Off The Telly - So many dingles dangling

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

What are we watching? Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page chat about all things telly.This week they chat about why they love raunchy new period drama Mary & George, why Interior Design Masters with Alan Carr is a good comfort watch, and their mixed views on new BBC3 comedy Things You Should Have Done.In Off the Telly, Natalie and Jo talk about what they can’t stop watching, what they definitely aren’t going to bother with, and what you’re all watching at home. From new shows to comfort telly to guilty pleasures, there’s no judgement here. What’s kept us all glued to our screens this week?Self-confessed TV addicts and stars of two of the biggest shows on our screens, Eastenders and Gavin and Stacey, Natalie and Joanna are the perfect companions to your weekly viewing habits.Get in touch by sending us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to 03306 784704.Hosts: Natalie Cassidy and Joanna Page Producer: Georgia Keating Executive Producer: Richard Morris Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts Unit Manager: Lucy Bannister Sounds Editor: Arlie Adlington Music by MCassoOff The Telly is a BBC Studios Production for BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts on the telly. Ooh! Just to warn you, there might be a bit of swearing through this and we might spoil a few things, so make sure you're up to date and you've watched what we're talking about. How are you this week? What have you been up to? I'm very good. I've been a little bit poorly.

Have you? Just in the house. It's just filled with germs. Yeah, it's not going away, is it? It's not, it's just dragging around. But apart from that, all very good. And I've really enjoyed our choices of TV this week.

Me too. I can't wait to get stuck in. I've got a thing now for just one year-ing. I think I'm going to get James, the husband, to maybe get an ear piercing. So he can just have one dangling little earring, maybe a pearl or a cross. What with Mary, what with Mary and and george what with king james george and then harry from the traitors i think i've now become a little bit partial to one earring in a man's lobe and we think a pearl

no i think probably a little bit of gold but some gold cross cross. But a dangle. A dangle, definitely a dangle. Definitely a dangler. Yes, yes. There's quite a lot of dingles, dongles and danglers in there in George. I can't wait to get talking about. I don't think I've seen any. It's like I'm speechless. I'm speechless to be perfectly honest.

I don't think I've seen that much dangling in a while. No. And for you to be speechless, that's saying something, Jo. Have you watched any more of Bill Bailey's walks? No. Neither have I, but my mum did say that she's downloaded Alan Davis's one. Okay. Again, it's not that I wouldn't want to do that.

Just haven't had the chance. And if I'm sat down and I'm going to be watching something in the afternoon, say with my daughter, with Eliza or whatever, we go for something like Sort Your Life Out, Stacey Solomon. sat down and I'm going to be watching something in the afternoon, say with my daughter, with Eliza or what have you, we'd go for something like Sort Your Life Out, Stacey Solomon. We watched loads of those the other day together. How many in a row did you watch? It was about six.

Yeah, we both felt a bit rough when we just sat on the sofa. But it's so good. And I think if I put on Bill Bailey's Walks, Eliza would just say, Mum, that's a bit boring. Yeah. She'd find it a bit dull. Yeah. Don't you love a bit dull. Yeah. Don't you love the bit where they go to the warehouse and she's taken everything?

Well, she personally hasn't, but all of the men have taken everything out and just put it all in the big warehouse. What would your warehouse look like? My warehouse at the moment would be full of loads of cuddly toys, loads and loads of boots and shoes from when I used to wear heels. And I've still kept them yeah thinking just keep them just in case now but I've now got to the point where in my head if I've

got to do a red carpet or an event I'm kind of like I think I could rock the whole ball gown with trainers look because I really I've reached that point in my life where I do not give a shit anymore and I just think I'm like I don't want to wear heels anymore I don't want to wear heels for you so but I'm still keeping hold of them yeah keep playing in them yeah so yeah loads of heels and then just a load of shit to be honest loads of stuff I'm constantly trying to you know get rid of just everything now I'm ready to declutter yeah it made me the other day we were set watching it and then I jumped up and started sorting out the pasta drawer. Really? Well, I've got a pull-out thing, yeah, and I jumped up,

and it sort of does give you inspo. Yeah, it does, doesn't it? And I do have to be honest, I don't know why, but lately I've thought about dying and... Oh, lovely. You know, when you die, just not to leave a load of stuff behind. I agree. Because nobody wants it. And I think memory boxes are important.

