Off The Telly - 'Linda from The Traitors is a Hun'

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page chat about all things on and off the telly. This week, Nat and Jo are back into the weekly routine after Christmas (even though Jo's still drinking snowballs and eating Christmas chocolate). They're obsessed with The Traitors and catch up about their favourite moments so far of Series 3. Plus, they discuss Harlan Coben's latest series on Netflix called Missing You. Jo also quizzes Nat on those Masked Singer rumours and we find out what it was like for Jo to film with a hedgehog in her new wildlife series.What they can’t stop watching, what they definitely aren’t going to bother with, new releases and comforting classics – TV is timeless and no telly is out of bounds. As well as having a natter about what’s on TV, they share backstage goss from the world of telly, whilst also cracking up about the more humbling moments in their lives. Self-confessed TV addicts and stars of two of the biggest shows on our screens, EastEnders and Gavin and Stacey, Natalie and Joanna are the perfect companions to see what’s occurring on and off the telly. Timecodes for shows discussed this week are:10:48 - The Traitors (BBC iPlayer) 30:31 - Missing You (Netflix)Get in touch by sending us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to 03306 784704.Hosts: Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page Producer: Georgia Keating Executive Producer: Richard Morris Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts Production Co-ordinator: Becky Carewe-Jeffries Sounds Editor: Arlie Adlington Music by MCassoOff The Telly is a BBC Studios Audio Production for BBC Sounds.

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traitors. Hello. Welcome to Off The Telly. How are you, darling? Well, I'm very well, thank you. But I was on Lorraine the other day. I mean, I'm sorry, I had it all planned what I was going to chat about with my week and everything and I've now been thrown. I went on Lorraine and all they wanted to talk about was The Masked Singer. Oh, for goodness sake. I was watching it on Saturday. I watched it the first week and I've got to be honest, I didn't really think anything. I just enjoyed it. I watched it on Saturday, and I'm not on Twitter anymore, but my James is, and apparently someone's name is trending, and have you got anything to tell me?

I'll tell you now, we have worked together for a whole year. When have I squeezed that in? I don't know, because I know that you're always busy, but I'm suspicious. Can you imagine me doing that? Genuinely. No, I can't. I'm petrified of being on stage.

Right, genuinely, right. I can't imagine you doing that. I can't imagine you doing that at all. I've had loads of messages. Have you? On Instagram. Have people been saying anything to you? Yeah.

What have they said? Are you bush? Are you bush? I'm like, oh my God, no. Are you bush? I am not bush. I've got to be honest, right? I've never heard you sing.

And last week, that voice was really deep. It was really deep. But I'm watching the clues and I'm trying to figure things out. Yeah. What about your kids? What about Mark? What about Mark? Are they suspicious? what have they said

no to be honest with you we're not it's not on too much in the house so it's not really a talking point well i want you to know that i'm watching you fair enough i'm watching you cassidy that is fair enough i'm gonna be watching you keep on watching you you keep on watching. I am watching you. You keep on watching. Everyone keep on watching and then we can see who it is because it's getting on my nerves. Well, we have also had a voice note from a listener about their own suspicions about the masked singer. Can we hear it, please? James from Staffordshire here.

Jay mentioned the masked singer. Now, I've got a bit of a theory going on here. So I'm going to tell you it's the 9th of January as I record this so no unveiling has happened of Bush yet but Nat Cass I'm sorry it's you it is 100% you isn't it oh my god I mean obviously you can put this out well in the future if you don't want to give yourself away but I'm just calling it now and if in the future you are revealed as Bush I'm hopeful I'm going to How does everyone feel this? And if in the future you are revealed as Bush, I'm hopeful I'm going to get some sort of, I don't know, off the telly points.

Can you give out points? Is that a new concept we could introduce? We could give out stuff. Yeah. I'm just putting it out there. I'm going to say it now. Oh, my God. Is it you?

I'm telling you now. Do you know what? This is going to get really boring. I hope this character, what's it called? Bush. I hope the character gets out soon because I can't have this all the time. Oh my God. I want to know who it is as well that sounds like me. Does it really sound like me?

Well, I didn't think actually that it did sound like you, loads. There were bits of it where it sounded like you but then other bits where it was really deep. I'm honoured, actually. I'm honoured. It's quite a big show, isn't it, to be knocking about Happy Days? All publicity is good publicity and all that.

Oh, my God. I'm going to have to be watching each week. I can't wait now. How cold has it been? Oh, my God, it's been freezing. But not just freezing, to the point of you look out the window. I'll tell you what annoys me, Jo, and it really angers me actually, that you look out the window and it looks like a beautiful Christmas postcard.

Sunny. And it's all over. Oh, yes. Why couldn't this weather have been a few weeks ago? Well, do you know what Eva was saying to me? I think it was Eva when we were driving and she said, why can't we put the months back? Correct. Because this now should have been December.

On weather. This is all like Christmas. The ground's really hard. We've got the snow. Beautiful sunshine, cold frosty walks. Because when it was actually Christmas, it was quite warm. And then the thing is, we'll be cold now

and then going into February and then March, it'll still be quite cold. And sometimes, I is, we'll be cold now and then going into February and then March, it'll still be quite cold. And sometimes, I remember once, we had snow in April. I always remember people saying, you know, older generations of the family, I remember it snowing on Ascot. Or whatever, I remember it snowing in May Day. I remember it snowing at Ascot. Did you really have it snowing?

