Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Big Book Guys: Too Late WITH Colleen Hoover

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

KB took the second official Big Book Guys meeting to a whole new level with the most remarkable guest imaginable: The GOAT of the literary world, a New York Times Bestselling author with 24 novels/novellas under her belt, and the very author of the book in discussion, Colleen Hoover! Kaitlyn jumps right into the burning questions stemming from their reading of 'Too Late,' from the intriguing pronunciation of "Asa" to the closely guarded secret of the paternity test. But that's just the beginning; Colleen provides us with a behind-the-scenes look at her creative process in crafting the book. She reveals how she wrote it chapter by chapter, hand in hand with her dedicated readers, and offers insights into character development and the challenges of writing dark and twisty novels. This in-depth exploration into the mind of a literary genius is a book club meeting like no other, and you won't want to miss it. It’s not too late to join the book club! The next Big Book Guy read is, ‘The Housemaid’ by Freida McFadden! Buy ‘The Housemaid’ now on Amazon & check out other books Kaitlyn recommends HERE. And, start discussing on the Fable app by going to: fable.co/bigbookguys. Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: ANGI - Your home for everything home.  CLARINS - Use code VINE23 at checkout for 10% off and a FREE 7-piece gift of skincare products. OAK ESSENTIALS - Get 15% off your first order when you use code VINE at OakEssentials.com.  WELLA ULTIMATE HAIR REPAIR - Get 10% off your order when you use code 10VINE at www.wella.com.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and Angie, your home for everything home. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now starting. Thank you guys for all showing up. part of this and reading with us. And I was talking to Cleo and we were talking about the skinny confidential and how Lauren was talking about five important things you should do in your life to be, I don't know what it was, either successful or healthy or stable. Who knows? I think number two on her list of top five things was reading. I feel like reading is one of those things where you can go to an escape without feeling like you're numbing. It's actually like good for your brain and you get

to escape. And it obviously brings together community and dogs in this group, which I love when people show their dogs. Cats too, sure. And it's just good for the soul. I feel like it's nostalgic. There's something about turning a page. And I'm glad we can all be here. So thank you guys. And welcome to the big book guy's second meeting. Second meetup. Is that what we're calling at a meeting? Discussion, if you will. I get really giddy about these. I get really giddy. I've been waiting all day. I went on a nice little hike this morning. and went into a waterfall. And I said, I was with C.C.

Brett Kessel's wife. And we were singing, don't go chase in waterfalls. And we're like, why not? Seems like a nice life. I don't know why. These rivers and lakes that we're used to are boring. I want to chase waterfalls. Anyways, we have leveled up since our last book club meeting.

I don't have the charcutory board that I once had, but I do have a more important thing in this Zoom. One fable. Are you guys on the fable app? Raise your hand if you're on the fable app or thumbs up. up. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Okay, I love that. If you're not on Fable, get your little tushy over there and get the app and download it. And there's over 600 big book guys in the Fable app, which is really cool because you can discuss chapter by chapter on this app without spoiling it. Like, I really wanted to do it on Facebook. I didn't know about the app yet, but now I'm like, oh my gosh, Fable's genius.

You can go in, you can discuss chapter by chapter. It's like an app for all of us who are reading without having spoilers because I've gotten in like actual fights with partners with girlfriends with the internet over spoilers and so that app is really incredible and then we're still hoping to level up obviously in the future of the book clubs we want to do someone's in person and do merch and a bunch of fun stuff could you guys imagine big book guy merch like let's get in our nerd era in our reading era and like reading is sexy the skinny confidential says so, so I believe it. But obviously leveling up for this second discussion, because we have the goat, the legend, the one, the only, literally the most special guests I could possibly

bring into a book club, Colleen Hoover, who wrote the book that we all read. Yeah! I always feel like such a dork, because I'm like, I can't hear anybody. I'm sure they're all cheering at home, but I'm like, woo, yes. Everybody. give it up for Colleen, clap at your screen, raise your glass, whatever you want to do. I told her before we started the Zoom, I'm like, I'm fan-girling. I nerd out every time I get to like, the fact that you repost our stuff, I'm like, you are the goat of all authors. I've read books like from whatever age to now, and I'm like, it just doesn't, nobody beats

you, number one New York Times bestselling author of 24 books. That is bananas. And some people are like, how does she just pump out that many books? I go, not only does she pump out that many books, they are all bangers. There's not one, one that I don't read that is not leaving me on the edge of my seat that I go, I finish that so quickly. It's crazy. You're amazing.