Do you? Because I don't anymore. I've become quite brutal. I think it's good to have a few things. We've got stuff of the girls. So we have got two big clear boxes. They'll chuck them in the bin when you're dead. Yeah, they'll chuck them in the bin.

They're not going to care that you've got their first birthday card. I've kept all of the birthday cards, not from friends, but from family. And then I looked at them and I thought, well, when I die, Eva's just going to be like, well, oh, yeah, look, there's my one-year-old birthday card from Nanny and Bampa. She'll chuck it in the bin.

Okay. Shall we get into the... Come on. Oh, shall we do our messages? I think we should look at our messages because we've had loads and loads and loads of true crime recommendations for me. Oh, that's just brilliant.

I'm loving it, listeners, when you just like get in touch with us and you're telling us and you're recommending things. It is so lovely. And we've got some voice notes to play as well. From Annabelle. Loving the podcast, guys. For true crime, I think the best place to start

is on Netflix, making a murderer when i first got netflix it was like right okay this was like your introduction to netflix watch making a murderer it's what kicked off my true crime obsession also for something totally different have you watched lessons in chemistry yet fabulous keep up the great work annabelle no i've not watched lessons in chemistry no and i've not heard anything about it i shall be googling that later Annabelle. No, I've not watched Lessons in Chemistry. No, and I've not heard anything about it. I shall be Googling that later, Annabelle, and having a look where it's on, and maybe we look into that one.

Yeah. Lessons in Chemistry sounds great. What's the name of the one? I want to call it, it's not The Wire, because I know what The Wire is, but it's the something or other. Oh, the one where they're making the drugs? No, no.

It's a true crime one, and they're interviewing this man, real life man, all the way through, and I think it's for the murder one and they're interviewing this man real life man all the way through and i think it's for the murder of his wife i think it is and he's uh chatting away about and he's denying it all the way through until you get to the very end and he's got a um you know microphone on him yeah and he goes to the toilet and he thinks that they've switched the microphone off and then he starts talking to himself in the mirror, it is just... Do you think that's real? Yes, I do. Listeners, if you can remember

what that one is called, let us know because I think Nat would enjoy that one because that's very good. I watched all, I think it was six or eight... That sounds set up to me. Definitely not. I watched all six or eight episodes once when I was wrapping Christmas presents. I did them all, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, all one after the other and I felt quite ill

afterwards, but I got all the presents wrapped. What a random thing to watch whilst wrapping up your Crimbo presents. I know. No Baileys and a Christmas jingle. No, I had a Baileys and a Christmas drink as well. Elf or? Well, that's how much I like my true crime drama. Home Alone?

Might be wrapping Lego, but get a bit of true crime drama on at the same time. Home Alone freaks me out. I'll shut the doors because I'm worried about being burgled. That's as far as it goes. So do we have... Oh, we've got our voice notes now. Yeah, let's play in our voice notes, please. Voice note from Kerry. Nat, I just feel like you're my soul sister.

I don't do true crime. I can't be interested in them. I can't find a good one. So I will be waiting for recommendations. And I can't eat anywhere else except for the table. Occasionally, I might have some crisps and wine in my room. But otherwise, no. Food at the table, Jo.

Food at the table. What? That's right. What? Listeners, are there any of you out there that are with me on this? Because crisps and just a bit of wine. There'll be loads of people like you that eat in bed. There'll be a 50-50 split.

