Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Dhar Mann | The Failures That Led Him to His Success!

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

#960. Most people know Dhar Mann as the face behind the viral videos that inspire millions around the world. But what you don't always see is everything that happened before the success.In this episode, Dhar opens up about growing up as the son of immigrant parents, feeling like an outsider, navigating public failure, and why he believes the hardest seasons of life often become the foundation for your greatest purpose. We talk about the businesses that didn't work out, the moment he was ready to quit after creating video after video with little traction, and how one final upload changed everything.We also get into the serendipitous story of how he met his wife, why he believes every twist and setback in life is leading you exactly where you're meant to be, and the surprisingly funny story behind buying Khloé Kardashian's former home. It's proof that the moments that don't make sense in the moment often end up meaning everything.Whether you're chasing a dream, picking yourself back up after a setback, or simply trying to figure out what's next, this conversation is a reminder that your biggest breakthrough might be hiding inside the chapter you want to skip!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these AMAZING deals!Wayfair: Ready to upgrade your home for way less? Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home and get your space ready for less.Quince: Go to Quince.com/vine for free shipping on yourorder and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit nutrafol.com promo code VINE.Better Help: Sign up and get 10% off at BETTERHELP.com/VINE.Apartments.com: The place to find a place!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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BetterHelp, sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp.com. That's better-h-E-L-P dot com slash vine, and Apartments.com, the place to find a place. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Today we have Dar Man on the podcast. He is an Indian-American entrepreneur and content creator.

He is wise beyond, well, beyond me. He produces short scripted videos with morality themes, his videos which have been viewed billions and billions of times feature stock characters facing antagonists like racist, cheaters, bullies who ultimately learn a lesson. He's here to just talk about learning lessons and just one of my favorite topics about how we all grow from failure. So please enjoy this episode with Dar Man.

We're talking tattoos, everybody. What you are removing one because it doesn't align with you. Yeah, in my 20s, are we, are we going? Yeah, okay, awesome. Yeah, so in my 20s, I was going through this spiritual, intrinsic thing where I just felt like non-attachment was the key to happiness. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so I was, you know, it was not like in a relationship. I obviously didn't have kids in, but as I got older, my wife, Laura, would just be like, oh, so you really think non-attachment is the key happiness. I was like, I meant that more in a material sense, that we come to the world with nothing. You leave the world with nothing.

thing. For so much of my life, I was just chasing money and success and superficial things. Yeah. That that's what it meant to be. So it was, it's a heart with a keyhole and a key. Yeah. With the word non-attachment all the way. So this is like 10 laser tattoo removal sessions in. Does it hurt? It's gone. I don't know if you could, whoever's watching the video. It hurts a lot. Yeah. And then it gets easier as it goes. The more ink you have. Yeah. And then I also have. have another tattoo here that I'm almost getting rid of. So it's a heart.

It was a heart. It's greater than money sign. So it was like it was supposed to be life is greater than money or like life is more important than money. Yeah. But the heart was in red and the greater sign and the money was in like the dark green ink. Yeah. So dark green is easy to get rid of.

Yes. But red is so hard. Oh no. It just looks like I have like this club stamp that this won't come on. Oh no. Now you're telling me that. I just think twice for tattoos. I don't think.

even once before I get a tattoo. Well, there's some that are cool, but I was just saying, you know, Snooki from Jersey Shore? Yeah, but I heard this story because I was listening to your podcast and you accidentally called her snooky, even if the real name was Nicole, and that was embarrassing. You did your research. Well, I just got a tattoo with her and I got in red ink and they're cherries. And I'm like, I don't know if I love them or not. And if you say that that's the hardest. That will not come off.

Red is actually the hardest color to get off. If you are, you're joking. But that looks cool. You think so? I like how it looks textured, or is that because it's really just brand new? Yeah, just like two days ago. Okay. It's just scabbing.

Okay, gotcha. I would comment as to what it could be taken as. Oh, no. That's so crazy. That's like the one tattoo where I was like, I might get that one removed. Okay. It's a process. I'm not saying it can't, but this is over 10 sessions in and it's not getting any better.

Down. Okay. Well, lesson learned. I feel like, okay. But I like the butterfly. And you know what's funny is like my wife is all about butterflies? Yes. So wait, what's on the, what's on your tricep?

Mine's a crying butterfly. I just thought that was kind of cool. Wow. This is a swallow bird. Yeah. But the funny story is I got two on both sides. And I was out one night. I was young.

I was like 24. And I still said this day, like I have the same friend group back home in my small group. And my ex, like my first love high school. sweetheart is a tattoo artist and he did them. And I thought they were sparrows for so long and I literally built a whole brand around it. I had wine, a wine label called Spade and Sparrows. And he was like, you know, they're swallows, right? And I was like, oh.

And everyone's like, what's the meaning behind the sparrows? And I'm like, they're the only bird that remember how to fly home. And I love that meaning. And he's like, no, that's a swallow. And I was like, well, damn it. So now my whole life's fly. Just one letter off. Isn't it though interesting how you go through different phases of your life where you're like so you're, you believe

Something's to be so true and you're like, like your tattoo, for example, and now you're like, oh, I got to get that removed because we reinvent ourselves all the time. And I feel like you came, where were you born? Well, just to continue with that thought, that's why I love the butterfly so much because of what it symbolizes, right? Yes. A caterpillar goes into a cocoon. And what's interesting, and I learned this recently, is that it's not just the caterpillar suddenly grows wings and becomes a butterfly. every part of the actual caterpillar decomposes, deconstructs. So it loses its original shape completely in order to turn into this beautiful butterfly.

