Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Brett Kissel | Bulls, Ballads & Belly Laughs!

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

#867. When Kaitlyn Bristowe sits down with Canadian country music icon Brett Kissel, you know you’re in for a mix of belly laughs, heartfelt moments, and maybe even a little singing. Brett takes Kaitlyn back to where it all started — writing his first song at just 7 years old — and shares how that early passion shaped his new album, Let Your Horses Run.They dive deep into the world of country music songwriting, swapping stories about the creative process and unpacking the emotional backstory behind his new track “Rich Is,” a moment so powerful it brings Kaitlyn to tears. But it’s not all serious — there’s plenty of laughter as they use ChatGPT to roast Brett’s life, swap Canadian slang, and relive his wild ride on a bull for his latest music video (that he almost made 8 seconds!).It’s part heartfelt storytelling, part hilarious catch-up between two buddies — and all the reason you need to hit play.If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Quince: Go to QUINCE.com/vine to get free shipping and 365-day returns.Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering my listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VINE.Apartments.com: The Place to find a place!Lady World: Come Join me for a fun weekend! Get your tickets now at LadyWorld.COEPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (10:55) Brett shares how he started songwriting at just 7 years old — and even sings a little of his very first song.(14:32) The emotional backstory behind “Rich Is” from his new album Let Your Horses Run — Brett walks Kaitlyn through the lyrics, and she can’t hold back tears.(32:51) The wild story of riding a bull for his latest music video — how close he came to 8 seconds, and whether he’d do it again.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It truly means the world to me. Thank you. Now, let's get into it. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. We have Canadian country legend turned somewhat American. I mean, you've really, yeah.

Rewrite that. You are so wrong. I'm not a legend. Man, myth. You're full of shit. And this is basically what the podcast was. It was us doing inside jokes that you would only get if you're from Alberta and talking about music and hockey.

I haven't had this much fun in a conversation, maybe ever. Oh, maybe ever. We did give it a lot. We do. Well, it's, we're cut from the same cloth. I love it. And C's here. Hey, Mama.

Just a bass of Guinness on a. And why not? What day is it? Well, tomorrow's Tuesday. It's a Monday. Oh, okay. Oh, God. We're on a Monday.

Even better. It's a giant Guinness on a Monday. Yeah. And you get the Guinness dash? Yeah, I'm feeling the vibes. Okay, so have you ever drank a Guinness in Ireland? No, I've never been to Ireland. You haven't.

Not yet, no. Okay. Well, you must go and you must drink. You can drink unlimited amounts and feel fine. I'm all about doing the things that are famous in the places. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, Scotch tastes better in Scotland. And I don't know, like, Ukrainian food tastes better when you're surrounded by, like,

when a Baba makes it. You know what I mean? It's true, though. That to me. So having a Guinness in Ireland, as well as having a, I really like red breast Irish whiskey. Oh, yep. Yep.

And my buddy, Steve Cody, who signed me to my record deal. He has a double Jamison's on the Rocks guy all his life. Yeah. All the Irish things. I also love Jameson. Yeah, I feel like I too like to do that. Like people come to nationally, you got to try the hot chicken. Mm-hmm.

You got to get really drunk on Broadway. Yeah, you have to. It's a prerequisite. You go to Montreal. You're not going to not eat Putin. Oh, I thought you're saying you're not. I'm not going to not go to a strip club. They are no.

I feel like anyone that lives on the east coast of the states, when they were 18, they would drive up to Montreal. I'll go to Montreal. And go to the strippers. Your song you sent me. I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it. You can't talk about it. You should be so proud of it because the way the cadence of the song and every line goes

into the next one. Yeah. Like that. That's a wonderful trick. And did you like my little circle back into my last song? My love. Absolutely honest. Yeah.

If I'm being honest. I caught that immediately. and it's um and when you go to the falsetto in the chorus that's very difficult to do oh and i love flipping my voice like that i find it easier to do that well you're that's very rare oh because many people can't do it if i do it's a yodel yodel yodel like that's the only way you can do it that's you sent me the best voice message i was listening to it my dad was with me and my dad was like that's so nice of him that he'll just send you a three minute voice now because that's your profession that would be like somebody asked

me, if I'd been podcasting since I was 12, and somebody was like, hey, could you listen to this podcast and give me feedback? I'd be like, well, you could do that on podcasting. You could do that on dancing. Anything entertaining. Like, you're, you're a performer. You're a natural performer. But it was, your feedback was so helpful. But also, I couldn't go back into the studio. Well, next time, next time you're doing a song, because I believe that you should do an EP. I believe you should do an EP. I believe that you should have a tour. And I believe that you you should do, you know, eight or ten specific shows across Canada that is half podcast and then a show or show than a podcast, I believe it would sell it everywhere, as it always

does, have a, have a band and just do your six songs, sell your EP, you'll get your gold record and when you're female artists of the year and I need new goals for my 40th century. Whoa, that's crazy. I need new goals. You're the 40th decade, like your fourth decade on, on your 40th century would mean just like Four times a 40 times 100. So it would be like you've been around for 4,000 years. Which, no, we all have been.

If you believe in past lives, like you. I am definitely on my last life. You, why? You're on your last life? Which I feel better. I don't know. I think you've got more lessons to learn. I believe that I have, we always will.

Yeah. But have you met a soul that you're like, they've learned all the lessons? No. Uh, well, there's a few. The ascended the masters of life. Oh, that's true. Gandhi, maybe Mother Teresa. Nelson Mandela, like there are certain people who have mastered energy and emotion to the

highest level that those ones would be. But because of the great life that you've lived, it's because you've learned so many lessons in the past. This is my belief. No, I agree. But you are without a doubt maybe on your last few. Yeah. I'm going to come back as Gandhi one day.