But this week, Kerry agrees with me. I finished off a whole box of chocolates in bed the other weekend. Did you? Yeah, a whole shebang. And I was going to have a fry up in bed, but then I thought, no, make an effort. Let's go downstairs and you'll have it bed the other weekend. Did you? Yeah, a whole shebang. And I was going to have a fry up in bed, but then I thought, no, make an effort, let's go downstairs and we'll have it on the kitchen table. Shall we hear this from Daniel?

I think it's called The BA Killer. It's a really, it was not that long ago, but it was all over the news. It was a really fascinating documentary to watch her parents incredibly moving and a really good little start off finale if you're not into documentaries true crime documentaries very interesting and a uk one as well um so just want to share that with you and i've watched mary and george on sky which let me tell you i mean i'm a homosexual but even i was blushing i mean it's

filthy if you like but actually it's based on a true story which is just even more incredible and so I watched the whole lot I binged the whole lot could not sleep I was like

obsessed with it so definitely a recommendation sending you lots of love oh that's lovely thank you Daniel the BA killer

sounds awful I'm never going to go to an airport or get on a plane again if I watch that Oh my god But we'll have a look at it Hey look, we've got some other recommendations

The Way on BBC iPlayer which is about a revolution in Wales and is written by Michael Sheen and Adam Curtis Oh that sounds good It stars Stefan Rodri who plays Dave Coaches in Gavin and Stacey I love Stefan Rodri That's really good Coaches in Gavin and Stacey. I love Stefan Rodri. That's really good.

I was supposed to go and audition for that. My mate Mally plays the part of the wife in it. Oh, really? Yeah, but I didn't go and meet for it because, oh my gosh, I was just too nervous about meeting Michael Sheen. I've met him before and he's lovely. He's such a lovely, lovely man. Hugely talented. And that's the reason why I just thought, oh my gosh, I've met him before and he's lovely he's such a lovely lovely man hugely talented

and that's the reason why I just thought oh my gosh I just don't think I'd be able to sit there and work with him or audition for him or I'd mess it up, I'd be too nervous No, you'd be fine Years ago when I was in drama school there was this bookshop in Covent Garden

and I was walking around it and then I walked around the corner and bumped into this fella and just went, oh, my God. Hi, how are you? I haven't seen you for ages. What have you been up to? And he looked at me and smiled. And then in my head, I suddenly thought, oh, my God, that's Michael Sheen. You don't know him. You just know of him because you think he's amazing. And then I went, oh, I'm so sorry.

Bye. And then just walked off. That's what I get on a daily basis, though, do you? Yes, yes. I have so many people go, oh, hello, you all right? Hello. Yes. And then they go, oh, no.

They're so mortified. Yeah, because they feel like they know you. They just feel like they know you. And it's lovely. I said, don't worry about it. Yeah. But that's the reason I couldn't audition for The Way. Well, that's crazy because you should have.

But it's worth seeing, isn't it? I think so because then we'd know. Yes. We'd be watching it. I'd be saying, Jo, that was a good part. Yeah. That could have been you. Oh, God, don't.

I think we should watch it. A bitter old actress. Well, it's not very bitter. What are you like, though, right? What are you like working with people who are friends? Because I've auditioned for a friend of ours before and I was really nervous because my husband had been working with him

and then he was directing him. He was directing then this job that I was auditioning for. And so he was half friend, but then also a figure of, you know, like status and power and the director. I remember going into the room and being really nervous. And I walked in and I went, oh, hi. And he went, hi.

And he went to hug me just as I went to shake his hand. And I ended up going like that and practically grabbing his willy. Because my hand went down like that to hold his hand. But he'd gone in for a hug. And I basically just went like that. And it got worse and worse and worse and worse. I obviously didn't get the job. Although, mind you, I could have if that's how I'd greeted him.

But yeah, but I didn't get the job. And it just went from bad to worse. And since then, I don't think I've ever auditioned for anybody who's a friend. I mean, I haven't really got any friends. Certainly not friends that are um you know high status actors well i wouldn't class him as like a friend friend no somebody acquaintance yeah yeah no not really it's not going to happen with you know yeah i don't know jesh down the park ball do you know what i mean yes yes i think that's the best way to keep it down.