Thank you for being on our Zoom today. Thank you for having me. Hello, everyone. Happy Wednesday. Happy day after Mean Girls Day. I know everybody posted on Instagram and I saw one girl. I think it was, what's her name? Brittany.

She is. Brittany Stone. Josh? No, Josh Allen from the Buffalo Bill's ex-girlfriend. She said, the feminine urge to dot, dot, dot, dot. It's October 3rd. That's just what it is. So thank you for bringing that up.

I love it. The day after Mean Girls. So you're officially a big book guy now. How does it feel? Wonderful. This is fun. How many people are in y'all's group? Well, who's here?

How many are here today? I know there's, like, 140. 140 big book guys. No. But there's $600. on fable six people at a time so i that's a lot of people hi everyone there's not i think there's yeah 140 and then there's but there's 600 on the fable app and um i just want to grow this book club to be like we're going to like take over cities at one point we're just going to do like we're going

have a vagus residency of book guys um i need to have book guys crews yeah oh wait that's genius will you come i would absolutely be there yeah that could you imagine That would be so much fun. That's a great idea. I'm actually shocked we haven't thought about that. So many people read this book in like one or two days. There's obviously a lot to it. Obviously, as you know, we've probably had to do trigger warnings.

And some people are just like, it's like a car accident almost where you're like, I can't look away. It's just so, you know, it's so dark. And there's so many questions that we all have. So number one question, what is the number one question you get asked about this book? And why is it? How do you spell AAS? It's Asa

Aza Yeah I thought everyone would know how to say that Just because he was such a big character on Was it General Hospital or One Life to Live? Oh That was in the 80s, early 90s So a long time ago I did watch General Hospital

But say it again Asa Asa See I said I said what did you say Lisa? I said Asa Alicia said Asia and I said Aza like why i'm not a z but i'm but i put it in okay i feel like that was a very burning question that

everybody wanted to know we all want to know how you created these characters in the book when you're writing and you're creating characters i'm sure sometimes you're basing them off of people you know sometimes it's like your imagination but how did you create these characters from this i i i try to avoid basing them off anyone i know in real life honestly like i don't yeah i don't want anyone coming going, oh, is that supposed to be so and so? You know, I live in a very small town, so I can just imagine. But this book is actually very different than all of the other ones I wrote. Not a lot of people know the whole story of this book, but it's actually the second book I ever started writing. And I wrote, yeah, I wrote Sand, which was super sweet, YA. And then I just was like, oh,

I don't want to be stuck in that. I want to go dark. And so, I wrote like five chapters of this one and let my mom read it. Stop. Yeah. And Stephanie, who was my boss at the time. And they were like, it's a little dark. It's a little much. Maybe wait a while for that one.

So I actually set it aside and would work on it when I was stuck in between other books. I actually ripped a lot out of this book for other books. Like the title used to be Ugly Love and I stole it. characters used to all be names that I've used in other books and eventually started writing it on Wapad one chapter at a time and so readers were reading it live as it was being written over the course of several years and it just became this big thing this big group thing where I would just go in and make the most ridiculous chapters I could think of so that the you know the discussions

afterward we would have like a book discussion on Facebook after every chapter that I wrote and Yeah, it was crazy. It was just kind of written over the course of probably five years just for fun. And it was free on Wattpad for a year or two. And then, yeah, now it's on bookshelves, which is exciting and also mortifying. Well, I always picture like, obviously Verity is one of our favorite books over here. And I've read it three times now. I've never read a book more than once. And I've read Verity three times. It must be so interesting because you're like, what are people? people thinking when they think, like, this is my brain and this is how I write, kind of the same way in Verity as you're like, she had to go to a dark place or did she, you know, to create this character? And then do you ever worry that people are like, what are they going to think about my brain? Yeah, but not really. Like, if I worried, because that's part of being a writer. I got it. I probably wouldn't write the stuff that I write. I don't really care, you know, what people think. Like, I just, I have fun with it. And we had a lot of fun as it was being written.

