Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Dave Neal | Bachelor Clayton Echard HOAX Paternity Scandal Pt. 2

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

#721. Join Kaitlyn Bristowe and Dave Neal for Part 2 of the thrilling conclusion of the year's most jaw-dropping con-story. In this episode, Dave and Kaitlyn dissect the intricacies of the Clayton Echards paternity case, questioning motives and unraveling the truth behind the courtroom drama to extortion attempts, every twist and turn leaves listeners gasping for more. From fabricated evidence using identical metadata to attempts at dismissal, Dave exposes the lengths to which the con-artist, “Jane Doe” went to deceive. Listeners are taken on a journey through legal battles, emotional turmoil, and chilling revelations, INCLUDING Dave playing LIVE a phone call with law enforcement and the FBI. Don't miss this gripping conclusion to the year's most shocking hoax, as Kaitlyn Bristowe and Dave Neal peel back the layers of deception and leave listeners questioning everything they thought they knew!! Episode Highlights: 3:58: Dave Neal uncovers a shocking revelation as he exposes how identical metadata was used to fabricate evidence with this new character “Chase Jay Jones” and “Jane Doe”. 8:28: Dave Neal shares the Live recording of the FBI phone call about the case. 20:45: Clayton's Controversial Instagram story that sparked controversy 34:20 Jane Doe now says she is “No Longer Pregnant” 55:05: The episode reaches a climax as the judge's inquiry into miscarriage claims uncovers inconsistencies, revealing the deceptive tactics. Come See Me On The Pour Decisions Tour!! BUY YOUR TICKETS HERE! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! The Farmer's Dog: See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Okay, let's talk about the original enemies to lovers story. Before all of our reality TV couples, before the rom-coms, we binge, there was Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy in pride and prejudice. And Audible has just dropped a brand new original that will have you completely hooked, I am. It's not just any audiobook. This is a full cast performance. So Marisa Abella, you might know her from industry, brings Elizabeth Bennett to life.

And Harris Dickinson from Baby Girl and Where the Crawdads sing is Mr. Darcy. And honestly, the chemistry, you guys, it's everything. Plus, you've got icons like Glenn Close, Bill Nye and Will Polter in the mix. Talk about a dream cast. Now, what I love is how Marissa pulls you right into Lizzie's world, her stubbornness, her wit, her messy family dynamics, and of course, her complicated feelings for Darcy. And with a vibrant new adaptation and original score by Grammy-nominated composer, it just feels so fresh and modern while still keeping that timeless Jane Austen charm.

So whether it's your first time experiencing pride and prejudice or you've read it a million times, you're going to fall absolutely in love all over again. So go listen to Pride and Prejudice now at audible.ca slash Jane Austen. Okay, don't hit skip before we start today's podcast. I'm really excited. This is a personal, exciting thing for me. I wanted to quickly let you guys know about my upcoming Off the Vine tour called Poor Decisions. P-O-U-R-Doy wine will be drank. I'm back on the road.

For the first leg of our tour, I'm coming through the good old. Midwest. For the second half, I'll be headed to the southeast. So I'm going Columbus, Cleveland, Ohio, Atlanta, Madison, Des Moines, Kansas City, Columbia, Missouri, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville. I'm coming to all you beautiful people. These podcast tours are always a highlight of my year because there's just no other way to put it than it's just pretty damn fun. I get to hang out with you in person. It's just the energy is electric. It's just insane. Like leaving those live podcasts, I'm like, whoa, that felt like an empowerment. session. I feel elevated. The vibrations don't get me started on how high those are. So check out my website, Caitlin Bristow.com to buy tickets for those who join me. I can guarantee a little dancing, a lot of laughing, wine, lots of wine. Even if you're pregnant. I've had pregnant, sober people come to my show and say it was still fun. They bring their boyfriends, their husbands, and I even see them smiling at the end of it. So let's toast to that. I'll see you on tour. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now starting.

and why it will be? Hey, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Today I have Dave Neal, and he's got the lowdown on a very, now personal to you, story. I'm not going to do this justice of how you got here. So I want you to explain to everybody who you are

And how you got to the position you're in right now? I'm just a niche YouTuber who's a stand-up comedian with a podcast called Bachelor Rush Hour. I just made content about The Bachelor Nation, pop culture, other news. And what stumbled upon to me is what I believe to be the greatest con story of the year. And if not more than that. And that's kind of what I wanted to share and expose to you. Well, you sure did. We've already done the podcast.

So I don't have words right now. So you just buckle up and listen. We leave off now with Chase J. Jones. Okay. We subpoena Chase J. Jones. Tell us who the fuck you are. Yeah. We now have the subpoena.

This is great. I can bring it to Patreon and say, oh, I got your subpoena now. I got a lawyer. We paid money. Let's do it. They go, they get back to me to, you know, we couldn't find Chase J. Jones in your records.

I said, what are you talking about? I have an email right here, October 19. He joined. Where's the $5? He paid $5. And I thought, how great would this be if the big smoking gun is a $5 stupid payment made? And Chase J. Jones, and again, my Patreon has blown up during this time because of people supporting me on a grassroots level. Chase J. Jones slithered into someone else's account or changed their name.

We look them up. The emails from Chase J. Jones trace back to Paris, France. Isn't that nice, Paris, France? So they're using a VPN, right? Send in it from Paris. You can send it from Budapest or wherever the hell. They should have chose, like, Georgia. They should have chose somewhere that was in the U.S.

that could have been Howard University, whatever. So we go, all right, well, then we look into where their actual address is. We subpoenaed them for their address. It comes back to Seattle. And then you look into that PO box in Seattle. It's a virtual PO box, which means you and I can just have a Seattle address right now. You can just create a virtual address. It goes there.

They scan your mail and email it to you. Who the hell is Chase Jay Jones? Clearly, this guy doesn't exist. We look at the metadata. So here's what we know. We know Jane Doe sent a fake... pregnancy ultrasound. Yeah.

So she exported that from whatever computer she's using. The metadata will show the codec and all these fancy words that will tell you like the fingerprint of what type of device it was sent from, which was like an older Macbook. Nothing completely rare, but specific enough. You know, it narrows it down. Chase J. Jones used the same exact metadata to send the video of Clayton dancing to the N-word. So, okay, okay, we're getting there. We're connecting some dots.

All right. Well, the domain for Chase J. Jones comes out of Phoenix, Arizona. Why the hell is a student who goes to Howard in Phoenix, Arizona? And to be quite honest... Which is where Jay Doe is, everybody. Oh, yeah. Did I mention that? That's where Jane Doe lives. So that's almost as close as we could get with Chase J. Jones. But it's been a sort of like the white whale kind of who the hell is Chase J. Jones.

So we get in touch with Chase J. Jones. They got an email. They have a couple they've emailed me with. And by the way, they don't want to eat, they don't want to be a part of anything. We say, hey, we would like to subpoena you for, you know, information you might have as to who Jane Doe is because I'm being sued for harassment and we think it's right to know that if you're Chase J. Jones and the person and Chase J. Jones files paperwork to quash the subpoena, which is to strike it down saying, I don't want to be a part of it. And here's how, here's, judges don't just rule on things. So the subpoena like just lives in the internet and you can just decline it. And you go, well, what's the recourse? And I guess maybe a judge could decide that there is a recourse, but in this case, no recourse. So my lawyer, just genius guy goes, all right, listen, you know, the first attempt at Chase J. Jones to quash the subpoena, which is their attempt to say, I don't want to be a part of this.

