Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: All Things Bachelor with Super Fan Mae Whitman

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

You may know today’s guest Mae Whitman from her roles in top TV shows including Good Girls, Parenthood and even a throwback episode of Grey’s Anatomy, or as the co-host of Friday Night Lights rewatch podcast "It's Not Only Football: Friday Night Lights and Beyond" … but did you also know she’s a Bachelor Nation super fan? Well, she’ll prove it. Kaitlyn and Mae sat down on Tuesday following Zach’s hometowns (but before Women Tell All & Charity’s Bachelorette announcement… congrats, Charity!) to talk all about this season and BTS of the franchise in general. And, these two don’t just have their love of the franchise in common; they’re both raging Geminis and extreme dog moms who are avid fantasy suite sexy time supporters. Plus, Mae was kind of The Bachelorette, too, if you count her voicing that role on Family Guy — which you should. They also get into Mae’s career as a child actor, what it was like working with Kaitlyn’s hall pass (#welovePaulRudd), how Mae would act as a contestant on the show, and all their thoughts on Zach’s final four. Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: PELOTON - Explore Peloton Row and their financing options at onepeloton.com/row.  PROGRESSIVE - Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 29 million drivers who trust Progressive. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We discuss, I mean, all things, Bachelor, Bachelorette, behind the scenes, Zach's season. It was so fun. We could have just went on and on forever. It was just like, I forgot we were podcasting at one point. So I think you'll really enjoy my conversation with May Whitman. Hi. Hi. How are you?

I'm good. Good. It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. I'm actually going to go. What? No, you're not. Yes, I am. Are you crazy?

I'm like, I feel bad for you because this is basically going to be an interview of you. I'm going to be like, no, no, I have questions for you. Good. I hope so. I actually love when people have questions for me because it's fun to turn the table. Totally. It's my favorite show.

I've seen them all. I know it all. It's terrible. I know. I mean, there's a reason that show has. There really is. And it's deep. It's like, it's not just like, oh, ha ha, the bachelor. I'm like, it goes deep. I've had like many therapy sessions like that are completely centric around things that I've felt from watching the bachelor on the bachelor. I actually did a week

retreat of therapy. And we had to talk about certain triggers and things that like are irrationally triggering. And then we had to confront other people in our class. that, like, triggered us and explain why. Oh, my God. And I got along so well with this one guy. He was just so lovely. And at the end, we actually had to say what we did. We used different names.

Nobody knew who anybody was. You, like, kept your privacy. And at the end, you have to say who you are and what you do. And it's kind of a way to see how people react and then treats each other and how we all just, like, are humans at the end of the day. And right before we left for our. final lunch this guy sits me down and he goes can i do a transference with you which is what you say when you want to talk about how somebody's triggered you and i was like okay and he sits me down and he

goes my wife and i have almost divorced over the show that you were on and as soon as you told me as soon as you told me that you were a bachelor at one point he goes i immediately was irritated by you That is iconic. Wow. How does it feel to be a national trigger if you know what I mean? I was like, I get it that show. There's a lot of triggering stuff.

I mean, I consider myself to be a pretty, you know, complex human being. But I'm like, there are certain things like not to just jump right in, but I'm like, you know,

I, the Greg and Katie thing, I was like, I couldn't like go of that for like months. Like my therapist, I'd be like, you know, it's kind of like when Greg ran from K.

And like, he's like, please not this again. And I'm like, but it all makes sense. It's all part of it. Like, I was so triggered by that. And I'm like, it's so complex. Like, I feel like it's like microcosms of so much bigger like things.

And it's funny because you think about it and you're like, I'm sure it's so produced. I'm sure there's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there's stuff that you're just like whatever this is, which I guess that's like art. But whatever this is, it's like making me feel certain things about my own life or notice things about my own like ways of behavior or this or that. And I was like, I was so triggered by this. that like whole interaction especially because I felt like some people were like a lot of I feel like people were like divided on that issue like people were like oh well she should have given him

more validation and I was like you guys you cannot possibly tell me that like no offense Greg but like flying off the handle at her and basically being like you didn't give me enough I had an expectation that you were going to fix me and you and what you gave me wasn't enough and now I'm gonna punish you for it by like literally physically running away from you making you chase me like we're two years old getting making you get like on your knees to communicate with me and then like insulting her character being like you're this kind of person that would do this like do you see how like I was like I was like fury I was like literally like looking to everyone being like someone talking down off this ledge like still I'm like I was the same way you know

I was the same way. I was actually there as, because I was hosting that season. Oh my God. I can't believe that was your season. And so I was because I didn't know if I was going to go have to step in with Katie. I didn't know what was going on. I actually got to hear a small part of what was actually happening. So I was like, everyone's going to be on like Katie's side through this.

