Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Erin Claire Jones | Human Design 101: Discover Your Chart, Trust Your Gut & Transform Your Life!

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

#832. What if there was a roadmap to understanding your energy, your decision-making style, and how to stop forcing what’s not meant for you? Human Design educator Erin Claire Jones breaks down the five energy types, how to use your strategy and authority, and why so many of us are living against our natural design. Whether you’re an overthinker, a people-pleaser, or just feeling stuck—this episode is your permission to do things your way.Curious about your design? Get your chart at https://humandesignblueprint.com — use code VINE for a discountPre-Order Erin’s book, How Do You Choose? → https://humandesignblueprint.com/preorder-book/ If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Covergirl: Superboost your lashes with NEW Lash Blast Supercloud Mascara from COVERGIRL! Clump-free, smudge-free, and lasts up to 24 hours—perfect for any look! Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.Bellesa: You can win a FREE vibrator—either the WhisperVibe OR a FREE Rose toy with any Whisper order. All you have to do is click this link: https://www.bboutique.co/vibe/offthevinepodcast-whisper Go Pure Beauty: Get 25% Off @GoPure with code vine at www.gopurebeauty.com/vine IRestore: Unlock your best skin with @iRestorelaser and HUGE savings on the iRestore Illumina Face Mask with code VINE at irestore.com/VINEProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Apartments.com:The Place to find a place! EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:(6:40) – The 5 Human Design Types Explained(14:20) – How to Create Aligned Opportunities(29:35) – Type, Strategy, Authority: The Foundations of Human Design(34:22) – Letting Go of the Past: A Lesson That Hits Home!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Please, that one simple thing helps more than you even realize it allows me to keep growing on this podcast, which is very important to me. also bringing on even better guests and making these episodes the best they can possibly be obviously for you. That's the only favorite I'm going to ever ask, okay? It truly means the world to me. Thank you. Now let's get into it. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And we all know that I love diving into anything that allows me to get to know myself and understand myself a bit better. So whether it's astrology or aneograms or love language or whatever it is, asking for signs from the universe. So when I heard about somebody who studies the human design, I was like, must get on podcast.

So I brought an expert on to break it all down for us. And her name is Aaron Claire Jones. Aaron is a human design expert. And what she does is unlock all of your potential to find flow in your life. And she talks all about that on this podcast today. Okay, so let's start with the basics. Human design is described as a mix of ancient wisdom and modern science. But what in the heck does that even mean?

Basically, it's a system like astrology that's based on your time, date, and place of birth, and it gives you kind of your unique energetic blueprint. So it reveals how you're wired to thrive in business, in career, in relationships, and parenting, basically gives you, like, your own roadmap to finding your flow. Whoa. I mean, why doesn't everyone do it? Well, it's relatively new. Oh, okay. And so it's like just growing in popularity and awareness. Yeah.

I think when I first started 10 years ago now, no one had any idea what I was talking about. Yeah. And then like you started 10 years ago? Well, I started studying at 10 years. ago. Okay. And then I would say in the past like four years, it has grown in its awareness hugely, but it's still so young. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it crazy when you think about just all the stuff that's happening with like people finding out what works for them, what works for their body, longevity-wise? Like everybody's doing all these things to try and stay alive longer.

Yeah. Does that have anything to do with that? Not as much, but it's more fascinating. It is fascinating. Yeah. I think it's similar in that I think there's a lot of like inquiry right now around like who am I and how I operate and what can I do to like be at my best. So I would say it's less around like longevity and more around how can I like live a life that's meant for me. Like which I think will create longevity. 100%. You know because if you're doing what you're meant to be doing and you're happy and you understand yourself. You're going to feel better. And you're in more healthier relationships, all this stuff. Yeah. You can live longer. 100%. Oh, that's cool. And it just helps the you I think understand how you operate in a way that you kind of know intuitively. But then human design gives you a language for it where you're like, oh, I do make decisions.

that way and oh, I can create opportunities that way. I'm really excited to dive all into that because for me, I always know that my gut is telling me what's right. I always feel like I'm an intuitive person, but then I will find myself in the most confusing situations and I'll be like, isn't confusion clarity? Why do I not know this or yes or no or why am I stuck? So I'm really excited to dive more into that. And how do all these systems like astrology, chakra system, Like, how did they all come together to create this blueprint? I mean, honestly, like, it's hard to know how we can, like, know this much information based on our birth information. Right.

But they all kind of feed into it. You know, they all feed into different parts of it. So, you know, human design is relatively new. It's been around since 1987, you know, 30, like 30, 40 years. But I think it draws on all these ancient systems, like the chakra system, like the I Ching, like astrology. And they all kind of feed into different pieces. But you can't really see the correlation always very directly. Right. It's not like you're going to be like, oh, I'm a tourist son and I'm a generator. But I think

all the systems support each other really beautifully. Yeah, it's going to be nice for people to listen to this because I think people get very overwhelmed. I get very overwhelmed easily. This is why I love having people like you on the podcast to kind of make it more digestible and break everything down for us to fully understand what the heck you're talking about. Because I wish I started studying this 10 years ago. Ten years ago, I was having sex with boys on The Bachelorette. Not thinking about my human design. I should have been. I should. should have been, but for people that are brand new to human design, which I think a lot of us are, what is the simplest way to explain what their chart is telling them.

Yeah, beautiful question. I think their chart is basically telling them how they're wired to make decisions, like what their strengths are, what are the biggest challenges they're going to run into, how can they find and create the best opportunities when it comes to romantic relationships and jobs, and just like all these other very precise practical details about how they can move through the world with a little bit more flow. How do we get there? Like, how do we figure out If somebody doesn't know their birth time, that really throws it off, though, right? Because it's very specific. It is really specific. But if people don't know, I often recommend they look up a few different times within the range they know. So if they know that, like, they're born in the morning, they can look up, you know, seven, eight, nine. Or I've sat with people that don't know, you know, the entire day. In a case like that, like, I'll look it up and sometimes some things will change. Other things won't. So we'll kind of just like use it as a map to talk about the things that we know to be true. What do you think surprised you the most when you started learning about the human design? I think that when I first learned my design, I was living the opposite of it.

And so, yeah, it was very confronting when I first heard about it. I was 25 because I was just like, I don't actually believe that, like, that's possible. Like, I don't believe I can work in that way. I don't believe I can, like, find romantic partners in that way. And I think it was just really surprising to me to, like, watch it all happen. Where I was just like, oh, this actually works. I think the other piece that was surprising and is my favorite part is how practical it is. I think so often there are all these amazing systems and they give us all this amazing information and then we have no idea what to do with it. And I think human design is like, here's the information. This is how you actually work with it in your daily life. I was going to

ask like how, where would people even start to, you know, because I know there's the five types. Is it kind of understanding those five types and then finding people like you? Like how is it that people can fully dive into this? Yeah. I mean, there's so many layers. So first look up your design. You can at human design blueprint.com and look at your type. That's the first piece. but it's just the first piece. Yeah. So I would say like if you're going to start anywhere, start with your type strategy authority, I think we'll talk about that with you.

