Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Big Book Guys: The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

It’s the first official meeting of the Big Book Guys and we could not be more excited! For those of you who were unable to join the live discussion, we have you covered with a recording of Kaitlyn’s conversation with her producer, Alesha (AKA Glenda Cl!t), her assistant, Maggie, and a Zoom full of the Vinos. The first book of book club was The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkins Reid, a book with an incredible amount of hype and some major theories related to one blonde Hollywood star. Kaitlyn and the Big Book Guys cover all the topics and questions you wanted to discuss, including how Kaitlyn related to Evelyn Hugo, what they would have done in Monique’s situation, and the twists and turns they did and didn’t see coming. Beyond the book, KB & the Vinos chat about their opinions on soulmates and go down some TikTok rabbit holes. Stay tuned for the end as they announce next month’s book including a very special offer from the author herself! Stay connected, Vinos! Watch on the Off The Vine YouTube channel  Follow on Instagram @offthevinepodcast  Join Our Off The Vine Facebook Group  Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: ANGI - Your home for everything home. PELOTON - Try the Peloton App today FREE for 30 days. OUAI - Go to TheOuai.com and use code VINE for 15% off your entire purchase. SKIMS - SKIMS “Fits Everybody” and more best-selling essentials are available now at SKIMS.com....See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So official. Is starting. Your session. No, wait, I've already done that. You've got to have a new one. I said discussion. Oh, your discussion is now. about the books start now let's discuss let's bailing it up and discuss the book okay so i'm going to

start off by saying a very unpopular opinion oh okay we're not okay yeah i had notes but you go you do you okay i'm just going to start it off the book was way too hyped up for me i the amount of people that hyped this book up to me for years and and i understand because it's a great book but it was way too hyped up over the years i know it's controversial Yeah, but I think that's fair. I think when people talk about what? Somebody said, I feel that way about Colleen Hoover. Oh, Maggie has that feeling about Colleen Hoover as well. Mm-hmm. She does. I think when you talk about something too much or you see it everywhere, you start to anticipate a higher level. Yeah. And then it's probably still a really great book. If we had never heard about it, I'm sure it would have been like, oh, wow, this is a really good book.

Right. But the fact that it was like, you're going to be shocked. You're going to be like in awe. It wasn't shocking. No. It was, but I'm used to reading Colleen Hoover books where it's like very shocking. Maggie, why don't you like Colleen Hoover books? Too dark for you? Too dark. Okay.

She puts out a lot of content. Well, that's what, okay, but every book's a banger, Maggie. So I don't know how she bangs out that many books. Anyways, well, we'll talk about that soon. We'll talk about it. Alicia's got notes. A lot of people are saying I like to Malbu Rising better than seven husbands. Oh, how do you feel about that?

I was more empowered by seven husbands, and I was more into the story of Malibu Rising. Yeah, because one of the questions we had on our discussion list was after reading The Seven Husbands, would you read another Taylor Jenkins read book? And my initial reaction was yes, because I did, and then I read One True Loves. I don't know if you've heard of that. I personally didn't like it. I've heard great things. I don't know if anyone else has read it.

Daisy Jones in the Six is something I would love to read. Carrie Soto. Carrie Soto. I tried watching Daisy Jones on the television. On the tube. On the tube. And I couldn't get into it. Oh, okay.

I didn't even know it was a show or, but I just became a reader. So please, I also just got roped into sitting here and talking about an hour ago. I feel like you read the book. I did. You are here. You set up a lot of this with Miss Maggie. I did. makes sense. I just was not...

You're Glenda Clit. You got it. I'm not dressed as Glenda. No. I did bring that. You should address as Glenda Clip. I did. I brought it. Well, what kind of notes you got for us? Maggie and I worked on just creating some discussion questions, and we thought that we would go through them. You and I would kind of discuss what we thought, and then we could bring some people on from the Zoom to then give their opinion, so Maggie doesn't have to read

the chat. And then we could... Well, you're still going to, but... And then we could maybe open it up at the end where you can, I can... either raise your hand or your glass or whatever you're feeling, and if you have anything that we didn't touch on that you want to talk about from the book, we can. And then at the end, we're going to have a theory. Yeah, we have a theory.

And then, after that, we have some, we are tasin. We are tasin. We are tis-in-tickland. We're tickling the old nuts. We are, uh, for-playing. Oh, what's going to happen at the end? Yeah, we are. It's called, um, foreshadowing?

Foreshadow, oh. But in the sexual world. Forkskin. It's called the thorskin. I swear this is just half a cocktail in. We're screwed. We just started. No, we're going to announce the new...

