Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Fancy Hagood | One of Us Texted a Therapist… The Other Texted a Pretty Little Liar!

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

#942. Oh you fancy, huh? Well… yes. He literally is.Today Fancy Hagood is on the pod, and he shares his story — with a lot of humor along the way.He was signed to Scooter Braun and launched under the name “Who Is Fancy”… because they literally hid his identity while pushing his music. We talk about what that was like behind the scenes, being a gay man in the industry, and why fitting into the “right version” of yourself still matters more than it should.And then… we completely spiral.We play a game where you either answer the question — or you have to text someone: “still thinking about that one time…”, with no context.One of us texted a therapist. The other texted a Pretty Little Liar.This episode is chaotic, full of tangents, and a lot of laughs. Enjoy!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these AMAZING deals!Fabletics: Shop now at Fabletics.com/vine to get 70-80 percent off everything when you sign up as a new VIP.Direct Tv:  Go to directv.com/genrepacks and sign up today to get MyEntertaiment for just $34.99 a month.Better Help: When life feels overwhelming, therapy can help. Sign up and get 10% off at BETTERHELP.com/VINESee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're listening to Off The Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Hey, Vinos, real quick, if you are listening right now, which obviously you are or you wouldn't be hearing this, can you hit the subscribe or follow button on whatever platform you're on? Please, that one simple thing helps more than you even realize it allows me to keep growing on this podcast and making these episodes the best they can possibly be obviously for you. That's the only favorite I'm going to ever ask, okay? It truly means the world to me. Thank you.

Now let's get into it. Hey, everybody, welcome Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And today's guest is Fancy Haygood. who I am obsessed with. If that name sounds familiar, it might be because you knew him as who is fancy. We talk all about his music journey and how,

I'm not going to name names, but it rhymes with pooter cron. He had a tough time in that industry because they wanted to fit him into a little box because he was so talented, but back in that day, they didn't like the way he looked. And he is so deserving of all the success that he has.

And he still has a long way to go because he, I just feel like he's going places. He's someone that deserves all the success in the world. He had a massive debut, a full mystery rollout, was signed to Scooter Braun, and stepped away from that entire chapter to come back to Nashville and come back to himself. He's just been a good friend for 10 years. So this sometimes doesn't even feel like a podcast. It felt more of like a hilarious conversation between two friends.

But we just talked about, you know, behind the scenes, we did a fun game of if he didn't want to answer the question, I had to scroll through his contacts. And I may or may not have ended up on Lucy Hale and you'll just have to see what he had to text her. Anyways, it was fun. It was embarrassing for me as well, and I just think you're really going to enjoy this conversation with Fancy. This is my happy place. I love it so much.

I get that. It's so peaceful. I like this room. It's so peaceful. It has peaceful energy here, doesn't it? I mean, there's a Pilate room. There's a Pilate. There's literally, yeah, it's like, and I'm going to make it more like sanctuary-e.

Yeah, you're almost Nicole Kidman. I'm so close. Yeah. You're getting there. I can just picture you, like, walking around. You're like in a robe. You're just kind of like gently touching the counters. I know what you mean.

You're like walking around elegantly. Yeah. At night you're like glass of white wine. And my hair's like quaffed. Yes. Yeah. It's perfectly in place. Perfectly in place.

You're like touching the countertops. Yeah. Like as I walk by just gently graze. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly. And when you snack, I bet it's like not like me. I'm like a fist full of popcorn.

You're like a. No, no. I'm not like that. You're like a one kernel of time. No, I'm like, I'm like, did you ever see that bit that Ellen DeGeneres did where she was like talking about all of a sudden when you're in a movie theater, you're like, invincible. and you're just shoveling popcorn in and like that's me all the time when I'm alone.

I'm actually so gross and that's part of why I love living alone. Yeah. I'm very, I love that. I tried to go with the bit of Nicole Kidman, but I was like, that's so ain't. Yeah. My hair's like little. It's just what your house is giving. Okay.

It's very elegant. That's all I'm trying to say. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But my house is giving that and then I'm giving like a gremlin troll under the bridge. Like I am just like, I love living alone because I can be gross. Well, your house is giving elegance.

And my friend told me the other day that, my house is giving eccentric art teacher slash wine mom. Oh, I kind of love that, though. You would expect that out of my house, I thought. I was like, thank you. I think, whatever. Ecclectic is cool, though. Ecclectic, yeah, that's fine.

I'm a vintage girlie. Oh, I love that. I always want to be one, but I'm not. Yeah, I am one. Like, I love a idea. I have trinkets person. I have trinkets everywhere. You do.

I can list gold rose. That gold rose is so stupid. I love it. You do? Yeah. It's got like a fake diamond in the middle. It's a little. Time next to my like apparently some people think that's like blasphemy that I have Taylor Swift

on a Jesus candle that is making me joke I do feel like she's a star seed oh like from a different planet mm-hmm just bit of an alien in the best way ever you know I'd be watching ancient aliens what is that oh girl what is it it is a show that I found on Hulu I think it's on like the history channel or something but it goes it's about ancient aliens so there's like this theory that like aliens were here like all these like years ago yeah And that they're the reason, like, we have civilization and culture. Oh, really? You know all these things.

So they're not arriving. They've already been. That's the theory. I'd like to watch that. And there's this man with crazy hair who's, like, very passionate about it. And I love it. And I would like to watch that. Also, I just want to know what they look like.

The aliens? Yeah. They all kind of look the same in the depictions. But it's the same as what we think an alien looks like, like the cartoons, like with the big eyes and the weird heads? We got that from somewhere. True. Yeah.

True. I always thought aliens were like AI as an alien. Right. Because robots are going to take over and we're all going to die from AI. Yeah, I think aliens are probably at this point just a consciousness. Did I tell everybody that we have fancy on the podcast today? I could probably intro you. No, I'll do my intro at the end.

I want to continue this. Ancient aliens is my intro. That's how you start every podcast just so we can get into it. I'm like speaking of star seeds. That was a good segue though. I wanted to talk about aliens today. No, I didn't, but I always want to. I guess we should talk about you and not TV shows.

I could talk about TV all day long. Good, too. I don't know what. I'm still, are you into the summer house drama? So here's the thing. The same way I only like strong female leads. Yeah. When it comes to reality TV,

uh-huh. Once straight men are a part of the drama. Yeah, you're out. And the plot, I'm kind of like snoze. Yeah. Until Scandival. Yeah. Until the summer house drama.

Then I'm like, I want to, because I want to know the T. I know. So I tuned in. And I really loved, um, Sierra. I'm obsessed with her. Off of Traders. Oh, she was right. I forgot.