And there's a lot of amazing free information online around like what all of those things are. And then if you want to dive deeper, you know, there are a lot of different ways to do it. You can sit with somebody. I have a written guides where you can get kind of like just a book all about you. You know, my book is all about like how do I actually use this in my relationship and career. So but I would just start learning about your type. Yeah. Because it can be overwhelming.

Let's talk about the five types. Okay. So I'm just learning. So there's the generators, manifesting generators, projectors, manifesters, and reflectors. That's right. Okay. So can we do like a quick breakdown of what each one of those means? Yeah.

Did you look yours up? I think I'm generator. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So generators in human design.

Also, I'll just say before I kind of talk about this, I'm never trying to convince anyone that this is true. So like if you're listening, don't feel like, oh, my God, I have to resonate with it. Like, if it's useful, great. If it's not, let it go. Right. So as a generator, you are somebody that has a lot of natural energy and vitality and creativity when you are genuinely lit up and excited by what you're doing. So one of your biggest lessons is having very strong boundaries and saying yes to the things that actually fill you up and energize you and know to the rest.

You're an ideal day for a generator is often one where you wake up energized and excited. You kind of use up your energy throughout the day in ways that are really satisfying whether it's who you're spending time with, who you're interviewing, what you're working on, and then you drop into bed delightfully spent. You're like, I've left it all on the field. And we'll talk about the gut in a little bit. But one of the key pieces for generators is that you aren't really meant to chase after opportunities. You aren't meant to sit at home and be like, what is the next thing I'm going to do? Rather, you're meant to wait for things to just show up in your world and spark a response in your gut and let that kind of drive where you go next. That is so funny because two situations in my life, and I'm sure I've talked about them on the podcast before.

So listeners, forgive me if I'm repeating myself. But I was with a guy when I was probably 20, I don't know. three or something. And he was like, I feel like you just expect things to fall into your lap by just being you. And he's like, but you have to like go out and chase those things and do this. And I remember being like, I don't feel like I do. I believe in hard work, of course. I believe in putting myself in situations that most people wouldn't. But I always felt like things were just supposed to happen for me. And then I would put in the hard work if I wanted that. And then my other four, friend. He said to me, you know, like, you got to start networking. If you want to be in like

entertainment and get on TV and do all the stuff, he goes, you can't just go on TV, get famous overnight and then build something. And then I did that. And he was like, of course you did. Because, but I don't want that to sound like things just happened for me. And I just let that, but I resonate with what you're saying. Yeah. Because I do feel like that's happened to me in my life. Right. And that's how it's meant to be. And like you said, it's not about not working hard. Right. It's about basically just like seeing what shows up in your world and what kind of naturally draws you to it and then you work really hard.

You're like, oh, that feels right. But I think what's so amazing about this kind of way of operating in human design is it can be really unexpected. You might find that a person shows up in your world an opportunity where you're like, that feels so right in my gut and yet like it doesn't totally align with where I thought I was going to go or what I wanted to do next and yet like I've got to do it. Yeah. And so you're kind of really meant to let your life fold in kind of that very serendipitous breadcrumbs way,

where it's like, what is showing up and how does that thing make me feel? Yeah. I resonate with that a lot. Yeah. It's crazy, too, because I look at the five different types, and immediately I think I'm going to be this manifester because I believe I've manifested all these things.

But I'm sure they all kind of loop in together, too. Yeah. And like the names are kind of funny. Like, everybody manifests in their own way. Right. You know, but for you, it is about like, what's showing up and how's it feel and how can I just pursue that? And also, you know, I think you were so right when you told your friend this early on,

like, the more lit up you are. And the more excited you are, the more magnetic you are. So if you're, like, enjoying what you're doing, it's just, like, things are going to start flowing your way. And your job is to just be pretty discerning about where you put your energy. Right. Okay. Good to know.

So then we've got manifesting generators, which are very similar in some ways to generators. They have, like, a lot of powerful energy and vitality and creativity, but they're often very multi-passion. These are my clients that are, like, I'm hosting a podcast. I also, like, I'm opening a cafe. I'm, like, in this coaching certification. And, like, they just, like, are pivoting and trying things on and letting things go. And, like, that's just part of who they are.

they like operate very fast and they can be a little bit disappointed when they realize not everyone moves as fast as them but they're like so fun and so buzzy to be around just like generators are and I don't think I mention this for you but it's so key like when you're really lit up your energy is like it just spills out and it kind of lifts up everyone around you And so, like, there's honestly nothing that beats up being around a lit-up generator. So just, like, it's so to everyone's benefit when you really prioritize the things that fulfill you. For figuring out what type you are, does that have to do with your birth time and where are you? It all does. It all does. Okay.

Okay. So you'll kind of, when you look up your chart, you'll see this crazy-looking chart. And then you'll see all these kind of different qualities and attributes like tight, but it's all based on that chart. Okay. And that's based on the precise moment that you were born. Wow. I know. Crazy.

Really is. So then we've got projectors. Projectors are not really here to be kind of consistent doers. their energy that's, I'm a projector, so I know this one very well. But our energy is really meant to kind of ebb and flow. And it's, our gift is really around asking the right questions, kind of being very natural teachers, leaders, guides. I'm very wise about people. But we often can get a little bit stuck because we try to keep up like everyone else around us and just burn out very quickly. And so really kind of giving ourselves a lot more space and rest and pause in our days.

It's so fascinating even listening to even just these three types because you're like, even in relationships, somebody might be like, oh, you're lazy or you're sleeping. too much when really that's actually you taking care of what you need to be your best self. I'm sure that we'll get there actually about relationships and, you know, figuring that out too. Yeah, no, I think it's one of the best applications of human design because people take things personally. Like, yeah, you're lazy, you're not doing fast enough or whatever. And it's like, no, you're just wired differently. Yeah, and that's okay.

And it's okay. You know, I'm married to a generator and, like, his stamina is amazing to me. But like, when he expects me to keep up, I'm just like, this is going to be so disappointing because I really need rest. Yeah. Then we've got manifesters. Anifestors are very disruptive, innovative, kind of provocative people. And you've got a little bit of provocative nature in your design, too, which we can talk about. But they're really here to just like initiate and get things started.

They're really good at starting things, but not necessarily kind of doing all the maintenance to keep that thing alive. And they're really meant to just kind of like initiate any kind of desire urge that kind of takes root within them and follow it. These people, their energy ebbs and flows, they can be like totally on fire for weeks at a time and then kind of pull back and be alone. and that's really important to kind of honor those natural cycles the last type is a reflector it's just 1% of the population so really, really rare

I know. I mean you know them because it's 1 in 100 but they're very rare these are people that are so sensitive to their physical space and always kind of taking in and magnifying the energy that they're around

and so they need to be very ruthless curators of who and where they're spending time because they're going to feel it so deeply and these people are so fluid they're going to have days like where they feel like generators like manifesting generators

like projectors so their job is just to kind of like honor whatever feels like them that day knowing it's all them. Wow. Yeah. There's so much more, but a taste. That sounds exhausting. The reflector. Yeah. Which part? Like taking on just so much, well, of their surroundings. Yeah. And we all do in different ways. Yeah, because I definitely do. You definitely do. You know, I was saying your design, like, you're such an empath. And so, like, you're probably going to take on a lot of that and other pieces. But reflectors take it all on. But it basically just means that when they're around people that are like, feel really good,

like it's going to be like the most energizing, exciting, like feeling ever. Right. And they just need to kind of build the awareness that not everything they feel is their own. And once they have that, they can kind of like release those things as they come in instead of being like, I'm going to hold on to that or fix every problem or try to resolve every issue somebody's feeling. Right. And I mean, beyond knowing your types, there's also something called your strategy. Yeah.

