Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape (Couples) Therapy: Clayton & Susie Unfiltered

Episode Date: April 7, 2022

As the drama of Clayton’s season has (mostly) settled, it’s time for another conversation with our former Bachelor and this time, his now girlfriend Susie is joining! Clayton’s frown has truly turned upside down since the last time he was on the pod, and today’s convo is filled with fart jokes, dark humor, and a behind the scenes look at the couple in real life. Clayton leaks Susie’s (not so cute) nickname, they each tell a confession, and we get to hear a hilarious story of what happened before Susie’s family knew they had reunited after the show. And to top it all off, Clayton ends the pod by teeing up Jason’s April Fools prank. Get ready to fall in love with Claysie. GOMACRO - Try all of their delicious flavors by going to gomacro.com and using promo code VINE for 30% off plus free shipping on all orders over $50! PROGRESSIVE - Get a quote today at Progressive.com. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Clayton and Susie, a.k.a. Clacey. Actually, aka Slimy Seuss, you'll see. Now that this season is behind us and all the drama that came with it, I thought it was a good time to really get to know this couple. Their challenges, exciting things that are coming up for them. I really love these two. I can't wait for you to hear just how they are together. It's really sweet. And we learn a lot about them, actually. So enjoy Clayton and Susie. Hi, cuties. Hi. Hi. Hi, how are you guys? Good. How are you? Oh, you know. Susie was pranking me already.

Well, yeah, it's April Fools. What do you expect? You got to keep your head on a swivel. Yeah, she sent me a website, but my phone saved me. What did she try and do? Do we have it recorded? What is it? It's so bad. It's the picture of the guy that he's sitting on the bed and he's fully nude and he's got a very large object. Yes, I know what you're speaking of. My phone caught it in between. I clicked the link and it said this,

this link could contain like obscene. So I was like, oh, I was like, I'm not opening that. But I did try my phone save me. That's amazing. I, when I was filming Katie's season of The Bachelorette, I pulled the best prank on Jason. And it was so funny because I really like premeditated it where I gave him a nude, like I sent a nude two days before.

And so that on April Fools, I had all of his friends and family message him at the same time being like, I can't believe you posted that. And like, what, oh my God, that story. I saw that for you did. He was. I saw him freak out. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. They texted him saying, why would you post that about you, right? Yeah, I was. That was hilarious. He freaked out. Yes. That was in 10. He thought he somehow posted that nude of me.

And he was like, what? And I've never, like, he's usually here at all times. And I've never seen him freak out like that. And it was so much fun. So all today, he's like, I'm staying away from you. So I haven't even like seen him today. And I've been trying to think, I'm like, nothing will talk that. And then we had an interview that was supposed to be today with like E-Talk Canada.

And I was like, oh, hell, no, I'm not falling for that. You guys are going to do something where I made it be moved to Monday just so I didn't have to get tricked. Yeah. At that point, you can't, you can't do it. it's on this day or it's no day you can't do it no you cannot trust anyone on april so thank you for trusting me with this podcast today yeah i'm on edge yeah i'm on edge i'm actually not trusting i mean i can't you can i'll try but you'd be like well that's probably a joke but i do want to thank you guys for joining me as a couple because clayton obviously the last

time we spoke you weren't in the best uh headspace there are we better oh and times better for the most part, yeah, 10 times better. Yeah. I mean, 10 times better for the most part is I'll take it. Yeah. I remember, Susie, I remember you saying you didn't know how people would react to you two coming out as a couple. So how has the reaction been? It's been mixed, but, you know, we do have a lot of support. From the right people.

And for that, we're, yeah, we're grateful. And it's, those are the people that are super sweet and cheering us on. But, yeah, sometimes there's the loud ones that are not as supportive, but that's okay. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you have to really prove yourself to Bachelor Nation before they can be supportive. I know it took me a couple of years. So you'll get there. I mean, the truth is you don't have to prove anything to anyone and you can just enjoy the support that you're getting. And over time, people will be like, actually, they are really cute together because you guys are. I love following the two of you on all social media. And of course, this is a podcast. So I have to ask all the questions. I saw you tweeted it's official my therapist knows the tea I mean my therapist has always known the tea with me but what is the tea we can tweet and not tell us the tea is everything knows the scoop you know more than anybody else more than Clayton knows probably oh yeah my therapist knows more than my family knows yeah hold on now do I need to do I need to make a call I'm going to have to hold that therapist hostage and be like I need to know what you know what what what what Red flags, am I not aware of? No, there's a lot of red flags, but they're all mine, so don't worry.

Well, there you go. I mean, tell me your number one red flag about yourself, and I'll tell you mine. Oh, me? Okay, well, we and Clayton, both eyes just looked at me. I mean, I love this. I'm just going to sit back. I'm not a part of this. Let's go.

You know me. I will admit that I am a little bit. Clayton's face is killing me right now. I love this. I love this. I think I'm a little bit, well, I'm very stubborn. And then with that, maybe a little self-righteous sometimes. Get it, girl. A little, a little.

Just come out with it. Just let it. It feels good to let it out, doesn't it? That's feel good, doesn't it? I mean, that's okay. That's one, you're self-aware, which I always say is a good thing. But I love when people can say what, like, things they need to work on. I have like 80 red flags, but I have like 200 green ones.

So, you know, there's that too. But I always like when people can flaws, we all have them and we all have things that we need to work on. And the fact that you can admit that on a podcast and to yourself and to Clayton is amazing. Clayton, go ahead with your red flags. I mean, honestly, I feel like most people have just already answered them for me. They've been aired out. We want to hear it from you. Okay.

Like actually legitimate red flags. I would say I've gotten better with it. I would also say I am stubborn. That is something that I think both of us realize. So we've both had that discussion or like we both realize we're this way. So we just like keep that in mind as we approach every conversation. Yeah. Other than that, I guess maybe I've gotten better with it.

I'd say probably like being too concerned with what with trying to like make people around me happy, which I do with my loved ones, but I was trying to make people happy that really don't matter. They don't really have a big impact on my life. And that would take it out of me. That would drain me emotionally and put me in a bad mood.

