Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Catt Sadler

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

Today, three time Emmy winning journalist, activist, entrepreneur, mom of two, and host of her own podcast NAKED, Catt Sadler joins Kaitlyn and special co-host Lo VonRumpf! Catt reminisces about how much more involved just the process of putting together a tape was when she started out versus the difficulty of getting noticed in a sea of voices in today's media landscape. Find out what Jim Carey sent Catt after their infamous red carpet interview. And of course Catt talks about the support she received after leaving E! News in light of gross wage disparity with her male counterpart. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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your TV screens hosting red carpet events, appearing on talk shows and just generally killing it in the news and entertainment game. You can now listen to her empowering conversations on The Naked Podcast. Read her advice on Dear Cat and watch her. her videos on her YouTube channel. She's also an activist, an entrepreneur, a mom of two, and so much more. Holy, what an intro. Please welcome to the podcast, Katzabler. That was a mouthful.

I feel sorry for you. What a queen you are. Yeah, holy goals. I guess when you're as old as I am, you'd do a lot. No, that's... You've done a lot over the time. Wait, three-time Emmy Award winning? Yeah, I've been a journalist for like now 20-some years.

You know, yeah, it's been a long time. That's crazy. Yeah. And you just love what you do because you're so good at it. Thank you. That means a lot coming from you, little podcast queen. Oh, what? I'm new to the game.

Yeah, but here's the thing. You are a professional and you probably went to school for this and you've been hustling and killing it. And I actually want to take notes from people like you because I'm like, I came out for me a little show. Give me a microphone. Like Diane Sawyer. Yeah, but look, it's working. Don't mess with the formula. Don't mess with it.

I mean, yeah, I don't know what the formula is, but I'm making my own. But yeah, it's, I mean, you've just worked so hard in your career and to get to where you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is true. I worked my ass off. I definitely did go the traditional route. So I did the journalism school. I did the interning.

It's badass. All that. Yeah, that's great, though. Yeah. I mean, yeah, then you do, I will say, I mean, I remember 10 years after doing local news. and then getting the job on me there was a sense of well I did work for this and I did earn it

and it was about like oh I held my own in the room and I had the experience so that is gratifying I will say absolutely and you so you started on the news is that how like local news or how did you start yeah yeah I was I'm from Indiana so I was just like a Hoosier girl

trying to make it you know watching Oprah growing up and all that and then I studied journalism and then an internship turned into a general assignment reporting job locally in Indianapolis where I was from and but I knew right away like I was like you know my passion was art and entertainment and movies and fashion and all that stuff and I was just stuck in like the cornfields I was yeah how do I get out of here to do what it is I want to do right and everybody said and still I think says for people that are really serious about like journalistic broadcasting like real news it's like go to a very small market and work your way up and I just that never really agreed with me so I I I kind of engineered an alternate route. I ended up in San Francisco at like 21, 22, and I worked there for four years on a pretty big market and learning in front of the world. So it was one of those things where it was live TV and I was reading a prompter for the first time. And I was doing interviews for the

first time. And, um, but it was such that that was like another form of college. So I was going to learn as I went and it was the best, best school I ever had. That's crazy. When you go back and see footage of yourself in San Francisco. But I would think like, are you like, oh my God. Like what the hell is or or is it kind of just like oh my like sweet you know like fondly looking at it because this is like the making of cats out of right right here's the best part number one looking back it's not like on your eye cloud okay this is on a VHS tape I mean it was that it was that long ago right there's no like oh just let me do a throwback Thursday of my first right no because I have to be like mom um remember those tapes for like however long ago so

funny it is funny it is funny I'm so long ago you've probably seen so much change in the industry holy hell night and day night and day for the good though do you think it's better so I think it's better because you know I hear from a lot of young girls especially that want to do what we do and want to you know host or or you know be a reporter or be you know in this field somehow some way and I'm like you guys have it at the at the yeah I had to go out and hire a TV crew and a camera man because it was all dudes back then and you had to like pay them extra on the weekend you had to make your own tape and then you had to edit like it wasn't like in your the palm of your hand there was a lot more that went into

it you had a reel that people had to see that you send to the mail i mean i'm making myself sound like i'm 80 but it really was a different time but i think um that's you know the advice i always always give it's like you you are the master of your own domain now you've got it on your phone anybody can do anything it's just up to you to create it and you know create it and that's the that's the thing it is like you have everything at your feet your tips, like you said, but then how do you get people to notice you now when everybody's trying to do that? True. I think it's, well, it's always been competitive. Yeah. And it's certainly very saturated now. I don't know. Get on a reality show. Get famous maybe. I don't know. Get on

ABC. Yeah. What do you think? Touch. Tush. You know, stand out. I mean, I always say too. I mean, at the end of the day, I think there are a lot of copycats today. I think there are a lot of people imitating other people that have success. I think authenticity is key. The for me personally, that's the thing I think that just set me apart was just like, well, listen, you know, here's who I am. Eventually, by the time I got to E, I was a mom of two already. And I didn't fit the mold. I wasn't blah with big boobs. And I wasn't like a nationally known name. But I. And you didn't make yourself that either. No, I didn't. Yeah. I didn't. I respect that. Thank you. Did you feel a pressure to you? Um, no, but I mean, I certainly didn't

feel the pressure to change. Um, because I had had local success and I knew who I was by the time I, I had had two kids and I'd had 10 years experience. I kind of knew there was no faking the funk at that point. But I definitely felt the pressure in some of those rooms with, you know, the auditions and the people around me. Of course, you get a little insecure and you're like, am I enough? Will I make it? Will anybody see me?