What is this? Okay. So this is the piece I touched on for you. This is kind of how you're meant to create opportunities. Yeah. So for generators and manifesting generators, they are, like I said, for you. they're meant to just like let things come to them they're very magnetic when they're lit up things are just going to show up in their world and their job is to kind of just see what shows up and

follow it and so for you again that can be like an opportunity that comes across your plate and you're like oh my god that feels right or it could be like seeing someone across the room and being like I want to know them and like I don't know why but I feel drawn to them so for you as being very kind of gut led in your day to day and letting that guide where you put your energy okay do you feel like you do that I mean I know that you share that like you feel that in past experiences but yeah I definitely do that yeah i'm trying to think of like an example but i just i really do feel drawn to things and people like and the opposite too like i will and totally so fast yeah even based on people's energy even if i don't know them even if they're just in the same room as me i will like immediately feel like i

don't want to be around the energy and i don't know why you're not going to have a reason yeah it's so and we'll talk more about i think your gut later but like it's so physical for you it's like you often don't know how somebody's going to make you feel until they're in front of you. And then it's like a yes or no or not right now. And like I remember I tell one story in my book about somebody like even just hearing a friend talk about this guy and like just hearing the conversation, she was like, that's my partner. You know, like she was like, I must talk to him. And like they ended up getting together, but it's like so much like that where you're just like, it shows up and you're like, that feels right or it doesn't. And I don't know why, but I trust

that I'll find out why later. How do you do that, though? How do you actually trust and listen to what your gut is telling you? Because I've, oftentimes, I'm like, hello, tell me. Yeah, yeah. And it's not. It's not. Okay. Can we go on a little tangent? And then we'll come back to it. See, strategy. So everybody also is a way of making decisions in human design. This is called your authority. And so we don't all have strong gut responses. I don't have one of my design. I don't really kind of have that visceral feeling that you're talking about. But for you, the way you're meant to make decisions is so visceral. It's so based in your gut. And it's so. so in the moment, which basically means that as, and this is not true for everybody. As soon as something shows up, it's like, yes, no, or just like not right now. But you also have this like really active, very powerful mind in your design. So my guess is like you have your gut response and then shortly after you kind of get in your head and start to like talk yourself out of it or into it and like just kind of like lose that visceral connection. Does that make sense? Yeah. So one tool I would share with you is that you need something kind of in front of you to kind of spark that gut response.

So if you're ever feeling unclear about a decision, it's really powerful to have somebody ask you very specific, yes, no questions that kind of help you bypass your mind and get you into your gut. So an example of that would be, like, can you think of a thing that you felt like unclear about or you had a hard time connecting to your gut about recently? Getting another dog. Okay. Beautiful. So like, you know, again, like I said, you've got this very active mind in your design. So I'm sure it's really easy to be like, okay, these are all the reasons I should. These are all the reasons I shouldn't. But if I was to ask you right now, like, do you want another dog? Yes. and does the timing feel right to get one right now? No.

Like, it's that simple. Do you know what I mean? But then I'm like, well, then I'm confused because I want one, but like the timing doesn't feel right, but... But the timing's as important as the thing. Okay. So for you, like it sounds like it's really clear that like, yeah, you absolutely want another dog. And that's for sure coming for you in the future. Yeah.

But it's just not right now. It's not now to get one. Okay. And so those specific questions basically, like so often I'm sitting with somebody in session, they'll kind of talk about a thing for like 20 minutes. And I'm like, do you want to do it? I'm like, no. I'm like, okay. Well, it was actually way simpler than we thought. But for you, those specific questions are so useful. I guess that's nice to like think for my friends to just

ask me yes or no questions. Sometimes even that's good information for me to know when I'm having a conversation with a friend. Yeah. That's a good tool to just help them. Yes. Yeah. And they can also pay attention to your body language. Like when I'm talking to somebody and say yes, like they will lean in. Like you could feel the conviction. And when it's a no, you're kind of like watching them lean back and like get in their head. I just talked about this. I did a three-day therapy retreat. And I told this therapist, I said, you know, I did an intensive in a relationship a while back. I said, I just did an eight-hour day of an intensive. And I said, it was fascinating to me because when he was being so real and authentic and like showing really who I was like leaning in. And then when he was just talking about his accomplishments and money and like certain things that I'm like, oh, he's trying to prove himself. I was like physically. I was like this. Like, I really respond with my body.

It's so physical for you. And it's not for everybody. So I'd also just remind you of that when it comes to relationships. Like, you just have that visceral immediate knowing. Yeah. And like, it just speaks to, like, what do you have the energy for? Who do you have the energy for? Yeah.

And a lot of us don't have that. It comes in different ways. Yeah. I like that. That makes me feel less guilty about saying no, because, you know, so many things come up for me or opportunities. And sometimes I feel like I have. do not grand old opera i went to the grand old opera 100th anniversary and that was like an immediate yes for me i was like honored to even be a part of it but before that it was this people's choice

awards or something and i just was like am i going because i need the photo on the red carpet or am i going because i'm going to have fun with my friend and this is a cool experience like i really overthink everything and is that okay well what do we do about the overthinkers out there like me well what i would say is like without getting too technical about your chart you kind of your chart has these like two separate parts of you that are operating you've got like a really powerful strong gut responses like sense of direction and then totally separate from that you've got like this really active really creative really powerful mind and i think the work for you is to know the role of each the role of the gut is to guide you in the right direction to help you make those decisions do i go to

this place do i date this person do i like pursue this opportunity that's not the role of your mind You know, the role of your mind is to like, you know, ask good questions, like offer like creative insights to other people, inspire other people. So when you're using your mind to kind of talk yourself in or out, that's not really meant to be the role of your mind. So when people figure out what type they are, that's really when they can dig in. They can learn about what path they would feel the best for them, what relationship would feel best. Have you ever seen someone do a complete 180 after learning their human design? It's so often. Where they're like, I'm in the wrong relationship, wrong job, and then they find their way because of their human

design. Absolutely. Really. Because it's going to help you know, like, this thing is not right from here it is. Yeah. And then it's also going to give you tools like, oh, I'm going to let things come to me. For me, it's about being invited into things. I'm going to wait for like the right invitation. Like it's then let you know, like, how do you actually create space for the next thing to come along? Right. So yes. How did you get, did something happen in your life that was like really pivotal and you, when you started learning about the human design? Yeah. So, well, it's also crazy how it came to me. So my design is, as a projector, it's about being