I remember snow on the ground Ascot. Did you really have it snowing? I remember snow on the ground in July. Do you really? But I think the months are all weird. I know. I've got a carport. Oh, what, to put the car in? Yeah, and when we first bought the house, I always thought, what a complete waste of time.

Yes. It's stupid. It's a waste of space. Yeah. Why have you got one? And when the ice is that thick, I always thought, what a complete waste of time. Yes. It's stupid. It's a waste of space. Yeah. Why have you got one? And when the ice is that thick, it is the best thing you've ever had. Yes.

Because you feel really pleased with yourself. You drive out on the road and everyone's out there scraping their cars or they've got the heating on and your car is perfect. Yeah. It does make you a little bit. But in the carport, right, do you use it to store anything no because we've got like a garage and we have just got the garage just full of like furniture or yeah you know like um all sorts of bits and bobs and all sorts of stuff no doors right you know it's just a frame yeah the cars go in yes but it still makes a difference bloody hell does it make a difference?

Well, yeah, because we don't keep our cars in the garage or anything, right? And so when we go out, you've got to do the whole defrosting thing. And I quite, I don't know why, and it's just quite weird. It's obviously a rebellious sort of thing. Because I'm an Aries and James, well, he's a Scorpio, but he's much more organised or much more, you know, than me. And when I go out there, I will go straight into the house. I fill up boiling hot water in a jug.

I'll go out and he's like, will you just not do that? It's going to crack. It's really bad. And I take pleasure in standing there and pouring it over the windscreen and going, it's not cracked. It's never cracked. I've done it. I'm 47 now. I've done it the whole time

i've been driving never cracked until next week when you come in and you tell me you've had a nightmare the windscreen repair person didn't come you were late for the school pickup this is what we're gonna have yeah just go out 15 minutes earlier and put your engine on oh my god i slept that's not gonna happen right because i slept in today with the kids blinking going to school oh the thing is going they're back to school, getting them back into it. I know that we're now in mid-January, but I tell you what, they were having really late nights, my two. Do you know, right, do you know what I drove, right? I was in the middle of a really awful dream, right?

I don't dream a lot anymore. And I think it's because I'm so, so tired, right, that I never, ever dream. And I set my alarm to go off at seven and we all have to get up at seven and we've got to be out of the house, right, by quarter to eight. Right. I was in the middle of a dream

and Kit had gone off running somewhere and I was searching around trying to find him. Going, I can't find him, I can't find him. And then people were coming to the house and I was living in like this big sort of London mansion house, I don't live in London what was the decor like I just remember there being lots of staircases going all the way up and I was running around going Kit Kit where are you and then I was there with Pete Wicks and I was explaining to him the thing is Pete Kit's gone missing I don't know where he is I don't know where he is and Pete was in the middle of talking

to me about it and then suddenly I woke up and I was like oh my gosh I've slept through the alarm, it was 20 past 7 and to get all, four of them up and out of the house by quarter to 8 Did you do it? Did you manage it? Yes I did it I have to say, so Eliza gets up, she has to be up for half

six right? Yeah. And we have to leave by half seven. But because she's 14, she's doing the makeup and getting all ready. She shouldn't be doing that for school. But, you know, fight your battles. Fight your battles. Yeah. Pick your battles is what I mean.

I'm so fucking tired. But I've had to, because she's so tired, I'm the alarm clock. Oh, my God, yeah. So I'm setting my alarm. I haven't got to be up at half six. She should be getting up herself. And then I can set my alarm for seven because I'm just a taxi driver. Yeah.

I can roll out of bed this morning. Do you want to know what I took her in? What did you wear? I got out of bed. Yeah. I had my nightie on, my grey nightie. Yeah. Which I have to say, I did think of you.

Did you? Because my Grey Nightie gets washed probably once a month. Oh my God. But I don't wear it every night. I don't wear it every night. But I did think, have a go at Jo. Yeah, that's disgusting. That's gross. I beg your pardon.

Because you're like laying there in your sweat. But I don't wear it a lot. Well, you wear it for a good like eight hours. That is true. Oh, my God. But then I'll hang it over the stairs. Oh, jeez. It gets worse.

Yeah, I'll hang it over. Or I'll put it on, I'll chuck it on the radiator if I'm having a shower or whatever. Anyway, sometimes this doesn't happen. But this morning I woke up with the nightie on no knickers on I got up I put on a pair of grey tracksuit bottoms kept my nightie on and put a jumper over the top oh my god I drove a lighter to school you did the school drop-off with no knickers on. Well, tracksuit bottom, but yeah. I did. I was that tired. It was that dark.

I was so angry. You know when you're angry when you're cold? Oh, God, yes, yes. I thought, I just need to just put on as many layers as possible and I'm not going to take my nighty off. Well, at least you didn't have to de-ice the car. Exactly. Oh, my God.

But it is a struggle this month, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is. But I'm liking it, though. I am liking it. Well, I God. But it is a struggle this month, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is. But I'm liking it, though. I am liking it. Well, I like the telly. I like the January telly. The Traitors, obviously a huge thing to talk about at the moment

because it is so brilliant. But something else at the moment that's in the number one spot on Netflix is Missing You. It is the new Harlan Cobham thriller. I'm loving The Traitor's Joe. Oh my God, it's so good. And the kids love it. How are you finding the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 10 o'clock finish?

