Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Cooper Alan | Viral Country Star on Marriage, Music & Soon-to-Be Dad Life!

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

#893. Cooper Alan is here! Rising country star, TikTok sensation, husband, and soon-to-be dad joins Kaitlyn on Off the Vine to share the wild, heartfelt, and hilarious stories behind his journey.From Nashville dreams that didn’t go as planned, to viral fame on TikTok, to writing songs inspired by marriage, parenthood, and his North Carolina roots, Cooper opens up about it all. We also dive into his debut album Winston-Salem, the Cooper Alan Foundation supporting mental health, and the chaotic, funny moments that make him…well, Cooper—like playing an entire show with his fly open.Whether you’re a country fan, a TikTok follower, or just love a good story, this episode is full of laughs, surprises, and a behind-the-scenes look at the man behind the music!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Booking.com: Head over to booking.com and start your listing today! Get Seen. Get Booked on Booking.com!Chewy: Every pet deserves a wish come true. Send your pet’s wish to Chewy.com/ChewyClaus and it might become a reality. Plus, your wish means Chewy will donate 5 meals to pets in need.Paka: To grab your PAKA hoodie and free pair of alpaca crew socks, head to GO.PAKAAPPAREL.COM/OTV and use my code OTV.Macy’s: So if you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, stuck, or just unsure what to get, Macy’s Personal Stylists make gift-giving easy, thoughtful, and actually kind of fun. Book your first session today for free!Boll & Branch: Shop now at BollAndBranch.com/vine25 with code vine25 for 25% off sitewide.Bombas: Head over to Bombas.com/vine and use code vine for 20% off your first purchase.EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (17:32) – Going Viral on TikTok – How Cooper’s music career blew up and changed everything.(26:27) – Napoleon Dynamite Dance – Full costume, three hours of practice, and NOT worth it.(42:05) – “Starting to Show” & Becoming a Dad – The heartfelt story behind his favorite song and impending fatherhood.(49:28) – Embarrassing Concert Confession – Playing an entire show… with his fly down.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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this podcast and making these episodes the best they can possibly be obviously for you. That's the only favorite I'm going to ever ask, okay? it truly means the world to me. Thank you. Now let's get into it. Ah, this is what you know I'm like at the end of a night when I got when I got the giggles and I don't make sense. Oh, hey, hey. Okay. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Welcome to off my podcast. I'm your host, Caitlin Brissau. This energy does continue into the podcast. So get used to it. Today we have a guest on who is relatable and talented and very country. And what else do you say? Goofy? Maybe a little.

goofy? He's grown from posting songs in his truck to building a fan base of Schmillions and sold out tours and releasing his debut album Winston-Salem, which is where he grew up and on the album he explores his roots, family marriage, mental health and of course he still knows how to throw a party. You are going to know him from his viral, viral TikTok videos where he does the most incredible mashups. I actually was kind of fan-girling that he was sitting in front of me because I've watched so many of his TikTok videos, which is creepy, but we're going to dive into the music, the stories behind the songs, lessons he's learned along the way and we got him to share an embarrassing story. That's pretty funny. So stay tuned.

Enjoy my interview with Cooper Allen. This is the weirdest thing that I can't remember if I've, if I met you and told you this story or if I dreamt that I told you the story. I don't know the answer to it. Okay. You were, I feel like I have this vision of meeting you and going, I've seen you on TikTok and you were behind me at Oku once and I just didn't want to bug you during dinner. Oh, yeah. Do that happen? I think that did. happened. I think that, okay, so that wasn't a dream. Oku is bringing it back for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Where were we? Were we at Oku? No. It was like, I want to say it was maybe like a red carpet somewhere. It was probably last time I went to Oku was before the, it was the CMA like CMA awards last year.

That's for sure what it was. Yeah. And the after party thing. That didn't go to the awards, but like the WME after party or whatever. Maybe. Maybe. Where was that? 60. Nope, it wasn't there. But I think you weren't on the carpet? No. God, that's really going to bother me. It was, I must have had a few beverages. But I was at Oku.

Yeah, and I remember you were sitting behind me at Oku, and I was like, that's a guy from TikTok. And then I have a very clear vision of telling you that story. And then I was like, did I dream that? Or did I actually tell you that I saw you at Oku? I mean, that's really good memory. No, it's not. It's kind of a half good memory. Yeah, it's actually a shitty memory.

I don't remember where I was, what I told you that, or if it was a dream. But anyways, I just remember being like, I used to watch your TikToks, like, religiously. What year was it that you, like, really went crazy on TikTok? This was 20, 20? Was it 21? Yeah, because we, I moved home when COVID hit. Yeah. And just kind of started doing it.

And then it took a little bit to, like, get going on it. So it could have been 2021. Wait, you moved home as it were's home. Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Okay, so you went to, you grew up there. You came to Nashville for music. but then Nashville didn't do it for you. You moved home and then TikTok did it for you.