But yeah, so The Way has been recommended. Okay. Yeah. Well, that sounds good and I think we should go for it because I would love to see. Do you know the part you were up for? Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Oh, I think we should have a look at that. Yeah, we should. Definitely. Yeah. So, Jo, what shows are we talking about today then? Well, we've got Mary and George, which is a raunchy new drama on Sky. Interior Design Masters with Alan Carr on the BBC, which we both love.

And a new comedy called Things You Should Have Done on BBC Three. Right, shall we get into it? Yes, let's get into Mary and George. You can catch it on Sky Atlantic or now. So, it's about Mary Villiers. It's set in Jacobean times. King James is ruling. You've got Mary Villiers who is saying that she is basically like a lady.

And she isn't. She isn't. It's all a lie and it's been written down on some sort of scroll, which she has burnt. She's basically just sort of like a serving girl who's worked her way up and through the echelons of society and she will do anything she can to get to the top of the tree and she has got um she has a daughter another son and then she has her first son yes john is it john john and then you have james then after that you've got

george george oh and the first scene where she's just given birth to george what mary wants to do is pair together george her second son who normally goes for nothing in those times absolutely you know john is her first son and george doesn't talk a lot he's a very he's described as a very soft and gentle boy but he's also john yeah but he's also just killed a dog and he's described as a very soft and gentle boy but he's also just killed a dog and he's kind of a bit odd. And so she's very worried because she doesn't think she's going to... She's just thinking, I've got this first

born son who's meant to be the most important who in her mind isn't powerful enough to make any kind of stand in society. Yeah, and then she's got George. He's got one earring in that earlobe and he's damn hot. But he is definitely the charismatic

one of the two. Yes. And I think if they would have been twins and she would have had both of them. Yeah. I think she probably

would have drowned John. Oh, yes. At birth. I think she'd have got rid of john definitely well i was thinking i don't know why she doesn't just kill him anyway i mean she could poison him get rid of him and then george becomes the firstborn but anyway what she's trying to do is pair together george with king james now king james is married to the Queen, but he does have his young male lovers. Absolutely. And at the moment his favourite is the Earl of

Somerset. Who is also married. Is the Earl of Somerset married? He's married, isn't he? I can't remember. He's got that lady. She's pregnant. She's up the Duffin too. The woman! She's sitting next to him all the time. I didn't realise she was his wife. I thought she was just his friend. There is a lot of marriages where all of the women just turn a blind eye to this homosexual stuff going on.

So the Queen is turning a blind eye to King James. And so Mary Villiers realises that her best bet for herself and her family and her standing and also for George is to try and pair together George with King James. But you've got the Earl of Somerset in the way and also status and society and it. I have to say, I am loving it. I'd seen trailers and adverts for it. And I just thought, I just don't fancy this. This is flipping boring. It's just another costume drama. I cannot be bothered. And then I saw a trailer where the men were quite scantily clad

and the Earl of Somerset was pushing George around and he threw him down on the table because he could tell that George was making a play for the king. He didn't like it. And I just thought, oh my God, this looks a bit more interesting. I don't really want to sit there and watch all of the stuff where all of the ladies are being all really lovely and it's all very oh I'm in a costume drama now and I thought I can't be bothered with that and this has just come on and oh my god it has been such a long time since I've seen something

so base you can almost sort of smell the world that you're in. It's just, it's face, it's gritty, it's hard. And I feel like I'm watching an episode of Shameless, but set in Jacobean Town. I was going to say the language that's used. And yeah, the way it's written is absolutely like modern day. They're really, really bringing it into the modern day. And it's funny as well. It is funny.

And like you say, it's also just so truthful. Yes. It's so filled with the truth. Now, whether you like the truth, whether you don't, the stuff that goes on in life is laid bare. Yes. And I really, I found it a bit shocking, if I'm honest, which sounds stupid,

but I'm not one to watch loads of stuff with loads of sex in it. I just don't do that. It's not my thing to do. I'm a little bit of a prude. I even stopped watching Peaky Blinders years ago. Oh, now I've not been able to. I've never watched any of it. I absolutely loved it, but it got to a certain series and it was just full of sex and full of violence.

