. Yeah, what's your pitch on this? Okay, yeah, yeah. So I am at the YouTube channel, BPS.S. If you look at BPS, it will probably come up. I make model rockets that are super advanced.

They don't just use fins, they use little guidance computers that, like, they steer themselves and the GPS and all of that stuff. You should check it out because it's great and you won't regret it. Here's me talking about one. This is my favorite part, too. Here, I got to hit the audio. I named the rocket Shrek because I watched Shrek the musical. It's a good musical, by the way.

So that rocket, I named it track. Each E stands for one stage, so it's a three-stage rocket. This is the, you got to watch this video. It's just, I mean, it really goes with the thing of, like, I do whatever I want at this point. So I named it Shrek. but yeah if you want to follow what I do BPS based the YouTube channel is a great place and also I'm I had too active on Twitter at Joe Barnard I tweet a lot about half of it is nonsense

and yeah I mean that's that's pretty much it there's well no you're a recently sprouted launch photographer as well oh my gosh you should see I have a gorgeous shot it so you'll have to, legally speaking, you will have to follow me on Twitter in order to see this shot. But I have a really good shot of the Firefly launch anomaly on my Twitter. Once again, at Joe Barnard. It's, I mean, the resolution

is great. The dynamic changes. There's a lot of other people who are in Lompoc like shooting this video off a hillside. Right, right. But I got it from L.A. better than anyone else. There were a lot of unanswered questions after everyone looked at the NSF footage. And so when they pulled up yours, they were able to answer that.

I see what happened here. That definitely wasn't FD.S. I can't believe we didn't talk at all about the Firefly thing. Or the Astro. We did a little bit. Oh, the Ashtra thing. Let's do a quick Astra hit. Oh, my goodness.

Yeah. Can I go on a soapbox? Yeah, yeah. I have a couple questions that maybe Joe can answer, but let's hear your Astro take. Here's my soapbox. You can cancel me if you have to. The GNC for that is not that impressive. Like, I am not that.

I am not as impressed as a lot of people are. I feel like there's a lot of takes on this that it's like, wow, the GNC is amazingly impressive on this. If you're measuring your thrust by just like taking your acceleration and your known mass, which will like change a little bit with your burn rate because you have one engine out, but not meaningfully, like that's just how a guidance system should work. It's not some amazing feat that you can guide a rocket with one engine out because you'll just have like, even if you don't have an integrator term, you have a steady-state error that, like, clearly you're going to drift out.

Thank God the engine was out in the direction of not the pad. But, like, otherwise, I don't think it's that impressive. I'm not trying to, like, shit on Astra, but I just, like, I can, I, like, know how that stuff works. And it's... You're not buying the hype. You're not buying that. That's what. it would absolutely be able to keep itself upright in any like respectable guidance system.

But it is impressive. It is impressive from a meme potential. Oh my God. This roughly sideways. Like that DWR is exactly one. Yeah. I have a question. I have a serious question.

Yeah. How far sideways can you fly before you have to trigger the flight termination system? Okay. So this is another. discussion that I had with a bunch of friends. Because why was that shit still allowed to drift like that direction for a long time until they were like, well, it'll go up eventually. I mean, it was traveling in the right direction, right? For travel? It was going down range. Wasn't it? I don't know. I guess it was. I disagree with some of my friends on this. But like,

if I am on, if I'm the person on the FTS button, I am letting that thing go exactly as far as it went. Oh, I probably wouldn't hit the button either. I just, I'm honestly serious about like, that's a valid direction. Like, that's a valid. Depends on the direction. Depends on the direction. Yeah,

I guess if it's going inland, if it is going to right direction, like kill it immediately. Like, if you, if it left the pad in the direction it went and then it started like turning around to go inland, like goodbye. Or if you saw like any degree of tilt,

like it was going to go off in a different direction or something. Yeah, yeah. Did you see where, um, so it wasn't three point. It was like Rocket 3.0 or something. The one that oscillated a bunch before it exploded like 30 seconds in.