The new book. The new book. We took everyone's poll, so at the end, well, that'll be the final thing that we do. Yeah. Yeah, we've got a lot. So the first thing, and obviously what the book was about, Evelyn. Yes, Evelyn. What did you think of Evelyn?

Yeah. Well, she reminded me of me a bit. Yes. Really? she cares what people think but she wants to put herself outside of that and push her comfort levels to not care what people think because what society tells you is usually what you think you're supposed to do and she tried to fight back on that so I feel like a small part of me related to her in that way like if someone tells you you you can't do something you're like watch me yeah so that I felt like and then I'll find a way to build a community community of it and find the like-minded people that I want to surround myself with and then be able to do stuff like this. Yeah. Like if someone were to be like, you'll never do that. You'd be like, okay, watch me. And that's, I feel like what Evelyn did was Evelyn was like,

her dad was like, well, all you have is your looks. And so she's like, watch what I can do with it. Like, use it and abuse it. Because her brains were there too, but people underestimated her because of her beauty. Not, I'm not treating my own horn. I'm just, I'm just, I just, I don't know. I felt really empowered the whole time reading it because it kept going back to her wanting to just be who she truly is. And, okay, this is a little crazy. But I saw a psychic while I was in L.A.

And she told me that I was born with only 50% of my soul and spirit and that my whole life I've been searching for the other half of my soul and spirit. And I keep looking for that in jobs, in men, in. what I think I should be doing all these things. And she's like, but you've been on this spiritual journey for the past however many years. I forget what she said. It was something very specific. And I was like, that sounds about right?

To find your soul and spirit. And she said, this is my year to find it. Wow. That's huge. Yeah. I don't know what part of that I believe, but it could be. It could be. I think what I thought with you and Evelyn is that you know who you are and like what you want, but you do let other people affect you. That was what I realized from taking my two-week social media break.

Yeah. Was I was like, wait, I am looking way too much for validation from strangers. Yeah. And the more I can just be true to myself, the more I'm going to attract the right people who are there to support in the community of Instagram and podcast listeners and all the things. So I was doing them a disservice by losing myself a bit in the social media world. Yeah. And I think that's what like the whole.

whole book was about was like we were watching her do these things but then her narrative of what she was like how she was thinking and what she was actually feeling during that time kind of was not what she was portraying because she was affected by what people were saying someone said the huge difference between kb and evelyn is that kb is true to herself and evelyn could never show the world who she truly was that's that's i just want to show up and then i get That is adorable. Who was that person? We.

Oh, and I see some clapping emojis. Oh, and people are clapping in the chat. You guys. That's cute. I feel like that's why I was put on this freaking planet is because I'm supposed to keep digging to find who I really am and share it to encourage others. And I've been trying to do that over the years. Bring her in. Yeah.

Oh, hi. Hi. Wait, can we spotlight her so I can see. I don't wait, or wave, wave. Oh, there. I see you. I see you. I see you. And obviously my dogs are starting to bark right when you unmute me. Of course. We know how dogs work here. That that exact same thing happens. Today I started a podcasting with Andrew Trot. I'm like, don't worry. They're so chill once we get going. Then we got going and they started like fighting on the ground. And I was like, cool, cool, cool. Hi, how are you?

Good. How are you? I'm so good. Thank you. Loved what you just said about Caitlin. That was really nice. But what did you think of Evelyn beyond the comparison of Caitlin? What did you think of her choices? What did you think of her as a person? Were you inspired by her? Or did you disapprove of how she lived her life? Honestly, I, again, it was back in like the 1930s. So it was a different time. So she was doing what Hollywood was approving of people back in the day and stuff. And the fact that she got her story out kind of just. shows how it is kind of modernized, but at the same time, how she was still kind of hiding it until like the last of her time, it still shows that she was still kind of hiding it. So I didn't approve of that. I didn't like how she was still trying to kind of hide her true self. And she never was her true self.