She was on Traders. And I really liked her on that. So to see her going through her going through a this but you know it's just kind of like elevate her exactly which she deserves because people always get so mad like oh she just got that because of this it's like you don't just Whitney levitt didn't just get chicago because of dancing with the stars and people hate it's because she's actually extremely talented and like literally a triple threat yeah she's a hustler you don't just put someone on broadway who had a scandal happen and sucks it like singing are you watching did you are you caught up on the

Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? You brought up Whitney. I am gagged all the way for that show. I've never been more invested in a group of strangers' drama than that show. And speaking of Whitney, the trajectory of her season one to where she's at now and my feelings, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm like, wow, am I rooting for Whitney? I'm rooting for Whitney.

I'm absolutely rooting for Whitney, too. I always was. My favorite, though, is in season, I think it was season three when she came back and she's like, yeah, I'm here because I want to be on dancing with the stars. I loved it. That is the kind of honesty I'm looking for on reality television. We all get so mad at honesty, but yet we crave it so much. Like we're all like, God, people are just so performative and couldn't we just like get someone that's like a breath of fresh air and then we get Whitney?

And everyone's like, let's take her down. Yeah. Isn't that fame? Everyone loves you until you're then they love you all the way to your downfall. And then. Yeah. And then they're like to stay right where I am. I'm never quite famous.

Where would you on a scale of like what's Jesse Draper's ex? that I can't stand. Oh, that Jordan. Jordan. Okay, on a scale of Jordan to Brad Pitt, where do you fall? Well, you see, I don't know that I'm, I mean, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is like a huge show. Like, everyone's talking about it.

So I don't even think I've ascended to that. Okay. But I will say what I do feel good about is like, you know, I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want, and I'm not bothered. But I can also go to dinner with the stars. That's true. That's true. You do go.

You're dancing with the stars. I'm dining with them. Oh, you should make that a show. Oh, hey, write that down. Write that down. Wait, I want to talk about the fact that you said you felt like you were too queer for Nashville, yet you've been here for so many years. And I feel like, do you still feel that way?

Of course I do. Yeah. So when I say that, I say I'm too queer for Nashville, and then I moved to L.A. And I was too Nashville for Los Angeles. Yeah. Yes, because you're country. I'm mildly. I can't be tamed.

Yeah, you are. And I just, and I'm speaking of, like, the music industry. Yes. So, like, when it comes to, like, my community and, like, living in Nashville and the friends, I have here and the community have around me, of course I feel very secure and I love Nashville and I love being here. When I say I'm too queer for Nashville, that's like shots at Music Row. Yeah. Because I feel like Music Row is still a very... I think they're progressive because they like celebrate women. Yeah. And then it's like, do you?

Like, do you really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think it's a little backwards and I, you know, I sit back and watch all these mediocre straight dudes who can like not really. really carry a tune. Name. Names. Just kidding. Throw a rock. You know, you'll hit one.

And it's just kind of like, I have to watch all of that success be celebrated. And then like the music industry just be like, wow, this is talent. And then tell me stuff like, we really need you to find your thing. You know, if you just found your thing, I'm like, I am the fucking thing. You are. Like, I'm the thing. And your homophobia prevents you from understanding why someone like me could be successful. but I still just believe in myself,

and I think that's what would make me an excellent real housewife, Andy, because I... Andy does watch this podcast. Yes, I know. He must. We're going to clip it and tag him. Yeah, I'm like, it's what makes me a great... I would be a great real housewife because the delusion I have for myself

and my success and what I know I'm meant to be and what I'm meant to do, and I think that has evolved into something else. You know, when I came on the scene with music in Nashville, like 2012, 2013, Yeah. I couldn't really point to a lot of queer representation on Music Row, specifically, like, on the artist front. And now I think it's really cool that we can look around and there's a lot of people. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of queer representation in Nashville. Yeah.

But they're just not given the same opportunities. Your voice is also insane, though. Thanks. Your voice is insane. I remember when we went to a party and you went up there on karaoke and I was like, and you were like hammered and just sounded like, like, if I went up there drunk and saying, everyone would be like, oh no, that's embarrassing. You were like, I was like this, the best voice I've ever heard in my life.

Well, I tricked you because I'm a one-trick pony at karaoke. What is the song again? Ego by Beyonce. So it's like if I'm hammered, I'm like, oh, I have this party trick to pull out. Ego, Beyonce is your party trick. Yeah, that or proud Mary Tina Turner. Maybe that, I think that's what, I think you sang both. Both or either one.

That's, I know you talk about delusional confidence and you're just saying it, but in L.A. Did that kind of knock it out of you, the delusional confidence? And tell me why. So what I've learned about the music business. And I say this with a profound love for my team of people who I have around me now because it's been years of having to carve out my own lane and finding people who see my vision. And I feel like I finally sit at a table where I don't have to explain myself. People just are like, we get it, let's do it.

Yeah. And that's so nice because my whole career, and I've been doing this for, ever, ever has been me having to explain myself or me sitting at a table with people telling me what I need to be or how I need to be it. And then when you change everything about yourself to fit what they're saying is going to make you successful and then you're not successful or you're not successful enough for them, they have to find a reason for that to be why that's happening. And it's your fault. And none of them are ever going to take accountability or say, wow, we really missed the mark here. We should have listened to you or we should have gone with what you

wanted or we should have let you be yourself. So then it was like, well, if you could have lost 30 more pounds, like you could have just looked a little different or. They said that. Oh, my God. I was kept a mystery. The whole time my song was climbing the charts because I didn't look like a pop star. Didn't Megan Trainor even say like that's f*** up?

Yeah. Was this when you were with Scooter Ron? Is that the company? The company. Cuderion. Yes. Cudor Yan. Because, I mean, yeah, you had a full hit single that was literally crushing it.

And they made you hide. And it was like, oh, he was a mystery. Yeah. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, it's like everyone trying, everyone trying to figure out how to make me a pop star. It was dark. That is dark. It's dark.

And I think so when I, when I come back to Nashville, to get back to what you were saying earlier about being too queer for Nashville, it's funny when you live in a place that, like, is known for not being the most accepting to my community. And then you go somewhere like L.A. And you think, like, oh, I'm going to be able to be like myself to the max fully. And then all of a sudden you have these people like who accept you and are about you, but then are doing everything in their power to like dilute you. Yeah.

It's a weird feeling. And I felt more, I felt more claustrophobic and closeted out in Los Angeles than I ever did here. And like, you know, I think it can, it would be easy to sound jaded about all of that stuff. Well, who wouldn't be? Well,

but the thing is is it's in my old age now. You know, I was like 24 back then. Yeah. And being 35 and looking back at all that time, it's like, It's really given me an awesome opportunity to get to know myself and who I really am and what I want to be. And if the question back then was who is fancy, everything I do now is fancy.