And so I was giving too much weight to people that really don't matter in my life. So I think that's a red flag only because, yeah, it's like you don't want people to have that kind of pull on you. But I'm getting away from that. I'm actually in a much better headspace and realizing like I don't care anymore about a lot of what's being said.

because it's not being said by the people closest to me. I love that. And I love that you have had a, like, aha moment about that because I knew you would. As soon as it's all over and you're not in that environment and you can, like, move forward with all the, like, positive things and people who support you and have your back and know what's going on,

you then are, like, removed from the thick of it and from sitting in what everybody's saying. And you're like, oh, wait, I'm around the people that matter. And I'm actually happy. And it can change your whole perspective. So I love that. My red flag is also being stubborn. I would like to find anyone who's not stubborn.

Like, I feel like everyone in the world can be stubborn. And that is really hard in relationships because Jason is also stubborn. And we have to, you know, same thing. Realize that when we approach any argument or conversation. Like, sometimes we have to be like, neither one of us is going to win here. Let's just walk away. Yeah. Yeah.

We've had those talks. Yeah. But I do think there's a part. It's rooted in confidence, I think, a lot of times with stubbornness, which isn't necessarily bad thing because you're just, you realize that the reason why I'm stubborn is because I'm passionate because I'm confident in the way that I think about this particular topic. So we both have realized that stubbornness is not a bad quality to have. It's just a matter of when do you want to stand on that hill and fight to the death or when do you want to back

off. And most times you back off because you realize it's not worth getting into a major argument over. And it's totally okay to have different perspectives of something and don't agree on something. That's okay too. You don't have to agree on everything. And as long as you don't marinate in that, you can move forward quickly. Right. Yeah, I know. I feel like we're in a therapy set. I know.

This feels really good. Sometimes we do episodes that are great therapy, so this can be a great therapy episode for you because don't change it. I don't care what day it is right now. Okay, don't all of a sudden turn it on us. I don't want the couples therapy session from hell. I've already had another thing. No, no, no.

We won't do that. This is going to be fun. I'm not even going to talk about after the final roles. we're just going to have fun and we're going to focus on where you guys are at now and it's going to be just a really fun time. I was pulling into my garage today and I looked at my friend and manager and everything in my life. I looked at her and I went, I truly don't know what day it is today. Like you could tell me it's Tuesday or a Saturday. Like I have no idea. She was like, it's Friday. I was like, wow, no idea. Do you guys ever get like that because

you've lived in this bubble world for so long that you come out of it and you like are trying to adjust to real life after being in the bachelor bubble and you're like where am i what day is it why isn't anyone handing me a drink it's 10 a m do you get like that we definitely have had those days especially when we would be secretly meeting up before the show aired yeah and i think that just like spilled into the rest of my life where i just never really knew the day the date my schedule really anything that was happening that's so hard it's like you you've just gone from a world where you'd never know what time it is like traveling you're not sleeping and then you just are like oh and now I'm home and what am I doing it is yeah for me especially too

I for the last six months of my life I was basically kind of told where to go what to do at what points and then all of a sudden now yeah now I'm scheduling Zoom meetings on my own I'm having I've had a bunch of interviews this week for work and such and so I for me it's exciting like I'm getting back into that, but I was like, wow, like, you really had a nice little, like, people were kind of holding your hand, taking you places. It's not like, time to be a big boy again and go back and into the real world. And I just told Suez that, I was like, man, I'm like, I'm back in the real world for real now. Like, now I feel it.

I am so independent, but I totally got used to people telling me where to go, where to be that I, like, surrender to that. And I'm like, okay, just I'll sleep until you're telling me to get up and, like, tell me where to go. And then when I came out of it, I was like, I'd miss meetings. I would miss. So what do you think? I'm like, well, nobody's telling me what to do. It's like, but then you realize it's like empowering to actually do things yourself.

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I'm just like really dwelling on your tweets right now, Susie, because you're funny and I want to dig into them. But you also tweeted, I have so many dark jokes about our... relationship that I would love to tweet but I don't think bachelor nation is ready for Clayton and my sense of humor um hi I'm ready I love a dark sense of humor give me some kind of joke that you think bachelor nation couldn't handle because man I think they could okay well that day I was gonna tweet out I was with Clayton and I was like I just want to like we just roast each other pretty much all the time and usually very inappropriate and just yeah we just joke around a lot. And I think that day I made a joke of like, Clayton, you're going to find

yourself on Paradise this summer, basically. And I was about to tweet out and be like, who wants to take bets if you're going to see Clayton on the sand this summer? And I was like, they're not going to appreciate that. They're going to be like, oh, look, they're already on the rocks. They take things very seriously, don't they? I was already planning. I was like, my DM was about to be flooded. Like, you POS, we knew it wasn't going to last long. You deserve this rotten hell. Like I was just, I told him, like, this is going to go south for me. Like, I'm going to get hit for him. But that's when you've got to get, be in on the joke, you know?

Like, they're all going to be deep diving and you guys are sitting back laughing and being like, I'm in on the joke. I know I'm not going to paradise. That's, it's a joke. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Clayton's like, well, maybe I am. Listen, I just, my whole thing is, I'm like, if I'm joking with people, they better be able to take it back. and you better be able to handle it if you can dish it out.

Yeah. And I just think, I just realized I was like, I don't think this will be received where it'll be handed, handed back to us with that same fun spirit. I'm going to get pulled off about a million times of my DMs. And I said, as soon as you can post it, I said, but honestly, I said, I feel like this is just going to be, this isn't going to be what we thought it was. Oh, yeah, I was, I was testing the waters with that tweet. I was like, okay, like, what is the, what is this response going to be?

Are people going to be like, yeah, give it to. let's hear it or are people going to be like yeah keep it to yourselves we're uncomfortable i mean that's one of my favorite pastimes is making people uncomfortable online so we've already done that apparently we've really good at it yeah with our pictures yeah with your pictures people are getting uncomfortable well so i don't know if you saw the line like right after afr and then we posted both posted a video of like our time together uh in the happy couple weekends so there's a video but then there was pictures put in at the end And we thought it was hilarious.