Does talent matter? Does experience matter? All those things kind of enter your brain. Yeah, audition processes in general are quite cutthroat and intimidating, you know, no matter what you're auditioning for. I had one of my first auditions the other day for some MTV show. And I was like, oh, don't you just want to look at like my Instagram following and hire me from that? And they were like, yeah, like we.

Did you actually say that? No. God, no, no. And I don't mean that. That was just a joke. But I was like, I was like, okay, here we go. Like my first audition. It was over Skype.

And I just felt like, I'm not prepared for this. I wasn't prepared. What did they have you do? An audition for what type of role? The host of a reality show. Okay. And not the one that Ariel just got. And it was, they basically were just asking me questions like, if you came upon this situation, what would you do?

And my brain immediately was going to like, what would a producer say? Or like, I just, I just wasn't prepped or prepared. And I was so intimidated by this audition process, like, answering questions and being, feeling that same way like, am I good enough for this role? Do you really want me? Like, do I have the right look? Do I have the right? Yeah. On your feet. Oh, my gosh. And it was crazy, but you probably have been in so many of those situations, but I have. But I mean, I understand that kind of awkwardness and or stress level. Yeah. I will say, I mean, again, back to kudos to you for creating this space, the podcast space, now that I'm on the other side of working for the man and being

in that whole corporate space and having to, please pick me. Now that I'm kind of building my own brand and in charge and producing and hosting on my own, on my own terms. It's amazingly liberating because we are in the driver's seat. I mean, how cool is that? Well, it feels amazing, by the way. And because, but you worked so hard to get there that you probably have so much experience and knowledge to go into where you are now that it must be so, you must feel like you know what you're doing too, where I'm just kind of like, can people help me? Like, you know what you're doing and you're going to do so well in the podcast space as well because you're clearly good do. All right, so Hagen does knows your best moments are made even better with a side of their

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Yeah, I shouldn't say it girls. Yeah. People in general love that. And people in this day and age love authenticity. And it's sadly rare. And so when you find that in a podcast or in whatever, you know, whatever you're doing, it stands out. And people, people crave that. Yeah.

I love it. It's like a magnet. It draws you in. So it doesn't matter how many or how overly saturated the market is. I feel like authenticity will always draw people in. I think more and more this day, too. Like I feel like we're coming around now to another time where people don't want to see. you know the well it's so funny you say that because that was the impetus to my whole podcast

because it's called naked uh for those of you haven't heard of it yet um because there's only a couple episodes out so far but the whole point was you know i came from Hollywood news and entertainment news and everything was very slick and very produced and all that which is wonderful and certainly has its place and it's entertaining and it's escapism or whatever but i kind of wanted to go deeper I wanted to be more real I wanted to be more raw and we do live in this age where everything is coming at everybody in this super manufactured, super face-tuned, super glossy way. And that's fine too. I think there's room for everything. But I was like, I just want to peel that back a little bit. Like for me, at this point, after all this time, I just want to have real conversations. I mean, honestly,

I feel like you're doing the same thing because you're doing, I think, in a different way with a different tone and you're fun and you're drinking. And everybody lets a hang out here, which I think is so cool about what you're doing. Same thing with mine. You know, we're in my bedroom. We actually take something off. The idea is to, like, get women to be really vulnerable and share in ways they've never shared. Yeah. Because there's just not, again, enough of, like, I don't want you to say what your publicist wants you to say. I don't want you to say what you think I want to hear. I actually, like, we've cried.

We've, like, it's been pretty phenomenal so far. And that's, I mean, to me, just raw, real, honest conversation is what the world needs. And I just think it's bringing people together. And I think that's why women are such a force right now. Now, not that men aren't, but women are just becoming such a force because we're having those honest conversations and we're realizing our strengths. And I love that. And I think that's so cool that you do that.

It's like we found our like place and our community. And again, that was part of my whole, you know, passion about creating this is like, we're all really way more the same than we are different. Let's find this community. Let's let women connect and listen and feel like they're not alone and know you, you have the same insecurities. We all have. I don't care if you're an A-List movie star, or reality star,

or whatever you do for work. Like, we're all, you know, we're all in it together. It's so important to have those conversations, too, because the other day I, you know, like, I'm living what I would imagine to be my dream life years ago. I, you know, with everything, I've just got, you know, the wine and the scrunchies

and the podcast and the, and I'm like, yes, and I've got a great guy. But I'm still fine myself waking up depressed some days. I feel like I still, Like, I still have anxiety. I still don't know why I have, like, dark thoughts or have these moments where I'm, like, sad. It doesn't make sense to me because I have what I would think is everything. Yeah.

But just talking about it sometimes makes me feel better. And the fact you just admitted that, do you know what that does for other girls and women? The fact that you just said that out loud, like, that is massively important. Even, to me, hormones and PMSing is something that was. never really talked about before and people think like what's wrong with me why do I feel depressed five days out of the month when I'm like fine the other time and then it doesn't make sense to people but if you actually keep track of your moods and your hormones and when it's that time you can start to understand your body better and forgive yourself a little more and and and think like

okay it's just those five days I'm normal these are hormones this is what my body's going through and then I'm going to be okay again. Yeah. And just having somebody explain that to me is what made me start being more aware of it. But that's all you need sometimes is just an honest conversation, just a conversation between two people that's just like real. Because think of how many years ago, like I think about my parents growing up. You didn't talk about when your friends come over, you know, your house is clean, you talk about

how great things are, you have the nice cutlery out. Cutlery is a Canadian thing. No, I think we have cutlery. Oh. Like the utensils. You know, and everything's very, everybody's happy and great. And now it's like, my friends come over and I'm like, I have my period and I'm like feeling disgusting and my anxiety was out of control today. And I'm like, I'm not okay.