invited into things. I'm here to have somebody to be like, hey, you, I think you should do this. It's like so specific and so directed at me. And I was 25 in New York City and went to a friend's house and met this stranger who read my human design chart. And like, he gave me this like reading that was just like so revelatory and like so

permission giving. And I was like, oh my God, like I'm going to be me. This is amazing. And he ended the conversation by saying, Aaron, I think you're meant to do this. And like invited me. Yeah, he was like, you know, what was it, 25 years my senior and was like, I think you need to like, this is what you're meant to do. And I'm like, this is intense and yet it feels right. And so he really invited me into study human design and to build a business with him. So that's how it all started

for me. And so every moment in my life and even like my husband was like, he was my best friend for five years. Like he was no one made me feel more seen than him. And like again, it was just like him being like you. And so like my whole life has been that. And I think human design has given me permission to just like own that. Yeah. And just like not force it to like happen any other way. have you and your husband been together? We've been together since 2017. And we've known each other since 2013. Wow. Yeah. Oh, crazy. So he, how does he feel about, like, is he into the human design too? Or is he like, here we go. When you say something, you're like, you're being a projector. No, he like, I mean, he's like a healthy skeptic in all the ways. It's, but I really appreciate that

because I think he's really helped me make it more accessible in the way that I talk about it. Because when I talk to people, I don't assume they're going to like believe that we can know this much. And so, will say that like even without him actively trying to like live his design in every moment like he embodies his design so perfectly that I think it's really helped me know how to interact with him like he's very similar to you he's kind of gut feeling in the moment I can't tell you how often I've like had moments where I want him to say yes to a thing yeah and it's just like so clearly a know in his gut and it's just like the real lesson for me of being like I've got to wait till it's a yes and the specific questions like even if I ask him like what he wants to eat for dinner he's just like

blank stare, you know, but I'm like, here or here, this or this. He's like, absolutely that. And so, like, it's just transformed our relationship because we're so different. And we have two young girls that are also, like, so different. So, like, I just love not that I'm not expecting anyone to be like me. Yeah. I feel like it would really nurture relationships to be able to understand each other better. I mean, look at the five love languages. That's the most basic thing now. With all the information now and things that we're learning now, the five love language is kind of like an LOL, but it does help you understand the person better. Now you take it to a whole deeper level of the human design and what time they were born and why they are the way they are

and understanding them and giving them permission to be who they are and loving them for those things. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole other level of respect even. It is. And like, you know, I tell a lot of these stories in my book, too, of just like relationships where like people were experiencing a lot of friction. And it wasn't that like anything was wrong. They just didn't understand each other. They were like, I'm so mad that you're like not deciding immediately, but like they're meant to like sleep on decisions. Yeah. You know, I'm so like annoyed that you're not pursuing this thing when like they're meant to wait for an invitation. So like it's just so helpful to be like, how are you designed to operate and how can I support you in that? And how can

I like have you support me in my unique way of doing things? Right. What are some like small, I'm all about baby steps when learning something new. I feel like this, again, I said it earlier, can be very overwhelming to people. Astrology can be overwhelming. But I always like to take little babysets or learn something new here and there. How can someone start practicing and listening to their authority in small everyday decisions? Yeah. Well, so I talked about your authority, which is kind of trusting your gut at the moment. Just so people have context around the different authorities, like some people like me are meant to sleep on things and feel into things. Some people are meant to give themselves a full month before they make a big decision, which to you

might seem crazy. It seems a little bit wild to me too. Some people are meant to kind of talk things out to find their truth and kind of see how it feels to speak things aloud. And so I would say, like look up your authority, figure out what that is, and like start with the small decisions. Like for you, if you're like, okay, I don't know if I want to trust my gut with like deciding whether or not to like pursue this relationship. It's like, where will I eat dinner tonight? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, should I like spend my Saturday doing this? Yeah. So like I would start in the small ways as a way to kind of just build trust and see if it actually does feel good.

So you find your type and then you find out your authority and then you go. from there. Yeah, and then you just keep going. And then you just keep going. So yeah, and just to kind of pull back so you guys understand the type kind of speaks to how you best use your energy. So you as a generator, kind of this powerful energy to build, create, make things happen. Strategy speaks to how you best create opportunities. For you, it's letting things come to you. For me, it's waiting for an invitation. And then authority speaks to how we best make decisions. Okay. Oh, that was helpful. Yeah. So for you, it's like trusting your gut in the moment. For me, it's like sleeping on decisions, giving myself a day two or three and seeing what remains true. Yeah, because anytime I've ever tried to

sleep on something. I'm like, well, I knew this already. Like, I'm like, why didn't I trust my gut? But why do I do this? Why will I, my gut will be like punching me, screaming at me and I'll ignore it. Why do I do that? I mean, because you can think of all the reasons why you should like, where it might lead you or like what else might happen and like what I would say to you. And for those listening, if you look up your authority and it's sacral, this is the one we're talking about. So your authority is called sacral in human design. Just to kind of give people the language. Your gut. never comes with a reason. If you're ever sitting there, I mean, like, I think that I should do this because that's not your gut. Your gut is like, feels right. Doesn't. Don't know why. Interesting.

So like when I sit with people, it's so evident when they're speaking from their gut versus when they're speaking from like, I think that maybe this thing will lead to this thing. So like, I think that it's hard to trust for that reason. Like, you're meant to make moment by moment decisions and have no idea where they're going to take you. And so if you value control, if you value you certainty, you value a 10-year plan, it's not really built for that. I hate a 10-year plan. Well, you're not meant to have one. Okay, good, because I don't want one.

Yeah. Oh, that's so interesting. Okay, so, like, are there people, like, you know how you can go to a therapist, you can go to an astrologist, can people find somebody that does human design to go talk to? Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So, and that's helpful.

Yeah. You know, like, I kind of do these written guides so people can, like, have the book all about them. But I think that it's really helpful to talk through, like, this is where I, I am in my life. This is what's going on. How can I use my design to kind of help me find more flow in this part of my life? Do you take clients? I do. Cool. Yeah. Okay. And then your Instagram tell people where to find you there. Aaron Claire Jones and Human Design Blueprint. Okay. So people could actually book sessions with you and learn. Yes. Okay. That's helpful to know too. The downside of not following your design. Well, here's what I'd say. Like, if something's working for you, I'm never

going to tell you not to do it. If you're like, I love initiating. It's amazing. And like, you're not meant to. Like, great, go do it. I think the downside is often, it's really exhausting. Yeah, I could imagine it'd be frustrating. Yeah. Draining. It's just like things just like take a lot harder, like a lot longer to make happen. It's harder to do. It feels worse. Yeah. And you often can end up like in situations that like aren't really great for you. Right. You know, like so. I talk about all the time on this podcast about how when you align yourself with things that make you happy, you just watch how everything falls into place. And it's scary and it's easier said than done, you know, to quit a job or to go move to Japan. You know, like, it's so scary. But like,

if that's truly what you want to do and it, like you say, lights you up, like everything else falls into place. It does. And it's, I just think that's such a cool concept. But energetically, when we're out of alignment. We feel that, right? We know. And there are actually, we do know that. And there are also signals for every type that reveal when you're out of alignment. So I want to share yours with you and you can see if it resonates.

