Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Ashley Cooke | Breakthrough Country Artist on Love, Loss & Her Music Journey!

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

#898. Ashley Cooke has lived a life of highs, heartbreak, and everything in between — from moving 19 times before 18, writing songs at 11, to hitting #1 on country radio. On today’s episode of Off the Vine, she sits down with Kaitlyn to open up about her new project ACE, her duet with Brett Young, navigating family health struggles and her own rare heart condition — all while performing on some of the biggest stages in music. She also gives a sweet glimpse into her new romance and how love fits into her life on the road.Honest, funny, and raw, this episode is a front-row seat to Ashley’s journey like you’ve never heard before.If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Booking.com: Head over to booking.com and start your listing today! Get Seen. Get Booked on Booking.com!Baked by Melissa: Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/VINE.Bombas: Head over to Bombas.com/vine and use code vine for 20% off your first purchase.Macy’s: And if you’re in gifting mode, Macy’s Friends and Family event is going on now through December 11th—30% off the best brands and 15% off beauty and fragrances only at macys.com.Dime Beauty: Visit DimeBeauty.com and enjoy 30% off your first order with code CYBERMONTH—just don’t wait, this offer ends December 16th!Pura: Right now, Cyber Monday just got smarter with Pura. Get 30% off curated sets and upgrade your home with app-controlled fragrance pura.com. EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (3:05) Ashley spills on moving to LA at 10, forming a country duo with her sister at 12, and juggling homeschool life like a pro.(7:34) She opens up about the wild mix of gratitude, disbelief, and “wait…is this real?” moments when Your Place hit #1.(12:28) Family health scares, her own rare heart diagnosis, and heartbreak — Ashley shares how she stayed strong through it all.(17:25) Performing on The Bachelorette with Brett Young.(27:56) Her new Project ACE Revealed and how these songs are like a musical diary of her life.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Hey, Vinoes, real quick, if you are listening right now, which obviously you are, you wouldn't be hearing this, can you hit the subscribe or follow button on whatever platform you're on? Please, that one simple thing helps more than you even realize it allows me to keep growing on this podcast and making these episodes the best they can possibly be obviously for you. That's the only favorite I'm going to ever ask, okay? It truly means the world to me.

Thank you. Now let's get into it. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And today I had a lovely conversation with Ashley Cook. I feel like we're new friends. You can kind of get that vibe while we talk in this interview.

And I feel like you sit at home and you feel like you're one of our friends. And that's what I love about this podcast. So we pull back a bunch of layers of Ashley's life. She has lived, I think, I don't know, 19 different lives. She moved through 19 homes before the age of 19, which is crazy. Obviously, that's going to shape who a person is. She's been through a lot of heartbreak and loss. and I just asked all the questions that you would want to know from her.

So enjoy this conversation with Ashley Cook. Okay, your story is crazy. I'm just like when I was researching you, which I like to call stalking, because I have to do some heavy-duty stalking. But I was like, you moved through 19 homes before you were 18. I'm sure this is always a topic of conversation. But you have really built something real and raw from it. And I feel like that probably, as all of our lives do shape who we are from how we were raised and where we grew up and all of that. But you've just, I mean, you started writing music and poetry at 11, which is adorable.

And then viral hits and major label deals. And you're about to release this deeply personal project called Ace, which I'm very excited to talk about. So I want to peel back the curtain of all of this. Let's do it. And kind of dive into how you've walked life. Because it sounds like something I could not do. You could.

You're strong. No, I have very terrible coping skills. Oh, really? Yeah. I think I've kind of had to go through therapy and, like, develop them because of, moving around so much, but people always ask if it's military. No, my dad wasn't in the military. My mom wasn't in the military. Yeah, it sounds like it would be. I know. You would think so. Probably more than what the military has to move through. Maybe, honestly, which is funny because

I've always bonded with people that have had parents that have served or whatever because of the same kind of lifestyle. But no, I got into music really young. It started off moving around because of my dad's job. He was a corporate guy working at GE for a while. So he moved around a lot for that. Interesting, yeah. Yeah. And then I was just a normal kid. Like I was born in Wisconsin. played sports, traveled. I mean, just very kind of normal kid. And then my sister got into acting really young. Pageants, then acting, took us out to L.A.

My dad's job moved again. Me and my sister got in a duo together, moved out to... What kind of duo? Like a country duo. Like a sister duo. Yeah. Most of it's like not online because I'm like, oh, God. Crazy. Yeah, but it was wild.

How old were you? I moved to L.A. when I was 10, I want to say. And my sister and I started our duo at like 12 and 13, roughly. Wow. So really young. and I was like homeschooled on and off because of it. You have to be, yeah. Toward. Yeah, the whole nine yards, really young.

How do you start doing a duo and like getting gigs at 13? Did you have a manager? It was weird. I think we did. I don't know about that young, but honestly, my sister got into acting, moved to L.A. She was into it. I was just like the little sister that was like kind of tagging along for, you know, auditions and whatever. Were you like, who I want to do this?

