Off The Telly - Could Danny Dyer fight a buffalo?

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

What are we watching? Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page chat about all things telly.This week they catch up about the celeb version of Bake Off for Stand Up To Cancer on Channel 4, Andrew Scott’s Ripley on Netflix, plus some animal antics in the latest David Attenborough series called Mammals on BBC iPlayer.In Off the Telly, Natalie and Joanna talk about what they can’t stop watching, what they definitely aren’t going to bother with, and what you’re all watching at home. From new shows to comfort telly to guilty pleasures, there’s no judgement here. What’s kept us all glued to our screens this week?Self-confessed TV addicts and stars of two of the biggest shows on our screens, EastEnders and Gavin and Stacey, Natalie and Joanna are the perfect companions to your weekly viewing habits.Get in touch by sending us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to 03306 784704.Hosts: Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page Producer: Georgia Keating Executive Producer: Richard Morris Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts Unit Manager: Lucy Bannister Sounds Editor: Arlie Adlington Music by MCassoOff The Telly is a BBC Studios Audio Production for BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts And this is the podcast where we have a natter about the telly we've been watching this week. There might be a bit of swearing because sometimes we just can't control ourselves. And also, there might be some spoilers. Although, saying that, right, well, there will be spoilers. But I think we've toned it down on how many episodes we're watching now. In the beginning of this, I was like, boom, come on, let's do the whole six. But now I'm enjoying just easing myself in. Yeah, and I think I also had some messages from our lovely listeners saying as much as we've warned about the spoilers, that they actually really want to listen to us. So they had to keep pausing what they'd not watched.

So I think it's quite nice for us to just watch a little bit, dip into it, have a chat about it and then kind of watch it as our listeners do. Yeah. Which is good. I agree with you. Oh, have you seen that Leo Woodall from One Day, which obviously I was just destroyed and devastated by, is in the new Bridget Jones film that's being made? I have seen that on Instagram. Yes, I have. What did you think about that? Well, who is he playing? Don't know.

And I don't really care, to be honest, because when they're not sort of in the characters, like, you know, from one day, I'm not that bothered. No, fair enough. What is the new story supposed to be about? I have no idea, but you know what? Whoever's producing it, they've thought, he's really popular, one day he's popular, he's good, get him in it.

So, you know, it's good, really. Yeah, I bet he'll be really good because you've not seen any of The White Lotus, have you? No. Because that, obviously, is where I first saw him. Yes. He really stood out in my mind as that character because it's a real, you know,

I mean, he's got a great character in it and he really stood out in my mind and I thought, oh, I could never imagine him being anything else. And then you watched... And then he was Dexter in London. I was like, oh, my God, he's now Dexter. So I'll probably watch him in the Bridget Jones film and be like, oh my God, he's whatever he's going to be in that.

Phil. Phil. Michael. Ted. Derek. That's a game, isn't it? Well, speaking of one day, we've had a message from a listener called joe

who said hi nat and joanna just finished one day on your recommendation not my normal sort of thing and i'm broken we got engaged after being together 17 years at arthur's seat last year and get married in july and the bit at the end where he takes his daughter up arthur's seat broke me makes you cherish what you've got and live for the now. Oh, that's lovely, Jo, your soppy sausage. That's really, really sweet, isn't it? It is. It is really, really sweet. And it's beautiful up there. It was lovely, wasn't it?

It was. It was. And that bit in the end where he goes all the way up there with his daughter and they just look out over there. All right, it's over now get over it we've watched it and we've spoken about it right joe what shows are we talking about today right well our first one is the great celebrity bake-off for stand up to cancer and you can watch it on channel four and our next one is ripley which you can catch on netflix and our last one will be mammals which is going to be on BBC One

or you can catch it on iPlayer. Let's get on to show one. The great celebrity bake-off for Stand Up To Cancer on Channel 4. Now, I've watched this for years. I don't know about you. Me too. On and off, you know.