So for you when you're in alignment, it shows up as just like deep satisfaction. Yes. It's like you really drop into bed and you're like, God, I love the way that I spent my energy. Again, I feel like so spent, but like in the best possible way. Yeah. For you when things maybe need a course correction is when you start to feel consistent frustration. Yeah. Like momentary frustration.

totally normal inevitable but like when it's just persistent in a relationship like in a collaboration and whatever it is like that's the moment to step back and be like is there another way to do is this or is this still the right thing for me do you feel that frustration absolutely yeah and i think part of part of my design if i'm just like making shit up on the spot what i feel i'm like why why do i hang on to frustration from a past. Like if somebody's wronged me. Oh gosh, there's so many things I want to say. Should we dive into my...

Should we just... Yes. Because I'm like, I'm like, I'm waiting to get there anyway so we can get into that. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. I think human design is so specific. So again, we'll tell you guys how to get into it, but I think it's helpful to kind of get that context.

So there are two pieces that come up when I hear you say that. One is we all have like really big lessons in our design. Like things that are just like lessons we're here. learn and they're not easy but they're just here things we're here to learn so one of the things that you're here to learn is how to let go like I'm gonna cry okay one of the hardest things is letting go it's really easy to hold on to things because they feel familiar because they feel secure because you know them but not because they're actually still right for you yeah and so I would recommend for you taking inventory often with a friend yeah and ask yourself like am I

holding onto this thing because it still feels like it expands me and energizes me and is right or Or like, is it just because, like, I know it and it's familiar and it's been here for a while. Yeah, because I hold on to good and bad. Totally. Like, I can't. Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah? Do you feel like if somebody was to ask you that question, do you think it would become pretty clear if you were holding on for the right reasons?

Yeah. Like, there's just something sometimes around like the specificity of it where it's just like, oh, I see what I'm doing here. Can I tell you about another part of your chart? Tell me everything. Okay, so there's another part of your chart called Profiles. So we talked about kind of type strategy authority, just kind of very overview. Another piece that I love in human design is called the profile. So you're a six three.

I know these are like weird fraction looking numbers that mean nothing. There are two pieces to it that I want you to know. One is that you're somebody who very much learns through trial and error. Like you are just like not here to have somebody be like, hey, this is how it works. And you're like, got it. I trust you. Like you've got to like bump into things and you've got to like fail at them. And you've got to learn what didn't work and like do it better next time.

And so you're somebody who's just like meant to get your hands dirty. And that can mean that like sometimes things look. messy. Like, things don't work out in all the ways that you thought. Yeah, people like to think I'm messy, which I am. Like, you're meant to be, like, so much wisdom in the mess for you. Like, you learn so much by just doing it. And, like, you're somebody, I know that privacy feels best right now, and that feels really important. And when you give people a peek into your process, it's like the most magnetic thing ever. Because, like, when you just, like, honestly share, like, I screw this up. It didn't work. I'm learning this. Like, people love it. It's, like, the best way to kind of bring people in.

Even in like business decisions that I've made, like I had a hair accessory line. I loved doing it. It truly lit me up. I was obsessed with doing it. It built this community that I was so grateful for. We called them the scrunchy gang. Like it was so fun. And I learned so much about business through that and how I did so many things wrong. But it was so profitable and it was so fun until it wasn't. And I was so okay. sharing that and I remember sharing like yeah it did this and this happened and I was just being transparent about what kind of happened and people were like oh thanks for sharing that that was so I didn't even realize what I was doing yeah I feel like the same thing when I was on The Bachelorette like oh we don't talk about sex but I just had it and I'm talking about it but everyone knows that's what happens in the fantasy suite like I do things out loud yeah very easily even if it's messy or mistakes or if it's good or it's bad I I really am okay with sharing those things. Well, it's so in your design. Wow. You know, and I think, like, I don't know if I said

that's already, but for you, like, there's no such thing as, like, a mistake. It's like everything that doesn't work brings you closer to what does. Okay. And so, like, I think also, going back to the, like, conversation of not letting go or having a hard time, it's really good in those moments to sit back and be like, what did I learn? Like, what are all the things that I learned from this experience that could help me do a better next time. Yeah. And I also just love that you share so openly because, like, your personal stories and experiences are, like, the juice. Like, they're so valuable. And they, like, inspire and empower other people, too. So I would never underestimate, like, how valuable that is to do that.

I'm, like, still having full body chills that my lesson in life is to let things go. That makes so much sense. But also, like, the lessons we're here to learn are the lessons we're here to teach. And so, like, as much as you're here to learn how to let go, you're here to help inspire others. They're going to learn how to let go, too. Yeah. So just know that, like, it's a ripple. And I'm slowly getting there.

Yeah, I believe it. I mean, if you talked to me 10, 15 years ago, yeah, it was way harder. And over time, I am learning. But that is a hard life lesson for me. It is. I feel like it's really powerful to have those things articulated so explicitly. Yeah. Like one of my lessons is just like I just like can try to prove myself or just like overwork.

I'm like, it's just good to know that because like in the moment I'm like, I'm overworking. I'm trying to prove myself. Like it just like kind of brings me back to center in those moments when I'm caught in that. Yeah. Okay. I want to share one of my favorite parts of your design because I have it too. So I'm totally biased. So you've got a six in your profile.

Can you remind me how old you are? I'm 39. Assuming you share that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I imagine. I was like, that's one thing I won't share, actually. I ask because, you know, the six in your profile, so if anyone's listening looks up their design and you see that you're a four, six, or three, six, or six, two, or six, three, this also applies to you.

You're somebody who's really here to be a role model. Like, you inspire others to be themselves by just being yourself so fully, so authentically, so truly. And my favorite part about this part of your chart is that it's meant to keep getting better. Like, you, the first 30 years of your life was meant to be like, trial and air galore. Just like, I'm just going to throw it all. the wall, see what six. Maybe none of it does. Like, I'm just going to try. 30 to 50, the phase you're in right now is a phase of just like pulling back a little bit, getting a lot more perspective, a lot more wisdom, and just a lot more clarity around like, what's worth experimenting on, what's not, and you might find more people are coming to you for your wisdom. You are somebody who's meant

to hit your prime when you turn 50 and beyond. I know. Isn't that exciting? That is exciting because I fear age, but I embrace it, but I'm scared of it. And there's so many things that come up for me with aging, but like also what a privilege to hit your peak at 50? Totally and beyond. What is it? Downhill from there? No, no, no, no. Okay. It's like that's when you're kind of like meant to come out and like, and why that is your peak is you're meant to just become such an embodied role model in that moment where like you inspire others, not because you're like, I'm trying to inspire you, but like just because you're living yourself so fully. And like my guess in the space you're in right now is like you're just meant to become increasingly intolerant

of anything that's not like fully aligned. You're kind of in the space. where it's like, no, no, no, like, unless it's full, full, full, it's not the right thing. Yeah, I feel like that just started happening within the last year. I feel like I see it happen most often in their 40s. Like, I'm 34 and I have this and, like, I still get caught in these things. And I sit with people in their 40s and they're just like, everything is falling apart in the best way because I'm so clear on what I want and what I don't. Yeah, I feel like that's just starting for me in the past year, which makes sense because

I'm coming up on 40. It's amazing. Cool. I know. And so just know that it's meant to keep getting better. And, like, you just are really meant to, like, pull back and have this really, like, amazing perspective. Like, you have this balance in your design of being, like, the messy adventure and, like, the absolute sage. And so, like, you're just meant to be both, and you're going to kind of dance between them both.