And I went, oh, I don't want to watch this anymore. I just get a little bit. Oh, no, it's a bit much for me. um but I have enjoyed I've watched two yes and I've and I'm on to three um I think Julianne Moore is absolutely fantastic don't you she's incredible I feel quite frightened watching it because I feel like I'm in that world. It is frightening because you don't know what people are going to do because the stakes must have been so high back in those times. They'll do anything, won't they? They will do anything.

And she is incredible. I just love how, oh my God, and as a mother to boys, not saying that I would ever be like Mary Villiers, but you know her, she would do anything. Her motherly instinct, not in sort of even like protecting them or, but her motherly instinct. The emotions and the feelings and the wants are so, so strong. And I think she does it with such, also with such grace in a way.

And the stillness that I see in her makes it even more scary. It does. And I think the less she does the better it is yeah you know she's completely and utterly ruthless she will do anything anything at all and then oh my gosh then they go to France I almost didn't want them to come back from France because George goes to France to become like a gentleman and um and I quite liked it when the French man who was teaching him said to him, own your body. And I thought, oh, I quite like that. I think I'm going to start owning my body

and my space and everything. So then he goes to France and it's all orgies everywhere, sex everywhere. But then he does become just like this gentleman and then he comes back because she wants him then to woo the king. Well, I quite liked...

The only thing I'd say about it is I thought that happened, it's good because it carried it along quickly, but I did think it all happened quite quickly. I could have been in France for a bit longer. I could have been in France for a while watching the orgies, not watching all, sounding like a pervert, but there were just so many gorgeous, hot male actors. I was like, do we have to come back from France? Can't we just stay there

for a bit longer I mean you talk about like Mr Darcy's you know white shirt Mr Darcy's shirt I think is long gone

because on this we've got King James I am loving Mark Darcy I was going to say then look I'm bridging over into Bridget Jones

Mr Darcy's shirt sold at auction how much did it go for? £25,000 for a shirt. Oh, God. I don't think I would have spent £25,000 on that. No. Good God. It's ridiculous.

£25,000. Well, wait till you see King James's. I'm loving King James's ginger bob. And then you get like a Mr Darcy white billowing shirt. But then nothing else. Nothing else. I've seen so many bums. I was watching the second episode in the car.

So somebody was driving and I was in the back of the car and I was watching the second episode. And then any listeners, if you're watching, I got to the end of the second episode. I have my headphones in. I had to turn the sound down because I thought, oh my God. And then I had to sort of angle my phone away

from the window because I didn't want it reflected and for the driver to think I was a pervert even though I kind of was a pervert because I was sitting there really enjoying it

because George and King James have just got together yep yep three's really the beginning of three's great is it

yeah I'm I'm I'm enjoying it more as I go along. Yeah. I just need to stop being a prude. Oh God, leave the prudishness behind. Just embrace those billowing shirts and nothing else because I am.

Tony Curran, who plays King James. I mean, I didn't realise it was all a true story. And although in those times it must have been absolutely terrifying because you do the wrong thing and you just get like killed straight away. But I was reading about King James and he's supposed to have been quite a peaceful king because under Queen Elizabeth, it was like wars, loads and loads of wars. And then under King James, there wasn't any war at all. Well, he kind of just wanted to do what he wanted to do. Yeah, I think they called him the horny goat fucker. And they said he was...

Well, he loved his hunting. Yeah. Didn't he? He loved being out on his horse. And I think he just liked having lots of sex. Yeah. Maybe that's the way we should all go. Have lots of sex and go horse riding.