It's not something that I religiously sit down to watch, but they're all on catch up or record they're recorded you know and I'll put it on whenever I want and um it's just a lovely fun heartwarming show isn't it it is I think it's just fantastic I mean I don't think any show makes me laugh so much and then cry so much at the same time yes I think it's great the way that they do the episode and they do the show because, you know, it makes you sit down and watch. You know, you might want to shy away from the stories

of, you know, the people who have had cancer and who are living with cancer and who are dealing with it because it's so heartbreaking to watch all of the stories really. Well, you know, it's all heartbreaking and cancer is a horrible, horrible thing. But I think it's great that that show is on and we can watch those stories. We can either look after ourselves, check places that we might not. You know, it makes me think as well, you know, about that subject, even though you don't want to think about it ever. But we do need to check our bits and pieces

and be aware of it because now it affects one in two. Yes, yeah. But I think it's really, really good to remember it's out there, to be vigilant. And also, we're raising so much money for it through this show.

Do you know what I mean? People are texting in. They raise so much money, Channel 4, for all cancer. And obviously, the show's just great fun as well. I mean, it's great fun. It's a great laugh. people are texting in they raise so much money channel four for cancer um and obviously the show's just a great fun as well i mean it's great fun it's a great laugh i mean it's just it's brilliant to watch and i think it's just brilliant because you watch it and you're laughing away and then you know you listen to the stories and it makes you go my god i want to pick up the phone

and i want to you know give money absolutely i want to help with this yeah and so i think it's just it works just so so well and also i think it makes you feel very grateful and you you know, give money because I want to help with this. Yeah. And so I think it's just, it works just so, so well. And also I think it makes you feel very grateful and, you know, you hold your loved ones closer. Yeah. And you can be sat there as a family and you think, I'm just so lucky. Yeah.

You know, touch wood. Yeah. I'm so lucky and you've got to cherish everything, haven't you? Cherish every moment. You really, really do. So I watched, what one have you watched? Because I had to watch. Yeah. My Old M? Because I had to watch My Old Mucker.

I had to watch Danny Dyer's Ep. I watched Danny Dyer's Ep. Did you? Yes. Good. Because I just love him. I think he's fantastic. My mum, I was thinking about which one to start with watching.

And my mum was like, oh my God, you've got to watch Danny Dyer's. He's absolutely brilliant. I mean, he's just so funny. And she was telling me all about it. So I thought, right, OK, I'm going to watch Danny Dyer's. He's absolutely brilliant. I mean, he's just so funny and she was telling me all about it. So I thought, right, okay, I'm going to start watching with that one. And, oh my God, it was just so good. Yeah.

I mean, Lee Francis, first of all, I just, I can't believe the foot and just how absolutely incredible it was. Hey! And the toenail. Oh my God, it was disgusting. That's what mine looked like when I ran the marathon. Oh, did you run a marathon?

I did. Oh my God, the London one. But my toenails fell off. Oh my god, mid-race? Well, afterwards, yeah. Oh my god, that's awful. How did you find it? It was horrendous. But I loved it. I mean, it was elating. The day

of it is a party and it's amazing but it's the training beforehand that's hard because you're on your own. I've never ever run a marathon most i've done is 10k and that was horrific i did a 10k with no training once because i was there to support my husband who was running it and um and well on the day they had like um a spare place and everything and i got so swept up in the morning with everybody being like oh because it's just such an amazing atmosphere isn't it yeah I remember thinking oh this is a I'm gonna do it I'll do you've got a spare place give it to me come on let's do this yeah

and then we started did you start you did you whiz off well I did yeah um and then it was about maybe a minute in and I looked at James and. And I was just like, this is absolutely awful. This is awful. And then I just remember just going very aggressive and angry straight away. And I said to him, just go. Just leave me. Just go. And he was like, get away from me.

Just go. I can't do this. This is awful. And then I spent the rest of the time. Could you walk it? Yes, walking it. Then I eventually got to the end. And then I just remember people were going,

come on, smile, you've done it, come on. And I just wanted to turn around and go, just fuck off and leave me alone. This is awful. And then I got over the line and I just, I collapsed into his arms. There's a photo of me going over the line and you honestly couldn't see anything more dramatic

than that photo. I don't actually know how I managed to have the drama to fling myself into his arms like I was about to collapse because I had no energy at all. So you're not doing the marathon next Sunday? I'm not doing the marathon. Fine. But we're going back to Danny Dyer.

