Off The Telly - "Please don't let me have nits"

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page chat about all things on and off the telly.This week Nat and Jo celebrate their boys getting through to Blackpool on Strictly, plus they catch up about the true crime drama Until I Kill You starring Anna Maxwell Martin and new rom com Nobody Wants This on Netflix.What they can’t stop watching, what they definitely aren’t going to bother with, new releases and comforting classics – TV is timeless and no telly is out of bounds.As well as having a natter about what’s on TV, they share backstage goss from the world of telly, whilst also cracking up about the more humbling moments in their lives.Self-confessed TV addicts and stars of two of the biggest shows on our screens, EastEnders and Gavin and Stacey, Natalie and Joanna are the perfect companions to see what’s occurring on and off the telly.Timecodes for shows discussed this week are:20:06 - Until I Kill You (ITVX) 26:42 - Nobody Wants This (Netflix)Get in touch by sending us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to 03306 784704.Hosts: Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page Producer: Georgia Keating Executive Producer: Pete Strauss Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts Production Co-ordinator: Becky Carewe-Jeffries Sounds Editor: Arlie Adlington Music by MCassoOff The Telly is a BBC Studios Audio Production for BBC Sounds.

Now within this pod, sometimes we do swear, don't we Jo? Yes, we do sometimes. Well, do you know what, right? Not actually that much, do we? I mean, sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. It depends, really. It depends. I don't think we... It's not unnecessary. No, it's not. And it's not really like a lot. Like, we don't do the big ones, do we? We don't drop the C-bombs.

No, but we do drop an F every now and then. Just every now and again. But if you can't drop an F, what can you do? Welcome to Off The Telly, everybody. Hello, everyone. How's your week been? Do you know, it's been really nice. I asked my mum to come up a couple of days ago. Yeah.

And I said, oh, Jess, come up. Dad's about to go into hospital because he's having a thing, an operation on the inside of his nose. Oh, OK. He's all right, though. Yeah, he's all all right. Nothing too serious. No, nothing serious. I said to mum, what if he comes out and he's like Barry Manilow or something

and he comes out and he's like a secret nose job that he's had. So I know, but to Bergerac. I said to Mum, he's going in, I think it's, yeah, he's going in a couple of days. I said, do you think his nose will swell? And she said, well, yeah, it probably will. I said, you've got to send me photos. Whenever I think of noses, there's a lot of famous noses, Pinocchio, and Joni calls me big nose.

I've told you this, haven't I? No! Oh, I must have told you. No, Pinocchio. And Joanie calls me big nose. I've told you this, haven't I? No. Oh, I must have told you. No, no, never. Oh, how funny. She changed my profile on Netflix. So when I get emails, it says, hey, big nose. These are your recommendations.

So my profile is not mummy anymore. It's big nose. Oh, my God. So, yeah, I've got a big nose. They think I've got a big nose. Whatever. I really am not interested. I don't mind. I'm quite happy with a big nose. They think I've got a big nose, whatever. I really am not interested. I don't mind.

I'm quite happy with my big nose. Yeah. But when I think of big noses, I always... Do you remember an advert? And it was, I think, a Christmas advert. And I think it was for TSB or someone. And it was animated and they all had massive hooters. No.

Do you remember it? I kind of do. I kind of do. I think it's all the way back there, but I kind of do. And I do do. I think it's like, it's all the way back there, but I kind of do. And I do remember that. But I can't remember what happens in it. No, I don't know what happens in it,

but they just had huge honkers. God, I like a big nose though. My James has got a very big, strong Roman nose. It's like a really strong nose. And I love it. I love a big nose. What if your dad comes out and he's copied James and he's just got a massive hooter? Well, no, What if your dad comes out and he's copied James and he's just got a massive hooter?

Well, no, but what if dad comes out and he's got a little button nose like me? Because, I mean, dad's got a big, strong nose. I mean, what if he comes out and he's got a little button nose? I think he's treated himself for Christmas. He's got himself a nose job. They come round, hair transplant.

Oh, my God, what if he comes out? Yeah, absolutely. He's in a hair transplant. Completely different. Nose job. Chest hair. He's had his jowls done. He's been waxed all over.

Botox fillers. Had his eyebrows done. Oh, that would be brilliant. Fingers crossed, Nigel Page hasn't had the lot done. I would love to see Nige all done up

round your house for Christmas in a kind of catsuit where he's had a bit of lipo, he's all svelte. Yes, yeah, like a nice smart little suit thing. So Mum has come up to stay. I said, come up and spend some time with us because I've not really seen her or talked to her properly since I finished filming.