I like that. And that feels validating. Yeah. Does it feel true? Yeah. Oh, very. Yeah. Very true.

Yeah. Cool. So another, you want to hear another hard lesson? Yes. Are you feeling overwhelmed? No, not even a little bit. I want more, more, more. Okay.

Oh my God, there's so many things. Another hard lesson for you, I mentioned, it doesn't have to be hard. Another lesson for you is you are such an empath, so sensitive to other people's feelings. This is obviously like an amazing gift to kind of be the emotional barometer of a space to really be so attuned to where someone is and what they're feeling.

It can also be incredibly overwhelming. Yes. So I would say a couple lessons for you are that not everything you feel is your own. Yeah. And not every emotion needs to be fixed. you know so if you feel an emotion like just noticing it without necessarily like trying to resolve it I would say it's really important for you to spend time with people that feel emotionally healthy by that I don't mean happy I just mean like processing their emotions in a way that you're like I'm good to be

around that like I want to be on that journey with you another lesson for you I'm curious if this has shown up for you is that sometimes these people struggle to really confront and have really uncomfortable conversations because they feel so much yes it's like I don't want to like bring this thing up because I don't want to rock the boat and then feel all the things you're feeling like I'm just good. And yet, you know, often not saying something takes up so much more energy than just saying the freaking thing. It's so interesting because that is so me, but at the same time, I'm the opposite in relationships. Like if I'm with somebody, a partner, no problem with confronting. Amazing. Yeah. Friends, personal assistant, business, other people, I, I'm too worried

about how it would make them feel. Trolls on the internet, I'll attack you all day long. I don't give shit about your feelings. Yeah. But like, it's so interesting how it depends on who the person is. Totally. The context is going to be so different. But I think it's really good to hear that in relationships, like, you do that.

Because the wisdom of it, the lesson you're to learn is like, I'm going to just speak my truth and know that that's going to get us to the next place. And like, I would encourage you when you feel inspired to kind of do that in every other place too. I always think about this. Why is it so hard for me in everyday things with other people? people but in real i guess because relationships you start to feel safe with somebody you know they're going to like forgive you or whatever because my my me confronting someone isn't always like negative right

it's not me neg and it's not me doing this it's me just being like that did not feel good yeah i've like learned how to confront in a healthier way in relationships other than you know because usually when people want to confront or they're hurting it'll be something else and you never get to the bottom of what's actually bothering you i've learned to confront in a healthy way but let's say my personal assistant did something or didn't do something, missed something. Like, I would be, it's okay, like, because I wouldn't want her to feel bad. I know. There's like a very sugarcody thing that happens with these people because they are so sensitive and that's it. Like, I'd remember it's because you are going to feel what she's feeling. Yeah. And yet, I still think that like,

if you're going to have her do a better next time and like also make sure that you feel really connected in that relationship, probably speaking up helps her and helps you. Well, yeah, because if I was in her position and I didn't do something or so, I would never want somebody to not tell me what I'm doing or not doing yeah you know and and what I would just think about is the moments when you're like I keep thinking about this thing and I'm not just like addressing it yeah I've got like five in my head right now not just her not not but she's watching it's like for so many things like I'm like I just got to say it yeah yeah okay can I talk about one of your gifts yes okay so you have the gift of there's so many names for it transformation shock competitiveness but like it basically

means that you've got this gift to kind of like shock people out of an old way of doing things into like something entirely new. Like, you've kind of got this shocking presence. And I mean that, like, it's provocative in the best kind of way. It's important for people to be, like, ready to be transformed in that way. But, like, you're just really good to be like, I'm going to do things totally differently. Yeah. And like, I'm going to be very gutsy. And I'm going to be the first here. And like, I don't care. I'm going to do it because that's what I'm here to be the first. Yeah. That's kind of that manifest vibe we were talking about. It also means that in your own life, you might have these shocking experiences that, like, are just big experiences in your life

where you kind of walk up the other side and you're like, I'm a different person. Yeah. You know, and you're meant to have that. Like, you're meant to have these kind of big moments. Have you noticed that kind of, like, provocative nature and you're really provocative, yeah. I mean, I can't believe I've still brought it up like three times, but like being on Bachelorette. Like, I remember when I was younger, I always felt it in me to do things differently. Yeah. It's so always.

So in your design. Yeah. And that showed up even when I was little, when I got older. Like, I was like, no, I'm not getting education. I'm going to do something way crazier that I'd, like, I'm going to go on TV. Like, I knew something like that, and I don't realize I'm doing it. Of course not, yeah. Yeah, like, it's not like a calculated, oh, I'm going to do this different.

It's like I came off the show and I was like, nobody's really built a good brand or business. There was Jillian Harris, who I really looked up to. And she inspired me in so many ways because she came off Bachelor, I really did big things with her career. And I was like, I want to do things differently. I want to, like, I was one of the first to start a podcast. Wow. I was one of the first to do a podcast tour. Now everyone's doing podcast tours, and I love it because I'm like, yes, it's such a cool thing.

And I have had to really kind of take a step back sometimes and think of being more proud of it than being competitive with it. Right. Yeah. Well, there is an inherently competitive nature to you, you know? But it's also like a really, like, good one. Like, you really empower others to want to be better. And like you kind of like, it's really, you know, one thing in your design is like you've got this like tremendous sense of willpower that like most people don't. And it basically means that, like, when you really believe in a thing, when your heart's really in it, like, you're going to make the thing happen.

Yeah. You know, and I would just remind you, I don't know if you've experienced this that, like, most people don't have that sense of willpower. Really? Oh, yeah. So, like, I've just noticed that people that have this. I work with a lot of managers and leaders that have this. They're, like, pretty disappointed in the capacity of other people because they're just like, they just can do it like me. And I would say for you, it's like, they can't and they're not meant to.

Yeah. So how can you, like, have high standards, but not be unrealistic in your expectations of how they can make things happen. I know, because I hate being disappointed. I know. But you, you, I see the potential for that in your design. Yeah. If you're expecting others to have the same capacity. Yeah, I do expect sometimes others to have the same capacity. Do you feel like that generally works out? No. No. It works, doesn't work and it makes me feel disappointed and then I feel bad. I would just say your capacity is pretty extraordinary. So like, and it can be so motivating for others. They can be around you and they're like, I can do anything. Like that's part of your magic. Yeah. And they might just have different, they're going to do it differently than you. So give them space. I do feel like I can do anything. You can. You know, it's so funny.