Like it's clearly like him gaslighting and needing her to fix. Beyond. And so when people didn't see that and it was. like 50-50 and people were sitting on Katie, I was like, I couldn't believe it. I was like, okay, well, this is a, this is one of the problems with that we need to deal with as human beings and as Americans. I was like, this is a patriarchal, massive reflection that is a big problem of like what, I mean, relationships are supposed to be, what you're supposed to get from your partner, what you think, like, it really worried me so much where I was like, and this is,

I have so many questions too, because I felt like there was a rare, moment in there of they sort of showed like some of the off screen conversations because I always wonder I'm kind of like you know when you can like sense that like something is going to be a thing like with the Dale and like you know you're like okay obviously that's

the person that they want to be with like and I'm always wondering like when they're like off screen obviously not eating the salmon at the dinner which is a whole other thing I'm like why put it there if no one's ever going to touch it's really upsetting I'm like I've never I can't it bother

me so much. I'm like, there is another beautiful uncooked ratatooy that will never be touched. It's really upsetting. But I'm like, is there like a thing where you're like in line for like the actual crafty backstage and they're like, it doesn't it have to be that sometimes they like whisper and cover their mic and be like, you know you're alone. Like just cool it and wait for me. Like I'll be on the other side. Like does that kind of shit happen? Because I felt like you saw offscreen a little bit of her being like, come on. You know this is a thing. Like why are you freaking out? you know yeah you can do a little bit like you'll get in like a winky wing sure you'll get in trouble from producers where they'll be like don't do that and they can hear everything i swear even if you cover your mic they can hear everything and so they really do make sure like do not tell them because they make you think and i kind of get this where at the end it does make it that much more magical the people at home see the like magic and the surprise in their eyes and like that they're like oh my gosh it's it's part of the show.

But the eating thing, I will say, I was shocked last night on the episode with Charity's family. They were all eating around the table. And I was like, oh my God. This is amazing. It's the first food I've seen. I know.

There's those rare moments, even like they went to the, because I feel like with Ariel's like, the whole thing was like, we're eating. Like, I'm showing you food. And it was like, I saw them to take like one bite of gefilta fish. And I was like, I feel like this is the first episode of seen people eat in, like, years of this television show. Do you have, like, food stylists who are just, like, devastatedly scraping off, like, the beautiful rotissory and stuff? Truly.

Truly, you do eat that food after. Really? I did. I did. So what happens? This is what I found. I'm so happy right now. This is like dream.

I love explaining these things to people, too, because it is fascinating. And I was a fan of the show, too. So when I learned all these things behind the scenes. I was like, oh my gosh. It's fascinating. It really is. So what happens is they actually feed you before you go on your date. You don't see each other before.

So you're in a hotel room. You're eating whatever you want. Then you go to sit down. And what they want is you do not be talking with your mouthful. So of course, you're not going to eat and talk. And so they just make it look beautiful. But I'm like, do we even need to put the food there? I know.

Every time I was, I would always just like pound wine when I was on those dates. I have a whole other question about that too, I guess. After pounding the wine, I'd be pretty hungry and that delicious food was just sitting in front of me. So then they'd be, they'd take him to go to his like post interview and we'd be done the date. And I'd be like, oh, like, like, eating off a plate as well. I mean, of course, I'm like, it's, it is, that's the whole other thing, too, is like, I'm always wondering about everything off camera because talk about like psychological confusion. I'm like, you are, you notice that like, you know, when you're doing rose ceremonies, after drinking champagne all night, it's like, you see the sun come. coming up. And you're like, wait, what's happening here? And like, why is that part? Do you, do you have like,

I'm like all cueing on about it where I'm like, is that part of it where it's, it's like a little, they can't help but be like, you get a little bit better of some drama. If somebody has had champagne all night and then it's six in the morning and the shit's coming. You know what I mean? Like, that's a nightmare. Absolutely. It's the lack of sleep, which causes anybody to go delusional. It's the, you know, even even with their rule of two drinks per hour, you're still drinking for 10 hours. Oh my God. It's insane. I was wondering if there were, if there was a rule because I saw Gabby, remember at the beginning of this like season when she was had had a little much and she was kind of not really. I mean, if I had two glasses of wine in an hour now, I'd be totally wasted.

So it's like I get it. But I just wonder if it's like, do people like secretly take more than the two drinks an hour? Like, oh, you're on watch. Like there is somebody keeping ticks of how many, but there's loopholes, right? You could wait till the end of the hour, take a, right? shot of tequila and a glass of wine and then you're on your third glass of wine for the next hour so there's definitely loophole there was no limitations on my season and it was just a free for all and i don't know yeah it's crazy because what time does the rose ceremony usually happen it happens it like sun up the first few rose ceremonies do um like and i know from hosting the other two seasons too where even because i kind of forgot because my season was quite a few years ago now

where I was like, was it like this on when I did this? They're like, yeah. And it would go, you know, even four weeks in, the row ceremonies are at five in the morning. But the first night, night one, the party starts at 7 p.m. and goes till 8 a.m. Yeah. A moment of silence. That is so, it just, it's like, it feels like, again, some kind of like extremely complex,

like sociological experiment where it's like the Stanford prison. experiment where it's like you put people in this like you know they remember that that where that they did with the like they put assigned people to be prisoners and people to be like guards and like they were the within like days they were just like eating each other and like abusing each other and really like went into these roles of it's like when you're told to be this certain way you just fill in the roles like even if morally it doesn't like compute with who you actually are because some authority figure told you to do it you know Right. That's how I feel, and we'll get into Zach's season, but that's how I feel when he's about to go into these fantasy suites. And they have probably told him, like, hey, why don't you be the bachelor that doesn't sleep with anybody and you're this wholesome, blah, blah, blah. And then you're in the moment and you've been, you know, so isolated for how many weeks at this point without your family or friends and you like, you know, don't have the time to just jerk off at one point. So he's probably just like in the fantasy suite. I'm like, just ripping it.