Well. Because I know him. I've known him for 10 years, 11 years. I should basically say I've got a crush on Danny Dyer. I've had a crush on Danny Dyer for years. Okay. I think it's because he's so male. Right. He's so male. Is he like that in real life? Yes. Is he really? He's absolutely. The thing

that I love the most about Danny is what you saw on the bake-off is Danny. He doesn't change. He's so funny and so male. He's very, very funny, actually. I always said to him he should do stand-up. He used to have me in tears. Oh, my God, I bet he'd be brilliant. I saw him once at the NTAs, and I remember walking into the party afterwards, and he was standing by the door, and I just remember he went,

All right, Joe. And I just went, Oh, hello, Daddy. He's just... He's like a caveman. I mean, I could imagine him going and, like, killing a buffalo and then, like, throwing it over his shoulder and then just, like, I could imagine him going and killing a buffalo and then throwing it over his shoulder and then just walking up then and going, what a joke. Really? Yeah.

It's funny, isn't it? I don't think he could fight a buffalo. I'm not sure if he could fight a buffalo. Listen, I'll ask him. I'll drop him a text. I'll ask him if he thinks he could fight a buffalo. We'll find out. Oh my god, I just so loved his last cake and his story.

He's so flipping funny. When he was talking about building himself into his wardrobe. Oh, my God, it was just amazing. And just his quips, when he's just like an eight-layered cake in Bake Off, that's a first. I mean... And I just love his language, actually, and how he speaks.

Yeah. Which is so rare now, the Cockney, that he speaks. But, you know, he was doing the biscuits and he just went, now I've just got to get these geezers in the oven. Got to get these geezers in. But it's just so Danny and I think, oh, it's brilliant. But they all did really well. And do you know what else was really interesting

and obviously probably quite hard and well done him for doing it? Rod Gilbert doing it. Because he did have cancer, didn't he? Yes, yes, he did. I mean, he was very, very ill, wasn't he? So amazing that he did it as well. And he looks really well. He does, doesn't he?

I mean, he really does. Really good. But I just think it's such a fantastic show. It's so, so good. And it raises so much money what do you think about the current presenting duo on the bake-off it's currently no fielding and allison hammond what do you reckon oh my god brilliant yeah and i like allison really like i was going to talk to you about you know presenting wise i liked matt lucas but i do like

noel and allison together i think they're my favorite i think they're brilliant yeah they Presenting-wise, I liked Matt Lucas, but I do like Noel and Alison together. Me too. I think they're my favourite. I think they're brilliant. Yeah, they both make me laugh. I love Alison, though. They're really, really sweet, but then they're really funny as well.

And I like it that they're still quite quirky as well. I just think it's a really, really good pairing. Good pairing, good mix. My daughter did the junior bake-off. Oh, my God. When she was ten. No way. And she went through all the proper, you know, she did it in Covid. How do you audition for it and stuff?

There was a form. She had to fill a form out. I was like, you're never going to get in. What a waste of time. Oh my god. Really bad mum. Really supportive. Making her believe that she's going to achieve anything. What a waste of time. There's thousands of people that do this. You're never ever going to get a phone call or a letter back.

So what happens if you get a phone call? She got her email. I can't quite remember now. It's all a bit of a blur. But yeah, she got through all the stages and she just kept getting through. But I remember saying to the people, I remember the lady on the phone saying,

right, we're going to do the next round now where you have to meet us in town and she's going to bake. You have to bring her cake. yeah and i remember saying listen is she on this because of me yes is it because of my name because i'm not a part of this and she went no it's about the children i felt really really really embarrassed i thought i have to ask because you never ever you know what i mean i'm not i'm not full of my own self-importance, but I just thought, I hope they don't think I'm going to be on it.