Both my daughters have this. And I'm just like around them and I'm like, oh my God. Really? Yeah, it's the coolest energy to be around because it's so motivating for other people to be around it. Yeah. Like you really like, when people are around you, they really will leave being like, I can do anything. Like you feel that and you lend that feeling to others. Yeah.

I like, that's part of what I like, even just about having a platform is like one of the greatest things or feelings is when somebody comes. comes up to me and I've inspired them to do something. Like, I'm like, okay, I'm where I'm supposed to be. Like, I love that. You're doing it. Yeah. That's cool. And it is cool looking at your design because so much of your inspiration is like,

is meant to come from you just being yourself. This is all making so much sense. And I am so paranoid about it coming across cocky when I'm like, yes. Well, yeah. But I do feel like it's the greatest joy in life is to live authentically. I think it's like, and obviously you're, you know, I have a podcast. I have to be on once in a while. I have this. I have to be on. But like to actually live a life that's true. And like knowing myself to my core and inspiring other people to like get to know

themselves is like really important to me. Yeah. Well, you're doing it. And like and I think again, the authenticity piece like that's also the thing that's meant to come online so much when 50 and beyond where it's just like you just being yourself like inspires others to just be themselves too. Not be like you. Right. Right. Be there. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's, I mean, I struggle with that all the time with doing Botox or getting a left surgery or whatever I'm doing. I'm like, I'm doing it for me and I don't want other people to think that they have to do it because I do have a platform. I do have a responsibility. I do have this voice and people are following and looking at my, you know, and I want them to know that I'm just doing me. Yeah, totally. I'm not telling

you what to do. No. And like, and everything in your design is very much like, I'm going to do it my own way, you know? You want to hear about another one of your strengths? Uh-huh. I love this one too because I have it too. It's called, it's kind of a weird name. The name is called freak to genius, which is bizarre. Freak to genius. I know. But it basically means that you are somebody that's here to have just like kind of insights and ideas that are kind of like light years ahead of other people. Like you might, things might make sense to you that don't totally make sense to others. And sometimes if you try to communicate those things like with the wrong audience or at the wrong time, that's where kind of like your freak kind of vibe comes in where people

just like don't understand it or goes over their head. But when you really kind of crystallize your insights and simplify them and make them make sense to others, like you're seen as an absolute genius. Wow. Does that make sense at all? That's cool. Yeah. So it's just, again, for you, it's around like just the right audience at the right time and also not assuming the things that seem obvious to you are also obvious to other people. Yeah, I feel like a lot of times, sometimes I think people misunderstand me. Yeah. Especially online. And I don't know how to, that's another thing. I need to, like as Mel Robbins would say, let them. Yeah. Because I'm always like, I strive to be a good human and to, like, do the right thing.

And, like, yes, sometimes I do make mistakes and I can be messy and I do things differently. But I really always feel like that's who I am. And I don't want to be judged or you can judge me, but I don't want to be hated for it. You know, it's interesting because, like, there is such a fear of being misunderstood with this one specifically because, like, you do things so differently and you see things so differently. And so, like, you know, it's inevitable that people are going to have feelings about it. but I would say your design is so much around not replicating what others have done. Yeah. And not being like, oh, they've done it this way.

I'll do it this way. Like, it's just about doing things your own way and being like very self-empowered and entrust of that. Yeah. That's interesting. Doesn't make it any easier though. No, but it's, again, I just keep thinking of the word validate. It's very validating.

Right. And like exciting to know that. Right. Yeah. Right. It's fun. I love it. I also think the magic of human design.

And I think I might have said this earlier. Like, it doesn't tell you anything new. Right. It just gives you a language. You'd be like, oh, that is who I am. And, like, oh, I feel more permission to, like, just let things come to me and trust my gut and be totally weird and know that, like, that's doing. It's that. Yeah, sometimes having a name for something does help because, like, I look back on my childhood.

I definitely had anxiety. I definitely had OCD. I had all these things I can look back on. And I'm like, man, if somebody could have just told me, no, that's normal. Like, people have this. But nobody knew what anxiety really was when I was, you know, seven years old. And I remember being so OCD that my breath in, if it is, it's shorter than my breath out. And I remember working with the breath coach later in life.

And he was like, you breathe in for this count and then out for a longer count. And he goes, because that's how your body works. I'm like, man, if somebody just told me that when I was having panic attacks in my bedroom that my breathing was not right. Like I thought everything was wrong with me. And I over that. But, you know, to just have someone tell you, this is your. DNA. This is how you're made. This is a name for it. Yeah. It's, yeah, there's something comforting about it. There is. And I think we often make ourselves, make ourselves wrong for the things that are

just like really innately us. Yeah. You know, it's like manifesting generators, feeling like they're scattered for doing too much when they're like, read that variety or projectors thinking they're lazy for like taking rest when like they need that rest or generator singing they're selfish for like doing the things that light them up. And like, that's the most generous thing they could do for everybody. So like, it's just, it's so easy to be like, oh, this is a thing that makes me wrong. And then human design is like, no, that's like, that's it for you. That's your thing. Yeah. Do you want me share one more piece about your church? Yes, please. Okay. I think of my listeners as my friends. Well, and they know me, but I always feel like I share so much that it's like, how do they

get to know me more. This is how. Totally. So, and I want to hear all about yours too. Yeah. Okay. So then kind of one other shadowy piece and challenge, you know, just so you can be aware of it. You basically have this kind of dual energy in your design where you're under a lot of pressure. You're basically under a lot of pressure to make every idea happen right now. And to just like rush through things that like don't need to be rushed through. So like there's just this pressure of like, oh, I'm inspired. I'm going to act on it. Or like, oh, I got to get this done tonight.

And like I would say that like as much pressure as you might sometimes feel, like their right action is not meant to come from pressure. So like if you're really in a rush, I would just ask yourself like, is this thing deserving of the urgency I'm putting on it? is it worth the hurry? If you're really inspired by an idea, I would ask yourself, like, is my gut really guiding me towards that idea? Or am I just, like, excited because somebody else was excited and then I was infected by their excitement. And like, it's not really my thing. So I take on that excitement on people too. You do. You're so, like, I would say, you're so sensitive to like other people's inspiration and excitement. So you might be in conversation with somebody and they're excited. They're like, do you want to do this with me? And you're

like, 100%. You know, then you might leave. And you might leave and you're like, oh, I'm not excited by that. Not like they are. Like I was just in their energy. It was really infectious. So like the gift for you is that you are endlessly inspired. The work is to just be really discerning and wise about where you kind of put your energy and know that space from others is often a good tool to kind of confirm that inspiration is genuinely your own. Yeah. Whoa. Like I know what I'm doing tonight. I am studying all of this stuff. I'll send you. Yeah. It's a it's so fun. I mean it's endless. Right. Yeah. That's yeah. I feel like I, especially, you know once you learn a lot about yourself too you're like well now I want to know about the person I'm dating well now I want to know about my mom now I want to know about like how can I understand my family better yeah it's so I mean and you are the one who brought this up but I just want to say it's so true that like understanding the people in your life is is transformative both in like I want to understand my partner but also like I want to understand like my dynamics growing up like understanding that my mom was a manifest or I was like oh my god like or that my sister was this so like it's just so