The first attempt was denied because of like a clerical reason. And my lawyer said, you're doing this all wrong. You know, you got to fill out paper. He said, you're doing it wrong. He was like, just FaceTime me and we'll drop it as long as you just show who you are. You don't even need to show us that you're Chase J. Jones. Just show us that you're not Jane Doe. Three times in a row, we told him that.

Just get on a call. You can literally be taking a shit right now and just show us something that you're not, nothing. Holy shit. And that's where it stands until my lawsuit, which we'll get to, but it's a little off the timeline. Okay, and in the meantime, I get an email or my lawyer does saying, well, the FBI clearly finds this interesting because they're investing. investigating Dave Neal, me. They said to my lawyer, and you're going, oh, geez, okay, we're getting the FBI involved. The only thing I know about the FBI is the X-Files, right?

So I'm just imagining like Dana, just going to come to Dana, Mulder, whatever it is. Mulder, Scully, right, Dana, whatever. So you get the point. So I'm like, all right, I kind of like a lady in a trench coat here, here we go. And I'm thinking of them investigating me, and my lawyer had to contact the district attorney who said, no, we're not investigating them. But the district attorney did respond an email to her. and she basically goes, there's a guy making 80 videos about me, don't you find this interesting, or something like that.

I don't know what she said, but on their end, they respond, we do find it troubling that he would be harassing you like this. So my lawyer is like, are you kidding me? You're giving her proof. You're giving her like ammunition that my client's doing the wrong thing when you haven't even heard any evidence. She did this to Liz Neptune, who's a content creator in Florida, a black content creator.

And I'm bringing race into this because there are multiple people of color that have been involved in this, that she has tormented including the contractor in Arizona who's a Native American different story. Different story where he had to end up paying her over $100 grand or whatever. It's a whole story. Not

a personal, not a sexual story, but a story where he was manipulated as well, that information is a whole different chapter in the book. So she did the same thing where Brower County, Florida, responded to her saying, yeah, it does sound like this content creator's harassing you. She

uses that evidence. And like they don't know that they're feeding into her game. So when I initially said, oh, I don't care if she gets a restraining order. My lawyer is like, you care because she's going to weaponize that, the way she weaponized all these other restraining orders, which works privately, but when you look at the bigger picture, you go, all right, ombre, like, you're, you're the same working. So at that point, and I don't receive this until recently, I find out that there's phone call evidence of the FBI, and it's not exactly shocking, but it's evidence that they are aware

of the shit she's pulling. I get an email from her saying, Dave, if you keep doing this and I hurt myself, the blood is on your hands. And she said this multiple times. So she says this to me. I don't share it. I get this email at like 11 p.m. I'm about to go to bed. It's like Thanksgiving weekend or whenever it was. I'm like, oh, I'm just sitting a wide eye. Like, oh boy. And but then I find out she did this to all of her other victims and it's clearly boy who called Wolf, but I'll play it for you right now. This is the phone call, I believe October 4th, from the FBI calling the Scottsdale police letting them know they're kind of on to what's going on here. Hi, my name is Hannah Clark. I'm calling from the FBI's National Threat Operation Center

in West Virginia, and I'm calling to give you guys some pass-phone information and to request a welfare check on an individual. She put in an electronic tip, so she did one through the FBI website, and it's a very long tip. talks about how she's being harassed and defamed online by other individuals, but there is one sentence that she puts in here where she states, I have written to Mr. Neal on at least two occasions telling him that his false portrayal of me publicly has left me at times feeling borderline suicidal. So it's for the vague suicidal comments. It seems like she has a history of making reports to the Scottsdale Police Department from what I have found.

so I edited out some you know other filler info there but she the FBI in Virginia shout out to Hannah Clark here is like all right we like we have they have to call in the threat but but Jane Doe's telling on herself because I'm not even I wasn't even using her own her own threats of self-harm against her exposing that I was just like letting that die down and then she then brings it into her first article that she goes public so all of this is private. And by the way, I want to get to the public part because that's when it takes a real turn. It takes a real turn when she goes public. But on November 4th or second is when we get the results of the injunction against harassment, which is where a judge decides in Clayton's

favor that she's harassing the hell out of him. The court finds reasonable evidence of harassment of the plaintiff. The judge goes on to say, you created 500 messages, dozens of email addresses. He's asked you to stop and her argument was well he would unblock me tell me to stop and then re-block me so he was playing the game too and the judge's like i ain't having it and she's still pregnant at this point she claims she is we'll later find out that she may not be but according to the timeline we know she's 24 weeks pregnant she's pretty pregnant she's about as and by the way i've been told when you're pregnant with twins that 40 week period might shrink to 36 or whatever so you don't even go the full period right so christmas hits us you know how it gets we're enjoying

Christmas. We don't have time for this nonsense. We got, you know, Santa Claus and this and that. You're grinding with Santa Claus or whatever the hell you're doing over there. Galen's having a party. And then she writes this, I don't call it, manifesto. I don't know what you'd call it, but she writes this article December 20th. That explains how she's the victim of cyberbullying. And at this point, you asked earlier, what's there to gain? And I've said this before. It's the lab grown manufacturing of victimhood. It's a Jussie Smollett story is to gain. Jesse Smollett, for those that don't know, he shows up saying he was a victim of a hate crime with a noose still around his neck, like loosely aren't his neck. He weaponized a crazy dark time in all accounts did it because he wanted more, I don't know, you know, no one even

knows, like, dude, you had a good career going for you. He still claims, and he's a good example that he didn't do it, but like, that's where the evidence points, right? So you go, well, she already had victim number one, which she made a TEDx talk. Well, that probably felt pretty good. It probably felt pretty good for people to go, you're so brave, this is amazing. Those are nice people. She prayed on them. So now she's going to pray on or trying to tell a story where I'm the bad guy.

The story she shares on December 20th has my name all over. I mean, you can see my name right there. Dave Neal is this, his videos, he's desensitized. My life has changed after witnessing how cruel people can be. She goes on and on. I'm anxious about how people might perceive me once I share my story. But holding all this inside hurts. and she still, I think addresses she's pregnant.

I'm not sure I don't have the full article. I can't read it. This makes me physically sick. Just finding out this exists is like rough. And then I go, all right, I find out at night. And I go, you know, it's Christmas, right? I go, all right, tomorrow morning, I'm going to read it live on camera. People can see, I'm going to force myself to read what I'm up against and people can see

the tone and timber of my voice here. Yeah. She ends in bold going in the face of relentless cyberbullying. I yearn for the torment to cease, hoping that someday my story will speak louder than the falsehoods and the strength I find within will reclaim the identity they sought to shatter. So, I was waiting for that moment. So, that was a good one. So there's the game plan.

And I go, and I go, okay, I, I naturally have always, I can fight my own battles. So I read that and I feel, I go, I know my audience is going to feel a certain way. Clayton Eckerd, his lawyers, everyone reads this, and they get really upset. Yeah. Because they know now, unless, unless some metaphorical. you know just you know kill the bag unless unless we strike this down they're next it's going to be the story about how in three it might be three years from now right right she got her first story where she went to rakevick with this evil man she got that story published in chicken soup for the

soul holy shit so she's i don't know what she's pipelining i didn't even mention this she has a self-help podcast how good is she doing with a self-help podcast so she claims she's still like it goes out weekly everyone can go subscribe to it i tell people not to love to look into it. I've said this like literally hundreds of times. If you want to support the truth, I would support just leaving her alone. She's recycled a lot of old content, but she's had famous people. She's had like well-known people on to talk about psych issues. But as I've been told, a lot of therapists and people that seek self-help are the ones who need it, obviously. Like, you have your curiosity towards it.