You know, just because of our telly world, you see. They were like, absolutely not. They were brilliant, brilliant. Absolutely amazing with all the children. It's all about the children. What did she have to come up with? She had an amazing experience. It was the, to be honest with you,

it was the bloody rehearsing, practicing at home. Oh, my God, yeah. The amount of ingredients I had to buy. Yeah. I mean, unbelievable amount of money spent. Jesus. Ridiculous. I said, if I have to buy any more ricotta cheese, she was doing an Italian cheesecake one week.

Yeah. The mascarpone and, like, really expensive stuff. I said, I'm not buying you, I need 12 tubs because I want to do it three times. Oh my God. This is absolutely ridiculous. Did you have to eat it three times then? No. Luckily, I'm not a massive cake lover.

Yeah. Because otherwise, I don't know what would have happened. Oh my God. When I was doing that cooking with the stars, the amount of times my parents and family had to eat my first dish, which was this pasta thing. I bought myself a pasta maker. Never used it since.

Bought myself a blender. Never used that since. I haven't even used the rolling pin since, to be honest. But I made it and made it and made it so many times. I thought, just make sure your first dish is presentable. And they ate it so many times. And I'm quite glad they ate it so many times because they've not had it since. What was the pasta?

What was in there? It was a butternut squash. Oh, lovely. Also, a butternut squash. Oh, my God. It was fucking hard to cut up. Well, I tell you what, someone said that they'd never seen anybody cut a butternut squash as fast as me. Really?

Yeah, because I knew I didn't have a lot of time. And I went for it on that butternut squash. I was like that. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. I'm impressed by that. Yeah. But yeah, I always watch Bake Off

and I just think it's absolutely brilliant. Harry Hill is on the junior Bake Off. He's so good. He's lovely with the kids, isn't he? He is my favourite presenter. Yeah, he's lovely. He is one of my favourite comedians. I think he's amazing, actually. Yeah, he's lovely. One of my favourite comedians. I think he's amazing actually. Yeah, he's really good, isn't he?

Yeah. And when Eliza came home with an apron and she got it all signed and Harry Hill was on it, I was so excited. She was like, it's my apron. I was like, I don't care. We've got Harry Hill's signature at home. That's just amazing that she's done that. She was brilliant on it. She did really well.

Right, shall we move on to our second show? Yes. So, ooh, now our second show is Ripley. You can catch it on Netflix. And, well, I'm quite excited. I mean, I didn't know what to expect. Obviously, it's taken from Patricia Highsmith's novel, The Talented Mr Ripley,

which was obviously in, my God, I think it must have been the 1990s, made into the most amazing film. I've never seen the film. Oh, my God. But it's Matt Damon, Jude Law, it's everyone in there, isn't it? Yeah, Gwyneth Paltrow.

And it's like when they're all at the height of how stunning they all are, how amazing at acting they all are. I mean, perfectly cast. I am going to watch it now, actually. Oh, my God, you've just got to because it is perfect. But Ripley is basically, you know, the retelling of the novel again. And Andrew Scott is playing Tom Ripley.

Then you've got Johnny Flynn, who's playing Dickie... Dickie Greenleaf. Yes. And you've got Dakota Fanning playing Marge. I didn't know. I hadn't heard of Johnny Flynn. Do you know him? No, I don't know him, no.

But he's good. Yeah, I think he's really good as well. So it says the story all about Tom Ripley. I think it's the first one out of the novels. I've not read the novels, but there's a few of them that he's in. And I haven't read them, but it's the first one that Tom Ripley is in. And he's been sent out to Italy to bring back Dickie. And basically, I mean...

Well, it just starts off, doesn't it? What I like about it, because I've only watched, you know, just a couple, what have you, but I liked the way... I mean, I don't even know where to start on this, because for me, the way it's shot, it's just like porn for my eyes. Well, that's a big thing to say because, as we know, you don't like watching anything which is... Well, I mean, it's like porn for your eyes,

but not as in porn porn, as in just countryside seeing Italy porn. And the more I'm talking about porn, the more I'm thinking about getting to the end of the sentence. It is amazing. Genuinely, I'm watching it and it's black and white, guys. So at first you're a bit... It's so stylised.