One of the pictures was her sitting on the toilet peeing, and I was sitting there and it was a picture, like, literally taken by a producer. And so, like, there were three people in the room. Like, I was like, I'm just, I'm just peeing. Yeah, it's just the number one, guys. They didn't like it. They didn't like that, which, like, fair enough. The other one was, uh, she was sitting on top of me and, like, choking me.

And I was like, I was making a face. But people think that. Yeah. people are like that's gross we don't want to see that i was like first off like we weren't doing anything we're joking like we're just sitting there it was innocent as it could be i nothing was happening although like yeah i guess people thought in a picture like well they're showing us behind the scenes like in the bedroom i was like this is oh i was like i would not i'm like no that's it's but i will say my my grandma apparently saw it and was kind of

it wasn't i wasn't a big fan of that one so oh grandma we are so sorry oh my gosh if If my grandma was alive and saw my social media, she would be like, who is this child? What have we done to her? Oh, my gosh. And that's what people are going to end up loving about you, too, is your goofy sense of humor and your little twisted sense of humor. I personally love it. And I think people start to realize who you really are because they think they know you,

obviously, from this show. And then they realize, like, oh, we get to see their goofy side and their fun side and their loving side and then, like, thriving in a relationship. And all of a sudden, it just takes a little, you know, shift. in their brain to turn around and be like, I think I like them. Yeah, I hope so. I know you mentioned, or we talked about this before, where it was kind of like, yeah, like what is seen as a part of who I am, but there's so much more to it.

And what I think is funny when you say that, I've gotten a lot of messages from people who are like, well, you certainly portrayed yourself as a lady on the show, but now seeing this. And I'm like, I'm like, I was myself the whole time. Like, they showed what they showed. Like, they just didn't show me doing this on the show. But, like, I was there. If they would have put an audio mic down by her low extremities,

they would have heard a whole ton of fart noises, and they would have realized. No, that is not even true. She's a little bit of a little farther. A little cutesy. That's Clayton. That's Clayton. I didn't say it wasn't on me.

I didn't say it wasn't me. I'm not going to lie. I was on, like, some earpieces sometimes, and I know about your farts. there we go who's there we go Clayton

because everyone talked about the guy's worst farts and whoever ate the most protein had the worst farts and so it was like a blessing

and a curse for you hold on I never fart on your muscle come on I don't lie I never fart on the show but I anything that I did

I had to go take bathroom breaks but I took that away from everybody so unless somebody went into the bathroom afterwards and got a whiff just to see how it's found

were you wearing your mic oh oh you're saying they heard it? Oh, from... No, I said I had earpieces in, but that was just me hearing people talk about other guys' hearts. If they were listening to me going to the bathroom, I feel violated right now. Nobody wants to listen to that. I thought we were talking about a hard turn. No, I heard guys talking about how bad guys, some other guys' farts were, and I swear

your name was in there, but you didn't have, you just took fart walks when you had to go do that. Yeah, I never was around people. I have, I have courtesy. Susie doesn't, but I do. Love it. That is some real relatable shit right there, guys. I love it. You're ridiculous right now. First of all, how to Jay in Arizona? It took me like two years to get comfortable like that in front of Jason. And I'm like a very like open person and I like, I will talk about anything, do anything. And with Jason because he was the one that was like, ew. And I was like, oh, well, I guess I'm going to take fart walks all the time. Okay. And now I'm like, whatever. But how it took you guys pretty quick to be. comfortable with each other. Clayton was always literally like, please fart because once you fart, I can fart freely. And I was like, no, I'm not going to fart in front of you. As soon as we open the communication, we both have regrets now, I think. So, listen, go ahead. No regrets. I have no regrets. I just, I look, I can be free now. Yeah, no regrets. Listen, my whole thought was,

is that in a relationship there comes a point where like you poop in front of somebody it happens you can't if you go the distance i mean my dad hasn't done that yet but my dad took it a step further and just freaking left would leave the door open growing up and he's just like hey walk by reading the newspaper i got to take my i got to take my dad down a few notches you got like his ego went through the roof i was going to say your dad got quite the um i don't want to say edit because it's probably truly who he is he really people people loved him and it was amazing because he had this duality about him that he was able to be like so like what the hell are you doing but also so warm at the same time and it was did I tell you I ran into your parents in the elevator the night of the finale the first finale and I just wanted to give them the biggest hug because they looked so like deer and headlights like what are we doing what is going on what are they going to do next and I just looked at them in the elevator and I was like um I'm Caitlin and they're like well yeah I thought I recognized you and I was like I just want you you know that like you did a really good job raising Clayton and you guys were great on TV and

everybody loves you and I think what's trending right now is like Clayton's dad for The Bachelor. No offense to your mom. They were so cute though. So they it was funny because my mom did tell me that right after she saw you and she was star-struck because you were with, I think you were with Michelle and Claire maybe. Yes. Yeah. Okay. And so they, my mom, she's like, I was just so awkward. I didn't know what to say, but she knew that, I was kind of going through it. That day, I was in a little bit of a rut. Yeah. And so they had just talked to me and my mom calls me back and she's like, you will never guess who I just met. I was a little awkward. She just went off and I'm just saying like, you're so excited, so happy. I'm like, mom, like, I was happy for her

in a way, but I was also like, you know I'm like not in this great mood. She just had that moment. She's like, you'll never believe what I was just in the elevator with. She had her moment. She had the same moment with Jessie, too, which first met Jesse. That's so cute. I'm like, I kind of did when I met Jesse too because I watched his season of The Bachelor and then I always liked him on Good Morning America and I've always just thought he was like a good looking nice guy and when I met him I was like oh you're the same way in person like he's still looking at so nice. Yeah yeah my parents come in and all of a sudden I dropped this bomb on then what's happening and then all of a sudden Jesse comes in she just completely forgets

all what's happening. He's like Jesse I was like read the room mom what's going on here read your audience we got to get back in the zone here I'm freaking out that's so funny speaking of toots no I'm just kidding that's not my time I was going to say speaking of social media but we kind of got off topic you've been doing pizza reviews Clayton and did you get that inspiration from Barstall because we always do that too uh no no I was getting it from my DMs people just kept so I have I got a TikTok because they were like they told me like Clayton you'd have more of the social media presence you got a TikTok so they got a TikTok and so I got a TikTok and so I thought, all right, I'm going to just post fitness workouts because that's just, I'm like,

that's what I like. I'm big into fitness. And all of a sudden I started getting flooded on in my, all my messages were all simply, you should do a pizza review, you should do a pizza of you. And they just kept flooding my comments with it. And then it was like, hey, great workout. You don't be great if you had a slice of pizza off camera that you start eating. And it just kept being that.