I don't know if you ever saw where the impact was, but that thing went north. Like, it went north and inland a little bit. And that was definitely like an FTS not great thing. But for... Certified FTS not great thing. Joe B certified Whatever they just did Like how far

Is it allowed to drift? I think it's totally at the discretion of knowing that like Well we know it's drifting out toward the ocean So even if it were to like Even if it were to hover like that Until a full depletion It's not going to go anywhere harmful It went full Nauka and just

Ranted depletion My God Yeah They're eventually waxed We can't even cover the bomb. I think this is my argument of like like AFTS is good, especially if you have a proven vehicle. But if you have an unproven vehicle, like I imagine it's a total,

we know that like the military is the one who terminated the firefight flight, which is like they terminated it later than they should have if they had an automated system. But like you can learn a lot from those few seconds of non-termination where you see how your system behaves an incredibly strenuous circumstance. Yeah, like Firefly got a lot of good data, I bet. You see that flip, man? That was insane.

Their vehicle held together. Yeah. They were supersonic. My gosh. Mad props. Mad props, indeed. Yeah. But from a, from a guidance perspective,

like, it's, you can learn a lot of interesting things about how their guidance works, from seeing like the flight profile that it seemingly tries to fly and like I don't know it was very interesting and also I like hyperventilated when it left the pad and tipped over I don't know what you guys but like if you guys were watching like I assumed you like freaked out when it did that so I I missed this launch like I was just I was busy wrapped up in something and I was like I went back and I like sat on my couch I'm like well I'm all done now better check in on that astor launch and I like went into the disco and people were like uh what is happening

i was like oh was this supposed to be weird i just remember i was watching it and my wife was watching it too and she doesn't like she's not a space person but she sees some of the launches and she's like i don't i don't think that's right i'm like it's definitely not right and then immediately it's like oh this is going to this is going to crash and blow up immediately and then it just you're like this is going to fall back, hit the ground. Or like, thank God the fence had an opening. That's true. Yeah, there's so many things. Thank God. The biggest meme for me is they like, they like shoot the gap through the opening and the fence going no TWR, totally sideways. And the narrator is like, well, our next objective

is Max Q. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to the webcast being really interesting ideas lately. That one. was particularly good because there was not wrong but how do they not if if jake and i were webcasting that like we would have made noises at least there would have been like oh oh i'm pretty sure you can hear it i'm pretty sure you can hear someone when it tips go oh like if you listen close i think you can i legit think you can hear it you need to the entire control you got to put the filter on to get the subsounds like you for firefly where they call abort at t minus three is that the one we got to talk about that we have to talk about Let's go. We're still going. The T-minus-3 abort conspiracy.

That's what we need to talk about. That is, I think it's indicative of one of two things. Either it's a really loose comms net, and like, it clearly is a loose comms net. I want to emphasize before I say any of this, I build model rockets. Like, I should not be taken seriously. But your comms etiquette should be way tighter than that. Like, you shouldn't be talking about fires on the pad in the main loop while the vehicle is flying. No.

Nothing's on fire. Is anything on fire? Nothing so far. Yeah, like you should. It's not the right. And you also shouldn't sound shocked. Right. That is going out to the public.

Don't be shocked that nothing's on fire. And didn't that part sound like it was like, he was kind of like, just ran out there. Everything's all good. Didn't see any fire. It's like, you know. No, man. Just got back.

It's all good. Um, that was pretty fun. But I think it's either one of two things. And I think it's probably number one. So number one, is either it's a loose comms net and he's like, here is the criteria for abort. And or something to that effect where it's like,

not an actual abort, but he's talking about something in reference to an abort. Like, hey, the engines are, should I abort? Yeah. Or it's an actual abort. Red light turned on in my console that says I'm going to go out of my FAA flight space. Should I, yeah, my airspace?

Right. Or it's someone calling an actual abort. And this is the thing that I don't think it is, is it someone calling an actual abort and then the vehicle not aborting, which is like, I doubt it. They've had that thing out at the pad for a year. Like, they've had time to reverse things. I doubt it.

We'll never find out. Yeah. We'll never know. Actually, never know. Yeah. But if you are on that comms net, let us know. Hit us up. For sure.

I'm enjoying the, like, the round robin of weird space things that we've had to just, like, drum up some theories on this. It's been a good episode, yeah. I'm happy with that. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, I feel better. Do you think there was an engine out?