It's so... And it's set in the 1960s, isn't it? Yes. And all the fashion and the women and the hairdos and everyone on the street and just the way it's shot, the symmetry of it and the shapes and the hairdos and everyone on the street and just the way it's shot the symmetry of it and the shapes that steven's alien and i'm really not usually kind of a big geek about all of that but i do really love fellini films yes and i do really like just the sort of

art house cinema and different and this i was just like oh i just like, oh, I feel like I'm back, I feel like I'm sat in Everyman. Yeah. You know, I feel like I'm sat in a little cinema on my own, what I used to do when I was 20, and just watch art house film. Yes.

And I sat there on my own, and lapped up every second of it. I thought Andrew Scott, well, I think, I think he's brilliant. You never know what he's going to do next. I've really enjoyed it and you don't really know where it's going and it's

really slow but in a beautiful way. That's how I feel about it. I found it completely mesmerising. I've watched one and a half episodes and I think Andrew Scott, well, I think all of them are fantastic. But I was kind of like, I don't know if I like it or if I don't. Now, I think,

I can appreciate, I mean, it just looks beautiful and fantastic. And I love the way that it's filmed. I love that it's kind of quite stylised and just it's so slow. The first episode was really, really slow. It's really weird. Half of me loved and half of me hated. I didn't know if I liked it or not. I really loved how long it... Do you know what?

I think it's that when I was younger, I would have absolutely loved this, right? I would have loved... Because I would have had the time. I know what you mean. Yeah, because I was kind of like, I don't know if I love it or if I hate it, but I know actually instinctively and deep down,

I love it. And this is what I would love to have watched and enjoyed when I was young without having four children. No, but like you say, I think it is. You sit there and go, this is quite indulgent. Yeah, because I was sitting there thinking... It's so indulgent. I like you say, I think it is. You sit there and go, this is quite indulgent. Yeah, because I was sitting there thinking...

It's so indulgent. I'm enjoying this and I love it, but, flipping heck, I've got to decide what the kids are having for tea. And I've got loads of washing to do. Yeah, and I need to go to sleep now because I know I'm going to be getting up at six o'clock to get everything sorted because they're starting back school.

I haven't got the time. I mean, same as, I don't have the time to go somewhere and just do anything for myself. And I enjoyed this so much and the way it looked and everything about it that I felt like I was just getting drawn in. And I really like it when stuff is just I don't ever feel like something's got to be rushed and done really quick. Or, you know, I just I just wanted to just sit in it and just enjoy it. And I just thought, you don't have time for anything like this anymore. But then I so I thought I wasn't going to watch anymore but I then started the second episode and I'm really enjoying

it I mean I I really loved with the first episode how you could just sort of just smell the where he lived and how poor everybody was and and it spent such a long time it didn't whiz through anything it spent such a long time doing that that it really got across what his life was like how he's trying to get some money in how he's poor and also with the letters so he we we see him in the first episode don't we kind of you can see that he's a bit of a con artist you can see that he's getting letters and he's phoning people up or posting them things and debt collecting if you like when actually people are paying stuff so you can tell he's a bit dodgy but at the beginning i just thought well you're just a bit dodgy because you're making ends meet yeah i didn't find him overly scary i just thought you're really poor

and you're making ends meet good for you even though it's fraudulent and then obviously when the private inspector fine detective finds him yeah and. And the dad, the really, you know, the billionaires of the guy, Dickie, who's in Italy. And I'm still thinking now, well, how did the dad know to find him? Yeah, I don't know. I mean... Maybe that's going to come out later.

Because I've seen the film and stuff and I don't know if he had had a chance encounter with Dickie years ago. I can't remember. But what I love about Andrew Scott is that, you know, when he's out there now with Dickie and Marge and stuff, there's just something a bit off about him. He's not playing, oh, I'm a psychopath.

No. Oh, I'm a bit dodgy. No. He's just so, there's just a flatness, which is not like a rubbish flat, but there's just a flatness. It's something that's just slightly a bit off about him. It's a steely calm. And I think you just don't know.