She never saw that. I know it's sad. That kind of made me really sad. It is sad. I feel bad about that. The fact that that was in the 1930s and that that still happens to this day with social media and trying to fit into a bubble with people's approval without showing who you truly are. And in Hollywood, too, like it really is a thing still in Hollywood. And I mean, it's shifting, of course, and changing a little bit. But people still have to, you know, keep their mouth quiet about certain things. Do that like the, even the publicity for concerts coming out or movies to come out to get people. talking, like you have to be dating a certain person and make people think this and it'll do well for the ratings. But what I did like about Evelyn is how she kind of manipulated the system as well to get herself ahead. But it's like that weird, great area of like, come on, be yourself, but she knew she couldn't if she wanted to be this successful actress that she really wanted. And at the end of the day, she got to get to where she wanted, but at what cost. That's exactly what it was. The difference with you, Caitlin, is that, I mean, mean, you're the one that pushes the boundaries and you're the bachelorette that kind of changed everything and were the bachelorette that people were making kind of different changes of. But you're always true to yourself and completely changed how everything is to it is

today. You broke the mold of what women thought they had to be on that show. Well, I feel like I was the bachelor's that nobody asked for, but then realized that we all needed. We all related to. Yeah, I would probably do that, too. Yeah, it is. That makes a lot of sense. And maybe Evelyn opened the door for other people to, like, want to live their truth. I choose to believe this is a true story, by the way, which we will get to.

I do, too. Yeah. Oh. Well, like, the same thing with Malibu Rising, didn't we think it was like McJagger, and, like, I feel like she always does base it on somebody. And she's got connections with somebody. She's got connections. Okay, well, thank you so much for sharing.

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$12.99 per month after trial unless canceled, terms apply. Next question. Did you get into the book right away? I mean, you just said, okay, it did take you a minute? Yes. And usually I will give up on a book very quickly if I'm not into it in the first like 20 pages. Okay. It took you longer than 20 pages? Yeah. I don't even know what I think also because I related to Evelyn so much, I'm like, boring. I've done worse. I'm like, yeah, I've dated a couple of rock stars, hockey players. Like, I'm like just trying to one up the character in. The book. Classic competitive, Caitlin, just like, yeah, so what? Maybe I should write a book. I could write one, too. I'd have crazier stories.

Like, I seriously, it took me a little minute, a little hot minute. That's a you problem, I think. A little bit of a you problem. That's a hundred percent of a you problem. But I'm curious if other people, it took you a minute to get into it because I like when something sucks me in right away, but I'm willing to always give it a try because I've heard so many good things. I actually brought this book on tour with me on day.

dancing with the stars. Really? Yes. And I was like, I'm going to be spending so much time on this damn bus. I'm going to bring this book. Could not get into it. But yeah, I gave it a second chance. Was it because of the book?

Like, did you push yourself because we're like, we're doing a book club? Like, that we kind of have to do it. No, I think when I started finally getting into it was when I was like, okay, I want to have a book club because I want to know if other people felt the same way as I did or if other people took a minute to get into it or of what they think about it. Because I think it is one of those books that there's a lot of different opinions on. There were a lot of opinions. We saw a lot of them when we were, I mean, Maggie did a lot of the social media, props to Maggie.

She did a great job. Yeah. What are they saying? They feel the same way? Yep. Definitely. It took a while. Took a while. Most everybody took a while. But then somebody said, Jenna said, I was hooked right away because I didn't hear much about it. So then she was intrigued to see where it was. Okay. So that goes back to what we were just saying. Yeah. I think that's a big part of it is if the book is so hyped up, I mean, I feel that way about everything in life.

Yeah. The Barbie movie, a little. nervous. I don't even want to see that. A little nervous. Just every time something is hyped up, I'm like, shoot, the bar is too high. Yeah. I'm the type of person also where I'm a little stubborn, probably my Aries. Oh, I'm so stubborn. Yeah. And so when people start to get on a bandwagon of something, I almost am anti-bandwagon. Why do you think I still don't watch sex in the city? Yeah. So like when the Barbie movie, like, I still haven't seen that because I'm like, well, if everyone else has seen it, I don't want to see it. I know. Why are we like this? I don't know. there's multiple shows that have been like that too like stranger things when that was huge i was

like i don't want to watch stranger things same and then i did and then i got into it me too said breaking bad i never watched breaking bad for this reason for this reason though it's exactly why i know and everyone says it's great maybe you write a book like breaking bad oh my gosh breaking bad okay anyways it's not about breaking back right but i do think it ruins it i think when you see so much about it you almost have a sense of like oh maybe i know what's going to happen yeah and i i predicted what happened at the end. Yeah. But I think it's because I heard so much about the book that it was like Yeah, I didn't. I didn't predict it.

A lot of people are saying, too, that they would have loved to hear more of Monique's story. They would have loved to hear more of Monique story. I agree with that. Maybe there should maybe if I want. Hey, Taylor. I know you're watching this at home. She's definitely not because I tried to get her to come on.