Grab a coffee and discover non-stop action with Bud MGM Casino. Check out our hottest exclusive. Friends of one with Multi-Drop. Once even more options. Play a wide variety of table games. or head over to the arcade for nostalgic casino thrills only available at BedMGM. Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. 19 plus to wager, Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connix Ontario at 1866-531, 2,600 to speak to an advisor free of charge.

But MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. So she does this podcast with her mom. Oh, yeah, her mom. Yeah. Oh, yeah, her mom. God bless the mom there, the reputable journalist here. So she interviews a psychologist who's like, you know, a well-known psychologist who's, you know, head of the, I don't know, university at Princeton, like a, like a, you know, Ivy League quality. And, you know, I'm sure they love their guests and all of that. Well, the psychologist, as it turns out, big fan of my program, I guess, is watching all of this because who isn't? Reality, Steve interviews the psychologist.

The psychologist is like, I can't believe this happened. And the psychologist was, if guilty of anything, being too kind to Jane Doe, being like, man, she must have some issues. I understand that. And I'm not like a, what if it was gender reverse type of guy. Yeah. I'm wildly pro-women. Yeah, yeah. I think if it was reversed, I think to some extent men can handle a lot of physical stuff.

So like I understand the predictions. Like I said before, the men in your life are the most dangerous statistically. Someone's got an alcohol boyfriend or abusive dad or uncle. Statistically, you've got to be more worried about the men in your life than the alleyway, right? But in this case, she, you know, she was kind of like very soft to Jane Dome. You're like, well, I kind of feel bad. And we all get that. But imagine if this was reversed.

You have an absolute nightmare scenario. You have like some serial crazy thing. And that's kind of what these men feel towards her is that she's almost more dangerous because she can do this as a very dainty small person. Oh my gosh. She is terrifying to me. Like I'm worried about you. I'm worried about your family. I'm worried about Clayton.

I'm worried about me. I'm worried about like she scares me because I feel. feel like people like that like obviously she's gotten away with it however many times as well so like what's her next crazy move if she finally gets like what she deserves if these victims finally get justice what is she going to do next what's her that's the dangerous part right when when when you're kind of desperate and you know people have said well what and i didn't believe this would happen but people have said you know there are stories where where people will murder somebody to steal their babies you know

not just stories there's documentaries about this where it's like there is something where like you fake a pregnancy until you then can you know there was there was family who I read the story I think it took place actually in Arizona maybe the same county to where someone befriended a pregnant lady

they became friends and it got down to the point where she tried to get her in the same room and for whatever reason the lady found in her bag like rudimentary surgical items that were in explanations and the lady later pleaded guilty to like yeah i was going to steal her babies i mean it's crazy stuff you know i didn't believe that was going to happen i didn't believe that because i didn't believe

i just didn't believe we're going to get there but those exist and it's important to note that this does happen it's rare we live in a very large country so when these stories come out it's obviously super sensationalized like most people right this way that's where that's where that's where that stands and the her story backfired on her everyone googled my name and i was kind of like how bitch everyone googled my name they don't believe and she deletes my name from her story which i'm like okay cool that you're no longer saying my name but also like we get it we understand and she has also since changed because you can like change these stories they're like blogs right so she can rewrite her story when she decides to rewrite her story but then there's receipts and

screenshots totally yeah totally so at this point Clayton in my estimation I think he would agree goes, you know, the court case that they had was set to expire. It was just going to go away. Like everything else does, she put this case on him to punish him, and she can just say she's no longer pregnant, unless he files paperwork to prove non-paternity, which I believe he filed, speaking of flying too close to son, I believe he filed this paperwork because he saw not only that I was getting a bad deal, but that it's like, Bubba, you're next. Yeah, oh, yeah.

Like, because imagine in three years when the dust settles on all this evidence, it's your story versus mine, you know, when all the evidence like the DNA stuff goes away. So we go back to Ravgen. That's the company in Maryland or Delaware or wherever that's got this new technology that can find the fetal DNA. I'm in, at this point, I'm coming back from the Maldives. I got my nice tan. I'm feeling good. I had all-inclusive. I'm in Qatar, which is a small nation in the Middle East on an eight-hour layover, flying Qatar Airways, which if you haven't had the pleasure, it's the nicest airline in the world. Is it really? It's all that oil money. I'm talking, white linen service, I'm just living my life.

And again, I was like, maybe I'll upgrade to first class, $23,000. I'll be an economy. I'll be back in a car. I got the first class for the flight from Qatar to the Maldives, which was a much shorter flight. And my wife, I surprised her with first class. And she was like, oh, my gosh,

she was like, I'm going to take a nap. And I was like, I'm going to stay awake. Yeah, I'm going to enjoy every second of this. I'll sleep in business, an economy on the way back. But I'm in Qatar at this nice airport, although I have to say the internet was not good. The internet was good in the lounge, But at this point, it's 20 minutes.

You're like, I need some Wi-Fi right now. It's 20 minutes to the flight. So we're leaving the good lounge internet and we're down to the terminal internet. And that's when Clayton releases his Instagram story. Results are back. Little to no fetal DNA. Ha-ha.

And he's like, whoa, he has that moment. Everyone blasts him for it, including Nick and Gabby and all these people, they blast him. Why do they blast him? Because they were like, little to know. Like, oh, he didn't handle it with class is what everyone said.

And I was like, how dare you tell this a victim how to handle? We're not talking about babies. That's not, oh, it's a sensitive matter. No, it's a con game, right? So I get that info and I go, oh, shoot. And you know me. I mean, I'm like a blue collar. I got to get this info up.

My people need this info. I would have hired a choreographer and did a full dance about it. Yeah. And he did the whole, you know, ah, got you bitch. And then I go, I got 20 minutes to get this. So I'm like typing. I got, and I'm doing like bad audio. I got the thing.

I'm doing the whole thing. And I go. If I don't get this video up, I got a 16-hour flight, and I know my personality. I'm going to be livid. Yeah, oh, yeah. I'm losing. Someone else, you know, Zachary reality's got the Tick-Tac. You know, I'm just like, somebody else's got this.

I need to be that first. So I'm waiting. And my wife's like, we're boarding class two. And I was like, we got to wait to look class eight. We get there. We get on the, I'm literally tethered to my iPhone in, in Qatar, in the middle of a desert, just like trying to get my T-Mobile, you know, Wi-Fi internet. And we're in that, we get into the flight.

They're like, please put your lap. laptops away. I got my laptop like pressed against the window. The video gets in its publish as the wheels are leaving the ground. That's just a personal story about like desperate I've become to get the truth out there. So little to no fetal DNA. She like I said, Holy Water on the exorcism. She goes off on this. She maintains that's bullshit. The tests are ongoing. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Clayton can't provide physical evidence that there's no DNA. We just got this guy named Brett. There's so many characters in this story.

You got Brett, who's the guy that she's been. So she's got audio. She records everything, which is why one of her lawyers left her because they didn't know she was recording them. I mean, she records everything. So she's recording Brett telling her, you know, I guess you could say it's ongoing. Because at that point, she's like, what do you mean the test showed nothing? My guess is Brett doesn't want any doubt in the test.

because they're like, all right, there's only 10 weeks in. Usually we know by eight weeks, but 10 weeks, and by the way, fetal DNA, which I don't know a little about, it could be like a punk band, you know, like fetal DNA, some Canadian punk band. So they, fetal DNA, it exists in your, in your blood, but when you have twins, like, it gets progressively more. Like, it goes up by, like, exponentially. Right.

