Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Gabby Barrett | Competing, Singing, and Falling in Love on American Idol!

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

#914. You may think you know how American Idol works… but Gabby Barrett explains how the audition process actually goes.This week on Off The Vine, Gabby takes us behind the scenes of Idol in a way you’ve probably never heard before — from how she was really discovered, to what happens before you ever stand in front of the judges, to competing on the show while falling for her now-husband.After Idol, we get into the song no label wanted… before it changed her life forever and suddenly everyone started calling. We also talk about what tour life looks like with three kids, how she writes heartbreak songs from a happy marriage, and how a John Mayer quote shaped why she never reveals who her songs are about.AND yes — there’s an embarrassingly honest confession you won’t see coming.Trust us, this is one of the good ones ;) (get it?).If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Covergirl: Go the distance with COVERGIRL’s new Eye Enhancer Wrap Tubing Mascara for a lash extension effect. Shop at your nearest retailer now. Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.comFigs: Check out the limited-edition Team USA collection, and get 15 percent off your first order at Wearfigs.com with code FIGSRX.Tonal: Right now, Tonal.com is offering $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code VINE.Momentous: Right now, Momentous is offering up to 35% off your first order with promo code VINE when you head to livemomentous.com.Pura: For a limited time, get a free Pura Plus home diffuser when you subscribe to your favorite fragrances for 12 months. Grab your free diffuser at Pura.com.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance! Booking.com: Head over to booking.com and start your listing today. Get Seen. Get Booked on Booking.com!EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (4:28) – Gabby breaks down the real American Idol audition process — what happens long before you ever see the judges!(7:05) – Falling for her now-husband while competing on Idol (and why she had to chase him).(32:15) – The song no label wanted… until everyone wanted it!(49:15) – An unexpectedly humbling (and hilarious) confession you won’t see coming.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, Vino's, real quick, if you are listening right now, which obviously you are, you wouldn't be hearing this, can you hit the subscribe or follow button on whatever platform you're on? Please, that one simple thing helps more than you even realize it allows me to keep growing on this podcast and making these episodes the best they can possibly be obviously for you. That's the only favorite I'm going to ever ask, okay? It truly means the world to me. Thank you. Now let's get into it. welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow, and today we have Gabby Barrett on the podcast. She is obviously an incredible country singer because we all know the song. Roll it.

She started on American Idol, made it into the top three. Her now husband was top four. They have such a romantic little story that I decided I wanted to make a movie about. But behind all the hits, the awards and the powerhouse vocals, she is a woman who grew up one of eight kids, but that is a story that you're about to hear. And married very young in the public eye, but has such a great head on her shoulders. I just, I really enjoyed my conversation with her, and I think you will too. When did you go on American Idol? 2017 into 2018. Yeah.

See? Wow. See, we're right on track. You're as old as my podcast. And you're also one of eight kids, which I always find that dynamic so crazy because I was one of two and I was still fighting for attention. I was like, look at me. Everybody, look at me.

And one of eight, I'm like, what was that dynamic like growing up? Well, my parents were each married another time. Got it. So they had kids at different phases. and then they got together and had me and two others. So I'm primarily close with the two others. I do have relationships with some of others, but primarily my brother who's two years older than me

and then my sister who is a year younger than me. So we're all like very close. But it's wild having siblings and family like spread out all over the United States. Like one's in Philly, one's in Florida, one's in, who knows. So it's a little chaotic. But it was, yeah, we never had, sometimes when I say, oh, I'm one of eight, you think of, like all those people in the house.

How did you do that? Yes. But most of the time it was chill because everybody's different ages. And so the older kids were like out of the house and stuff like that. So yeah, not so exciting on that front. Well, it's the same thing when people ask me how many siblings I have. I'm like, well, I have six step sisters and stepbrother. And they're like what?

And I'm like, I didn't grow up with them because my parents remarried when I was like 20. And so they're technically step sisters and brother. But like, you know, so I kind of get where you're coming from. But it sounds cool. say six-step sisters. Yeah. That would be scary to have growing up with that. That much estrogen in one house. Yeah, that'd be wild. Liding over the bathrooms and the broken things. Yeah, my sister and I used to fight so hard over the hot rollers. And now I look back, I go, why didn't we just get two sets of hot rollers? You know what? I think I got a set from a thrift store one time when I was younger and my dad would

always take us to the thrift store and I love them. Yeah, they're great. They give you the nice blow, which I tried to do today. And that's why my hair is an opponent. I did that red light wand. Okay. I've been targeted for that on TikTok shop. No, not yet. Oh, well, you will now. It does actually make your hair nice and shiny, but my hair is like so fine and it's

in an awkward stage because I'm growing it out. And so I just looked like I was the mum from the Brady Bunch, you know, her hair where it's like, it was like swooped under this way and then flipped out thin on the bottom. It was just not a look. But no. Anyways. Well, then I won't go on my rant about being one of eight for the next 20 minutes.

I always have to know like when people are that because I know somebody that was one of 11 like actually one of 11 and I always wanted like them to start a family band and like tour of the countryside. Did you imagine? That would be cool. Does music run in your family or are you the only one? I'm the only one out of the siblings. When we're trying to figure out like where the musical point is connected, it's more so on my dad's side. But I'm really the only true musical one. Nobody else really wanted to do anything in music.