And I said, I'm not going to be able to have a chance to sit down and have a chat with you on the phone because it's every, why is it that whenever you go onto the phone,

As soon. It's just like, boom, the children just like dive on you. What is that about? I don't know. It's just like sensing that your attention just isn't on them.

The minute that you start. I know, but they can be in another room watching television and I can be cleaning for room yeah watching television yeah and i can be cleaning for an hour and a half and they don't come in as soon as i pick that phone up to phone someone they're there that's it there there yeah i want him to claw at it pull it you know bo's just going i want boob i want boob or show me nanny and she wants to try and see it then on

the screen and yeah yeah so i went well there's no point in speaking to you on the phone. I've got loads to chat to you. Come up. So she came up. We went into town, had my highlights done. We went and had food. And it was really, really nice because we never get to do any of that. That's really nice.

Because we live so far away from each other. Oh, that's really nice. I know. So that was lovely. And she was utterly exhausted, though. And over the weekend, we ended up getting out. We suddenly got really Christmassy for the first time. Right.

We put the Christmas songs on, Paul McCartney's one. What's Paul McCartney's one now? Because that's the first one that came on. Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas Time. Is it? I think it is. I think it is. Then we had George Michael's one

and then we started talking about last Christmas and the holiday. And then we got really Christmassy and I said, right, come on, stuff it, let's get the board games out. I mean, I'm a Christmas fan but this is early doors. I think it's the earliest I might have done but we played Cluedo, we played Monopoly

and then we got out the Traitors board game which I bought at the beginning of this year or something. I think it must have or maybe it was for Christmas or something last year. Good God. Is it good? You get it out, right? And the instructions,

I felt like I was doing a university degree. Oh, no. It was insane. It was insane, right? There were so many different cards of, like, missions and then what you are and then other things and other things. And then it would say, if you are then the traitor, you've got to go through your different missions.

Oh, I'm out. Whilst you're trying to be the traitor. I'm out. So whilst you're trying to be the traitor and do something, during this, right, this was one of your missions, you have to make a stable tower made up of different, about five or six objects varying in width, bigger at the bottom, smaller to the top until you've made your

pyramid. This is like subtly, right, without anybody noticing. Then after that, you've got to make then something like an inverted pyramid. It was something else. I just thought, oh, well, this is insane. And I was trying to play it with an 11 year old and a nine year old and also an OAP. And so it was just, it was just too much. And reading the instructions, it was just like, oh, it was like honestly doing a degree. So in the end, we went, stuff this, let's just get the traitor and faithful cards out. So we all sat in a circle and we had one traitor card and we shuffled them so that we each put a card out and then we looked like that. You could see if you were a faithful or a traitor. And then we just went off and started walking around the house and we would go up to each

other and go, Kit, can I have a word with you? Do you want to have a chat? And then we'd go off and have a chat and we'd go, right, what do you think? Do you think anybody's being suspicious? Well, I think that Nanny, when she... Oh, that's good. So we all started talking and there was one time when I was a traitor

and I managed and I thought, oh my God, is this psychologically really bad for my children now? Because I managed to plant amongst everybody that James was the traitor and he wasn't at all and then when we came in we sat back down um and we all then did you know how you all discuss before you write the name down and then you turn the thing I managed to convince everybody that James was the traitor but it wasn't it was me and then when we decide who we voted out and banished

that person has to go and stand by the kitchen door and then they have to go i i then go james we are going to find out because this is from alan cumming from the american series are you a faithful or are you a traitor which is the way alan cumming does it and then he had to announce what he was i did a bit of paul when i'd say that i was a faithful because they didn't get me for the traitor and i did about oh good good but, I was very excited. And then if that person is wrong and says, you know, I am a faithful, we all then have to go right after three, the traitor has to stand up. Well.

And then you stand up. I like your way. It's very, very good. And that will be on in the new year. Yes, it will. That will be back on. I'm very excited. Before that comes back on, Strictly Come Dancing, very, very quickly,

quick debrief. Yes. Both of our boys are off to Blackpool. Yay! The boys are going to Blackpool. They've made it. Well done. Well done, boys.

My God, remember in the beginning when we first started talking about them? And now look at them. They're in Blackpool. I'll tell you something. Wow. It's very, very good. I had a bit of inside info from Jamie today. Tell me everything.