And so when we think about the different chapters in life and journeys that we need to go through, even though it's so hard sometimes to go through these changes in life, you know, it's the hardest thing in the world to have to let go of a friend group or let go of certain beliefs that you've had or whatever. the dreams that you once had and you thought that this job was going to make you happy, this city was going to make you happy, this group of people, this relationship partner, in order for you to actually grow wings and become that next evolution of yourself, you have to sometimes completely let go of everything that you are, completely deconstruct yourself, and that's how you grow wings.

So every next evolution of life requires you to, let go of who you are currently. So I think it's such a beautiful thing that life can have so many chapters and twists and turns. Because like I certainly would have never imagined that I'd be like sitting across me right now having this conversation

if we didn't go through like if our life didn't go exactly the way that it was supposed to. Isn't it crazy? I always think I sometimes go way too deep. You'd think I was like high all the time because I have these thoughts where I'm just like, what if I didn't?

I remember going to this one dance competition and I was mad at my mom. And that's when I went out there and I danced harder than ever because I was like, I'll show her. And then that got me a scholarship to move to Vancouver when usually, I don't know why I was like, I think I was very like shy as a kid and I was insecure and I didn't dance as outgoing and like as true to myself as I could because I didn't have the confidence. And that time I just did it and it got me the scholarship. and that got me to Vancouver and then that got me to just kind of like get outside of my shell a little bit, which I started dancing for a CFL, not NFL, which got me to like meet this person.

And the reason he broke my heart is the reason I got on The Bachelor. Like everything that happens in life, I'm always like, whoa. Exactly. And I've had to reinvent myself so many times because I've had to let go of older beliefs, patterns, visions and versions of myself that I thought that's who I am. That's who my mom told me I was. That's who my dad told me I was. That's what my friends told me I was. And I always say this.

The more you work on yourself and the more you go and put yourself out there, the more it exposes other people who haven't. And it's just interesting to go through life, like surrendering to what's next. You know? On my last anniversary card to my wife, I wrote this message like eight and a half billion people in the world. And God chose us. Oh. Right? I mean, if you stop to think about that, eight and a half billion people in the world, right?

And the people that you're with, what are the chances? Whether that's your best friend, whether that's like your relationship partner, whoever that is, I'll tell you a quick, funny story. So how I met my wife, we have a running joke is that we actually got married on the day that we met. And what happened was, well, you'll hear the story. You're like, let me finish the joke, if you want for anyone watching. in the video. I'm happy to share a picture of this. Okay. Yeah. But I was at the lowest point of my life

when I turned 30 years old. And sorry if I'm messing up some of the questions. Oh, God, I love going off going on. Yeah. This is just for like, if I have to. There's one off of mine. And so I was at the lowest point of my life, entering my 30s. I was completely broke. I was depressed. I was going through a bad

relationship breakup. All the dreams that I had in my life I just felt like we're no longer going to work out. Yeah. And I was two weeks away from getting evicted from my apartment. And as you can imagine, is someone, especially a man turning 30, you just think that, you know, your life is going to start taking shape. You're going to be at a certain place in your life. And everything felt crushed. One of the things that ended up happening, I was praying to God a lot.

And I was just saying, give me any opportunity. Whatever it is, I will take it. There's opportunity around us all the time, right? but like sometimes we're not always open-minded to it. So I'm at this lunch and this makeup artist happens to be there. And she was popular on Instagram and she was telling a story to a group of people about how she's traveling all over the world. And she's hosting these sold-out makeup seminars where girls are paying like $250, $350 to learn makeup. And I was curious.

I was like, well, how come you don't take that model online? and she's like, oh, that's a good idea. I just don't know how to do this. This was eight years ago, so this was before like Instagram Live, Facebook Live. Oh, no, more than eight years ago. It was like over 10 years ago. Yeah. And she goes, oh, yeah, I just don't know how.

And so I blurt out, I can do it. Even though I knew nothing about like online education, running a school. I knew nothing about building a website or makeup or anything. Yeah. But I was just like blurted out like almost as if something possessing. me. And then she looks at me and she goes, okay. And so we become 50-50 business partners. I have 600 bucks in my bank account at this time. Again, like my rent's like $1,200. I can't pay that. I have $600 in my bank account. I've got two weeks left. And so I go to Best Buy and I'm asking

like the salesperson, what is the cheapest setup that I can buy a webcam and some soft box lights? It was $200. So I spend, you know, a third of my money on that. And then I come back and I'm like, all right, I got the lights, I got the webcam, now I need a website. So I go on Craigslist and I say, hey, for $400, can somebody build me like a cheap website that... Really? Yeah, yeah. And I was willing to sort of bet it all, because I had nothing to lose. I was going to get evicted anyway. And so somebody, like, I get all these responses to that ad and people are just like, $400 for a website, like, you're crazy, you're so cheap, you're so that. And I'm like, that's all the money I have. And so one person responds and is like, hey, you know what, I'll do it for you.

But if it's a success, like just pay me a little bit more after it launches. And I was like, done. Like, let's do it. And so in order to build the website, I wanted like some sort of video that explained what the school was about. Like how the whole school would work was you can sign up for teaching. You get live online classes if you're a member. So you have to go past the paywall. So in order to explain what the school was about, I needed to host like a video on the front page of the website.

Well, to host a video, I had to upload it on YouTube. So she wasn't a YouTuber. She was an Instagrammer. And we were going to go live with the whole announcement of the school launching the next day. So I published the video on YouTube. We get the site ready. And then I go to bed thinking, hey, tomorrow, like around noon, we're going to launch and hopefully it does well. I wake up at 8 o'clock in the morning and my email box is flooded with like inbox inbox,

new, new member, new member, new member, new member. And so I'm just like, oh my gosh, wait, we haven't announced yet. Like I went on her Instagram. Did she announce a class early? Like what happened? She hadn't announced. And so I call my web developer. I'm like, our website's glitching.

We're just about a launch. It's creating all these fake subscriptions. He's like, all right, let me find out what's going on. I'll call you right back. and he calls him back like five minutes later and he goes, DART, those are real signups. No. And I was like, what are you talking about?