So it's different. I also, I want to camp out here. a minute, not the eight kids thing, but American Idol. Because I always like to know the behind the scenes of TV shows. Like I know obviously the Bachelor and Bachelorette behind the scenes and it's wild. So American Idol, like obviously we've heard great stories, horror stories, so many things. But what is the audition process like, like not the TV version, the real version, but the one like before you even get in front of the judges? Yeah, that's what I went through. I went through being casted onto the show. So I would just put up YouTube videos.

all the time. Yeah. Of just singing videos or whatever it was. And they have producers that scout for talent on the internet. And somehow they found me. And see, we're going back to spam. They had emailed and I thought it was spam. Really?

I did for real to where I was like planning to, if it wasn't real, like go to the voice, try out for the voice. Like I was very just like trying to have things planned out in case it wasn't real, but it ended up being real. And it was a call. You sing, you meet, you know, with somebody. on the laptop. And I remember having my microphone, like, plugged into a speaker. And I sang a song or two. And then they're like, okay, thank you very much. And then you, like, hear back

from them or you don't. And so I had heard back from them. And it was like, you made it to singing in front of the judges. And so then... Was it only one round? Like, you just, they found you, you sang on a computer in front of them. And then they say you're going to go in front of the judges now. I think so. From what I remember, yes. I remember singing on the screen once. And then, yes, going to the judges. Okay. And then you're in front of the judges. And is it What is the TV land like there? Is it really you just walking in for the first time and they're sitting there and you're like, here's what I'm going to sing?

Yeah. It's very just like high stakes. I remember feeling it was high stakes. I was so nervous as well. Very nervous. And when you're nervous, you have a hard time breathing when you sing. Oh, yeah. And then you rush.

And then you're like trying to get it out because you're so nervous. But I feel like the judges were kind of like a bit hard on you, but only because I feel like they really believed you had something special. Oh, thank you. But like at that time, you were 17 years old. Were you just like shit in your pants where one they're like, you got to find your own voice. And you're like, I'm 17. I don't even know who I am yet. Yeah. I had a little bit of all that mixed in there for sure because I went in with like a plan of what to sing and hoping for the best outcome. And so when it starts to get like switched around and I wasn't expecting that, I was like, what? Yeah. Because I ended up singing a song that I had not planned, not talk to anybody about.

And that's what ended up getting me through to the next round. Was there anyone else that's like a memorable name from your season? Well, Maddie Poppy won the season. And then Caleb Hutchinson was second place. And they were together at the time on the show. And then I was third. And then my husband was fourth. He was fourth?

Yeah. Oh, that's cute. It was pretty wild. So when did you guys start falling like for each other on the show? I had to chase him down. You did? Yes. He was like, he's done such a 180, 360.

now in life. He's just such a different person has come so far along from where he started. But on the show, I think I noticed him around top 24. Oh, wow. Top 24. Yeah, we really had to like narrow everybody down. I just did not. I was like the girl that was over in the corner, like with my headphones on. How many did you start at? I think like 400. What? Yeah, around 400. I thought you'd be like 40? No. They're just like slicing people down quickly. Wow. Like you're thrown through some challenging things and like,

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I'm in the process of learning that right now. So I actually am on like day four and I'm going to take people along on socials of like a 10-day like guitar learning thing on YouTube. And I'm just like, let's just see what happens with us. That's a good idea. It hurts my fingers though so bad to where I was like I have to be. Because my husband plays a guitar. So Cade, my husband, he was very known for like playing guitar, especially on Idol. He was very, very good guitar player.

And he's been playing for the past several years for me, lead for me. So we actually get to do it together, which is really nice. But I was like, hey, I have to be using the wrong strings or something. He's like, oh, yeah, those are steel strings. So they're going to, like it literally felt like I was slicing into the bone. I'd be like decode. Oh, like dead because my fingers hurt. So I'm...

You got to build up the calluses. I guess, but I don't want calluses. Oh. I just don't. Then you don't want to play guitar. my friend. It's like, do you want Kales? Do you want to play guitar?

So, but no, but he told me there's softer strings. And somebody just told me the other day, they said, practice on the electric guitar because the electric guitar is so much easier than like acoustic. Do you know how to play guitar? Just a like teeny tiny little bit. Okay. Somebody said practice on the acoustic guitar and I was like, okay, my day four video is going to be starting the electric guitar.

Yeah, it actually is, it's a lot bigger though, I feel like, to hold or heavier. But I only learned, I took guitar lessons for like, I don't know, six months. But then I tried to teach myself. And I could play like some Dixie Chicks or the chicks. And what else could I play? A foo fighter song? That's a tough one actually. But I remember the same thing.