It's like, this is me. This is who I've always been. It's, I've never not known who I am. I'm just like anyone else. I've always been on a journey of identity. And it's just like when I make music now and I'm an independent artist, I do everything in-house. I don't have some big, giant label, like pushing my stuff. and I find more joy getting to put myself into my music and put it out there.

And it's an opportunity to find the people that want to hear that and that want to be a part of it because that audience is there. Yeah. And I'm just on a mission to find it. And it's just kind of like I get frustrated with the industry, but I'm not jaded because if I was super jaded, I would not be doing this anymore. And it's a tough biz. It's pretty crazy. But your girl keeps winning. Your girl keeps finding those wins.

Yeah. And as long as the wins and the Godwinks keep happening. then I'm just going to keep on, keep on keeping on. Yeah, I love that because, you know, you have to go through trial and error with so many things of like what works for me, what works for them, why am I doing it for them and does that make me feel good? Like, we all go through that with our own industries in every different way. When you're trying to figure out like who you are and somebody else is telling, you said you were 24

and somebody else is trying to tell you who to be and that that's what's going to make you successful must be so confusing, especially when you are, you know, you're the magic and you're like, why are you telling me to be something else? Well, I think it's a tale as oldest time in the music industry, people signing someone because of the raw talent and then trying to change everything about it to make it make sense to an audience that isn't there yet. They're just guessing what this audience would be. And the thing about it is I was in and out of that, all of that in like a year and a half

and people don't realize like it was so big, so fast. Yeah. And then, but it was like a house of cards because like the second. Yeah, something. The second, yeah, it was just all over. And I was back in Nashville and I'm so grateful for that. Yeah. But yeah, also back in that time, I don't know if you remember this.

Well, I remember. You and I were introduced via text when you were the Bachelorette. Yes, which is 10 years ago, maybe 11. Yeah. When I was kept a secret, all I did was I was either at the gym, at my manager's office. Oh, because we're trying to lose weight for them. Yeah. Or at home watching reality television.

That's when you were the Bachelorette. And I was obsessed. I'd never really watched The Bachelorette before. and I just became so enthralled with it. And I was talking about it. Shout out to Penny. Yeah. Penny.

Yeah. And Penny was a project. And Penny was like, that's one of my best friends. Yeah. And I was like, you're fucking kidding me. Like it really. I like lived with her in Vancouver like when I was 19. Yeah.

Yeah. And Penny's amazing. Yeah. She literally put us on a text thread. So I was literally texting with you like in real time as I'm watching that. And I felt I felt so cool. Truly. I was like, this is insane.

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New customers only service renews monthly and less canceled. Credit card required conditions apply to apps. HBO Max Basic with Ads begins after Direct TV five-day trial. Learn more at directTV.com restrictions apply. I'm pretty sure everyone looks at me and is like, that guy does drugs. and I do. So it's like, I'm not quite a cocaine cowboy these days.

I've hung up that hat. Because ever since my diet pill addiction, uppers are kind of, it's a dangerous zone for me. I've become a little demonic. What diet pills are you taking? Well, before I left L.A., I was introduced to fentramine,

fetramine, something like that. It's basically just legal speed. You're like, don't know how to say it, but I'll take it. Yeah, I'm like, it starts with the pee. Give it to me. And I'm like, popping one in the most. morning, one the afternoon. I would eat like a piece of boiled chicken and an avocado every three

days. Yeah, I got to a weird place with it. Yeah, but did you feel not good here? I was detached from reality. But that being said, I did get to tell some people what's what in that state where I'm like, probably, probably outside of that state, I never would have gone there or been that confrontational or like, or insane. And it was a little liberating, I will say. And every now and again, I'm like, Should I drink five ice coffees just to feel that rush? Go tell someone. Just go tell someone what I think. Wait, what happened when you told people to f*** around to find out?

What happened? Well, there was a couple Christmas parties I was escorted out of. Yeah. Okay. But did it result in anything positive? Yeah, those people no longer with me. Yeah. And you know what?

May they never fuck with me ever again. In Lord's name. Amen. Wow. Yeah. That's great. I'm so scared. to speak my mind lately, which I think is so fascinating because so many people would say that I am like,

oh, you're so outspoken. And I'm like, I feel like a little bitch lately. Do you feel like with like, because you have. I'm scared of the internet. Well, yeah, that's what I'm going to say is because I've seen recently like you online like being like, whoa, this is not what I meant and this is what I's. And I'm like, you probably feel scrutinized. I do. And I'm starting to lean. So you know what's so funny is now all my anger and rage and like clapbackness comes out of my dreams. I'm such a co-in in my dreams and it's so fun and I always wake up and I'm like

I want to be her again because I do think that's like part of my DNA because I'm like I'm very sweet I'm very spicy and I'm like I am I do like to speak my mind and be outspoken and I feel like I've lost that a bit

and she comes out in my dreams and I'm like I like her I should not be afraid of not you guys because the people at home are like no I was pointed to the camera yeah Amber and Evan I'm like Amber and Devon

you don't be afraid of them I'm not afraid of They're cool girls. Yeah. I only roll with cool girlies. I can't tell if I'm just like in a place in my life where I'm like, usually I would tell that person to shut up. But right now I'm in a place where I'm like, what happened in their childhood?

Let's work on that. Well, I think there's something there because I started therapy in like 2021. Yeah. And it changed me that way too because I used to be like ready. Yeah. I was on ready. Like you said something to me. I'm going to say something to you.

Yeah. And that's how it was going to go. Where now I'm kind of like, my therapist taught me this thing to like count if I feel reactive to start counting. Okay. And then it's like after like when I can, if I can get to like five, I'm kind of like. Oh, I was like I need to get to like 90 like one two. Five's not enough for me. Well, it's it's, you know, it's a practice.

You get there. But I like I'm kind of like now when something happens, I like I can kind of sit back in it and be like, where's this coming from? Right. What's triggering this person? Right. I've kind of become more empathetic about where other people. people are coming from. And I, you know, I wish I would have had that back in the day. Back in like when I was in L.A. and going through all of that, I wish I could have had a little bit

more. Because it wouldn't have put so much pressure on you because at the end of the day, like, if we know who we are and we can recognize in other people that where this is coming from is because they were trained in this industry to think a certain way and this is what works. And they got so brainwashed into believing. And then they get power from that. And then they're billionaires because of it. It's just like, you do have a little more of an empathetic side to people who probably don't deserve it. Does anyone deserve anything? Yes.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of just like. I wanted to say no, but I said yes. It's just like a weird world. It's like we deserve everything and we deserve nothing. I don't know. It's like it's just kind of like I used to think people were like evil and hateful and like

thinking back to that period of my life. I'm like, but now I'm like I do think about like what have these people gone through to make them this way. Well, and all these people online like I know it's so fun to do the Alex versus Alex drama of like Alex Koo. calling out Alex Earl and like, what's the tea? And she's like, just say it. And I'm like, is this a PR stunt?

