Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Elisabeth Smith | Botox, Blephs, and the Lindsay Lohan Effect!

Episode Date: January 2, 2025

#803. Kaitlyn’s trusted injector and skincare guru, Elisabeth Smith, spills all the tea on enhancing natural beauty! They dive into Kaitlyn’s recent upper bleph procedure, breaking down the cost, recovery, and debunking myths. Elisabeth also unpacks the Lindsay Lohan glow-up everyone’s buzzing about — from Botox to blephs and a little self-care magic — and reveals how much it really costs to look that refreshed. Kaitlyn shares her personal skincare routine, while Elisabeth dishes out budget-friendly beauty tips that actually work. From Botox basics to the next big trends in 2025, this episode is your ultimate guide to looking and feeling fabulous! If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE! Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals! Spade & Sparrows: Use code OFFTHEVINE to receive 15% off your first order at www.spadeandsparrows.com  EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (6:15): Is Botox safe? (18:10): The Lindsay Lohan glow-up decoded! (31:25): What’s the average cost for popular treatments like Botox, microneedling, and lasers? (34:17): Kaitlyn shares why she decided to get an upper bleph and what it cost her! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So whether it's your first time experiencing Pride and Prejudice, or you've read it a million times, you're going to fall absolutely in love all over again. So go listen to Pride and Prejudice now at audible.ca slash Jane Austen. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now starting. How do you all of me? Welcome to the show. Hey everybody, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Pino definitely wanted to be used. in the podcast a few times today.

It was a little bit tough to work with, but very cute. I had Elizabeth Smith, my friend, and also my injector, my Botoxer, and she used to be in osteoplasties, so she knows all about an upper and lower blest. I just had the upper done, so we answer all of your questions. How much did it cost? What was the pain level? We debunk if Botox is toxic. We talk about all those trends out there on TikTok that are wrong.

And also, we just talk about skincare. so I know everyone's going to love this episode. Right, Pino? I think a lot of people know because I take you every time I get Botox or do something. Something. Everybody knows that you're my, you're my skin. You're the reason my skin looks the way it does.

Skin care-wise, Botox-wise, and we just touched up my lips and I'm obsessed. They're pretty much the best things that we've ever done. Remember when you did them and we pulled up the mirror and I was like, ah! Yes! Yes! Yes, but it's so funny because when you first get them done, they're like so, like, plunk from being swollen.

And then they go down and I'm like, no, but then they're perfect. It's just because if I had balloon lifts, everyone would just, do you see my story the other day about my eyebrows? Yes. To be fair, let us clarify something. You were also in the middle of kicking in talks-wise. And you have new eyelids. Right. And you are what is called a lifter-dominate person.

Yes. So when you talk and you express or you take a photo, we instantly go, yes. And the eyebrows go up to the heavens. Yes. Which I like. We feel we like. Yes. So I feel like some people have preferences. Like I actually like when my brows like really hit that arch. And I didn't realize how many people were like, ooh, Caitlin. And I was like, it's a good thing I don't take it personally because I actually love my eyebrows. But also when I put my head down and lift my brows. It reminds me of Home Alone when the guy figures out it's a stolen credit card. Remember that guy?

And he's like swipe and then he looks down and he looks up. Which camera am I? This one? And it's like, ding! That's me. But yeah. But also it's still kicking in. That was the whole, yeah, because you haven't had, you have to think you have not had talks

in what, eight months? Eight months? Eight months. Yeah. Which a lot of people were wondering. So today we're going to be talking about obviously my bluff. What is the full name? Upper Blufferoplasty. Blephyropyloplasti. Yep. Okay.

And so tell everyone how you got your start in this whole industry. Yes. So I first, when I came out of PA, physician assistant school, went in tachial plastic surgery. So, which is what bluffs are. It's plastic surgery from basically the nose up. Yes. And so that's what I did for six years. I loved it, but I loved the injectable and non-surgical side even more.

So I kind of left surgery a little bit more behind. to explore that, you know, instead of fighting with insurance companies every single day of my life. Yeah. Ooh, that sounds like hell. Terrible. Yeah, that is terrible. So then you got into, that's how I met you was, I guess it was nine years ago now. At least, yeah. Yeah. I met you and I was like, I'm going to just trust you with the talks, which I haven't looked back since. And then you opened up your own spot, Indy, and that is in the nations in Nashville. Yes. And how, How hard was that process of opening your own? How scary was it to open your own business? Yeah. So when I first opened, it first was a dungeon in West Haven.

What I mean a dungeon? I call it it. I had no windows. It was one room. And I was in West Haven. I used to go to your house at that time because that would have been literally like an hour and a half drive for you. Oh, that's nice of you. You know. Wow. Thank you. It's for saving me that time. That's very good. But the first two years, it was just me. And I had. to actually have special clearance even to see you because I had a non-compete and I had to start over completely. I couldn't take anyone with me unless it was like 10 people pre-approved. Wow. Wow. So you really had to like just build it back up yourself. Yeah. And then wasn't Indy like a church before? Yes. It was this old church building. So I was growing out of my dungeon and I was like,

I want to add more injectors. And I felt like I finally had my brand. And I was like, okay, I got this. And so there was this old abandoned church and we renovated it to become indie it's so cute in there it's like it doesn't feel like medical is you know how some places you walk in and it just feels like sterile yes sterile this is like chic and cozy and sweet and inviting it's very inviting yeah it's not intimidating but i just love it and i'm just proud of you for creating your own brand and business what do you think the hardest part about creating indie was learning how to have be responsible for other people because when it was just me if i failed that's on me right and then whenever i brought on more injectors and staff and you know to keep the lights on

it's not just about me i agree with that i also i think we both can do this is people please but i don't do it in other places in my life but if people work for me i'm like I want them to think I'm the best boss. I want to be so easy going. I want to be so chill. I want to like everybody to like me. So I don't set enough boundaries. And I like don't like hold people accountable because I'm like,

no, you do you. I don't want you to hate me. Yes. Well, even whenever I would be training people, like, because I wanted everyone to have consistency of how they injected and how they knew skin care. Yeah. And I'd be like, yeah, we can do this training or not.

I don't want to do it. But we have to do it. Imagine you're like, that's actually not where that needle goes. Well, you do you. Who do you? Wait, do you have a mic? I have a mic now. I'm just silently chuckling over here.

I know. I like it because every time we do a podcast, she's just, like, I always look at you. And you're like the, like, no one knows what you look like, but you're there. And your voice. You're beautiful. Yeah, you're beautiful. Stop. And everybody's just over here being like, who did?