Like we haven't promoted it. He's like, no, that YouTube video that we uploaded in order to connect it to the website, for whatever reason, that video ended up going viral. People discovered the school through that. And then within that 12 hours, we had made $250,000. I was days away. from being evicted from my apartment. And then how it connects my wife is.

So the makeup artist was friends with my wife. Invites her for a wedding makeup tutorial class. And I was running everything from my small little studio apartment. Oh my God, this is amazing. So the makeup artist is like, hey, this class isn't going to be in my studio. Right. But my wife thinks it's like a professional studio like this, like the one that we're in. She didn't realize it's some guy's apartment.

And again, it's a wedding full face makeup class. So she shows up in a wedding dress. Oh, my gosh. With no makeup on at my apartment. And she arrives sooner than the makeup artist. So it's just like her and I in my apartment. And like she's like so awkward. I'm like, hey, can I get you some and drink?

She's like, no. Like, you know, she's just so tense. I had a roommate as well. As we're having this conversation, my roommate comes out in his bathroom. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Can't get like any worse. Like, poor girl. She's so uncomfortable.

What am I walking into right now? So the makeup artist finally arrives. We do the class. The class is like this big hit. And then afterwards, like to celebrate the success of the class, the makeup artist goes, hey, why don't we all go out for drinks? Yeah. And, you know, my wife was like, let's do it.

But the problem was the only outfit she had was a wedding dress. Stop it. And I was wearing this long button of white dress shirt. So everywhere we went, people had thought we had just gotten married. So you started saying, yes, because I was broken. They were all trying to buy us free drinks. And I was like, yeah, keep the free drinks coming. But the reason I bring this up is because if I wasn't like on the edge of being broke, right,

I never would have met that makeup artist. I never would have gotten into that business. I never even would have met my wife. And so whatever we think today is our biggest struggles, sometimes becomes the reason for your success. And it's all about having that right mindset and embracing opportunity when it comes. I love this story so much because usually you hear like,

oh, we met on Tinder. Like we met online. There's like something, you know, but that is a cool and beautiful story. And I just love that so much. Okay, here's something about me. Once I get into a new place, even if it's a friend's place,

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Did you understand as a kid? Because your family was struggling. Am I wrong? Yeah. Did you understand that as a kid or is it just all you knew? Well, I grew up as the only Indian kid in my entire city outside of my older brother. But he was always older, so we never really quite went to the same school. And so here I am like, you know, this is in Alameda.

So it's in Northern California. I grew up. I was born in Oakland. I spent most of my life growing up in Northern California, moved to Southern California about 12 years ago. So I had a turban. And as you can imagine back then, there wasn't like a lot of awareness around bullying. And the only sort of comp for Indian culture at that time was a poo from the Simpsons. And so there wasn't like the best image of what Indians were.

And my parents were struggling. They came to this country with like $7 in their pocket. So my parents would work in the bank during the day, and at nighttime, my dad would drive a taxi cab all night. And my mom would help support the business. So we were alone quite a bit, my brother and I. But because the only vehicle we had was a taxi, I would get dropped off to school in a taxi with my dad wearing a turban. So you could imagine as to how hard that was.

So I didn't, you know, when you're a car, kid, you don't really know you're poor until other people kind of start pointing it out to you. And it's such an elementary target for kids to point out like certain things, right? A race, the not having enough money, your looks. Like that's so, they're like, the kids don't know low hanging fruit. That's, they just do it, you know? And I wish I could even say it gets better as adults. But like, honestly, even when my wife and I started doing a little well for ourselves, I still

found ourselves like in situations where someone would judge the handbag she was wearing because, oh, that's not a Chanel. That's a Louis Vuitton. No one wears Louis Vuitton. But like just the silliest things. Or that was from the season before. That was right. So it, it stays with you even into adulthood. It really just depends, I guess, like on your circle and what your internal values are. Right. And how and at what point in your life did you start learning what your internal values were? Oh my gosh, late in life. Yeah. I mean, I think men, it takes them a little bit longer.

But, you know, for me, I was just lost quite a bit. My parents were always gone. I didn't really have that mentor figure to, like, teach me what was right and what was wrong. And I really had to just make all the mistakes in the world in order for me to eventually get to a place to realize that I am the common denominator in all of this. I spent so much in my life where every time something would go, wrong for me. I would just blame the economy. I would blame somebody screwed me over. I would blame the timing. I would blame not having enough resources or this or that. And then when I actually started getting positive results in my life is where instead of looking outside of the window as to what

went wrong, I started looking in the mirror. It's really hard to do. And when you look in the mirror and you take responsibility, the most powerful thing happens because if you don't see yourself, as part of the problem, you'll never see yourself as part of the solution. Yeah. And so by you actually accepting responsibility for everything that goes wrong in your life, you're actually starting to take power. You're starting to take control. You're starting to realize that your destiny is in your hands and no one else gets to

control that for you. And so once I realize that I am the decider of my own fate, that's when I decided to start really investing in myself. because external success starts with internal success, right? You don't just get ripped because you go to the gym. You get ripped because you decided internally that you are going to be consistent, that you're going to wake up early, that you are going to eat healthy, that you were going to do all these things.

Consistently over time with patience. Patience, I think, is the hardest, you know, lesson to learn in that because the buzzword manifestation happens so much and people think you just like, you want it so bad that you're going to get it. and you don't realize that you have to put yourself in all these different situations and put yourself outside of your comfort zone in order to, you know, I keep using the word surrender, but to like a new way of thinking. How many podcast episodes is for you?

Oh, I think we're on like 982. Oh my God. Wait, I don't know, 982.1. Wow, that was so precise. Well, I'm making it up. But I know that my. That my 1,000th podcast episode will be, I think, November 21st. I'm sure your first episode, your first 10 episodes, your first whatever, it was hard.