Because Joanie's eight. Yeah. And she's staying up to watch it with us. All of mine are eight, nine, well, Bo as well, three, and then Eva, 11. This is something we were debating, right, last week, because we said, right, we're going to record it and then we'll watch it when they come in from school the next day. You're not going to do that, though.

We haven't done that at all, right? But it's sort of our family life is disintegrating because they're getting in and then we have food and then by the time you get to nine o'clock at night, everybody is exhausted. Bo is beside herself because I'm trying to get her through without having a nap during the day so to nine o'clock at night, everybody is exhausted. Bo is beside herself because I'm trying to get her through without having a nap during the day

so that she goes straight off at night. It doesn't work. She pushes through and she goes into overtired. And by the time you get to nine o'clock, everyone is exhausted. So we're not really properly sitting down and enjoying it, but everyone's refusing to go to bed and we're like, we are going to watch it.

But I've said that this week we are going to record it and have to watch it the next day. I think I'm going to have to do that and then have friday as a treat yes friday but i don't know when we're gonna watch it because there's no time to watch it and really quite frankly by the time we do baths homework yeah food it's eight o'clock well i'm of the mind that if mine have had swimming that day in school, that is classed as a bath. So I'm quite, you know, relaxed. Yeah, I'm not sure yet.

But Joanie, bless her, she's been sitting up, trying to watch it, trying to watch it. I mean, Eliza's fine. But 10's still late for Eliza. She's up at half six. It's not enough sleep. But she's okay. And then she goes straight up, bless her, because she's tired.

Me and Mark stay up later than that anyway, so we're fine. But Joanie, by about 20 to 10, is snoring on the sofa. She can't keep up. Yeah. Well, this week, I'm giving a go with the recording. I'm giving it a go, because even I'm tired. It gets to half eight, and I'm like, oh, my God, I need to be laying in bed next to Bo, catching up next to her.

Yeah, see, I need my time then. Yeah. Watched lots of Limitless Wind this weekend. Oh, have you? I'm obsessed with it. Is it good? I just absolutely time then. Yeah. Watched lots of Limitless Wind this weekend. Oh, have you? I'm obsessed with it. Is it good? I just absolutely love it. I think because we haven't got Saturday Night Takeaway anymore,

which you know that I love and I'm bereft. Yeah. To have Ant and Dec on screen for an hour makes me happy. Is it good? And I love the couples. I really like the game. Once you get into it, it's quite complicated rules. Yeah. But once you know the lifeline situation, how it works,

you can really play along with it. It's a brilliant quiz show. Do the kids like it as well? Eliza really likes it, yeah. Because I've never watched their game show, quiz show things. Although I did like the one where, you know, going against the adverts. Yeah, I liked that one. But that was part of their, you know, like all big...

Yeah, no, this is a proper quiz and it's all numbers so it'll be like um what was one last night that we watched because we watched saturday and sunday but together last night and then eliza went to bed at half past 10 because we were watching that it's not even a traitor's night honestly it's gone out the window since christmas god oh my god yeah a bit of me is like, oh, fuck it, it's life. Me too. I just want to spend time with my kids. Me too. I've got into this New Year, right? I'm still drinking snowballs.

No, you're not. Yeah, I had three snowballs the other night. And James came in with a load of chocolate. We're still doing the whole sitting down with all of the chocolate and everything. And I thought, you know what? Why not? Because I'm thinking I just want to enjoy hanging out with the kids. Mark had the last mince pie the other night.

Did he? Oh. He was a bit bereft. I spoke to him at lunchtime and he said he'd just finished off the last piece of the Christmas cake. Oh. So, yeah, it's all sort of getting out of the way. It is. But I still feel like while The Traitors is on, we're still sort of in Christmas mode, aren't we?

No. I am. Good for you. Tell me what else you think about the traitors. Because I can't believe that Linda hasn't gone yet. I love Linda. I mean, oh my God, what about her acting? I think she is superb.

How has she not gone when she started crying? How about when she said, I'm not going to get it right, but when she said, you don't have to be a sailor to know how to tie a knot. Or whatever she said. But it was really out of the blue and a bit mean. And it's just so not her. She's so camp. It just makes me laugh.

She's a hun. She is. She is a hun. She is a massive hun. When she was crying, was it when, I can't remember which one went. She was crying going, I loved her like a daughter. It was so bad. But everyone was like that.

Yeah, but the thing is, right, everybody was looking going, why is Linda crying? And everybody was looking and it was so weird. And then they get to the round table and all they have to do is just go, do you think there's something up about Tyler?

Or do you think this about Dan? I know. And then, woof, they all just decide to... I just don't get it. Can I say that Tyler's accent, I believe it's Nottingham, that sort of way. Mm-hmm.

What a lovely accent that is. Oh, I can't see it. Oh, I love it. Remember Richard Beckinsale in Porridge? Yes. With Fletcher? Yes. His roommate.

It's that. Oh. It's that Birmingham sort of Nottingham-y. Yeah. What a lovely accent. Oh. May I just say. Well, I'm enjoying the traitors. I'm absolutely loving it.