Like, are you guys working on something together? Like, you don't even know what's happening in this world anymore. Exactly. And that's why I wanted to say thank you while I'm here. Because, you know, I saw that video and I commented being like, maybe we could have some internet beef, Caitlin. Should we f-shed up on this podcast? Yeah.

I really need the, I really need the uptick and views. Yeah. If you don't mind, just like, calling me out for something. Okay, I'll think on that. But that was like Alex Cooper did an episode with Spencer Pratt a long time ago, where they just showed how gullible and silly the internet is to get clicks and downloads. And he walked off set and they pretended it was a big blob and they made it a clip. And everyone clicked on it because everyone loves drama.

We see it in reality TV. We see it online. So now people use it to get clicks. The internet is so confusing now because I was thinking way too much about the Alex versus Alex thing. And if it's not PR, I'm like, it's so interesting to me how Alex Cooper to me is like, she's so smart. She's such a businesswoman. She almost reminds me of like a finance bro where they just need the title.

They want to work to the top. It's a doggy dog world. You got to get here and whatever it takes. And Alex Earle is successful for just being herself. And she's unapologetic and she's messy, but she's so real where Alex Cooper is like manufactured messy, where it's like the unwell is her brand. But really it's so smart. And I'm like, what is the world looking for?

Because I am more gravitating towards not anything wrong with Alex. I think she's brilliant. But I'm like, I'm really refreshed by Alex Earl and like I don't think she's like she got a Netflix show just from like, you know, she's just real. And like people now see, oh, real works. I'm so lost online right now. And I feel like I have been for two years of like, what do I want? How do I want to show up? What is real? What is not? How do I get here? Yeah, but that's really that's like I've been lost online. I just went on a very long rant. I loved it. I'm like here for it. I think that has to come from you, right? I don't want success. from the got to get here, to get here, to get here. My brain naturally works like that because I'm a competitive foot. Well,

and that's what the world tells you is how you do it. But I'm like, what if? And hear me out. We just be ourselves and like show up how we want to. And like even this podcast, I'm like,

I don't want to be like people called Alex Cooper, the ambulance chaser where I pray on like, did I want to get Sierra on the podcast? As soon as that, did I reach out to her? And then I deleted my message because I was like, I can't do it. I can't be the girl that prays on somebody's downfall and is hurting right now because

that would get me a lot of downloads. Plus, who do I think I am? She's not going to come up my podcast to share her story. She's smarter than that. She can do it on her own platform. But like, you know, I'm like, it's such a confusing world that we live in when it comes to social media. Well, let me tell you something about you that I don't know you super well.

Yeah. We've known each other a minute. 10 years. The first time, yeah. Well, we were texting. And then when you moved to Nashville is when we first like physically met and I was gag then too. But I have to say, when I hung out with you at your house the first time, you were talking about what you wanted to do. And at the time you were like, I want to be on dance with

the stars. There's like all these hurdles that are preventing me from doing it. And, you know, that was kind of where you were at. I'm literally sitting in a room with you and there's a mirror ball trophy behind you. It literally says to me that you can do anything you want to do. However you want to do it in your own way. And you're going to be just fine. And you're going to be just fine. Like, and it's a reminder to me to continue to be myself and to continue to want what I want and do what I want to do how I want to do it because it happens. Beautiful. You're welcome.

Goose bumps. Gooseys. Because you're right. And that was such a journey. And everyone knows the journey of my story with Dancing with the Stars of somebody telling me no. And I was like, I could have just sucked up to that man in power so bad and been like, instead I just called him out and could have got sued $5 million and was like, no, I will not be treated. this way. Right. And then that worked. And I'm like, I stood up for myself and it worked. Yeah. And I didn't

mold into like this girl next door that he always wanted me to be. And even though my relationship didn't work out, it was a successful season and I feel successful from it. And like, yeah, it's just, it's so hard to find authenticity these days, even within yourself when you're constantly in a fight or flight mode on social media. Well, we both work in a industry that does not call for authenticity. Yeah. So it's hard. But the way authenticity wins, so you kind of have to think about it all the time while it's like, you know, for me, like my team's always like content, content, content. Well, I'll say something funny and, you know, no one has a phone in my face. And then all of a sudden it's like, say that again. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I can't say it again and be funny because then it

feels now it's like I find ways to like do things for content that feels authentic to me. It feels fun to me. it feels like, okay, yeah, I'm going to cover the Spice Girls and make it bluegrass sounding. That was sick. Thank you. I wish you brought a little guitar and could just do a little bluegrass. I know there's one right there, but I think it's pretty shitty. No, it's okay. The Spice Girls reposted that.

They did not. Yes, they did. Gagged. My EP's called Baby Jake, and I called it that because, like, that's the Spice Girls were like my first fandom, like the first thing I ever remember being obsessed with. I'm not saying. And then reposting that. So Spice Girls reposting my video is my Mirabal Trophy.

Absolutely. A win is a win. That is a big win. We just got to stay true to ourselves and then fit ourselves into this industry and not the other way around. This I swim. One, two, one, two, three. The care bears reposted one of my stories once. And I was like, my God. I was a care bear for Halloween one year.

You were? The green one, weren't you? Yeah. By the end of the night, I kind of, it was purple, but I was purple. but I was purple. You went with it? But I just wasn't sure. Yeah.

I'm like, Caitlin's psychic. I was like, oh my God, I am a witch. Yeah. No, by the end of the night, I was the I don't care bear. So that is how that went. Wait, I want to be that and I don't care bear? Yeah. Can I copy that?

Yeah. We can go that for Halloween this year. Can we? I don't care bears. Okay, can you come to New York? Because I want to do it there. Oh, yes. I need a redo in New York for Halloween.

They have the sickest parade down. and Chelsea on like in the, no, in the West Village. They do a Halloween parade. That'd be fun. Oh my gosh. Can we be the I don't care bears? I'm in. I don't care bear.

I love it. Oh. We're like, have a boombox. Yeah. And you'll do the bluegrass? Yes. I see a vision? I have the vision.

I love it. And we'll film it and that will be our content. I'm into it. Okay. Well, are you into this game? Let's go. It's called Plead the Fifth. Okay.

Wait, no, not yet. I have to touch on this. Your name's Jake. Truly. And what's even more shocking about it is people are like, your real name's Jake. But if I really get into that, my real name is not even Jake. No, stop. What is your real name?

Well, my, you want my full government name? Yeah. People are going to steal my identity. And your social security number. So I'm named after both my grandpa. Yeah. So I'm my, my, it's Robert Jacob. And then I went by Jake.