Horse riding, just a bit of nature. Wear a billowing shirt and have a lovely earring in your ear. Do you know, I've got a thing for my James with just tracksuit bottoms. He's got a lovely pair of tracksuit bottoms, which I like him to wear. From now on, I might just say, never mind the tracksuit bottoms, just wear a billowing shirt and a nice earring.

Yeah, I might do that. You should pop up Zara. Get him one. Nice, lacy one. You never know. I might have been the one who won Mr Darcy's shirt in auction. Good luck to you. But I have to say, I'm loving this.

Loving it. I love how gritty it is. I love how real it is. It's making me laugh. Julianne Moore's performance, her accent, she's British in it. I can't, genuinely. I'm really listening in. There's not one, it's perfect her accent. It is perfect.

I think everybody has been cast so well. Their stakes are so high. I'm frightened when I'm watching it because I'm like, oh my God, is the Earl of Somerset going to kill him? Or is King James going to go, right, I don't want you anymore. I mean, imagine living in those times. You basically had, you either were born into money or you basically had what you were given. Yeah, nothing. You know, you've just got to

work your way up using your wiles. What do you think you would have been like? I don't know. I'd probably be in the kitchen. I would have been in the kitchen as well.

I would have been in the kitchen working really hard, probably looking after everybody. Yeah. I probably would have been cleaning. They wouldn't have wanted me for any cooking.

I probably wouldn't have got into any sort of bother or trouble and I would have helped people. I would have been cleaning. They wouldn't have wanted me for any cooking. I probably wouldn't have got into any sort of bother or trouble and I would have helped people. I would have been a listening ear. Would you? But mind you, we could have been actresses in those days because they did have actresses and we could have been actresses and then we could have used our womanly wiles,

not on King James, but on other people. You say that. In those days, actresses really were whores. Yeah, they were. They were, weren't they? I've actually got a book at home called Actresses and Whores. Really? From that title.

I'll bring it in for you. Oh, my God. That would be interesting. Yeah. So I would, though, highly recommend it. I'd say it's so flipping well written. I'd say if you don't like watching bums and you're a bit of a prude or whatever, maybe watch it on your own.

I'd watch it on my, yeah. But apart from that, it's a brilliant brilliant drama the acting is fantastic all the costumes are great or when they're off well yeah there's not that many the women's costumes are good women costumes are nice

let us know what you think of Mary and George guys send us a voice note Interior Design Masters with Alan Carr is basically a show with 10 up-and-coming interior designers, amateur ones, with a chance of winning a contract at the end of it and they go through the process, a bit like a bake-off, that kind of thing, and each week someone gets knocked out and there's a big final and each week there's a different project and they design something fab

and at the end, whoever's left wins a fantastic contract and would change their life. We've got Alan Carr now to calm us down a bit. Oh, Alan. He comes out in his lovely suit. Yeah. He does a little bit of a wobble when he talks. He does a little bit of a wobble.

He does do that when he's talking. He does, he does a little wobble. But I love Alan Carr. Oh, I love him too. I absolutely love him to pieces. This show is Interior Design Masters with Alan Carr on BBC One. Or catch up on iPlayer. Yes, yeah.

And it's the new series, isn't it? It's about five series in. Yeah, five series in. I've only watched a couple of series, but it is something that we enjoy and we like to watch. Usually we've made daughter, this one. Mark doesn't mind if it's on, but I really like it. And this series, well, they've started off and there's a really nice bunch, a really good bunch of people there.

Yeah. And they started off, didn't they, in a nun's convent? Yes, they did. They've each got, I just thought, oh my gosh, this is like when I started drama school. You've got your little halls of residence.

It's a tiny, tiny little room, really small, just a sink and sort of like a single bed. And they've each got to decorate their room as in their own personal style. Their own personal style,

which is nice because now they're going to go through the weeks and you kind of have a, you know, they'll say, oh, this is a winter theme and you've got to use blue and, you know, they'll say, oh, this is a winter theme and you've got to use blue.