But then I can't do it anymore because I always think, I want to get back into guitar. But I like my nails too much. Well, Dahlies apparently can play it with like long, long, long nails. Yeah. She's been shown to like play all of the strings and everything. thing with all her nose. She's just the best. She's so awesome. I feel you though. It's, I was pressing into the, to the string and like my nails and then the back of my finger was hitting another string to her it was like not sounding good. So I don't know how she does that. I don't know,

but I want to try to keep my nails too. That's the ideal. Well, mine are just big old fake ones, but I just, yeah, I just think guitar is such a cool skill. And we'll get to your husband because I do have things to say about that because I find it really adorable, especially for how young you guys got together and then like where you're at now. I think it's cool. Just this is like one weird question that I don't usually ask, but do they pay you to go on American Idol? Do they pay you to go on to the show?

Like if you make it a certain to a certain time. Like on Dancing with the Stars, they pay you to go on the show and then they pay. But I mean, granted, you've already built like a brand at that point in like a career. So that would be crazy for them to not pay you where this is kind of like a big stage for you to get a platform on. But on Dancing with the Stars, the further you made it, you got more. money. Got it. Did they do that on American Idol? You know what? I'm not sure. I was 17 at the time. So I was like, I know. Yeah, right. He'd be the person to ask. I was like minor. I was my, my head was not

thinking in terms of that. I know that I've, yeah, received some residuals from them because I for especially during the live portions that were like very concentrated on you and whatnot. Was there a performance that you did watch back and you're like, either you're like, I could have done that way better or you're like, that was my best performance. Yeah, there was one that I was super duper, duper, duper nervous about. We had original songs that we had to do towards the very end of the show. And original songs that were like pitches for us. It wasn't one that I had personally wrote. Okay.

But the turnarounds are so fast. And so whether you're sick or whether you're tired or whatever and you're waking up early mornings and you're rehearsing and things just move so fast. Yeah. And it's like finale. It's like a lot of people are watching. Yeah. I was so nervous to sing that song.

It was called Rivers Deep. It's still out on. the internet too. And some people still will comment that or send me a DM and be like, I love Rivers you. Really? I'm like, thanks. Yeah, because it's so like buried right now. But that one and the lives were just hard for me. The lives. It was top 14. And then it was cut all the way down to to the winner. Yeah, that's hard when you're taking in criticism and feedback of like a very big show with millions of viewers at the age of 17. Yeah.

How, what was like mentally the hardest part for you? And how did you get through that? Um, my dad was really, really, really encouraging through all of it. So, um, and he always kind of taught me to use negativity as like fuel for the fire. Nonetheless, of course, I'm still human and those things affect. Of course. Um, and you're always like battling that, right? Mm-hmm.

But just making smarter choices of like not looking into the comments as much and trying to shift your mindset to being as. positive and as, you know, strong as possible, not, not to take yourself, you know, too seriously. Yeah. I think when you, when you take everything too seriously can kind of get you in a bind a little bit. And that's something I have to work through even now. But my dad was really encouraging through that. I was hard on myself, but, you know, live and you learn.

That's kind of impressive, though, because I always think, I always compare myself, I shouldn't do that, but to when I was 17 years old. Oh, my God. Like if I, if I looked back onto like, now that everyone's doing the 20, 2016 throwback. Yeah. Like if I was to look back on when I was 17, I was such a loser. Oh my gosh. No, I had no idea who I was.

I had no faith in myself. I had no, I thought I just needed to marry a rich guy. And like, that's how I would be successful in life. Like, I thought very low of myself, it's just sad. Because now I really don't. But that 17, I just felt like. Who the hell am I and who the hell cares? Yeah.

I just, whatever. It was like later in my 20s that things really changed in my brain. But at 17 to go through, that probably was something that actually was a pivotal time for you mentally to like strengthen yourself and know who you are to do something that big at that age. Yeah. It definitely going through those things helped me, I think, to know who I was as a person sooner rather than later. Yeah.

Which is helpful, especially with where I'm at right now. No kidding. No kidding. Okay. I wrote competing while falling in Lerve. Lerve. I don't know why I wrote it the Lerve, but I just feel like on top of all that, that's just like the high stakes, the pressure, the live shows, the voice.

You're also like, that's so fun that you also had a crush in that time, but you were saying that you had to chase him down. I did. Was he a bad boy? He, I think so on American Idol, like that was the vibe. Well, he's like, even his Instagram. He reminds me of like a cowboy, like a Johnny Cash, like, just like. That's who he is now.

Yeah. I mean, now he's always been like that, like deep down. He grew up in a very small town in East Texas. Like, that is who he is to the core. And he would tell you this. He went through a hard, just like rock and roll phase where he just wanted to be, you know, in that world. He wanted to adapt to that culture. And so he was in that phase during American Idol where he had the long hair. And it was so, it was beautiful hair. Like everybody was jealous. I was jealous. I was jealous. I wanted the hair. I would be too. I still, yeah, I want to go back and get scraps. But he had beautiful, long hair. He had these green eyes. He looked very like, I don't know, he looked like Greek or something. He looked like, kind of reminded me of Elvis had like strong features in the face, which I find very appealing. And taller, lankier kind of, but wore the, you know, silky shirts that were buttoned down low and tight jeans and then knew how to play the guitar really well. So I was like, I'm sold. Like musicians in my book are like, check.

That's me with hockey players. So, okay. Yeah. Everybody's got their thing. Hockey is. Not anymore, but it definitely was like I could smell them from a mile away. Yes. I would be like,

smells like goalie. Smells like hockey gloves. If he had no tooth, that's even hotter. Like I was like broken nose missing tooth. Yeah. Yeah. Fights. Hot.