It was uncomfortable. It was outside of your comfort zone. And like now, you know, you're almost 1,000 episodes in. And people could easily look at you and just be like, oh, wow. Like, you know, it seems so easy for you. It seems like, look at all these reps that you've put in that have enabled you to get the kind of guests that you have. Right. And it enabled you to get the kind of brands and opportunities.

Well, and I go through so many seasons. with podcasting too because when I first started podcasting, no one really had one. Now everyone has one. So I see it in, you know, my own numbers. And then I start thinking, am I failing because this happens and this happens. And then I see them go right back up. And then I'm like, okay. And I have to always check myself of like what success means to me in what capacity. Because like I'm so grateful that I'm still podcasting. And I am so grateful that I get to like learn lessons from people that listen and who have listened to me since the beginning and that's eight years and sometimes they'll give me some criticism and I have to learn to not take it so

personally or take it a little personally and learn from it and be like these are my listeners. They want this is what they want from me and and you know have some accountability with how I show up to this podcast and and it does show in the numbers but I go through so many seasons of life because it is my main career and it is what lights me up the most. So I never want to stop. But with that comes, you know, I've had two, I wouldn't say failed businesses. I had a hair accessory line that shut down. It was my decision to shut it down, but also I decided that because I'm like, how many people are really buying scrunchies anymore? It was like kind of like a trend. And I wasn't finding myself enjoying it as

much. And it felt like kind of a chore. And I was like, I don't know. Same thing with my wine label. everyone's like, where did it go? And the truth is, the facility that made my wine shut down. And they were in the business with their family for over 100 years. And I was just so bummed because I was really starting to see it take off. And I know you've had like quite a few situations where even privately or publicly, you've had the quote unquote failures. What did those times look like for you? Oh, my gosh, there were some of the darkest times in my life. You know, the thing about depression. is it's not just something in your mind, it's something in your body, right? Like you can actually feel it. And the hardest thing is that it's something that you fear and it's something that you are struggling

where it's like you have a desire to be productive. Yes. But your body physically cannot move. I've been there, yes. Right? You don't want to be, you want to be with friends, but like you also need to be alone. Yeah.

It's like the thing that you want is also the thing that you are fearing the most. Absolutely. And the problem during those times is that anxiety is at an all time high. And then we start to have these internal thoughts in our head. And you start to think that those thoughts are real. But those thoughts can be, those thoughts can exist and they can be true. But that's also not you. Right? Like you have to be able to talk back to those thoughts. Yes. And make yourself realize that I am not this person that I am saying in my head that I am. And you have to be able to keep pushing past that. So yeah, I mean, I've had, you know, some pretty big business failures that I was kind of alluding to earlier. And in a way, like, it just all once again gets you to be the person that you ultimately are as long as you continue to stay.

resilient. Right. And as you talk about like the different seasons that you've gone through with podcasting, I'm sure there's been seasons where it felt like every single thing you were doing was missing. Yes. And then you start to think, am I falling off? Am I a husband? Do I not have this anymore? Those are those internal thoughts, right? And you can see the other people who are doing it and you go, okay, they're better than me. They're more successful. And you do the comparison. And what is the difference between that and comparing your own handbag to somebody, else's right right it all goes back to we are our own internal hardest critic we compare the best of other people's lives with the worst of our own and that's what makes it so hard but in reality

that shiny glittery handbag isn't always gold i know right like we might think that that is happiness that that person is better off or they're better than us or they live some happier better life, but that's not always true. And the more that you can just think about yourself and how to improve yourself even 1% every day, that's what's going to get you further. But it's hard not to spend time in those sad thoughts of just thinking, why do other people have this and I don't have this for myself? It's so easy to be, sadly, it's so easy to be sad. It's easy to think negatively. it's easy because your brain is that powerful because I've learned. I was always like, why is my brain not on my team?

And then it's like your brain is protecting you. It's just like trained to do that. And you have to know that that's not what the truth is. But how do you do that when you're like, it's so mind, body connection. Like what you feel in here is different from here. That's so crazy to me what our bodies do and like what they're capable of. But I think I know the answer to this. But I wanted to ask what did failure teach you that success never could?

Oh gosh. Failure taught me how to be compassionate. It taught me how to empathize with other people. You know, one of my favorite sayings is that the depth of your suffering defines the height of your joy by the Dalai Lama. And so for, you know, those of you that don't know my story just quickly, after I'd gone through the toughest time in my life, I really just felt paralyzed by depression, by anxiety. I just felt like I couldn't move forward in my life anymore.

And then... Was this around 30? This was at 30, yeah. And then I started realizing that even though I felt so alone, I was actually not alone, that there's so many people out there that get to a point in their life where they feel like their dreams didn't work out the way that they hoped it would, that their life, that they imagined growing up, that there was. so excited about what happened. Like, you know, what happened in those dreams and that excitement? And now I'm stuck in this like daily grind that doesn't fulfill me or I'm struggling to even pay bills

or just keep up. This isn't the life that I imagined for myself. So I realized that I was not alone in that feeling. And so I wanted to speak to other people who were going through what I was going through. Yes. And so I actually turned my pain into purpose. Yes. And I turned my struggle into stories. And so I started opening up about the things that I was going through. And ironically, I ended up building a whole community of people just like me. And so when I meet someone now that says, Dar, I'm going through this hard time. I'm going through this bad breakup. I'm going through this health problem. I'm going through people judging me and thinking that I am a failure or I'm the black sheep or I am going through financial problems or depression or whatever, I can look at

that person and say, I know exactly what it feels like. I mean, I don't know what it feels like to be you because obviously everyone's pain is different in their own way, but I know what it feels like to feel hopeless and at their lowest point and feeling like life is never going to get any better. And because of what I went through, it actually gave me this unique superpower to be able to connect and empathize and bond with people. So, you know, I'm grateful for those hard experiences that I've been through because ultimately that allows me to have the community that I have and to build the real human connection that I do.