It's brilliant. I love all the missions. I'm pleased Armani went. When I went on Lorraine, Armani and Maya were there being interviewed as well. No, they weren't. I was so excited. I went straight up to them and I said to Lorraine, oh my God, do you think I can get a picture?

Do you think I can get a picture? She was like, of course, just go up to them. So I went up and I was like, oh my God, please can I have my photo taken with you? I think that you're amazing. And then I made them do a video where they say hello to all of the kids and to James. I was so excited.

And then I just basically quizzed them on it. I was like, how did you audition? What was your interview like? Why did you decide to do it together? What do they do in the evenings? Do they come and get you? How do you leave the castle? Where do you go? What was your interview like? Why did you decide to do it together? What do they do in the evenings? Do they come and get you? How do you leave the castle? Where do you go?

What happens? Did they answer anything? They did. They answered some questions. They did answer. They said, well, first of all, Armani said that, no, Maya said that she had gone to, you know, audition for it. Yeah.

And they liked her. And then they said, have you got anybody else in the family? And she said, yes, there's my dad, but there's also my sister. So they said, oh, you know, can we meet her? And then they met Armani. And we're like, oh my gosh, obviously, you know, it's going to be the two sisters together. Brilliant.

But I wish they hadn't said anything. Because I think they got voted out so soon because of that, didn't they? Yeah. Because I'm missing having people like that. Who are you liking at the moment? I mean, where we have the cliffhanger is brilliant, but do you not think it's a bit weird? Because the game itself, Claudia said,

they're on this card game, aren't they? It's like poker with the life and the death. Yes. And Claudia said there are four of you around this table. A traitor could be here. Who's going to put themselves in a situation like that, which is complete chance? Oh, my God, yeah.

So those four now know they're all faithful. Yes. Don't they? I didn't think about that. But they do. Well, they do, don't they? So is that a good move, clever, that they can work together? Oh, my God.

I mean, I just wonder what's going to happen, you know, whoever goes out, poor love. And also as well, oh, my God, how stressful was it when Linda, first of of all couldn't find the pen oh i was like oh for god's sake for god's sake and then when she was writing really slowly and i was thinking i wouldn't have cared right who i put up i just would have chosen the shortest names joe ian bob yeah yeah yeah that's what i would have done yeah i found it so stressful it was stressful wasn't it?

And I wish that there were some older people. I find it's cast quite young this year. I think so. Obviously, you have Linda and Lisa, the priest. What do you think about all that? Well, her reveal was a bit kind of like, well, I don't know why you kept it secret. And then you've just kind of gone, look, this is, you know, it was a kind of went for nothing.

But she did lie in the mission. She did, didn't she? And she said she cannot lie being a priest. Well, it's all very odd, isn't it? Because she did lie in the mission. She blatantly lied to his face. And I think that could backfire on her. I'm not sure people are going to believe what she's saying. Yeah.

And they all seem to be very much, nobody seems to have like a plan, do they? They seem to be very much like if something comes up on the surface,

like somebody's done a grin or somebody did that, because Dan decided that he didn't want to reveal the way that he was going to play or whatever, which I thought,

he's completely justified to do that. I really like Dan. I really like him and I think he's really intelligent and he's just being honest. Yeah. And I like the way that he like him. And I think he's really intelligent and he's just being honest. Yeah. And I like the way that he stood up for the way that he wanted to play.

It's like you all don't have to play the same way. No, that's right. You know. And I think, yeah, it's quite emotional. Yeah, and they're very young. I wish that we just had some older ones. I basically want Paul to come back. Yeah.

I watched him on The Traitors Uncloaked, which I started watching. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love it. I'm turning it on straight after the show. Yeah, see, I haven't done that yet. Well, sometimes, but actually, yeah. But it's Ed Gamble, the lovely Ed Gamble.

But you know what? I've been adding the kids watch that because I have turned on a few. Joe. That's why I'm all so bloody tired. I mean, it's ridiculous. Oh, no. You can't do that.

I'm so flippant. I mean, it's awful, isn't it? I shouldn't be saying this. In case anybody from school is listening. I'm not doing it this week, I shall say that now. Yeah, no, fine. But Paul was on Traitors Uncloaked. And it was just lovely just seeing his little face.

He played a great game, didn't he? God, he was so good. It's a visualised podcast. So you turn over after watching The Traitors. And The Traitors Uncloaked is available immediately after and it's on BBC Two and iPlayer. So it's on at 10 o'clock after the show. It's on at 10 o'clock straight after the show.

And it's really, really good because they've got Ed Gamble on there and then they get lots of different celebrities and stuff. I've seen all the trails after, but unlike you, I'm trying to get the kids to bed because it's 10 o'clock. Well, we're all just sitting there eating chocolate at this point still thinking it's Christmas. You're just watching Ed Gamble,ing the show with Paul Gorton. We had Paul on there.

There's been, you know, Emma Willis. No, loads of people. Tom Allen I saw. Yes. Really, really good people and I bet I'd really love it. I think I've recorded it but I think it is one of those

that you sort of want to watch straight after. Oh my God, yes. Because it's a pod, I think I would listen to it in the car. Yes, that's true. I think I really, really would and maybe the next day do that. Because it's a pod, I think I would listen to it in the car. Yes, that's true. I think I really, really would and maybe the next day

do that. So you can watch it, which is brilliant and then you can hear more of it on BBC Sounds as well. What a brilliant idea and Ed Gamble's

brilliant at pods, let's be honest. Yeah, he's really good. Really, really good. And the celebrity version, by the way, has already been commissioned. Has it been cast?