Or were you like, I'm going to hype her up? I was going to hyper up because I had no idea I could even sing or act or anything like that. So I just did like a random. performance class in like a strip mall one time just for the fun of it. And I found out that I had a pretty decent voice and started performing and had like a natural knack for it. So she was more into acting. I was more into music, but we were so young. So everybody was kind of like, hey, you should just be a duo because you're both, we're a year apart. So we're very similar in age. Let's just try a duo. So we did. From going through that at such a young age to now,

how have you built the team around you? Like, do you go with gut instincts? Like, do you go with how have you done it? For sure. I mean, good instincts. Because they're all here. So don't. They all mostly are here, and I love them so much. Yeah, I mean, I think it's got instinct, but also Rekiah Marshall, who's sitting behind me right now, she was like my first champion, like, as an adult out of college, ready to pursue this. And she found me on social media and emailed me about a publishing deal, totally nothing to do with, like, artists-wise world. But, of course, she was interested in that, but just wanted to know as a writer what I was all about. And we got dinner and hung out, met her and her husband, and just became great friends before entering into,

something together and then she started her business kind of with me as the flagship artist so yeah I think it's just a it's a gut feeling and it's just trusting that kind of god's putting the right people in the right places of the right time yeah my mom and I always had this prayer growing up where it was like god whatever door you want to open open it and if it's not meant to happen hold it tight even if we're knocking on it yeah don't let it open and I feel like it's a great perspective yeah I feel like having that whatever you believe in whether it's god or just yeah universe right timing manifestation whatever it is I think It's like if you... I believe in all of that.

Yeah. I think if you keep manifesting and praying, whatever it is that you believe in, that the right things will come to you. They will. I truly believe that. I do too. I was just at dinner with Carly Pierce like three nights ago.

I love Carly so much. And we were talking about that. We were talking about prayer and what that looks like to both of us. And we were talking about... Actually, my girlfriend, my best friend Kat was there too. And we're all at different phases in our faith and belief

and what we believe and how we do it. And it was such a deep conversation that meant so much to me. But Carly was like, there's so many things in my life. I was like, why? And why is this happening? And she goes, but the older I get, you know, the benefit of hindsight. And the more you realize that that's what's meant for you.

And God walked before us. And he has a plan. And she's like, and she always says when she prays, and this is somebody else that I know that does this. It's if this is your will for us. Right. Like you want to pray for selfish things, of course, and be like, I want this to happen. Yeah, I want this award.

I want this. And that it's like, yeah, if it is your will for us. 100%. Yeah. And I think that's the thing to, as you get further in whatever industry you're in, if you keep that mentality of when you first start out, you want everything. You want like, I want to go sell out stadiums and do all these things. And of course, that's still goals that you want to hit. But I think it's important to also know, to your point, what is, what's the plan? Like, what's the greater plan? What would God want? I don't want to step in and just be like, this is everything I want to do. And it's not what he wants because his plan is always the best, you know? Well, always, yes. And it will always, you'll always get yourself on the right path if you're, if you're doing what you love, especially. But that's, I was at a Dermott Kennedy concert at the Ryman, like a week ago with my dad. And he was talking about that. He's like, you know, I have to like humble myself sometimes because he writes this song. It's called Let Me In. And it's about like how he knows that there's a room where he's happy, but he can't find his way to the door. But it's because he just keeps trying searching for like the happy.

where he's like, wait, I'm doing what I would have always dreamt of. I'm here. And now I'm still thinking of what's next and I'm not being happy in this moment. And I'm like, that's so relatable. I feel like a lot of, a lot of people, like no matter what job you're in, what phase you're in, what industry you're in, I feel like we all have this working goal of how to get somewhere and then you get there and then you go, okay, what's next? And you're never satisfied with where you're at. Yeah. And that's, I mean, I remember when my, when my song, your place went number one, I had a moment. I was like, I, I, I, I am so grateful and so thankful and all of the things, but at the same time, to your point,

it kind of felt like this doesn't feel how I thought it would feel. Like all the sacrifice, everything that I put into this, it doesn't feel like it's this like, like mountaintop, we're done, okay. It feels like adrenaline rush and a crash and then thinking what you have to do more. And then it's like, how do I follow up? What do I? Everybody's going to be wanting something. Like it's like you start to think about that.

And I think that's really important to find some type of way to be in the room for at least a minute like walk in the room sit in the room enjoy it look at the wallpaper and then go to the next door yeah you know because i think that we're just consistently chasing the next thing which is also just the nature of entertainment you know so many people do it and so many people have that grit in them too like it's not a bad thing it's there's good and bad to it but i'm yeah it was i always think about that when i remember hannah brown telling me when she won the mirror ball she thought like that's she worked so hard for that she'd just come off bachelor at where she was in like a very tough place and then went right into another show and she worked her ass off

and she won and she thought she'd be like okay i did it we're done i can relax and she was like i felt so empty and i was like then that happened to me i was like oh i won't feel that way if i win the mirror ball i'm quitting i'm hanging up i'm having a baby and i'm yeah somebody told you yeah somebody told you what it they felt like so you were trying to actively not feel that way right isn't that funny though yeah i really do wonder if the people that we've looked up to our whole lives and seen i mean for me it was like kerry underwood with like american idol and kelly Clark's in, like, in those moments that I spent so much in my childhood, idolizing and wanting to be like them, it makes you wonder if they also felt that way in those moments.