It kept being like in my DMs. And so I thought it was fun. I was talking to Susie. I was like, you know what? Like, I'm just going to lay into this. I think it's hilarious. I also love pizza. so I'll review pizza for sure

like that sounds fun to me Of course yeah people are like Oh you're not you're not barstool sports I was like I never claimed to me I'm just literally having fun with it because We do it all the time We always do pizza reviews I think it's like such a funny fun thing to do

Because one who doesn't like pizza And it's fun to give a review And I think it's I like seeing you do those I think it's fun Yeah honestly for me It's any excuse to eat pizza I'm in So that's the excuse to have now I feel that pizza oh my gosh

I'm like, I was just in Colorado and I literally ate like spaghetti and then I'd go to for lunch on the hill and eat like chicken tenders and then go out for dinner and eat everything possible, which I love doing. But I'm also going to Mexico in three and a half weeks. So now I'm like, okay, you guys, get me on your fitness program because you guys are both into fitness. And do you guys work out together because I can't work out with my significant other ever, whether that's Jason or my exes. I just can't do it. Yeah. we went to the gym together but Clayton is like super I'm like I'm over here and I'm like hey let's let's wait and he's like focused in and I'm like I like take it personal and I'm like yeah

I don't think we'll be working out together again but okay hold on hold on hold on that's we did and then we left and then we left and we talked about it later and he was like yeah it was so great we like worked out together and I was like I'm sorry I felt neglected the entire time because I didn't talk because there's no time for talking it's all about getting the work in minimal rest periods, high intensity. And she was doing it with me. She crushed the workout. That's great.

But I can't, it's hilarious because I'm like, she wants to go to a little slower pace and have fun. There's literally we're at a point where we're like stretching in the gym. And she's over there doing, do you know the cry baby move when you're on the ground and you're like hit the ground and you're like popping your butt? She's over here doing the full on cry baby and the stretching area. People are sitting around us and I'm just staring at her.

Did you have wop blaring in your ear? because I do that too. Yeah. Oh, I have like a very dirty playlist that I listen to. Well, you can't help it then. I can't help it, literally.

Yeah. You don't pop your booty? You listen to this? She's popping booty in the gym and I'm over here trying to keep you serious. And I'm like, why are you, why don't you just want to have fun with me? Why do you not want to enjoy this moment?

Listen, I just am very efficient. I'm very efficient with my time. I look at like an hour a day. I'm locked. in and then afterwards I'm cool I can chill we have plenty of fun afterwards the gym's just like my place to get rid of stress to just really lock in and I don't but I guess maybe that's not great to do a partner workout with well it's hard I like to be in this out too I get it everyone has

their own thing at the gym but I mean other than us seeing you know you're what you do outside of that one hour in the gym we see you on social media doing your lip syncing tic talks and all that but other than the glimpses of social media how has life been together as a couple because obviously you don't live together but has it been different than what you're anticipating better what are challenges that you've had to go through what is life like that we don't see so far better for me than i thought not that i thought it was going to be bad but it was hard at the well the whole thing was tough but towards the end it was just dark for it was like dark days for both of us because we knew that it wasn't going to be like celebrated

for us to be together necessarily and yeah it just was heavy and it was just a lot like we were just going through a tough time like individually but then we were together and and we're grateful that we were together for that but we both were kind of just like we've got to get through this shit and get on the other side and see what this is going to be like and I told Clayton so many times I'm literally we're apart right now but we're about to be together in like a week or so and I'm probably so annoying. I FaceTime him like all the time and I'm like I miss you so I'm like confused. I'm like I literally miss you so much and I'm like I miss you more than I've ever missed you before. So I think it's been a lot better. Yeah.

I'm like going to cry but no I'm not but that's really that's really sweet because I just know so many couples that have come out of this show including what I've gone through myself coming out a bit. And the dark days are sometimes afterwards and trying to relive all of those moments. And then once you're finally together, you're kind of like, do I even know you? And you did this and you did this. And that can really take over the relationship rather than being like fresh, clean slate. Let's start our foundation now and move forward. So I love hearing that because if it's, you know, the dark days are in your past and you guys miss each other and you're just, like, excited for the future.

I think that's the best news ever. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely been. I think, I said, you got that song in my head now. I said the dark days. I was thinking, dark days are over. I know. Is it the dog days?

I thought it was dark days. I'm looking this up right now, but you don't go on. It is dog days. There you go. I didn't know. So I've been singing that wrong the entire time, and no one's my friend. That's so funny, but that made sense that you said the dark days are over that all really added up.

Well, I have been completely crushing Adele's credibility by just singing the song lyrics, and I want to apologize to her personally, but she'll never see this, but. Nope, you know what, now that makes sense. We're singing different songs. Different songs are playing in my head. A lot of different stuff's playing in on my head. I was thinking this song. Oh, wait.

Oh, you're talking about something else? Yeah. Oh, is that what you're talking about? Yeah. That's not Adel. That one. Now you're saying it's dark days and that it's Adel, it's dog days and that it's Adel. It's dog days and it's Florence and the machine.

So you don't have to worry about Adele. She's not going to listen to this. Yes, she's definitely not listening to it now. I'm just disrespecting the entire music industry at this point. I'm just glad I taught you something today because that is a lesson that you needed to learn. Just add it to the list. All right, let's talk about one of my favorite things, snacks. Really does eating count as a hobby because I'm into it.