That's so cute though because, so did he, did you guys start dating at that time? or you were just chasing him at that time? So top 24 rolled around. My dad had mentioned something about him on the stage. He was like, there's this dude that came out. And I had no idea who he was at the time still. But right around this time, I started noticing him. He came out onto the stage and he just like, he was checking like his guitar before they were going

on to film. And he was like, he just ripped the guitar. And it was so awesome. This dude just came on and commanded the stage. And I was like, who is that? Because we always just respected and found it very interesting. when, you know, other kids came on the stage and just looked like vets. Like they'd been doing it forever or whatever.

He looks like Robert Plant or, you know, Led Zeppelin or whoever. Yeah. So anyways, we were really fascinated about that. And then I saw him backstage and I told him he did a good job and he said, thank you. And it was very reserved. But to this day, he says he doesn't remember that. Really? I remember that.

And it did happen. Yeah. And then, yeah, I had to, I, this is so weird. For some reason, I was like, oh, how can I communicate to this guy? And I'm like in Soundcheck while we were like practicing. I was like, can I get a picture with you? Oh my gosh. Help me.

Please. Talk about something you don't want to replay. That. Okay. So I had game at 17, but I didn't give a shit about who I was. Did you? I game. Okay.

So we were, yeah. Yeah. You were a little switched. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have that. I would take that though. That's cute.

So asked him for a picture. We ended up hanging out in like a little conference room at the hotel that all the contestants were staying at. And we just picked around, played music. And then he asked me to hang out with him again. And then I started going out with him in like friend groups. He had friend groups. I was like, like, lonesome like over to this. I just, I was like that.

I just wanted to like focus on the music. And I was a very introverted person. Yeah. Especially during that time. Yeah. Because I really wasn't trying to expand that or see a need for that at the time. So that's how we had met and then just continued through the show, hanging out with each other.

And then he asked me, you know, to be his lady. And he's leading lady. Leading lady. And yeah. And then the rest of the year went really fast. We went on to the American Idol tour after Idol, which is crazy. You go to a bunch of cities and dates on a tour bus with the top seven contestants. And you go around.

And so we got to know each other really quick. Yeah. Really, really, really quick. We were around each other so much. Yeah, that'll do it. So you know if you like that person or not very quickly. And it worked out really good for us. Clearly.

Because married now with children. Almost seven years married, yeah. That's amazing. Thank you. He plays guitar for you still. Yeah. It just kind of worlds collided. It really was.

It was such a big blessing how everything just worked out. We get to do it together because we really didn't see a world where it would work out doing it separately. The demands of artists and how what that calls for, the visibility, the attention, the traveling, especially as a new artist and like, trying to break through that. Yeah, that was going to probably be impossible. I feel like you two were born in the wrong years.

You think? Yeah. Why? Just even like your music references, like you just have like old school taste in music or you like know. Yeah, I just feel like you were born in the wrong year. I was. Yeah.

Like you should have been born in like, well, not, I don't like this also because women like were not treated very fairly in those years. But like I feel like you belonged in like the 70s. Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. I've never heard that. Thank you. Thanks. I don't know. I always feel that way about certain musicians and also people who just like at 17 had that in them. I don't know. I just feel like there's a lot of... You mean like old soul? Yeah. Yeah. Do you get that? I've gone that a couple times. Yeah. I could see that. I'm dressed like sort of 90s right now. You are 90s. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. I put it together and I was like, whoa. Do you have like a stylist that you probably for like shows and stuff, but in your everyday life, do you like to know? I don't have a stylist for that, but I love pulling outfits together. You do.

I just have the hardest time making time for it because you kind of have to play. I'm sure you know this. You kind of have to play like dress up for a minute to try it when you're putting the stuff together. I don't know. I'm not somebody that's like easy that's like, oh, yep, yep. Oh, this will look amazing. I have to see it on. I can do Pinterest.

I go to Pinterest and I go. That's smart. Cool, chic, yeah. Edgy New York girl fashion. And then I look and I go, I'll never pull that off. I can't do that. Every time. And then I hate pulling outfits together because I do do that where I'm like playing dress up.

And then I hate cleaning up after myself. Yeah. You don't want to put that back on the hanger. Yeah. No. Why is it so hard to put clothes back on a hanger? It's just, I don't know. That's a good question.

10 seconds yet it's the least like I'm like, I'll do it later. And then a pile adds up and then it takes even more time. And I whenever someone comes and like helps me organize my closet or I clean my closet, I go, I'll never let it pile. again and three days later there it is the graveyard of my tryons. Yes. Cool edgy New York girl chic. That didn't happen.

Yes. Or sometimes I'll get a pile and I'll go do the same thing. I'm like not doing that again because that took so long and it took up a bunch of space and it looked ugly in the room with all the clothes everywhere, right? And then I get them put back. And then I take something off the hangar. And then I'm like, nope, I'm going to put that on the hanger. And then it takes something off the hangar, second time.