I don't think if I would have wrote this book intending for it to just be like a novel that I put out at once that it would have turned out the way that it did. Like it's very outlandish in a lot of scenes and a lot of that was how it was written and the fun we were all having with it. And so, yeah, when I can't go back and read it because I will probably be a little bit like, oh my God, I can't believe people are reading this and associating it with me and my thoughts. but I mean, I'm the one who has grown up paper and I feel like people can I feel like people can compartmentalize like a writer and your writer's brain like it obviously there's so many books

out there that it doesn't have to do with like who you are as a person but that's why we read them is because it's like your people's writers imaginations is always so mind-blowing to me but you said to something earlier about how you were going to call it ugly love and clearly you wrote that as another book because I've read that book too but what made you switch the title and why? Because Ugly Love makes sense for that one. So what does too late? How does that align with this book? Too Late was actually kind of an inside joke because we, you know, we were, we didn't have a title in the beginning as I was writing it on Wattpad. And then it was an inside joke in the group about, and I honestly can't even remember what the inside joke was. And I ended up

naming the file too late, and then it translated over to Wattpad, and then the title just never changed away from that. And so I actually, this is probably the one book where the title wasn't necessarily embedded into the story or come from the story like all of my other books do. Oh, that's so interesting. That was one of my best friends who read it, too. She's in here tonight. She was like, ask her about the title. And I was like, actually, that's a good question, because I don't know how it uh it goes with the story but that that's funny that's an inside joke and it just ended up sticking now when you write do you build off of one character like did you start with one character and build from it or do you have kind of a story in your head and you put characters

into it like did you start with one person in particular um it really depends on the book i it was so long ago when i wrote too late i think i just wanted a villain um I wanted to write someone as horrific as Asa. It was a lot of fun to write. I hate saying that, but it was. He's probably one of my favorite characters to get to do a point of view from. But yeah, with this one, I had no idea where it was going. Usually I have somewhat of an outline or an ending or the plot twist, like something in mind.

But this one I didn't. I kind of just wrote it as people were reading it, which was a very different experience for me because, you know, usually you put an entire book out and then you get the feedback. But this was like as I was writing it, you know, I'd read feedback and then it spark an idea. So the readers who were involved in it from the very beginning really had a big hand in like, you know, the decisions that I was making along the way with this book. It's so crazy. You really do have a very loyal fan base because I've seen there's Facebook groups for you of people that get like legit book tattoos of like,

your characters that you create and it's it's you've created a big community and i'm always like conscious of that i'm like what if i do something that annoys you in the future or obsess you but i guess it's the same like i have band lyrics all over me so you know i guess it's the same thing getting a quote or a heart or something from a book that meant something to you yeah exactly it's it's kind of like sometimes i want to go back and delete things off instagram of like old relationships or certain things but I go it's part of my story and I can't go and delete I have ex-boyfriend's initials tattooed on my foot but you don't see me getting that lasered off it's a it's a memory it's part of you know a certain point in your life and I feel like that's kind of what your stories are

to people it's it you really get um like so invested in these books and it's like I get sad when they're over and I'm sure everybody in this book club can agree that when it's over you They can't wait to get to the end. And then once it's over, you're sad, it's over and you miss the characters. I don't miss Asa. Aza. I'm the worst. You know, with this one, it was really funny because I had so much fun writing it that I ended it.

Then I wrote an epilogue. Then I wrote an epilogue to the epilogue. I think there ended up being like 10 to 12 epilogs for this because it was just fun. Everyone thought it was over and then I'd show up on Wapad a month later with another epilogue and so it kind of just kept going at the end and that's the story of it if like at the end you get a little confused because you're like wow this book just you think it's over and then another chapter's there that's because that's literally how it was being written people were finishing it and then a month later an epilogue would pop up and a month later it was really fun

that is fun are there celebrities that you picture when you do characters because i tend to do that when i read a book is i'm all of a sudden picturing this person As someone I either know in my life or somebody from TV or a celebrity or something, I don't know why I associate that maybe because I'm a visual person and I need to like see a face to go with it. But we, I don't know if you saw, but on Instagram we did a movie cast for the book. Have you ever thought about that? Of course you think about this now because your book has been being filmed to be into a movie. But do you think about celebrities when you create them?

And if you didn't before, do you do now thinking like this could be a movie? you know it's very hard for me to picture people as I'm writing I'm not a visual person at all and so their their faces are all blurs to me and it becomes very apparent how much I don't know what they look like when it goes in the editing round because my editor will be like what color hair does this person have what color eyes does this person have like like because I just yeah I describe nothing like I want I want readers to kind of put themselves in in the character's shoes and make them look like how they want them to look. So I don't put faces to my characters,

but it's always really fun when it's over and the book is out there to see everyone's interpretations. Zach Efron, I believe I picture in most books when I read. Yes, same. Same. Yeah. That's so interesting. 2010, Zach Ephron, I don't know. I just, I don't, I'm not a visual person.