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it's been so much better. For one, when we were out and about right after the show, we went straight back to Virginia Beach. And the reception in person is incredible. Everyone is so nice and everyone is so just giving so much grace and saying, we're so happy for you all. We see that, you know, no one's perfect. You guys did what you did. But you guys seem so great together. And I think that's what we've noticed. And I've literally of all the interactions I've had in person. I've had one person tell me they don't like me. Other than that, thousands of other interactions, like, hey, you went through a lot. But I think people kind of realize like, we're not. not going to really judge you based off of what you did in a polyamorous environment, for lack

and better words, versus now. Like, that's not necessarily you. Like, yes, you screwed up. Yes, I made a ton of mistakes. Like, yes, I did not do a good job in that environment. But, like, that's not who I am with the person from here on out. And so I think that's where we're seeing is, like, we're now being judged based off of the couple that we are on the outside of everything. And it's, it's been great. Yeah. I mean, it's honestly, we've loved it. We've, we obviously know so much about each other. And because we went through all that turmoil emotionally, we learned so much about each other in these last four to five months where it's like we walked off the show having idea who we were. Yeah. But we really know each other now. Oh, yeah. I mean, and that's where the

scary part comes in because you either have to totally accept who each other is and what has happened and you can hang on to bad things or you can, you know, start fresh. And I think that sounds like that's what you guys are doing and you're embracing like, you know, people's opinions, of course, but like you said, the right people matter that are supporting you. How did your families react to you two being together? Were they just so happy for you guys? Yeah, I think both of it. Well, yeah, I can speak for my family for sure. My parents were just really supportive. They loved Clayton when they met him. They thought he was great. They thought he was one of the most genuine guys that they've ever met and they just yeah they they loved them they adored him and

i came back from iceland and i was literally on face time with clayton and i was like hey here he is and they were like wait a second this is weird you aren't together but i mean we pretty much we were in communication as human beings as friends at that point before anything else um and even it's so funny because i didn't tell my siblings that we were together until i told brother just before the finale, but he face-time Clayton, like the day after I got back. And I was like, yeah, we're just cool. Like, we're on good terms, but we're not together. And, and then we ended up getting together, but I didn't tell anybody because we didn't know, we didn't know what was going to happen. And we were just, I told my parents, obviously, but. I kind of want to share that

funny story speaking to your brother. I think it's hilarious. So, oh my gosh, yes. So he didn't know that we were together in one of the happy couple weekends. She, he called her. And of course, she's picking up. She's like, it's my brother. And, like, I'm going to hop on this call real quick because I got to make, I'm sure he's probably suspicious where I might be at because she was telling her family that she was, I don't know exactly what the excuse was.

But he called and he, and he's like, so he's like, yeah, I was watching the show. And he's like, Clayton, he's like, I'm so broken. And he was like making fun of that. And I'm sitting right next to her. And he's like, poor guy. He's like, poor guy, but he's, like, kind of ribbing me for it. And I'm just sitting there and obviously can't say anything because he doesn't know that we're together. Wow, good for you guys for keeping that a secret.

That's tough, especially with family. But that's so, were you in a place where you could laugh or were you like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like muting it. And we would be like, we were dying laughing because my brother and his wife, they'd had a few drinks. And they called me and they're like, they were like, they were like, oh, you're probably with Clayton right now. And I was like, oh, yeah, I probably am. like joking back and forth

and then they're both like doing impersonations of Clayton just like ripping him and we were I would like mute it and we were like we had like tears coming out of our face you were laughing so hard so funny yeah I think that a secret

but that's that which is also funny because when I was with Sean from the show he kept it a secret from like all of his family and friends and that's what I was afraid of is what happened is they would start bashing me because they were like well if he was with her like we would know so they'd be like oh what she did was disgusting and blah blah because they

were just trying to make him feel better but that like fueled him he was yeah it was my family even thinks that oh no so I'm glad that you can laugh about that yeah my brother loves clayton too and my brother loved you on him on Michelle season too he loved the episode where the guys did the sleepover he was like I saw Clayton like jumping on a bed in the background and I was like yeah like he was watching it before he knew or while he knew I was on the show and he's like, oh, yeah, I think you're going to like this guy. He's like a total goofball. And I was like, oh, that's cool.

And my brother loves them now, too. That's awesome. I love that. That's so fun to like just, you know, get along so well with each other's families and be able to have that. Because, wait, wait, Clayton, you move to Scottsdale? Well, so I did from the point of like the end of the bachelor. I moved in with my brother Nate.

Nasty Nate is, as I've referenced him multiple times. And he's going to kill me at this point. the more times I keep saying that, but I moved in for like the three months just because I was going back and forth between L.A., so I thought, okay, I'm going to just be closer. It's an hour of flight. It makes it way easier on me. And, yeah, just depending on what happened with everything going on, I was like, this is just a better spot. I want to get out of Missouri. Yeah. So I'm here currently, but it's, yeah, it's great back to the point of like families loving each other. I've hopped on many FaceTime since. And Susie and Native Matt, and now Susie has her own nickname as well.

nasty Nate and slimy Sue. Oh, tell me more. Why is he nasty Nate from like, is he the one that rumored slid into people's DMs or is that just all the name that you've... That was Pat the rat. You know, we all got names here. So Pat, Pat slid in,

but that was very cordial from what I heard. It was very nice and he was just, yeah, he was just talking, I think he was telling Teddy like, hey, I think you've done a great job or whatever. It was apparently very innocent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. According to him, I haven't heard from the source from Teddy.

but yeah so it's no i mean it's it's it's been obviously fun just to watch all that and then like yeah they've all have a great relationship now with susie and eventually we'll all get together and be all all the boys and susy just wanted the boys do you think i'm going to just gloss over the fact that you call her slimy sue and not tell me what there's no reason i don't even well if there is a reason then i don't want to know it but like we just wanted to include it to me we just wanted to include her like you know they give a nickname it's a personal touch it makes you feel hey i've got nicknames for everybody and my nickname in jason's family is three bottle bristow because i'll just have wine every time i'm around them and they're like where does it go and

how do you survive and i'm like i really don't know and jason's dad also calls me balzy bristow because i like always say whatever it's on my mind and the one time he was like i was on his phone I changed a password on something on his phone. And he's like, you just change a password on my phone, balzy. So that name got of stuff. But I prefer to be model. Yeah.