It really does that. Just the low points in people's life and the coming out of it, it does create so much connection. And then if you build a platform that's going to help people, like that the world is craving that kind of stuff right now, you know, that kind of content where, People are seeing other people's struggles, not because they're like, yes, because they're like, I feel less alone and how do I come out of it? A third, there's over 30% of U.S. adults feel lonely on a regular basis. So if you think about that, that means there's likely someone in your family, someone that you work with, or you are feeling alone. Yeah.

And what's even more sad is that there are one out of four teenagers that report feeling anxious or depressed. Well, and they don't have the capacity to know it gets better. And they also don't understand that their feelings are okay and how to communicate that to somebody else. So likely, if you know of a young person, they're probably silently struggling and they don't even know how to express themselves. And so what do adults do when we don't understand why a teenager might be acting out or in a way that, you know, we don't approve of? We start to judge. We get

upset. Why don't you snap out of it? Why don't you get motivated? This and that. But what if they don't need discipline? They actually just need love. Yeah. And to be seen because 80% of anxiety and depression starts before 14 years old. Mental illness starts before 14 years old. And so that's when teenagers actually and kids need like the most love and support, but often don't get it because they don't even know how to communicate what they're going through. And not only that, they're also going through like hormone changes. And they don't understand that.

And they don't know how to communicate that alone either. And it's just such a tough time. I remember convincing myself. I remember, I want to say I was like maybe 12 and my parents were separating, not divorcing, and they sat us down and we read books on separation. And I remember starting to convince myself that I was sick so that I could have an excuse for being sad. So I, and it worked. I would, I was, I remember like a whole year of my life, maybe I was younger because I remember it was the fifth grade. I was always sick because that made me.

me get the love for my parents. It made me have the reason to not go to school. It made me like this associate from what was going on and think about like, oh, and it caused so much anxiety in my life. And that's really where it started for me. Yeah. That's so sad. I know. Don't you wish you could just go back to that younger 12 year old you and just like hug yourself. Well, I do all the time because I do like, I do visualizations all the time of like going and visiting my younger self and giving her that hug like in my brain and it I mean it's not the same but it definitely helps because I think for me it's one of my greatest fears of we're all going to do something that like you know obviously your parents couldn't give you certain kinds of

needs that you had because they're trying to provide so hard in other ways and how do you like show up how does that change how you parent as a father now because you have three daughters Yeah, going back to my parents, they came to this country not really understanding, you know, how things work here. They came in a completely different system that was broken. They didn't even speak the English language. And so a lot of what I was taught growing up was actually the wrong things. I had to learn a lot on my own as to what was right and wrong. And when you were, when you're a kid, you think that your parents are heroes.

You think that everything that they do or say is the truth. You don't know that they're also struggling to figure it out themselves. And so as I became an adult, I spent a lot of time having to unlearn and undo a lot of that pain in trauma and just wrong advice that I had absorbed from my parents. And so my goal as a parent is, was that I want to give my kids a childhood that they don't have to. to spend the rest of their lives trying to heal from. Right. And so I am so grateful now to be able to know as a kid, who was I missing? What kind of father did I need that I didn't have that now I get the opportunity to actually be for my own children. So I get to show up for the breakfast. I get to show up for their plays.

I get to show up to pick them up after school and take them to ice cream and let them know that like, hey, even if you mess up, even on your worst day, daddy always loves you. Daddy's always got your back. Daddy's always going to be so proud of you. Because these are the things that would have helped me so much hearing growing up. Isn't it crazy how the most obvious thing? Like, a lot of times I think parents think, well, of course I love them. Or like, you know, that generation of parents that was so tough and hard. It's like that's how they showed love. But it's like to just feel seen, heard, and loved is what so many kids need. I find myself being hard on the people I love the most because I want them to succeed

and I want them to do. But really, even as adults, they still just need to feel seen, hard and loved. I was going to say that, even adults, too, we tend to think of, hey, it's okay to be vulnerable or sad or whatever when you're a kid. But as an adult, you have to have it all figured out. Right. And that creates so much more pressure. And it creates even more pressure when we all play roles in lives.

Right, where we at work are expected to have all the answers because we're a parent or we are an uncle or an aunt or whatever, everyone looks to you for advice and you're the person that's always supposed to know what's like right and have it together and be strong for everyone. But that's hard. That's a lot of pressure. I mean, you know, I'm grateful to be in a career where I get to spend a lot of time with like CEOs and CMOs and influencers and celebrities and athletes and, you know, people that others would perceive to be. be very successful and have it all together. And I can honestly say everyone is trying to figure it out. Totally. Like even the most successful people that you think have all the answers, even me, you know, on a daily basis, even though I think that, hey, I'm 42 years old now. I've made plenty of mistakes. I should have it all figured out now. I still have bad days. I still have bad moments.

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I didn't handle that right. I would be so hard on myself. But now I give myself the grace to be able to say, you know what? I'm going to try again in the morning. Yeah. I'm going to wake up and talk to my daughter and say,

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We talk so much about how our failures lead to such growth and learning lessons, but it must be so terrifying to want to protect your kids from failure. How do you navigate that? Yeah. So, you know, I look at failure now as it's almost like collecting little gems in a game. Yeah. Like if you can think of it as a video game where every time you fail, you collect a gem and you become a little bit stronger. Yeah.

The most successful people in life, they don't try to run from failure. They actually seek failure because failure is just information at the end of the day. Always. Right? There's the emotional. Why is failure so hard? There's the emotional aspect of it. I didn't get this job.