No, I'm going to put that on the hanger. Take it off the third time. Starts the pile. Yeah. It's always the, it's just the way it goes. I have piles everywhere. I live by myself, though, so I feel like I can get away with it. But once I move in with somebody, they're going to be like, maybe they'll be a bit messy in the closet, too. So my kitchen, everywhere else in the house is like spotless.

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And we were having wine. And she was going through a divorce. And her ex or she was going through it at the time, like pretty sure he cheated. No, I'm guarantee he cheated. Actually, I know for a fact he cheated, but I'm bleeping out names. But I used your song. I hope to put over a night drinking wine and I said something sassy in the video. And she had recorded a voice.

memo of them fighting or something because he is so hateful. And she showed me what he said. I was like, because I posted the video, used your song about the cheating. And then he called me the C word. Oh, no. He said, tell that C-U-N-T to take down that video. And I was like, well, now I just want to put it to story again. Oh, my word.

Yeah, pinned it. Sorry. Pinned it. But it's like, I bet so many people just like related so hard to the song. But the thing is, I'm like, how was it writing a song like that when you're happily married? Where do you get inspo from? Friends? Other writers?

I was not married yet. We were still dating. But he wasn't cheating on you? Thankfully not. I did have somebody cheated on me, though. Oh, you did. Okay. You can pull from that.

I did. And it wasn't, it wasn't something like extreme. It was like ninth grade, you know, situation where it was like a first boyfriend. Yeah. And it just went south. He took a liking into another girl, but not in the most. proper order way. I just wrote from that perspective. It was still like raw for me at them. I was 18. Funny enough, I actually never graduated from high school either. I never ended up graduating from

high school now because I went on to Idol when I was 17 and then things just got so busy. Yeah. Where I wasn't able to keep up with it. You don't need it. I'm doing okay. Yeah. I'm doing all right. I hope my niece isn't listening. I'm like, you don't need it. Yeah. So yeah, that's how I wrote from that perspective. We were dating still so it wasn't, you know, too far gone. Yeah. to access. It was still very fresh right there. So that's, I didn't know that. Okay. I thought you were married at the time. I was like, how do you do that? Yeah. But also that song just went wild. And we, weren't you the first after somebody named Taylor Swift or something to go top three on the top 100 of a country song

that turned pop? Yeah, I think so. Those are, those are stats. Those are stats. And somebody else typically knows the scratch. Those are what I like to call stats for you. I got them right here. Thank you. I did my reason. So I think that's accurate. That's cool. Thank you. I just think sharing anything with Taylor Swift would be cool. Absolutely.

That's cool. But yeah, that's a big deal because I feel like to go for a song to be so big that because it started in the country world, right? Yeah. Yeah. To go over to pop is so huge because that means like people are really liking on that song that they want to play it on pop stations. And I feel like everybody knows that song.

And then it was independently no label, no guarantees. You just went for it. What made you believe in that song so much? It was me and management at the time. It was just me, management. And I had just gotten into Nashville and started writing with writers. And it was me, Zach Kale, John Knight. And it was, I think, the first time that I had written with John Knight.

So it was just us three. The song came about in a silly way. I mean, we were supposed to write a song. I think we were talking about writing a song that was like, the girl got done wrong, but the girl responded in a really positive kind way, which is very admirable. and I think that that is fantastic, but I was just still a bit unheeled this time and raw.

Yeah. And was like, I don't think, I don't think I would reply like that. Or I don't think people would reply like that, you know, I think they feel like if they get cheated on that, you know, I hope you feel that same hurt back, you know, because you really dug into me. So I feel like you, you know, I hope you can feel that way too, feel that hurt too.

So I'm not just so like openly wounded over here. And so that's what I had kind of explained to him. I was like, girls don't react so sweetly, like when they're cheated on and stuff. And that's literally how that song ended up falling out. It was just like a perfect swirl of music, of lyric, of melody in just the right ways. And so what made us kind of believe in that song, I would say I literally had probably like a handful of songs that I had written in town. Like that was like the fourth song I'd ever written in Nashville. And it kind of stuck out like a sore thumb, right?

It's like to everybody, we were like, oh, yeah. This sounds like a special song. And then we were like, we need to drop something. So didn't have a label. I had went from label to label to label in town playing, singing for labels, saying, hey, here's a piece of this song that Gabby's written. Here's a piece of this song. And nobody's really interested.

I understand a bit in the sense of like coming off of a television show and then she comes into town and it's like, do I want to gamble this? Because some people have coming to town, taking risks. And maybe it didn't work out the way they wanted it to with an artist. So I understand, but it was still really hard because I was like, you know, everybody believes in something here. Yeah. So we were like, shoot, drop the song. Drop the song.

It was like unbelievable. It was unbelievable what happened so fast to it to. And then it was like, label, label, label, label, label. That was like, told you, told you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So.