I love being one of the boys. That's one of my favorite things. Like when Jason goes out with his buddies, I'm like, but I want to come. Like, yeah. I like hanging out with the guys. It's so fun. And vice versa.

I like to be like just one of the girls having wine night. I, first of all, I cannot believe what is said at wine nights. I feel bad for all of the boyfriends and men that are being. talked about during wine nights because their ears should be ringing for one and two it's way too descriptive there's way too much detail i got i have white nights look a little like that over here as well with the girls yeah i walk out of those those nights when i've been in the room knowing way too much about each of the men that were talked about yeah you like walk out feeling a little humble they're like oh gosh really say about me yeah i was safe tonight because i was there but what

happens next Friday yeah susie you seem to be like so supportive and friends with all of the women from your season are you still friends of so many and clayton is that weird for you guys are you guys like this is what it is because we all know it's a weird world i think well for me it was weird because i actually couldn't tell anybody what happened so gabby is the only one oh that's not true i talked to marlina and serene too about what happened um not right off the back Gabby's the only one that knew, like, since we left Iceland, we both were like, what the hell does happen? Like, you tell me your side.

I'll tell you mine. Yeah. Like, swapped war stories. And we were like, oh, my gosh, what the heck? Yeah. So, yeah, Gabby and I stayed, like, close and in communication that whole time. But we were really close in the show. Like, I would say she was my best friend from the entire experience because we made it all the way

to the end together. And we were super close from the beginning. So it was weird. And, like, she even kind of said before AFR, she was like, you know, I feel like it's going to be tough. And she's like, I so want you to think that I'm like taking anything away from your relationship with Clayton. But like, and I was like, before she could even finish, I was like, you had a relationship with him too. Like, you also had a relationship with Clayton. And you guys deserve to have an honest conversation.

And that's like to you guys. Like, I don't need to be a part of it or considered in that. So, yeah, I mean, I'm supportive of all the girls. And it was kind of weird, though, because I couldn't, like, tell anybody that I was with them. And I know some people kind of, like, beat around the bush trying to figure out. And I was like, oh, this is, it feels uncomfortable. But I love all the girls from my season. And I've not had issues with any of them, like, at any point up until now, even on the show.

So that's nice. Yeah, I'm excited to see more of them. Mara just came through the area. And she popped in and heard Claire and I, we went out and did a wine night. And it was a blast. Yeah, it was super fun. So I'm excited to travel and see the other girls and then like anyone that comes through as well.

Yeah, they've become like lifelong friends. I saw Clayton. You just went on a trip with the boys, didn't you? Oh, yeah. For Rodney's birthday bash. It was a wild weekend. And actually there were some of the girls there as well. Geneby was there.

Sam was there. I spoke to both of them. No hard feelings. I think honestly, we're all just realizing that, hey, like we went through this. It was crazy and we're not going to hold anything against anybody for something. that was a foreign environment. And I think, yeah, for the most part, I don't think it's awkward. Shoot, I was on a FaceTime with Mara and Claire and Susie two days ago. And Claire's telling me, we got a rematch at Cornhole after what happened last time. So I think honestly, yeah, I mean,

I can see it where I think most of the women, there's a, there's a mutual respect there. I certainly understand that there are still probably feelings of being upset with some of the women that, as we advance farther in, that might still be upset and hold resentment towards me. And if they do hold that, continue to hold that, then that's, that's their decision to do so. And I do, I do understand that. But I think, but yeah, so far from the women I've spoken to, and with Susie, with her being friends, whoever she's friends with, I want to be friends with. That's what it comes down to. I don't, yeah, I mean, at the end of day, her friends are my friends, so. Yeah. Well, that's nice. I like that. That's a good mentality. And it's like, like you said,

you all went through something together and then you kind of accept it for it is what it is and it was what it was and it's yeah it's um somewhat real life but it's also not and like it's cool to be friends i'm friends with so many of the guys from my season it's really funny that's awesome i don't think you realize how how much it bonds you that's what i that's what i was kind of shocked at this weekend uh the guys i'm like man like was the first time we all got together at least when i was there they've done it before but it really just made me realize i'm like man we didn't spent a ton of time together but we spent in that time we were together we just were non-stop talking and we have quality time yeah it's very much quality time and so i was impressed and really shocked by the bonds

this past week and i'm like man i actually really like these guys a lot and they're friends i do see having for the rest of my life totally yeah i know i've i still have so many friends from not only my season but from when i was on the bachelor like the girls i'm still close to so many of them it's like ashley i who is like one of my favorite people she like it's so crazy Whitney, who was actually engaged to Chris Souls, who was The Bachelor, like I'm going to see her next weekend. Like we've all stayed in touch because, again, you just go through something together and it really bonds you.

There's so many questions from listeners that I did not get to, but I'm reading over them and I'm like, we've basically answered them all anyways. Oh, this one's cute. Megan wants to know what are each of your biggest strengths? Like, Susie, what would you say? Don't kill me. Don't kill me. It's so easy to do.

It's so easy to do. Why? Because we're former football players? Absolutely not because your name sounds so similar. And it's literally you are nothing. You are not like him at all in any way whatsoever. You don't look the same. You don't have to apologize.

I'm just giving you trouble. No, I hate that. Mike, just got whole like tingles through my body because I was like, you feel. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. No, literally. Okay, like top secret, not even.

But like the very first interview they did. with me before I even met Clayton, the person interviewed me was calling him Colton the whole time, and I didn't have the guts to, like, correct them because I was so bad. And that's not the first time I've done it. I'll admit that to you. That's my confession.