Yeah. I still got a couple. That's true. Okay. Good point. I still do have lessons to learn. That's for sure. apparently my life lesson this go around is to let go and I'm like I can't it's so hard to let go

I can't it's it's and it's and it's not just you and it's not just a male female thing either it's very very difficult to let go yeah especially it's probably a lot of people's life lesson it's what do you think yours is letting go and and and surrendering yeah so it's all in the same category letting go surrender acceptance and unconditional acceptance yeah like you can you can hate somebody for something that they've done to you, or did you allow them to do it to you? Or you can hate the experience that you're having, or was it a necessary experience because you're here to learn these lessons?

Like if you actually look at yourself, if you think about yourself in third person. And zoom out. I love zooming out. Yeah. And look at the snow globe and say, oh, I get it. That's why I'm experiencing this. Or that's why I've not achieved this yet.

or that's why I'm not meant to have had that happen to me. Yeah. I do believe that. I agree with you. And I think my problem is it just takes me a while, but I do get there. Like, I now am in a place where I'm looking back on like a few years ago and going, oh. It's so difficult to see it in the moment. And, you know, I've actually tried to write songs about it.

But a lot of human nature and culture of country music right now is not necessarily ready for an entire album's word. or a single that talks about something from such a higher perspective. True. And I'm not saying that I'm above or this artist is above where everybody's at, but drinking beer and having a good time on a Friday night just never goes out of style. So I find myself sitting in songwriting rooms and writing songs about this moment in life and understanding that that just ain't going to sell. So when I heard you sing your song that you sent to me the other day,

I loved it because it was so real, it was raw, it was honest, it was well crafted. And I'm thinking, okay, you've done it. You've cracked the code. You are about to release a song that is extraordinary. So I want to compliment you. Oh, I just got chills because I think I'm in a fortunate position where I'm not like, like, I'm kind of doing this for fun. Yeah.

Like writing music and putting it out there, I'm not like, it's not my career. It's like a hobby and a fun thing for me to do. so I don't have to like fit a mold or have any certain perspective or songwriting style. I can be like, yeah, sure, a ballad with piano and like, I don't, they don't play like ballads on piano, do they? I mean, sorry, on piano, yes, on the radio. Well, if you're Rihanna and like, uh, uh, I want you to stay. Oh, yeah. That was epic or, um, Adele.

Hello. Oh, like that's, that's all you need is Adele and at a piano, right? Yeah. True. Um, but I'm not Adela or Randall. Morgan Wallen, you know, and but now I'm running pothos and my sunburned silver ato. Like, that's a piano ballad. So every year, every year there's a big piano ballad.

Are they popular? No. Right. But every year. This could be 2025 could be the year. Yes. It will be. And you should.

Like, absolutely. I just think I really like writing songs where I'm like, I know I'm not the only person that has felt this way. And then other people are going to roll. relate to it. And it was crazy because the girl I wrote with, she, I didn't even know she had been in a situation. Yeah. Where she felt this certain way for so long and I didn't know. And then she was like, it got emotional. Yeah. And then I got emotional. And then I was like, wow, I really hope when people listen to it, if they are getting that emotional, it's because they're like on the other side

of it. Yeah. And they can look back and be like, I was there. Oh, I got out. Or if you're in it and you're listening to it, sobbing me like, shit, it's me. That's one of the hardest things about music in general that I've found, as I've become a lot more in touch with my emotions, is how I have this, either this release and relief or the dagger to my heart when I hear the lyric to the song that talks about exactly what I'm going through or exactly what I've been through. And so that is the best part about it. And I know that you released your last one kind of more in a pop realm. And pop still tells great stories, but I'm going to, I'm going to tip my hat to country music, it is like the last genre that tells these stories of either

triumph or heartbreak or everything in between and, and it'll get you. Yeah, yeah. And nobody's safe. Yeah. And nobody's safe. And that's what I just absolutely, like, I don't know if I could swear on the podcast, but I just like love about country music. I do too.

With all my heart. That's my dad who, again, just spent so many days with that's all we listen to when we're together and not new country really old country like who are his favorites oh um who are you listening to okay i'm going to tell you have as the kids say did he have the ox does he have the ox like i don't even know what the kids are saying dogcillary he had he you know that what it is and it's like oh can i ox for a minute we were really like in keith whitley yeah no stranger to the rain i'm no stranger to the rain it's so good i'm a friend of thunder and is it any wonder latin strikes me like holy smokes oh it's so good um and then we just put on outlaw country station and just

jammed out to that and we played a few um he said the same thing to me he goes there's just nothing like the storytelling in country music he goes that's why i will always love it and you just said it i mean you've been writing songs since you were 12 yeah that's when you wrote your first and it was a shitty song well my first song actually wrote when i was seven years old what was it about it's called wasting time Oh. Well, because, like, I didn't, I didn't have a dog. What were you wasted time? I didn't do nothing.

Yeah, you were wasting time. If you ask me how I'm doing, I'll just say I'm fine. And if you ask me what I'm doing, I'm just wasting time. And it's like, terrible song. But I was seven years old. Like, what the hell else, right? But 12, I was like actually getting into writing songs by 16, kind of like a Taylor Swift kind of deal.

Like 16, I'm writing songs a lot. And then you're probably writing about songs that are so beyond your years of like heartbreak? Yeah. Just from listening to other music. It was hard because you, I don't know if you can become the writer that we all want to become unless you have life experience. Right.