And you don't know what he's going to do. And it's just, yeah, there's just an offness about him, which I can imagine. You know, like what a psychopath actually would be like. Yes. Because I bet if you do encounter a psychopath, God forbid, that it's not going to be like, oh, it's a psychopath. No, no.

There's just something a bit off about him. I am on right move looking to move to where they are. To Italy? Yeah. What, in real life? Yeah. Honestly? Are you thinking of going to Italy?

What's EastEnders going to do? No, I'm not honestly doing it. I'm just saying, Jo. Honestly, I could tell you anything, you believe me. Honest to God, though. Don't you, Gullible? I'm really Gllible, right? Because if you...

Someone... I can't remember, but there was a classic one. I'm going to remember this. I could do some wind-ups throughout the year. They'll be coming up soon, guys. We've never talked about how on Instagram I sent you a message and Paul from the Traitors said he was going to be in EastEnders. Was that an April Fool? Yes.

Because I still don't know if it was. Because listeners, right, I sent her a message because I was flicking through Instagram. And I saw Paul and he went, I'm going on now to, you know, be writing to Sonia and everything. And he said, I was like, what? What? And I sent Nat a message going, I can't believe you know how much I love Paul.

I can't believe you never told me this. And then she went, oh, what's this all about? And I went, oh, my God, as I'm writing this, I feel, is this an April Fool? It was an April Fool, yeah. I don't know. I'm disappointed in you. I haven't done it. Paul put it on.

Paul Gorton. Did you know he was going to put it on? No. You didn't? No, I didn't know. I didn't mind it, though. Yeah. Sent him a little woo, little arms up in the air.

Oh, God. But, yeah, you can... But I love... I just love it. I love the way it's shot. I love all the music. The music's by Jeff I love, I just love it. I love the way it's shot. I love all the music. The music's by Jeff Russo because I went onto Spotify and I found the score.

And then I drove to work with my sunglasses on on Saturday with the music, just pretending I was in Italy. I just think it's absolutely beautiful. And I really want to have time to continue to watch because I think we're very early in. I think there's eight and I think it will unfold quite rapidly once it starts. Or maybe not, I don't know.

I think the pace of it and just, I don't know. I just think it's very, very film noir, arty. So what do you guys think at home? Do you prefer it to the film? I mean, having watched the film, is that sort of putting you off? Or do you like the book more? Let us know.

Usually the book wins, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. But mind you, not if you're looking at Jude Law. Right, shall we chat about our final show today? It's a David Attenborough special and it's called Mammals. I don't watch nature things because it's awful and it's too

flipping painful. This is Mammals on BBC One or catch it on iPlayer. So I watched the first one of Mammals, narrated by the wonderful David Attenborough and I watched the one Dark and it starts out right. Me too. Obviously, before I even begin,

it's incredible. I don't even know how they filmed it. It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, the footage is just, it's absolutely incredible. But the reason why I can't watch, it starts, right, you've got a leopard. Oh, she's just beautiful.

Beautiful. How do they get such close-up shots? I mean, how? And then, of course, she's climbing a tree and there's flipping baboons well it started with monkeys first of all i was like well one's gonna die isn't it they didn't thank god they didn't but then she went up the tree with the baboons my seven-year-old was the mom and the baby

i found it oh my god can't believe it i was i was holding on to bow and out loud i was going come on mother come on mother and because the mother baboon was holding on to her baby. And then luckily, she then escaped. But then obviously, the other baboon fell off the tree and she ate it. And oh my gosh, it was all filmed, obviously, in night vision, which just looked incredible. But you could see all of the blood and everything. And then my little seven-year-old said, Mummy, this is what life is like.

She needs to eat. And I thought that was a very mature reaction. Very mature and grown up. Yes. I mean, it's just incredible. I don't watch a lot of these programs not because I don't love them and they're beautiful and I think Sir David Attenborough is possibly probably the most special human male alive 100 documentaries he's written books, at 97, he's still narrating these. But also he puts a lot of work and effort into them as well to craft them.