They're like, how are you? I'm like, that's how I am. Not good. How are you? You know, and that's. Well, thank God you're doing that. I don't know that everybody's doing that yet. I hope they do because what you just said is what I think most.

of us need is just permission to like be yeah like you don't have to fit into a mold right to keep up with the joneses that's like what my parents generation used to say why could pick a fence the june cleaver syndrome every like be perfect yeah permission to just be as you are and then compassion for yourself like you were just saying yes i love the word compassion i meditate quite a bit i do i do i do and i think like we all need to cut ourselves some slack to start with and like just be like think about how you are to your friends like we're all like such good friends to the people we love, and then sometimes we're the hardest on ourselves. So it's like, flip that around a little bit, the mirror on ourselves, like, oh, give yourself

a little compassion. Yeah. I really like sleep. I put that up here as priority. Like, I take, self-care is like paramount to me. And I don't apologize for it because I love that. You got to honor your body. And some, and that means different things to different people.

Like, how you honor your body could be sleep and how you honor your body could be like sex. I was going to say like something funny like that. Yeah. Botox. Both. Yeah. Both. It's very hands.

Whatever. Yes. And how I honor my body. It's like, same things. Like it's all, it means something different to everybody. And some people feel selfish doing these things. And I know moms in general feel a lot of the mom guilt that everybody has, you know, to take a nap or to get rest. And there's so many other things you could be doing.

But it's important to take care of yourself to actually show up not only for yourself, but for other people, too, for your family and for friends. but, I mean, most importantly, yourself. But it takes self-care and being a little bit selfish to get there, and it'll help you in the end. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Do you find it difficult to do that when you have kids? Yes and yes.

Yeah. It's funny, my kids are older. So I feel very fortunate right now. I have teenage boys, and I just tried to even get them to spend time with me right now. So once upon a time, absolutely, when they were younger, it was very much. very difficult. You know, I was working full time. I, you know, I've been divorced. I was a single mom most of the time. And I was doing the career thing and I was raising two kids. And I, I look back at that time in my life and I'm like, wow. Like, how did I even survive? I didn't stop and I think

that's what saved me. Like, even like going through divorce, like it wasn't like I got to take weeks off on TV every day, you know, it's like. And you have to be on. You had to be on. You had to be on the level and on. Exactly. Yeah. Like, there was no stopping. But now, wow, I'm really enjoying this season of my life. Yeah. I now again, I'm kind of in the driver's seat of my time and my schedule. My kids are older. Like I have to beg them to like

go to dinner with me, you know, they're great and we're super close and we're very loving, but they're just too busy. They're in sports and they have friends and they're going on dates and all that stuff. That's crazy. So now it is a nice little, little season. Yeah. Because you can focus on you. I just got back from Paris. Like I'm traveling.

I really do feel very, very grateful. It's a very nice time. And that's, and you know, what again that like you said the seasons it takes hard seasons and it takes crazy busyness and going through tough times to get to nice season sometimes and I think people forget that and people don't necessarily see light at the end of the tunnel they just think this is a dark time I'm not going to come out of this like what's wrong with me where it's like and I talk about this so much that I came out of this breakup from the show and I was not okay and I was just heartbroken and devastated and like couldn't deal and I'm like what I'm you know this age and I thought we

you're going to get married and you think life's over and something can happen, you know, weeks later or where you turn a corner, you're like, oh, I'm going to be okay. And people don't think that far in advance because you're just so focused on, and you should feel your feelings and feel the pain and go through everything, but you have to know that there's going to be, you know, another season for you. On the other side of all that suffering, always. Yeah. Let's take a break for a second to talk about our jeans.

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tell me the story just because I don't want to like put words in your house up yeah no um yeah it was it was a little over a year and a half now but I had been there for 12 years yeah I'd been there very very long time yeah and by the time um the last year of my time there I was doing two shows so I was doing um e-news for three or four days a week uh in the co-host role yeah and then I was doing another show called Daily Pop which I was the the main host of that show so I was doing two shows yeah I was working five days a week and uh a female executive kind of pull me behind a closed door and said, you should know that you're severely underpaid. And she was speaking about one male in particular of my co-host who had been there for

literally the same amount of years I'd been, 12 years. We came in about the same time. We'd done similar roles. We'd been on similar shows. We were kind of the he and she of the network at this point. I remember. And he got paid double. Double than you, right? Well, that's what she said. Yeah. And I wish I were permitted to say the number, but by law, I'm not allowed to, but it was more than double what I was making. And by the way, she pointed that out and I was like, whoa. Like it never dawned on me to even ask. It never like, that's just something very taboo, obviously. People weren't talking about. And then I, you know, I did my research and that's when I found out the exact disparity. And then I was like, okay, well, let's see. I'm doing

like almost double the work right now. And my contract's coming up. So I'm just going to ask for what I know I deserve. Like, I felt very convicted in that fact. And I really thought they were going to go yeah you're right you're such a team player you're working your ass off you're on air more than most of our on air talent right now which means that they valued me right they wanted to use me they just didn't want to pay me so they wouldn't meet me there and I think that you know I can't speak for them but I think they just thought she's not going to quit nobody quits this job nobody walks away from this job and she's you know what age and how many kids and she needs this job and they were wrong and so I just I couldn't I couldn't do it I think I kind of want to get down on my knees and

bow down to you. I just respect the hell out of that. Thanks. I think that is. You went into that. Okay, that's a bold ass move to do that. You know what I mean?

But it's a bold ass move for them to try and pay somebody like, what? But, because of course, because you have the family and all those things, of course, would go through your head. Like, maybe I should stay.

Sure. But I'm saying for you to like take that maybe back of the mind fear and stuff and then just like charge ahead. Yeah. It's so inspiring. It is. It is super inspiring. Well, thank you guys.