So it's kind of like when you're pregnant, you're, if you test positive for pregnancy, a few days later, the line needs to get darker. It's a hormone thing. Her pregnancy tests all kind of stayed the same, which looks like you spilled like Sunny D on it or something, you know? Like, it's just like, yeah, sure, there's a, it's almost like, if that was a COVID test, you'd be like, I'm going to risk it. Right, right.

Sure, it doesn't pregnant, but like, not that, you know. So he goes, I need proof that this isn't, that this baby doesn't exist. But the paternity test is only set up to prove paternity, not to prove pregnancy. So there is no fetal DNA. They haven't found it. So they do another test. And we don't get the result. Well, it's publicly, but we find out it's that also no fetal DNA.

Okay. They do another test. That test gets lost in the mail. Apparently, there was a weather storm and somewhere in the Midwest and the blood didn't make it in time, so it was no longer valid. And Clayton and myself are wondering, did she intercept this? Like, people are like, maybe she did, maybe she didn't. But you're only wondering because you're like, when you're, I'm not a natural conspiratorial

guy, but when you see that something's capable, you go, what could she have done? Is she controlling that? Does she have a guy at U-Ha? Like, she causing some weather, you know, whatever. So it's little to know. So we don't get a no. And she, but that's enough for her to say, well, there's, you know, there's, no, there's, it's, it's there. You're not doing it.

Right. And by the way, these tests are done because he was worried, like, how do I know she's not going to fake this? Or use her sister's blood or whatever. They show up. He goes to the facility in Scottsdale. They draw his blood. They, you know, they seal it. This is like, this is like court ordered stuff.

She, they go to her place. I'm afraid, you know, she does that whole, that's why she does the prosthetic zoom. I'm afraid of. him. I don't want to be near him. He's my, you know, I have a protective order. So she maintains this distance to protect herself. And in previous instances, some of these Zoom calls she's done with arbitrators and, you know, they'll just like, they'll just go, like, she'll just lose her internet. And people have been like, is her mom just plugging the router when it's not going her way? She needs to be written. She needs to be like contrived. And that's, that's what works for

her. What doesn't work is being cross-examined, which we'll get to. But because Clayton was able to get the funding for the lawyer and by the way shout out to the woodnick law team you have these badass women who support greg woodnick that these these lawyers and you know in some cases you need you need the female touch it's kind of it's kind of like how johnny dep had a badass female lawyer to cross-examine amber regardless of what side you think is right the jury ruled in favor of johnny depp i always have to say that regardless of what side's like that's better than a man just yelling at a woman like you're crazy like that doesn't look good with the jury right so so So Woodnick Law has Deandra, this beautiful, recently had a baby.

Like, you can't tell a mom something she doesn't already know about pregnancies and this and that. So they pin her down metaphorically on November 2nd at this second harassment hearing. The one that only existed because they tried to get him too much evidence and they delayed it, right? So now he comes back to this hearing, which he wins. When is this? This was November 2nd or 7th. Either way, it was a few weeks after the 25th. So at this hearing, she loses it, but also at this hearing, they get her to say all of these things under oath.

That might not have been important for this harassment case, but they at least knew they needed to catch her. So they got her to admit that she was 24 weeks pregnant. They got her to admit all these different, you know, prenatal doctors she goes to. I go to this guy for my peri, you know, and she has a neurologist. At this point, her only evidence that she's pregnant is a doctor's. note from a neurologist and of course this are the initial so you can't like find out what doctor she's going to like and at like there's no way of katelyn come on don't ruin the party again i'll wrap this up if we're running late i've no idea no we still have time we'll get to that so it finally

gets to the point where they get her hippo releases signed i'll get to that but so this goes down we get the fbi calls he decides because he He shows no fetal DNA for a third time. And by the way, I said, Clay, just get me on the call because I trust you at this point. But I'm a little like, hey, if you're lying to me, I don't want, you know. So I get on the call. And they have no problem with that. They're not sharing medical records.

There are none. So I get on the call and hear from Brett. Hey, Brett. How are you? And he goes, yeah, little is no fetal DNA. He says, I can't give you that information until it's court ordered. I can't just give it to you because you're not the father. If you were the father, then you have a right to it.

But at this point, so he really gets caught in a pickle there, which he'll get that information. My guess is it's in transit in one way or another to his law firm right now because it has been summoned by the court, which we'll get to. So finally, a Christmas gift comes on December 28th, Hanukkah, Kwanza, whatever this was, Jane Doe admits she's no longer pregnant. She files motion to dismiss petition to establish paternity. we're just getting started Jane Doe don't end the party now she claims to be not pregnant no longer pregnant which to me

could mean they are either alive or they're not or they never were right at this point I'm going through all the possibilities this is why it's good to have good legal representation and like Woodnick Woodnick Law had him on December 11th file paperwork for the putative father's registry if I hate to use you and I as an example

say in our college days we hooked up right i'm sorry for this visual uh you're wearing full denim i'm into denim whatever's going on so oh you know uh canadian fantasy yeah i'm wearing like a hockey shirt you're into me for some reason i don't know so say that happens and i'm like and then you like go study abroad i don't know you listen you ditch me you goes to me say you goes to me well i'm like well what if i'm the dad what if something happens i'll file paperwork so that if she ever gives a baby up for adoption that was born nine months from now i'll at least know because of course why wouldn't I want to be the dad and came and bust his baby. I'm sorry to make this in comparison to you.

But it's like, but that's why it exists. It's a very rare thing. They probably get one of these submissions a decade, right? So he goes, I don't think I'm the father. But damn if I'm going to let her claim she gave these babies up for adoption and never know. I have the right as the dad to know. No, he's not the father. So she's saying she's no longer pregnant.

She could have had them put them up for adoption. He does this two weeks before she claims she's not pregnant. Amazing. So it's like, she's about to go left and it's like, cutcha. Cut you. And I've had to go, and again, it's not with pleasure. Say, I think she's going to say she had a miscarriage. I think she's going to say that because that's her only play right now. Because if she had still birth, there would have to be a death certificate.

And a miscarriage, you could just say, you know, you could make whatever claim you want to make. And it's between you and in your soul, right? But a stillbirth at 20 weeks is like, you know, again, this is where it becomes so offensive. I have got audience members sending me their still birth death certificates of their babies just to say, hey Dave if don't open this if it's too much but I just want you to know what goes down here and my just heart goes for these people and it's such a personal matter to provide them just the basic you know understanding of not being made a mockery of right you know and again I'm like hey don't use that don't weaponize this and racial issues and all these other things that she may have

done I can't just to cover your lies just to cover your lies like nothing matters nothing's too big, rubbing the belly from my dad who's dying of Parkinson's. Like, what's too much here? So he files a notice of claim of paternity. And, you know, to the naked eye, you go, oh, he wants to claim paternity now? And it's like, well, now he does. Now he wants to claim that because then he can claim non-paternity. It's like, I'm claiming I want to find out what happens. And then within two weeks, she's like, no, party's over. No, it's not. Her new lawyer, and again, she's been through a roll-a-dicts of lawyers, signs on and then leaves her days later. It probably just does a simple Google search.

It's like, no, we're good. And when a lawyer drops you, you have to sign off on it. Your lawyer cannot just drop you unless there's some crazy reason. They can say, I got to drop my client. She's extorting somebody. This is an ethical law. I don't believe my client. She's told me the truth.

I got to drop her. We don't know why Lexi Linvald dropped her. But what we do know is she gave permission to Lexi to leave, which probably means Lexi's like, I know what's going on. So just give me permission or else I have to tell the court I know what's going on. That's my belief. We don't know. January 17th, 2020, 24.