You know, he doesn't just sit in a booth. Well, his voice, you just sit and listen. And his voice is just, it's so comforting. And you just feel, well, you just feel so comforted. You just feel like, oh, I'm safe now. That's why I fall asleep on them. Did you fall asleep? Sometimes I find it hypnotising.

I find his voice, I find it all so lovely and calm that I do doze off to his shows. Yeah. They're brilliant and, you know, a lot of the time, actually, like this one, like you say, it started off and the music's amazing and if there's a chase and it's quite tense. But on those gentler moments yeah i can find my eyes closing quite easily it's hypnotic to me yeah i need the gentle

moments to recover from all of the i mean what about when all the hyenas what and when i saw all the hyenas took out the buffalo i found it so upsetting isn't it yeah i know but isn't it amazing that if you're in nature as a mammal, that from three miles away you can hear your mates, your friends, you know, the pack, another one of you sound, and you travel over there. If I was on the bus now and it broke down, I'd go, oh, can't call you, can I? You won't hear me. I know, can you imagine i you won't hear me i know can you imagine you can't

hear me no why not tell you what you could blink and hear me because my voice is really loud but i still wouldn't be able to wouldn't it be lovely if we could all just go back to a bit of nature because there's lights and sound and noise and traffic and but do you think right that if we were put in nature we'd get those senses back? Possibly. Because instinctively, right, have you ever... I mean, like, the other day, I went to phone my mum and then she phoned me, you know, right at the same time. I do get that with people. So instinctively, we must be setting off all of these, like, things. Maybe.

You know, so if you put us in the middle of, like, the jungle and we were there, I bet we would be able to somehow sense things. And if you were in need because a pack of hyenas were on you, then you could probably just send stuff out and I bet we could sense it and come and save you. Oh, maybe. But, oh, my God, did you see the fennec foxes? Oh, ones with the great big ears? Yeah, yeah.

What a funny little fella he is, wasn't he? Well, I tell you what, right, you see that and I was like, oh. He said it's the size of gerbil. A gerbil, did he say? Gerbil sized. Yes. And then those fucking great massive ears. Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely beautiful. It's like a bat. And I was like, how did they manage to film this? How incredible. Amazing. What was the name of the little, was it a shrew? Oh my God. The tiny little ones that were hanging on, biting their bums. Yes. The little family. Amazing. What was the name of the little, was it a shrew? Oh, my God. The tiny little ones that were hanging on, biting their bums.

Yes. The little family. Yes. All in a row. And I felt really awful because they were all together. And I, my first thought was, it's like, you know, that awful film, which I've never seen, The Human Centipede, where I don't even know what to say because it's just so awful.

It is awful. Yeah, I know it's awful, but I was like, oh, my God. And I've not seen it, but someone showed me a clip. I don't want to know. No, but I was like, it's almost like a furry version of that. Because did you see? Oh my God, they were so cute. And they were all like held on to each other.

Oh no, it was really cute. What about the two armadillos? I was just about to talk to you about the armadillos. Oh my God. Listen, I tell you what, men mammals don't change, do they? Wherever they are. I couldn't believe it. He couldn't leave her alone, could he? I change, do they? Wherever they are. I couldn't believe it. He couldn't leave her alone, could he?

I know, he couldn't leave her alone. But did you see how fast he was humping at the end? Yeah. I was like, oh, my God. Look at him going for it. And how did they manage to, like... They freaked. Can I just be honest?

They really freaked me out. Well, I've always been freaked out by an armadillo. I've always thought its shell was hard. But this one looked like it had soft fur over it. I don't know. You know when something it had soft fur over it and I thought they were adorable I don't know you know when something

looks I just watch it and it makes me go a bit funny yes did it freak you out they're just I don't know what

they're just so strange aren't they yes that in my brain something happens and it can't quite cope with it yeah

I suppose that's sort of like you know when you see something it's got all of those like a load of different holes that's what I'm saying that's exactly what it is yeah makes you feel a bit it's where you get all the holes yeah and I and it's got all of those like a load of different holes. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what it is.