Just about sort of his costume, song. No, I can't. Oh, my God. Give us a little hint. No, I can't. I can't. All I'm going to say is it's going to be good. Is it a fast or a slow one?

I can't say. Is it Latin or modern? I don't even know if it's been on the telly that he knows his song, so I can't say. I don't think I've seen what he's heard or what his song is. No. And I've got no inside knowledge from when. I don't think I've seen what he's heard or what his song is. No. And I've got no inside knowledge from when. I don't know what he's doing.

Well, he'll be nervous after being in the dance-off, but I reckon he's just going to absolutely love it and enjoy it. Yeah. Because I think once you get to Blackpool, you've sort of won. You have. You've made it to Blackpool, and I think when you're there, you've got to embrace it and you've got to go, you know what, I'm just going to enjoy it now.

Absolutely, yeah, just have a a lot a lot of fun oh so I really hope they all have an absolutely brilliant time up there because I did I loved Blackpool oh is it what's it like it's just amazing it's just such an iconic place and the dark it means so much to the dancers you'll never know but you know they've won their stuff there their competitions and how hard they've worked and it just means so much to them so all the dancers really want to get to blackpool and i think if you can do that for them yeah then you feel like you've won yes it doesn't really matter about where you're getting you're doing it for your partner because they're working so hard for you and teaching you yeah but brilliant it's very bouncy floor really big it's much much bigger so you have to cover a lot more space oh my god i wonder how win will be feeling after being in the bottom two my gosh i was so nervous when i was watching it and then i was watching his face and everything

and then when he did the dance off i just i thought he was great and i thought he gave it everything yeah and i thought it was right but i thought he gave it everything. Yeah. And I thought it was but I thought Shane was brilliant as well. I mean my God you just don't know. At this point you just don't know do you? But I was so so chuffed that he got through. Me too. I was too. Really really good. Come on boys! Very very very good. Oh my God. So have you

finished watching Rivals? Well it's interesting you say that. I think so. Oh my God how do you not know if you've finished? Because I've been so busy that I don't know if I've watched it in bed and then, like, fallen asleep. Oh, my God. Well, do you know what's...

No, I have. I've finished it. I've finished it. Yes. I have finished it. Oh, my God. Have you finished it? Because I don't want to give a spoiler.

No, I have. Because a lot happens at the end, doesn't it? Massive. Oh, no. It's a brilliant series and I just can't wait for the next one. Me too Can't wait. Me too But yeah I think

It's brilliant if you haven't seen it yet really watch it honestly It is just a romp just such fun with great bits in it really really good really good. Let's see what our listeners are saying shall we we've got this voice note here from chris hello nat and joe this is chris the bookbinder who works on the repair

shop just want to say i love your podcast keeps me laughing off camera while i'm meant to be working i'm listening to your podcast just keeps me really cheered up in the barn because it is a bit cold here at the moment. So thanks for that. Keep it coming. Oh, thank you, Chris. The bookbinder, what a great job. Oh my God, yes. I love that barn. Yeah, God, me too.

It's nice. And you know, like just having jobs like that where you actually are skilled at something. I know. Other than just like talking. No, I know, just acting. Yeah, and just like the calmness of just having your thing that you're doing and your skill. And you can imagine the detail of like, you know, taking off the old book.

I think it's quite incredible. That's lovely. Isn't that a lovely job? Yeah. To work in a bookshop. Oh, I'd like that. But I'd end up having to want to be, you like some sort of you know person like well I want to say like Julia Roberts coming in in the beginning of Notting Hill but she's not working in the shop

is she but she's just you know coming I'd end up being like putting on a sort of as if I'm not a librarian but like a bookshop seller I have always said I would absolutely love a little cafe yeah with some books in it and I'd just work in there. I'd be very happy. Yeah. I really would. Me too. Some vinyls.

Yeah. A little record player. That would be nice. Nice coffee in the evening. It turns into a bit of, you know, you can have a glass of wine. I'd like that. Why don't you open one? I might do.

I would like to. Yeah. I would like, maybe I should do like a Jeremy Clarkson. I mean, it's not on the scale of the farm shop but i'd like but maybe i could do the nats book shop yeah hey you could um do your own book review your own book club no i can't i can't do that i haven't got time to read true at the moment i just haven't got the time but maybe in that job i would yeah because i'd be working in the shop yes i'd make coffee, but there'd be quiet periods.

Yes. So I could get through a book. That would be nice. That would be nice. Would you be in London or would you move out to the Cotswolds somewhere? No, no. I think, actually, I think I'd be in London. Would you?