Happy New Year, everybody. New Year, same story. Jane is scheduled for a deposition. January 17th. She files like this late claim to have it to like quash the deposition and dismiss the whole case. It's up to the judge to decide. She wants to dismiss everything now? Yeah, she says, I'm no longer pregnant.

so therefore family court shouldn't exist and the judge agrees with her you're right this shouldn't be in court anymore but would nick law had previously like weeks earlier filed paperwork to say we want to argue that she should pay the bill so because they file paperwork over who's going to pay the tab it now can't just be dismissed because there's a pending bill that needs to be paid you can't just leave the restaurant no settle it who pays pays the bill. Right. So we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars probably at this point of bills. I don't even know if would Nick or them even expect her to ever pay. But, but this keeps it alive. So judge agrees to dismiss the aspect of paternity, but now there's the aspect of who's paying the bill. And I, and to me, some layman's going like, oh, this sucks. We're not going to find the truth. No. They still argue over the truth because that decides who pays the bill. That's at least how I see it again. Just state school education here. So January 17th, she's got a deposition. She doesn't show up. You know, it's like they bring out the muffins. Have you ever been to a deposition? No. I was deposed once in a car accident.

I was awarded a very small, a chronic neck injury. Some lady ran a light and knocked my car on two wheels. It was the whole thing. They grill you. But they also are grilling me. I use my deposition as an example to show. They're trying to see how competent I am. And could be wrong, I feel pretty competent.

I feel like I'm not abusing the system. No felonies, no issues. blah, blah, blah, blah, feeling pretty good. And in my case, they were like, before I even left the door, they wanted to settle. And we were like, fat chance. Like, we're going to get what we're worth here. But it's because they're like, do you pick up your dog ever? Oh, really?

Oh, you pick up your dog. You waste 50 pounds. Oh, you clearly aren't injured. You know, they do all this crazy stuff. So they're there to rattle you. They're there to fish for information. She's like, nope, I'm not going until the judge rules on whether or not I need to go. And we're actually getting close to the end here, or the end of where we are now.

So my lawsuit is still on the book. I'm like, why am I still here? I'm like waiting for the, like, why do I still have to do here? So she's still talking to my lawyers being like, my lawsuit's February 8th, and I buy a completely refundable flight because at this point I've moved here, it's in L.A. And you can cancel the flight I bought like up to 20 minutes before you. Because I'm like, I'm not going to L.A. unless I need to. I got to, you know, give my wife foot massages and take care of her and this and that, which she'll argue I don't do enough of. But, you know, we're trying, folks.

I'm busy with, I'm getting, you know, being sued on me. I'm trying to. So she no shows. And then after that, she writes a blog on Valentine's, Happy Valentine's Day. Here's a blog. Jane Doe posts a blog on Medium about miscarriage. Oh, God.

And about how Clayton rejoiced on Instagram. So on Valentine's Day, Clayton makes an Instagram going, Happy Valentine's Day to all the moms out there. I'm not, or he does something where he's just like, ah, you know. In this world, I could. She was like, I could have been a father, but not in this world. And he's just like, has this fun moment. And I'm like, go get it, man. It's like, Clayton's like a dog that was

caged for a salt. Like, go run free, Bubba. Yeah. Go dance your heart away. Yes. You were the victim. And I've just noticed psychology here, people have a hard time reckoning with him being the victim here. I know. He can have big muscles and also be a victim. His heart doesn't get, you know what I mean? So I'm just going to read just one quick paragraph from her blog. I didn't read it. This is the only part I copy and pasted. Shockingly, the world have, the would have been father has fueled this torment appearing in a shirtless Instagram post today grinning from ear to ear gleefully proclaiming you know in a parallel universe out there

someone's giving birth to twins today but not this one cruel insensitive heartless immature and irresponsible are just a few words that come to mind when I saw what he posted so that's where she's at and it's at this time

that we get to the interesting part can I ask one question please I'm like so she's done this to multiple victims and never had a baby and each time she's either claimed she's claimed miscarriages and coerced abortion so she claims abortion which you'll never be able to prove whether she took the pills or not right and i believe and i don't the first case was either abortion or something like that but okay this is the one that went far but it went far because

she got caught in this lie and exposed she never wanted to be public right she wanted him to go public destroy him and again this is just my opinion but it makes sense because you say what is the hell she's trying to do and then she gets a good story out of it yeah that's all i can see yeah she gets to punish the big bad man who didn't want to date her yeah and it's like you know and you know she's made other claims about that night well clearly i wasn't the you know consent you know she's made some crazy and it's like honey if that's a claim you're going to make make it she's made a lot of different claims privately she's changed her story but i think the facts show it was just a we all bed there So now we get to February 21st, 2024.

This is a hearing that is just a court coming to talk. This is them coming together to say, what are we going to do about the court case that's coming up next week? This was like a week before we're supposed to be. And Clayton's lawyers are like, we didn't even get a chance to depose her. They provided us no discovery, which by the way, she also didn't provide any discovery against her harassment case against me. now what went down on February 21st is tied into what went down on my lawsuit the night before you know I didn't even pack my bags because I knew she was going to pull some bullshit yeah the night before my case which by the way I told her time and again Jane you don't want me with a camera

on the foot of the courthouse steps hooting and hollering I'm going to eviscerate you as my words it's going to be bad the judge is going to rule in my favor it's going to be bad but at the same time I'd rather not have to do that because if I still lived in LA all right Uber's on me we're going in we'll go out breakfast after and I was going to throw a pizza party people could come whatever but I was like I really don't want to do this I also had plans we had plans to go to dinner with friends that night in Nashville and I was like I just moved here I don't know anybody I got to explain to them I got to go to LA for a lawsuit people I had to

tell my lawyer in LA hey someone's trying to serve your papers like it's not I think you immediately feel guilty yeah and by the way I don't want any I've got people in the bachelor world that no longer answer my calls, no longer talk to me. I don't know what they've been told privately. I don't think it's much. I've sent people 10, 20 minute long voice notes saying, hey, just so you know, because I don't know if you're covering this as closely as I am, here's what's happening. I've, I felt like what, what did I do? But yes, and I'll say this, I have to understand that people don't know what I was going through privately. You try to put on a brave face. And I had somebody reach out to me saying, like, I've heard, it's important to check

on your strong friends. And again, I'm okay, like, no self-harm, nothing like that. But, like, you don't, like, I haven't even had the chance to, like, sit back, have a cigar and cry about this. You know what I mean? It's still in that, like, no, we're still fighting. The fight's not over. So, but I've had to deal with it.

I've had to deal with people where I'm like, you know, a million people. And it's one thing if it's the strangers being like, he should have never done this. That's what they say. But it's like, who was going to pick up the bill for Clayton here? Yeah. And Clayton played football. I play sports, played football. And I just see, I see like, you get each other's back.

You have a guy that's, you know, when you're the quarterback, you have the left tackle that protects the blind spot because you can't see what's coming behind you. So that guy's job is to protect you. And that guy takes a job seriously. And like just a metaphor of like having each other's back. It's almost like in today's world, people are more afraid of coming off the wrong way versus doing the right thing. Yes. It's not a place of nobility. It's like common.

I think people, like I said, to start because it's getting to the end, I think people would have done the same thing I did here. So there's no feeling of self-righteousness. I think the fact that I'm going through my first pregnancy, getting educated in all of this, and also being like a rabid daily YouTube poster with the exact wrong niche. You know what I mean? Maybe there's another niche, some pro lacrosse player.