Who do you introduce yourself? Check. I'm Caroline. I'm the worst to be on camera or on mic. I'm like so awkward. No, I kind of like that about you. It's endearing. It's like.

I feel like it's sweet, but I always turn and look at her for things and sometimes I ask her questions and she has to look it up. I'm like, you might as well just have a mic because I can't hear you. When you get your screen here,

I can start playing videos. Caroline. Do you people do that too long? You probably never heard that before. A lot. A lot. Weddings go crazy. Okay, so started in, what's it called?

Ocula, what do you? Yep, ocula plastics. Oculoplastics. You started that, started your own brand, love injectables, love Botox, trained your own team, opened your own place. Now you've created your own skincare line. You're literally living the dream that you've probably always dreamt of for where you wanted to be.

And I feel like the world is going crazy for, talking about skin care, plastic surgery, Botox, there is, it's polarizing right now. There's two sides to the internet of Botox of everything what Lindsay Loan has had done. I know you did this on your Instagram. And for those of you who don't follow her, go do that because you do a lot of misbusting or you're very informative on what Botox is. Yeah, I like to, it's funny because now when I do questions, people are like, take us to church on. Because I'm like, okay, buckle up and we're going to go to church on something. Yes.

Because I just, there's so much misinformation out there that's so silly. Now, do you think people are just spewing misinformation because they want to go viral on TikTok and they literally don't care if they're right or wrong? Thousand percent. We're living in a world where people just want the numbers and to go viral. But the amount of misinformation, not just in the Botox world, just in general, I'm like, I don't even know what to eat anymore. I don't know what's being sprayed on my foods.

I don't know if they're lying to me. I don't know if the drones are happening. I don't know what is going on in this world. But I'm trying to just be like, God, just let me live. I'm going to do what makes me happy. Take us to church right now and tell us why people are trying to go viral saying Botox is toxic. So it's funny because I'm pretty a people pleaser.

And I try to stay kind of calm about most things. But there was someone the other day and they were saying, oh, Botox is the most toxic poison in the planet. And then you literally looked and their skin care was Botox replacement. So I was like, oh, there's no other motive here to spew this misinformation about Botox. Right. So basically people are just stuck on the word tox, like toxin. Right. And they're not even thinking about when it's injected in your face, it's a purified protein.

Right. So why they can do that is like, yeah, if you get botulinum toxin, that could be really bad. But that's not where we're injecting in your face. Botox is quite literally one of the most studied drugs in the world. And it's used in over 100 medical conditions because it's so safe. It's so safe. It's so localized. And anything that they'll say is like a problem is because, oh, you have trouble swallowing

because you injected into your vocal cords in your neck for spasmodic dysphonia. Right. So yeah, maybe you have some trouble swallowing. Right. So half of the problems that people are either even listing. are because of where it's been placed. Right. So what, okay, I always get this word confused.

So when people promote Botox on Instagram, they have to say bio, what is it, botcha, una? Well, there's a few of them, depending on the, you said it already. Una. The una, wait, no, the botulianum toxin type A. Yeah. Yeah. So what is that? And why do they have to like say that on if they're promoting it?

Just because it starts in that form? I don't understand. Yeah. So anything that's like a drug, you have to list the like official drug name, right? If it's going to be whatever it is. And in reality, that's not even its official name because there's like ones that start with an O, there's ones that start with an A. Because now you know you have disport, you have ZMN, you have Daxify. So they're all different variants of botulinum toxin type, whatever. Okay. So when you have that name, it just carries a stigma. Because all that people think about are, like, dying by botulinum toxin back in the day. Right, right. And then what is the difference between disport and... Disport, Botox. Botox, oh, my God.

What the f***? What is the difference between disport and Botox? Because I get... You got a freaking chill out with it. I get disport. Mm-hmm. So what is the difference? So they're both...

They do the same thing. Yeah. They're different molecules. So they're different molecule sizes. They kick in different. They last different durations. But they do exactly the same thing, which is put the muscle in time out. Okay.

Put the muscle in time out. I love putting my muscles in time out. Not my body muscles, but my face muscles. And then filler. Let's talk about filler for a second. Why do people, everyone's talking about the dangers of filler and the migration. Do you agree or disagree with that? So if you do not know where to place filler, like you're a new injector and you're a new injector

and you haven't done any cadaver courses to understand the artificial aging, right? A cadaver course is actually going and seeing a corpse and peeling back the skin and seeing where the muscles at. That's definitely not the way you're supposed to describe it, but that's my vision. Well, it's pretty, so I have done plenty, and the most recent one I did, they actually kind of took me behind the scenes and told me the whole story. And it's actually quite interesting. These people donate their bodies to science.

And then at the end, they get to the families together, and they actually tell them how they helped advance science. You know, maybe the filler one's not as exciting to understand, but, you know, their whole body to filler when I die. And their whole body is dedicated, right? So their heart may have gone towards heart research, but for these, it's just the head. Right. Not that everyone wants to visualize that. But you're basically dissecting every single layer, and you're also injecting filler and then dissecting it on the other side. So you can literally see where the depths are, where vascularity is, how to stay safe, how to understand the different fat compartments and muscles and fascia and things like that.

So it's pretty insane. Whoa. That, I don't think I could do that. And that is why there are people who sit and drink wine in front of a camera and talk and they're, people who can look at, like, that, does that, that's morbid to me, obviously, they're dead, but like, does that, do you go in and just, are you unfazed? You know, in PA school, we had to do so much cadaver stuff just to learn the human anatomy that, yeah, it's still interesting.

Yeah. And just you, like, you like crying over their body, be like, I'm sorry, what else are happening? I'm so sorry. It's so dark. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, but you learn, I mean, it's, So you're in there in the mindset of, like, learning. So I don't know. It just feels different.

Yeah, no, I'm sure you can separate it. I always say, I watch Grey's Anatomy. I know how this works. But I see them, like, you know, have to do certain things. And I'm like, I guess you just do start being like, this is my work. This is my job. Grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with Bud MGM Casino. Check out our hottest exclusive.

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I think you're going to just watch the world of aesthetics shift to rejuvenative to have medicine. because the more we can just rejuvenate and fix the problem instead of just like masking it with a bunch of filler which there's no there's some things that you cannot replace filler with and you were asking earlier you're like okay what's this whole filler stays forever should we be afraid of filler no absolutely not you shouldn't as long as the cadaver course that's where we were getting to with cadaver courses if you understand where to place it you're just fine yeah go ahead and place the filler onto the bone it's just that you can't

go to someone shitty who doesn't know what they're doing. It was just like, I want to give you filler, and then they do it, which it was so crazy. Because I don't know if this person is still in business. Who's the person I went to, like Nurse Kelly or something? She invented that purple roller thing, remember, and Alda Cardassians? And like, everyone was using it. She's who, it wasn't her. It was someone that worked for her that did it, just to be clear.