Yeah. So when you come off idle, how long is the contract, like they don't own like the rights to you and that kind of music that you do? There's 19 recording that's attached to, um, yes. But they can't stop you from doing stuff. I don't think so. No. No, they were very, they were very excited, if anything. Okay. Well, that makes sense. I guess so. And then you got to perform on Idol that song. Yep. And on the stage that, save stage. Yep. I got to debut. Yep. And then announce that you signed with Warner. Mm-hmm. That's, was that like a full circle moment. That was. I mean, that was a couple, that was a couple of months into 2019. So I was engaged at the time. Yeah, it was engaged at the time. That song was doing what

it was doing. Yeah. And so that was like, what, a year prior was when I was just finishing American Idol. So it was such a cool year turnaround. It's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that doesn't happen for a lot of people. That's really impressive. It's wild. Thank you. But I feel like you, again, believing in a song, but also like believing that you deserved that too. I feel like you knew. It was a long time coming. Yeah. It was. It was. And now you never know.

Like, you just never know what's going to connect to people. I, if you asking me, like, did you know that that was going to be how big it was? No, I didn't. But one of John Knight in the room, I remember him leaving. And he had hits with artists. And, you know, he had some big songs that were already out there and doing things. And I remember him leaving. And he was like, I think this might be, like, possibly one of the biggest songs that I've ever, like, been a part of it.

written on to. And I was like, ha, you know, like I was like, oh, that's so encouraging. Thank you. I'll be writing with you again. Yeah. And wildly enough, it turned into what it did. That's wild. I feel like other people always know it before you do. The country industry has changed so much to where like in a positive way with not so much putting people in boxes and wanting you to be a certain way and sing a certain way and sing a certain song and look a certain way. I feel like they're starting to accept like you doing your own thing. Yeah, it's definitely a bit more. I mean, especially with the music side, like cross genre. You know, it's not that you have to sound like Merle Haggard or something to like sing in country music anymore.

But there's a lot of intermingling and mixing, which is really cool. And you got married in 2019, right? Is that what you said? Engaged and married in 2019? Yes. Amazing. March 2019. So right around like when I hope was dropping.

Yeah. Big year. We got engaged very big year. Very, very, things went very quickly. Where did you guys get married? In Texas. In Texas? Yep.

What is his relationship with music now compared to his? rock and roll phase. He just went back to his roots. He was, he grew up on, you know, like 90s country. Oh, my faith. Deep country cuts. Like going way far back here is like Marty Robbins. And like he likes, I don't even know what you'd call it. It's like, um, like very just cowboy songs. Like there's a more, more recent artist. His name's Colter Wall. Do you know who that is at all? Okay. I'll look into that. You'll, you'll have to, yes, you'll have to look at him. I think several people have wanted him in Nashville and he kind of resists the system because he doesn't want to be in it. But he's such a cool artist and has such a cool sound. So it's just very cowboy. Some of the terms

I don't even understand where I'm like, yes, blue beller and like all these things. Like yeah, it's like cowboy, cowboy. So that's what he's returned to. That's what he likes writing. That's what he likes singing. And he does it just in a way that he enjoys. And so he's, he's actually getting ready to release some music now for himself in that kind of way, which is really neat to see him grow as an artist, especially seeing an artist continue their art, continue writing songs, but in a way that really means something to them because a lot of special songs come out of that. I agree. People get so thrown off by what they should or what they think people want to hear instead of just doing what comes from within them, which always is going to feel better for everybody involved.

That's really cool. And then how I find this fascinating because at such a young age and also like with this newfound fame and this big song, how do you grow, or what were the challenges, I guess, of growing a foundation and a relationship through the public eye? How did I grow a foundation with the public eye? Yeah, like, what were the challenges, I guess? Because, or did you find any? Was it just like, because I, I'm dating privately and I've had two public relationships and I feel very jaded.

So I just feel like it's challenging to have a marriage and relationship that people can have their opinions on. Mm-hmm. Especially you guys came from the same show. On a marriage front, I don't really pay attention to people's perception on marriage very much. I just don't spend much time on it because I know who I am as a person. I also know who he is as a person. And what's important to us is like what we're doing and committing to behind cameras.

Yeah. And I think that's a solid way to keep things together and not so separated. Because when things get out and spread too much, it can get a little sticky. So yeah, he's a good guy and I'm really, really thankful for him. It's been amazing to have him too with being a guitar player for me and my lead, my lead guy. You know, a lot of those... That's so romantic. I hope they make a movie about you guys.

Oh, no. A lot of those high pressure moments, like in the beginning where the songs were with I Hope and the good ones and all of that. And I was on award shows and different things like that. It was really nice to be able to look over. That's a great song too. And see him. Thank you. Yes.

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I feel like people get lost in that a bit if they choose to. For sure. And then how many kids do you have? I have three. Three kids. You are so ahead of the times. Like I'm over here 40 living alone with two dogs just being like. Everybody works at their own pace. Yeah. I'm definitely working at my own pace and I'm here for it because I've learned a lot. Did motherhood like change your perspective of success or like how do you balance both? Yeah. Balance is probably, you know, I don't really think I say balance, but I don't think anyone knows what that is.

No, for sure. It's like when I, when you say balance, I think of like percentages. And it's just like it's so hard to think of that in terms of percentage. I think of it as a whole in regards to like with my music and with my music and with my family and with my beliefs and things like that. And, you know, what am I called to and am I being faithful in that regard? That's how I kind of measure success, what I'm doing, motherhood, artistry, and trying to make all of that makes sense. You know, my kids come with me to all of our tour dates on the road. They're on the tour bus and their bunks, you know, like they come.