So not a Robert Jacob. I know. And someone told me yesterday. I just told this story to someone yesterday. And they were like, I can see you being called Robert. And I was like, oh. That's actually the rudest thing. I'm said to me.

Yeah, you are not a Robert. No. My stepdad is a Robert. And you know, it was like a curse in school growing up because you would have a substitute teacher and they'd be like doing roll call and they're like, Robert. And I'm like present. And then everyone's like, Robert, Robbie, Rob, Bob. I'm like, oh my God.

grow up. It is just like, I've gone by Jake up until school is so traumatizing. It was horrible. Look at me now, bitches. Where are you all? No, seriously, somebody called. I was, it was me against all the girls in grade six.

It was just me and I was like, what do I do? And I was like, why is nobody on my side? And I didn't remember when I, I think I've even told the story before I ran home and they all were chanting your butts as big as a garbage cat. And I'm like, haunted me. What a weird?

thing to chant. It doesn't even make sense. No, your puffs as big as a... I was, now I'd be like, oh. Yeah, now you're like, thank you. Yeah, that's my dump truck. Yeah, but at the time I was like literally on like protein shakes from a doctor to

try and gain weight because everyone would make fun of me for being skinny. And then I was like, well, my butt big. And then I went home crying to my mom and she was mortified that they would say anything about my body because she also has the dysmorphia. And she was like, yeah. And she was like, you're stopping the shakes. You're stopping the shakes. You're just getting.

I'm just kidding. But oh my God, Bob. That really tickled me. Sorry. You were on shakes. I was on casseroles. It's like two very different stories with similar outcomes. It's wild.

That's so funny. But I like can't imagine like Jake just slinging shitty t-shirts at Forever 21. Oh, yeah. No, well, actually, Forever 21's where I became fancy. Like that's where I got my name Fancy. Okay, so someone just started calling you Fancy? So when I came out of the closet, Which was what age?

I think I was like 19. Okay. So I, I joke that like some people come out of the closet. I like burst out of the door, like riding a unicorn. You're like the Kool-Aid man. Yeah, exactly. Hey, oh. Except I was like the Kool-Aid man, but like boy George.

It was like I had like blonde hair, like platinum blonde hair. I wore full face makeup. My nails were always done. And so a coworker at Forever 21 would call me fancy. They're like the calls coming from Inside Forever 21. Yeah. Hair's done, nails done. Everything's did.

The Drake song. Oh, you fancy, huh? Uh-huh. So that's where Fancy came from. And it was the first time where people were like kind of poking fun at me. But it was like in a loving way. And I felt empowered. Yeah.

Oh. And it was I started going by Fancy at the store. And there was such a high turnover of employees at Forever 21. So once I went by that for like three weeks, all of a sudden just everyone there knew me as fancy. And I started incorporating that into my live performance and all of that. kind of really just kind of caught. And it was like my Sasha Fierce. It's like the first thing that kind of made me feel empowered to be whatever I wanted to be, however I wanted to be it. And, you know, I don't have the platinum blonde hair and the full face makeup and the nails

anymore. But fancy still offers me this like freedom to be myself and to be whoever and whatever I want to be. I love that. Whatever that is, whenever that is. I'm so glad we touched on that because that's really cool. So funny. I love that story. The Kool-Aid man. I want merch like that. Me as the Kool-Aid man. Now it's time for the game. Okay, let's play the game.

Okay, I'm going to give you prompts. You either have to answer them or you can pass. It's your choice, but it's not that simple, okay? Okay. If you pass, I get to grab your phone, scroll, stop on a random contact, and you have to text them still thinking about that one time. Oh my God, gag. Okay, let's play.

And you have to send it. Like, I have to watch you send it immediately. And if they respond while recording, we get to read it on air. Okay. Oh, gag. Okay. This is why people delete contacts. I have some weird contacts in my phone.

Me too. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Somebody in the industry that you've met and thought, oh, you're worse than what I expected. Oh. And you can't find a loophole.

This is actually kind of easy for me because I've worked with the worst of the worst. Great. In Hollywood. We've already talked about Cooter Yon. Yeah. Dr. Luke. It's Dr. Luke? A big producer.

Like did all the early Katie Perry stuff. Okay. I thought he was pretty horrible. Really? Yeah. Just dark vibes. Ooh. Yeah.

I think you're just a lot of those people in Hollywood with dark vibes. Do you believe in like the dark Hollywood secrets? I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. You saw it in my eyes. You saw my eyes go black.

Yeah, he does. Yeah. The thing is, is my, you know, Facebook's become such a weird place. Yeah. And my Facebook has turned into this, like, weird, like, thing about conspiracies and, like, all this stuff. And I do watch it. That's my TikTok. I don't know that I, like, subscribe, but it's, like, all these things.

They're very convincing. Yeah. And it's, like, all this stuff about, like, Hollywood and all this stuff. And I start thinking about it. And I'm like, that's why I didn't make it in 2015 because I was too pure. Yeah. They were all, like, this kid. They're like, he is not.

cut out for the for the for this life you think if yeah that's why there's like some sadness behind Justin Bieber's eyes because exactly he sold his you think do you think that Selena Gomez died in a car crash and that Justin Bieber and her had a choice to sacrifice their baby to the Kardashians or have you heard this whole thing yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna answer your question with another question go on do you think Katie Perry is Jean-Beney Ramsey I'm gonna do that research tonight Because I forgot about that theory and I'm going to go down that hole. I want to know what Katie Perry thinks of that.

Yeah. Because she's probably like, you guys don't take away my childhood. Right. Exactly. But there's like, don't tell me that rain doesn't look like Justin Bieber, Courtney Kardashian's kid, who all of a sudden she just had and her and Justin were dating. And now Selena Gomez looks a lot like Gina Davis. Gina Davis.

That's the theory. That was left field. It's the theory. I don't know. See, my problem is I just like don't absorb a lot of information correctly. I just like hear what I want and then I try and deliver it and I go, I'm not making any sense. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Now, I think a lot of us don't really realize how much our relationship with money is shaped before we're even adults. Like the way you saw your parents talk about money, stress about money, avoid talking about it.

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Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com slash vine. That's better h-eelp.com slash fine. I don't think we're not going back to this game. Okay. Worst interview you've had on your radio show. Oh. I love the deep breaths going on over there. I wish we had cameras on your faces over there.

Like Worst interview So my contacts Oh gosh, I'm so scared You can't look You can't look Yeah you have to Do do do do do

Macbecker Oh perfect Great Is that the guy you're seeing? No You have to say Still thinking about that one time Okay

Oh you're excited I wanted this to be a nightmare for you. The anxiety I had while you were doing that, because I'll tell you a story in a minute that's really freaking funny. And then you can't do context or anything. You just have to say that. I just put, I'm still thinking about that one time. Send?