I mean, listen, it wasn't an overnight decision. It requires a lot of soul searching and I sought the advice of a lot of my mentors. And that was at the time, don't forget, like the Me Too movement was really in full swing. And I kept watching all these badass women like come forward with their stories regardless of what at what cost, right? Would they work again or would people, you know, judge them or shame them or, you know. And I was just so speaking of empowerment. I was empowered by them and what they were doing.

And so it just came to the point where I was like, I will serve no one. If I stay, the viewers, I won't do as good a job. I'll come to work better. I, you know, I wouldn't have served the art of, you know, what I did in entertainment news. And I wouldn't have served myself. So. And that is, I mean, to me, that's just so powerful. And I bet you had so much support from women in general.

that came forward to support you on that. I didn't know that I would. Of course. That was part of the gamble. And I had to just, you know, I took that leap not knowing, obviously. I really thought, okay. Yeah, because you don't know if that's going to work or not. Yeah.

I mean, I had, thank goodness. And this is something I tell a lot of young girls who ask me about, you know, career and and advice. And, you know, I did have, you know, a side hustle, if you will. I did have my website, the catwalk.com. I did learn the digital. game. I wanted that interest to be anyway. So I did have this, you know, little side business that that was my plan. I was like, I'm going to put all my energy into that. And by the way, I have done

this for 20 years. Surely somebody will hire me. It's not like the end. So I had to put, I had to bet on myself. And, you know, do all that kind of work to decide how it would potentially play out. I did not expect the support. I didn't expect times up to be formed 10 days later. Like all of the timeliness of it just really worked out. And the support, the people that came forward on my behalf, that kind of stood up for me was really, really humbling. Right. And did, did E come out and say, I'm sure they had to come up with, um, like a political, right. So did, so did they say, did they apologize or did they say? Oh, no, no, no, no, not even, okay, the dust is settled and like maybe then, like, is, I would say they're, they're like family to you at that point, 12, 12 years, right? Yeah. I mean, these people have been in your life for a while. So I think maybe, even though everything that happened.

And, like, you would have, like, a sit down with some of the people there and they'd be like, listen, we're sorry. What about the family? The family were the, the, the camera people and the stage manager and the producers and the people at the ground level. Those aren't the people making these decisions. Right. That was my family. Those are the people that I'm sure felt where I was coming from. Those are the people I miss.

Those are people that I still stay in touch with. It was the higher ups that they're not into, you know, personal. relationships. They're in a bottom line. That's so sad. Like, how can they justify that? And did your co-host? Did he stand up for you and say that you deserved to be paid the same? He did until I left. And then, and then it got really tricky for him because he was being assassinated in the public, too. I mean, people, listen, back to did the network say anything? They, they eventually, you know, said something very, you know, politically correct or what they had to say to protect themselves. But the beauty of that whole thing was, I didn't have to say anything beyond my original blog post because the public, the viewers, the people around the world that watched every day, they did the speaking for me because they're like, what?

This stuff makes sense. I saw her on the nightly news every night. What do you mean she did the daytime? I was like, this is bullshit. I remember seeing that story. I was like, are you freaking kidding. I know. People were like, what show are you watching? So they did the talking for me and unfortunately, I think I think he was muzzled a little bit

by the networking. You couldn't say much at all. So, you know, put him in a really precarious position and I hate that for him. Which almost sucks because saying nothing says so much in a negative way. In my opinion, yeah, don't like it. Right. No. It's like, okay, just to reference back to like the Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson debacle with the whole, you know, but I've never heard of it. Just kidding. Back here in the States. Yeah. But his silence. He didn't say he let her take a hit on that one. And it really looked bad. So anyway. No, that's it. You know what?

Good for him. No, that's a good point. Like it's, you know, you want, we're talking about equality here. So you, you know, you want that person to stand their ground too and not. And then it just shows you the power of the network, too, to have that power over him. And that's, that's, I mean, it just sucks either way. But it's ugly. It kind of did, it's, I'm sure it's segued for you to, to have that platform and voice to,

because you're involved in charity now, right, with supporting women and fighting for equal pay. Yeah, yeah. No, exactly. I mean, when we're focusing on kind of the negative side, I mean, honestly, I feel like this all rolled out and played out exactly as it was intended to do. Like, I feel like I'm being used now, right, for a good cause and a good purpose. And I'm using my voice and I'm an activist by definition now. I can't tell you how many events and projects and campaigns and initiatives that I am now. aligned with right where you know and i'm doing it not only it's of course i'm going to be super

honest and transparent you know a lot of that is paid work um but the the the girls and the women from around the world that hit me up after i left that work in all industries no not hollywood but right but across you know hospital workers and people who work in law firms or people teachers i mean i can't tell you how many women i heard from it is boggling how many messages i got i wish i could have responded to all of them, but it's like, they begged of me. Just whatever you do, just keep fighting the fight. Keep using your voice. You do have reach. You do have a platform. Please don't stop. And so that honestly propelled me. I knew I had this other job to do. In addition, I will always love to be a TV host. Do I want to do fun, goofy, like salacious, sexy stuff?

That's part of me too. That is a part of me. Do I want to have my website and like show off the best stilettos of the season and lip gloss? Of course. Do I want to do a podcast that's super serious? Yeah, I'm going to do that too, and I'm going to get naked and, like, hopefully change people's lives and make a difference in the world. And then, you know, who knows? I'll also be an activist and do this work. So I're doing it all. I feel like I won. I feel like I won the lottery because, I mean, what a lucky position to be. And I bet it fulfills your soul as well, you know, like you're doing things that you love and you're helping people and you're getting paid for it and you're deserving of it. Well, thank you. Deserving. I mean, I get all weird about that. But thank you. you are. I, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I feel so, so crazy grateful. Yeah. And, um, and, and I, it's a good, it's a good chapter right now. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm leaning in as they say. Yeah, lean into it. Yeah. This episode of Off the Vine is brought to you by Miller Light. Did you know that Miller Light was

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Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Both your podcasts and your YouTube channel are relatively new. It seems like a natural route for you, but how did you decide that now is the time to get started on podcast and YouTube channel? Was it just like kind of came naturally as... And what is your YouTube channel? Yeah.