I think I would. Oh, that sounds lovely. I'd like that. You'd come in and see me, wouldn't you? I'd be in there all the bloody time. I'd be in there with my coffee. I'd like that. You'd come in and see me, wouldn't you? I'd be in there all the bloody time. I'd be in there with my coffee. I'd want some cake. I'd want like a coffee cake.

And it'd be like, you know, like, well, actually, you know, the shows that we've been watching. It's like the Gilmore Girls. You'd come in and see me and I'd just give you free coffees all the time. You'd give me free coffees. I'd want some like coffee and walnut cake. I'd be wearing my tweed coat and I might then start wearing a hat

and I'd have fingerless gloves and you'd come in and see me I'd come in and I'd have like a brown satchel which was quite battered and I'd like to sit down

and you could recommend books yeah oh I'd say oh you're writing today and you say I've just got this project that I'm writing you could come and write in the cafe

oh I'd like that and I might have like I know I was going to say an old typewriter but I wouldn't I think I would have a laptop because I like the way that Carrie Bradshaw does it. And I'd be like that and I'd want to have thick hair. Oh, Diane, you and the bloody hair.

You've got lovely hair. We've both not got loads of hair. You've got more hair than me. I don't think so. Your hair looks thick. Have you got thick hair? No. I think your hair...

Very, very fine hair. Yeah. But not a lot of it. No, sorry. I've got very, very fine hair. Yes. But a lot of it. Do you know when I went to get my highlights done in the last few days

do you know the only thought that was going through my head was please don't let me have knits because since the kids have gone back oh yeah there's been like a knit resurgence thing and it just seems to be like knit knit knit have you watched the motherland with the knits oh i probably have but i can't remember the episode oh What happens in it? Oh, you would remember. You've just got to see it. They've all got knits and they have a knit party and they go around. It's fucking brilliant.

You've got to watch it. Because now I just seem to like, I'm constantly doing a knit treatment on myself every couple of months. Yeah. And I was sitting there, I just thought, oh, just please, just don't find a knit, you know? It's not what you want really, is it?

It's not, is it? No. It's not. Not at all. Also, oh oh quite a few of you um at home have responded to nat being scared when she turns off the lights at home i think quite a lot of us yeah i like that have a listen to this voice note hi it's sarah from perth in western australia i just had a tip for you around uh what you're talking about about going to bed and having to turn the lights off. So I have a lamp with a timer on it that goes off well after I've normally gone to bed.

So that means I don't have to turn the lights off when I go to bed. It serves a couple of purposes, though, because when I'm out for the evening, it looks like someone's home, so no one's home to break in. And also when I come home of an evening and it's dark, I've got the lights on so yeah. Thank you very much I agree with you about the timer that's a good idea

for when you're getting into bed the stuff about leaving a light on just reminds me of a Lee Evans sketch that I will always remember. What is that? That they've got burglars who have cased out a joint and they know what it is and they come through and they've got all the way through and they're like, oh, no, fuck it, there's a lamp on.

Let's not burgle this house. It's not going to change someone's mind. It's not, is it? No. We've managed to get through the door. It's not going to change. There's no dog here. Is that a lamp on in the hallway?

Let's go. Very fun Lee Evans sketch from one of my DVDs. God. Yeah. Yeah. I used to sleep with a light on all the time when I was little. All the time. I had a little nightlight.

Did you? It was kind of a little porcelain. Yeah. With animals in it. Like a little animal house. And it was a nightlight with a very small bulb. Yeah. animals in it like a little animal house and it was a nightlight with a very small bulb yeah um but nowadays i have i don't know what's happening to me you know with the sleeping thing really what's happening i just like it really dark and very quiet yeah when mark's in if mark's not in

oh god all the lamps are on and everything's on yeah oh god when i as well when i was small i used to have to sleep with a big light on and it was just bright all the time. No. Yeah. And when I was little, I must have been about eight because I still remember it now. And my nan said to me that if I slept with a big light on, it would kill my brain cells and it wouldn't allow my brain to go to sleep. And so my brain would never sleep and I would end up losing brain cells. I believed it. She could have been right with you. Well, she could have.

She could have. But that stuck with me. That stuck with me. It didn't work. I was like, I don't care. I'll still leave the light on. But say I go and stay in a hotel, I have to leave the bathroom light on.

So I'll be in the room and I have to have the room dark. I have to have the curtains open. I know what you mean. And the light on in the bathroom with the door shut so it's dark enough so I can sleep. But I've got some light.