You're doing what I dreamt of the family band. Right. And so it's just like, I'm so blessed. Like I am honestly living the dream. But I don't think there's like a hardcore way to say, okay, 60, you know, percent of the time, like be here and do that. Especially not with your lifestyle. You just can't. Yeah, it's hard. I definitely keep them first.

I keep priority of them first and foremost. And I want to be a very present mother for them. That's very important to me for them to say, mom, you know, when they get older, mom was here, even though she had all this going on. And it's very admirable. But I get to live both, and it's very, very cool. That is so fun. That's so fun to look back on for kids.

I was just touring with my mom and dad. Yeah. On stage. On stage. Yeah, my five-year-old sings, I hope. What does she say? I think she said, and then I hope. She said something else besides cheats because she didn't know that was like the word.

It was so. That's adorable. Funny, though. It's the cutest thing. Is she the oldest? She is the oldest. She just turned five. Five, three, and almost two.

Oh my gosh. How do you look so refreshed? Make up. I doubt it. I can see sure. Make up. Good lights in the room. Yeah, the lighting is great in here, but that's for me.

It's fantastic. That's for me, not you. That's so cool. Yeah, I feel like that's, that would be the dream. I mean, you're literally living what you've always dreamt of. That's fantastic. Yeah, that is fantastic. Now you have new music coming out within the next month.

Tell me about it. Your new single, The Easy Part. You said it feels like a distant cousin to us. I hope. What does that mean? That's funny. It kind of does. I mean, they're both, you know, breakup songs about not being done well by, you know, your significant other, a male in some regard. And so, yeah, when we wrote that song, it felt natural. It was like a close cousin to I hope. But, yeah, new music this year, I think several different single rollouts is like the plan through the year more often. Yeah.

And then hopefully, hopefully an album towards the end of the year. That's awesome. Do you feel like your writing process has changed? Like, although you're still doing like a breakup song because obviously those work for you. But the song like the easy part, you said it feels like quieter and heavier and more reflective. Is that just where you're at in life of like songwriting process or what? Songwriting process is interesting because it's like you're digging from the past and then you're like digging from the present and then sometimes you're digging from the future. So it's,

it's very, you never know what you're going to come out with, honestly, like what the mood is going to be. If you're going to get something that's worth anything, if you're going to get something that's like, this will never see the light of day. Right. So it's a very interesting process. I personally like to chase after, like I'm like a melody person in the room. Yeah. And I'm a detailed person on lyrics and stuff like that. But melodies, so the way that things sound and, you know, are presented melodically in the verses and in the choruses. You know, those are things that I really like to chase when I'm writing. So I don't know.

You never know what you're going to get when you're in the room. So Kimby digging up things from the past and kind of talking about those emotions there and then things in the present or the future. I've written four songs. Oh, fun. But the one that I wrote, the last one, same kind of thing where everybody heard the song I wrote. It's called Lonely in Love.

And it was everyone assuming. to it was about my last relationship, but really it wasn't. Yeah. Everyone just assumed like, oh, she was a blah, blah, and I'm like, you got the wrong guy. Yeah. That's kind of fun, though, because you're like, you don't know where it's coming from, but you can relate to it. For sure.

That actually goes back to why I just don't pay attention to perception that much because a lot of the times it's inaccurate. So that's why. And it can mean something different to every different person. Right. And that's another part of it. I actually heard, I think I heard John Mayer say this. He was like, what did he say?

He said, I will never tell people who my songs are about. Because a lot of people go, who's this about? Who's this about? You know, slow burning. All the amazing songs that he has. He's like one of my favorites too. But he's like, I will never tell somebody who I wrote a song about because it erases them putting their own story to the song. Yeah.

And I was like, yes. So what right now, like you've, you haven't written an album yet or you're working on it? We're working on it. We're working on it. We're collecting songs. What does a normal day look like for you? Or is it just different every day? It's different all the time.

So right now we've been in Texas more so rather than Nashville. Okay. So we're there with the kids. Cade has lots of, we have lots of animals. We have cows. We have horses, all the things. We live on like 25 acres in Texas. You are living my dream.

Come over. Don't say that. I will. We'll get you on a horse. I'll find you. We'll get you go, girl. But yes, we're over there. And it's been so much fun.

I actually just built a whole studio in Texas so that I'm able to record over there as well. So really excited about that. I'll probably cut a lot of like these new projects over there. Cool. That's so like that's so cool. Literally got a tiny house. Got a tiny house off a Facebook marketplace.

No. Yeah. Now I had to look and make sure no scams. Okay. Yeah. You got a tiny house. What do you mean? Yeah.