For sure. And they're like the top of the top and they still probably feel that way. Right. And then it just kind of makes you not to get like depressing with it, but it's like, so what will make you feel that way? What will make you feel fulfilled? You know, and that's a whole not dogs. Dogs. Dogs, pinot noir, melodies. That's, those are the three. No, I'm just kidding. And a good candle. And a good candle. A big ass candle. Yeah. scandal. No, but it's so funny how the older I get, the more I realize what does fulfill me is the little things. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 100%. That's the thing is like, it's so weird. And honestly, I don't know if you felt this way too, but talking to my therapist about this,

her name's Francis, she's the best. Whatever we talk about this, she's like, hey, I think, so you don't get like depressed about hitting goals because that's, you don't want that either. You don't want to go throughout your life and feel like the biggest things. Everybody's like congratulations you don't feel much from you don't want that to be the case she was like I wonder if instead of it's like these bucket list hit the goals mountain top thing rearrange your thought process to where you make goals and you hit the goals and you celebrate for a minute and then you go to the next goal and life is just hitting the next goals and that's okay it doesn't need to be this like I can die happy now moment yeah it doesn't have to be like I have to do this I have to accomplish

this can be like oh this is what I'm I would be excited to do this yeah like maybe make the the the goal is a little more short term. Like, in the next six months, I would love to sell out the rhyman. Right. You know, like, and if you do that, you're like, let's go. That's so amazing. Celebrate for a week. Hang out with your team.

Yeah. Feel the moment. Yeah. And then, okay, what's next? What do we want to do next? And it's not as much of like an anxiety-stricken thing. I saw somebody on Instagram. I can't remember who it is now.

She popped a bottle of champagne for a big failure. Oh, I love that. Yeah. And she said, this is going to reroute and teach and it's going to be a life lesson. I'm going to celebrate it. I love that. like something that like she worked really hard for and it didn't pan out. We should start doing that.

I know. I thought it was really. I'm looking at my team like let's do it. Because I feel like anything that like I'm all about things being energy and I feel like when you celebrate that it's like the right thing is going to come to you from it. We already know that if you quote unquote fail or something misses you, we already know that it's only leading you into something else that was meant for you. So why are we not celebrating the things that don't work out? Yeah, it reminds me, I forget which award show it was, but I'll never forget, Blake Shelton, he was accepting an award. I want to say it was like entertainer of the year or maybe just his first big award at like CMAs or ACMs or something.

But his speech, he got up from his seat and he was walking to the stage and he took each step, like, dramatically slow. And when he got to the mic, he was like, if you only knew the highs and the lows that it took to get here, I want to savor this moment because every single step matters. Cool. And if you don't have the bad shit, you don't know what that. feels like. You don't know what that feels like to walk those steps slowly to get to that mic. You're just like, oh my gosh, yay, we'll go back to the backstage and next thing. Right. So I think to your point, the failures make those moments 10 times bigger because you know what it feels like to not have those moments. Exactly. So I've celebrated him. Pop the Champagne.

Yeah, pot the champagne when you fail, guys. It's funny because I was praying a lot the last couple years because a lot of really hard stuff happened the last couple years on top of all the wonderful things that went down and things that I accomplished. But I was praying about it and I was like, God, make it make sense. I don't understand why this all had to happen. Like, I've worked my whole life to get a number one song, to win a big award, to do all these things. And why, right when all these exciting things happen, does my dad get cancer for the fifth time? My mom have a heart attack. I have a heart condition. My sister goes through thyroid stuff. My boyfriend and I have two years break up. Like all of this. It's not even like they say bad things happen in three. You're like, why is it

10? It was literally like five major events in one thing. So when I was praying about it, a couple, like top of this year, I was like, God, make it make sense. Like I just don't understand why all this is happening. And then I wrote the music that I've never been more proud of in my life. It's real, it's raw, it's organic. And I look back and I go, man, if I didn't have all of that stuff happen, I don't know what I would have written about for my next project. I really don't because I wasn't, I was excited,

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You have big shows, a duet with Brett Young. Yeah. I feel like the machine of the industry kind of turned on. So tell me about that moment. Like, how did Brett find you? I think I had done never till now, that song. I had written that song with my friend Matt Roy, and we had put a version out, I think, that was without Brett Young on it.

But then Jimmy Robbins, who produced my whole first record, most of my first music of any kind. Jimmy was a big part of that. And he was good friends with Brett Young. And so I think we were talking about maybe doing a duet of some kind. It's a love song. If you've heard the song, it's like a wedding song. Yeah. And I was like, who's a good artist that is great with love songs and wants to believe in a new artist?

And Jimmy reached out to Brett. And Brett was like, I love this song. I was like, he knows my song. I had no idea. He even knew I existed. Yeah. Did the song together. It was on The Bachelorette, I think.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait, what season was that? Rachel and Brian? It was like the two. Oh, the Rachel and Gabby? Rachel and Gabby. Was that recent?

Yeah. Yeah. Did you perform? That feels like forever ago, but yeah. Yeah. This is all just clicking to me right now. Yeah. Because I watched that.

Oh my gosh. Crazy. Yeah. It was me and Brett. Oh my gosh. Wait, did you see that episode though? Yeah. Okay.