The YouTube thing... The YouTube thing has been very experienced. experimental. I'll be super honest. I, listen, I, when I left E, you know, interviews have always been my thing. I love interviewing people. That's my most favorite thing to do is to talk with people like yourself and go back and forth. Get the real story. Tell people's stories. That's what gets me up in the morning. Yeah. So without a TV network at the time, it's like, well, what do I do? Where do I put that? So it started out on my website. There were just print interviews, but I had a lot of friends and relationships, Molly Shannon, the comedian was in my living room and I was doing all these interviews, but they were only. I'm obsessed with her. They were only online. You know, I got some great names. Gwyneth Paltrow did some. Amy Schumer did it. Evelyn Lazada from like basketball wives.

Like I got a lot of great women. But then they were just printed interviews. And I was like, but, but Molly's. You're Gweneth Paltrow? Yeah. Goose. Yeah. Wait, didn't you have, um.

J-La? Yeah. So this is where it transitions. Okay. So these were the printed interviews on my website. And I was like getting all these wonderful conversations. I was like, well, but you can only read them. And who's actually reading them.

anymore and how do you actually get people to the website so then I was like this has to be a conversation that we can hear and I eventually I hope it will be television but the next progression of that was podcast I was like this has to make it has to be a podcast yeah that's how the podcast was born and then yeah I mean it's wild people have have really um they've just showed up I guess for me which has been so nice Olivia Mline was my first guest Jennifer Lawrence came over to my it's all done my bedroom too which is really wild because it's not a studio like this it's like I have to be vulnerable People are coming to my house. I'm like, oh, my God, we need fresh flowers.

Yeah. And somebody vacuum. My dog was all over the bed. Yeah, of course. But it's like, that's part of the point, right? Because I have to, I have to let people in if I expect them to let me in. Of course. And so it's been great so far.

Wow, that's amazing. I just, I love this space. I see why you like this because I came from a world where it was like, you do a 20-minute interview. I'm sure you've been the subject of this. People interview for 20 minutes. And then you see it on the nightly news and you're like, oh, that was 30 seconds, and that's barely anything I said. Right.

So on the other side of that is the journalist, I'm like, oh, I got all this great stuff. And it just gets cut down. It's headline. It's clickbait. And then nothing lives, right? Wait, something's coming to me right now. Did you do the Jim Carrey interview? I did.

That was you. Yes, I knew it. Oh, my gosh. That, was that the most painful? I got so angry for you. What happened? Why was he being like that? I was so disappointed because it's Jim Carrey, he's Canadian, he's funny, he's nice.

Oh, at the Icon Awards. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A few times. Oh, I wasn't angry. I kind of loved it. Oh, okay. Well, it went viral. Yeah, yeah, of course.

Actually, good for you. That's a good way to look at it. And what a dialogue. Yeah. I mean, to your point, though, I'll tell you how that went down because, you know, I was a red carpet reporter reporter for E. I went to New York. I was covering Fashion Week, we're with Icon, the Bazaar. Yeah, Harper's Bazaar.

Harper's Bazaar. icon awards or whatever it was. And so you do like 30 interviews, you know, you're doing back to back to back to back to back to back. And I remember, and by the way, E would maybe take three of them, you know, who, you know, it was like, I remember like, Bill Hadid and the weekend are here. Like at the time that was the headline. Yeah. So Jim Carrey comes in and your fashion weekend and runs like, yeah, whatever, are you even going to talk to him? I mean, hate to say that. A list. Maybe Star, you know, I love him. I revere him. But, you know, typically that's not an interview we would ever then have used. right especially there like yeah like why huh what and i remember watching him walk down the carpet

and he was like he was on one you know he was in oh yeah whole character like dancing and being dramatic and like garnering all this attention so i was like oh yeah oh yeah here we go this is and it was all tape so again i were just thinking let's have some fun because who know this is never going to see the light a day anyway right so he walked over and then it just started and if you if you Google it, you'll find it. But it was like, he was who-hoo, you know, he was talking about existentialism. Oh, no,

it was wild. I can't remember all the words he used because it was like so out there. Yeah. What are icons? Yeah. Are there icons? Are you real? Are you here? Do you even exist? I think I smell you. Like, it was so crazy. Can I just say Gail King moment when like

R. Kelly's like ripping into Gayle King and she's just like unfazed cat the same. Yeah. You're rolling with it. I was like, oh, I love it. You handled it so well. Yeah, just like a little hair flip. Yeah. And then, like, she just kept going. It was perfect. I would have cried

and gotten like, I would have been like, I ruined everything. Or just made like one of those of the camera, like cut. You know what I looked at it is like it was such a dance. I loved it. I lived for it because I'd have done so many interviews by that point. I was like, most people put me to sleep. I'm sorry. It's like the same thing over and never again. I was like, ooh, I feel alive.

You welcome to crazy. This is great. That's fine. I mean, I got some criticism, of course. You always do. I'm used to this point. You know, I think some people were just like, oh, my God, you know, he's had a scary past. His ex-girlfriend killed herself.

Like, I think I said something in the beginning, like, you're here alone. Like, and people took that the wrong way. Like, I was being insensitive. I mean, you can never win. I loved it. And another little fun fact when that was over. He actually sent me flowers and he apologized. Oh.