Is that the story? Yeah. And it was on like it was what, three months at home with my parents or something just while like couldn't play in bars and stuff. And then we came back here. But yeah, it was moved home. TikTok worked and.

Isn't that funny? Yeah. Well, you do have like a very specific like niche that would go viral on TikTok I feel. Well, thank you. Yeah. It's like nobody really does that. I don't know. I don't really get it either.

Well, what's funny is I do it. I used to go up on stage at honky tonk. Central. And the guy always knew, he'd be like, Caitlin wants to do a mashup. And I'd always get up there and we'd, they'd just play one tune. And then we would sing like eight different songs to it. And so when I saw you do that, I remember showing my ex. I was like, he does what I do. You could probably do it better than that too. No, no, no, no, no, definitely not. I just feel like every artist has some sort of foundation, like the people, the town, like something that inspired them and that makes you who you are. So did it all start like in your hometown? You were like, I'm going to

be a musician or did you just discover you had a talent later in life and be like I'm going to go after it like how did it all come to be yeah I started a band in eighth grade and we played what was it called it's called below the line okay why below the mason dixon line okay hell yeah um country yeah we played our first gig was like a haunted trail at our high school and some people showed up we sucked but we weren't like that bad i mean eighth grade bands are never like crushing it now we're pretty good for an eighth grade band i think good And I spent all of high school doing that and then just kind of took it into college, four years at Chapel Hill and, you know, just played more and more and I think got better or whatever. And it felt, I don't know, it was, felt that we could move to Nashville and have a chance.

And what year was it that you moved to Nashville? 2018. And did you feel like some sort of calling? Like you were like, Nashville is the country spot or were you like, did you always dream about moving to Nashville? Yeah, I always kind of knew. Yeah. I wanted to go to college and like, I just, I love Carolina. I love Chapel Hill.

I wanted to do that. My brothers did. My dad went there. But I always knew, like, I wasn't going to get a real job. I was going to move to Nashville and try this. I feel like a lot of people, like, I always knew I wouldn't have this. I mean, this is a real job, I guess. But I, like, I knew I wasn't going to do a nine to five traditional job.

Like, I just knew. And my whole family knew. And as soon as I went on The Bachelor, they were like, you would do that. This is how you would start some sort of career going on the Bachelor as a Canadian, too. So it was kind of funny. Well, we're in Canada. I grew up in Ladoek, which is just outside. of Edmonton.

Of Edmonton. You know Brett Kessel, right? I do. Okay, like he's a dear friend of mine. We grew up 30 minutes from each other, but didn't meet till we were both in Nashville. Yeah. Brett is like the sweetest dude. Isn't he the nicest guy and hilarious and just amazing?

I saw you guys did something together once. Yeah, we put out a song together two years ago or something and like played at the CCMAs. And we've just stayed good friends. And like you meet Brett once and you feel like it's like this guy knows about my grandpa. Yes. And, like, he knows my deepest dark. It's secrets. He really, he's that kind of person, which makes him, like, a great friend one,

but a great networker. Yeah. And, like, he just, he's such a people person. And, yeah, that's, and my dad is the same way. And it was so funny because my dad was just here for the last week. And he had a layover in Minnesota going back to Edmonton. And Brett was coming from Edmonton to Nashville. And the layover is always Minnesota.

And they sent me a picture. They, like, ran into each other at the airport. And they're, like, the same person. I'm like, you guys are both the. nicest people I've ever met my life and they just love each other and it was just so cute that they're golden retriever like in the best way yes what do you know about Canada I love Canada you do we spend a lot of time up there really and we just uh we just did Edmonton two weeks ago that was like our last uh show of the year Canadian fans are so great aren't they're awesome yeah so nice they're nice

they're passionate and they like to party yeah and they like they really bring the energy yeah especially Albertans. Yes. And like Edmonton is the prairie people. Absolutely freaking wild. Diabolical. Yeah. It's dangerous. It was like a Tuesday night. This is what it was all going to come back to. Brett Kissel. He told me about the first song he ever wrote when he was like, I don't know, six years old and he remembered it. And then I recreated my song that I wrote to the tune of achy, breaking heart when I was six. And it was about a guy planting flowers with his ass crack showing. Incredible. And it was, I thought the lyrics were genius. Then I wanted to ask you, do you remember the first song you? you ever wrote? Yeah. It was a song called Hope She Sticks Around. How old are you? I was in

eighth grade. Oh my God. Yeah. We played it at our first gig. Was it about a girl that was watching? Was she in the crowd? And you're like, you're like, the song's about Amanda. No, it was just, it was just my feeling, you know? I was trying to, I don't know. You were just doing the singer-songwriter thing. Yeah. It wasn't about a specific girl in your class? No. Oh. I know. I was kind of too afraid to talk to girls. Oh, interesting. So you were like an introvert, but did you feel like an extrovert while you were performing? Yeah. And I wasn't even like that big of an introvert. I just had like no game. Negative game. But in Canada we say you didn't have wheels. Yeah. No, no wheels. No wheels. Okay. Got it. So did you develop that over time or you still got, because you're married now. So some game

came to you. It really worked with my wife. Okay. Somehow. And that is incredible because I still never developed it. I think she just, I think we knew each other long enough where she was like, you know what? I really know this guy. going to give him a chance. He's innocent enough. She was, yeah, out of my league for sure. And it just, it just kind of happened. Aw, that is sweet. Wait, how did you guys meet?