When it was supposed to be a date and then she sent the guy home. Yeah. And then we just did. We performed to her just like crying by herself. Yes. Me, I was looking at Brett before that and I was like so. what now? And he was like, we get up there. We sing the song. We go home. I was like, all right. Here we go. So he was a good person to do that with too because he had been on the show

before. Yes. So he was like the same old song and dance. We got this down. I was a little less nervous because he knew what he was doing. I love that they always have country music artists and like up and coming. I think that's so cool. I think it is too. It gives us like a platform that we wouldn't have otherwise. Yeah. Who have you learned from in the music industry that you're like thank you. I mean, I've been on tour with a lot of incredible artists. Like Luke Brian was one that I was bucket list wanting to go on tour with. I mean, he's been not only a big inspiration in like the music space, but also like with American Idol and like he's done a lot of other stuff. That's really cool. Like his crash my playa like down in Mexico. There's like cool. He's just like branched into

different worlds that I think is really interesting to look at. He is. He's like a music entrepreneur business man. Which I think is so cool. Like I love that. Yeah. I will say somebody recently that I've really been bonding with and loving is Kelsey Ballerini. I just love her. I think she's, you know, it's so crazy because a couple days ago, she texted me asking for me to send her my EP, ACE that's coming out. And she live tweeted for me, like, just to me on our text, or she went through every single song and was texting me about the line that she was obsessed with and what she, like, I have goosebumps I'm crying here. I'm so excited. Like, it was just really cool because she, you know, she doesn't have to do that. She's Kelsey Bellarini. She's killing it and she's such a superstar.

But that is also Kelsey Balleroy. Correct. Yeah. We've been friends for a minute now, but like that was just a different. different respect that I got for her and I always have loved and respected her but I was like man for you to go out of your way to take time to listen to my whole project like top to bottom and text me about it and care about it it was just really cool that makes me so happy when I hear stories like that because I I've known her for quite some time now too and I have always got that vibe from her but it's in in a world of like you know the women supporting women thing it's such a fraud sometimes such a fraud sometimes such a fraud sometimes yeah and when

they actually are like that and they know that somebody believed in them and that's how they got to where they are and they want to believe in you and they like know that there's room for everybody. I feel like that's why she's become so successful. I feel like she deserves it because of how she's, that's who she is. 100%. I couldn't agree more. I love that. And I don't think that, you know, girls are out for the bad when they're saying, like, I don't think that, you know, that the fraud thing is intentional necessarily. I think it's just sometimes people are like, yeah, I love this person and then they don't. Right.

I mean, I think there's different levels of it. There are people like that are pretty terrible. Then there are people who say they're going to do something you don't. And then there's people who, why am I going that way? It should be this way. But like then there are people who actually. Actions speak louder. Yes.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like Kelsey Carly too. Like they've all, they've both been such wonderful friends to me aside from everything else. And I think that that not even just on a carpet being like, oh my gosh, have you heard this person. She looks beautiful tonight. Like they genuinely make an effort. and to kind of like help the next in line and that that speaks louder than anything else yeah that's just the coolest thing I agree I agree and you see you see through the phonies and I feel like you really feel it in here when people are genuine

you do you really do and I think that's on me to then pass that along too it's like totally and that's I think the hard thing for a lot of females in the generation kind of like above me they grew up with women cutting each other down totally that's all they knew I mean the the tomatoes comment about radio and how females don't belong on the radio that was all like in their time era and so obviously they're going to grow up when when they're being taught that when they're coming in the industry and other women are hating on them like they're going to think the same things and so it's it's really cool and it makes me respect people like carly and Kelsey 10 times more because that was their example and they chose not to there's still some people that are just assholes and it is what it is you know like you can't have it yeah and that's just part of it but all we can do is try to be kind back and that sounds so cheesy and cliche but

it's true like why waste your time oh I waste my time I don't know I just my time being petty as hell sometimes. For sure. But I think that's just natural. That also feels good for me. But then I feel like after I am petty or if I'm frustrated or pissed off or whatever it is, like, I get in my bed at night and I'm like, why do I just need to, they're clearly miserable with their life. Why do I need to give them any attention? Well, that just shows you do therapy. I do do. We love Francis. I be doing therapy. Me too. I do be doing it. Me too. It's so funny. I was having a conversation with my mom and my sister and I'm like saying and I'm helping them and I was like, hey guys, you can really tell. Who does therapy in the family here? Let's go. Step it up. My boyfriend, new boyfriend, he's always been like, you use therapy speak a lot.

And he's like, it's just funny because I'm like, I'm not trying to be like, I, my boundaries are crossed. I don't want to be like annoying with it. But also like when you are in therapy and you talk about all these things and you're spoken to in a way that receives your brain in a positive way, it's like you want to give them that experience back. Exactly. But he's never been to therapy.

And so he's kind of like, what are we doing? What are you doing? Get him in there. I can't force him. I think he will eventually. No, that's the thing. I mean, that's basically what you're saying is you can't force somebody, but you want to be, you know, this light that inspires somebody else to want to be that way.