Like you can't. Like the writer and the artist and the singer that I am now, like there's, there's some layers here. Yeah. Like there's some life and there's some scars on my heart, you know? Like you said, you've been getting more in touch with your emotions. I mean, Cisi, your wife is just like the most beautiful soul of all time. with she really is she's so special she is like on her 58th life that one yeah she's she's she's as close

to an ascended master as i i may ever meet i just imagine the older you get we naturally get you know wiser with age but being married you've been married for how long at 2011 we got married so we're coming up on 14 years wow and to someone like cecy who's so so deep and so raw and in touch with their feelings and then having be like having little girls and a family employs but like little girls first i feel like cracks you wide open oh it did it ever and then i just feel like it makes sense that your songwriting probably has evolved so much because you still write like your fun cowboy songs and those are always just such bangers and hits and then you write deeper stuff too there is there's there's a song that uh well actually i'll talk about like mine and cc's

relationship just just in a quick in a quick side note is like we are always in constant redirection or or renovation and I think that's what's wonderful about about a relationship is that over the course of 14 years which is a lot but maybe not a lot or maybe it is it doesn't matter but like in in those 14 years and in 17 years together like there we are not the same people that we were 14 years ago. You know, I was 19 when I asked her to marry me. Yeah. Like, like, what, what do you know at 19? But you figure it out as you go. So we're in constant state of, of always renovating and, and reestablishing ground rules and figuring out what works and what doesn't. And so I'm really proud of us that over time, we've done it through the ups and

the downs. Yeah. This is going to work or this ain't going to work anymore. Like, wherever we land, at least we have a really, really solid foundation, and we do it, like you said, for the kids. Whereas now, there's something much bigger than her and me. And that is Mila and Aria and Leo and Atlas, our four wonderful kids who love you so much. I'm obsessed with your children so much. And they were like, Dad, can we come and like actually like, maybe, but maybe not. Like they wanted, they wanted to come today. But they're so articulate and they're great storytellers. Like, we keep them out of the public now. We had a scare, which I'm not going to get into we keep them out of the public but i wrote a song as much for my kids it's on the new album

and as much for my kids as it is just this message about life and the song title is called rich is originally i was going to be i was going to call it that's wealth but i was able to put those two lines that's wealth in the second verse i wrote it with phil vassar and another songwriter that i'd never written with before named brett shiraki and phil has written more number ones and as more big hits than we could ever count. But he and I were talking about the true meaning of life. And he's in a different stage of life with his daughters, you know, being older and they've moved away. And the value of wealth isn't, obviously, your bank account.

It isn't a Rolex on your wrist. It isn't any of these things. It's about the love that you have in your home. So our chorus happens so quickly. It ain't the house on the hill. It's the love that's in it. It ain't this old Rolex. It's the minutes that you're given.

It ain't the name in the hood, that the car. of the car that you buy. It's the car seat concert that you get when you drive. It ain't the money that you make that makes the man. It ain't the gold in the bank. It's the gold on her hand.

It's a life full of kids with their love and their hugs and their kisses. My song sucks. That's what rich is. And so... Dude. What? I love that song.

It's my favorite song on the album. And the story talks about a guy who meets up with the rich guy at the airport bar. And that's when your dad is talking about story songs. Yeah. And the best part is the second verse where If Phil comes in, because Phil is, you know, I think he's 50 years old or 55 or whatever,

and he sings his second verse that says, you know, I saw a picture of him talking about me and his kids on his screen and I said, wow, so you've got four. Yeah, I've got two. They're down in Baton Rouge, but they don't talk to me no more, you know. I'm going to cry. And that's a pretty brunette you've got on your left. Yeah, I had one myself, but I was married to my job. And now she's married to someone else.

So what you got, man, that's wealth. And then you go back into the chorus. And that's country music. And so I cried in the session. I cried in the studio. Yeah. And I love that. And I love that.

And I love that you're in Nashville. And I love that you're surrounded by it. And you've had so many great artists on your couch talk about it. Like you are in the heart of the greatest storytelling city in the world. And I feel very lucky that we get to talk about it. And you give me a platform to talk about that song. Well, you just made me want to quit writing. No, don't you dare.

Don't you dare. Don't you dare because I'm telling you like, your song is great. KV. Like it's a great song. I mean, I need to remember like, Caitlin, you've only written three songs in your whole life. Brett's been doing this since he was seven. Hold on. You've only written three? You're full of shit. You've only written five. But you've only, I've only released two. You can't get to a song as good as this one if you've written that, that few. Now I'm angry. Because that's bullshit. That's bullshit. If I'm being honest, is a great song. And I would have thought that you would have written like everybody else.

in this town. You write 20, 40, 60, 80 songs and you pick your best one and then you release it. Like, I have to. I got to write 100 songs until I decide what my top 10 are going to be for the record. But that's, to me, that's amazing because I'm like, I have to just focus on one and then get the best of the best to come in and help me. Well, that's bullshit. You need to write more because you could write an album. You could write an album in a weekend if you're that prolific. I have another one on the back burner that's going right now. So, and that one's going to be incredible.

It's with Walker Hayes. And that's, so that's fun. Nice. Maybe that's what I will focus on in my 40s. I don't know. I'm laughing so hard thinking in my head because you, you're talking about this. What is the song called when you were seven? Rich is.

Or no, wasting time. I'm going back. Yeah. I've been laughing in my head ever since you said that because I rewrote a Billy Ray Cyrus song with my best friend Lindsay who passed in a car accident and I still I think I remember that song because it's like a core memory for me with her

and it was to the tune of achy, breaky heart. Okay. Can you give us a little bit? Yeah, of course. My ass is wet. It's breaking out and sweat. I just don't think you understand. I'm planting all these flowers for many,

many hours. My pants are coming down. You can see my crack. What? Right. Sun burn. But were you, so that's You're talking about, what, 92, 3, 7 years old, and he wrote that? Yes.