Went to high school together. You did? We did. Oh, I love that shit so much. The high school sweetheart or a girl you've known forever and you have that foundation and then you find each other again? Like, did you always stay in touch or did you just? Yeah, we were like really good friends.

We were part of like the same, you know, best friend group. Yeah. All of high school, pretty much all of college. We didn't start dating until summer after junior year. We both lived up in New York. doing like internships and it just it happened up there wow yeah that's cool crazy was your family like into music does is it like run in the blood or are you a rare bird my grandma was an organ player for her church um killer organ player yeah but like my parents didn't play my brothers didn't

play they're all super athletic but concerts we would always you know go to concerts together I went to my first concert five years old oh really Tom Petty was it Tom Petty that's cool I know I slept the whole time. No, you didn't. You little asshole. And I never got to see him again. I was five. Five. Yeah. Oh my gosh. But it's interesting to me when people are like, you're like, I'm like, I haven't played the organ, but now you have the successful career in music. Well, yeah, it's, I don't know, I think if you're just around it enough. And like concerts,

just they do something to you. And so when you grow up going to that many, and I mean, I probably went to 50 concerts or whatever growing up. And with my dad, we would go to Allman Brothers, ACDC, went to Casey and the Sunshine Band. I mean, just like all over the place. And then country, like Kenny Chess and Eric Churchill, all that stuff. But you just like, I don't know, it makes you feel something so much that you're just like, I want to do that. Well, I do feel like it, like you could see yourself doing it. So I feel like you felt something much different than a lot of other people. Like people feel music, but I feel like people who are like, I see myself doing that.

Concerts just hit differently to you too because you're like, I will do that one day. It was after a kid rock concert in eighth grade. That's when I, that's like why I started my band. Really? Like I was with my parents and my brothers, which is crazy that we went to a kid rock concert. God, I loved a kid rock. And it just, like, rocked my world. I was like, this guy, I want that.

Well, he's so talented. Like, I don't think people were, like, he's an idiot, obviously. But, like, in my opinion, but he's so talented. Like, I remember going to one of his concerts, and he just sat down and, like, did a ballad. He sang and played the piano. And then he just rocked out on his guitar. And then he just, like, he's so talented as a musician. And he's such an entertainer.

Such an entertainer. It was like, it was balls to the wall. And it was a Tuesday in Greensburg, North Carolina. So you know he's doing that everywhere. Yeah. And it was just like, I've never seen anybody care about his fans that much. And then when he did the, you know, $25 tickets, $10 beers thing, it's just he's always, like, loved his fans.

It's true, he does. So do you feel like, was there someone specific that shaped your influence with music? Or was it everyone combined? It was kind of everyone combined. I was kind of all over the place. But like, you know, I knew I wanted to sing country. And I probably went to the most Kenny Chesney concerts growing up and Eric Church. So like those two, just the show they put on.

And that was just, that was kind of my era. Yeah. So I'd say those two guys, but like Toby Keith, I probably listened to the most. Yeah. Dirk's Bentley, Jake Owen and all those guys. But then all the old stuff. Oh my God, Jake Owen, where'd he go? I love Jake Owen.

Where did he go? I don't know. I forgot about him until right now. He was a big deal. Some of my favorite, like, top to bottom records. He's got like two of them. Barefoot Blue Gene Knight and then. Oh, wow, great talk.

God, the one with, I remember the album cover. It was like the greetings from something. but he just had bangers. Yeah, he did have bangers. I'm worried about him. I'm going to go look him up. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but who inspired the everyday hero idea in your song roots?