She didn't want to come on the pod? I don't, she wasn't doing press, but that's part of our theory. So we'll get to that. Oh, yeah. We'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Taylor. We got an idea for you, Taylor. Monique. We need to know more about her. We need a part two. Yeah. Monique's story. Monique's story. Yeah.

So speaking of Monique, if you were in her position with a job that she had and then you were approached and you had to choose, like you were at this position that, oh, I'm either going to lose my job where I have, make my income, I make my living for this random old lady. Yes. That I've, yeah, I don't know. Oh, I would do it hands down. if you guys had the choice to take off this like a crazy opportunity or stay in your comfort zone you always do that though yeah because that's how you get your comfort zone that's it's a lot harder it's hard for people to do that okay I shouldn't they would do it really I don't know I don't be ashamed of staying in your comfort zone yeah I think I think I would well I'm also thinking of the position I mean I probably wouldn't leave my position and you wouldn't want me to

I would not want you to um if I was in a different position and I had to do that, it would be hard, because I'm like, how am I going to trust you and put my life on the line when I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen? I hate it. I hate that I'm still that trustworthy. Like, people would be like, come with me if you want to live. And I'm like, I'm there. They're like, it costs us much money.

I'm like, take it. Yeah. If I have a gut feeling. Are you really going to give me a good enough story to be able to survive? But Monique was good at still keeping. Yeah, she did a really good job navigating it. Her business where they thought she was doing what they wanted. a really good job. Yeah. That's

why we need Monique's story, too, is because I think her, hearing her thought process more of how she made that decision, how she kind of manipulated both sides to, like, get what she wanted on both ends. Like, that was impressive. That was impressive. Because that's a high anxiety situation, and I think I would have gone into my little

shell and comfort zone. Like, sorry, Evelyn. I would have done what Monique did. I also don't trust myself. Am I good enough for this? Oh, imposter syndrome. Mm-hmm. Well, we all have that. Yeah. But in different areas. I have a positive syndrome in other areas of my life. But that one I would play a huge part in it of not only do I have to trust you that your story is going to be good enough for me to leave my livelihood. Now I have to trust my self. What if it was like Brad Pitt telling you to tell a story when you be like, yes, Brad Pitt? I guess, yeah. Evelyn Hugo is a fictional character that I can't think. If I were to put it like Marilyn Monroe. Maggie, didn't you have a theory about, oh, was that your theory that we're going to talk about? when I said I thought it was Elizabeth Taylor,

but you said I have a different theory. Who is your theory? Is that what we're going to talk about later? Okay, got it. Yeah, and we can get into that later because if that person came up to me, I would drop everything now. Yeah, same.

Later in the porn. Same. Also, everyone knows. Yeah, I know, I know. Oh, you guys. We're all know the theories? Like, it's not, on-to-tech. Oh, here I am thinking I'm breaking news.

It's going to break the internet. No, it's my part of the theory. Oh, your theory is a little bit different. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, Maggie's got some inside scoop. Oh, yeah.

Best friends. Speaking of Monique's decision making, what do you think of her decision at the end of the book? What was it? You guys, I'm scared that I... Did you read it? I'm scared that I didn't read the last few pages after... Okay, Evelyn decided to end her life, and Monique did not interrupt. That's the decision.

What do I think about that decision? Because she was going back and forth. should I stop her or not. I don't think there would have been a way to stop her. No. Yeah, I just feel like at that point, that's hard because how do you, because then you live with that in the back of your mind at all times that you let that happen knowing it was good, of course, but this is where I suck because I see both sides of everything. Somebody said I would definitely let Evelyn make their, make her own decision. Yeah. Yeah, it's her life. But I mean, after you get to know somebody like that and then you're like, but I don't want them to. Yeah, I think it's super hard, but I think it's selfless of Monique to let Evelyn do what she wanted to do because it would have been selfish for her to go in and save her because it would have been her own conscious that she was saving when Evelyn wanted this. And how old was Evelyn again? So she had lived, I mean, I would say she had lived a good life, but she lived a long life.

And she had cancer and 79. Okay. She lived a long life. And honestly, my opinion is, like, if I was, if I was in Evelyn's shoes, I would understand why. Like, I get it. Yeah. Like, all your love ones are gone. Yeah, it's so morbid.

It feels so dark to say that. Someone's probably going to come after me for saying that, but I don't care. I'm dark and twisty. That's what the book club is for. Different opinions and different ways you read the book, different ways you'd react to it. Okay. Move on. Let's move on.

My favorite husband was Harry. Yeah, I think it's the only choice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be, there's no, yeah, there's no other answer.