See? Well, it's just like mine, except yours is funnier. You're destined to be a comedian. That is literally, and I don't know how I remember that, but I remember we were jumping on her trampoline and we were watching a man plant flowers who's sweating. And we came out with that. Well, you, yeah, if Mila and Aria and Leo are on, like, you've got to sing that for them. Because that's what they do.

They like to rewrite parodies. to my songs. Oh, do they? Oh, yeah. And they, I had a song with Cooper Allen called two of us and take that one last straw and put it in a glass. Too much work, work, and boss men can kiss my ass. And they love saying it because they know they can swear if it's in one of dad's songs. Right. Of course. They have to. So the song about what sweaty crack and shit like that. That's hilarious. And you remember at Forrest Gump? That was one of my first CDs. It was like a double CD. Like there was two CDs. The soundtrack to Forrest Gump. I remember that one song. It was just instrumental and it was like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

I don't remember it well anyways I wrote a whole song to that and I'd sing myself to sleep at night singing that song kids need to be bored nowadays oh because what a great way to spend an evening yeah is to come up with something creative and write a song to the instrumental of Forrest Gump whereas now kids are on an iPad yeah and then once they're basically 10 they're on Snapchat which is bullshit. Crazy. And I think boredom is great for a kid. I experienced it.

Clearly you did too. You're listening to a force gun. Well, that's what happens when we grew up where we did. Like whatever it was, whatever the melody was. Did you write yourself a song? We need more of that. I know. I always think to him like, well, we grew up in these small like little prairie towns in Alberta.

I wonder if that has anything to do with it or if it is just the generation. It's a generational thing. Like there's cultural stuff that you and I have growing up in Alberta without a doubt. But then there's a lot of other things that, you know, we're unique to kids who grew up in in the 80s and the 90s. There are kids who grew up in Vancouver, kids who grew up in Nashville. Right. In the 80s and the 90s.

All that being said is like we did a big purge recently with like toys. Just got rid of so much shit. We really, really did. Our four kids have now experienced the same toy that I did as a kid. and it's a stick. I was going to guess a wooden horse, but yes. And like a stick can be a weapon.

A stick is the ultimate thing. It can be a walking stick. It's a gun. You can hit other trees and knock shit down. You can protect yourself from the bears in the woods. You can be a karate kid. You can do whatever you want if you have a stick. And now my kids are collecting sticks.

I'm like, I love it. They have such a cool childhood. Like, you know, they don't get, well, I don't, there's no shame in giving a kid a screen because if that's the last case, scenario. It's last case scenario, but there are kids who are on screens at 24-7. And I'm not about it. Right.

I don't want to judge the experience, but that's not for us. But I will say that you guys, I've seen it, do such a good job with your kids having, well, you guys, you guys have a pony named Tony and you get chickens. No, Tony's gone. Oh, he's got too bitey. Yeah. He liked to bite too many people. And he, for he bit the last kid.

Nobody wants a bite her, yeah. We've been all four kids. Finally, when you got four-for-four as see-y-at-tony. Although, C.C., she's such an entrepreneur. She bought Tony for $150 on Facebook. Okay. We should have known. Like, if you're buying a pony for $150 bucks, like, how good is he going to be? Right.

$150 bucks? So she put them on on Instagram. Like, hey, you know what? We got to rehome Tony. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Some chicks, like, I'll give you $1,500 for it. Profit? Cici's like, okay.

I'll be there tomorrow. So, like, Cici's making money just wheeling and dealing ponies. Yeah. That's amazing. Wait, not ponies, but let's talk. about a bull the bull the video the cowboys and dreamers what the hell yeah just i don't know just got on a bull you you were like i'm just why it well i've always wanted to straight up you did grow up like like on a ranch yeah like we're we're you're you're not like a fake cowboy well

there's there's different levels to it so if you talk to a real cowboy if you had like an actual like cowboy cowboy is sitting here like he would look at me and be like you're you're not real but i i i i am a rancher like you know we still own cattle. I still, I bought the farm from, from me on grandpa. Like, we're, we're in it. Yeah. That being said, there's a different level of cowboying that I experienced a good friend of mine, Morgan Cliber, who you need to meet. She's an exceptional artist. She's more cowboy than I'll ever be. Really? So I went to her ranch for a branding a couple of weeks ago. And she's in there on the horse. Branding. Ropes the calf. Then I'm there giving it a UFC arm bar holding it down.

and the other cowboys come and give it a brand and you castrate the calf and a couple, you know, shots of vaccination and let him go back to mom. And then she goes and she ropes another calf, drags it in. You hold it down. You brand like it's a culturally significant event that is the Wild West that they just don't do anymore.

Help me not cry over that. It is way better than you think. I couldn't even handle. I will never go to a rodeo again. And I knew this was going to be controversial. And I know that you're like probably, the other side of it but I was so I found it so hard to watch and I was like I don't want to be here and I get that there's like it's like a thing yeah but I'm like maybe you could help me

understand where I don't I'll I'll try to okay so the big thing is about honoring tradition and honoring the way of life of the cowboy and the cowgirl so especially out in the West everything that we've done and and I can't remember if you're if you eat steak or if you don't eat steak or what have you but when when you're raising these animals yeah in order to to take care of them in the best possible way. You have to rope them in order to give them medicine, or you have to rope them to give them a tag because back in the old days, the other farmer from across the prairies might steal them if you don't brand your cattle.

If you don't brand your cattle that says 7J or B reverse K or 2 reverse K or LK, to me, these are my cattle. I own them. If you don't do that, then they'll be stolen. And then the way of life of the cowboy is gone. You don't make your money. So it's a commodity. So it's an animal in which you're selling.