That's just honestly like, you know, you grow up in your bubble, right? Yeah, yeah. And you kind of have your community and the people you know. But as I've kind of toured around and just done all these like fairs and festivals and clubs and these small cities and places that I would maybe never visit, you just kind of, you see a whole different part of the country and it's awesome yeah that is that's what america is yeah it's just that songs for all those people that's cool oh i like that that's nice uh do you ever think back i'm kind of all over the place but i love it okay good it keeps a fun it's really good for

people of ADHD like myself um do you have a childhood memory that makes you laugh childhood memory that makes me laugh like i think about i'm just thinking about when you know i remember uh friend of mine had a band in high school and they sang me happy birthday and I remember thinking I was like the coolest girl on the planet because the band was singing to me but like and then I think back on to what I was talking about with Brett and the words that I would make up in my head for a song and I'm just like what I was such a weirdo little kid and I have so many childhood memories that I'm just like I wonder what my parents thought like now I feel like they'd be like maybe a symptom of autism ADHD I don't know because I know I've got it yeah yeah I'm there's something and I just think back on my childhood

and I go, I'm really glad I was like that because I feel like it gave me a personality today. But I'm just like, I don't know. I just always like to see if somebody has a funny childhood memory. This might not count as childhood, but like, I think it was like 17. And we're, I mean, it was like the week before school started or something. And me and like seven dudes went to Sugar Ray and Smash Mouth concert in Greensboro. And it was one of those 90s tours. And they were like, if it's a 5,000 person amphitheater, there were probably like 500 people there.

And so they called everybody up to, like, get right by the stage. And we just had, like, drank the whole way there, sober driver, of course. But we're just a bunch of hammered high schoolers, like, with Mark McGrath, like, right there, like, sweating on us. And that's the coolest I've ever felt, probably. Yeah, you were in the splash zone. Yeah, it was awesome. That's funny. Okay, when I personally think about the holidays, I think about those tiny little magical moments with my dogs.

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She's one. One? Oh yeah. So she's crazy. Oh, she's a beast. Oh my gosh. Okay. We'll get there because I do want to talk about like the viral TikTok just because I feel like

that's so a non-traditional music path and especially in Nashville. But you really built your audience from the ground up. sharing your life, your songs, your personality online, which I think is cool, too, because a lot of times we get to know people's music, but not who they are, like, their personality. So, like, if you could describe it, how did TikTok change your career? I mean, it was everything, really, because we had had some songs, like, on playlist and, like, a couple songs that streamed well or whatever, but, like, I didn't have fans. Right.

And so to, like, be able to get on an app and remember my first viral video, I saw, like, more followers come in in two hours than I had on, you know, Facebook, Instagram, by in my whole life. Wow. And so it just like it felt really real. And then it just kind of kept going and kept building and we kept trying new things, trying new songs. Yeah. Then suddenly we went on tour and these people showed up. Isn't that crazy? Oh my God. There were 300 people here. Wow. And they like, they know me and the two people I was tour with Thomas Mac, Alexander Kay. They know our songs. Yeah. And so it really like, I don't know, just allowed us to reach people directly, which we couldn't really do before. Right. And just kind of build a

organic grassroots thing and now so many you know not that we were the first to do it or anything but we were kind of in the early wave now everything that kind of pops off or breaks out or has a big moment the biggest songs it's all social media stemmed a lot of times so do you think there's like a trick to going viral or like I'll see things go viral where I'm like if I did that I'd have two views and people'd be like what's wrong with you but like is there a trick to going viral did you notice something in the algorithm and you're like because one video pops off. Then you're like, do I just keep sticking to my little niche? The second I think I like haven't figured out, I just, then it all explodes. And I want to

throw my phone against a wall like every day. It's just always changing. Yeah. I mean, if you can get people to like watch your video like to its entirety, that seems to always work. Yeah. But then like how do you do that? Mashups. Exactly. Do really weird shit. It's like this podcast. It's just a big mashup of different topics that I just throw at you randomly. That's why people listen, are you still there? I mean, still here? Did you ever feel like pressure then to keep up with social media? Like, did you feel like, oh, great, now social media is my full-time career as well?

Or did you just really enjoy doing it? I certainly don't like enjoy it. Like, I never had social media until I started doing music. Like I hated Instagram, Facebook, all that stuff. But then like, it's just part of the job. Yeah. And it's, you have to do it. And there's time in the day to do it.

And you just make time. and you know that you have to do it to do this other stuff that you really like doing. Yeah, that's true. It's like a little portal for you to get it out there so people know what you're doing, can sing along. And I love, like, connected with people is why we do this. So like if that's, if you do it by social media, that's awesome.

If you do it in person at a show, that's awesome. As long as, I don't know, as long as you can do that. Did you like see, because you know how you see yourself in Nashville? You saw yourself doing music. Did you see yourself like getting such a big online following or was that a huge shock too? Huge shock. Really?

Yeah. I was like, why the hell are these people following me? This is wild. That's funny. Do you get like, I feel like this is a very human thing

on social media. Do you compare your videos to other videos and be like, damn it, that one got more likes? Why did this one get more? Or do you try and ignore the numbers? Yeah,

I really try, but it's impossible. Yeah, I know. You're just always like comparing and looking at like, why did, like, I like, I like this song, but why did this song,

like, do so much better? Or like, why didn't either of these do well, but like, a mashup video that I posted 10 times. Why did that do well again? It's all, it's... And it's a guessing game because you don't know. Yeah, and it's timing and it's algorithm stuff.