But I haven't heard anything about her since. I don't know. She's been ruining faces since. Since 2000, whatever that is. It's teen. Yeah. Forking. I don't know. But that was, okay, so it's interesting because does everybody in your industry take cadaver courses? Is that like a must? You and your crew just decided to do it because it really is like beneficial. It is. It makes you a safer injector, makes you a better injector, makes you understand what you're doing? I've taken multiple. I mean, I've been injecting for what, like 14 years. And I've never stopped taking them because it's just constant reminders, constantly trying to strive to be the best and nowhere to place things. And, you know,

like if filler moves, it's probably because it's in a compartment that once you age, that starts to descend, right? So that becomes the problem. Because think about it, I've had filler. Well, we don't even do filler in my cheeks anymore. I feel like it's just like stayed in a good position. It hasn't moved. People are probably going to tell me I'm blind. I don't care. How many times have I done filler in my lips? A million. I've never seen it migrate anywhere. I'm, like, trying to think, I've got filler in my chin once. You've done filler, yeah, in your chin and your jawline. Oh, jawline, yeah.

I've done filler filler in my jaw line. I get so mad when people say I've overdone it. So I'm like, if you only knew how I've underdone it. Yeah. Like, I just think people, there's still like some sort of stigma around that it's plastic surgery or that it's, like, ruining your face. And I'm like, I've never been happier with my face. my face looks better now than it did at freaking 22 because when I was 22 I was no let's go 25 I was getting terrible Botox people are like yeah I'm like I've been doing Botox since I was 25 the difference

is when I was getting Botox at 25 this guy was just loading shit in my forehead and my whole face was drooped like it was bad we have to talk about what everybody's talking about and it's the Lindsay Lohan effect. The Demi Moore, the Lindsay Lohan, the Christina Aguilera, Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. Why are all of these celebrities looking 10 years younger overnight? Did they go hide somewhere? Did they get what I had with the eyes? Are they getting lower facelifts? What is this new trend? Lindsay is a great example of several things. One, self-care. Yeah. Getting off drugs. Right. Just cleaning up her lifestyle a little bit that helps i mean um she's not doing crack cocaine anymore and drinking every yeah okay i do think she got a bluff yeah i definitely think she got a bluff um i don't think she got a nose job that's a big

don't i really don't okay if you look at it i think she had some inflammation in her face and a lot of that's gone and maybe she dissolved some filler too well and makeup trends change and contouring is a real thing thousand percent i think she had a little submental either lipo or something uh because i don't think she's lost a ton of weight. Right. I think the inflammation has left her face, which that comes with a healthier lifestyle, you know, X, Y, and Z. But I do think she's had subtlety things done. And I don't think she's overdone anything. She's a little overtaxed at times because, like, when she was acting, you know, when she was crying, it was like hilarious because her face was like, really? I'm going to watch something. And so I'm like, are you sad?

Are we? So I think she's a little overtaxed, but otherwise she looks so phenomenal. She definitely Lice lip filler. Yeah. A thousand percent. And maybe a little sculptra. I bet you could have a little bit of sculpture. Tell everyone what sculptras. It's a biostimulators.

So it's something that you inject into the skin. It's a sugar molecule. And your body racks to it, creates collagen and elastin around it. Again, more rejuvenative side of things. Okay. And so it just helps tighten. It's literally been proven to make your skin glow. And I have it.

Yeah. And I love that I have someone like you who I've gone to before. I've been like, I really want this. And you're like, Caitlin, we're not doing that. like you you do not let me overdo it you are very demure with your injections very mindful very mindful very demure and i just feel like the people who hate i think i'm able to see like they're either jealous or they're just like they don't get it yeah and that's fine or they they've been told something that they are now yeah they're told it's so terrible and awful and it's just not

the case and and i think it's really sad i think it's so sad in any capacity to not allow self-care be what self-care needs to be for that person. Self-care can mean a million different things to somebody. I was actually watching something where self-care was from like back in the day. I want to say like 1800s maybe where someone created the term self-care. Don't listen to me also because I'm like taking this from TikTok and I'm probably going to say it wrong. But it was about like building yourself up through community. like helping other people to help you and like that was self-care and then it's turned into like

lavender face masks but like i do think it can look like so many different things to people i love looking refreshed i love botox i'm not saying everyone go get it you should get it i'm just i'm an open book and i don't like hiding things i get because i'm like i'm just going to own it because i like it. If I was ashamed of it, I would hide in a corner and not say anything, but I'm, I like talking about it. And I think it's fascinating to talk to somebody who actually knows what they're doing as well. I want to know how much you think Lindsay Law and spent on the complete glove. Like, let's say, hypothetically speaking, she got a bluff. We'll leave the nose job out. She got a little lipo or a lower face something. She did her lips and Botox. How much do you think? Yeah, she's probably

around 30, 40. Thousand? Oh, see, I would guess way more. But what does she go? So you don't think she got a lower facelift? I think if she did, it was what is kind of

almost like a ponytail lift. So it's not a true deep facial plain facelift. I think it was more of like debulking, maybe doing a little tightening. But if you look, there's no like, yeah, or there's no like looking like pull towards the ear.

It doesn't look as though she had anything other than like the hidden facelift, which is now like more of a trend. Also, we have better cameras. We have better videographers. We have better lighting. We have better face tuning. So you can't hide some of it. No, you can't hide some of it. What about a brow lift? Some people were asking about that. You don't think she did. So a brow lift is where they actually have to go into your scalp, right, and pull the skin. So they make little incisions, like one in the middle of the hairline and two on the sides. Or, however in many they need. The taller the forehead, the harder it is to lift. And then they do

pull everything back, essentially, and they weaken this depressing muscle. Oh. Because you still have to have Botox even after a brow lift or else you'll pull back down. Okay. Because what brings half of us to the dance is we don't get Botox. Then we get hooded. And our eyebrows start to drop. And so Botox is preventative in that way to stop that. But yes, you do change the brow position. But But hers, I just think, is better makeup. Okay, then what do you think? Do you think the same thing with Christina Aguilera? Because if you look at Christina Aguilera from however many years ago, I can't tell if that's

like weight gain, which obviously like weight fluctuates. This is a normal thing, people. You can lose and gain weight and that's okay. But hers turned into like bone structure and like it looked like she had a really, like a lot of filler dissolved. Yeah. Do you think she would get it? Yeah, I think she kind of went back.

to more baseline yeah and she may have had some surgical things done as well but nothing where it's an extreme like i said the deep deep plain facelift yeah those are just so much different than just like losing weight i mean ozempic face is a massive thing right now people are losing so much muscle so much fat by going on ozempic right that it dramatically can change the shape of your face just by having rapid, rapid weight loss. People are so curious and I want to talk about it and I enjoy talking about this. But do you ever feel like guilty talking about what people look like all the time? Because I do.