I do that too. I'm like, I don't want to feel like I'm being superior when I talk therapy talk or like say these things. It's just like it actually helps me. Right. I think, well, somebody told my girlfriend Vienna told me the only people who are upset when you set a boundary are the people who benefited from them in the first place. Oh, that's cool. So it's like they are mad because they don't get to cross your boundary.

anymore and now they have to take a look at themselves yeah it's just it's funny it's funny though when you're dating somebody that's never been to therapy because like even last night we got like a little tiff about something and I was like I'm voicing this yeah he was like you're using therapy speaking I was like no I'm not like I'm using what I've learned in therapy which is just how I feel yeah but then it's just you know it's it's funny I think he's learning little by little but that's how long have you been with him um a couple months like a couple months like we've been friends for like five years wow so we've been friends for a long time but we started dating a couple months ago. Is this like out in the open or are you keeping it private? It's, I mean, I've, I've kind of

shared that I'm seeing someone, but I haven't like shared who. I think if people are care at all, they can find out. Oh, okay. Is he in the music industry? He is, yeah. Oh. Yeah, he's, he's the bomb. That's fun. We do very similar things. Oh, that's awesome. It's very fun to get to, I don't know, like work alongside him and yeah, bond over it. And I've dated guys in and out of the industry. And I don't know, but also we've been friends for five years. And I feel like he, he's just kind of seen the ins and the outs of my life and the guys that I've been with and I've seen the girls that he's been with and we've just kind of like been friends throughout the whole thing and we always kind of were like you're cute yeah but it just you know respectfully never went

anywhere but then this year we were like you're still cute single we might as well just give us a shot we're really happy together how old are you I'm 28 oh that's such a good age too yeah how old he he just turned 30 bless yeah so frontal lobe is developed yeah we're like right about the same the same age and so it's it's very fun oh that's great oh i'm rooting for you guys thank you so much yeah i'm too he's wonderful that's awesome yeah thank you what's his name just kidding i'm like his initials art and i'm just i like i like just try and like you know when um when you try and find out why's no it was a friends episode do you watch friends oh my god i love friends okay you know when like um phoebe is so mad at ross yeah and they do like

questions back and forth and then they realize like oh she was just mad at him in a dream oh my god that's so funny i don't think i've seen that episode i need to watch it yeah the rapid-fire questions to see what actually is. I was just trying to do that. I was like, and what's his name? And what's his name? Just trying to sneak that in there. It's so funny, though, because I was on like a live stream a couple of days ago and I mentioned

that I was seeing somebody and it's crazy to me how much people care. Yeah. Oh. Like, they really care. And I think for a long time, like with my boyfriend that I dated that a lot of ACE is about and that we broke up and stuff, I didn't share anything about him ever. And honestly, a lot of it was because I was like, I want people to care about my music, not about who I'm dating.

Yeah. Now I just don't really care. Yeah. It's not really about anything now. I'm just like, whatever, here's what I'm saying, and it is what it is. But that, for a long time, I was like, why do people care so much? Like, I don't know what it is, but people really care about people's love life. Like, look at how, look at like this, when celebrities break up and you're, why are we still

shocked? Yeah. It's like, I don't believe in love anymore. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. You don't even know them. What if they hated each other? It's a lot of pressure, though. It is.

And like, in a public eye with relationships. Yeah, like my sister is newly dating a comedian named Deney. I don't know if you know, Denae. She's the best. That's your sister. That's my sister. That's Jen. Yeah. They're dating and they're so happy. I'm obsessed with them. Yeah, me too. They're so cute. Cool. I love Denise. She's been on my podcast. She's one of my favorite people.

No way. She's hilarious. She's so funny. She's so funny. I can't, I pee myself every time. She's just the best. She's amazing. She prank called my sister on a podcast and I've never laughed harder. I had to leave the room because I was laughing so hard. No, she's, her comedic timing is perfect. Impeccable. But what I'm saying is when they first started dating, it was like, Jen was like, whoa, this is a lot because she would get her comments, like everything people were hating. hating and loving. People really care about her too. Yeah.

Because, I mean, Deney's old relationship was very public too. And so, you know, it was, it's just the nature of it. And it's just, it's so weird. I'm like, why do people care so much? And I love it for them because, like, they're one of those couples who, they're like the exact same online as they are just hanging out with them. And they're real and kind and soulful and like just wonderful together and it's wonderful as people.

So to me, I'm not worried about them. But there's some couples that I'm like, oh, you're together because people care about this online, not because you just love. each other. It's funny because my last relationship, I was the one that was saying, let's not post together. I just want to keep this between me and you and have it be kind of private. But this relationship, he's the one that's like, I don't want to be, I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want that footprint forever. I don't want to be known as Ashley Cook's boyfriend online forever. I'm, I'm with Ashley and I love her and I want to be with you and I'm here, but he's like,

I just don't, I didn't sign up for that. Yeah. You did. You know? And so I, and I respect that. And so it's like trying to balance where I want to let people that listen to my music and care about me as a person and want to know these things. I want to let them in and be organic and genuine. But also if somebody that I love is asking me not to post them, I'm like, I'm not going to do that just for my benefit. You're not going to step on their boundaries. Yeah. That's his boundary. We don't cross it. We don't cross it. That's amazing. He's an avoid an attachment. No, I'm kidding. He's also a three on the enagram scale. He's a birth chart has a lot of cancer in it. He's a scorpion. Our moons don't align right now, so we're fighting. And I'm on my period.

Well, I do want to talk about your new project, Ace, which is probably, when did you write? Like, it was probably while you were going through certain things. But now it's, I always wonder how that is because I'm sure because your partners in the industry, he can understand. Yeah. But I always think about that like with Taylor Swift singing about like, and Travis Cass is like, we're in her bracelets in the crowd. And she's like saying about how obsessed you was with somebody else. And I'm like, yeah. It's so crazy.