And my niche, I get up every morning and make content. She with the wrong niche. So that's where I'm like, in some weird way, I was the guy who had to pick up the tab before this fight and we're doing just fine with it. But the night before, I get in, email from my lawyer saying, she's going to drop the case against you. And by the way, her lawyers didn't know she was pregnant. Didn't even know she was faking pregnant. They just, again,

her lawyers in the Los Angeles case against me. Where does she get these lawyers? Well, she's shown evidence that she maybe gets funds from victim advocacy groups because she said, oh, I've got the ACLU looking into this. I've got fertility groups looking into this as a way to threaten me and others to say, I've got money and I've got support. Now, of course, these groups don't know the truth right they just hear someone who's like a victim of this and has evidence that she you know fell off her horse and she has seizures and things like so she's got evidence of her own mental health issues and she's always saying you deny that i've got these mental health issues and i'm like honey that's the one thing we believe about you yes we get that but they're collateral damages so like the wake

you're casting is destroying the marina here so let's fix this right i get a stipulation and people say don't play into one stipulation her stipulation promise in the this paperwork. I'll drop my case against you. And by the way, she's threatened me a dozen other times. I'm going to see you for defamation. Drop, you know, I'll drop this against you if you take all your videos down. Essentially, all she wants for me is to take all my content down. She doesn't want this to all exist in her reality. Sorry, in my reality, there's 96 videos. Yeah. So that have got a lot of views and they're going to continue. Yeah, a lot of going on there. Good thumbnail work. I'm getting pretty good at what I do. So I go, all right, I'll look at your

stipulation. Yeah, sure, whatever. And I think about it. And it. And it's, stipulation is that I am not going to incite any violence towards her, which by the way is illegal. We know that from the January 6 hearings inciting violence. Like, are you inciting violence or not? I've never said her name. You know, have I slipped up and said her first name or her last name? Have I played up an episode where, yeah, you're allowed to do it. We could say her name non-stop. I've made a point not to because I know that'll be used against me. So I, you know, I call her Jane Doe, Dodo Bird. I use like, I use fake images of other people when I talk about her. I try to do this. And, and still, all she wants is that I won't sick my audience out against her. If I don't sign it, she's going to write a medium article saying he refused to agree, just like she did with Clayton when she went to the police and said, he refused to say, in her first article in the sun, she said, he refused to say he wouldn't harm me or my unborn children. It's like, yeah, dumb, dumb, because he had blocked you. He wasn't responding to you. So when she goes, promise me you won't hurt my unborn children, he's like, you blew me.

I'm not, so I go, all right, all right, yeah, I'll sign it, sure, because I can agree to that. Yeah. That was on February 7th. Hours later, she gets a death threat, a death threat made to her and to her mother from somebody who's also a member of my Patreon or my, you know, who's in my community. Yeah. This person has no record of existing before October, but it is like a 10-year-old account. And by the way, I do have sources from her, I do have sources that know her and knew her back then that I've said they, they know, they know she. she's created accounts before we know you know it's common people have a fake account but you know

why would she have one 10 years old well because she was doing this 10 years ago yeah so you slap a new face on it so claims to be you know and again maybe this isn't her either way how convenient and ironic that hours after i signed this thing she gets a death threat and why why it would even matter if she got a death threat so the threat goes to her mom but it goes to her mom's stage name which takes us to a different address that isn't even where she lives so she knows the threat you know the lady shows the address and says something like i'll shoot you or something or whatever the threat she leaves it on her page for like days knowing it's not even going to her address so she feels safe knowing they don't even have her right address but it goes to a different

lady with that same name on the other side of town now why is this important why would she leave it up well when she goes and by the way so my case is done and now she's still suing me she's still threatening nonstop to sue me which she could if she wants to take her uber billionaire garret money and sue me it'll be a hell of a lot of money to spend but at least i've got the internet in the world understanding what's going on here and i'm willing to bet you know like i haven't pulled the jo rogan card you know but as a comedian that's we're all one step away from going on him because he there's just certain giant podcast that go oh you're getting right now yeah and they stand for not letting that happen so we so i just i let her know that to know you're going to lose

it's going to cause you a lot of money and you're going to be even exposed on a higher level the more you fight this. So my case at the current point, done. She dropped it. She did write an article or whatever and then use that information to go to the judge on February 21st when they had their sort of their correspondence with the judge to find out what to do with this court case moving forward. It's basically a pretrial hearing. She says, well, I'm getting death threats. This case needs to be sealed. So Clayton's side goes, it's supposed to be a 45-minute case. Yeah. All of this. We've been talking for a lot longer than that. How the hell, on a 45-minute case, which involves 20 minutes each way of cross-examining and this, how the hell do you even get

to the truth of who's going to pay the bill? So they go, can we get two hours? They ask for two hours. And they also say, I need more time. I need more time because we don't even have any evidence from her. And this is where I can share with you the crazy information that came out of that case. On that day, the judge denied all, basically everything she asked for. She denied to dismiss it. She denied confidentiality. The judge said, you know what? If something seems inappropriate, I won't let the public see it.

I will do it on a la carte basis. How nice of this judge. And the judge knows what she's doing. The judge sounds really smart. And you don't just get to become a judge. Most judges are like very smart, former lawyers. They know the system. They know to read people.

And then Jane Doe's side goes, well, we have witnesses. but they're afraid of the public outcry and the harassment. The judge goes, we will blur their faces and we can even alter their voices. We can take care of them if they come forward. Not one person has come forward on behalf of Jane Doe, except privately her mom told a psychologist who kind of turned on them, who had met them in person, who, by the way, is an expert psychologist who teaches at Princeton a very highly sought-after person. How dare you take the opinions of reality, Steve and Dave Neal? I'm sorry, but like this is, it's not my opinion.

Sure, I have my opinions of some things like, who's Chase J. Jones? I have my opinions of who gave the death threat. I would love, I would foot the bill for the FBI to find out who that death threat was. They're not a fan of mine. They could be some deranged person, and they also could be someone who wants the case sealed. It could be either way. We have no evidence to really pursue that. So now the judge says, we need your medical records.

Clayton's side says, we want them all the way back to 2018. And her side goes, no, you only need it like a few months. The judge rules, I'm going to get all of her records back to 2020, which means Greg Gillespie, all of those records will become exposed and all of this is going to come out here. And she goes, I'll sign the paperwork. I'll get you these records. No big deal. Her deposition's set for March 1st today. I don't know when this is coming out, but that's the day we're here.

Will she be deposed? you go, well, what would happen? Like, I guess the judge could order her in contempt and arrest her. Like, who knows, right? Well, on February 27th, the evening of February 27th, much like her private email to the judge's assistant in the rape coercion, she emails Gregie Woodnick of Greg Woodnick Law, Clayton's lawyer. So she goes around her own counsel, emails him and says, I need you to pass this along

to your client about a possible, like, deal or whatever. Because she can't contact Clayton. Yeah. The attachment. And so this gets leaked to me. I'm not saying by who. This emails touch several hands. This gets leaked to me literally before it hits the ground.

Yeah. Because the public deserve to know the abuses here. The email to Clayton says, I am suing you for $1.4 million because of X, Y, and Z. And she makes all these claims that he didn't provide her the services in real estate that he should have. and she missed out on buying these homes that we don't even know if she would have bought. By the way, you're not paying full cash. You know, you know, all these things. Like, it's not like anyone who follows real estate.

It's like, no, that's not how it works. She just juiced up the number as far as she could go. And by the way, Clayton was looked into over this, apparently by whatever real estate organization. They decided not to press any charges against him. I don't even know if he's going to sell any. I think he's trying. I think he's still working in real estate.