So it's funny. Lindsay Loehan is one of the only celebrities I've ever gone on a story and talked about. Really? I have a really, I feel very strongly about just because they're in the public eye. And maybe it's because I have friends that are in it. And so I just get it. Yeah. That it's like who, that's just not fair to anyone.

I know. But the only reason I did Lindsay was because I did feel like it was like it was so positive. True. And so many people will take the instant thing of like, whatever, Madonna or like whoever looks terrible, they will easily just jump on that and they'll want to like, be like, oh yeah, this is what bad things that they did? Yeah. And I'm like, what if they like caught wind of all the things that, well, they do.

I mean, that's what's so sad. So I have a firm standing on unless it's just something I'm saying very positively, I don't like to talk about other people's faces. I try and do the same. Like, nothing good ever comes from talking bad about someone. And even when I, like, read all of these comments about me with, like, when I thought I, when I was like, do I have eyebrow blindness? I was like, oh, my God, all the backhanded compliments that came with it.

Like, love you, girl, but. And I'm like, oh, like, it felt so shitty. But I'm like, I don't know. I just feel sometimes I, I don't know where I'm going with this, but Pino's very distracting. Jesus Murphy dog. Look at him. He just pushed my mic down, please.

Are we finished? Are you finished? That should be the end of the episode. And that concludes off the mind. I really need you to come off. Off. Go see you. Yeah.

I did see something on TikTok that I'm really curious about. What? If you have an answer. Please. What is it? I have had acne since I was like 12. So I try new things all the time. Yeah.

It's never found something that's completely clear it. There was a trend going around that was beef tallow. It was like just the completely natural one without anything in it. And then there was like this conspiracy that like cosmetic or dermatologist didn't want people to know about that because then they wouldn't be able to sell their products. And they're like, you can just get this beef tallow. And people were like, this cleared my skin up after the first time in 10 years. Did you try it? I got a little one.

But I didn't use it consistent. This is also probably my problem. I didn't use it consistently enough to know if it did anything. I just, like, would sometimes put it on. I need to like. That's a great question is what beef tallow? Yeah, like natural things in general that come up. Yeah.

So beef tallow, I think is a great hydrator. I don't think it's a, and honestly, the less it smells, the more it's processed. So, you know, that's part of it too, is anything can be over processed even in its pure form. So beef tallow, to me, doesn't have an overwhelming thing other than healing your barrier, which is a huge problem with acne. So if you can heal the moisture barrier of your skin, which is part of what acne is, is it's compromised skin. Obviously, there's a bacterial component and things like that. There's hormonal, whatever.

But beef tallow is not a bad thing, but I don't think it's this end all be all other than a good moisturizer. Pillow face. A lot of people out there are talking about pillowface. Now, this is where we don't have to talk about negatively about what they look like, but could you explain the term pillow face to people? Yeah, I think it's quite easy to explain because people are starting to look like a puffy pillow. Yeah. They're just getting overfilled.

They're losing landmarks of their face because they're filling it so much that I think the big misconception that filler lifts is what makes people get overfilled because they think if they keep filling it, their jowls will look better, their marionettes will look better, whereas it's just light. displacement, basically. Yeah. So people are just overfilling, and then they're just getting filler every six months because they think they need to get filler every six months. And you become blind to your own 100% face. Yeah.

And it's the injector's fault. I will always say that. Well, because like I've said, I've wanted it and you've been like, you don't need it. That's for them, the injector to be like, you do not. Yeah. If someone comes in and they list five things that's wrong with them, I'm going to have to have a conversation of why they're beautiful because there's such a thing there of why are they saying this?

There's something way deeper here. Yes. I mean, I know that for a fact because I do it all the time. Is it reversible, pillow face? Yeah. Okay. Just like dissolving filler? If you were like way overfilled, you could look like a deflated balloon, but yeah.

Oh, that would be terrible. I know. But we're pretty, like we have really resilient skin. So for the most part, it's reversible. And then with dissolving filler, I think we're seeing a lot of people dissolve a lot of filler because I guess they're either not going to the right person or they are doing it too much. What is a process like to dissolve filler? It's quite simple, honestly. You just go in it's halironidase. It just dissolves it instantly. The problem with over dissolving over time is,

you know, it does take a little bit of your own H.A. Haleronic acid. So that's what helps plump up the skin. Yeah. And so you don't want to just overdo it. But we replace it. Our bodies will restore it. And what trend do you think is going to be in for 2025 with beauty. I think rejuvenative medicine. Really. So you're going to see so much more of either PRF, PDGF, all of the different natural waste sculpture, I think will grow in popularity. I think you're just going to see how can we use our own beautiful, incredible bodies to restore volume and get creakiness under the eyes and help skin health and skin boosters. Yeah. Because skin boosters are halionic acid, but they're not filler.

So what do you think is the most, like, for people out there who can't afford, like, all these procedures and certain things, what is the most affordable way to get, like, a rejuvenative look? Skin care. Yes. Truly. If you are consistent with skincare, favorite. You will see a change in your skin.

Yes. And it's not going to erase nothing. It will erase muscle movement wrinkles. Right. It just won't. Yeah. But it'll help fight back on it. What about face taping?

Whale. Whale. Staying is good for chest wrinkles, for if you're sleeping, you're going to wake up and feel like your wrinkles are 10 times better because you couldn't frown throughout the night. But you're going to go about and your muscles are going to kick right back in and you're going to keep creasing the skin for those eight hours. Is it fine and great to not crease your skin? Yeah, absolutely.

Okay. Let's get into my bluff. Yeah. Okay. Let's just, before we get into my bluff, because number one question with my bluff was how much a cost. But let's talk money, price points, and budgeting for this kind of stuff. So what is the average cost of popular treatments like Botox fillers or like microneedling? What do you think the average cost is? Botox is anywhere from 250 to 300 if you're just kind of dipping your toe in. Microneedling,

three to 400. Lasers are you're getting a lot more expensive with lasers like 7, 8, 900. And this is dependent, I guess, again, on the customer. But you recommend to come in every six to eight weeks? Not necessarily. I would say four months is great for injectables. Right. So, but if you're doing like micrneedling, you do a series. So I would say one's a treat and you won't see enough results.