Because all of them, all the other ones, ew, I hated Mick. Because I'm like, oh, yeah, you knew him from the other book. I knew it from the other book. And I was like, you little slime ball. Yeah. Did you have any big reactions while reading? So when I was reading it, I was like, okay, obviously Evelyn and Celia. We haven't mentioned Celia really at all.

The love of her life. Celia, let's talk about her. When they were, like, just talking. Let's talk about her dead silence. Because I was trying to, like, go back into the book and be like, what part was I? When they were at the party, I really was like, oh, they're lesbians. Like, I felt like I knew they were in love with each other before it came out. Yeah, I think I knew.

Did everyone know that? Yeah. A lot of people knew. Yeah, I feel like I knew right when she was introduced and they went to the, like, diner. Like, I was like, there's going to be something here. Like, the way that she didn't know each other. I heard so much about it, but I just kept thinking seven husbands. so I did not see a lesbian twist coming.

Yeah, I knew where there was. Oh, so when it was happening, I was like, oh, she's probably going to be in love with this woman, and I didn't know that that was part of the story. Yeah, I wish I didn't. I think it would have shocked me more, but I already knew that it was... But another big reaction was clearly

when we found out that Monique's dad was Harry's lover in that car accident, and they left him. Yeah, which I also saw that coming. You did? Yes, because I think I knew something huge was huge, and, like, twisty was coming. coming. And so I kept thinking it had to be her dad, something with her dad. And so then once Harry's lover was introduced, I was like, there's her dad. Oh, see, my brain's like, do do-d-do.

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the last resort sessions, wherever you get your podcasts. Do we have questions in the chat? Yeah, a lot of people didn't see it coming. Yeah, I don't think that's common. One good question, so we got back to the big reaction question. Yeah. A couple of them, obviously, when Harry got in the accident. Yeah.

That was a big reaction part. Big reaction. Big reaction. And then when Celia and Evelyn, like, got married, but it was just the two of them. Oh, my gosh. When we found out that Celia was dying, I... Yeah. I was really emotional during that part.

Yeah, that was tough. Okay, so yes, because I remember when Celia was passing away, I was like, really? Like, she lost Harry and now this. A good question was, okay, so you knew, like, you could feel that they were lesbian, so they liked each other. Yeah. Did you think that it was going to last the whole book? No.

No. I definitely did not think that love story was going to be the greatest love story of all of the book. I thought the first time it ended, like towards the beginning of. the book. I thought that's when it was over. Yeah. When they didn't like don't see each other and then come back together and that love is still that strong. Yeah. Now this question that I have for everybody is going to be really heavy. Oh. And I want everybody to be vulnerable if they choose to be. But raise your hand if you have that person in your life that was like the one that got away, the one that you'll never forget the greatest love of your life. I want to know how many are not with them and how many are

with that person. Wow. Sweet. Okay, that's so cool. That was a very split. That was split. I was not expecting that. How many people are with somebody else

and feel like they are still meant to be with somebody else? You guys don't have to answer, but I see. Oh, I saw a couple of this. Somebody said, we're in the in-between stage. Oh, romantic. I just always think there's probably so many of those stories like do you guys believe in soulmates i want to know in the chat this is

an interesting topic what is the majority of answers totally split yeah i have a hard time i have a hard time answering this my my own brain because i do believe you can love multiple people and i do believe evelyn did yes and evelyn showed us that i have also loved multiple people but i feel like there's a special connection with certain people but i still think there might be able to be multiple of them. Yeah, I do too. So I don't know if I believe in soulmate. There is a quote in the book. Oh, please. Tell us.

Do you want to read it? Here. It's the highlight. It was around that time that I started to believe that friendships could be written in the stars. If there are all different types of soulmates, and then it said, I told Harry one afternoon, when the two of us were sitting out on the patio with Connor, then you are

one of mine. Yeah. I do think there's soulmates and friends, too. I do too. I think there's, yeah, maybe like you said, soul connections, but I mean, now we're just splitting hairs. Yeah. I don't believe in one soulmate. Yeah. I believe in soulmates. But then tell that to somebody who's found their soulmate and they're in love and

Well, there's more. Sorry to burst your bubble, but live a little. There's probably more. Travel to Europe and eat prey love, okay? I believe in soul dogs. Yeah. Soul dogs, 100%. Soul dogs. Pino is the love of my life. Ramen is my soul dog. Same with my dogs.

Yeah. Raman literally saved me. We are soulmates. Yeah. And Pino is my dog. And I love him so. He's my angel. He's also an angel sent to me.