So like I went. I was just like what what kind of structure do I want for this studio? You know? I homeschool my oldest. so we do like homeschool three times a week. Dang. So I wanted to place outside of the house to be able to like homeschool her

so that she can concentrate from the other kids. So I literally got this like 14 by 32 foot tiny house in the back. I like did it black and the door is like, you know, nice wood brown with like these creamy colored shutters. Very fun to like decorate and stuff. And then inside is like my homeschool corner. And then there's a separate room over to the left that is studio. So I just got the studio speakers.

and the studio microphone and the Mac laptop and like the whole setup. And I'm about to hang up some like really fun like frames, pictures of like inspo. There's like Prince, Whitney Houston, Johnny Cash, old picture of Dolly. Like just just gathering all the awesome people. And so anyways,

that'll be really fun to do there. You would have liked my old house. I had a room in my old house of like pictures like that. It was a dark room. I had a wooden, wooden everything in a black room. And it was my dining room. And I had old school pictures.

of certain rock and roll and country people all over and I just love it. It was my favorite room in the house. How fun. You live a really cool life. It's very fun. Yeah. Very cool. Okay. I usually finish off the podcast with a confession, something embarrassing that you've never told before. Okay. Do you have one in mind? I was actually talking to, well, I told like one person. So in regards to being a public figure, that equals nobody to me. Right. So she was getting onto me today while I was filming content about the way that I clear my throat. Oh. But you know what?

It's just like when you have dairy, like right before, and I need to sing. I don't know why I did this to myself, but I go to drink that had like heavy cream and milk and like every possible sugar and everything that is flemy for your throat. You're just slamming milk? I just like, I just clear my throat. No, it was in coffee. Oh, okay. But I don't like coffee.

Heavy cup of cream. Okay. Yeah. I thought you like just poured yourself like raw. Crame milk and sugar. I was like, we get your cows. Yeah,

yeah. We're in the Great Depression. No. Yes, but my, I clear my throat really hard. So, like I'll typically,

like, clear it like, like, but it'll go really, really hard and it'll sound like it's like flapping because there's just like, there's just like, mucus on the cords,

I guess. That's a cute way to say. That's like when I have a panic attack. Poneke attack. Yeah, I wanted to make it. Yeah. Muc is just a little hard.

Yeah. I still yelled, ew in your face, though. You're like, you cuss. I was like, ow! Sorry. That's okay. But that's something that a lot of people don't know, but I do it very regularly. And it does catch people off guard every time that I'm in the midst of doing it.

Every time without fail. And it's like so natural to you. Yes. But it's very loud and odd. Oh. It is. So that's something. And then another thing is like, I sucked my thumb until like the age of probably like, probably like,

14. No. Yeah. 13 or 14. Yeah. My father, my father never had me break the habit. It was like, Jenny's a little girl forever. Meanwhile, my teeth were literally, yeah, touching my nose, basically. Oh my gosh. What did you have to do for them? They look beautiful. I, well, first they had to put like this little fence device on top of my mouth so that the thumb couldn't like slip to the roof of your mouth. Like the top of the roof of my mouth is like literally so curved up because my thumb was like, yeah, 14 years will do it. Deforming year. Yeah, your skeletal systems like, what the- I'm not trying to shame you, sorry.

I'm like, very judgmental right now. No. I'm like, well, I thought you were going to say four. No, you should chain me on that because that's ridiculous. Wow. Yeah, eighth grade. And then I had braces for like two years. They had to take out two adult teeth. So on the side.

So like canines, I don't have them. I don't have any like pointy teeth, even though I think they're so pretty. But they took those out and then I had to wear bands and literally like, pull your teeth down. Put them bands and just pull your teeth down. and just pull your teeth back to connect them. And then they all just kind of like straightened out. And so two years into high school, I was like,

I'm a new woman. I was never shy like, now I'm so happy. Yeah, your teeth are beautiful. Thank you. Wow. Thank you. Well, that's because I covered up my canines. Did you?

Yeah, I had really pointy teeth. And I thought they were cool when it was like the time of the twilight. And I was like, yeah, same. And then I got bullied online when I was. What? For your teeth? Yeah. For your K-Nine?

For my teeth in general. And then I, that was like my first taste of like, I was like, ooh, I can't let that go too far because I fixed my teeth. And then I was like, what's next? Yeah, of course. And then you got to keep yourself and check with that. Everybody thinks I've gotten a nose job. I haven't got an upper blith. But that's because somebody told me I had a lazy.

I got to stop. Okay. My confession is that I. Oh, my Caitlin. I know that I'm going to talk off camera. I know. I'm getting better. You're stunning.

Beautiful. Thank you. So are you. Okay. That's my confession. That's pretty good. That's a good one. Actually, one of my favorites because usually people tell me about how they poop their pants.

And I'm like, got it. But sucking your thumb to 14 is a real, like, humbling. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one for you. Thank you for you for sharing with everybody. Excited for your new music. Thank you. And where can everybody find you?

Instagram, TikTok nowadays. All the platforms. My website, gabbyberry.com. Everything of mine, though, is verified. So that's the only stuff that I have. I'm back to spam. Find a lot of comments on my page. It's like, hello, thank you so much for being a fan.

Can you DM me because I'm needing some bunny? Yes. And I'm like, no, that's not me. No, no, no, don't do that. Why are the robots on my page saying like, you're going to go to the bathroom after you watch my stories? Oh, my gosh. That's what happens.

What is going on? You get like southern, like sweet ones. Like, DM me, I need some money. I get like raunchy weird people that are a little. Yeah, I don't know what it is. You know, no. Anyways, thank you so much. That was a nice little combo.

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