I've called you Colton so many times, and then I'm like, what am I doing? And I think it's because it's just like, I don't know if it just sounds similar. You guys are so different. I honestly thought people were just doing it for a while just to try to be annoying. And then I realized,

and I actually realized people, were like genuinely just like you're they're way too similar of names and i was like okay so after a while it's still happening people still say it you're not the only one i'm never going to do that again ever oh don't say that you will do it now just because you said that no i actually won't all right what are your your biggest strength that you see in each other um do you do you do this yeah so the biggest strength that i see in susy yeah oh god there's so many but i would say by far the one that stands out to me most. Most is just like how compassionate she is. I mean, she's so caring to the point where sometimes I almost just like want to remind her to take some time for herself because I think

I think like that's where I get taken aback as I'm just blown away by how much she's always focused on trying to make other people happy to the point where I, you know, it's like everyone else's happiness comes before hers. I don't think she does that purposefully, but I do think that again, I see that because she's just so always like on 24-7 mental. trying to like find ways and she did it for me the entire four months that we were together when I was going through it she all checking in first thing in the morning always just making sure like that I was okay mentally and wow then like then she would address kind of her own things so that that by far I mean there's so many of them but that to me was something that's a huge strength yeah wow I couldn't

have done that so yeah that's really sweet that's really sweet Clayton has a lot I think that and I think like every relationship I've been and I've like learned something from those relationships and like a lot of those things like make me who I am but I think with Clayton and this is why at the beginning when I said like one of my red flags like I'm stubborn and maybe a little bit self-righteous sometimes is because like every time I've brought something to Clayton that I'm like I need this from you or I need more of this or this is how I like to be loved or whatever it is like and honestly like I'm probably a little needy and I'm a little bit like I know who I am and like I know what I want and I have this like like a little bit of this

like I'm a little bit sassy I don't know how to describe I'm just like a little bit like I'm just like I am me and I and I know like I'm not I'm unphologetic about that but like I know it can be a lot but like Clayton is the only boyfriend I think that I've ever had that every time I bring something to him no matter how big or how small like he's never been like that's too much or I can't give you that or that's expecting too much of me like he's always like taken it in and been like and honestly thought about it like there's been times like recently he's like I just need a few minutes to like think through this or whatever it was and then he's he always like implements whatever it is into our relationship like

He's not the boyfriend that you're like, I complain about this or I say this, and then he keeps doing it. Like, Clayton is somebody that, like, literally puts work into the relationship more than any guy I've ever been with. And honestly, probably more than I have done in any previous relationship. And maybe in this one, too. And it makes me realize, like, the things in myself from, like, I need to also, like, step into that role and be like, how can I adapt and love you the way that you need to be loved? because he's always done that for me and that's like really been big and i'm and it's like it's blown me away like every every time we've had i've had something that i've needed from him he's always like stepped into that and like work like super hard to just be a good partner yeah wow and that's

i mean that's really all a partner can ask for in life is something like that that's you guys are cute man when did you first say i love you um that just came to me right now that wasn't even a question You guys are so cute. I can feel it and I want to know when you were like, I love this person. It was a few weeks after filming for me, or a month maybe or something. And I was hesitant to say it. And I was like, I remember I told him this too. I told him.

It's so weird. I told him this. We were laying in bed one day and I was looking at him and I was like, oh, my God, I literally love you, but I didn't say it. And then later that day, I told him, I was like, when we were laying in bed earlier, I was like looking at you and I was just like thinking about how much I loved you. But I didn't say I loved, I still, like, even when we said goodbye on that trip, I never was like, okay, I love you bye. Yeah.

I just, like, told him that. And then it accidentally slipped out on the phone one day a few weeks later. And then, yeah, I don't know how long into the, that process it was. Do you remember? I think it was like, it was like two months in, yeah. I know, because I basically told her that I never, like, stopped loving her based off what all it happens. Because there's such a quick turnaround from the end of the show towards, like, when she, reached out. So I just said, hey, you know, you don't have to be on the same, like, level as me

right now. Obviously, I hope we get there. But take your time. Hopefully, like, you will get to that point where you love me as much as I love you. And so, yeah. And so I just, for me, obviously, I was just waiting on it. I'm like, all right, be patient. You know, like, let her, we still have a lot to talk about. There's a lot that needs to be said. And, and hopefully, if we can keep having these conversations, she will end up saying it. And yeah, when she slipped up on the phone, I just got that silent. And then I was just like, did you just say what I thought you said? She's like, I was trying to save that for the weekend.

I was like, yeah, let's do you. Oh, that's so cute that you were going to save it, but you just couldn't. You had to say it. That's the best. It just came in, actually. And I love that. It's so funny, Clayton. I wish I could put pictures of you side by side of the last time we talked in right now.

Like, you have not stopped smiling the whole time. And it's just your whole energy has shifted. And it's just so friggin' awesome. I'm so happy for the two of you. I am on the team of rooting for you and people all will soon. And if they don't, who cares? Anyways, it sounds like you both have had some tough conversations, some really fun times, like all the things that you would want out of a relationship.

I feel like you guys are getting that. You're getting that from each other. You know each other's strengths. You know each other's weaknesses. You see each other pee. It'll eventually get to poo. We're all getting there. and we are at the time in the podcast where I'm going to ask you to confess something embarrassing to me.

I just like, yeah, so I guess the one I could think of that popped up. It was like right after college and I was always used to getting fed food from like the dining hall for football. I was four-ed scholarships. So they would give us food. They prepared for us. And for literally five years, I just had all food prep prep for me. So once I was out in the real world after college,

I had to obviously learn to cook and do all that myself. Yeah. And so I went to the store and I bought hamburger helper. And I went back home to make it and open up the box. And I was like, where the hell is the hamburger at? And I called my mom and I go, mom, I go, I bought hamburger helper. There's no hamburger. She goes, Clayton, it's called hamburger helper.