However, in the rodeo, riding on a wild bronch or riding on a bull was truly just for sport. So you need to understand that every single one of these, well, it kind of wasn't, wasn't. Like bulls was just for sport. But you'd have to break a horse. You'd find a wild horse in the mountains. So you'd rope it. You'd bring it home to the ranch. And you'd ride it, ride it, ride it, ride it, right it, ride it until it becomes tame.

And now it's your horse. And now you have this wonderful relationship of taming. the horse, which is a beautiful thing. Do you know they eat horse in Canada? I know they eat horse. They eat horse all over the place. Oh. Which is just a very interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, I can't get, I'm like, I'll eat a cow, but a horse too much. Anyways. But when you're talking about calf roping, that's the one that looks like it could have some pain for the calf. You got the cowboy there, ropes the calf, the calf gets jerk back, you roll them and you tighten them.

Well, that's actually what you have to do in order to brand the calf. I get that. So you're doing that in real life. However, in the sport of rodeos, who can do it the fastest? But that calf is not hurt, is totally fine. It goes back to mom and lives a great life until you have to shoot them and then eat them. So that's the reality. I know.

But the thing, okay, I can understand the thought process around like that's what you had to do. But then I get sad that it's for like an arena's entertainment. Well, here's the thing. Okay. Those horses are treated better. Oh, my God. So those horses are sometimes $300,000 horses. They are treated.

They have a vet. They have everything. That horse is worth more than some people's houses. That horse bucks for eight seconds and goes and eats dandelions and has a dedicated sport medicine, freaking horse psychologist. So the reality is here. It is for entertainment. And that horse is bred to buck that cowboy. And that bull is bred to buck that cowboy off.

finish off the cowboy. So like the cowboy is in for the risk. It's almost sort of like it's like, oh, I feel bad for the bull. Don't feel bad for the bull. Feel bad for the cowboy. Like he's, he is seconds away from death here. So all that being said, the sport of rodeo, I hope it lasts forever. I don't know if it's going to last 100 years. I hope it does. The way the world is and the way that things change, I don't know if it will. I hope it does. But it's only the vegans I respect. because the vegans don't wear leather they don't eat nothing they won't eat an egg from a damn chicken yeah yeah it's the vegans i respect the most if anybody else really belly aches about it but has a louis Vuitton leather purse and a leather jacket and eats a steak dinner in the sweet

while watching the rodeo then like you can't sorry kately you're one of my dearest friends you can't problem it me sorry no that's why i was having such confusing feelings about But the vegans. I respect the vegans. I respect the vegans too. Because I'm like, that's why I was like, I feel so terrible. I can't watch it. And then I go home and probably ordered five guys.

Yeah. And those big ranchers, those big California ranches with 50,000 head of cows. I have to say, I don't know if that cow's got a good quality of life. I know the cow on my ranch is a good quality of life. I'm telling you what, I did a lot of research when I got home. So everything you're saying, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I get that. And I don't know your, your, your, your, your, your demographics. graphic on off the vine and stuff like that.

Maybe I just came across as a true hillbilly redneck. I tried to be as diplomatic as possible. Well, someone said something to me that really cut like a knife, but I think that's why they said it because they knew it. They're like, how could you rescue two dogs and then pay to watch animal cruelty? And I was like, I got the tickets for free. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, I get it.

But you know what? All I would ask is whoever made that comment on social media or sent you that that message. Are you a vegan? If you're really going to, if you're going to say that, then you have to look at everything. Well, you better not eat five cent candies because there's gelatin in it that comes from a There's that. You have to be very honest.

There's animal cruelty, but you've got to be thinking about the hoodie that you're wearing because if you got it for a super good deal at eight bucks from Timu, who made it? Who made it, sweetheart? So you can't be half pregnant here. Yeah. If you're going to believe in every, in one thing. I recommend and I encourage you to believe in it all. No, I love that.

I think that's a great perspective and I think that's very fair and very valid. And my last question is, how long did you last on the bowl? I almost made eight seconds and I'm mad that I didn't make eight seconds. Oh, you got to do it again now. I'd love to do it again. Have you ever seen the movie eight seconds? Oh, what a, what a movie. Isn't that?

I love when tough heat him in, when he got on the back of that bowl. I love that he wrote for 20 seconds. Yeah. And basically said, fuck you. Yeah. And he said, I'm, that was, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's, it's a emotional. And that's the cowboy spirit. I love that. Okay. I did. I remember watching a movie with a guy I dated from Wetascoen. You know, as the summer winds on down, I'm always thinking about

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bruised ego? I felt really good. Oh, good. I was so, I was so laser focused. That's a high risk, high reward video there. I got lucky. So how it went is I was singing in the, in the rodeo arena at the Prescott Ranch out by Strathmore, Alberta. And so his family essentially set up a whole bunch of great cowboys came out. So, so many, too many to list, but some some great, you know, Canadian champions. Brock Radford was there.

Ashton, Sully was there and a whole bunch of others. And so they were all bucking in the. background. So I'm singing in front of the camera like this. Yeah, that was great. Your head was on a swivel. Remember I said it on your Instagram? And the craziest thing is that my director, I was looking at Kim and my buddy Keene and Vine and they couldn't talk to me, but they would only point either run right or run left. Those are only things. And keep singing. And if they don't point, you're good. You should have dress up as a clown. So I was thinking about it. But we had, we had great bullfighters there. Yeah, another guy in Brett Monet was there, Ty Prescott.

these guys are legends and towards the end of it all I was watching certain bowls I think they were probably 12 or 13 bowls nine of the 12 were rank they were ranked bulls and they were out to finish the job if they bucked off these cowboys they were they were ready to run you down the other four bulls two of them were kind of mean the other two were great bucking bulls but maybe older bulls or whatever once they buck you off they're looking for dandelions to eat so I'm like that's a bull I want to get on they're like we recommend it like we encourage recommend so i just put on the hockey helmet and like i put on ashton's uh cowboy boots they're different than mine like it because he had spurs and everything like that which are great for the grip on the

bull he gave me his glove and then this is the coolest thing so donnie johansen who is a legend he's won more belt buckles than you and i can count yeah he's taught all these Canadian champions how to ride bulls he's probably 70 or 75 years old and i'm like hey how do we do this and literally they looked at Donnie, who was there. Yeah. And they're like, just ask Donnie. And Donny's like, you really want to do this? I said, yeah.