And, you know, they're all doing the same sort of thing. Whereas this week, they had a chance to show off their style. It's quite amazing, sort of like, that some people did so much and got so much in and then other ones just really struggled. Also, I always find it amazing that it's, you know, we've got the same room and

at the end of it how different they all are i know that might sound really stupid no it's incredible i thought that because some of them there was that particular flowery one yeah and it was just flowery wallpaper and then so much like layered on and then other people had like built bits out and were really detailed and then there was the train carriage. And then you've got another room where they've just, like, struggled to have time to paint. And she painted a curtain. Yeah, she painted a curtain. And then another one was, like, moaning because she'd spent so much time painting

and she hadn't had time to do all of, like, the white circles on the wall. And I thought, oh, come on. Come on, hurry up. Yeah. And other ones, I thought, God, you know, they've had a bit of a shock because they're kind of a bit like, oh, God, you know, there's not enough time. Or you sort of, if I was going on there, I'd be like, right, come on, you've got the date, let's get to it.

But also, you know how much time you've got. There's been five series of it, love. You know you haven't got a week to do the room up. I thought it was very interesting in the first episode that the contestants, the people, you know, who were on it, the ones who were so sort of all dressed up themselves, who'd really made an effort with their appearance and their image and whatever,

were the ones that were on the sofa. Can I just interrupt you, just for a sec? I'm all for wearing what you want. No, I am. I think you should go out and wear what you want. But Francesca was dressed as a clown. I know. And I... Oh, God, I know.

I mean, if you want to dress as a clown, that's absolutely fine. Is it, though? I can't imagine you... I don't want to be rude to Francesca because she can do what she likes. But if I was going on a television series and it was the first one I was going to make an impression to Alan Carr I don't know if I would have chosen that clown outfit I thought that the material looked like a synthetic silk sort of thing and

I thought god I bet that's sweaty it was just too much wasn't it too much she was a bit much she was very excited, though. Yeah. Which I'd be excited if I was talking to Alan Carr and he was coming in and going, Oh, Jo, what are you doing? I love it when he pops in. It's like, how are you doing?

I've got some ice creams. It's baking up here. It's so good. Isn't it funny? Because it's just like a normal makeover show. Yes. Which we've seen millions of. But it's just propelled

to a higher level because of him. And also you know that at the end of it, I do like these shows because at the end of it they are going to win a contract. A big contract with a huge designer and they actually get a job out of it. So they do really care and I like that. I like it when

there's a job at the end or something at the end of these things not just like oh you've won. Here's a job at the end or something at the end of these things, not just like, oh, you've won. Yeah. Here's a T-shirt and a mug. It's, you know, it's crucial. It means something to them. And also, it's hosted by Alan Carr, but he's also joined by another judge called Michelle Agundahen.

And she's just absolutely fab. I'm quite scared of her. I value what she says. And you know, the first episode was Abigail Ahern, who was the guest judge. I love it when the guest judges come on, because normally they're in like really cool clothes. Yeah, they are, yeah.

Yeah, I love it. And I love seeing what they're wearing. And then it makes me go, oh God, I want to sort of wear a really big flowery blouse with a big royal blue skirt and stuff. And then I never do, but it makes me just go, oh my God, I'd love to look like that. I'll tell you what it didn't make me do. I want to put a clown outfit on oh my god anyway

there we go interior design masters with lovely Ellen Carr I love it it's brilliant absolutely brilliant sort of thing as well that say I was doing something and I wanted something on in the background or just something to comfort tv as well I'd go back and I'd watch other episodes of it from ones I'd seen before. Oh yes, absolutely, definitely maybe you should do that when you're wrapping your Christmas presents issue instead of watching the murders Yes Possibly. Yeah. So

listeners, what do you think? Send us a message or a voice note on WhatsApp So this show that we're about to talk about is a brand new comedy written by Lucia Keskin, who has been on Instagram and been very popular on there. And she's written and created this series, Things You Should Have Done. And one of our lovely listeners has sent us a message about it because she really recommends it.