You did it. Okay. Okay, yeah, okay. I will see if it. And now we wait. Well, there's a really funny story about. Okay, what? So I was in a car with my mom.

Yeah. And her phone's perpetually dead. Okay. And she's like, can I call your dad? dad from your phone. Yeah. Yeah. My dad forever and has always been my top favorite.

Yeah. So I'm like, I hand her my phone. Oh no. And for some reason she is like at my contacts and she's like, dad, well. Oh no. You called a daddy. Did you put daddy in there? My phone is literally, there's so many just like, it's daddy.

Like it's just like, it's like NYC daddy, Nashville daddy, Chris Memphis daddy, daddy, Maddie Daddy, London Daddy. I mean, there is so many. And she's just like, Robert Jacob. Robert Jacob. I was like, I about wrecked the car. I'm like, it was not good. I wish I landed on a dad, one of the daddies.

That's what I was scared about. Because there's a lot of those. That was a good chance I could have landed on a daddy. Truly, truly. Well, there still could be another one. Well, there could be. I know now to go ABCD. The truth is, I'm going to text them.

and say, I'm still thinking about that one time. And I guarantee you they are too. A confident queen. I like that. Yes. I like that. Okay. And then you have one chance to ask me the craziest question you could ever ask me.

And I have to do the same. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. The most toxic trait that you bring into relationships. Oh, I am pretty selfish in the sense that like I have my goals. I know what I'm doing.

Don't get my way. I'm yeah I'm like it's my way or the highway a lot of the time I feel that I'm working on it but I relate to that yeah um okay time that you felt low key slash high key jealous of another artist and who any artist who's getting like attention and airtime and label sign them and who are you the most and I always switch this I'll give you the most real answer okay I'll give you a real answer because he's one of my best friends and so it's impossible to not compare and I think jealousy can be inspiration Exactly. And that's the thing is because I feel like this industry and this is what I'm grateful for what I learned in my 20s because the industry talks to you as if when you're in a marginalized seat that there's only one that can do it. And I feel like if you believe that, then you've already given your seat away. But if you don't believe that, there's as many seats at the table as there needs to be. Yeah. So I really work hard at understanding that like there is nothing but seats at the table for every kind of artist no matter what you have in common. And their proof is in the pudding as in like with straight people like for like I mean there's like a Brandon Ray, a Brandon Day, a Luke Combs, a Luke Bryan. There's a Zach Brian. There's a, you know, there's. Like Brown. There's a exact. You're proof of my point. There's a lot and they're all individual and say I'm not talking shit on y'all. Y'all's names are just. very similar. Yeah. But you know, like when when like someone, when an industry person's talking to me, they're like, hmm, we really got to figure out what makes you stand apart. You're like, really? And I'm like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. What do I have to do? Like, ride in on a horse, juggling bowling pins and like swallowing a sword that's on fire. Like, what more could I do?

If you could, that would be cool, though. It would be pretty impressive, wouldn't it? But so for me, my friend T.J, because he's come, he came out of the closet in 2021 and it was like this big moment of like, and of course I'm happy for him. Yeah, does. That everyone's like praising that and excited for him. And like everyone's way suddenly waving their pride flag. Yeah. And I'm over here like I feel like I have been blatantly punished.

Walking so those people can run. Well, I just feel like, you know, as someone who's just always been out in my journey, it's like seen as an obstacle. And so what that tells me is that the industry would have preferred for me to hide myself until a certain point and a certain point. point of success and then say, this is who I am. Yeah. So everyone can, that's like an easier pill to swallow maybe.

And I'm not, his journey was hard too. And I had a front row seat to that. So it's not even like, I'm jealous of him. I was jealous of the industry reaction to him proclaiming his true identity and saying who he was and everyone being like, bravo. Yes, that's fair. And it's, you know, and I'm sure. That's honest.

Yeah, that's like, so like, sometimes it's impossible for me not to, in my lower self, compare myself to TJ. So that's probably the most honest answer I could give you. I love that. No, I think that's very honest and I think that's valid. Okay, the most industry fake interaction you've had recently. Well, here's the thing. I do want to answer this question honestly, but the truth is, as of recent, I feel like I've really carved out my life and my career that I'm not really around all of that. I think there's people who are just inherently fake. Yeah, of course. Like you're just kind of around them and you're like, you smell it from my life. I feel uncomfortable because you're not being yourself.

Is that a song? So I just wrote it. I love it. Yeah. It's like, you know, so it's like I just, yeah,

I don't really have like a good answer for you. Give it a phone. Give it a context. You're looking. You can't look. No, I'm not to look. And one and a two and a ching chong potato.

Not Lucy Hill. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I am praying to. God, that she has a new number from the time that we would have had each other's number. If it goes green, I'm going to go so sad. I'm still thinking about that one time. Dot, dot, dot. Lucy, I love you.

And this is, oh, my God. I feel like she's got a good sense of humor. I think so, too. When we knew each other, it was like in my early 20s. My fear would be like that you had like a falling out with somebody. And then you're like, I'm still thinking about that one time. And they're like, which one? Yeah, exactly.

There is probably a good 25% of this contact list that I could send that to. And they'd be like, imagine I landed on Cooter Ron. Should we just do that for fun? Where do you stand with Scooter? Cuder. I don't stand with. We do not stand with Cootter. I don't stand with Coot Scoot Scoot.

No. And boogie. Scoot Boot and Sidney, Smoot Boot and Sidney. It's right a song called Scoot Boot Boot. and Sidney'sweeney. I'm gagged. Yes, please. You know what?

I talk shit on that man, but here's the thing. He did right by me in the end. He got me out of all the, I mean, I could have been shelved. I could have been stuck in contracts for years and years and years and years to come. And he did right by me. He got me out of all those deals. That's actually amazing. It's huge.

And it speaks a lot to the care that was there. It wasn't just reckless abandon. You know, like I was talking about Penny earlier. There were so many people from that air that were wonderful. and lovely. So it's not, it's hard to just like, that's fair.

I get that. That's, I have so many, that's called growth too, because there's so many people that I can just talk so much shit on, but I can also see the blessings in what it was. Totally.

Yeah, there was a lot of blessings. And I learned a lot. All right. I'm still thinking about that one time. It's, it's blue. Did it say delivered?

Oh, no, it doesn't say delivered. It doesn't? It does say delivered now. Oh, Lucy Hale. I love you. I'm sorry if this is crazy. I love it so much.

Yeah, I sang on Lucy's country record. Yeah, I knew that. She's going to be like, what the other person right back yet? No. Are you uncomfortable? No, I'm so nervous. I'm so uncomfy for you. Like, you literally landed on like probably one of the more famous people in my phone.