for a reason it's an additive and i was like i thought there was in my defense i thought there was going to be dehydrated beef in there like dehydrated burger was my thought that was a hardly really harsh awakening rude awakening that i was like clayton real just slapped you in the face and you better get your shit right get your own hamburger and make it and we the helper is there to just help that's so i yeah i wanted them to help me out like you need to help me with my dehydrated burgers don't put me don't make me go get a burger myself that's so funny oh my gosh you've just been spoon fed in the bachelor world in the football world okay yeah I work hard hold on now hold on hey I didn't have been food fed all the time I work hard come on now I'm just

kidding I'm totally kidding I know you work hard and I saw you were studying and you're doing your things become a trainer and I think that's so awesome I think that you could clearly tell you're passionate about that and my favorite thing in life is when people can use their platform to do something that they love. So that is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No, I really would love to be able to make, I mean, again, if you have this platform to me, it's like you should do something beneficial for it. So I have plans also talk about men's mental health, speak on that in a motivational way, I have a buddy that I'm going to partner up with. So yeah, I want to be able to use it for good. And that's just those are a couple of ways to do so. That's amazing. I love that. Yeah,

you'll see like, you know, you get so wrapped up in what people think of you because you're on television every Monday. But then once you come out of it, you can see so many beautiful things that can come out of social media, so many ways to use your platform. And I think that's really incredible. Thank you. Sus, you're up for your story. Yeah. Okay. I was like debating between two. This one almost got me in trouble last time I talked about it. I was with Clayton too. But so I lived in Japan for two years and pretty early on I went on a date with a Japanese guy that didn't speak English and I didn't speak Japanese. So we were using Google

translate at dinner to communicate and then like broken Japanese and English. Yeah. And I was like, oh, what a traditional experience I'm having. Like I'm in Japan. This is so cool. But like Japan is very

traditional and there's a lot of like cultural norms that you just don't have any idea about when you move there. No matter how much you read or what you see online. and there's a lot of like dating rules that are just they're just very traditional yeah and I'm not real traditional in a lot of ways and so I I just found out at the end of my day I found myself in a very weird situation where I couldn't communicate and I was in a you know I don't

if you've been to Japan but they have like personal karaoke rooms oh fun yeah really cool you go with your friends I ended up in a karaoke room in a very just unusual situation that I was like, I don't really know how I got here and I don't want to be here anymore, but I don't know how to communicate that. And so I basically just had to like, this is like a sign when you like cross your arms. And I just was saying like, dame, dame, we're just like, don't or like no. And I literally just didn't even know. I was like, what is happening right now?

But basically I left the date, talked to my Japanese girlfriends. And the whole time I was telling them the story, they would be like, oh, hey? Like, you did that and you said that? And I was like, oh, this is, I was like, oh my gosh, like, I was breaking all the Japanese dating rules and I had no idea that I was like just, yeah, giving off the wrong vibe. Oh my gosh, what are you supposed to do? Stay in a situation you don't want to? No, I think like, I think it was more of like these norms in the dating culture there.

It's like if you go to dinner, then you go to, you go home afterwards. Like, you don't go for dreams. It's like, I'm sure you can, but, like, it just gives off this, like, illusion. I mean, I'm not Japanese, so I don't know the dating rules fully. But, like, when I was there, I was just, I was like, this is how we date America. Like, you're just like, woo-hoo, do whatever. But then, like, you were doing it all wrong in Japan. Yeah, I broke all the dating roles.

And I was just like, I don't know how to speak Japanese. So I'm just going to go. I'm just going to see that guy again. Yeah, I worked with him. Oh. Yeah. He was nice. literally so nice and he was like oh like he was very confused i was very confused it was like a very

confusing night so yeah that's a fun experience though to communicate through like people translate and like have a meal together where you have to like figure it out and you can go off body language that's cool did you guys make out i'm just kidding i'm just kidding we did we made out you can hear that after you get to date all these girls you can hear that um my last question for the two of you is what do you want as a couple moving forward have you talked about the future or are you really just living in the moment as a couple right now living but we're we're both planning for the future but i think we're just enjoying for the most part we don't have like set plans for anything we're just like we're living and we're living ambitiously you know

we're being proactive yeah Kayla we're actually rolling through nashville we're doing a uh we're doing a Yeah, a cross-country trip. And I don't know if you'll be around April 18th is when we'll be in Nashville. Let me check my schedule. We got a dinner with one of my buddies. But outside of that, I mean, yeah, we'll, if we could catch, maybe catch you guys for drinks or something afterwards. Oh, I'm so down.

I have no plans that day. There you go. It's, yeah, it's right after Easter, I think. Oh, gosh, fun. So, yeah, we're rolling through. We're doing a cross-country trip. It'll be a lot of fun. Two of you are together?

Yeah, she's flying. into Scottsdale and then we're just going to go cross country. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm really tease and peace. Thoughts and prayers for the two of you on a road trip for that long because my gosh, that's that's real love. We have a day broken up in like seven

hour drives and then we hit cool spots. We're hitting Denver, Moab, Utah I said that out of order, but Utah then Denver, then Kansas City, St. Louis. Yeah, so we got it all broken up. Oh, it's so fun. It's going to be fun. Are you guys going to take a van? I feel like that's like a Bachelor Nation couple

tradition now. Like Katie and John got a van or Dean and Kaelin. Like what do you, are you guys just packing up? I'm taking my Tiguang, Volkswagen Teguan. So it's a small little SUV, not really a van, but, you know, it gets the job done. It'll, yeah, it'll just have a good playlist, some good podcasts and. A ton of TikToks. I know Sue's going to have me doing a lot of Tickrots against my will. So many TikToks. Okay. Against his will. I don't want to take up too much your time. I heard you're going on my buddies for podcast. I am. I am. I'm so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he, I mean, good for instance, high school, but he's, I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's a little tough one sometimes because he's, he went, he was in the military or is. Yeah. Is he going to grow me? Uh, I think it'll be cordial. Yeah, I mean, but he's just like, you know, army mentality. He can get a little sometimes snippy. I mean, he's, he calls it like it is, put it that way. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can, I can handle anything. I don't know. I might end up trying and call you later. Tell him I said hello and that, uh, and that he owes, he owes me a beer. He'll know what that's for.

Okay. I will tell him. He'll act like he doesn't. So just say that. I know you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll tell him. I just adore you both.

Thank you for coming on the pod today. And I'm just so rooting for the both of you. And you seem so happy and excited for the future. And let's grab a drink in Nashville. And you roll through in the, what do you drive? Volkswagen Tiguayan. In the Volkswagen. I love it.

Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. I'm Caitlin Ristow. Your session is now. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new minisodes every Thursday and check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday

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