So that's interesting. I can't recognize people in real life. So maybe that has something to do with it. But I also like that because it does give the reader the chance that if you are a visual person, you can kind of dictate what they look like in your brain. And then I feel like once I read like the first chapter, I already know in my head what these characters look like, like what their outfits are, what they're wearing.

And I know that was a big hoopla. I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it with the movie that it. I was like, it starts with us. it ends with that it ends with us but like when when that came out with uh people behind the scenes showing what lily was wearing or something and everyone was like she wouldn't wear that i know i'm like i literally don't think i described one single outfit in that book of what lily was wearing i'm like i don't know what lily would wear but but it just goes to show it's just fun like i you know everyone was like getting so upset you know about people getting upset about it and i'm like

I like that people are so into it and passionate and like a book enough to care what she's wearing. So I just saw it as a good thing. It is a good thing. And it's also not on you because you didn't ever say what they were wearing. So it's not like you chose the wardrobe. You're like, blame wardrobe, not me. Also, it's Blake Lively. She looks good than anything.

Like, literally you could put a trash bag on her and she would. I agree. You could put Taylor Swift on her arm at a football game and she will look. I'm like, are we done talking about that yet? Okay. So in the book, Sloan and Luke did that cute little random writing thing. My producer, Alicia, who's here and I, we were doing that earlier because we're like, that's such a specific thing. Like that's what blows my mind too about authors, how you can just be so specific. And like, maybe you're not visual, but your pen must just go sometimes. And I'm like, was that inspired from something? Because it's so specific. And we were trying to do it at the dinner table earlier. What did you say, Alicia? The black cat ate a toaster struddle and he had a terrible day. The black cat ate a toaster struddle had terrible day. And I said the rubber duck fell out of a tree and ate a dog.

And then I was like, it was dark. But like, is that something specific or how did you come up with that concept? I honestly don't even remember a lot of times writing for me is kind of like watching a movie. Like I feel like I'm just watching a movie and dictating what's happening. And so when things like that happen, I'm like, oh, that's fun. Oh, I like that part. You know, and then sometimes I have the opposite problem and everything sucks and I throw it all out. So, you know, sometimes things work.

But no, that's actually not anything I ever did growing up or pulled from anywhere. I do pull a lot of things in my books from, you know, like just real life moments. But that was not one of them. That was just a specific to those two characters. I want to know when you go out for dinner or you're on a walk, like is your brain just constantly pulling things from every scenario? to be like, I should write about this? Yeah, I think, you know, the most common question I think writers get is where do you get your inspiration?

But for me, it's like, how do you turn your inspiration off? Because I constantly live inside my head. It's hard for me to pay attention to the world around me. And then when I am, like at dinner with my husband or something, I'm completely eavesdropping on the table next to me trying to like, what's their story and inventing one in my head? And yeah, it's constant. Like, I can just see someone walking down the street. I'm just like, what's their life? broke their heart like yeah i do that when i'm in new york city it just feels like you can see right

into somebody else's world in their homes and i'm like how did you get what turns did you take in life to get there and i come up with a whole scenario on my head of like why they are what they do what their name is and it's it's a fun little game so i feel like you probably you're right you can't shut that off that would be that's probably a lot but um makes for great reading for us so thank you um also at the end of the book you decided to name the baby Dalton, and I want to know if there's any reasoning behind that. Wasn't that his best friend's name? Was it?

Oh, it was? Wait, who's... Oh, right. Luke's best friend. Well, because he doesn't go by that in the book. They have their, like... Right, right. Right.

I'm almost, like, don't get me to lie, y'all. It's been a long time since I've been inside this book. But I just feel like I remember Luke wanted to name it after his best friend. Well, I don't know why I blanked on that until you just said. it, but yes. And also, I wanted to know why the choice to not give the details of the paternity test. I just felt like it was sweet that he didn't care if it was his or not, but there's actually like a hidden chapter somewhere online that solves that. It's not, I don't think it's in the, it's not in the book. No. Yeah, I think I just wrote it in my Facebook

group. Actually, you know what happened? There was a reader who messaged me and she, she just message me at the right time because I was sitting at my desk. And this was several years ago. And she was like, I need an answer. I need to know what happens. And I was like, okay. And so in the private messenger, I just messaged her a little paragraph and reended it for her. And then like a couple of years after that, she brought it up in cohorts and posted it in there. And so it was really something I just wrote for one reader because she said she wanted it. And then, but now it's in my cohort group if you want to search it. Yeah, we definitely want to search it. Yeah, I'll try to pop it up so it'll be at the top of that group. Yes, please. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, can we hang