Yeah. I agree with that too. Yeah. I have the same thing. It's a weird, it's like an unspoken thing. So do you think Celia and Evelyn were soulmates? Yeah. Oh, okay.

I do. Great. I do. From what she described. But I also think Harry was, too, in a friendship way. I do, like she said in the book. I do think that you can have those friends. that you're like you it's the friend that you can go months without speaking to you get in a room

together and you're like nothing about us is different yeah i still have this connection with you i don't feel like i have to force anything like that's a sole friendship of soulmate friendship people are agreeing with harry and um yeah they're sharing so really like sweet things about soulmates let's let's hear a couple let's hear kately's story about her soulmate oh another kately we love a fellow kately Hi Caitlin. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm so excited to hear your story. Yeah. So I had just said I had gone through a period of my life where I was single for a really long time and decided to become a foster parent. And so I had this little eight-year-old girl with me for about two years. And the week that she was actually transitioning back to her family or her dad, I had actually met. my current husband and just a firm believer that as that kind of like chapter of my life closed he came into my life at like the absolute right time and you know it was it's just been great

and i mean we're we're newlyweds we'll be celebrating a year in november congratulations i just will always ever be thankful for for him coming into my life when he did wow oh my i think that's a huge part of like soulmates too is the timing of your life when they come in is just meant to be yeah yeah and some people might not even get the chance to meet their soulmates which is the saddest thing i've ever said in my life but you did and and it was all from you having that beautiful experience of being a foster parent and doing what you did to be put on your right path and oh my gosh what's your husband's name so he's from turkey actually so he goes by Charlie. He lives in the States with me now, but I actually can't even pronounce his

actual answer. I was like, why is she hesitating? Okay, that makes sense. I made the story up. You're like, actually just really wanted to be on off the vine. I'm happy to be here. Oh my gosh. I love that story. Even hearing that, I'm like, as long as I'm following my own path and I feel like that, you know, one day, it doesn't matter how long it takes. It doesn't matter at what point you are in life, it's like, it's going to come at the right time. That's sweet. Thank you for sharing your story. Yeah, of course. I love that. Thank you so much. And Caitlin, how do you spell it? With a C. Oh, bitch. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. All Caitlin's welcome here. Okay, let's dive into our theory that everybody knows. Okay. Yeah. So obviously, we all think this is maybe Taylor Swift.

Apparently. Do other people think that? Because there is a theory that's floating around that Taylor Swift is in love with Carly Clause. There's all these different things. There's TikToks. There's so many theories. Maggie, what's that one TikTok? Remember? And it was like all the, there's so many different nods.

Nods to Taylor with the lyrics. Really? Because Taylor is a writer and we think she wrote this book with Taylor Jenkins. Yeah, right. That's not a real person. She didn't come on. She didn't

on the podcast, which actually plays into the theory because maybe she likes that theory because it makes more people talk about her book and she gets Hollywood. Yeah, I mean, she clearly does if she wrote a book about it. I mean, there are so many parallels with Taylor with her little whirlwind romance, but there's so many parallels to Taylor Swift with this book, the lyrics, there's, we'll find the TikTok and put it on the off the vine page of all the lyrics, Taylor Swift lyrics. It might be a stretch and it might be bang on. Is there anyone on there that's like...

Doesn't believe in the conspiracy case? Doesn't or like really knows a lot about it that could hop on and give us some examples. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I feel like that'd be fun to hear what other people have seen. I've seen a lot on TikTok and I mean, I believe it. I think it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. I'm sure there's some huge Swifties here. And it's her way of getting her story out. And if we're wrong, we're wrong. And a fictional way too. So it's not like, I mean, we all are predicting it. And Taylor, Taylor Swift always has these little nuggets that she drops. Easter eggs.

Easter eggs. Yeah. Yeah, she has Easter eggs everywhere. Like, this would be a pretty interesting Easter egg if when she's 80, she goes, hey, you'll remember that book that blew up back in 2020? That was me. That would be a huge. But then I get scared. I'm like, does Taylor Swift have breast cancer?

Well, I mean, it has to be some sort of fictional story. It's kind of back to like Hollywood. Like Hollywood fabricates real stories all the time to make them better for film or whatever. So it could be that kind of thing. That would be wild. Yeah. If that's true. That would be wild.

Lauren, come on in. Lauren. You're right, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Where in the world are you? Hi.

I'm in Austin. Oh, amazing. I love Austin. Are you from there? You met you in Bee Cave when you came to the Target. Oh, yeah. I think I had a. hat on and a green dress. I tried to bring my two golden retrievers in the store, but I was too nervous.