But so when does it drop? November 14th. Number 14th. Yes. Okay. And it's a nine track body of work. five brand new songs including the there's a fan favorite already baby blues yeah it is a fan favorite i've i've done this live moment during my shows where i pick somebody from the crowd with usually with blue

eyes sometimes we get some brown eyes people and i'm like whatever you're so cute yeah but i'll serenade somebody in the crowd and it's become this social media moment where people are kind of really behind it like a lot of videos have taken off yeah people love the moment so it's already a fan favorite people are asking for it and that comes out on november 14th but all nine tracks do and it's a story from top to bottom like chronologically a lot about my ex that I talked about yeah we were together for two years and kind of about one of those relationships where nothing's necessarily wrong it just isn't feeling right and it's if you relate to that at all you'll get it it's basically just kind of the push and pull of figuring out if you're meant to be together and it's a lot of deep honesty like

the last track on it's called my worst fear and it's literally written from a place of if my worst fear were to come true which is achieving all of this and then being alone that's my worst fear and so there's a lot on the project, but really overall it's kind of about the highs and the lows and how to navigate all of those. And I went through a lot of those. So it feels like my journal on nine tracks. But I think also if you've not been through exactly what I've been through and you've just experienced the peaks in the valleys, I think you'll relate to it too. You were just saying like you kind of describe it as like it's brutally honest. What do you call it an album? You know, it's a little confusing. I get confused on all of this. Here's what happened.

So I went into the studio with, do you know, Dan Huff? He's like legendary producer. Yes. He's done Rascal Flats to Keith Urban to Michael Jackson. Like he's done so many people. We went in the studio, like top of this year time frame to start recording for my second record, my sophomore record. And we've recorded a lot of songs, like 20-something songs all together.

And I was sitting down thinking about, you know, what does all this mean? What does all this mean? What is it saying? And I realized that nine of these songs, the ones that are on Ace, told a specific. story about all the shit that I went through the last two and a half years that I mentioned earlier in the podcast with health issues and breakups and whatever. And it was a really hard time of my life. And it was like all of the great things were happening and then all the bad things were happening at the same time. And it was just a weird thing. And so I was like, man, I know

we're gearing that for second record, which is also coming soon. But I was like I really just feel like I need to put a smaller body of work out that's a story, a concept record, a very specific thing top to bottom before I enter into kind of the more broad stroke. second record sophomore you know just different vibes yeah so ace is kind of like a a bridge to sophomore record but also kind of stands on its own to tie a bow on the crazy shit that I went through the last couple years does that make sense yeah no 100% it wasn't planned it wasn't planned that way it kind of just it's kind of an album it's nine songs could be an album but really it's just a collection of stories storytelling that tells a story yeah wow yeah you I mean does your do you talk to

your ex like does he scared I saw him a couple days ago but oh god Not like intentionally. He's in the industry too. We just kind of ran into each other. But he knows. He's heard all the songs. I mean, yeah. Oh, wow.

Whatever. Okay. We're like, we're fine. Oh, we're good. Okay. I'll always love him. He'll always love me. It's just, you know.

That's nice. Yeah. It was a mature. That's what I'm saying is that you'll hear with Ace 2. It wasn't like a your place. When I wrote your place, a lot of the ex before my now ex. Wow. I've dated a lot of people.

Oh, I'm high. But he cheated on me. And so that was like a very screw you kind of breakup. And so a lot of that era of music from Shot in the Dark and whatnot was kind of like, I hate you music. I don't hate him. Strongly dislike. But this, the one that I wrote most of Ace about, he's a wonderful guy.

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He, my dad's make nicknames for everything. Yeah, my dad always called me bugs and Bugsie Malone. I love that. Yeah. That's cute. Mine was, it was Roo, like a rooster. No idea why. I've literally no idea. Or like kangaroo. It was Rue or it was Ace or obviously Ash, but that's like, everybody's going for me. So, yeah, he was always like, way to go, Ace. Like, it was just, like, his joke. And also, like, A, C, obviously Ashley Cook and then with an E on the end, it kind of feels like a nickname or like a shortened version of my name. I want to call you Ace. Anyways, go ahead. That's, I feel like people, a lot of people do, especially now that I've kind of named it my next project. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. I love that. So, um, was there a song on Ace that, like,

you were scared to release because of the subject matter? Ooh. If it's so, you know, because when you write brutally honest songs, it might be a little scary. 100% yeah I would say the obvious one is my worst fear yeah just because it's quite literally like if I was the loneliness person and achieved all this and whatever but I think the one that makes me feel the most is talk about yeah because it truly is that moment when you've hit your limit of like we've had the same conversation we have tried to fix it I feel like we are a broken record in talking about this and we both want it to work so badly yeah it's that's a cool that's a cool idea too. Does that how you, is that how your brain works? We'll like have a conversation.

All the time. My light just flickered when you said that and that's my sign for things happening for a reason. That's creepy. Yeah. Okay. That's creepy. Now we have two songs we're writing. Go on. Absolutely. But yeah, I think that one, that's the one that whenever I hear I feel the most, like just listening to it. Because I remember that song even, I started thinking about what that song was going to be and writing it when I got off a phone call with my ex and we, I was on the road somewhere in a hotel like a Hilton or something and we were on the phone and I was saying the same thing and I was like I feel like I've said this to you six times now and he's like I know but I don't know what else to do about it and this is just where we're out and so it just I was like

there's nothing left for us to talk about yeah that's it and it just I think that's the that's the most real one yeah but I think also I've just I used to care a lot more about every little thing that I said and be like very aware and scared to upset somebody if I said some thing. And now I just don't really give as much of a shit. So I think I'm not really afraid. Because you're closer to 30. I think so. Yeah. Well, and therapy. Yeah. And therapy. And just everything that you've done. Also, you're a writer. I feel like writing is such a powerful form of therapy in itself. It is. Even if people don't write music, just writing. So to be constantly writing about your life, you're feeling what you're going through. Yeah. It must be like so crazy to get that out on

paper and then sing it. It's like releasing trauma from your body. It is. It's funny you say writing to because I journal a lot. And for Ace, I wanted to do something different. So we put this, like, booklet together of all my, like, legitimate journal entries. Whoa. Like, it's a book of my journal, literally. And we're going to give it to some people for the album release.