That's what I want to know. I've heard of a few rumours. No way my god i would love to do celebrity traitors so would i but how many days away from home is it oh god i don't know i reckon three weeks three weeks do you think so yeah oh my god three weeks is quite hard two weeks is doable can you imagine you and me on it be hilarious can you imagine us standing in the kitchen? I know. Having a chat going, what do you think we're as? Do you think you'd be able to tell if I was the traitor?

Do you think you'd be able to tell from me? I'm not sure, actually. I think you're really good. You've got a good poker face. Imagine if I came up to you and I went, oh, God, that was that. See, I'm really, but I'm really bad. I can't. Really?

Yeah, I'm not good. Imagine what would you do if I came up to you and I went, that round table was so hard. You look tired, Nat. Would you like a drink? Yeah. So shove your drink up your arse. Go and find your quill. And get lost.

Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful? Traitor. Would you? Yeah. Yeah. I bet you'd be a good traitor. I think this week it's going to hot up. I hope so.

Yeah. I hope so. And I think they're going to recruit again. And yeah, let's see what happens. But yeah, I'm absolutely loving it. It's such a good show. Oh, it's so good. I can't wait for the celebrity one.

And Claudia's outfit. Well, I wish that we had, you know, I love her outfit. And I would like, i love the jumpers and then the trousers and the leggings yeah i like the yeti and i was quite pleased to see the yeti coat because i've been waiting for something like that because it's all been quite like jumpery and jeansy and i was like oh god this is nice i'm glad for the yeti coat yeah Yeah. And I just, I love her hair. I know. How has she got hair like that? It's so shiny. So, so shiny and so thick.

Yeah. You've got hair quite like Claudia though. No, I haven't. You have. Same length, kind of the same colour, same like thickness as well. You've got hair. Have you ever had like a,

you have had a full fringe. I have had a fringe, but it doesn't suit me really. I love having a fringe, but it doesn't suit me, really. I love having a fringe, but, yeah, it doesn't love me, unfortunately. At the beginning of us doing this pod, you had that nice fringe done, didn't you? Yeah, and I do do that. If I blow-dry it, it does come down,

but it needs a trim at the moment, but because of continuity for work. Sonia's back in EastEnders. Sonia's back. She's in the prison. Blessia's... She's back. She's in the prison. Bless her. Oh, my God.

Turned around quick, hasn't it? God, it has, hasn't it? Yeah. I mean, oh, my God, you're back in there. Yeah. How's it been?

Has it been a shock to the system getting back into the swing of things? Well, it's been all right. I mean, I've been there since October now. I just haven't been able

to tell you or say, you know. Yes. But back in there and able to tell you or say, you know. Yes. But back in there and it's very, very busy, very exciting because we've got the 40th anniversary coming up. Oh, my goodness. So there's loads going on for that. Have you got all the scripts for all of that?

Bits and pieces, yeah. Can you tell me what's happening? No. Will you give us a clue? No. Go on, go on. Give our listeners just some form of small clue. EastEnders is 40. Okay, that's something.

Yeah, you know. But yeah, it's busy and it's brilliant. Are you enjoying it? Can you see what's going to happen with Sonia? No. But are you busy? Are you very busy? Really busy and yeah, she's in prison at the moment and it's good stuff. Oh my God. Where do you film all of the prison stuff?

Is that all in studios? Yeah, it's just an on-site location. It's quite chilly. Is it cold? God. Yeah, it's quite chilly. Right, now, we've spoken about the traitors, right? But let's see what our listeners are saying, right?

Loads of you loved our Gavin and Stacey specials. Thank you so, so much. This is a message from lovely Jenny in Windsor. She said, oh, my God, how much is Eliza like Nat? Oh, don't tell her that. She'll be going on and on. And she won't like it if she's like me anyway. The whole Gavin and Stacey episode was brilliant.

Mel was so, so good. But as soon as Eliza came on the phone, it was like having Joe, Mel and two gnats on the go. Missed a few because of stuff over Christmas, but I do love this podcast. Looking forward to what's to watch in 2025. Isn't that lovely from Jenny? Thank you so, so much.

And we've had a lot of messages about your new wildlife show, Jo. Oh, my gosh. Which I love. I've only watched number one, but the kids loved it. We'll talk about it in a minute. But here's the message. Firstly, I would like to say I love your podcast and I feel like I'm listening to my two friends.

But I'm messaging you to say, Jo, i love your new nature program it's my new comfort show question did you name the badger vanessa after vanessa shanesa jenkins keep up the good work and that's from chloe in bristol yes i was hoping you were gonna say that yes they wouldn't i said oh god can i call anessa and they said, I don't think we can probably call her Nessa because basically you shouldn't be naming the badgers anyway. And I said, okay, I will call her Vanessa then. And so I did call her Vanessa. I've also called another one James.

I've called another badger Rob. And I've called another badger Ruth. Fantastic. Oh my gosh, did you see Vanessa? Vanessa was so cute in the towel. Little towel Although I have to say I gagged a little bit Because I thought, oh look at the badger

Look at him having his chocolate milk And then they went, this is a meat purer And of course he wasn't drinking chocolate milk But in my head, she was drinking chocolate milk Well kind of in mine as well Because I've never really thought that, the whole thing. I was kind of thinking it looks like chocolate ice cream or something. Did it stink?