It was very, very sweet. Jim. That's sweet. And he quoted the purple. rain lyrics like like purple rain behind summer purple flowers love Jim Carrey my assistants of the room I'm like did you know this pay attention to take notes that's great yeah yeah so that was cool yeah do you see what I mean like isn't life worth it yeah like those are the days you wake up you don't you can't predict anything I live for those moments and then Jim Carrey sent you flowers that's what a

story it's so cool I by the way I've said this a couple times but I it my podcast is mostly women at this point. I am not discriminating against men. I have so many men that I want to eventually get on and he is one of them. Like, how great would the follow-up be? No, that would be, you're in the process right now of developing a new unscripted TV show, right? Yes, I am. With TNT. Yeah, which is way more important than that YouTube channel thing we were talking about earlier. Okay. I'm glad you brought into that. Yeah, of course. No one looks at my YouTube channel. But that's because I've been so busy doing these other things, so I can't really be consistent on YouTube. But yeah, I am, I can only say so much because it is not official official official as you know how these things go but um but it is with t-n-t i have a first look

deal with t-n-t so awesome been in business with them developing a um an unscripted show this kind of in the lifestyle space that i would host and produce and it's in the wellness world i'll just say like kind of generically it's kind of exploring and exposing the good the bad and the ugly of all the things that so many of us are obsessed with you know it comes to beauty and health and food and diet and relationships and dating and apps and all of the above, but it's a pretty cool formula and we're really close to bringing that to the world. I mean, just from what you said right there sounds awesome. Really? Oh, good. Yeah, no, same thing as, you know, the, when we talk about the raw real conversation and how you just, you know, sometimes just hearing someone say that

they get depressed too or they feel this too. Exposing those sides of things where people aren't doing that on social media and not giving the highlight real is what people are not. now craving. So good for you for getting into that right now. Yeah. And don't you think people are just like craving to feel good? Yeah. What's going to fix me? What, what am I going to try to do? People used to crave drama and I feel like now they're craving feeling good. Yeah. And by the way, though, I mean, I think the thing that's worth exploring is that like not all of it's the real deal, right? So we're sold all this stuff on Instagram and social media. Like drink this tea and you'll look this way and do this and you're going to feel that way and try snake therapy. Like there's so much what works, what doesn't. I think there's a lot

humor in that so it should be entertained yeah that's the good thing about that too is it can be all these things but it can also be there's humor involved in that yeah that'd be funny yeah behind the scenes of skinny tea just wait flat tummy tea what is it yeah gummy bear hair all that

hey sugar bear hair oh god no I never I never did one Instagram ad for sugar bear hair I never did not once and I was so curious about it because all the bachelor girls were doing it. And I was like, there's no way.

And so then I saw, but I looked, it's basically, and this works. And it's basically, um, no, yes, yeah, same kind of things, which it, and it tastes good. Um, what's the prenatal vitamins? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like things are that are in that to make your hair. Yeah. So it makes sense that it actually works. I don't know.

Did you try it and did it work? Yes. Okay. Good to know. And they're not paying me to say that. No, I am too. That was part of my whole thing. whole reason for, I was like, I'll try anything

because my hair is so fine and thin and I lost hair from stress and so I tried anything and I found what worked was sugar my hair because it is basically like pre-natal vitamins and collagen powder. Yeah. Good to know. Yeah. All right guys

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for your skin it's great let's just have this talk now yeah no i'm into um i do all different kinds of things just because i i always like to try new things um same but i mean botox is probably the number one yeah i'm there with your girl yeah i do botox um i think it like to use retinol I use it. I use retinol religiously. Religiously, I keep being told to do that. I forget. I'm not good about doing it all the time.

Well, you started it for a bit and then stopped. I kind of come in and out of it. Because there's like a weird phase where you get like the flaky skin and like that's what happened with me. Yeah, you got to like work your way up. You got to get through those like boot camp of retinol and then you get the benefits. Let me ask. I say I'm going to, here I'm going to start asking you questions.

But about Botox. Yeah. Because I didn't start Botox until I was, I think I was about your age. Yeah. How old are you? 34. She's had a birthday. Yeah.

I think I started Botox 34-35. Yeah. Have you been a long time or do you just get started or just for the girls out here? Is that too direct? No. Yeah. Are you not? Whatever.

No. Bless you. Wait. You got Wikipedia. Don't tell me you don't look in the mirror and think you look at you. No, I didn't take your age or Wikipedia. Oh, no. I look at the mirror and I'm like, oh my God, that laugh line.

Oh my God. I've never looked. Don't get me. No. Okay. I try to not talk to myself that way. Yes. Well, we all do it.

But I think that one, we'll circle back. The most important thing is to be aware of the way you talk to yourself. I know. That's why I'm saying. We will all be hard on ourselves. But if you can stop yourself sometimes and be like, don't talk to yourself like that. Agreed. That's amazing.

Botox. Well, I'm just saying, like, people sometimes rip on me for admitting I do anything like fillers or Botox. Why? Because it's honest. But I'm like, okay, I hope the people ripping me apart for that are not dying there. hair, wearing makeup, doing anything for it. Because that's just, you know, we all want to look a little bit younger. We dye our hair because we don't want to go gray. We put on makeup because we don't want to look tired. Is it a little bit sad? Sure. And I, it depends on how you look

at it. But you know what? Guys do it too. They go to the gym. Guys go to the gym. Guys do do their hair? I just got 30 units in my forehead and around my eye. You know, it's, and do you think that's sad or does that make you feel good? Makes me feel amazing. So what's sad about that? Yeah, I love it. I mean, I think it's a balance of the internal and external. If it's all external, that's a scary place to be. But if you balance that, what's wrong with that? I think if you're doing the interior work and you match it with a little exterior,