He says, okay. He's like, you're going to hang on tight. I'm like, okay, well, that's a given. He says, but you need to make sure that your elbow can go up and down so it's like a shock absorber. If you keep it tight, said that bull's going to rip your arm out of your socket. Oh, God. Oh, okay. So this is a real deal.

As a guitar player. So I'm like, but I've already committed to doing this. And I don't want to be a pussy in front of everybody. You're like, I will ruin my. And the next thing is he says, make sure the pockets of your pants don't touch the back of the bull. He says, I want you to sit up on your hand like this. I want you to sit up on your hand like this. And basically he's like, like this.

Yeah, yeah. And so I'm hanging on. He's like, and he said, put your hand right between your nuts. And you're hanging on there. All right. And he says, look at the hump of the bull. Don't look anywhere else because the hump is going to tell you where he's going to go. You need to know if he's going to go right and look at the hump and you don't look at anything else.

And when you're ready, nod your head. Oh. my God. Okay. Are you ready, Donnie? He's like, yeah, I feel good. I'm like, okay. And then Were you so nervous? No, zero nervous. Which was strange. Zero nervous. You were like, this is where I'm supposed to be. I was just right in the slot and I just thought if I work myself up, there's going to be an issue. Listen to what he said. Hold on tight. Look at the, and then all I could hear is like, come on, Brett, come on, Brett. You got her bread. And everybody's like cheering as I'm just going in a circle, circle, circle, circle. And then he kind of stopped. So I just hopped off.

the bowl and then he bucked and he kind of yanked my arm it was sore for a bit but like I was so lucky oh my gosh yeah so lucky that was your adrenaline through the roof or were you little chilling it's through the roof right now okay thinking about it I wanted to do it I just wanted to get back up and I wanted to do it again that okay have you ever rode like a mechanical bowl yeah but that's that's different like the guys the guys who do it it's such a different experience like I yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't compare the two at all okay it's like playing on a fisher piano or a Steinway and Sons, it's like, this, this doesn't, you know. Yeah.

But that, that song, Cowboys and Dreamers, it's, it's out now. Thank you. And the video, yeah, the video is probably by the time this podcast there is the video will be out because it comes out a couple days. Oh, I was going to ask. Okay, so it comes out like soon. Yeah, we'll put it on the big screen. We'll watch it.

I'll show you the final cut. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to show it to you. I want to do a music video for mine, but I'm like, I just want a, all I want is a bed. Yeah. That's it with a guy just sleeping in it and me doing like contemporary, like really sad dancing around it.

Oh, that's really cool. Just dancing. No, but that's the simplicity of it, I think would be great. I think that'd be cool, right? Have you ever roasted yourself on chat, GPT? No. Perfect. Are you going to do that for me?

Yep. Okay. Are you? There we go. I feel like you would. I'm a good sport. Yeah. You couldn't hurt my feelings if you tried.

Yeah. It's for me so good. What? You did it already? Yeah. Is that quick? I just put roast Brett Kisle and it said, Oh, you want a roast?

All right, saddle up. Here comes a lighthearted roast. Oh, I don't, I want. Yeah, go, go right at R. You may as well. Okay, okay. Oh, you want it spicy? All right, let's turn up the heat on Brett Kistel.

Canada's answer to what if a country star was raised by Pinterest moms and polite apologies? My mom was not a Pinterest mom. It's, it's, she was. And I don't feel like the polite apologies is just because you're Canadian. Yeah, I get it. Okay. Brett Kissel is like a country music starter pack. Cowboy hat, check.

Fake Southern Twang, check. Mild emotional damage, check. Yeah. Bro, you're from Alberta, not Alabama. Drop the accent, not the guitar. He looks like the guy who sings at your wedding and hits on your grandma at the same time. But that's accurate, though. I was singing all the weddings and I always go for the seniors.

That's the way to do it. His jeans are so tight, they have to be surgically removed after each show. Um, like, bro, your circulation called, it's begging for mercy. Brett puts out more albums than emotions. Like, yeah, my dog died, my girl left, but here's a feel good anthem about a tractor and a bud light. That's like pigeonholing country artists. Yeah, it's, uh, chat GPT, I think, I think could do better.

He's got the swagger of a guy who just learned how to moonwalk on TikTok and will not stop. Okay, that's a good one. Brett is so polished. Even his scandals come with a PR statement. and a bible quote need it more personal want one with oilers references yeah brett kisle is the type of guy who'd show up late to his own concert because he was taking golden hour selfies with his cows okay that's that's a great line i like that one not even his cows just some random ones he met on a walk for context okay now that's a good line that's a good roast he calls himself a cowboy but

the only thing he's wrangled lately is a ring light and a well filtered instagram story that you can say, fuck you, I wrote a bowl. Yeah. So, Brett's out here dropping country love songs while wearing more makeup than a bride at a Saskatchewan one. You know, like with the Saskatchewan girls, eh? You got to paint them up. That's going to be only for Canadians.