That's insane. Well, I love her. So Lucy, we love you. Yeah, we do love you, Lucy. And I'm going to be thinking about this one time for a long time. Now, you hitting, send on that next thing, delivered. I'm dead. But watch somebody's like, who is this?

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm really hoping and praying for. Okay, now you get to ask me one. Okay. Oh, I really want to do this. I feel like I want to go Bachelor Nation. Okay. Who is the worst ever bachelorette?

I can answer that. Boom, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. It's funny because my brain goes, who do I actually think in my brain is the worst person that's a bachelor? Who do I think season was the worst? No, I think who's the worst Bachelorette as a person? Oh, I got to scroll. Oh, I'm so scared.

Now I know the rush feeling. Holy shit, I'm so scared. I am shaking. I am. Oh, God, oh, God, I got, oh, God. Oh, God, oh, God. Mickey Mouse, peeing the house. What color was it?

Red. R.E.D. Piss poo, Mountain, dude. Miles on site. That could not be funnier. Oh my gosh. For context, people listening to everyone here probably knows who that is.

Yeah. But Miles owns and started on site, which is a therapy retreat where you go in here like, not well. Yeah, comprehensive. Intensive. Yeah. Three day.

Intensive. I said comprehensive. Does that make sense? You know who has hoping he'd like? land on? Who? Benji Madden. Oh, I would have loved that. Well, now I just told people something happened there. But look, it was like 15 years ago. He was not with Cameron Diaz. It was the 90s. We were all dating someone from Good Charlotte. Miles. I'm still, about one time he's like, call me. I'm shaking. He's married. Am I really doing this? This is your game, honey. I'm still,

I'm shaking. I'm shaking so bad. I'm still thinking about that. Can I do an exclamation point instead of three dots? Oh, I did exclamation points. I didn't do the dot. Oh, okay. I didn't know that was a rule.

Okay, see? I'm still thinking about that one time. Oh, send. Ah! I hate it. Yeah. I hate it here. Oh, yeah.

You texted a therapist. I texted a pretty little liar. Yeah, I'd rather that. I just text the owner of like a very high-end wellness retreat. I'm going to die if you just called. I'll answer and explain it. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to throw up.

I actually feel like I haven't been this uncomfied in a very long time. Oh my God. And I keep getting texts and I'm like, oh, God. Are you not freaking out about your text? I'm like, not okay. I'm like, here's the thing about me is when I'm stressed, I am calm, cool, collect. And it's about the only time I'm, I think like all the natural disasters I've incurred in my life have kind of done that to me,

but I'm just kind of like... I mean, a tornado in Nashville literally ripped through your house. Yeah. Like you didn't have a ceiling. And then another tornado in Nashville sent a tree through my rental property a year later. So if a third tornado finds me, I'm just going to have to like just submit to... There's got to be a meaning. Well, I'm like, oh, well, this is my X-Men origin story.

Like, I'm clearly causing this. Like... Or you are meant to survive every natural disaster and just count your blessings. I do not. want that to be my life. No, that can't happen three times. That's like getting struck by lightning three times. That's what they say twice, but I happen to twice. I can't. He's probably like, what the fuck is she talking about? I'm out of here. Okay, let's talk about this new way. While I sit here and wait to see the dreaded bubbles come up, let's talk about your new music. I'm dying. Do you have

the black lung? It's hot in here, yes. It is really hot in here. No, I have horrible allergies. There's not enough allergies. There is not enough allergy pills on this planet. I've been thinking I'm sick this whole time and it's just allergies. No, it's exactly. I literally just, I'm like, by the time I go to bed tonight, I'm fine. And then waking up in the morning, I'm like, not me asking if you have the black lung. You got the black lung pop? No, I don't think my lungs are black.

I don't smoke, but all my friends do. Tell me about your music. I'm obsessed. Tell me about everything. We just put out an EP called Baby Jake. It has three songs on it, two originals, one cover. We cover the Spice Girls. We got the Spice Girl sample of approval last week.

Can you give us like a little bar? No. Okay. I know. That's I know when people I said that's so bad. I gave you a little bar earlier when I gave you the Oh, you did, yeah. You're not being yourself and it makes me uncomfortable. That's true. I'm still sick about this. Okay, go. Sorry. I'm kind of freaking out about Lucy Hill thinking I'm being crazy. Okay, well, we just, I'm turning my phone up.

You know what? Well, we live. Also, Miles is probably like, she sent it to the wrong Miles. That's what I'm hoping for. That's a good way to put that too. Because we can't like leave here and then go, I'm just kidding. That had to be done on a podcast. This is, we did it. We're seeing this through. Yeah. Okay.

Anyways, back to your EP. I hope Lucy Hill just ignores me on this. You do? I hope she does. What if it like reignites a friendship? Well, I mean. Because what if she's like, what? Then you can be like, there was a thing on Caitlin's podcast.

And I really didn't look. I really, you saw me. I didn't look. Yeah, I didn't. I mean, yeah, I didn't think you cheated. I did a piss, poo, mountain do who's it? Not you. Are all three songs, Bluegrass?

It's kind of like, I don't want to say that, you know, Bluegrass is like, I feel like it's such like a revered genre of people who like spend their whole life perfecting their craft and their instrument. And they know they're all encyclopedias of that style of music. So I wouldn't say like this is bluegrass, but it's definitely inspired and it's music that I love so much. And like the song Love Me Back I wrote by myself back back in 2018. Really? Yeah. And then the other song called To the Moon, I wrote with my good friends, John and Jacob, from the,

the band The Brummies. And Jingleheimer-Smith? And Jingle-Dimers-Smith. Yeah. They're in a band called the Brummies, which are incredible. But back in the day, they were just called John and Jacob. And that's the first song we ever wrote together in 2013. And it's always been a song I love.

So I think a lot of this next project and everything I'm going to be putting out is like kind of going back in my catalog and cutting songs that were kind of in my pop era. Fun. But using the inspiration and the organic instrumentation of bluegrass to kind of dress these songs and produce them. How creative? Yeah, it's kind of, and it's also my first time, like, producing my own. How did that feel? It felt really good. I'm like, I'm producing with my buddy Gideon and, um, my other buddy Gabe and it's just the three of us in the room. I feel like you're talking about made up people this whole time. Yeah. John and Jacob. Gideon and Gabe. Yeah, it is,

it's a lot of alliteration. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. It's just, it's just easy. Is that fill your cup when you get to like put that out there, do it yourself, produce all of the, Like, is that, you're like, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Since 2015, I have been on a journey to make creating music fun for me again. And I feel like this is a space where I feel like I'm just getting to be in the studio existing. It was just me and Gideon and Gabe. And I literally, yeah, I literally, you know, we didn't have anyone else there. There's no one from my team's there.