then that's a fine place to be. That's right, because each person gets their own choice in the matter, don't they? Exactly. It's our bodies. Yeah. But so when I was younger, I think at the age of 23, maybe even younger, I started, I have a very expressive face, very animated, and my dad, same thing, like he's got, like, the really heavy lines in his forehead. And so when I was about 23, I remember being really self-conscious

about them. And, you know, I had this baby face, and I just looked really young, but I had these crazy lines on my forehead. And so I started hearing about Botox, and I was like, okay, I'll try it. And I went somewhere in Vancouver that it was, I don't even remember the name of it, but if I did, I would say, don't go there because they gave me the droopy people. brow, but like I had no wrinkles. But it really started bothering me at a young age. So I started yeah, pretty young, probably 24, 25, um, with Botox in my forehead. And it's really like, it makes me feel really good. Like I'm, it was something I was really self-conscious. Did you ever get like the bronzer or makeup in the line? Of course. Oh, God. That's why it started. Yeah. Like I noticed

if I had like a little, I do like a powder or something. Yeah. Um, And I'd get it in my line here. And I was like, oh, my God, this little dirt line on my forehead drove me nuts. So, you got rid of that. Skin care to me is super important because it makes me feel good. And I don't like wearing a ton of makeup. So I like if my skin looks nice, a little lash, a little lip, feel good. Well, and they do say I'm not a doctor or a medical expert.

But, like, you know, if you start at the right-ish time, then you do prevent other wrinkles from coming. Like, that's part of why the whole paralyzing, the problem. wrinkles thing tends to work. I've always aired on the side of conservative conservative. So thank you for saying. I'm like young only because I do think not all doctors are created equal. Yeah. And I do think like there's too much of a good thing sometimes. So I've been very careful to just be super like conservative about it. And I think it's important that what you said about having the, um, how you talk to yourself. Because I always think about having daughters or kids and I don't want them to think, you know, aging is bad. I just, it's just about how you have the

And how you talk to yourself more than anything, like how you talk to yourself as a parent will come off or come through your children like. And I think that's so important to just be honest like you are. Yeah. Trying to be. No, you are. Give yourself credit. She an honest queen. She an honest queen. Also, I'm really excited for this show idea that you've got because I think it's going to work. We'll have you on. We'll play a quick game. And then we'll get you out of here. Okay. You have an early morning girlfriend. Okay. I'm going to ask you, would you rather play this or that, or would you rather rapid-fire questions? Real deep things on the podcast. Can you see how conflicted I am? I don't know, this or that, maybe. Okay. Here we go.

Instagram or YouTube? I already know the answer to this. TV or podcast? Podcast today. Okay. go out or stay in stay in okay

cats are dogs I know you have both dogs yeah get rid of those cats I love I love cats I love it

I have a dog and I have a cat if my dog died it might take me a year to recover and I love Kyla my cat but I think I'd recover a little quicker

yeah coffee or wine that's a hard one usually it's coffee or tea Are you out? Oh, crazy. Still probably coffee. I'll just do coffee and tequila.

Oh, okay, okay, fair, fair, fair. Work for the rest of your life or never work again. Oh, wow, that's a good one, Caitlin. Thanks. I love when people look at me. I love when people are like, great question. I'm like, oh, thanks. I prepped.

Okay, I'm going to get real like. uh miss america on you but i'll never work again and i'll serve forever oh oh there's wow bam just throw a little curb i was the morgan county fair queen in nineteen ninety two and they told me that i was real good at the interview portion oh you can take the girl out of indiana but i tell you give the girl a crown that was can you say that again just so I can really let that sink in. I don't remember.

Roll the clip. Replay that clip, please. That's amazing. Wow, that was good. Wow. Okay. You know what? I'm not asking you anymore.

This is a lot. That mic drop. I want to end on that, but I just, we're going to end with your confession. Do we have to really bring it down to that level? Yeah. Yes, because we like to end this podcast with a good laugh. Something juicy. Yeah.

Or not. I'm really having trouble with this because I knew I had to come up with a confession. And all of my confessions, there's no, like, bland confession. It just goes straight hood. Perfect. Do you want to, okay. I went from serving the universe as Miss America to the back alley. We can edit it and chop it up and splice it so that we can put it.

somewhere else but I will tell you just because you said hood I here's a little confession I went on the Steve Harvey show and um he I don't I don't know if he likes me or not or maybe it was just like a bad day I don't know but I was on this panel with these other people I've done that show too it's hard it's hard yeah yeah he was freaking living for everyone else's answers and I'd say something he'd say something Steve Harveyish like really like he'd make me feel stupid long dramatic pause and and then look at you. Yeah. And, you know, I try and be funny in interviews.

The family fuse stare down. Yeah. The, like, and he takes a little lap or a walk to, like, really sink in that you feel stupid. And he said something to me, he was talking about, you know, my daughter brings home guys to date and I'm hood. Like, and I, blah, blah, blah. And I said, Steve, I'm also hood. And I blah, blah, blah. And I said something.

And he looked at me with, like, just dead in the eyes. And he goes, being hood is not. about a color or a race like being hood doesn't mean and i was like that's why you said it i was like oh no no i mean i know i didn't i wasn't saying that like i just i am myself a little bit hood ah that's a i'm uncomfortable for you i am myself a little bit hood i too happen to be a little bit hood yeah and it was like and i was like i know it's not And then I got so uncomfortable, and then we moved on, and I was like, wow, that was, that was, that was, man, did that make hair? Yeah.

I'm sorry. Nobody else, anything because, by the way, when I just referenced hood, it has nothing to do with color. That's what I mean. It just means, you know, hood just to me means a little, like, undone. I'm not proud of it. Like, that's, I would have never said that word if I even thought that because I'm the same way as you. And so I was so humiliated that he took it that way. But luckily, nothing never came from it.

and I hope it doesn't from me bringing this up now. Edit. Now, yeah, into your hood moment. What? Well, I just was trying to think of so many confessions that weren't boring. It's okay if they're a little boring. I don't mind boring. I'll forgive you.