I've heard some theories that like 20 or 30 seconds into the flight, they had an engine out. I mean, I also saw the Scott Manly tweet, and yeah, it looked like an engine sound. It seems plausible, yeah. I don't know, maybe they should use that aerojet rocket on engine that they signed a deal with. That seemed like a great idea from the start, right? Did they buy one? No, they just signed like a deal last IAC, and it was made me kind of. mad. It's not the AR1, right? That's what they signed a deal for, but who knows what they're going

to do with that? I remember how mad you were about that. So angry. They had a press conference, and we went to this press conference at IAC, and there was like 11 people at the press conference, and so they announced this thing, and they opened it up for questions, and Anthony's like, he's looking around because he's like, I can't be the first person to ask the question. I waited for Jeff Faust. I'm a podcaster. Jeff Faust has to answer it. ask a question for it and then like he they did it and so yeah in my fan blog i can't be uh can't be jumping in so what did you ask what did you ask oh i don't remember i asked him i asked i don't know i asked i asked the question and then i waited for everyone else to not raise their

hands again and i just raised my hand again and asked some more questions and it just became it was along the lines of like what is this for i think the the traditional media was uh pretty flummoxed by what was happening was that the same one where they were like pitching us a new space conference that's a different one right it was in the same room but it was like yeah that was a different thing was when they were like you have to come to the ascend we got like timeshare pitched on a space conference yeah by way of tory bruno there's there we do not need more space conferences it was really weird it was recently departed from blue origin rob myerson and tori bruno pitching us on us and uh marylin did

it was the coalition for deep space exploration conference yeah it was a weird that was a weird but No, the Firefly one was totally different, but it was right after they signed this deal with AirJet, and I was kind of mad about it. Okay, does anyone know, like, what the state of AR1 is? Because I'm wondering what it's like to be Tori Bruno, to have no engines, to be, like, significantly behind schedule and, like, be mad about not having AR1. So, like, what is... Hold on. They say they still... Isn't the hot take that, like, B4 is behind schedule, but not that far behind schedule?

but not that far behind schedule, I'm probably less far behind schedule than AR1 would be. That was the most recent line. Was that like, oh, no, no, no, AR1, we'd still be behind. Did my camera die? What's happening here?

Yeah, you're gone. We can hear you, though. We can hear you. You look great. You look skeptical. It's perfect. It's a perfect Anthony win. I mean, any program is behind schedule.

Like, yeah, yeah. But. Well, when was Vulcan supposed to fly? Like, this fall? That was like the original. I think so. And it'll definitely be 2022. Well, don't say definitely, but it looks like it. What happened to my camera?

I don't know, man. Oh, I'm on this side camera now. Look at this. What is happening? Am I back? I'm still not back. You're not back. I'm going to be this stationary image for the rest of the show. Yeah, that looks great, man. That's a good look for you. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Can you bring up a browser window? Can you like show us other things? So, okay, hold on.

While we're doing this, so what does Firefly want AR1 for? I think they didn't. I think what they had to do is accept AR1. And because, here, I'm going to use my shitty webcam here, straight out of the monitor. They didn't want AR1. What they wanted was expertise on whatever their other engine was up to. Like, maybe they wanted some engine help. and they signed a deal for

you know working on Revers and whatever else they were working on and then also AirJet was like okay but you got to use you got to use A-R-1 for something and they were like we'll use it on beta we'll use it on the next one God

that's odd because isn't Firefly like isn't most of their engine design or booster design Ukrainian that's the whole thing about Firefly they're really wrapped up in this whole the Pollyacov guy right So man we're really doing a post Picks show I love this

People are going to be like Picks this is great we're done And we're like there's one thing I love It's funding my booster with like Russian dating websites So that's the thing is that they got They got removed on or Max Poliakov And some related individuals

Were removed from the Firefly website recently and they did a funding round To like further dilute their shares So that they are no longer majority owners. There was some drama where the Department of Defense

was not thrilled with that arrangement. They were not thrilled with whatever came out of that Snopes's investigation of how shady Max Poliakov is. And I think Ukrainian dating sites is like a generous description of what was going on there.

But he is like, I found it weird with the webcast because he had been like organizationally ousted from what I could tell from the outside and what little I knew from the inside from like various little birdies but then they were talking about him during the webcast and the new sphere logo was up on the on the rocket last night

so the last six months I've been convinced that they've been like cut off and they were just marginally involved but then last night it seemed like they were back in the driver's seat so not sure what's going on there but it's not a great arranging I would say for what they're trying to do long term. There's the tick.