True. At the end of the day, if it's, if people like it and it connects to them, like, I do think that eventually, no matter what kind of breaks through the cracks. Do you deal with any online hate? Oh, for sure. Really? Yeah. Look at me.

Come on. People are jealous of that. No, it's the... It's the outfit. bits and the, you know, it's just, I do some goofy shit sometimes. And my songs are off the wall a lot of times. I think that means you've made it if you have haters. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like you need haters to keep going. You do. Yeah. I think there's like a positive spin on it. It took a while for me to get to that point. It took me 10 years. Yeah.

Yeah. I definitely took a long time to figure that out. But like, I was always like, what the hell, man? Now I'm like, when there's no hate, I'm like, shit, I better have a scandal. I better do something stupid. I kind of do something shocking. My Reddit thread. is tired. Nobody's talking. No, I don't look at those. But yeah, people, it's just so interesting

because I'm like, I look at other people online. I'm like, I would look at someone like you and be like, there's no way he gets hate because it's goofy, it's fun, you're a dude, you're doing fun things, but that's crazy. You do. Yeah, and it's not like a ton, I guess, or maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Right now, like half the comments are all like scammers and bots and all that stuff. So I don't even look through my comments. Like almost every one of my posts I do, I'll see that. And I'm like, oh, God, I just delete it or I try and block people, but they show up. I have to. They never stop.

You can't stop them. You can't make a dent. It's crazy. They are unstoppable. It's crazy. And then I'm like, do I leave it because it's good for like engagement? Because somebody comments something. Or do I delete it?

Because I'm like, that's weird. And I don't want my dad reading some of these things. I don't know. Maybe your dad wouldn't watch the story. I don't know. How do you balance authenticity with the pressure to perform online? I think if it, I mean, if it's taught, me anything and I don't really know anything but I know what I know I guess is that the people on

there want you to be authentic. Yes. So if anytime I post something, you know, it has to feel authentic to me for me to like leave it up or like feel good about posting it. So I think like that's just kind of become one thing. It does feel like a tricky thing for a lot of people because sometimes you see well this worked for somebody else so I'm going to try it and then it feels performative, but I like that answer because I think authenticity online is like the most important thing. And I do feel like that's how you grow like such a fan base in an audience who like believes in you is because you're showing up authentically all the time. Yeah. And people have always had like, or this person, I'm not a social media artist. Like how

does that work? It's like, well, you can be. Yeah. As if you're just yourself. And yourself might not be like super loud and bubbly or like energetic. It might be, you know, more quiet. and that's your thing but like there's a total big piece of the pie for that yeah and there are a lot of people that want to see that so just kind of as long as you're yourself I agree I also there I mean there's always a line but like Carrie Underwood for example is so shy in person and then on stage she's just this vocal beast with this confident personality and I'm like I would want to know because she doesn't do like too much like social media as in like you know how we might have to where you show up and you like share your life stories and she's like on another level

But I would be curious what she would be like on like to do a viral TikTok trend like I wonder what her personality would be because she is two different very different people one on stage and one off stage Which I think is cool because it's like she she gets to be yeah and she's such a beast on stage. Oh it's ridiculous Unbelievable it really is I mean just seeing her at the opera the other night I just stood backstage and I just my jaw was dropped the whole time because I'm like how does she even do that? Yeah like while looking like an absolute 10 as well and she's been doing it for a long time and still like is just peak performance yeah it's unbelievable yeah she's really got quite the career um tell her i said she's awesome next time you see you know what i will i'll just i'll text her after this and let her know yeah do you think like i i mean obviously there's challenges and you did get a viral video but what are some of the biggest challenges of building a fan base independently online at consistency yeah and just like they're the natural like dips yeah and

there's some big dips and views and all that stuff. Yeah. But just like pushing through those and just... Do you delete them when they do bad? I private them. I was told a long time ago not to delete videos. Turn them on private. I don't know why. I didn't know you could do that. You got to throw a lot of flops and there's nothing. I'm not going to, that's dramatic.

It's humbling. Yeah. You just like you think this is the best post ever. This is the best song I've ever written. Put it out and just ass. I did an Instagram reel like three days ago where I was like this is going to go nuts on Instagram

and it was because you know how Leonardo DiCaprio always wears his hat like down to his nose or do you not know that? I say I don't know that that's where my problem is

maybe I just I just find it so funny every time there's a photo of him his hat is like down to here and you're like we still know it's you like there's photographers like following you like crazy people screaming

but he always has his hat down like to a point where I'm like, that's uncomfortable and how do you see where you're going? And so I was like, I was reading a book outside the other day. And I was like, oh, this will be so funny. I was like, normal people reading a book. And I was just reading my book with my hat on. And then it was Leonardo DeCaprio reading a book.

And my hat was like down here. It flopped to the worst flop I've ever had in my history of flopping on Instagram. I did. It was like three weeks ago. I dressed up like Napoleon Dynamite full costume. I learned the dance. I put in like probably three hours of learning the dance time. And I did it.