Yeah. It makes you feel a bit... It's where you get all the holes. Yeah. And I think it's because of its shell because I'm a bit like that with Antitas. There's just something a bit...

But with this one... There's just a lot going on. There's a shell, there's hair, there's whiskey. You've got everything. You're a bit greedy. Yeah.

What are you? I feel like you're not quite there yet. Yes. What are you supposed to be? But actually, you are an armadillo. Yeah. But even the name's ridiculous.

It's like someone went, oh, what is this going to be? We just call it the most ridiculous name in the animal kingdom, which is an armadillo. But did you see how fast he was going after her and he didn't let up, did he? He did not let up. But then she sort of took him into a quiet corner, bless her. She did, didn't she?

She was a shy one. Yes. And he was going away at it. Absolutely chopping away. Oh, God. But I just watched. shy one. Yes, and he was going away at it. Absolutely chopping away. Oh, God. But I just watched, I was just like, oh, my gosh, this is just half of it. I'm like, oh, this is adorable.

I'm enjoying watching all of this. Yeah. But then, well, it's nature, though, isn't it? What's your favourite David Attenborough? Oh, God. I don't know. They're all brilliant, aren't they? What's your favourite one?

Because I don't have a favourite one. I say favourite, but most memorable, I think, is Planet Earth. And when he did that one, I think he won a lot of BAFTAs for that and stuff. Because I really choose not to watch them. I mean, the kids, you know, like it. And say I put something on, the kids will sit down and watch. So it's nice to all sit down and watch together. My kids don't.

I get really annoyed. Really? Because mine will. They'll sit down and they'll watch, you know, that. But I don't really normally put them on because I just find it just, oh, God, it's just awful. It's quite stressful. But then when I've forced myself to sit down and watch it,

I love it and I'm just like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. I can't believe that they've managed to get this close and in such detail. And the leopards, big paws. Also, the environments that they're filming, be it the desert or be it the rainforest or whatever, even though I've been to a rainforest before, you know, or a desert, I've done those things, I still sit there and go, I can't believe that I live in this world, that I'm watching now.

Yeah. That I'm part of the same world as what I'm watching. Yeah. And that, again, humbles me. I think, wow. Yeah. And then I think about everybody fucking it up and that David's told us for a long time, Big Dave. Yeah.

Big Dave A, he's been telling us for a really long time, let's stop ruining the planet and no one's listened to him. Yeah. But yeah, as always, Sir David Attenborough, you blow my mind, you're breathtaking. So listeners, let us know what you think. Is it your favourite Attenborough or are there other ones that you prefer?

Send us a message or a voice note so what recommendations have we got we have got some lovely recommendations lots of people have recommended renegade nell which is on disney plus i've heard about it haven't heard a thing myself but here's a message from Rebecca. Loves the podcast. Thanks for making me laugh, she said. That's all right, my love. Isn't that nice? I recommend Renegade now on Disney Plus and I love it. Pure escapism.

Great sets, costumes and actors. Hope you love it as much as I do. Oh, brilliant. So shall we do that next week? Yes, let's definitely do it next week. Jewels. Hello, Jewels. I sent in a recommendation for you, Jo.

Oh, I'm excited. It's a voice note. Listen to this. Hi, girls. Just a quick one for Jo, actually. I think it'll be a bit much for you, Nat. It's called What Jennifer Did on Netflix. And it is an absolute shocker.

If you love a true crime, Jo, I'm with you on the whole true crime thing, but this is an American one, and it's absolutely bonkers. So shocking. You're going to love it. If you haven't seen it, you're going to love it. Any true crime person who loves a true crime will love it.

Yeah, anyway, loving what you're doing, you two. And, yeah, keep going. You're amazing. Oh, anyway, loving what you're doing, you two. And yeah, keep going. You're amazing. Oh, that's really kind. Thank you, Jules. Oh my God, I'm really excited because I've not heard about this one at all. There you go.

And if she is a fan of True Crime and she says it's shocking, it's going to be shocking. Thank you, Jules. What Jennifer did. What Jennifer did. What did Jennifer do? I'll find out after this

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