But then also, right, why would you even want to do that? Because if you do have the light on, so that if you wake up and you look, you can see that it's all bright. Well, I don't want to wake up and see a man standing there. You know? No. I don't know what you mean.

No, but if you've got the light on... I know, but I think it's better to have a little bit of light. Yeah. It's a hard one. It is, isn't it? Well, at least our listeners agree with us. Well, there's another listener who actually embraces all the scary stuff. Listen to this one.

Listening to your last podcast when you were all talking about the haunting of Hill House and how you're always so scared of creepy spooky things it just maybe I'm built different because I love it I love the adrenaline of being scared I go around them jump scare mazes um and they don't bother me at all and actually if you were to see my bedroom it's full of haunted, creepy dolls. And don't judge me for that. It's just I'm obsessed with horror movies as well. So I have all the famous icon figures and stuff like that.

And on my shelf, I'm looking at now I can see Annabelle, Frankenstein, Leatherface. And my room itself is like a gothic bedroom so um when i watch haunting of hill house i was like cool that's really cool anyway i just thought i'd say because it always makes me laugh when you're so scared god each to their own yes i don't think i could go to sleep with like dolls and everything watching me. I used to have those Victorian China dolls in my bedroom. Did you? Yeah, that didn't help my life. No.

Why is there something? What is it about them? It's just weird, isn't it? I don't know. There is something about dolls and toys. You know, China. The little China ones that are all dressed up. Oh, God.

They were weird, weren't they? They were. I collected those as well. Yeah. God. Right, shows that we've watched this week, I think we have had a very good week. God, yes.

So this week we're going to be delving into Nobody Wants This on Netflix and Until I Kill You, which is a true crime drama on ITV. Just a warning, Until I Kill You deals with domestic abuse and violence. And just to let you know that it can be very triggering. So just to put a warning out there. Listeners, if you'd like to skip this section because it's quite triggering, please do. My God. You won't believe what I did.

What did you do? What did I do? I did a you. How do you mean? Last night, half ten. Yes do. My God. You won't believe what I did. What did you do? I did a you. I did a you. How do you mean? Last night, half ten. Yes. Started. Yes.

Started Until I Kill You. Oh my God. Watched the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we weren't going to do that show. So Until I Kill You, which is a true crime drama. Yeah.

Which is on ITV. We weren't going to do that show this week, were we? We weren't going to do something else. Yeah. And then I started, because my mum said to me, have you seen Until I Kill You? we weren't going to do that show this week were we we weren't going to do something else yeah and then I started because my mum said to me have you seen until I kill you it's with Sean Evans and Anna Maxwell Martin and it's the true story of Delia Barmer and um and John Sweeney who they met each other and um he turned out to be a serial killer and um she you know survived being in a relationship with him and my mum said have you

seen it and I said no I haven't and she said it is so harrowing yeah she said I started watching it and she said I then didn't think that I could finish the series it was just too much and too she said I was absolutely terrified and you don't see you know anything but it's not like a horror film type thing or you know but it's it's just, it's utterly terrifying. His portrayal is terrifying. It is terrifying. And mum said, you have to watch it. I had to watch it all the way to the end

because I just had to watch it. And so I put it on and I just watched it back to back to back until I finished at about four in the morning or something. They're about 45 minutes long. So actually they are... And there's four of them. There's four of them, 45 minutes. So they're quite quick

But I really thought Oh I'll just watch two of these Yes Couldn't stop watching it I couldn't stop watching it And as much as I was terrified It's that psychological You don't call it a thriller really

Do you? Because it's real life Yeah But you just think What she went through Oh god And the police And the story of

Him kind of getting justice and the journey to that and how he was free. Yeah, because it starts around about 1994 and then she finally, he finally goes to prison in about 2007. Yeah, 91 or something. And every time they kept going, two years later, a year later, I was thinking, oh, my God, he's still around. He's still walking the streets. I know. I couldn't year later, I was thinking, oh, my God, he's still around. He's still walking the streets.

I know. I couldn't believe it that I was thinking, oh, my God, he's still living in London. He's still there. So Delia, I mean, I just became just so fascinated with her. I thought Anna Maxwell Martin, who plays Delia, had such an incredible performance. And then I was just so fascinated.