I mean, I would prefer not boring, but. Just kidding. I can either tell you, I can tell you one of two stories. Okay. The only thing that came up is like either something that involves me having a busted lip or it involves me having an accent. with excretion. That one. I'll take the excretion.

Yeah, for 100. 100, please. Yeah. Yeah. Do that one. I'm only going to tell the story because my kids know this about me and they laugh about it and they think it's really funny. But sometimes I have, you know, that real like, I don't know if there's, if I've been

diagnosed with like a problem. Oh, my God. But I have like, I think what might be like a spastic colon. Oh, okay? A spastic colon. Lowe's like, I used to think so differently with you. Oh, God. She's going to tell me the story.

Jeff, my producer over there just raised his hand like he's got a spastic colon. You too? Okay. And I don't think I'm lacked as a tolerant. I don't know. Spastic colons. That's our new band name. Yeah.

The club. The club. The club. And I was trying to think of the things that have embarrassed me the most of my life. And I think this is up there. I was in Hawaii. It was probably five or six years ago because my kids were much younger. And I was like so proud because it was the first vacation I'd ever take them on.

Like they were younger and it was just the three of us. We went to Hawaii. We had this lovely little vacation and I had rented a Jeep all by myself with my two little boys and we were driving through the mountains. And it was like a very, very heavy trafficked tourist destination. So there are people everywhere. I'm on this like red rock mountain in Hawaii like this volcanic place. And I'm in my little Jeep wrangler or whatever. And when it hits it.

hits right so what do you do what do my god cat don't say it you shit yourself well not that bad oh okay so i couldn't just go off into the woods there were no woods you're in the red rock right water bottle close but that would be really difficult that'd be impressive so i literally your kids backpack oh my god i had a pizza box like in the back seat or something got to do it you do and I made my poor kids like cover their eyes and I'm pretty sure that's what I did in the backseat of this Jeep into a empty pizza box and oh my god but it kind of would see sorry it didn't and then I just but it was there it didn't it's in the pizza's a box I dropped the drawers I did the deed yeah it sounds very scarring my kids my kids know this about me now they're like

get her to the bathroom which she's got to go she's got to go and then I just remember you know moments later disposing of said box, you know, on the side of the road and a big old dumpster at this, well, not my proudest moment, but you know what? I think you should be proud of that. You were resourceful. Yeah. Yeah. You chose to not

let it go in the pants. Thank you. You made the kids cover the eyes. Yeah. And you didn't just throw it on the side of the road. You found a dumpster. I did. I disposed of it responsibly. We love a Colin Queen. Yeah. Col and Queen.

Yeah. Col and Queen. Everybody. I'm so embarrassed. That was so hard for me. Oh, my God. Do you feel better now? No. I feel good that I didn't take the easy route and tell you a stupid story.

You didn't go the safe route and you went there and I. Oh, I went there. I respect you for that. And, I mean, you have no idea how many poop stories I've had on this podcast. So you're totally fine. It's a safe place here. It's a safe place. And we all respect you for.

telling us. Now, tell us where we can find you on Instagram. Um, not your YouTube channel. Your, uh, tell us all of the things just so everybody can, yeah, where can we find you? Yeah, where can we find you? YouTube's going to come to life one day. I just, I, one day. Um, you can find me. I, I am Katzadler. It's my handle. I do love Instagram and I do a lot of Instagram stories. So if you want to come along with me on the ride, um, I, stories are pretty fire. I think they're all right. Pretty fire. Yeah. And

my podcast though, that's my my proudest project and offering right now. It's called naked. Naked with Cat Sathers on every single platform. So Spotify, Apple, Stitcher, whatnot. You can find it. And

there are new episodes every single week. So we go every week for the next year. And we're going to be talking with women, you know, again from a Jennifer Lawrence to entrepreneurs, to authors, to, you know, change makers and remarkable women from all industries. So it's super dope. And I want people to please, as you know, subscribe rate review. I'm new to this game. I'm like, you got a subscribe rate review. Everything. Do all of the things.

All the things, please. All the things. Because it really helps. It really does. Yeah. It helps us know. Even it helps for like knowing what, like it helps the audience. Like what, what they want. want to listen to and what makes them happy and you know we pay attention to those things so yeah and you should because it is a community i mean it's not in this talking to ourselves right like we're doing it for the people and i do understand that so i do want to it's the only way it works if you do it for them yeah who else is it for right well i mean it's for your bank but that won't get you far because then it's if it's not for the people you don't get the downloads and you don't get the money there you go so that's it i respect your hustle thank you my friend thank you thank you thanks for

me on you of course fun thank you for being here and um i just really love what you're doing thank you likewise and you're gonna have to come on the old naked please i'm gonna do the i'm gonna drop the whole you know hardcore interview on you okay i'm gonna get you to cry please we're gonna like go deep on that canadian roots i'm into it i love interviews like that okay good yeah and i am a very open book you can bring your um it's a um what's the you have a golden retriever yeah i have a german shepherd oh my my gosh that's my that's what we want to get next is a german shepherd come meet scarlet she's there at the low you're of course invited i'll be there um come to the bedroom and you'll meet you'll meet you'll meet

you'll meet the whole gang okay we'll do it there and i also pour wine so bring your own i mean i'll what are you doing tomorrow at seven am because that's the only time i have opened no actually i think you are coming isn't she coming on mine yeah yes i just don't know when it's soon you're coming i forgot Yes, you are coming. Great. So don't cancel. I won't. I'm Caitlin Bristol.

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