From Emma, Ladies, love listening to you both chat about telly today. One for you to watch, Things You Should Have Done. I watched it with my daughters, 15 and 18, and we both loved it. It was this country vibes. And both my daughters have been following Lucia Keskin for ages. She is very funny. I've been following her for a long, long time.

Have you? I'd never heard of her. Cheap of a C. Things You Should Have Done. Things You Should Have Done. Do you know what things you should have done. Things you should have done. Do you know what things I should have done? Not bother to fucking watch it. I feel awful because I want to say good on her for getting her own damn show because that's flipping hard.

She's obviously highly talented and a comedian. Well, you don't think so? I think she's obviously talented. I thought the show was shit. And I don't often think that, right? And I want to say well done think that, right? Yeah. And I want to say, well done on you, right? Because you've got your own show.

And I haven't got my own show. I've not written anything, but you know. So, flippin' heck, that's amazing. But I thought it was unbearable. It's not often, right, that I can't watch something. Yeah. I was so bored. I was so bored.

This is very interesting because i wasn't bored yeah but i don't know if that's because i've followed her on instagram for quite a few years and i also every now and again message her so i feel like she is an acquaintance although we've never met so i really was looking forward to watching it and going, oh, brilliant, you know, this is going to be great. And she's got her own show, like you said. And I do have to say, I liked some of the other characters around and I understood the concept of it and what was going on. I just don't think it was pulled off.

I felt that it was obviously very low budget for a start. No excuse? No, I didn't say it was. Don't have have a go at me i'm just saying i think it was very low budget um and i think she has a very very kooky brain i think she's trying to do something that's quite a bit mighty boosh you know you've got these little characters in cupboards and she'll open it up or there'll be which i love i love you know like a stretchy man who's you know one of those stretchy things then you chuck it on the scene and it sticks yeah and she's talking to her and it's her face talking to i think she's got that little bit

of no fielding kind of madness about her and i think like i said d Diane Morgan, when she does Mandy and Kunk and all of that, I think she's got something. I just think this is the beginning of it. Oh, that's really, no, that's a lovely thing to say. Because I think that is brilliant. And it probably is the beginning of it, isn't it? I think so. I just thought that it was. My mother could have written it.

My mother could have done it. I just thought, oh my God, this is just unbearable. I'm so bored. I'm just genuinely like, I am bored. I'm bored. Yeah, I think you're either going to love it or you hate it. It is quite marmite-y. I think it's going to be that sort of humour.

Yeah. But I'm going to stick with it and watch a few more. Are you going to watch more of it? Yeah, I am. I'm going to watch a couple more. Tell us what you think of it. Is it that we're more of it? Yeah, I am. I'm going to watch a couple more. Tell us what you think of it. Is it that we're just too old?

It's not that we're too old. I just thought it was boring. Yeah, no, I don't think we're too old. We're not too old at all. No, we're watching Jackabee and Rump. I'm partial to a single earring in a man. I'm not too old. We're not too old.

Listen, this is why we're doing this bloody pod. You can like things and you don't have to like things. Exactly. You can love things. You can hate things. Yeah. That's what we're here for. I think we've covered everything, Jo.

I think we have. What are we doing next week? So next week's Easter. Easter. Next week's Easter. And we are going to be looking at a real mellow chilled out week for you

we've got a real oh it's a bit of an oldies week it is it's all lovely we've got the Vicar of Dibley Easter special

next week oh so nice we've got the Antiques Roadshow can't get more just lovely and cutchy than that lovely

and then we're doing little bit of Marpa lovely can're doing little bit of Marpa lovely can't beat a bit of Marpa so that's next week so have we come to the end of it then I think we have

I think we have I'm really really looking forward to the Easter special next week which will be lovely and I'm looking forward to catching up

on lots of telly over the Easter holiday oh me too it'll be nice kids will have finished school we can sit down eat chocolate watch of telly over the Easter holiday. Oh, me too. It'd be nice, wouldn't it? Kids will have finished school. We can sit down, eat chocolate, watch the telly,

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