I was watching interviews then afterwards. And I just thought her performance was incredible I think she completely captured just sort of you know meeting this John Sweeney and how charming he was in the beginning and he was he was charming he was friendly you know he was nice and then they formed this relationship and I just thought it was terrifying how suddenly you could see him slowly start to change. I know, I know. And I mean, like Sean Evans, you know, who plays him. Yes, yes. I thought it was just incredible because he was really nice in the beginning.

When they were in the pub and he was very pleasant and he was really lovely. And then you slowly see him start to turn and the mind games he starts playing. And then he's like, do you want to see pictures of my old girlfriend? I know, I know. And then he makes her feel insecure and makes her and i don't think i've ever seen a portrayal like that of just such abuse where it's all psychological and you're just terrified and the fact that she was so let down by the police time and time again and i've never understood before why somebody wouldn't want to testify against someone because they're too frightened. And now after watching that, I completely can understand why you would be too frightened to stand there and, you know, give evidence as the only witness and give evidence.

Because she said, if you let him out or if you let him out on bail, he is going to come and kill me. And the police are like, oh, we'll keep watch. It'll be fine. And he did. He turned up. And if it wasn't for her bike separating them, he wouldn't have killed her. And the neighbour. God, it was awful. That young boy. Yeah.

No, I thought it was brilliant. And also, can I say, you know, true crime is not my cup of tea. But I did think that was, you know, absolutely amazing. It was, wasn't it? It was incredible. And I love Anna Maxwell-Martin. Oh, she's so good. In everything she does.

But this, I think that's award winning stuff. Me too. And then I just thought, God, I can't believe that that is kind of still going on now. And I mean, it's so sort of appropriate for it to be on now with sort of like the way that things are, you know, the cases that we've heard, you know, in the police and all things like that. And also the way that women are still treated these days. It's so frightening. Very much so. I think I thought it was just incredible. I couldn't stop watching. I thought it was utterly terrifying. I can't even believe that, you know, I can't believe that it's true. I mean, it's quite triggering. You know, it's quite harrowing. I was in a horrible relationship

years and years ago. And it does make you think about that if you have been controlled or you know or mentally yeah you know put down and stuff like that so I did find it quite difficult yeah but at the same time it's you know an amazing story and I just thought at the end when she's you know still around now and she's still traveling and she loved her travelling and she's still doing that. And you think, that's amazing. What a survivor. Yeah. And just what a brave, brave woman.

Yes. But Anna Maxwell Martin, because the nuances of her accent. Yes. And kind of when she'd spoke to her brother in Texas, she went into that a bit because she was talking to her family member. Yeah. And then the Canadian bit and she'd been born in Australia and her little twitches and yeah I just thought she wasn't afraid to kind of just be real it was incredible yeah when you're doing a drama there's a sometimes you

know it can be like oh this character really needs to be sympathetic or because you're the main female you've got but she just played you know she she played Delia and she was just completely true to life with all those nuances and personality traits and, you know, Sean Evans. I mean, when he started playing John Sweeney, he didn't come out going, oh, I'm just going to be a really evil person. He was just, you know, he was charming in the beginning.

And I loved Amanda Wilkin who played Leah, the best friend. I thought she was really good. Yeah, she was. I mean, she saved her life. She was heartfelt. And even she in the end moved away. I know, you think, my God. Because she was petrified.

Yeah, she was terrified because he knew where she lived. No, brilliant, brilliant. If you haven't seen it. Absolutely incredible. A quick one to watch and it was incredible. Mind blown. Yeah. So, completely and utterly opposite to that...

Yes. ...was Nobody Wants This, which was on Netflix, which I think we've spoken about it, or it seems we've been, like, everywhere. Everybody is, like, raving about it. So it's with Adam Brody and Kristen Bell. And I was kind of... Everybody's raving, going, oh, my God, it's amazing.

And, oh, yeah, where I'd read was they have, like, the perfect kiss. I read an interview with Kristen Bell, and she was saying that on the page it said he then gives her the best kiss in the world and she said reading that in the script was like well my god that's a bit of pressure how the hell are we going to do the most romantic and best kiss in the world and so she was saying about the way he holds her face and, you know, she was talking about how they acted, you know, the kiss. And so I was thinking, you know, I want to see what this is like now. And I started watching it and I thought,

oh God, I bet this is going to be, you know, they're not supposed to be together, but they're going to be together and I can't be bothered. But then I got drawn into it. I did. Yeah, I've watched one and a half episodes. Well, I popped it on whilst doing quite a lot of ironing.