Oh, my God. We see the bronzer. You're not fooling anyone. He's got the smile of a guy who definitely practiced it in the mirror 48 times before every meet and greet. Let's not forget that this man named. an album, what is life? Brett, sweetie, life is the thing that happens while you're auto tuning your twang and tagging brands in every photo. Good. This is awesome. And when he sings about

heartbreak, let's be honest. The last time Brett got dumped, he probably wrote a song. We had a TikTok, prayed about it, and then had a good cry in a leather jacket from Zara. How does you know I shop at Zara? That's funny. Everything about that was great. Aren't they like that? That was really good. I got worth to roast me on my podcast and everything he said I was just dying laughing I love that's actually for my 40th birthday I thought about having a roast for myself yeah but then I was like oh that's so much pressure for people but they can just go to chat GPT but the Saskatchewan wedding and the golden hour selfies with cows that are your cats deep is because and it's all okay okay is because my uncle Derek and my cousin

matthew yeah as well as my big brother jameson they know they just always love to they're the first people to comment on Instagram when I randomly come home for a while and I do like I'll I will take a selfie with the cow you will be like it's great to be home it's great to be around the cat I've like been so busy on the road and my brother's like yeah comes home for 20 minutes and has to tell them it's like those people in the gym like you could just go to the gym man you don't have to post it's like you really do crossfit if you don't post about doing crossfit so for me and I think a lot of my neighbors are also like Brett we haven't seen you we see you three times a year and you just put on dirty jeans just because it's like come on

it's for the content it's for the content that's so funny but it it's also funny because it's not like you grew up super boozy in like L.A you really did so it's like you can take it with the grain of salt I grew up pulling calves like all all my life like we're yeah you had 250 cows and we capped them out every March and it was the real deal you know that is the real deal okay last topic that I wanted to ask you about is falling back in love with songwriting. Yeah. Because you told us you're in love with songwriting again. And I didn't know that you fell out of love with it. Oh yeah. I hated it. When? When? When? For seven or eight years. For sure. When? Where? Why? Why? I stopped liking song probably around 2018. Okay. And I didn't start liking writing songs until, actually until I wrote

the song called Let Your Horses Run. I wrote that with Jesse Fraser here in Nashville. I wrote that in like 20, what, 20, 23 or early, 24. Yeah. And so I wrote songs because I knew that it was, it was, is an important thing. And I feel bad to a lot of my songwriting friends who obviously are fans of yours. And, you know, once I post about this, you know, probably listen. I think the reality, though, is that it's not that I ever gave them any bad product. Or I didn't put my all in the moment.

But I disliked the process of writing songs. I disliked the, the machine of writing songs. And I was just so uninspired. that if I had an idea, I would write it and get it off my chest, but I wasn't inspired to do it. Like, I wasn't this excited guy anymore to be like, I love this idea. I can't wait to see what it's going to become. And I don't know how it happened again. But over the last three months, I don't know.

I just had a couple of ideas. I'm like, this is really cool. And I texted my friend. I said, I really want to write this with you. Or I had a really, really country, country-ass idea. And I wrote it with my friends, Tim Nichols and a new guy Michael Tyler, who was like as country. Like he plays with Luke and wrote a bunch of songs for Luke. And I knew that it would be great for these guys.

And I wrote a song that I love that I'll play it for you too. The day you texted me your song, I was writing a song with Phil O'Donnell and Brad Ripple from High Valley. I know that you've got out with Brad. Yeah. Many times. Yeah. Both these guys are farmers. Yeah.

And they grew up on farms. And I had this song title called Next Generation. and it's all about passing down the farm to the next generation. Why do we do it? Why do we work hard and everything? So I'm just more inspired about the idea and pairing it up with the right people. And so we wrote a song called Next Generation, which makes me so proud. I'll probably put it on another album.

I don't know. But do you have a guitar here in the house? I do. Because if you do, I'll play it for you after the podcast and see what you think. I do. My dad said he tuned it because for, I can't remember if it was his birthday or Father's Day when I got him a guitar because he wanted to hit. My grandpa was an amazing musician.

Yeah. What was your grandpa's name? Bruce. Awesome. I know. Bruce Bristow. Yeah. I never got to.

I never got to meet him. You didn't, hey? No. When did he died before I was born? He died one, like, I think two years before I was born. Okay. And but I see my dad like talks about him all. They were so close.

And he was like a legit, like that was his job was a musician. Oh, really? He like had his own radio station. They played live music. He was a penis at a steakhouse. He traveled with the band. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He was really good. And so my dad, you could tell my dad has it in him. And then so my dad and then my mom, who's like a theater nerd and musical theater. So I'm like, I think I got a bit of a little bit of both. And then so my dad was like, I tuned your guitar in the, and I was like, oh, that's so cute. I'm curious if it's really tuned. Well, no, I'll, I'll give it a try. But you, you need even a couple branded guitars in the studio being that it's Nashville and just happy because you just never know when like, because you were manifesting like I know that you'd love to have jelly roll on the podcast. podcast. And I think he should. If I, if I ever run into him and I even get, you know, 30 seconds with the guy, I'll be like, listen. Jelly. Let me tell you. If you want your career to take off. Like, there's something like. Jelly meets off the vine. Exactly. Okay. We all know this feeling when your to do list is so long. You don't even know where to start. Oh, I feel like that right now, actually. Work appointments, catching up with friends, remembering to drink enough water. Life is nonstop. And if you throw apartment hunting into the mix, well, forget about it. It's forget about it. Just forget. about it. But that is where Apartments.com can come in handy. They take the stress out of finding your next home so you can actually enjoy the process instead of dreading it. So if you want to see if a place is a good fit, you can take a 3D virtual tour and get a real feel for the space without even having to leave your couch. And once you find a place you love, you can schedule a tour online and even apply with one click. So you're not stuck filling out endless paperwork for

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I know I said last thing, but I can't believe we haven't talked about the Oilers. But I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous for the last two games if we get there. This is the last two, isn't it? It is. So you leave tomorrow. Tomorrow morning of five, we fly to Fort Lauderdale. Southwest?