Three is a treatment. So you want to plan on three treatments. Well, that could be once a year. Yeah. So like microneedling a series of three once a year. And then, yeah, it just depends on what the thing is. So budgeting wise, I mean, I know it sounds silly. A bang for your buck if you're even thinking of microneedling,

that's going to be more expensive than Botoxes. Right. If you think about it. That's true. I love microneedling. Yeah, that's great. What do you think the best age is to start preventative treatments? It is completely dependent.

So there are some people that come in and they are 27 and they have lines as deep as a 57-year-old. That was me at 26. It was crazy. I had a train jack on my forehead. Oh, same zies. I felt a hot dog pack. My sweet dad. Yeah, so, I mean, there are people that need it.

If you start to see the lines at rest, that's when you come in. Or if you have uneven eyebrows, well, then come in and I'll even out your eyebrows. When I started, I should show a picture. I'm going to show a picture. I'm going to put it, I'll either find it at the end of this podcast or I'll put it on my page because I, again, I know people want to judge, but it's the same thing as wanting a different hair color. It's the same. I love symmetry.

I love parting my hair down the middle. I love things that are even. I used to have OCD around it, maybe still do a little bit. But when I first started coming to you, again, I was having terrible Botox before in Vancouver. I look at this picture of my face because I had done microneedling of my eyebrows too. And she did it before and after photo. But it was from when I got touched up like years later and the before photo and the three years later photo. My face was like what I had always dropped.

My eyebrows were even. I mean, I know they're not supposed to be twice. They're supposed to be sisters, but they were like exactly where I wanted them to be the placement. My one smaller eye was more open and they were even and then my lips looked even. And when I went to Dr. Clippenstein, which L.O.L. is her name for clipping my eyelids and doing my bluff. She was like, your face is quite symmetric. And I was like, I made my whole life that she said that because I was like, that's what I've always dreamt of. So a lot of people ask me why I got a bluff. Oh yeah. And obviously the number one reason was I do have one eye that's heavier

hooded than the other. It always has made my one eye smaller than the other. And as much as that they don't, they're doing that for symmetry, but it does help open the eyes more. So when you looked at my eyes, you pinched the, you know, skin to see like, are you a candidate even for getting a bluff? So could anyone get a bluff or is it only for people who have droop in their eyelids? Yeah. So So if you, so I think I even talk to you right before surgery, if the droop you're talking about is like, so you have the crease of your eyelid, right? The little crease. And then there's the fold above that. And then there's a fold below that, right?

The fold above that is usually due to browtosis, your brow being droopy. The fold below that is usually excess skin or fatty pad that's kind of herniated or X, Y, Z. So if there is excess below the crease, a blef is. an option. Okay. If it's above, you either have to have a brow lift or you're just still not a great candidate. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Because I was like, I didn't know if I was being a little crazy, which I probably was being a little crazy, but I also was a candidate for it because, I mean, I'll show before and after pictures on my social media as well. But yeah, when she saw it, she was like, yeah, you do have a lot more on your left side and we'll obviously do both. A lot of

people wanted to know the price of a bluff and if it is covered by insurance. So, So for me personally, I'm not afraid to say that it cost me about $32 or $3,300, maybe $34. I did go under, which I don't think you have to, right? Depends on the surgeon. Okay, so it depends on the surgeon. How I describe a bluff, because this is how simple it is, is like a skin biopsy. Yeah. Because all they are literally doing is taking a little sliver of skin.

Yeah. They are just, now, it's important for the surgeon to understand how much to take because Right. You don't want to niche your eyelids down to your eyebrows, like it and be even worse off with your eyebrows. That was a question also someone had was, could they take off too much and you can't close your eyes? I was like, yes, that is a thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not dumbying it down that you don't need a good surgeon. Right. But as far as what it is, you're just taking a little bit of skin. Yeah. Just like you're getting a biopsy. They're taking a little bit of that skin that skin has the skin cancer and then the skin's gone. Right. Right. And I guess, you know, for more severe cases, the older you get, the more.

more it impacts vision it impacts vision so the cost could be covered if it is impacting your vision yes you have there's a visual field test that people would go through and the visual field test has to show at the time when i worked it was 25% of your peripheral vision is gone so there's pictures you have to send insurance there's a visual field test and if you qualify insurance covers it yeah ramen speaking of my next question look can you get your stitches wet thinking of washing face ramen i'm always like don't look you can't get a wet, but these stitches, you actually can. I was told to do cold compress. You know, when you're washing your face, you can splash water and just damp,

put cold cloth, like, pat it down. You could totally shower. You just can't put makeup on it. The craziest part is a lot of people, like, how painful on a scale of 1 to 10? I'm like, zero. I did not have, like, it was uncomfortable after because it was so itchy and like maybe the tiny spit sore, so maybe I could say a 1 out of 10 in pain, but you just take Tylenol and you're fine.

But I thought that was crazy that there's zero pain. Yeah, I think lower bluffs are a little bit more because a lot of surgeons will go through the inside part of the eyelid to take out the fat pad. And then they also have to reposition the lower lid and tighten it and anchor it. So lower bluffs, I do think, are a little more. They still don't hurt necessarily, but you have a little bit more recovery. Yeah. Because I've seen photos of people who get lower bluffs as well.

And people are like, why didn't you get one? I'm like, bitch, I don't need one. Yeah. Don't think me think I have to. It's also something I was really scared of doing by sharing this. I didn't want everyone to think they needed one or be like, oh, shoot, well, now I need one. It's not, I'm just, I just like sharing what I do because I don't like hiding things. And I think it's important to be honest about it.

And I think it's cool to give people like, if you were really insecure about it, if it was impacting your vision, like here's my information, but I don't want people to look at me and go, well, hers healed so fast. I'm going to get it done. Every person's obviously different. I did not have a lot taken off. I did not get a lower bluff. I only got an upper with the tiniest bit taken off.

A lot of people will, like, get so much fat removed from their eye. Like, mine was so simple. So I healed really well until Pinole cut my eye on back open. Which, by the way, can you look at this right now? So I'm going to just share one thing. I cried all day yesterday. It was my best friend, Lindsay, who died in that car accident. Back in the day, it was her birthday yesterday.

And I swear these things hit me without me even realizing. Like, I'm like, why am I so emotional today? I was hormonal. Remembered? It was her birthday. Remember that we had sleepovers like every birthday. And even on like our birthdays, our parents would let us have sleepovers if it was a school night.

Like it's just like my body just like reacts. Remember that. I sobbed. I missed seeing Moana too because I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't even eat my sushi because I was like, I do sad. Anyways, it's so. You would have cried in Moana too. So it's probably good.