Yes. And sorting out all my washing. So it was on quite loud and I was in and out, in and out. I didn't sit and completely... But then it got me, I was there and then I started watching. I thought, no, I'm going to sit down and watch this. And it must have been on for four eps. Oh, my God.

And I loved... I'll tell you who I love, who's just absolutely my favourite. Is it Ashley? The one that she goes to her dinner party in, I think it's the first episode. Yeah, I fucking love that. I really, really like her. I'm really drawn towards her.

She really makes me laugh. And I haven't, as a grown-up, if you like, I feel like this is kind of Friends for grown-ups. It is. And I know that Friends was grown-up, but I watched it when I was 11. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? For me, it was a kid's, I watched it when I was little.

But I feel like this is a feel-good thing that you could watch and watch and watch. Yeah. And I love the fact they're doing a podcast because of ours, you know, like we do one. Yes. And I just love just the naturalistic. Yes. I feel like it's really natural.

Yeah. It's funny. I was really impressed by it. I wouldn't say that it's my favourite thing in the world and I just want to watch it every day. But it's something that I would put on. And I'm very snobby. I don't watch a lot of American comedy.

Yes. I find it difficult. Yeah. I can't get into it unless it's Cobra Enthusiasm. I liked it because it was, it's natural, isn't it? And I like it that it's quite bitey

and she's quite sharp and bitey. And they have a lot of chemistry. They do, don't they? They really do. Oh my God, when Adam Brody, I was like, oh my God, I don't know if any relationship ever would be like this because he's so gentlemanly and he listens. Yeah.

He's kind and he holds the door and he's adorable. I mean, and I think his brother is hilarious. Yeah. I was laughing when they all, the four of them, ended up in like that bar. That was, I thought that was, I just thought, I think it's funny. I like it that she's, that she's not all like, oh that was i just thought i think it's funny i like it that she's that she's not all like oh it's sweet and that's why i like it the the yeah that she's just she's just real and she's normal have you you've not watched the one yet where they go

on a date no no it's very very funny is it really really good you've got to watch it no i need something for the podcast and they've got a guest on but she needs to buy something that the guest is specialist in and she ends up

having to go and get a dildo from the sex shop because her sister's not done it. And he's like, we can go and get what you need.

And she's like, no, no, we won't do it now. We won't do it now. And they end up obviously in the sex shop and it's really, it's go and get what you need. And she's like, no, no, we won't do it now. We won't do it now. And they end up, obviously, in the section. And it's really, it's good. But it's not forced. I feel like it's very natural.

Yeah. And I really like it. Really, really good. I like it too. I'm going to carry on watching it. I am too. I think it's good. Yeah.

Yeah. I think Eliza will like it as well. Mm-hmm. She's at that sort of age. Yeah. Yeah. She's 14. In fact, I have to say, she might go, oh, it's all old. Do you think so? She might go, oh, it's all old people. Well, it kind of is, though, isn't it? Yeah, it. She's 14. In fact, I have to say she might go, oh, it's all old.

Do you think so? She might go, oh, it's all old people. Well, it kind of is though, isn't it? Yeah, it's older. Yeah, because it is older. And I think that's why I like it as well. Because it's not just like all, you know, 25-year-olds. They are all older.

I like it. Some of them have, like, you know, been engaged and then they've left the engagement. Or some of them are divorced and other ones are married. And it is just a bit older. So nobody is like this sugary romantic. Everything is just a bit straighter. It is. And I can't remember,

Kristen Bell said something, there was one line and it was really, it was really rude and I can't remember what it was now but it just made me laugh so much that everything is just like, oh my God,

and in the first episode when her and her sister are having a meal with her parents who've got divorced. Oh, I know. But her mum is still in love with the God. And in the first episode, when her and her sister are having a meal with her parents who've got divorced. Oh, I know. But her mum is still in love with the dad. And he's gay. Yes.

And I just like the way that's just, I just like the dynamic of all the together. I like the cleverness of him knowing the waiter's name and the mum having a little look. But even when the phone went and she shoves him out the way and he falls. Get out the way. It's brilliant.

It is clever. It is really funny, actually. Yeah. Credit where credit's due. Yes. Really, really good. It also feels a bit Christmassy, even though it's not. It does, doesn't it? Well, she had that big fake fur coat on in the last episode.

Maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was a coat. Yeah, but I think it's being in America as well, and it does seem, yeah, it's like cold and stuff, and just, yeah, it does. It seems a bit The holiday-ish to me. Yes, yeah. Well, I've not seen that, so I don't know why I'm saying yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. We've had this conversation last year. And you still didn't watch it last Christmas. No, I didn't have time. What are we in now? Jesus, are we in November? Maybe we've just spoken about, yeah. We're in November.