Oh, yes. You told me that too, right? Yes. Yeah, I do remember. Oh, that's amazing. Well, good to see you. Good to see you, too. Thanks for doing this. This is so fun. I just got into reading, like, a lot this year, and I, like, have a good reads goal and everything. So I just read this, like, two books ago. Oh, good. Oh, amazing. Okay. I'm excited. And also, is everybody having fun in here, or is it just us? Yeah. They are. Okay. everybody okay okay well we're excited to hear your theory so talk to us um the caler of it all yeah i have gone down so many rabbit holes tic talks i'm in a facebook group that is like caler stands my brother-in-law actually has like gone down reddit rabbit holes so there's a lot to unpack but basically like a lot

of people say that the reputation cover uh you know how it's like her face but she has like the cat eye whatever one eye is hers and one eye is carly clauses yeah so it's either a picture that they have from just like hanging out or it's this is my favorite one right now at least but she has a like a little pocket mirror that she's holding up looking backwards it's like where the daisies on the dashboard which is one of her lyrics also that's like a big thing for them she like holds it up and that's the eye that's on the reputation cover no way hmm yeah What in the goof? That's so crazy.

Yeah, the daisy, like the daisy on the dashboard is from, like, that's on, in one of her lyrics, I can't think of it right now. But also one that I just uncovered recently, and I have to look up the song, because it was a, it was a release on right where you left me from Evermore is basically her and Carly's story. Yes, I agree with that, that Carly's husband is a mutual bear. But I also have a hard time with that because they're political views. are very opposite of Taylor.

That's what makes their love story a little bit more like then that's easy for her to be with someone that she really doesn't like or that it would be more believable to the public. Yeah, well, I think that was a good theory until they had a... Didn't she have a baby?

Oh, yeah. Well, someone just made a good point that Evelyn had a baby with a man with Harry, obviously, because that's still something she wanted, which she couldn't have gotten from Celia. And I mean, if it's a true thing, Also, there's like a video of them kissing at a 1975 concert, which is really interesting

because then she had the Maddie Healy of it all. Holy shit, you guys. This is, the internet is so smart. When was this book written? Because the book was written before Carly had a baby, no? But I think that's an easy one to weave in. A lot of women, even women who are bisexual or who are lesbians, want babies. And if they want a biological baby, then you kind of have to figure that out.

whether why not be with your other gay best friend so do we think jared's a beard is jared gay i don't think so that would be great if he was i would love it for the plot yeah i would love it for the plot wait that is so these theories like add up to which is crazy i'm gonna be with my mutual friend of carly's soon and i'm i'm gonna do some deep diving into this just start like saying random lyrics from dress and just see the reactions that's crazy man yeah i encourage everyone to go down the rabbit hole it's very fun but then it makes me a little bit sad because i just want taylor to be out there and be herself then i'm like if that's your true love and the love of your life just do it taylor yeah she has a plan for everything she has already thought of what

she will be doing on this day in five 10 years right like that is the thing yeah cat ridge just made a good point her one true love is her career she can't make carly let's say the main thing because it's going to potentially shift everything if i was on taylor's level will know if her one true love is her career then that's... Yeah, it is. Hey, if I had to... It's about her songs and it's about her fans too.

Let's say I had a secret love of my life that was a woman right now and they said you had to give up off the vine and then be with her and that's the end of everything. I'd be like, I'll keep a secret a little longer. Yeah, because you have a passion for what you do. Yeah, and you're just making like this insane love story and telling your story through music

without actually telling it and still being able to keep it sacred somewhat until we all ruin it for them. But, yeah, until the internet finds us. The only thing that I can't figure out is how Joe stayed as committed for as long as he did, for as long as he did, unless he's like a, what's his face, Harry and has someone also. Yeah, that's what Maggie thinks. Is that what you think, Maggie? Yeah, I think that Joe is definitely her hairy. Yeah, because no, no, like, shade to Joe, but, like, who the fuck is Joe Alwin? You know, like, we're good. It's okay. We're good. You need to be on more podcasts about conspiracy theories because I am, I mean, I'm all in on this

theory. Holy shit. Wow. Okay. Well, thank you for sharing. Thank you for allowing me to share my one true love. Yeah. You're one true love, a rabbit holeing and sharing it with the class. Thank you. That's awesome. Thank you so much. It's so nice to see you. Cheers. Oh, we need to talk about the new book. That's what I was going to say. We still have one more thing. We still have one more thing. So, okay, we put out a poll. We did not just like, Really nilly decide this. We didn't willy nilly it. We wanted your input.