There's the tick. Much to consider. Okay. So that's what Joe's working on. Yeah, for sure. Is that where we start? All right. All right.

What are you working on, Jay? Jeez. Oh, man. Well, so, yeah, I'm working on moving to Mexico next week. So that is... Where in Mexico? Are you allowed to say? Yeah, I'm moving to a place in the Yucatan Peninsula.

Oh, this is this nice picture, man. Yeah, it's not far from Cancun. So it's like a city called Marita, which is lovely, beautiful city. It's where the dinosaurs got killed. Yeah, it's right in the middle of Chitolute Crater. Like, it's geology mecca, which I'm pretty excited. Yeah. I'm hoping

that I can drive 30 minutes north to Progresso Beach right on the top of the peninsula and watch Starship go to orbit. That's kind of what I'm hoping. Oh, cool. Yeah. So that's a... I'm hoping you'll be able to get into the country by then, to be frank, but I don't know,

I'll accept that as well. Well, Matt, I don't know how many more vaccines I can get. We'll see if the... Yeah, you're triple-dosed up. I'm triple-dose. Are you number three? I'm three, baby. Oh, man.

own. And he got like, a mix. He got like two R&As and one regular one. Yeah, I got an AstraZeneca and double Moderna.

So I got, you got the B team of all the varieties. I really wanted to get Miser and collect the whole set, but it wouldn't let me. Yeah, yeah. No,

you're going to collect them all for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's like Pokemon, right? And then, yeah, so I'm leaving next week

and then hopefully, once I finally get there, that's like the end of my two-year journey to cure my burnout is to change my life. And so hopefully then I can start working on real projects again, because I have a bunch of stuff on the back burner, as we all do. And go from there. And otherwise, I've been like making mad joke t-shirts that have been doing pretty well.

Yeah, you've been merchandising this shit. Can we talk about, yeah, can we talk about your t-shirts for a sec? So the, immensely whatever and incredibly whatever, sorry, immensely complex and incredibly high-risk. That shirt, I wore it. I was extremely proudly in that video. Like, intentionally, I was like, this needs to be wrapped. Between that, the NASA Comic Sans logo. So I have a friend who works at NASA, and she was like, like, I walked out of a room

into the room that she was in, and she, like, visibly reched at the NASA Comic Sands logo. Yeah. So my funniest story with that one is that, so if you remember when in the old the old administration, there was the Jim Brynstein was the administrator and the director of comms was Patina and Klan.

And she saw that tweet and she messaged me and she's like, what are you doing? Like you can't No, no, no, no, no. She DM'd off nominal and said, who did this? Yeah, who did this? And she had met

the designer or whatever and she's like, they would not like this at all. And I'm like, well, That's what it is. And then he died the next week. Yeah, he died. Oh, I, so I wore it on the day that it was announced and I felt deeply bad about it. Yeah. I was like, this is, I'm a bad person.

I didn't get to. I think he would have understood what was going on there and he would have hat tipped to the reference. Yeah. I like to think of it as an homage because the NASA Worm has that sort of a place. in our hearts where it is loved and hated all at the same time, and that is its legacy. It does always, it should always be contentious. I think it's hated by exactly one person,

and that person is the one who canceled the usage of the NASA worm. I think everyone else is just fine. Okay, all right, all right, moving on, though. So then I also have the, I have the Mars 2020 parachute shirt, which is great. You've got like all my shirts. I love that shirt. I mean, you can check your records, like it's all. And you're wearing Delta Yeat right now.

Delta Yeat. This one's great. This one is starting to disintegrate because I've watched it a bunch. So like I'm probably going to get a new one. Send them. What are the other ones that I have? Just send them some shirts. I know.

I just send them. They're great shirts though. They're comfy too. Yeah, I like them. But yeah, this immensely complex one is hilarious because it went kind of viral because a bunch of people posted it on Reddit. So like the SpaceX Reddits and stuff. And so there are these like scammers that go around and they search for,

they search for tweets and they search for Reddit posts that are like, you know, people that are that say, oh my God, I need this on a shirt. You know, like that comment we see everywhere. They like find that thing. Then they go to the picture and they steal the picture and they throw up a shop. And so overnight, like there are now if you like if you want to buy this shirt, I really appreciate that. Do not Google it.