useful to understand the people in your life. And it often brings so much more compassion and empathy and understanding into your relationships. And also like very precise tools to know how to support the people you love. And who doesn't want to do that? I don't know. I mean, it's like the best thing ever to be like, oh, like you want to be loved in this way. You want questions in this way. Like you need like a lot more alone time than I do. Whatever the thing is. Like human design can feel mystical and it is. But the information is so grounded, practical, just like day to day. Yeah. I love it. But if somebody is feeling misaligned, if somebody is feeling like this is resonating with them and they're like, I'm stuck, I need to figure out where, because you have a book. I do. Tell us about your book. Like, would that be a helpful tool to somebody? Yeah, absolutely. Tell us what it's about. So I think the book is very much kind of like a decision making Oracle. Like obviously that's not what it's called, but it's meant to be a tool that when you're feeling stuck or in resistance, you basically open up to the chapters and you're like, oh, this is why this isn't working and these are tools to move through it. So the way the book is, is structures. It kind of walks you through the most important parts of your design as it relates

to career and relationships. So it's meant to be a tool to be like, how do I understand the people that I love? How can I articulate my needs better in relationships? Like, you know, how can I like level up in my career using my design? So if you want to like live your design and use it to actually move through moments of resistance and challenge, like the book is meant to be that. Oh, cool. Yeah. Also, like, you know how in astrology, everyone's like, oh, Gemini should not date cancers and gentlemen like are there types that work better together or is it all just about understanding the other types or is it like oh a generator should be with a manifester like yeah it's a great question you know i think human design teachers will say different things okay my philosophy is that human design is not meant to tell us who we can date nor is it meant to tell us what job we can or cannot have rather it lets us know how we can like best be the job that we choose best be the person there and also like how we can best be in a relationship like it's just so it's not about like

oh my god I can't date a generator it's like now that I am partnered with the generator and it feels right to me like how can I best support them right you know I am married to somebody like I said who has a design opposite mine in every single way yeah and like I think it's amazing because I don't expect him to be like me right I have a lot of best friends that have designs that are very similar that feels like very harmonious in that dynamic so I would say like it's not meant to limit what you can do it just lets you know how you can do that thing best cool yeah which to me feels way more empowering yeah Yeah, that's the word that I, the two words I keep thinking are validating and empowering. 100%.

Like everything that you've said and it's cool that anyone can look it up and do it and like understand, you know? Yeah, I think like the feedback I receive so often is just like people feel so much permission. Yeah. They learn their design and they're like, oh my God, I can like finally show up as like a mom or a partner or a daughter or as a friend in a way that like actually feels authentic to me. I can actually build a business in a way that works. Right. Like I have so many clients that come to me who took like some business coaching course. and they're like, I tried their thing and it didn't work for me.

And we look at their design and it's like, of course it didn't. Like, that was so not suited for you. Right. So I think it just helps us like do like, how are we, can we shift to life in a way that actually feels authentic to us and also will be successful. And I feel like we, you kind of brush on it. Maybe you were saying your husband was a bit of a skeptic. Yeah.

Some people like when others are skeptics because they're like. I love skeptic. Yeah. Yeah. Like, let me just die to you at least a little for you to understand yourself better. and then you can do your research for yourself and then feel like I'm feeling right now validated.

So you said human design isn't about belief, it's about experimentation. And I would say usefulness. Usefulness. I always say like what matters most of me is not whether human design is true but whether it's useful. Right.

So I would say if somebody wanted to dip their toes, what is the website you said to go to? Human design blueprint.com. And then your book, I feel like would be very helpful. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. And the book is out May what?

13th. May 13th. Okay. And people can get it obviously wherever you get it everywhere. It's called How Do You Choose? And also on our website, we have guides to your design. So if you're just like, I want to like understand all the pieces of my design, you can do that. And the discount code is Vine. Oh, okay. Great. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We'll put it in the show notes too. So what is the website? Human Design Blueprint.com. And then you can get your guide. And also you can go and get free insights about your design too. Right. But if you want to get the, you know, downloadable PDF or basically is like this is like who you are and this is how you make decisions. And that's how you. best process and these are your challenges, all the things we've talked about. If you want kind of a written manual to you, like, people print them out and like put them on their bedside table, you know, because they're just like, yeah, I want to do that. So people can use code Vine. Yeah. Okay, that's amazing. Oh my gosh. Do you think there's like misconceptions that people hesitate to explore? Like, why would people, why would somebody not want to explore their human design?

You know, I work with a lot of companies and I think I expected a lot of skepticism in those scenarios. I haven't experienced that much hesitancy, honestly, overall. Yeah. Because I think when it's presented in a way where it's like, I'm not trying to convince you and like take it or leave it. People are like, what gems can I take? And I've had people, I've worked with a team for a year. And like, it was mostly men. It was mostly older men. And they were just like, this is so weird and so bizarre. But like, three months in they were just like, I don't like that it comes from the stars. But everything you're saying is so resident that like I need to know the charts of everybody in my life. Like I kind of feel like that's the transition people go into where they're like, I don't want to believe it. But it's useful. So I think that like if you feel very set in your ways and you're like, I don't want to change anything. Yeah. then like probably not the right thing for you. If you feel like, oh, like, are there better ways I can be doing things? Like, how could I find more flow? How could I make decisions with more ease? Like an amazing tool, mostly because, like, you can take the pieces I feel useful and let the rest go. I feel like that's a good thought even from, I do that with books. I do that with movies. I do it with shows. I do it with people. I do it with conversations. Like, you take what you want.

And this always came from my dad. He's 35 years sober. And part of what they talk about in AA, I know it's supposed to be anonymous. it's my dad gives me permission to say but he always says like take what you want and leave the rest and i just think that's such a cool thought a life philosophy yeah you know what i mean where it's just like yeah like i don't need to like resonate with it all and i often have people like be like oh i got my blueprint or my guide they'll like read it and then like a year later they're like read a piece and they're like oh my god now this makes sense right so like things will make sense at different moments in your life and like in writing the book my intention was to be like how can this

be a resource you keep coming back to like how can it be a thing when you're like oh i have a new decision. I have like a new challenge. Let me kind of return to this and like understand how I can navigate this better. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Well, thank you for writing that book and thank you for being on the podcast and talking about it because I love this stuff so much and I just always wonder why people wouldn't want to get to know themselves as best as possible. And I get also excited to know that 50 is where I'm really going to. Oh, you're going to thrive. It doesn't mean you're not going to thrive before then. You're just going to like really thrive. Yeah. I'm excited for that. Thank you for making me excited for 50 because that would have scared me an hour ago.

My pleasure. I know. Thank you. And then one more time where people can find you on Instagram as well. On Instagram, Erin Claire Jones and Human Design Blueprint. That's like your brand on Instagram. Like you'll, people will learn a lot even from your Instagram. Absolutely. Yeah, I share so much there. Once you look up your type, you'll see so much for you. Oh, I can't wait.