There you go. I, I just, I couldn't stop. They were rolling out of my face. And today I'm like. like I feel so much better. Also, I feel so much better because Rahman's test results came back that he doesn't have cancer. So yay. This swollen since I had to get it restitched, it looks like I have that sausage link. And I know that's usually what my eyes look like from crime. But they were, this one was looking

like that before from being restitched. Is that normal? Very normal. Okay. Yeah. She had re-traumatize the skin. And the other one's just healing great. So you don't see any of the swell in the other one. Okay. I got really scared. And should I do a cold compress? Yeah, never hurts at all. Okay. Cool is always good. Okay. Okay. How do you you find the best surgeon if you don't have a personal recommendation for anyone? Like, what kind of research would you do? I personally would go to an oculoplastic surgeon, so someone who just does eyes. Yeah. So, yeah, there's, I would never go to a general plastic surgeon ever. Facial plastic, yeah, maybe. But in general, you want someone who has specialty to the eyes. And go and talk to them,

look at their work online. You know, we have the World Wide Web at our fingertips nowadays. So you Don't go on TikTok and listen to what they have to say. No, absolutely not. Please, dear God. You recommended Dr. Clippinside to me, didn't you? Yeah, Dr. Clippinside is, yeah, here in Nashville. She's great. I just love her.

She's a badass, too. Romany, you up or down, bro? What you're doing? You're half on, half off. Pick a lane. That's really cute. Okay, this is a good question. What are the risks?

Like, what are the risks of getting a bluff? I mean, I'm sure there's risk, there is risk to every Botox, to filler, to surgeries. Like, what is the risk of a blef? So basically the biggest risks are going to be that they take too much skin. And that would either affect your brow becoming lower or your eye not closing. Right. And honestly, unless a surgeon is just a psycho on drugs who didn't pass the... Who should be on a Netflix documentary through people's faces?

You're not going to go blind from a blef. Yeah. Like I said, blef is like, I equate it literally. to getting a biopsy of just taking skin. So I think Vlasor, one of the simplest, easiest plastic surgeries out there. Yeah. And not invasive. What about scarring?

Because obviously you're cutting something open. There's stitches. There's going to be a scar. But from what I've seen and heard, the scar goes away actually quite, like if you're putting scar cream on, I guess, or I've been putting, tell me if I'm wrong, bio oil. So truly, even if you did nothing, the. The skin around your eyes are the thinnest skin of your whole entire body. So it tends to not cheloid.

It tends to not have problems. Tends to not, like, raise up too much. And if you think about it, the scar is within your eyelid crease. So unless you're closing your eyes and lifting your eyebrows up really high, no one can see it, literally. That's even people were commenting like when I still have stitches in, but I'm opening my eye. Like, I was in New York for the last three days.

And no one was like, well, I'm in your eyeball. Like, no one, unless they're being polite, but they're New Yorkers, so they're not. it like it does it just sits in the crease and like even i can feel the scar on this one but i can't see it really and that's what two weeks out and it's just getting better and better yeah okay somebody asked how long did the results last does it come back and do you have to do it again so big things that cause it rubbing your eyes will make it come back um hereditary factors thyroid disease you know that creates like a lot more fat pocket prolapse or swelling yeah and then if you don't do botox and your brow start drooping. It's going to look like it's coming back, but it's the brow droop that's

coming in. Right. So yes, you can. I mean, in 15, 20 years, you might be like, oh, I have skin again. And you can redo it. It's not like a one and done. You can't do it again because you already did it once. Yeah. Nope. Can totally do it. Okay. Okay. Somebody wanted to know after the blef, will I be getting less Botox? This is a question for you, because I don't know. Do I get less Botox now? Or do I get the same? And what do I do? So here's the, the thing that is always a balance is lines versus lift, right? So a lot of people wouldn't brow lift, but they have lines in their forehead. And if we diminish some of your brow lift, then you get more hooding on your lids. And so how do we find that balance? But for you now, we're refiguring your pattern, right?

So we want those forehead lines to be softened, but we want to maintain a nice lift. So it doesn't really change how much you're going to get. It might just change placement. Got it. Okay, somebody said, did you notice a big difference? And is it numb there now? This is something that I didn't know that it was going to be numb, which it is, but not forever, right? Or maybe it could be, but it doesn't bother me. I do notice a big difference because it was always kind of an insecurity of mine that my eyes were hooded and that they looked heavy and just closed. And like on certain days, there are so much worse.

And on other days, I was like, I know, it's fine. But I went to just put on a strip lash the other night, which would that have been the reason that that got swollen? Maybe a little irritated. It was like the tiniest little strip. didn't touch anything up here but i was like why my island numb like i was like and then i googled it and it was like yeah it's very normal yeah i didn't know that so basically you're cutting through tissue yeah so you're disrupting all the nerves so you just have to form new nerve connections

and that can take up a day six months let's get pinot to keep popping my eye okay bring back that feeling oh does it fix the drooping on the side of the eye or just above the eye i think i asked you this question too because i was like what what about this part Mm-hmm. So that, again, goes back to the brow position. So is it a brow droop or is it a lid droop? So here's, here's for people listening at home. Here's your test. Or watching. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Hi. So if you take your eyebrows and, you know, we can feel like this little orbital rim, the bone. Yeah. And some people will notice their brow is sitting below that, right? And if your brow is sitting below that and you go take two fingers and you pull the brow up, if the fold goes away, it's most like, brow droop. If the fold doesn't go away, that's most likely blef, blef like territory. Territory. Got it. Somebody wanted to know if I was awake or asleep. Did we already talk about this? Oh, yeah, because I went under, but you don't have to be. No, some surgeons, like the surgeon I worked with, she always made people go to sleep. But yeah, technically you could just do awake.

Yeah. I think Erin Oprah. She would do that. She'd probably be like, don't even give me pain, meds just rip me open. Well, there's Dr. Lucas Bryant here in town. Yeah. He does facelifts awake. What? Yeah. Why?

I had a patient because I referred plenty to him for facelifts. Are you just Xanaxed out or what? Yeah. She was on, uh, what I'll do? She took like meds to make her not care. Yeah. Um, she said the only problem was she really needed to pee. Oh, no.

And she's like just laying there like, I can't move. And you could hear it. Yeah, that, that ain't cool. That ain't the fun part. No. Somebody was like, your eyes looked fine. Why did you do it? I did it for me.

Yeah. That's basically it. I did it for me. I was like, when I looked at you, I was like, oh, it's like you could or you couldn't. Yeah. But now, like, here's the thing. Your makeup, when you put your makeup on when this is all healed, you'm like, wow, I have a platform. I don't have to feel like it's saggy, droopy.