Cool. So it's very, it's going to be, like, a chill thing. Oh, that's so personal. It's kind of terrifying. We did a content shoot a couple days ago where they printed off the journal entries and put them on the wall and I stay in front of them. And I was like, I feel so naked right now.

Yeah. Because there's just, like, a bunch of journal entries on a wall of it being like, I feel so far away from myself and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, this is crazy. But like life's short, be honest, you know. I could not agree more. I want to journal more because not, I mean, just for the sole purpose that it is helpful.

But I want to look back on 10 years and be like, oh, look where I was at and look where I'm at now. Because I do have a few journal entries. And when I do look back on them, I'm like, holy shit, I've like, I've done it. I'm who I wanted to be. I have like survived things. I didn't think I would survive. 100%.

It's so, like, it's so validating to look back on. Yeah. And it helps you, like we were talking about with the door, it helps you realize that you've entered into a door. Yeah. That you're supposed to be in. I remember, every year, January, I write down a list of things that I want to have happened for this upcoming year. And I like, I like script about it as if it's already happened.

So I'll say, here are my goals. And then I'll be like, it's January 1st, 2026. And this happened. And I try to kind of like manifest it happening. And I remember the first year that I did it, I looked back at my journal. and two A.T. Every single bullet point very specifically happened. I was like, this shit works. It's so crazy. I got to show you my vision board on the way out. I have three checks written to myself for a million dollars each of like different reasons why. I love that. Yeah. That's so fun. I do that stuff all the time.

I should do like New Year's party where we just have a bunch of girls over and like manifest and script and stuff. Let's do it. Say less. Let's do it. I'll bring the champagne. We can pop champagne to our failures. Let's do it. I just love that idea. too it's cool that is a good idea i i do want to talk about just behind all your success the real life the loss the struggle the health issues everything which is part of what's on ace right part of it yeah yeah just more of like that's like such a human side of the story yeah um what how do you say what you were diagnosed with brugata syndrome brugada syndrome yeah so what how did you figure this out and what does that look like honestly i wish i knew more about it which is the funny thing because

i feel like i've kind of told people about it now and i really don't know much about it but i don't know really is much to know. As far as I know, basically it's, it's something with my heart that I could kind of just out of nowhere have a heart episode and not be here. What? Yeah, it's weird. It's, again, what I've been explained, because I found out about it because on my dad's side, seven or eight people, or no, maybe, I don't know, a lot of people on my dad's side passed away before the age of 37 of like random heart episodes. Oh my gosh. And for a while, they didn't really know why it was just like that's so weird that these this side of the family has this going on but then as they dug into it further and we learned more about it it's this thing called brigada syndrome and so

it's yeah there really isn't much to do I could put a pacemaker in my heart but I have some family on that side of the family that are like we regret doing that because now we have to really young like live with a pacemaker and like going through airport security and there's a lot of like pain in the butt stuff with it yeah which obviously you know it's like if it saves your life then you want to have it but yeah it's just it's something that I kind of just live with and there's nothing to do about it you can't take medicine or anything no there's nothing with it just yeah there's nothing to like do to fix it or to not it's just like that's I think why to for a while I was like I don't know if I want to talk about it like in front of people or say anything about it because because of my reaction like I'm like no no no I don't

mind it all I mean it's scary it's a crazy thing but but I think it's more so you know I've like for example I've had a lot of cancer in my life like not personally but my best friend at 18 passed away from it My dad has had it five times. My grandma, like, and there's, there's money you can raise for it. There's treatments that we're trying to rally for. There's all of that. With Brigada, it's just, you kind of just have it and you live with it. And if it takes you, it takes you.

And so it's just, there's nothing really to do about it. So does that, does that change the way you live your life? Not at all. Really? Not at all. Like truly, and that's, I think also part of why I'm like, whatever, I don't really, you know, we don't have to talk about it or whatever because it's like, what, what am I supposed to do? Like, you know, just like you could, hopefully not, but like, you could get a car wrecked tomorrow.

not be here. It's just like freak accidents that happen and that's kind of what I've been described that this is is that if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Wow. I could live till I'm 100 and something could take me tomorrow. Right. That's, I mean, kind of life anyways. That's, I feel like Pino knows I was getting all antsy. He just got diagnosed with the heart condition. Oh no. What does he have? Um, it's kind of similar like irregular heart rhythms and skips and stuff. Yeah. It skips and also the vessel that's pumping blood to his heart doesn't pump regularly. But he can go in medicine.

I immediately booked a dog medium appointment. Wait, they have that? Oh. Dog medium? Like spiritual? I'm, yes. And I'm telling you, I know I sound crazy. No, I don't.