I had my videographer. come over and we set up lights like we did the whole thing in the garage and I was like this is it this is an awesome video this is hilarious it was like tied into like the album announced like this is going to skyrocket and flopped the most

I've ever had anything flop and so if you think that's stupid imagine dressing up in a wig and glasses and vote for Pedro shirt yeah that's tough I would have appreciated it if I saw it yeah yeah but how many people saw it yeah and then you're like what is it because

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your like songs back to you do you remember that that first time it happening yes it was it was the second city on that first tour we did it was louisville was that just like magical moment do you feel like the rock star did you feel like kid rock I did feel like Kid Rock a little bit. I felt like I had the Pimp Jacket on with the cane walking out like Kid Rock. Yeah, it was sick. That's amazing. I feel like that's such a moment for anyone who performs. I mean, you play a lot of cover band gigs for so many years. And so, you know,

you hear other songs and when it's yours, it's just it hits different. It's when you know it's sort of real. Yeah, it does hit different. Okay, your debut album, Winston-Salem, obviously where you grew up. Okay, it's split into two sides. Tell me about this. kind of a like side a side B yeah yeah yeah Winston is like more storytelling kind of deep emotional life stuff and Salem is crazy shit oh that's cool yeah it's like getting the full like spectrum of like who you are like is it is it a personal album or is it for fun or it was both oh it's

both the first side's definitely like super personal a lot of just really like what I'm you know going through stuff having a baby and you know parent stuff family stuff life stuff but then I've always like done weird like kind of off the wall sonic stuff for just kind of crazy songs. Oh, that's fun. That's a lot of our show too. So that's kind of the second side of it. So it's all me just put into one thing. Do you find it hard to be vulnerable in life compared to like, like I would feel like in

life it's hard, but writing music it's easier. Do you feel that way? Yeah. Yeah. Do you find it hard to be vulnerable in general like when writing these kinds of songs that are so personal? Not really. Oh, good.

I don't know. I think people are just kind of down for. it. Yeah. Or at least they're like being nice to my face. No, people are down for it. I think and like fans like it. Yes. That's just kind of, I don't know, the social media stuff has, I feel like made people dig a little bit deeper, which is cool. So you feel like maybe like one's more reflective and one's more party? Yeah. Which one did you write first? Mostly reflective. Like I had 10 songs cut and they're all pretty reflective and we still added some after that to that side. But that was going to be the record and then we just listened to it and it's like this this is awesome i love this

but this is like half half of me so that's when we kind of went back and that's why there are 20 songs on it can you tell me the story behind um hard acre uh that's one of my favorites i love that song that title just uh one of the other guys i was writing him with is it like hard acre and hard acre exactly oh smart you're a genius yeah i didn't come up with it somebody else did uh i think it was Derek Barr's idea. I wrote a Zach Kale just petting him. And we just kind of toyed around with it and sort of landed on that story of like the older man passing down the house to somebody more like my age, kind of starting the family.

And it wasn't like that wasn't what I went through when I bought my first house. But it just kind of resembled where I am in life and like trying to, I don't know, in this next phase of life, slow down, cherish all the moments. I mean, it goes by so fast. Everybody says that. But like I feel like I was in college. a year ago and it was actually kind of a long time ago I know people say that but until you are in the matrix and you're like oh you don't believe them because time feels so slow when you're in

like even my 20s I was like I feel like my 20s went by so slow it took me forever to get 30 and then I blinked and I was 40 and then I'm assuming that's just going to get worse and I swear something like the earth is rotating at a faster pace something's going on we went back to chapel hill for the opening football game and I remember being in college and like guys come around and be like, who's that 30-year-old? And then we were walking around, and I could tell people were looking at us, like, who are those 30-year-olds? And they wouldn't, like, give us a beer at the fraternity party.

It was crazy. You're kidding. I know. Why? I don't know. Did you say, do you follow me on TikTok? No, that's how you get your ass cut out. Oh, yeah, I would never.

Speaking of, like, being vulnerable and stuff, did you ever doubt yourself during this album? For sure. You did? Like yesterday. Really? Yeah, all the time. Oh. But that's what artists do.

I feel like that's a very artist thing to do. Yeah. It's like one second you think you're the man and you got it all figured out. Yeah. Like two days later, you're like, I should probably just quit. But it all evens out to a good place, I think. Yeah. You doubt yourself like every other artist.

How do you get through that feeling? Even if something like flops or doesn't work, like say we put out this record and nobody listens to it, then it's like... Life goes on. What are we going to do? Quit. We're just going to like try again. Right. And it's never like, nothing's ever the end of the world.