Yeah. Maggie has done a lovely, lovely job of organizing all of your guys's input and then putting out a poll on the story about. So we asked everybody what books. Then from the, she literally made like a spreadsheet. It was crazy. It was crazy about all the books that you guys suggested and then ranked them by how many people said it.

Like it was insane. So then she took the top four and put those on the stories and we voted from there. So she's going to bring the books. book out. Which you guys can guess in the chat, which you probably are. We can't see the chat, but you can't see the chat, but I'm sure you can. I just looked at Alicia and said, wait, what is it called again? Even though I've already started reading it. I know. I saw it on your bed this morning when I walked in. I'm already in the 40s, page 40-something. That's awesome. Yeah. So the book is, oh, she probably can't find it. It's probably by my tub.

Okay. Then just say it. Too late, Colleen Hoover. That's the book we're all going to do. Yay. Oh, there's some clapping. You don't like Colleen Hoover if it's just where you're like, I was on the Maggie train with the, you know, it's not. I get it. Bear with us because we're not going to all agree on all the books all the time. And that's kind of part of the book club. Yeah. Woohoo. Here it is. Here it is. Colleen was nice enough to send me this copy. And I don't think you know this. What? She was nice enough to give us 20% off. Yes, I didn't know this. She's giving all of you 20% off to go buy the book. But yeah, if you guys, want to go purchase it 20% off how do you do it there's like a specific link so we'll post okay we'll post it on off the vine's page right now we'll post it off the vine's page because it'll be easier

because you'll have to go to that specific link we would like to do a trigger warning for the book yes for sure um for drug abuse and sexual assault so um again if if we don't align we're not gonna all be able to align on all the books all the time but um wanted to warn you guys and then give you the 20% off and then we will do this ones a month and we'll get better at it because this is our first one and we'll try and find more ways to be interactive and then I think we should all really plan one big year in-person meet up for the book club. I think that would be so fun. Oh my gosh. Like we'll all get all the hookups at hotels and we'll like try and just make it this big event. I would love that. Yeah. That would be so cool. And like I also think, okay, we could do this big event

in like a major city but then I think it would be great to I know a lot of the vinos on the off the vine page they get together in large cities and do their own meetups so like if we maybe you can't travel to wherever we're gonna go to do it

but you can work like we can work together and be like everybody in Madison Wisconsin will meet at this place and like have like people lead someone lead their city and then like do little meetups there too I think that would be really fun I think that's really cool

I'm wondering is there anybody that's in here that, and I'm not offended by this, that doesn't listen to the podcast but is in for the book club. Is there anyone, Maggie? Oh, yep. I love that. See, that's cool too because honestly, like, books bring people together

the same way music does. Did you have fun? Did you? Oh, yes. Or did you think you're weird? Yeah. Yeah, now, if you don't listen to the podcast and you were here for that shit show, what do you think? I would like everybody to let me know in the comments if you loved this.

what we could do different, what next time you would love to see. But also, if you took any social media, share it, get other people, your friends in the book club. Because we could have such a big book community and all nerd out together, and it would be so fun. I'm really excited. Just a couple more logistic things for the next book, just so everybody listening will know right away. We'll post about it obviously, but I just want to put it on as many platforms as we can. Colleen will be coming on the podcast. So everybody get ready for that.

I think that makes it even more exciting to read her book. And if you've read her other books, like, that's great, too. We can ask her questions about those. You can start thinking about your questions for Colleen. Yeah. Which is that you always want to ask the author questions after reading a book. Like on Verity, I was like, I have so many questions. What is wrong with your point?

Are you okay? Yeah. So we're really excited about that. So I wanted to let everybody know that. then hopefully it's going to be recorded in the beginning of October. We're planning for October 4th, but it's not locked in, so it could be a week after that or so. But so plan to have the book read by the beginning of October because we'll be recording

with Colleen. And we'll do the same thing with like all of you guys being able to come on here. We'll donate to another charity, more related to this book rather than the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo. Yeah. And then you guys can literally ask Colleen. your own questions. That is awesome. This is going to be so fun. Yeah. I'm really excited about this club. I'm so excited. I love it. I feel like you get the real ones in here too, you know? The real

peeps. Yeah. Yeah. None of them trolls. So love you guys. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday. This is Belowdex Captain Lee. Listen to my new podcast, Salty, with Captain Lee. Um, don't you mean our podcast? Uh, yeah, I guess I do. Anyhow, listen to Salty with Catherine Lee, co-hosted by my assistant, Sam. And we will be talking about the latest pop culture news and all the gossip every week.

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