But you just get to see if she can find something, some legal avenue. She did the same thing to the contractor with the contractor's board. They laughed her off. Right? They, she, if she, if she, if I worked with her at any capacity whatsoever, she would cut my throat. Right.

So that's where it stands and she says, I'm suing you. But there's an alternative resolution. She loves these words. The alternative resolution is I'll stop, I'll stop suing you if you just drop this paternity do dad thing we got going on here. So she says this, you know, a day and a half before her deposition. And what's Clayton's response? Well, let's just put it this way.

I report the story to show the attempt of extortion. In the response letter from Woodnick to her attorney to say, this is grossly inappropriate. This is ridiculous attempts of extortion. And it will be an exhibit in the case. Now, in the previous day, so she was worried on the date of February 21st at the court, at that previous court hearing. She was worried that, oh, if I share my medical records, they're all going to be made public. So people go, how could this be shared?

Well, this isn't her medical records, and this doesn't have to do with the case. This is a civil disagreement she has with him separately. But it does show extortion. And if you don't think that's extortion, it's like she weaponized this thing that clearly didn't exist before, 30 hours before her deposition. She had no plan on suing him whatsoever. And it's like, look, if you want to sue him for a lost causes for all of that real estate shit, sure. But don't give a alternative stipulation that that is going to hang over his head. if he'll drop this again, too.

That's extortion. Yeah. And we'll have to see what the judge thinks about all of that. Again, I'm covering it on Bachelor Rush Hour, my daily podcast, which is trying to buy diapers for my wife here, our baby, you know, there's going to be the big, I heard they're expensive. So I don't know where I stand on what I owe my lawyer. I haven't gotten the bill yet. We've raised like $12,000 or $13,000.

I paid him the initial $10,000 retainer. And apparently you pay that because once you win, a lot of people go, oh, I could have won without my lawyer. So I was like, I get it. You pay the lawyer up front. You pay the bill up front, you know. Here's where it gets interesting. And again, and then we're done.

Wait, it's March 1st. All right. You can kick off the old denim jumpsuit and call it a day. So here's the end of my paperwork. His response, Woodnick's response to Corey Keith, her lawyer, when he says this is extortion, his response was, and by the way, three of the four medical providers say they have no records of her medical documents. documents. Maybe it's in the fourth one. So all of these, you know, because she had to sign so many hippo releases that Woodnick Law had to say, we're going to Photoshop this so we can pass

them out to everyone we need, you know, results from and needed the lawyer to know that just so, or needed the judge to know that just so like the, like, I don't know, you go to the doctor and they're like, why is this photocopied five times? So they literally had the judge say, this is to be submitted to like five people. It's like a coupon. Here's five hippo releases. And so far, nothing now which means what which means what which means what which means she never went to those doctors and they never had any ultrasounds you get an ultrasound every two weeks oh yeah so all of this my rights are privileged what what like where so will this prove non paternity well we're going to find out and the case got extended to june 10th I will be reporting live

in there and I have all of that jazz you know it's a public case people can go we'll have to see if she was there. She was at the public hearing on February 21st. Oh, I didn't even share the fun part. I'm sorry. I'm like, hello. It's much first. What's going? Oh, I would have swerved over and come back and found you to share this. She was asked by the judge. And at this point, this is a pretrial hearing. So this isn't even a chance for like cross-examination. But I think the judge is like, wait a second. So the judge says, you found out in December 28th, that's the first time you've said you're no longer pregnant. The judge was like, we need to get. fetal death certificates. Like, right? Like, we need to, and that's, and that's something that Clayton's lawyer is hammering. I've sent them to you over and over, no response. Where are the certificates? We need this. Or otherwise, we have a whole other issue. Right. You know, that's important. You need to have proof of life. And at a certain point, we've decided a fetus is viable, and it needs to be in the system. And she whispers to her attorney. They go back and forth. And then the, and then the attorney goes, in November of 2023, my client,

found out that she was no longer pregnant and then everyone goes yeah but on November 2nd she said she was 24 weeks pregnant and then and again it's just and then and they did exactly what I said they were going to do and I like to call it out and they go

you're giving her information I'm like she already she already knows like what she's going to do but I said this I said at this point all she can do is say she miscarried before the 20 weeks like the only way to get out of is to say she miscarried earlier so now she goes and again now you have to everyone rewind everything I said because now we're finding out oh so that means her harassment suit

against me her suit against him all these things should be her she'd be footing the bill if she's now saying mid-November she knew and then in mid-November she says that's when I found out the doctor said I miscarried one or two months ago how convenient oh my god so now we're now we're going all the way back to September and this is where it gets like grossly offensive to women and to moms into moms to be because you don't miscarry and so Corey Keith starts explaining miscarriage to the judge this is all online this is all public and you know he's trying his best this poor guy her lawyer he's trying his best right and he's trying to explain sometimes you don't know you miscarried yeah which I'll grant

you that six seven eight weeks whatever we're talking 16 18 weeks we're talking like like beginning to be fully developed fetus twins yeah you would you would have an ectop it you would you would so many issues are you know and I know all this because of the issue of abortion. A lot of states are banning abortion and not realizing that some hospitals that are religiously funded, even if you're having a stillbirth, they count that as an abortion and you can have an ectopic pregnancy and you can die, all these serious issues. And here she is saying, oh, I didn't even know. I didn't even know. So she's willing to dangle the life of these fake babies over Clayton's head to go on a date. She's willing to do all of this

and audiences are just rip shit. And now all I can say, if this makes anybody feel a certain way, go give Clayton a follow just go support him if you're in Scottsdale go stay at his home go like I said subscribe to my podcast

just just give some attention towards the right side of this story and the court will work out the rest June 10th 2024

so what happened today oh so today she either shows up or she doesn't at her deposition and did she and I've talked to people

that said guys it's 50 50 now in most cases you would assume yes, you're going to show up. The court's compelling you. You can't miss it again. If I could have, I look, I mean, I'm saying this as a joke. I wanted to hire like a cleaning crew, like a guy that washes windows to come just to see if I, hey, while you're cleaning those windows, what's going on in the courtroom here? Well, I can break the news to you that she went to the four hour deposition. So that won't necessarily be public. The information that she went's public, whether or not that becomes an exhibit will be public. So I think the judge will decide after that four hour deposition. And all right, you didn't need to talk about this or that, and they'll cut that out. So we'll see what makes it into the exhibit. But if it makes it into the exhibit, it'll eventually be public.

And most depositions are just, you know, like mine was, just a court reporter taking notes. But if you pay the extra price, you get a video deposition. And that's what we have. So we'll have to see. And that's important because if you look at the Amber Heard deposition, she actually caught herself in a lie where she mentioned that she leaked a story to DMZ and she like, because she like caught herself and a lie and looked in the other way. And you can just see her soul leaving. And again, no judgment on that case, but that's why you need video to be like, you need to see this person's story like, you know, as their eyes reach and behavioral

specialists like to look into these things and lying experts and all of that. So that's where it stands. For anyone who thinks right now, oh, man gosh, it's slam dunk. It's because of the passion of this audience that has pursued this because this is all in a grand scheme of things, not a story that the world needs to know about but to these people and to their families and their moms this is their world and i've gotten phone calls and emails from moms best friends wives girlfriends of people that have been affected to say thank you because some of these guys mike 2016 andrew and matthew weren't in the court system so we don't know much about them but they are men who existed that have had this you know and this has existed for pushing on eight years in the court system and

they're just finally able to go see i wasn't and it all because she flew too close to the sun yeah well thank you for doing all of this work and research and like doing what's right and i'm sure clayton is so grateful for you and that's just it's just i can't even like wrap my brain around it like i don't know if i said one word this whole podcast because i was just like i'm sorry that they had to listen to me no and thanks for having me yeah if you want to hear i mean i can't sometimes after a stand-up show we get we have a few too many drinks and retell some stories but March 28th I'll be in Phoenix my last show before you know before I uh hunker down as the dad but um I you know I've had people I just in Huntington Beach I had I had people come to

a show and they go this is my Roman Empire and I go I get it I get it and I have people again it's just like it's a lot but I have people I had this lady come to a show and she goes I've always listened to your content but this just like was close to me because we've been trying to have a baby and now we're pregnant after a few years like people share these stories with me now And, like, I feel like women don't normally share these stories with men. So I'm so honored to be like, thank you. And, like, actually, I want to shout out Cam, an audience member of ours.