No, we're going to fly Delta because the Southwest is canceled. Sorry, not sorry, it's full. Oh, really? Because Delta, you have to take a layover. Yes, I know. I've got to take a layover in Atlanta. We're not going to tell Cecilia this, but her, one of her best friends, Chow, who, from Parish Jewelers, I know you know Chow really well.

Chow did my engagement rain in my life. I love Chow. So Chow and Matt are flying down to Florida and C.C. doesn't know. So we're just going to be at the hotel and we land an hour after they land and we're probably going to get to that. Like I organize tickets and hotel and everything like that. Oh my God. And so Chow and Matt are going to be there.

It's going to be great to see her. And Cici has no idea. I love surprise. You can never surprise Cici because she hates surprises. Oh, she does? But I love surprises. I love surprises. So I just love trying to figure things out.

Oh my gosh. So I'm excited about that, but I'm very nervous about the Oilers because we are so good. We are an incredible team. But would you argue that Florida is objectively the better team, but we want it more? I don't know if you can ever determine like who who wants it more. Our fan base wants it more. I don't give two flying fucks about the Florida fan base. And here's the reality.

Everybody in the NHEL and everybody says, oh, what a great atmosphere it is. No, it's not. You've got tens and tens and tens of fans that, tens and tens that will fly up to Edmonton, where you've got probably 4,000 people. They're going to fly. I saw Oilers jerseys everywhere in Florida.

It is absolutely ridiculous. So, and you get in the Uber and you get in the city, like nobody even knows that. No one knows that Florida has a hockey team. My Uber driver on the way there was like, what's tonight? Why is it? And I was like, what? Exactly.

It was crazy. Exactly. And the last time I went, last year I was at game seven for the Stanley Cup and they lost. Still, still upset about it. I know. And the fans were so mean to me. And I was like, you guys won. Why are you mean to me?

I don't know. But I will say this time around my dad and I were sitting next to you the most fabulous Florida fans. And it really, it really made my heart happy because one, I had a migraine. dying. That is too bad to be in all of that energy and all of that loud and the stress that you went through. Three nothing Florida and then a comeback and then overtime when they scored with 19 seconds left. I know. And the lady next to me had a f***ing cowbell with a migraine. And I was like, okay, so I was talking to like biz and this other guy, all these barstool guys. And they were like, come take shots. And I was like, that's how you know it's bad. My headache. So I went.

I had a six ounce glass of wine with my dad at dinner. And my dad's sober, 35 years. So I'm like, I'll have a, he's always like, have a glass of wine. So I had a six ounce glass of wine. And then I was like, I probably won't drink at the game. And then the guy, not that he would care, but then the guys from the barstool podcasters were like shots. And so between period one and two, I was like, I'll go up and have a drink with him, but I didn't feel good. As soon as that shot went down, I was like, this is like different sick.

Like I'm not, I'm not like, oh, it's a little headache. I was like, I'm not well. My migraines are the real deal. I get them, unfortunately, and they're just, they're the worst thing ever. And I get them frequently. Okay. It's horrific. I threw up from pain, which I have a puke phobia.

So that on top. I was crying in my hotel room floor, like shaking and like having an anxiety attack while puking. It was awful. What do you do for migraines? I just have a remedy of Advil and Tylenol. I'm going to take them both. Yeah. And then I have to sleep.

I have to sleep. How do you sleep with a migraine? What? you have to rest, try to turn your brain off and a cold cloth, like that I will put in the freezer. Yeah, I try that. And I'll put it almost so that it like almost freezes my eyeballs and you just have to have darkness and you have to wait.

And here's the thing. If that doesn't help you within about 30 to 45, 30 to 60 minutes. Go to the hospital. If that doesn't help you, you're fucked. Yeah. I was. Yeah. I was.

And it was between period one and two when I took this one shot of tequila, which I'll love a tequila shot. And I went, nope, this is. this is a different headache. I've never experienced this kind of headache before. And I went back and I just chugged water and chugged water. And I just got to a point where I was like, I'm going to throw up if I drink any more water.

And then I got home to my hotel and I was like, I'm going to take a cold shower. And I hadn't taken anything. So from like period one, I started getting a headache. It went into overtime and I'm suffering a migraine with people banging stuff. I know. And if you don't have medicine with you. I didn't. And then I got back to the hotel, had a cold shower.

I'm going on Instagram being like, what do people do for migraine? and everyone's telling me, so I had taken, no, I took a half of a percassette because I had them from getting my boobs done. And I was like, that should do it. And I don't know if that made me sick or whatever. But anyways, I started puking the pain just would not go away. And then so I got a cold cloth. And then around a certain time after throwing up, I had a zofran, Advil, and Tylenol. And then that still didn't work. I slept three hours that night. I was in a dark room the whole time. I had anxiety on top of everything. And then I'm like, at least the Hoyler's one.

I was like, if they had lost, if they had lost, you might have, you might have done a cannonball off the top floor of your freaking hotel. I'm never coming back to Florida ever again.

That is the only way to end this podcast. Or, and with telling everybody where they can find your album, you, your music. I don't know.

Follow me on TikTok if you want to. Do you really have TikTok? Yeah, but I got my guy Tyson. He does it all. Oh, cool. He just, we just do random shit.

Any post for me. What is your TikTok? Just Brett Kessel. Oh, perfect. And then Brecht Brett Kissel on Instagram, and I don't know, just follow me on Spotify. They say that if you have more monthly listeners and followers on Spotify, it boosts your

algorithms. So everybody's on Off the Vine. You don't even have to like my music, but follow me anyway. Yeah. Like help your buddy out. Yeah, help a friend out. Whatever, 300,000. Let's get it up to half a million.

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