Yeah. And again, who cares? Yeah, I care. And I did it for me. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I do too.

People are always like, you know, it was so fun for me to be like, I finally. can say, yeah, I did go under the knife. Because everybody has accused me of this for years. And I'm like, you know what? Now I can say I did. Yes. The most minor surgery of life, okay, yeah, I did. I went under the laser beam, not the knife.

I think she did it with the laser. Did she? I don't know. Maybe I was very high when she, she told me I was talking about Netflix documentaries that are really dark and twisty, and I was like, did not remember that. And before I went under, the guy was like, and this is just the fentanyl. And I was like,

Stentanyl. And I was like, I'm going to die. I'm going to die. And he was like, it's not the kind that you see on the news. Like, this is medical, blah, blah. And I was like, okay. And then I was like, my throat's closing. He goes, you're going to be asleep in two seconds.

And I went, good night. I went, okay, good night. And then I woke up and talked about Netflix documentaries and I don't remember it. How long should you be Botox free before a consultation? I always just say towards the end of your Botox. So three, four months. Yeah. That's, I did a long long time.

Well, because we were like, like, oh, we'll touch it well. Oh, we're going to touch up well. Yeah. And we could have done it because the thing, what we talked about earlier, you're always going to have Botox. Yeah. So it's not like you have to not have it completely out. But we wanted her to see all in this glory, which was hilarious because someone was messaging me about your Botox, like when you were Botox-free. I was like, I haven't touched her forehead in eight months, lady. Like stop doing stuff to your face. I was like, I actually have only touched up my lips. Like, Yeah.

We did like the helix laser. Helix laser touched up my lips and then, so we did what, half syringe. A filler in your lips. A filler in the lips. And that was because we hadn't touched them in forever. Yeah. I don't remember the last time I got filler in my cheeks. I did skin veeve, which is amazing to tell everybody what that is.

The skin booster. It's so glorious. It says teeny little fine lines away. It's just like smooth it. It's like an instant like filter in the skin. I love it. post-op, really, all I had to do was the worst thing for me was not working out because mentally that hooks me right up.

Like, I realize when I don't work out how much it helps me mentally, so not working out for two weeks, I'm like, I can't handle that. I can finally work out, I think tomorrow is the first day. But basically it was two days, cold compress every hour, otherwise sitting, like not laying down flat, sleeping for the first two days, sitting up. which is why it helped your swelling so much and i did a steroid pack which also helped with my swelling yep and then other than that it was just putting the ointment on and going on as per usual not lifting anything over 10 pounds and not lowering my head behind what not lowering my head

below heart level yeah okay and then i before we wrap up i want to talk about your skincare because i'm obsessed so you have no idea how happy i am that you just refilled me on this because i think i have an addiction. Is it, is too much? I can never do too much. What's in the Dewey Sprits? So Dewey Sprits. It was, it's my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing. Of all time. Especially like say you're really bad at cleaning your makeup brushes. Put your makeup on Dewey Sprits right after. And the reason being is it has hypochlorous acid. So it kills all that bacteria. It has, you can use it after working out of the gym. If you don't want all that gunk and disgustingness and bacteria just sitting on your skin.

Sprits it up. Bring it on the plane. Plain everything. I literally, people are probably like, this bitch with her f***ing spritz. Like, I can't stop. On the plane, I can't stop. Well, it hydrates you because it's haleronic acid and copper peptides.

So the copper peptides are good for collagen. The haleronic acid, obviously, it's going to smooth and plump the skin and hydrate. And then the hypochloris is going to kill the bacteria on the plane. So it's like, you spritz it before you spritz it after, give yourself a dose of hydration. Oh, it's just, I'm like, it's my favorite thing in the world. It's the, it's the, I mean, it's the. It smells good. It just reached over here.

It smells clean. Well, here's what's crazy. That blue is not dye. It is not dyed and it is pure copper peptides. That's what makes that blue hue. Like these? Is completely, yes, dewy pads. I just start using everything right now.

The dewy pads on top, like, I was used my teeth. Does that bother you? That does mother me, don't. I know my mom at home was watching. I love the color of these. Same thing, right? copper peptides. So copper peptides calm inflammation down. They stimulate or help with collagen production, which is obviously a huge. I feel like silk. I love it. And it's like an

instant filter on your skin. Like just smooth everything out. Whenever people see and comment on like your skin like right after you do skincare, I'm like, oh, that's that dagam doy. It's my favorite thing. It's the best. What? Okay, I have a question actually about this. Okay. So let's talk about I wash my face. I cleanse it. In the morning I use. I feel like it's been the same thing for me for a long time, but then I added in your stuff too. So I use your eye cream, under eye cream, obsessed, smooth eye, and then I will put on the vitamin C that you have. C bright. I love the texture of that.

If you love silkiness, it's like a makeup primer. Oh, it's so good. And then I will use the Skin Medica, double pump serum, the mother's milk that I love. TNS essential. And then I will do my moisturizer, the rich glue. Yes. This stuff, okay, I love the texture of it because it's not like super like wet, like runny, but it's not overly like thick. Like it's just like the best because it has, what's that squaline serum?

Yeah, squaline and serum and isomide and all the lovely, lovely things for everything your moisture barrier needs. And then I do. SPF. Yeah. Okay. I love that. And then at night, I do pretty much the same thing. Oh, I also use the Dewey Glob pads.

It's like stuck right here. But is there like a specific order? I know I've talked about this with you before, but for people that don't know, how would you order your skin care? And if you were to just be on a budget, which ones would you choose to use? Yeah. So I personally always say your first investment is A, vitamin C, and a retinal are paved the way.

Oh, wait, I love your retinal, too. I've been using that. It's just, it's not going to flake your face off, and it's going to be just as potent as Tretanoan, which is like the buzzword right now is Tretanoan. But Trettonoan, but Tretnoan, I said, almost said a bad word. It, like, destroys the skin. She doesn't swear, by the way, it's so funny. I almost said a bad word as well, like, tit.

Don't call me out. Yeah, so it just destroys you. So this is literally, so it goes like, trinan, this is a retinoic ester of trinotenoin, and then it goes like retinaldehyde and then retinol and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Retinase, all that kind of stuff. So this one doesn't irritate you, but you still get the insane cell turnover. Got it.

Like for anti-aging. So vitamin C and retinol are your investment pieces because vitamin C is really hard to stabilize. R is THD. It sounds like you're on a drug. Yeah, it does. But instead of being elisorbic, so even the most, like, sensitive skin can use it. Oh, okay. That's so good to know.