Yeah, it's not even gone into my head. No, it didn't really smell. Well, it smelled. The food, you couldn't really smell the food because you actually go in there and the whole little shed that the baby badgers were in smelt so bad that the smell of food wouldn't even come into it. And the smell was ripe.

It was disgusting. And at one point in the beginning, I thought, I don't think I'm going to be able to stand this because it was like, oh God, I've got to get out of here. You did a really funny, it stinks!

Like really. But you do get used to the smell. It is such a comforting, I was watching it quite late last night because I wanted to watch it before doing this. I've been a bit busy and we were watching it

and I thought this is Sunday night six o'clock I want a crumpet I want a cup of tea I want thick butter on my crumpet

and yes please I'd like to watch this well you won't want a crumpet when you see me feeding the owls and cutting up the food for them and stuff

yeah you did really well cleaning out the hedgehog. You did so well. Oh, I was quite nervous. Well, you were beating yourself up about the hay you put in. It was brilliant. But that's the head girl in me coming out. I know, but it was really aggravating me because I was like,

Jo, you've done a really good job. Don't beat yourself up. It's really lovely to watch it knowing you because I can kind of, I know what you're thinking I was really annoyed with myself because I wanted to be perfect right and I thought I can do this I can do this

and then I just messed up I didn't put all the hay in and everything for it you didn't mess up and when you picked up the hedgehog and you had a go didn't you with the towel you were like oh let me just have a go with the gloves yeah and you were fine you picked it up perfect god it's really quite scary you know when they go into a ball and it's like it genuinely does really really hurt over 2 000 spikes they said yeah or is it more than that i can't remember i can't remember but it's really lovely it's

factual i think it's great for the kids it It's really gentle. And you're learning not only about the wildlife and also how endangered they all are. It's really good. It's really informative and really lovely. We're enjoying watching it with the kids and just sitting there. And when we see the kids on it and then James, I mean, that's making me laugh. And I'm just finding it so sweet with Bo sitting there going, oh my gosh. So cute. And then when I'm talking to them about scruffing the mouse. And then James was laughing,

all the whole family were laughing at James because I show them all the video and James just sort of just goes, oh, it just makes a noise. Just made me laugh. And that is on BBC iPlayer. It's on BBC. You can catch all episodes now on BBC iPlayer.

Yeah, and it's BBC Two. Yes, 6.30 every night. Fantastic is what that is. How many of them are there? 15. Wow. Yeah. That is a lot.

It is. I can't wait to see you progress. I know. My gosh, I think you'll be surprised that what I'm like at the end compared to what I was like at the beginning. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah.

Getting stuck in, aren't you? It's good. You look really sort of rosy cheeks and outside and well i am kind of right but there was the bit when the bird did poo on my face oh i'm looking forward to that yeah yeah actually didn't i actually turn to the camera because i felt it and actually went i i he's pooed on my face and he did i can't wait for the memes. Oh, my God. Missing you.

I started it, Jo. Can I be honest? Yes. I had norovirus, right? Oh, God, yes. And was really poorly. So I was in bed and I put it on and I thought, I've got to start watching this.

Yeah. And I just kept falling asleep because I was sort of in and out of... So anyway, that was sort of crisp, you know, a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. I did that because it was out, I think, first, second of June or whatever. So I wanted to start it and I didn't because I kept falling asleep. And then I've tried to get into it now. Now, I don't know whether I've got a bit of ptsd from lying in bed feeling really depressed yes but i put it on and i just couldn't get into it really

why not i just could i think it's just me at the moment i don't think there's anything i've seen so many people say that they are loving it but it sort of came on and there was matt willis yeah my friend jessica by the way, who I know very, very well. Jessica Plummer from, she used to be in EastEnders. She's in it. Lenny Henry's in it. This one, I mean, there's about a thousand people in it. Steve Pemberton, who was just playing the maddest dog breeder ever.

So tell me about it. I'm going to try and get into it. But tell me about it because i can't really do a lot about this one i did start thinking it was a bit over the top or it's just a bit and i but i tell you what right i'm loving it i'm on episode three brilliant i've been really drawn in and bits are happening where you're like oh my god that's mad i mean it's just it's really good so it's got the fantastic rosalind elizar from slow horses in it who i just find so incredibly watchable it's got the fantastic Rosalind Eliza from Slow Horses in it who I just find so incredibly watchable she's got this wonderful calmness about her but yet she's really dynamic as well I think

I'm loving watching her she really draws you in she's very very watchable she's obviously this police detective there's this man who's gone missing this other woman who's gone missing and then on top of all of that right so all of that's going on what's happening then you some suddenly right they well i this is going to be like a spoiler here like episode two but suddenly steve pemberton is introduced as i won't tell you what happens but as the most oddest and weirdest dog breeder i think i have ever ever met imagine the characters he plays in Inside Number Nine or any of the, you know, like that sort of stuff. And this one is well up there.