She had a baby last night. Oh, my God. She was on our Instagram. She was literally about to go into labor on our Patreon live stream, our private live stream. So everyone's like, I just see the comments, hey, Cam, go get it, Cam. And I'm like, who's Cam? What's going on with Cam? And she was like, I'm about to go into labor.

They couldn't, they had to do a C-section because her daughter came. out 10 pounds, four ounces. Holy shit. So we got, we're growing the audience, folks. We're growing it. But this case has been on for so long that there have been dozens of births since. So you think June 10th, 2024, it will all be closed shut, figure out with two hours. I'll be on the court steps, live streaming, we'll have people inside. We'll know who's going to pay the bill. She has weaponized her wealth to him before. She actually said in written statements

that are in exhibits, I bet you I'll guarantee $100,000 that you're the father of my babies she said this month ago and people now are going oh, she can have to pay that? Now she just said that as a threat but she even says

I sent him proof of the funds so what's going to happen now if she loses it's like all right you owe him $120,000 and trust me they're going to bill the wazoo every croissant from the deposition just like every email and I guess

that would also include she would have to pay her own own lawyer, a poor, poor guy, you know, just trying to make a buck. But that, I mean, she's, they've already, you know, people are, and again, I'm not, I'm not doing this, but people are tracking like, oh, she created a new LLC. I wonder if she's moving funds around. And people are wondering, is she going to pay the bill. And that's what it comes down to. Well, what it comes down to is if she does have to pay the bill and then if she'll keep this in court and refuse to pay. But she's proven she's got the funds for it. I'm scared of her. I think, like I said,

I think the safest thing is letting the world know. I've mentioned this before. I've mentioned this before plenty of heavy billion dollar company streamers are looking at the story and i've spoken with just about every victim and all kind of deciding where to present a story in a way that does it justice doesn't make a mockery tells a story of a of the community that rose up to stop this nonsense and if jane do wants to be a part of that documentary she is allowed to give her side her privately through sources we've heard that her parents have considered sharing their side of this I'd love to know what it is I'd love to know my god I'd let don't look with cats know don't with Dave Neal well no and I can't because the flock they the amount of effort that

bachelor nation that's it that's it don't I'm just I've just been kind of the the guy who goes wait give yourself credit for being a good journalist because you are here with the facts and you've clearly done your research and you are, I mean, I can't imagine how many hours you're putting into this. Yeah, it's been a little bit. We'll be happy when it's over. Yeah, we'll be happy when it's over and then you'll have a new baby and everything's going to be okay. Yeah, we need to get our baby a little denim jumpsuit like you've got there. I'll get them. Yeah, for sure. And if I ever go missing, her name is, look up who. Yeah. We all know who it is. Google it. I thought of that today. I was like, is she going to follow me? Like, because I hyped this, I hyped this interview up,

but didn't say where I was going. And, like, of course, she know, I haven't shared my address, but like, the cat gets light out of the bag, but I think, I think being public is the best thing we can do. And, you know, that's, that's where to live. Well, you can't Google my address. There you go. At this point, it's so obvious that you just have to call it out so that if it happens, you go, well, see, there you go.

Yeah, for real. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. Wow. And, like, there's not even a doubt in your mind that this is, like, she completely lied about all this. I guess the question is, is, will she hold on to this, like, first. I mean, she lied. She's committed perjury, but she's claiming she just didn't know. And now, so we've got, I mean, we've got experts that are experts in miscarriage that are like,

you know, people that have written in and said, hey, I literally get hired by departments to come testify on this. There's no way she wouldn't have known she had lost these babies. I mean, my wife, I mean, you hate to even relate it to your own situation. But if you even go two hours without feeling your baby, you're kind of like, hey, how are you? Yeah. You know, you're so, it's so personal. Yeah. And for her to, you know, for her to think she can get away with it, There was that documentary called Scamanda where someone claimed they were, had cancer for years. It became a hit documentary. It's the same playbook of hiding behind such personal.

How could you dare ask? Well, we had the balls to ask because we saw the evidence because of good nature of people, whistleblowers, showing that this has happened before. Otherwise, we might not have connected the dots. Right. It might have settled out of court. And luckily, I mean, like I said, if she never went to the sun, Clayton might not have shared the story. And it might have just been like a dent in him. and now you get to see him just sort of free of it all.

Yeah. Or becoming free of it all. And hopefully it'll mean no more victims, you know? Hopefully. Yeah, I don't know. This girl's capable of. Well, she's already attempted to change her name, not to spook people out. The internet got a hold of it and she ended up throwing out that court, you know, you go through the court.

So she's no longer changing her name to whatever it was going to be, which we know. She changes it to Jane Doe. So, yeah, I mean, both her parents have like stage names. they're, you know, they're not who they, but, you know, so, so, I mean, the internet's not going to let it go and they'll just keep an eye on her and make sure that it doesn't happen again. And I mean, best case scenario is this is her bottom and she gets some help. Yeah. Maybe, you know, maybe her parents overmedicated her and did some, who knows, who knows, I seek, I seek sort of like, I'm begging her to give me an answer that's not just her being

diabolical. Yeah. Yeah. At the end of the day, I'm worried about her. Yeah. No, we all are. But, you know, no harm. towards her, no reaching out to her. People can watch this case from afar, and hopefully by the time it does go like mainstream documentary, there is some sort of outcome that's not, the outcome nobody wants, which is like, you know, just ugly.

Yeah. Wow. I don't see it, I don't see it going in an outcome where she, I mean, she's double, triple, quadrupled down for years, so I don't see it changing at this point. Yeah, no, she, no. We hope. She can't now. Eat some mushrooms, going to the desert,

and just, you know, have a come to Jesus moment. Please. Yeah, please. I know a guy if she wants, I've got an inner child work therapy, retreat she can go to. There's help out there for you. I don't even mean to me that as a joke. Like, there's help. You should get help.

And look, I make light of the parts that I can because it's how I cope with it and how ridiculous it is. Yeah. And also humor kind of shames people. And shame is a tool that sometimes needs to be used to be like, you need to stop. And, you know, the playbook's been revealed. So it's kind of like, all right, what can you? she do next you know oh she's gonna claim something i you know did while i was performing and i mean i will have to have security and things like that when i perform there but i'm not

going to not live my life yeah yeah absolutely well god i'm scared but anyways that's how i'm ending this podcast i'm scared um thank you so much for coming on you should not release an episode for like a month and just let people wonder kately goes out she's like oh i just wasn't around that sounds like something jane doe would do yeah no thanks for having me here i'm such a and I appreciate the platform. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. And if I'm being honest, I wouldn't mind a rating and review.