I failed this exam. You know, life didn't pan out the way that I thought it would be. This breakup happened. Why are we so hard on ourselves? It's because we worry about what is the perception of others, right? we worry about what if this will be my life forever, even though we know it's not going to be because guess what, you've probably been through something like this multiple other times in your life and you've somehow survived it.

Yeah. Right. So if you just look at failure as if there's, you know, Thomas Edison said, I haven't failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that haven't worked on the way to inventing electricity. Right. Right. So if you look at it as there's all these different pathways that you could go and one of them are success and let's say nine of them are failures.

Every time you go down the wrong path, you just eliminated one path and now your chance of success is that much higher. And eventually, even if you fail nine times in a row, guess what? That 10th path is now 100% chance at success because you gained all this experience from going down those wrong nine paths. Well, didn't you have like a hundred wrong paths before a video in viral? Yeah. It took me 100 videos before I actually got.

one to go viral and you know what keeps me up at night is what if i'd quit at 99 yes i was going to ask you because is that what started the your studios like your whole okay so what yeah like after you're you're trying to create videos to go viral because you have like important information and you think what you're saying you know what you're saying is important and you're trying and you're trying because you're building a brand after 20 videos aren't hitting you're not seeing what you want. 20. What made you keep going?

50. What made you not stop? 99 were you like, I'm going for 100. And then boom. You know, I'm grateful that I had started making content in my 30s. If I was younger in my teens or my 20s, I might have just said, you know what? I've tried 20 times, 30 times, 40 times. It didn't work.

I'm going to give up now. But I had the benefit of being a little. little bit older. I also had the benefit of being mission based. Right. Like I was doing it for the cause, not the compensation. Okay. I was doing it for the mission, not the money. And so because I knew that I was simply trying to help people, well, hey, even if my videos were getting 100 views as opposed to the million views that I want, that's still 100 people that might have a slightly better day because of me. And then ironically, the third part that kept me going is my content was about not giving up. Right.

So as a content creator, you always put out the advice that you actually need to hear. We put out the stuff that really we're trying to learn ourselves. And so as I'm sitting here and saying, what if Michael Jordan quit playing basketball after he got cut from his high school basketball team? Right. Or what if JK Rowling stopped, gave up on Harry Potter? after she got denied by so many publishers? Or what if Disney, Walt Disney gave up on Disneyland after going bankrupt dozens of times,

none of those people would have gotten to where they are. That was what my content was. And then here I am like, wanting to give up. And so I'm like, no, I have to keep going on. This is the end for me. But ironically, the last video was the last video I ever intended on posting. You're kidding. Yeah.

So I had given it. What was it about? I gave up the night before. Uh-uh. But I had that last video to post. Yeah. What was it? What was the content?

Well, I'll tell you my second video that really went viral because I think it would resonate a little bit more. So there was, I looked, all of the videos, if anyone has watched, like a darn man video, it's all about teaching some sort of life lesson. So it's like an entertaining drama, but there's some moral that is at the center of the story. And so typically how I think of storytelling. is what is the lesson that I'm trying to convey.

And at that time, I noticed that one of the communities that doesn't get much attention and often is marginalized is stay-at-home moms. And so, you know, how many movies or videos or, you know, topics do you see on that serving that community? So I wrote a story about how there's this mom who has a long to-do list of tasks as soon as she wakes up. So she has to get her kid ready for school.

She has to go and make his lunch. She has to take him, drop him off to school. Then she goes and gets groceries. Then she picks her kid up. She's making lunch and dinner and she's cleaning up. She's doing laundry. She's doing all these tasks that she's checking off on a to-do list. And her very last task is like, you know, to make her husband dinner.

So her husband comes home from work. He's in his business suit. and he looks around and the apartment is a complete mess and it's because as the mom she'd clean up the whole apartment but as she was cooking dinner

the kid created a whole mess again right so the audience sees that and knows what happened so he comes in she hands him his dinner and he looks at it and just has this blank stare in his face

and looks at her and she's like, what's wrong? Do you not like it? Do I'm going to make something else? And it's just like what did you do all day.

Yeah. Nothing. So she takes her to do list. She's so devastated by that. She takes her to do list.

She throws it in the trash can and she walks out. So now the husband's mad. He thinks she's being dramatic, overreacting.

He goes and he pulls out whatever she threw away. He sees the entire list of things that she did. And then the very last thing was

make the favorite meal for the person I love. Right? After this long day of stuff. So now he has this realization. And what I loved about that video was, you know, it ended up being one of my first videos to go viral. Today it has over 400 million views.

But more importantly than even the views is the impact because there were so many wives that were like, I feel seen from this video. I've never seen content that actually appreciates how hard it is for being a stay-at-home mom. And there were so many husbands that were like, I'm bringing my wife flowers today. Yeah. I'm going to say thank you for. You save so many marriages. But truly. And the reverse is true.

There's so many stay-at-home dads. I don't mean to just put it in one bucket. No, we were just talking about that video. Yeah. It's the actual real life impact that's being made. And so from our videos, three out of four people feel inspired to take some sort of positive action in their life, whether that's like to call a friend. to call their mom, to go out and do some sort of like positive act.

So it's really endearing to hear like how much people are motivated to do good in the world. Yeah. Especially when we live in a time where it's like negative content. I was going to say, God bless you and your little cotton socks for doing what you do because it's, it's, we need this kind of stuff. Just again, you're making people feel seen the, I always talk to my girlfriends. It's always the same things, right, of the staying home and the this and this and then it's like, well, what did you do all the? It's the same argument all the time, but it's just like a different perspective to look at it like that. And not only our mom's doing this,

they're also holding everybody in the household's emotions. And so while they're doing everything for everyone else, they're not doing anything for themselves. And I find that just like, I'm always like, I want to send my girlfriends away on weekends all the time. And they're like, I can't because I've got baseball and I got this and I have to. And, you know, I mean, the men are working too and like whatever your household look like, if the man is staying at home, whatever it is. Yeah. Whatever partnership looks like to you, there's always the two conflicting personalities and thoughts

of what the other person's hearing. Yeah. Everyone's going through some sort of battle that we have no idea about. Always. Yeah. And is this, so people can watch these videos. Is this all on YouTube? Yeah, it's on all of social. And then now we're also, we have original content for Samsung TV Plus.