up now? I got to go figure this one out. Just kidding. I've been thinking about it since I finished reading. I'm like, come on. My thought is that it actually is, God, I'll never be, I'll never say his name right. Asa. What is it? It's Asa. You're right. Asa. Yeah. I feel like it is, but I love thinking that he's that sweet that it doesn't matter so i'll i'll wait i'll pull it up um hey i don't know how to pronounce my name so we're good wait what like i every time i talk to a human it's i say my name differently oh i thought you know if it's Colleen or Colleen I thought you think I said you don't know how to say my name yes and I was like well love it you freaked out though wait how do you pronounce your name it depends on who I'm talking to I don't know so my mom

to me coline and i said that for the first 15 years of my life and then i met my husband when i'm 16 and he says calling and i just hear that all day and so i started saying calling especially on the phone at work because no one could understand me when i said coline yeah and that stuck but like if i'm talking to my mom or my sisters or anyone that says coline and i say my name it's coline but then i notice when i introduce myself i say calling so i don't know yeah so i don't know yeah so i I don't know. That's fun. You have two names.

I think for a lot of people like, I'm not going to say her name, but somebody I know couldn't read the book because it was too much of like too close to home. So how did you navigate writing and what challenges did you face while writing a book kind of like this one? You know, it was really interesting the way this one was written live. And so I really got into some deep discussions with readers. We really had a lot of really good discussions on, on like what consent meant to them. And, you know, there were a lot of triggers in this book. And so it was really very interesting. I think that was definitely hard at times, you know, to write some of the scenes that I wrote.

It's a very dark book. And, yeah, and being in some of the scenes. side ice his head sometimes. I was like, my gosh, are there people out there that really think like he thinks? And sadly, there are. But yeah, I think that with every book, there are definitely moments where I'm like, oh, that's not fun, but it's part of the story. And I continue to write what the characters want me to write. So that's cool that you can end up having pretty intimate discussions with readers and people who do, you know, put so much into reading your stories. Like, I feel like that's cool. You can have conversations with them along the way.

My favorite thing can do. Yeah, with every book that I write, I start a discussion group. And then as soon as beta readers start getting it in readers, I create a discussion group on Facebook for that book. So every book I've written has a Facebook discussion group. And for a solid month after the book releases, I go in there and answer questions and we discussed the book and then I kind of have to remove myself after about a month or I'll just stay in the groups forever

answer questions. And usually after about a month I get most of the questions that are going to be asked or asked so you can go in and search every book that I've written and search the discussions back when a book released. It's one of my favorite things to do. It's just fun, you know,

like I've put so much of my time pretty much a solid year to each of these books. And so then getting to release it and not just be done with it. And then to have that conversation with the readers is one of my favorite parts of releasing. That actually, I will go back and look up that. I would love to read the discussions that come from that because I feel like every book I've read, especially yours, I'm so biased to your books. It's crazy. It's so, it's actually embarrassing. But I'm like, I get so into them that I would love to read other people. people's thoughts and like how you know how with music a song can be like certain lyrics but it can

mean so many different things to to different people i feel like that's storytelling and that happens from books too and it would just be fascinating to hear everybody's discussion on these certain books no it is it really is like especially the people who you think when you write this write a book that you know how people are going to react to it and that you know what people are going to think about the characters and I'm always blown away that there are so many different views and opinions. And even with too late, I'm like, oh, everyone's going to hate Asa. He is not a book boyfriend. There's a few people out there that call him their book boyfriend. And I'm like, no. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really interesting seeing all the different opinions that come

afterward. I mean, there's a lot of different characters out there. You've, out of all the books, I mean, I know there's the summer one is being made into a movie, but what book would you choose to be made into a movie besides that one? Definitely Verity. I really want to see that on the screen. Amazon actually has that one and is working on a script. I don't know where they are in the movie making process. I need to reach out to them. They try to update me, but I'm one of those people who's like, I don't want an update until it's done.

I get that. I get that. That would be incredible. I just don't like getting my hopes up, yeah. But that's the one I definitely want to see. Do you have ideas in your head of who you'd want to play those characters? I've always envisioned Parker Young in the role of Jeremy. He's more of a comedic actor, but I just feel like he would be really fun to watch in something dark.