I feel like there's this trend where there's like a top screen video and then a bottom screen video and it's like the same exact video happening and it said life if they like you and life if they don't like you. And it just means like you're still doing the same thing. Life still moves on. They either like it or they don't. I'm not going to go home. So it's all going to be fine. What track do you think fans will be most surprised by? There's a song called Alive on there that's like a rap song. And I cannot rap at all. But it kind of works. in this. Just wait. Okay. But I think it actually ended up pretty cool. But it's definitely like the probably most out there thing I've done. Is it like a party starter? No.

It's like a very like things I get pissed about sort of thing. Oh, funny. What do you get pissed about? Not a whole lot. Okay. Those short songs. Those three minutes are about all there is. Well, like give me an example of one of the lines.

It's like, it's kind of political a little bit. So, like, it talks about, like, the ditty stuff. Really? Yeah. All that stuff. Oh, you go there? I did. Do you feel nervous about that? No.

Oh, great. I feel like everybody can get behind that being kind of. Everyone can be very wrong. As long as you're saying that you're not on P. Diddy's side, I think you're good. Yeah, very, very anti. P. Diddy. That's fun. I love a rap.

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And like you said, it goes so fast. So you're like trying to be present in your marriage, being a dad, using your platform to support mental health, which I love, and writing all this music and trying to stay focused. Do you feel like marriage influence your writing at all? 100%. Really? Yeah. I mean, my wife is awesome. Unbelievable. The rock of the family, backbone of the family. Just any positive thing about our family is her, for sure. You know, it influences a lot of the songs, at least the good ones, are about her. And just kind of what I'm going through with the with the baby and all that stuff like my favorite song on the record is a song called starting

to show which is just about going through this whole thing of her being pregnant and going through that together but yeah she is uh she's everything and um it makes it i don't know i i don't really have any clue what i'm about to be getting into although i know i'm ready but like i got no idea what i'm doing but she does and so if we can just if i just follow her her and it's all going to be okay oh follow her lead she's like the rock that's so cute all true How has her pregnancy been? She has handled it like a champ. Rocking it.

She's not a complainer in general, but she like hasn't complained once. And I know she's going through it. I mean, it's impossible not to when you're going through that. But she's a beast. I am such a complainer. I would use it as every excuse on planet Earth to get me what I want. I'm a musician. I'm chief complainer.

We complain professionally. That's, yeah. Oh my gosh. Interesting. What about like mental health? because I do like, it's one of my favorite things when people talk about mental health. I don't know what that says about me, but your journey with mental health, did it influence your music?

A little bit. Yeah. I write about it some. Like the record has a few songs on there that kind of touch on it. But it's just something I've kind of dealt with, like really since college. Yeah. Probably. Oh, really?

It happened in college. Yeah. I just, it was so weird. I just started thinking I was like having a heart attack all the time. And I don't really know what that means. meant, but like my guy that lived next door to me had to take me to the hospital one time. And of course I wasn't having a heart attack. I was having a panic attack. 20 years old. It was having a panic attack.

Yeah, but you never, you don't know that. I feel like at 20 you don't know. People don't understand what anxiety feels like if you don't have it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So you went to the hospital. Yeah. And it was obviously everything was fine. Yeah. And they gave me a pill that made me feel awesome. Yeah. I know those. Yeah. So then anxiety went away. Yeah. But, no, it's just always kind of been there a little bit and, I don't know, learning to deal with it and, like, actually, I don't work on it constructively and productively instead of just letting it sit there, like, using it as an excuse and all that stuff. It's been really valuable to have good people around me that have kind of led me there. And so when we wanted to do a foundation, it made sense to make it mental health focused. Yeah, that's, so what is the foundation called?

It's a Cooper Allen Foundation. Very clever. Love it. How can people get involved? March 27th, 28th is our next event. We do like one big event a year. 28th, we're playing at the Ryman. Cool.

So if people buy tickets to that, a lot of proceeds go there. That's cool. There's also, if anybody wants to, like, give a lot of money, you can be, you know, do the whole weekend with us. And it's a big event thing. And we're doing veterans mental health this year. Oh, awesome. Yeah. That's really cool.

I want to touch on that because that's amazing. But what are three things, like three things that you do if you're going to be? through something with your mental health? Like, what do you do to ground yourself? Faith has been really, really big. Yeah. And I was always a, you know, Christian faithful person, but really this year and a lot from the direction of Halley,

which is my wife. Yeah. Just getting into it a lot more this year. And just kind of making that the basis of everything has really helped. Yeah, I bet. Exercise, for sure. And I'm a big, like, UNC fan. So, like, watching college sports.

I mean, I get pissed off more than I'm like happy watching it, but it does help me. It does something for you. It gets me out of music, which is kind of good. Yeah, that's, I come alive when I watch hockey. Yeah. Hockey's sick. It really is. I really, I hate the Florida Panthers.

Me? No, sorry, whoa. That was a different person. I was like, me too. Because my team's the Edmonton Oilers. Oh, yeah. So they have been beat out twice in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and I was there for both, and I'm still traumatized. So thank you.