Do not Google it. Go only to the links that we see on our websites because there are just dozens and dozens and dozens of scammers that have put it up now. So if you Google, do a Google image search for immensely complex and high risk, and you will see just hundreds of. It's 100% not Jake, all those links.

It's unbelievable. I reported a few of them and then I just gave up. And the crazy thing. Wait, tell them about the one that you found with Joe's name in it too. Yeah, and I think because your tweet had the thing, and so they're just like, it's bots and they're just

pulling the text. And so the thing was posted as we Martians, Joe Barnard immensely complex's t-shirt. That was what you had to buy. Somebody just said, another evolve into that shirt. It's so funny. Yeah, you getting commissions on that one, Joe? Like, what's that way? You get kickbacks?

Jake, where's the kickback, man? Yeah, thanks for all. Thanks for all right. Joe's getting Ali Baba kickbacks. So, and the stupid thing. So there were, there were some YouTube videos that were posted, like in support of the scammer.

So they would like create a 3D model of the shirt and spin it on the YouTube channel for 15 seconds. Would they do the robot voice that like all those YouTube videos that read news articles? Yeah. And then they, they would put the link in the YouTube description, right? I reported a couple of those videos to YouTube as copyright infringement.

and YouTube's auto moderator bot terminated my channel. I was like, I am losing to these bots so hard. I am getting absolutely pung by these bots right now. Man, that's... Thankfully, there was this listener who was very gracious and sent me a message, and he's like, I work at Google. I can try and help you from the inside, and he did. So I got my channel back, but like, oh, my goodness,

it was unbelievable what happened with you. It's incredible. It's quite a story, yeah. That's what I've been up to, fighting Autobot scanners. That's what happens when you make a really good shirt. It's a really funny shirt. And no one's going to know unless they do know. And if they do know, like, I had, so I'm on a new monitor now for my computer.

This is a very adjacent story. When I was editing that video that I just posted, my monitor died. And I had to drive to Best Buy and be like, all right, I don't care what it is. I just need a new screen for a computer. And the person working the checkout was like, what is your shirt mean? And I was like, honestly, it is very hard to explain how deep of a meme is this. What I think is nice about it, though, is that it has like that deep meme meaning, but it also is just kind of like a mood. You know, like, like, how do you explain like, okay, here's the situation.

Basically, there are these two companies. Yeah. Okay, so NASA's going back to the moon, right? Well, this is what I've been saying about all these infographics. If you read every word on those infographics to a friend that doesn't really know about space, they would be thrilled that this was happening in our timeline. They would be like, holy shit, this is the coolest thing I could have ever heard in my life. And yet, it's like, you know, this is them doing an epic takedown.

The origin slams, SpaceX's Moonlander. It could be like one of those YouTube videos. But then you read somebody else and they're like, sounds pretty freaking cool. Like, I'm going to get into space just because of this thing that you've just told me about. That sucks. Yeah. So that's what Jake's been working on. Anthony, what are you working on?

This segment is now 40 minutes long. Not a lot. There's not a lot going on, Jake. I could be real. I haven't released an episode since last time we did this podcast, so I'm less frequent than off nominal at this point. You don't have like a 40-minute take on why a lawsuit for the Artemis Lander is not good. Oh!

I just like, I, Eric, the, my most recent show is me and Eric Berger, and we, I, we, we, we said all the stuff we had to say and then every news story just kept confirming the things that we just said so i was like well i don't need to put out new stuff like that's just it's the most recent show geoffrey fun it yourself god i just do it yourself stop making stop hurting everyone else do it yourself joe does it his self pave the way put you back into it just patreon i don't like a patreon i don't like i i'd like i'd like i'd like i'd like i'd like i'd like Love it. Only fans. He could do OnlyFans. They're trying to branch out. I would subscribe to Jeffrey Bases's Onlyfans. I'll say it publicly. I would subscribe.

$5 a month. I would have to. It would be news content. Yeah. Anyway, that's a good spot to exit on. So bye, everybody. Let's go.