I love this stuff. Okay. So this woman, I told her my name was Kelly. And so Kelly, my assistant sent her, that's when you sent the, you said the money to her. I was like, can you send a Venmo to this person? Because I wanted it to come from a Kelly. she didn't know Pino's name and it was over the phone, not FaceTime.

So she didn't know, she couldn't Google me. She didn't know it was Pino. And she immediately said, has something like heartbreak happened or something in the last week? She's like, he's feeling something in his tummy and his heart. And I was like.

What? Yeah, and she, and I was like. Over the phone, this woman knew your dog had a heart issue. Yes. Give me her number. I will. But does she do people too?

She does have, she just has a gift. I think she like really taps into to animals. stuff. The reason that I found out about his heart issue is because his upper right back molar is cracked. And so I wanted to get x-rays and then probably get it extracted because that can cause disease. And so they're like, we'll have to give him an EKG to make sure he can go under. And then that's how we found out he had heart disease because of that EKG. So we found it really early. Yeah. But that's kind of lucky that you have something that can tell you that though, because

that's the weird thing about my thing is like I'd gone to different specialists and Some of them were like, oh, it's clearly on your EKG. And then some are like, we don't see it yet. But the weird thing about Brugrata, too, is that it can show up later in life. So it's so bizarre. And basically it's like genetic testing that tells you all this stuff. He's like, me too. He's like, oh, it's okay, buddy.

We can have heart conditions together. Oh, I'm going to cry. He's like, I get you. I understand you. Well, yeah, it's just crazy. Because for a while, I was like, okay, well, I don't want to talk about it a lot because I just don't know. Like, the doctor is like, you have trace symptoms of it. but it doesn't show up until you die.

Like it's just kind of one of those things. My gosh. And so I didn't want to talk about it because I'm like, what is there. I don't know what to say. Well, and you don't want to manifest anything and put it out there and do all that.

Exactly makes it worse. You should talk to the medium literally said to me, I was going through everything. I was like, how's his, like allergies, how's his skin? And then she goes,

you might want to check his upper back right molar. She knew. And I said, that's how he found out, he has heart disease because it was cracked. And she was like, yeah. She goes,

he's not in pain. And I was like, like, it was wild. Okay, I need to do this for my dog too. She said he's like a very emotional support animal. Like, I feel like he feels we're talking about harps right now. I mean, he just came late on me. I was like, I have a heart condition.

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it is like on top of everything, your dad is battling cancer for the fifth time and then your mom has a heart attack. You lost both sets of grandmothers. Like all of this happened at once. And I want to know because again, like I said, I just don't have. handle things very well and I want to know and be inspired by other people who show up, which you do. How did you show up on stage navigating so much grief and pain? I think weirdly it definitely it helped. I think I think being able to step on to stage and just when you're on stage and you're focused on that, you're distracted from everything else. So it's easy to kind of pour into that. And I'm, I'm an Instagram 7. So I distract, distract, distract. That's how I cope usually.

So when I'm not in therapy and journaling and forcing myself to feel it and understand it, distraction is kind of the best way to cope. Yeah. And so I think there were some nights that being on stage, even singing songs like my song, it's been a year about my grandma. And if she had just passed away, I was like, this, this sucks. Like, this is really hard. I feel like people probably feel it when you're saying it.

Yeah, they do. And I think that's also just the beauty of art. But, you know, it's funny because you said you were good at compartmentalizing. I think I think I really am too to wear when I'm on stage. I'm a version of myself, for sure, but I'm able to kind of just like fully block it out and not allow it to affect me on stage. Yeah.

Which arguably maybe isn't healthy when you're going through it. Well, it's part of being a performer, I think. It's like, you know, it's why you are successful performers because you can do that. And it probably does help. Like you said the distraction, but I just feel like your career is so demanding. Like, and you show up for the other people too,

which I think is beautiful. Like these people are wanting to hear you sing and your vulnerable stories and everything. So it's, I feel like you probably have a very vulnerable audience. Yeah, I think I do. And I think we kind of all respect that we've been through some stuff. I mean, my favorite comments are at merch tables when people will come up to me and say, I was going through a tough time and I thought about taking my own life.

And your song helped me to not do that. And I was going through a divorce of my husband of years and your song helped me get through that. And so I think that to me, of course, I want to have number one songs and radio hits and all this stuff. But I think as you grow into this industry as an artist more and more and you start to know your fan base and know yourself, yes, it'd mean a lot to me to have all of those things. But I think it means 10 times more to me to have an audience that actually gives a shit and cares and is right or die because they relate to it. And like the music means something.

I feel like that's so good for longevity too, just to have that kind of community that cares about you. For sure. Yeah. For sure. I think it's important. And I would rather that than have a a quick big fan base. Yeah. And then then feel like, you know, they won't ride or die with me the way that I would ride or die for them. Yeah. Oh, that's nice.

Well, tell everybody where they can find you. And if you have a website or your music or merch or whatever you want. All the things. All the things. It's honestly just Ashley Cook with an E on the end. ASH L-E-E-E-O-O-K-E. And if you look that up, you probably can find everything you possibly can ever want. Awesome.

Well, you've been through a lot. And you're very vulnerable and strong. And I just loved chatting with you today. And thank you for sharing it all. Thanks for sharing too. I got to really hang out and talk and I got to hear a lot of your story too. I know, and now we can be friends.

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