I'm really passionate about that, as you can tell. Yeah, I'm a Hurricanes fan. So, like, they beat us every year before the Stanley Cup playoffs. And it's like, they're just so good. And so I feel like me and Edmonton people have connected on that hatred. Yeah. Okay. This makes sense. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, I need to calm down and take a couple breaths.

I think steam just came out of my ears. But, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Becoming a dad in December, does that give you, like, excitement? in peace or does that also bring up a lot of fear and nerves for you? There's definitely been some like fear and nerves, but mostly excitement. Just because I'm the youngest brother. Both my brothers have kids. I've gotten to watch them do it. Okay. Hally's so good with kids that like it just takes a lot of the anxiety

way about it. It's going to be interesting like when we start touring next year, kind of what that looks like. But we're going to figure it out. Yeah. I mean, babies can go on buses. Exactly. It's a rumor. Rumor hasn't that babies can go on buses, but I don't know. Do you like that to her life? I do. Yeah. The travels, you know, can be a lot or whatever.

Yeah. But it's like, I feel like I'm doing a kid's job. I know. I'm out there playing shows and like, there's really not a lot to complain about. I get that. What's the most surprising thing that's happened for preparing for a baby? Well, we're going to start spending a lot of time in North Carolina. We're like splitting time.

Oh, yeah? Starting soon. So I didn't really see that one coming this soon. Oh, that's cool. But like all our families are all there. That'll be nice. Yeah. I mean, being close to family with a baby is so helpful.

Yeah. And just like, like you said, spending time around like your people just does something for your aura. Winston Salem's a magical place. I know everybody says that about their hometown, but it is. Would this be somewhere I've been? Maybe. Like when I drive to Charlotte, would I go through that? Not from here, but it's only like an hour 15 north.

You would know if you drove through Winston. And our biggest building is just giant, like, penis-shaped building. Oh. You can look it up. It's not a lie. Oh, my God. It's huge, too. Really?

Yeah. Okay. What about if I drove to New Jersey? Still now. Okay. If you drove to Raleigh or to, like, Wilmington, like the coast of North Carolina, you'd drive through it. Okay.

Got it. I wanted to circle back to the Cooper Allen Foundation. You're doing this year for vets. So you pick something different every year? Yeah. It's always mental health. Yeah. Last year we did just like a general mental health facility in Charlotte.

Yeah. That's where the event was. And this year, it kind of felt right to do the veterans' mental health thing. Yeah. So what I wanted to ask was how to, if people want to find tickets and go to the Riemann and do all this stuff, is it, do you have a website or do they just go to your social media? If you go to Cooper Allen.com or whatever, you can click the foundation tab. And there are ways to give, you know, any amount big or small is also.

Yeah. Everybody go do that right now. You can stop the podcast. I don't care. Just go to donate. Yeah. Okay, last thing is I usually ask people for a confession of an embarrassing story, a funny moment in your life, something that you would like to get off your chest,

that you've never shared before. Got a lot that I want to get off my chest. Well, this is your time. How much time do you have? As long as you need. Played a whole show with my fly open once? No. That was kind of wild.

And like I tucked my shirt in, so it was like very, you know. Fly open the whole show? Oh, nobody told you? No. Oh. People were kind of looking at me. And I just, I thought, like, wow, I've got a good world going on here.

Yeah. Damn, something's working. Yeah. But no, it was just, it was just taking. I mean, I go to the bathroom 500 times a day, so it's always bound to happen. How do you last on stage without having to go to the bathroom? By the end, I'm dying. Oh, really?

Yeah, every time. That's funny. Yeah. It's a weird thing. My dad's like the same way. Really? Yeah. Just got a little baby bladder?

A little baby bladder. So how did you find out after the show you went in the mirror? Did people start sending you? videos. When it just saw it after I was like, damn, that was it the whole time. There was, somebody could have said something. I feel like you, I don't know you, but I feel like your reactions to things, this is how I picture it happening.

Oh, that's embarrassing. Was that pretty much how it went? Yeah. Yeah. What are you going to be like in the delivery room? I think a wreck. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't. That everything is going to be just, yeah, a cry a lot. I cry just listening to people tell me their birth stories. Yeah. I feel like that is like one of the most like empowering moments for a woman to be in that room. Yeah. Like life changing. Well, for dads too, but like, no.

Well, especially for the first time like this because obviously first baby. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited for you. It's going to be awesome. Oh my God. I hope she's a Capricorn.

Me too. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Well, thank you so much for coming here and doing this podcast. Thank you so much. chaotic energy in here today, but that's okay. He got great dogs.

They got great dogs. Their energy is quite calm now, which is nice. This is how it goes at the end of the podcast. They really settle down. Yeah. This November, action is free on Pluto TV. Go on the run with Jack Reacher. Every suspect was a train killer.

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