And I don't know about the girls. I really don't. Like I said, I could be Verity. I'll just lay there under the sheets. you could probably do very well in that I think I would nail that part of Can you keep a straight face for a while? Actually, no, I'd be terrible at the roll of Verity

I'd just be like like when she pees her pants I'd be like, oh my God that's if that book becomes a movie I will lose my noodle do you think you will write more books like Verity like the dark side of things Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to come up. It's very hard. I'm not going to lie. Like, to me, too late, released eight, nine years ago. It's not a new release to me. And I know it is released to a lot of people. But so for me, like, I still need that book that's going to follow up very, you know, like the darker thriller kind of. And I'm being very picky. Like when I get an idea and I just, nothing has stuck yet. But I'm working on, I'm working on it.

good i don't know if i just have um a closed mind when it comes to other books but nothing does it for me the way that your books do it for me and it's what oh what's the one i have by my bedside that i'm about to start even if we're not picking it for the next book club did you see it's letters something about letters my book yes it's yours um oh is it regretting you because there's letters a torn up letter on the cover yes yes i'm about to read that i think that's the only one i like have not read, but otherwise I'm just, I'm obsessed. You are brilliant. You're so fun to talk to. We love having you here for the book club meeting. I just think it's so cool. Like, I try and think of guests to have on for, you know, different conversations for, like, I've been experiencing, like,

misogyny, so I want to have an expert on. I have this and I want to have an expert on. I want to this show. I watch this show. So I want to have this person on. But with reading, I'm like, guys, we have Colleen Hoover, Colleen Hoover on our book meeting. So I just want to say thank you from all of us for being here and for answering these questions and for sharing your gift of writing with all of us and where people, like, where can they find your Facebook group and you on Instagram and all the things to keep up with what you're doing? Pretty much everything's my name. I'm really good. And when a new app comes up, I steal my name, like from very early on.

Yeah. But, yeah, Facebook, I have a group on there that I'm very active in. It's just Colleen Hoover's cohorts. But be careful because there's some copycats groups out there. This one has about 200,000 members. So make sure you check the member number. But, yeah, and Colleen Hoover everywhere else or Colleen Hoover. I might call you Colleen now because I feel like we're friends.

So thank you. Thank you. And you, I just bow down to your. your work and who you are and everybody in the big book guys group chat says thank you and that was so much for reading such a treat to have you on never stop doing what you're doing please oh my gosh there's so many people saying thank you saying you got them into reading so yes thank you yeah i've been seeing the comments come up everyone's so sweet thank y'all so much y'all made my night oh well you made ours truly thank you so much well we'll probably pick one

of your books again in the future and maybe we'll be able to one day do this in person oh my gosh that would be fun i'll come to you you just tell me but be somewhere fun okay fine you tell me where to go we'll all be there okay thank you so much all right bye guys bye so the next book for the big book guys book club is there's some drum rolls happening i know i see them drum rolling the housemaid Oh, yay, we got so excited people. Okay, I see a... Oh, oh my gosh, we've got a fist pumper. We got a few fist pumper.

And we got a few people that are like, fucking sick, Caitlin. We've never heard of it. I'm telling you, my girlfriend read this right after she read too late. And I said, how do you go from that? And she goes, I was sucked right back into this book and finished it in three days. Thank you, thank you for everybody who is part of the book club and came to hang out tonight. I was so excited to bring in Colleen Hoover for you guys because I knew that would mean so much and I just love this every little thing like I always get sappy at the end of these like

if I do a live podcast if I do a big wine guy zoom if I do like anything of you're having one the big wine guy zoom is going to be lit spooky Friday Friday the 13th we've got Katie Maloney we're doing tarot card reading I've got a medium coming on she's going to read people it's going to be incredible so it's if you are part of the big wine guy club get excited If you're not, join. I mean, I don't. What you're doing? If you don't drink, please don't get in the wine club.

I don't want to push alcohol on anybody. But if you enjoy wine, wine ships to your house, you get so many perks of being in the wine club. And we do these fun hangouts like this. And we have special guests that come on. And I'm really excited to have a medium and Katie Maloney. That's how I like got this job. That's how Alicia got this job. She was a big wine guy and she's literally wearing a big wine guy sweater.

Yeah. I'm so on brand. my right-hand woman and a confidant and friend and podcast producer. Good night, Bailens. Thank you for coming. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. And if I'm being honest, I wouldn't mind a rating in a movie. crime on Pluto TV. Unravel the mysteries with forensic files and 48 hours.

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