Yeah. I feel like it's only about March. I mean, like, I don't even know where the year's gone. Well, your weekend last weekend would have been strange if it was March. So, you have to promise to watch the holiday this Christmas then. I promise. It's brilliant. I will.

It's brilliant. I've got to watch Elf first. Then I need to watch Home Alone. Then I have to watch The Grinch you see I've got I know I know I should branch out

but I have to watch the ones that I need to watch first have you seen the whole Home Alone house in Lego I saw that the other day and I was like

oh my god a part of me really really wants to buy it but then the thought of that's just basically going to be an argument on Christmas Day

amongst the family isn't it all of you trying to build the Home Alone house. Yeah, I don't go for it. It's really expensive as well, isn't it? It's going to be like 600 quid or something. I posted something up on Instagram yesterday. I don't know if you saw it.

No, what was it? But it really made me laugh. And it was of the house. And it said, the older I get, the more I want to know how Kevin's dad afforded this house and nine people going to Paris or New York. Yes. Oh, my God. But that is true, isn't it?

You never think of those things when you're watching it when you're little. Then you think there's 20 of them getting on an aeroplane in a minute in business. Exactly. Yes. Absolutely, Keiko. Oh, my God. Yeah. Do you think that you ever would get to that situation

where you're on the plane and everything and you've left one of your children behind no because i i half think i would and i half think i wouldn't only because i wouldn't leave one behind but i might leave an item of their clothing because we got all the way into town once that is very very different yeah and now whenever we leave the house i do have to go is everyone shoes? And everyone has to say yes. But I don't think I would go, is everyone here? And then, you know, you end up turning up and kicking up. There's a lot of them, though.

There's a lot of family members. I mean, if I put all my family together with all the nieces and all of the great nieces and nephews, like all of us, there's a possibility that that possibly could happen. It could. If you were in a real rush, there is a possibility. The photos that I've seen, you've all kind of got the same hair colour and the same length of hair.

It's true. I mean, one of you could go missing and you wouldn't know. It's true. Wouldn't be missing much. Before we go, we've got time to hear a recommendation from a listener, which we need and we love. So let's listen to this. Hi, ladies. Absolutely love the podcast.

I'm quite a new listener, but I really love all your recommendations. So I thought I'd give one to you. And it's for a series on ITV called Joan. A lot of people are talking about it, so you might have heard about it. But, yeah, it's a really, really good series. Sophie Turner is amazing, and she just looks incredible throughout the whole thing. And I was literally in tears within 15 minutes of the first episode. So yeah, give it a go.

That's Joan on ITV. And I'm Hannah from Northampton. Thanks, ladies. Oh, thank you, Hannah. Brilliant. Thank you. We need to check that out. I think so because also that is my daughter's name.

So I feel drawn to Joan. I know it's Joanie, but we call her Joan all the time. So I feel drawn to Joan. I know it's Joanie, but we call her Joan all the time. So I do feel like I need to watch it. My friend Kirsty J Curtis is in that as well, who was in EastEnders with us. What's she playing? I don't know what she's playing,

but I've just seen her post and she was on set. So I'd love to watch it because she's a cracking actress. Really good. Let's do that one. Yeah, that sounds good. And also, thank you to everybody who's answered our call out for voice notes about your favourite hens or your most iconic hens. I am now feeling that I've entered this new world. Brilliant.

And I think I now can say what a hen is. I am excited for Friday. Oh my God, me too. I've been watching so many funny videos. Have you? Yes. I've seen you in one of them. Perfect. Good, good. That's what we want.

Yes. It will be really, really good and I'm looking forward to having a chat about the best huns. Yes. We've also got a little call. Maybe. Oh, exciting. A little spoiler, spoiler alert. Yes. Maybe someone who really knows their huns is going to be chatting to us.

Well, I am very, very excited. Please do keep sending us voice notes on WhatsApp about anything we've discussed on the pod or anything you'd like to say about the telly. The number is 033 06784 704. Well, thanks as always for listening. We've had a great time today. It's been good, hasn't it? It has. It's been really lovely.

Lovely to see you. Your highlights look really good. Thank you. And, yeah, can't wait to see you next week. Yep, see you next week. Going out on Wednesday, and our bonus Hams episode is on Friday. Absolutely.

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