There's no one speaking into it. It's just like what's happening organically in the moment on the spot. What gets you in that headspace or is that just like come easy to you? This project felt really easy because it's it kind of was experimental when we went in. It was kind of like, let's just see what this. Yeah, no one was telling you what to do. Yeah, I just want to see what happens. Yeah.

And I was so proud of it like the outcome and it was just really organic. Yeah. And I'm like, I feel like that's how music should be. Yeah. I don't feel like there should be so many spinning plates. And yeah, I'm just really trying to make it fun for myself again. I'm trying to make it easy like getting on the road as an independent artist is really hard. Yeah.

Having a band doing all the stuff, it just costs so much money. Yeah, it's insane. So if I can just have like the bare minimum and like find ways to create music and be able to do it on the cheap, but also just make it fun again. Well, you got to make Kool-Aid Man merch. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's right. Except you could be like, hell no. Hell yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. You know what? Hell yeah. I'm like, oh, hell no. That's me bursting through the door

The gay boy George Kool-Aid man is like Oh, hell no That's it There it is, so that's the bird I heard you have a really good embarrassing story for me I have a pretty good one I felt like you would Well I've done a lot of embarrassing things over

I mean my whole diet pill addiction I talked about earlier that was embarrassing But so my best friend Natalie She's my manager now Also the sister of John and T.J. from Brothers Osborne Okay. So we're on a, she was my publisher at the time and we're on a writing retreat in 30A. Yeah. Love 30A. I am the waspiest version of myself when I'm in 30A.

It's like, can't tell me nothing. No, no, no. I'm the same. I mean, we're shoes inside stores. Yeah. So there's all these songwriters, all these artists and me and Natalie and a group of guys at night decided to walk down to the beach, you know, because it's like we're all tripping too. That's the other thing. Okay. We're all tripping mushrooms. Like really hardcore. Yeah, it was like, I was like in a weird headspace. You were on Pluto. Because sometimes shrooms, you're not in the driver's seat with mushrooms.

No. And so I was having a little bit of a weird trip, but we like go down to the beach. And it's like me and Natalie, my friend's John and Jacob that I wrote to the moon with and some other guys. And then Natalie's brother, T.J. And we're all like on the beach like hanging out. And then Natalie and I are like laying down on the sand. And then for some reason, I'm like laying on my stomach and Natalie's laying on her back. and for some reason they were like, what if we buried y'all?

And Natalie's like, do it. And I'm kind of like just like in my head like, I don't want to be buried, but I can't say anything. So I'm just like sitting there and like I'm like laying on my stomach right next to Natalie. And she's like dying laughing and they just start burying us. I'm already getting anxiety. And in my head, I'm like, this is so crazy. This is like me and Natalie just laying on the beach letting men bury us. Like is this like a metaphor for like what we do in our real life?

too. Oh, deep. I'm not going to this like horrible place in my head. I'm like spiraling. I'm like kind of like telling Natalie, I'm like, I'm freaking out. And she's just like laughing. She's just, because she's just a, she's so fun. Yeah.

So she's just like ha ha ha ha. Yeah. And then all of a sudden I got so nervous and there's like a mound of sand. I am now fully buried. Yeah. And I tuted. Oh. I thought you're going to say you peed.

You two did. No, I farted. Okay. And I'm not a farter. I don't like to fart. I don't want people. People fart 32 times. a day. You definitely fart. Not in front of people I don't.

And I also get embarrassed even when I'm by myself. I'm like, oh, like I always every time I fart, I'm like, oh, yeah, it's like a thing. But in front of all these, like, hot dudes, like, they're all attracted. And it was a loud one. I mean, yeah, it was, and I'm buried in stance. It was like, mm. And everyone's like,

and Natalie knows that I do not like to fart. Like, it is like a thing. You're like, I'm freaking out. No, yeah. Yeah, I was like, I'm freaking out. Like it was loud and like under the mouth and TJ was like did you just fart and I was like no no and I'm like on the verge of tears and Natalie my freaking rider died from day one she's like that was me she's like that was me I farted in front of all these hot dudes as the sand's like yeah yeah everyone literally knew like like the sand around my ass is just like crap oh what a friend yeah she just like took one for the team but no one believed it it was just it was too late at that point it was just too far gone but Yeah, I don't like to be buried in the sand anymore. Moral of the story.

Yeah. Moral of the stories do not ever let men bury you. No, that's scarce a shit up. Not in the sand and not in life and not in business either. What do you feel about this? When somebody downloads your song, do you see like one cent of that? Well, if they're downloading it, like if they purchase it, you get money. Sorry, what do you think about streaming?

People can just stream and then you don't get anything for that? I don't know the specifics of it, but I do know it's made making money. harder as an artist and a songwriter. How can my listeners support you in the best way possible? The best way to support me is to buy the music, to buy tickets to the show, to buy the merch. That is the best way to support. Another way is to repost, to comment, to engage. That is the best way. And the unfortunate thing is I was born a fabulous gay man and I'm not a mediocre straight dude. Yeah. Because if I was, I'd have all the shots in the world. But, I do understand that in the seat I sit in and I have to work 10 times harder.

I have to show up and do, you know, my best and just keep going. And I'm committed to that. And I'm committed to finding the audience that fuchs with that. Yes. And I'm here to commit to helping you achieve that with my, because I feel like my audience will love you. They already do. You've been on my podcast before, no.

I haven't you? I haven't. What? You've been on my radio show. Why did I think like eight years ago you were on my podcast? Well, I will say every time we're together, I feel like it turns into a bit of a bit of, of a podcast. We just can't shut the fuck up.

We're just like, we're two yappers. Oh my God. Okay, well, tell people where they can find you so that they can go like and comment and engage and support you. Yeah, you can find me on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, under Fancy Hey Good. You guys have to do it because your voice is just, anytime Taryn and I get ready together, if she does my makeup, we listen to your music. That's so sweet. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. She is such a, you know, supportive angel as well. I've known Taryn forever. She is. That's who you came to my house with like 10 years ago.

Yeah, in the dirty herm. Not the dirty herm. Yeah, that's where I used to live. The dirty, I actually love the herbage. I feel like you can only call it that if you live there. So true. Now that you live in this neighborhood, you can't call it dirty herm. But I love the dirty herm.

I say it as like a term of endearment. I like loved it. One of my, have you been writing your own podcast over there? It's been doing voice to text. Yeah, sending it all to Lucy. Yeah, she still hasn't responded though. I'm like, oh, God. I'm telling you, I used to love it.

I love living in the Herm because I would just, it was the simple life. I just drive to the Outback Steakhouse. Do you love Outback Steakhouse? Love out. And Chili's, mm-hmm, love. You're a chain restaurant really like me. That's like what we had in Canada. Like, we all love to chain.

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