So anyone who has any Samsung devices. I have all Samsung TV. We just launched a new series called Unlikely. romances. It was actually inspired by my own by my own love story because my wife is Hispanic, grew up Christian, I'm Indian, grew up Sikh, totally different cultures, totally different religions. But the whole series is about how love doesn't always follow the rules and how people, you know, can come together from completely opposite backgrounds and still find chemistry and love and connection. So it's a series that's really dear to my heart. And it's a lot of

fine. Well, that sounds like something that would warm the old heart. Give you some warm fuzzies. I love that. That's awesome. So we have original content there. And then now we have a partnership with Fox. That's awesome.

So we're going to be in vertical drama soon. So it's starting to expand beyond social. Like we talk about money and I know like money helps with success. And I know that's what a lot of people think looks like with success. You see a successful person you think you don't see the journey that it took to get there. You see them. And it's like, oh, money. You know, these people can't have problems.

But I just feel like people hear success stories and think it's easier to bounce back when you have resources. Do you believe that? Like to have, you know, do you think it's fair? Someone who feels like they only get one shot financially. Do you think having money makes failure less painful or just final? Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I don't want to be unrealistic and say having money to fall. back on doesn't make things easier. I mean, I've been in both situations, right? Like for most of my life,

I've been in situations where when I failed, I literally was about to lose my apartment. And I remember there was even a point in time where I had to like go to Macy's or Costco and beg for them to return items that I had already worn or had because I just didn't have the money to pay rents or whatever, right? So I know what it is to have to like give up things just in order to survive. And even And then now, like, you know, when I fail, now I've had a long enough period of success where I have a cushion to fall on, which makes it a little bit easier. But what I would say is like, we live in a world today where everything is democratized in the sense that you have access directly to be able to build a community, to be able to reach

a customer base. There's not all these gatekeepers. You don't need people to greenlight your career. I didn't need to go to a big studio and say, hey, I'm going to put together this film and spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to, you know, create something and I hope that you're going to pick it up. We could literally just pick up a camera and start recording with no budget, no resources. I started in my apartment. Exactly. I have friends and family members as, you know, actors in my videos.

We shot on iPhones. my first videos probably cost me less than $100. And, you know, you now we're living in this time where you're seeing movies like obsession that are made for $75,000 that are on track to do $250 million in total sales. So I would say, of course, money always helps. But today, more than ever, just through your phone,

you can reach a community. And it's amazing to me. Like I saw this TikTok of this lady's like, Hey, my husband and I just bought our first house. We don't have enough money for furniture or food in our fridge. Like if anyone wants to help, that video went viral. Yeah. And now all these people are reaching out, right?

I love when the right things are viral too. Or someone's like, I started this business. Like, I put all my heart and swollen to it. Now I'm having to close it down. And then a community like comes together and like helps that person. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah.

I love it. And your videos are, they're just very direct. There's always a lesson. I love videos where there's a lesson. and someone learns something, clearly millions and millions of people are connecting with it. I think people, like I said, they crave these moral stories right now. I feel like you do a good job of showcasing people who are underestimated or bullied or dismissed, which I feel like even like you said earlier, people who you think are the most successful

are still dealing with these feelings. So I love that you do that. And then you're transitioning into, you're going to keep obviously the videos, but now a podcast. When did you start the podcast? Gosh, our first episode went live three weeks ago. Yeah. How are you liking it? I like it.

You know, everything I'm doing now is to try to get out of my comfort zone. Like up until now, I just felt very comfortable writing scripts and being completely behind the scenes. And so even though I'm blessed to have like as many followers as I do, it's all because people loved the work that I wrote. It wasn't because I would go and like start speaking and people would be hearing. and people would be hearing from me directly. And so, you know, when I hired a new CEO and, like, as a brand is expanding, I started getting advice at like, hey, people need to know who you are.

They need to hear from you. I'm like, I know how to write. I don't know how to talk. Like, they're going to have this high expectation that I'm going to be this motivational person. I'm just disappointed people. But, you know. And you also have guests. But see, now this is like my 10th podcast in, 15th podcast in, right?

If you listen to my first couple, it'd be like, gosh, like, yeah, I don't know about. if that guy is really is inspirational. So it just goes back to, I like to always have the ends of things like go full circle. So just as we were talking about in the beginning, it's all about putting in those reps. And so for this year, I told myself that I'm just going to get out of my comfort zone. Before I can even think of saying no, before I can even process that, because what happens in life? You get asked a question, hey, do you want to start this podcast? Do you want to accept this new opportunity?

Do you want to go on this trip? Do you want to help me build this makeup school? And what happens? All of a sudden, doubt starts to fill our mind. I don't know how. I'm going to fail. What if this goes wrong? What if this, that, that, that?

And then we all of a sudden sabotage ourselves before we even gave ourselves a chance. And so now I just immediately say yes to something. So I'll give you a funny story last night. I'm here because I was hosting the Tribeca X Awards show last night. Asap Rocky was being honored on stage and he was supposed to receive award. It was going to be like the last beat of the night. He was running late. I know.

But the show was at the very end and I'm the host. Oh, God. And so right before I go to announce ASAP as the final winner, the producer of the show pulls me inside and says, Dar, you got a stall. I'm like, like, you want me to go up and say, like, hey, we'll be back in five minutes. And they're like, no, no, like, we need you to entertain the crowd for five minutes, like, while we're waiting for ASAP. And I'm just like, entertain the crowd. Like, what if I'm supposed to do?