Right. But it just suddenly puts in an extra bit, which you're kind of just like, oh, wow, this is so weird. I've heard. I'm going along with it. What I've heard, there's sort of quite a lot going on and they're trying to interweave it all. Yeah, there's so much going on

and they're getting it all, so they are, they're all getting it all in. And then sometimes I'm watching it going, oh, wow, this is too much or that is a bit, but I'm just, but I'm enjoying it. I'm loving it. I've heard nothing but good stuff about it,

I have to say. It is really good. Richard Armitage is just brilliant. But he's being his normal sort of... I was going to say, he just is what he is Yeah, he's really lovely and he's got this gentleness to him but then also, I think

that he's really dodgy It's weird how he manages to do sort of like dark, brooding but gentle man but also he could be a killer or done something bad And I see that GK Barry turns up. That was so weird, right?

Because I didn't know who she was before in the jungle. And suddenly it started and this woman with long hair is turning around and I thought, it's GK Barry. Unbelievable. Does she do acting as well? Well, she does now. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Good luck to her.

Yeah. Fantastic. So I don't know where she is now because she's just sort of, and I don't know how she relates to anything yet. I can't find that out yet. Okay. But it's a good old romp and I'm enjoying it. Good.

Fantastic. So you can catch that on Netflix and it has been number one. So it's got to be good. Yeah, it's been number one. Everybody's in it, aren't they? Lenny Henry, Steve Pemberton. It's amazing. Yeah.

Who else? Matt Willis. It did make me laugh when Matt Willis turned up I thought they were all in this Ashley Walters He was in Top Boy wasn't he He's really good

Richard Armitage I mean my goodness Lisa Faulkner What a lovely Lisa Yeah I worked with Lisa on EastEnders you know Did you

Yeah for a little while and I used to see her loads and loads when she was first in Holby City Yeah and she is one of the loveliest ladies you've ever met She's gorgeous She seems so nice doesn't she For a little while. And I used to see her loads and loads when she was first in Holby City. Yeah. And she is one of the loveliest ladies you've ever met.

She's gorgeous. She seems so nice, doesn't she? Yeah. I'd like her to cook for me now. She's a chef now as well, isn't she? Yeah. Yeah. But I thought, oh my, I was listening to Richard Armitage. He was being interviewed on Morning Telly, I think it was last week.

And he was saying, because he's been in like quite a few of the Harlan Coburn. Yes. You know, like dramatizations, isn't he? And he said with this one of the harlan coburn um yes you know like uh dramatizations isn't he and he said with this one the script came i think he didn't the script either didn't come in they just asked him you know do you want to do anything didn't even bother reading the script first he just went yes you know i'll do it because there's been quite a few of them he's normally in all of them and he just thinks they're so good and obviously so much fun to do he just went right okay i'll do it that's quite brave it's quite cushy isn't it as well i know but not reading it opening it up new discs throughout the whole six episodes

not read it just says yeah i'll do it yes i did that once with a film it was this film came in and uh i didn't read it i didn't read it i just accept i went yeah okay i'll do it this was when i was a lot younger yes i'll do it and This was when I was a lot younger. I went, yes, I'll do it. And then it came to the rehearsals and I opened the script for like a read through rehearsals and realised that it was just, I had to be Scottish for starters. And then none of it made sense.

It was all over the place. And then there was this one particular sort of like weird dogging scene that my character wasn't involved in but just sort of ends up getting locked in this car and I just thought, no, no, not being Scottish as well, it's all too much and I had to pull out of it. That's the terror of accepting something that you haven't read.

So it wasn't sitting in the car watching the dog and it was a Scottish accent that did it for you? Fair dose. It's a fair dose, Jo. the dog and it was a Scottish accent that did it for you. Fair do's. It's fair do's, Jo. Well, do you know what? I'm trying to think about we've covered it. We've done everything. We've covered all our bits and pieces. I do recommend Limitless win for you though, Jo.

Oh my god, right. We haven't even talked about, have we talked about The Traitors? Yeah, with the card game bit and it's on Cliffhanger, isn't it, between Leon and Fosia. I love Fosia. Oh, she doesn't mind saying what she thinks, does she? I really, really don't want her to go out. And I don't want Leon out.

I'm angry. Yeah. I'm really pissed off, actually, because I like both of them. I don't know why they did that with the three of them going in the first place off the train to then introduce the three of them in the cages back and then only two of them get through. I would have loved to have had Fosia from the beginning. She's interesting.

I know, but also poor Jack. I know, what a waste. Hanging in the cage. What a waste. It is a shame because he seemed a really lovely boy as well. He was an interesting character, wasn't he? Yeah, it's quite annoying really. And I'm really upset Tyler's gone because he was an old soul.

He loved his bird watching and and he was, like, really great. And Dan. I just, I don't know. And Kaz. Yeah, Kaz was so lovely. I mean, they fire-rooted him out, and they'd go at him just because he made a toast. Oh, my God, right. Do you know something?

Yeah. I must have missed him making a toast. Yeah. You know, sometimes you miss a bit. Yes. And they kept going on about the toast. And I said, why the fuck are they so annoyed that he made a round of toast for everyone? Because he kept saying, I'm really helpful.

And I was like, why have they to go at him for making some toast for everyone? And then my niece said, no, he made a toast. And I was like, oh, God. What I find so mad about them, though, right, is that a traitor would never do that. Like, you know, a traitor just wouldn't do that. So why do they think that that means that, you know, he's a traitor? I tell you what, if Fosia goes, I'm going to be really annoyed.