I'm obsessed with everything that you do. I'm like, it's so cool how hard you worked at the skincare line because... I'm a nerd. You are a nerd, but that's so hot. I love nerd and, like, skincare nerds. I'm like, I wish I had the knowledge that you had. But you feed it to me and I use it. And my skin is just...

I'm 39 and my skin is 10 times better than it was at 20. You're so beautiful. You are. You're beautiful. That's because you made me beautiful. Thank you for just sharing your knowledge and for, I'm trying to think if I missed anything. Do you have anything that you were thinking while we were? I've learned more than I've ever known.

More than I've gotten from TikTok. Yeah. I don't believe. Please stop listening to TikTok. I think that's the message here. I don't even mind snail mucin. I don't mind some of these trends, like the whole snail mucous. and like that kind of thing.

What about period? Yeah, it's going to hydrate you at. Oh, God. Jodes. What is it? Is it bad? Yes. Oh, my gosh.

It's so disgusting. I got so mad at these two men on TikTok the other day because you could tell they were trying to be like a woman's blood. Like they were trying to be like feminist about it. But it was like, women were like, can you leave us alone on our period? Like they're like, I don't. like, I think having sex with a woman on her period is beautiful and that there's so many benefits to their woman's period of blood. And all the women are like, actually don't touch us.

Actually, don't touch too far away. As far as way. It's led to ourselves. It's so interesting. But yeah, TikTok with so much misinformation about TikTok on TikTok, it's wild. I do take everything with a grain of salt that I see online because I'm like, well, also, what are they selling? Yeah, what are you selling? What are you selling? Come on. Come on.

You want to say this is bad for me, so what are you saying it's good? Yeah. That's what I want to know. You know, it's good for you. Spade and Sparrow's wine. Yep, sure is. Yeah. Low sugar.

High vibes. Put it on your skin. Low sugar helps with breakouts. Yeah. You're not like hypen up the sugar. Exactly. From a skincare expert, spade and sparrows is what you should choose for your skin. Pretty much.

If you're going to drink alcohol, that's what you should be, it's good for your skin because it's low sugar. Yeah. And sugar does affect your skin. Yeah. So there you go. There you have it from a medical expert. Are we supposed to do a confession?

Oh, yeah, do you have one? It's kind of gross. I love a gross confession. You put period blood on your face and that's how you know it's bad. What is it? Confessed to me, my friend. Yeah, well, so it was Thanksgiving. Yeah.

It was right after Gunner was born while he was born in February. Sweet Gunner, who is... Sweet Elizabeth's baby. He's so cute. Oh, my God, it's crazy. So as Thanksgiving, you know, my brain's just like not quite out there. So we're getting ready to have it. And usually I make real mashed potatoes, right?

That's, you know, who does instant? But I was a new mom and I was sleep deprived. So I bought instant potatoes. And I realized right before making them, because you make them right before you serve them. I had no milk. You know where this was going? You used breast milk. I did.

I love that. That's resourceful. That's like, did you tell anyone after they ate it? Well, and to be very clear, too, I was dairy-free because Gunner, for breastfeeding, I had to be dairy-soy-nuts free. Right. So, of course, I just didn't have milk laying around other than my own. That is so cool. I actually don't hate that.

Oh, I don't hate that. It's kind of cool. Only Gunner and I ate them, but. Well, that freaking Gunner. They weren't great. No. They weren't great. But, um, I just got a slab of ashty and gravy.

that is so funny I actually think that's cool badass and resourceful because you're like you're like I don't have milk what do I do I can't should I go to the neighbor

wait a second I produce milk I am a mother I just right into it did you take a breast pump? What did you take a breast pump oh and just like yeah I had it in the fridge

oh you had it okay it was already it was pretty pumped I would have really loved a just the visual of just like spraying into the like mixing bowl. I pumped, uh, in the south of France. You pumped? I did, yeah. I was like, I don't know what this feels like.

So I put a breast pump on. I can't. I'm sure you get used to it. But am I just sensitive? Cause holy, it hurt me. Oh yeah. If you're, yeah, the beginning especially. Because there's, it's like suction.

There's, well, it's different levels. You can choose different levels. But then I assume it gets worse because your nip just becomes raw from it being sucked on all the time where the thing's pumping. And I was just like. God bless you women that shit hurt well I also have a nipple ring

so that was like any yanked okay I'm gonna say there's my confession yeah well anyways it's been really lovely

having you here I wish we can show everybody what the studio looks like but we're waiting for the grand finish and the rebrand and everything but I'm still claiming

I took your cherry you did well you 100% did you're the first podcast I've ever had in this studio. What I'm so honored? It's so cool, too, because I was like, I like it because I feel so comfortable with you.

And I love chalking skin. I love talking blef. And I'm, I just think this is people love hearing about it. Even if they're judging, they're just, they still like to hear about it. You know what we talked about

if you're going to just like hide out for a week or not? Yeah. And I was so proud of you. Yeah. I was like, maybe I'll use it as a week off social media because that would be fun. And then I was like,

no, I don't want to hide and like, say I didn't do anything and then people be like what I just wanted to be like how positive it was I I thank you guys for being so positive because everyone was just more curious and like good for you than being like stop well I mean of course there was but one post I was like

I don't think I saw one negative comment on that and I was like cool even though I feel like when I posted about my eyebrows and having an eyebrow blindness nobody set yourself up for that kind of verbal abuse okay so don't ask if you have blindness about anything online because I was like, first of all, I still, after all of those comments, I was like, I actually love my brows. And I actually do like the high arch there.

I like, I like like it. So it doesn't matter. But I just thought it was so funny because I was like, man, that could really hurt some feelings. Yeah. People aren't kind of time. No, even when they're like, we love you, girl, but I'm like, you. I feel like that phrase should be banned.

That phrase should be banned. I also hate the phrase. I'm going to hold your hand when I say this. Because I'm like, it's so. like degrading or passive or I'm like you don't need to hold my hand thank my anxiety goes up just when you start saying I know I don't need you to hold my hand don't touch me okay I need to go wash my pants I've got pinoslubber I've got eggs I've got rosé and do like my shirt I love it um okay I can keep talking but let's not um thank you so much

where can everybody get your skincare follow you on Instagram all those things um Skindy RX dot com yes and then Elizabeth with an S Smith PA amazing I got stuck. Thank you so much. I'm so hyped. It's like what time? Five o'clock? Almost five o'clock.

And I am going to go have a bath, do my skincare, read Akitar, and be in bed by seven. That sounds amazing. Because New York got me. That sounds incredible. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. And if I'm being honest, I wouldn't mind a rating and review. Thank you.