A live audience? Can you imagine? Yes, I would have. I love it. Oh, you? Okay. Yeah. And I was my moment.

And this is like an audience, you know, I don't know, right? I'm out of my comfort zone. This is my first time actually hosting something. And so every thought in my body was going, no, I'm so scared. I'm freaking out. I'm this, that. But going back to the mindset, right? That I realize that my mind is going to sabotage myself before I even give the chance for me to say yes.

So I just immediately said yes. I started putting one foot in front of the other. Before I even knew what I was going to say, I found myself in the mic. And I was like, all right, guys, this is the part of the night that we go off script. And I just start riffing. And before I know it, people are like laughing. And I get to a point where I just freeze and I'm like, I don't know what to say. You know what?

I'll just look up some jokes. They're laughing at that. They're laughing at it. Except like on the sidelines be like, can I go on now? You're like, I'm having a moment. I know. And then afterwards, you know, I got off just thinking like, oh my gosh, I completely bombed.

I'm not a comedian. I'm like a script writer, right? And people afterwards came up to me and they said their favorite part of the show was the end of the night where I went off script. And so it's the part that we're actually vulnerable and that we're most insecure. That makes us the most human and relatable. Because I bet you got that room back with you because you were being vulnerable. They felt seen just from you being vulnerable.

Right. You all felt connected in that moment. I love that. I love those stories. Okay, we all know this feeling when your to do list is so long. You don't even know where to start. Oh, I feel like that right now, actually. work appointments, catching up with friends, remembering to drink enough water.

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And you have guests that you're sitting down with. Yeah. I just love the concept personally because I feel like that's, I talk about it all the time, the moment where life kind of splits into before and after and what comes from it. Just a couple more questions because then we've got to wrap up. But I want to know what have you learned from sitting across from people and hearing their stories. Like what's one story specifically that stands out to you so far? You know, when I sat down with Derek Huff and he told me the story.

I watched that. About how much, how he almost lost his wife at the pinnacle of his success. You know, he's won Dancing with the Stars multiple times. He has won Emmy Awards, right? Like he is just at the top of his game and in a split second. He bumps head with his wife while doing a performance. He continues on doing the performance, not knowing that his wife is backstage, literally dying. Yeah.

And when he finishes his part, he comes and sees his wife, like, collapsed. And then he has to decide in a split second whether he's going to go to the nearby hospital that didn't have all the resources that was 10 minutes away. or if he was going to risk going to a hospital that was further out, that was an hour away, he went to the one that was an hour away that had more resources. And the very first time he ever writes the word husbands, they had just gotten married, was what, you know, on this hospital form where he was ultimately going to decide whether, you know, she got to live or not because you end up in those situations sometimes. And turns out, you know, he called his father and was like, hey,

pray for Haley. Like, we don't know if she's going to make it or not. And it ended up being the right decision that he took her to that hospital because they had everything that she needed. And if he hadn't made that choice, she wouldn't have survived. But the reason that that was so powerful is that it reminds me that while we're sitting here, all chasing whatever it is that we're chasing, we all think that happiness, if I could just get to a million views, if I could just get that promotion, if I could just get to this dollar amount in my bank account or this eight pack of abs

or whatever it is, like, then I will be happy and you really learn what's important to you when something that you're not even thinking about gets taken away and suddenly life gets put into perspective. And so I would say, you know, it's always important to remember that the things that are most important are often things that are right in front of you

and we're not even paying attention to. Well, pay attention to you guys. If you're taking away anything from this podcast, it's so true. We all have to do that more. We live in such a world of distraction and scrolling and comparing and just like stuff that does not matter. And you see all these other people of what success is to them and you think it's what it should mean to you.

And it's just like, oh, we need more people like you spreading the kind of messages you do. So again, where can people find your YouTube? your podcast, your social media, what's it all under? It's just my name is Darman. Yes, amazing. Yeah, thank you. This was so fun. I could have, I had even more notes.

Oh, yeah. Like the fact that you bought, didn't you buy Chloe Kardashian's old house? Yeah. What the heck? Did you know it and you're like, did you leave anything behind? Any fun stories there? Yeah, well, there is a fun story. You know.

We'll wrap it with that. Yeah, okay, cool. So after we bought the house. I get a call, like about a week later, and it was the realtor. And he's just like, hey, behind this TV screen that has all the surveillance cameras, there is a satellite phone that was left there. And he's like, Chloe needs that back. And I guess that's just like emergency bat phone that like if all cell signal is lost,

that, you know, you can, but you can call your mercheting contact. So it must be something within the family. But it was just crazy to think because I was like handing back this phone that this phone probably has like, you know, everyone who, I don't know, all these iconic people that, you know, you think about. And so part of me was like, hmm, should I say that I didn't find this phone? No, just kidding. So I gave it back. But I thought, but I thought it was funny. I was like, huh, I bet there's a lot.

of interesting people in this phone right now. Who's in the Kardashians' phone contact lists? But it was a, she's just such an incredible person. The very first time that, like when we closed the escrow, and we came to see the house, it was my wife's birthday. So she had a cake that was surprised, like, for my wife. And it was totally unexpected.

So it's, she's a very thoughtful person. I've heard that. Yeah. That's amazing. I wish I could say about Chloe Kardashian's life. One day. That's on my, on my new goal list.

Yeah. One day I'll buy one of the Kardashians' houses. I don't know. I was just say, you know, just savor the life that's right in front of you right now. Oh, right. I forgot the message. Yeah. That's not going to change your life as much as you think it is.

But yeah, it's good to have goals. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you so much for taking the time today. I know you got to run to the airport. And where are you going next? I'm heading back to L.A. Back to L.A. Head to back to L.A.

Head and back to L.A. I go see my daughter. So, that's so sweet. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. And welcome to Pluto Fo. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see,

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