I think she says it how it is. She's really clever. I loved it when she stuck up for it was kaz wasn't it yeah she stuck up for yes and she around the round table and she said but if you're all just picking on him that's not fair and i thought yes would you be able to do that because and i thought it was very nice of her with anna because she had the you know live card in the beginning and anna took it and then it was Fosia's turn to choose and she thought, no, I'm not going to take it back off her. I'll just leave her have it.

And I thought that was really nice. I see a lot of myself in Fosia because I would have got off the train first. Would you? Yeah, without a doubt. Would you? Without a doubt. They would all be talking and I'd be like,

I'm just getting off. Yeah. And I think I would have done the same with a life card. Yeah. I am quite like that. Yeah. I'm quite giving and I don't like, I just want things simple. And I'd rather other people have things and me not.

Yeah. You're the opposite, aren't you, Jo, really? Let's be honest. Well, if it was giving. No, because you're quite competitive. I'm very competitive, right. I don't mean you're not a giving person. Yeah, but if they were all on the train, right,

all of this constant talk, right, that was going on and on and on, that would have annoyed me and I would have gone, no, let's just stop it, right, we need to make a decision now because this is a waste of time because somebody is going to have to get off this train and then I wouldn't have said, oh, we all need to go around because, you know, they were saying we need to go around and say why I should get off.

Oh, what a shit. A thousand pounds a minute was going down. I would have gone, we're all here for our own separate reasons. Oh, what a shit. We are all here. £1,000 a minute was going down. I would have gone, we're all here for our own separate reasons. Everybody deserves to be here. Everybody's fought to get here. We're all here for different reasons.

Nobody's is any better, less well. You don't have to justify. Let's just pull straws. There you go. It should have been. And then someone will do it now. That's not fair.

Well, it is. It's chance. It's got to do with my chance. Do a game. Pull the straws, get off now. Or whatever. Throw the fork. What way the fork.

It should have been a game. I can't believe that they were all like, oh, for so long. I'd have been like, the money is ticking, it's going to happen regardless. Let's get up, let's just do something,

get on with it. But you wouldn't have got off. And then I would have gone, but you know what, right, let's not do that now because Nat's volunteered and she's getting off. Bye!

Yeah, fine. And I'd be off. I'd be off. And then what happens? I'd have won! No, then what happens? When you come back in a cage, you say, I was the first one to get off and I'm the best

and everyone chucks the coins in yours. Yes. That's what happens. You'd have come back and I'd have been there putting the coins, trying to fill yours up to get the shield. And I'd be going, thanks, Jo. Thanks, Jo. Imagine doing Celebrity Traitors together.

Oh, God, it would be hilarious. One thing I have to say is the wildlife show, they're clips, you know, they're showing the best bits at the beginning and on the journey, and Jo's going to do this, and it's like, bye, everyone, or you're picking up an animal or you're doing whatever, and on one of them it was like, go, go, go, and you open the cage, and I was like, those fucking sandals are on.'t get away from them she's got the shoes on in the

wildlife documentary do you know i thought of you this morning because i was wearing those sandals right around the house and i looked at them really fondly and lovingly and i thought oh when they wear the pics out now they're gonna be nice when I come into the studio and I go look I've got them and you know what I'm really looking forward to it I'm growing to love them just like you well I've loved talking to you as always to be honest before we go actually we've got a recommendation from a listener that we need to hear brilliant hi Nat and Jo this isah from reading i think i've got a bit of a hidden gem for you that not that many people have heard of it's called severance

on apple tv and if you've not seen it or heard of it then definitely go check it out it's one of my absolute favorite shows it's directed by ben stiller it stars adam scott who you'll probably know best as ben from parts and recreationreation. He's fantastic in it. And it also stars Christopher Walken as well. So that's quite cool. And it's kind of a quirky sci fi, slightly off the wall sort of show, where they've developed this technology that can split your personal life from your work life. So when you're at work, you have no recollection of who you are out of work and vice versa. And you become two different people you can't communicate with the other part of yourself so that makes it quite interesting and there's all this mystery around what the company

is what the work is even the people when they're in work don't really know what it is they're doing and they're trying to figure things out and yeah it's just it's just different it's weird it's tense it's a bit bleak in some places uh but really really well done really well acted really well directed oh well yes i've heard people talk about it it's meant to be the best thing ever on the telly ever ever yeah everybody but loads and loads of people are raving should we do it next week yes let's do that next week severance severance thank you also so much for all your voice notes please do keep sending us So people are raving about it. Shall we do it next week? Yes, let's do that next week. Severance. Severance. Thank you also so much for all your voice notes.

Please do keep sending us voice notes on the WhatsApp about anything we've discussed on the pod or anything you'd like to say about the telly. The number is 0-3-3-0-6-7-8-4-7-0-4. We're just so obsessed with the traitors, aren't we, Jo? Love it. That we want to do a bonus episode and invite on an ex-traitor, probably Paul Gorton, let's be honest. Yes.

We can get Paul on as someone. Oh, my God. Maybe Paul and Harry. I would love to talk to Paul. Or whatever, you know, it would be absolutely brilliant. Whole traitor episode. So to make this happen, we need your questions and we need all of your voice notes about the traitors,

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