Yeah. I'm also. like no offense but this is something that another thing that bothers me is like who was the one that was a nightmare who like there's always that gilting thing and it's complicated obviously right like you're like you know when you're a contestant and you're you've reached this final point and you're like imagining your first of all just in general having dating multiple people in this weird way where it's like you know they're about to leave and go like now sleep with someone else it's like obviously i would have a problem with that but then there's also this world in which it's like, well, but if this person is going to choose to be with this

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You are all of us. Yeah. And even when it got down to it, I was like, yeah, this sucks. But like I would like him to explore. Yeah. And also like I would be more concerned if the person was not going to explore. Like that a person who is like, that's okay. I shall wait until the marriage.

And then we shall see. I'm like, that scares me because that's like the repression. And you're like so, you know, again, it's like not an ideal setup. But it is sort of like also, you know, this idea that like, oh the sexuality isn't as important as like the emotional connection and I'm like but you don't even know what each other's bodies are feel like together you don't know you haven't even gotten to spend the night with someone for God's sakes even if you just like lay there talking which I'm sure happens but like you you have to be able to have that time you have time for all of it especially because you like you you go through and you figure out what you like the whole concept of like being successful. in a relationship. So much of it has to do with knowing yourself. And I feel like, I don't know how you, you know, really know yourself unless you go out and you learn about yourself through other relationships and like what you need and what you don't need. And then you hit

this point where you're like exhausted, which, you know, I'm like turning 35 in a couple months and I'm just so tired. I'm like, I don't know how anyone has the time to date or go outside or sleep with me. I'm like, oh my God, I'm exhausted. Just thinking about it. But like that's because I did it. I did it all. I remember how much I don't want to do it anymore. And that's like you got to go, you got to go through it in order to get to the other side to be like, I'm done. I'm sitting. I'm tired. Let's watch The Bachelor and fall asleep immediately when it's done. You know what I mean? That is me. I am you. I did the same thing. And now I'm like, I just want to be at home with the dogs. And like that sounds exhausting to do other things. Actually, yeah, wait, I heard you have your dogs tattooed on you, which we love to see it. I love to

I actually have one. I just got this one. So I have four dogs. They're like little tiny rescue months. They're completely unwell. But this guy, Chet, is my, he's my like oldest. And I've had him since I was 17. And he was four months old. And now I'm turning 35 and he's like 10 hundred. And it's been like really hard because, you know, he's like, you know someone for that long. It's like, I don't remember life without him. And I'm always like, my friend Ray Romano has like a whole stand-up joke about like that's like the one thing God really fucked up on is like making dogs not live as long as people. I'm like that just is cruel. I'm like to me it's like mosquitoes and not having dogs live as long as people. I'm like why. You know what I mean? Yes. It's not right. It is torture. It is. I have to rescue golden retrievers. No. Oh my God. Not the time. I know. He's right here. He sits right on the like I'm, I can't I should probably say you could just, oh, my God, they're both right here. They're so cute.

They're the best. And I, you know, from I, I'm like, I'm always jealous of people who rescue from when they were babies because when I rescued them, we didn't know what age they were. And I'm like, I don't get the unknown. I can't. I was just thinking about it. I have a dog that is like, my best friend Miles found her like running in the street and she'd been like abused.

And Melner, she's like two pounds. She's like a teacup chihuahua. She's a mess. She looks like a little. carcass it's like insane and but like we took her to the vet and she was like they were like honestly she could be too she could be 10 we don't this it's hard to tell and I'm just like terrified so I'm like you know what you're immortal I can't go there the concept I mean the mortality of it all is like I can't even go there it's like being faced with that especially with

your dog it's like people you're like that's terrible you know I'm so sad but like dogs it's like a soul issue like deep well and you feel I feel like you where I always say there's dog people and there's dog yes a hundred percent I am like my dogs are my children I am obsessed I'm just looking at me too every morning every night I'm like hysterical and it really is I do think it's like there are certain people who they get it and they're like I love my dog it was hard and I'm like no like this is like my soul will be ripped out. I don't know how to deal with like the idea of it coming up. And it's sort of that weird thing too where you hit this certain age,

which again, like the age thing is so interesting to me as well on The Bachelor because I feel like I watch it sometimes and I'm like sure that these people are, talk about like mortality and a reality check. Like I'm sure that these people are so much older than me and they really have their shit together and they know what they want and the thing and stuff. And then they're like, yeah, you know, being 25 and I'm like, I'm like I'm 10 years older than you and you're like all businessy and I can't I don't know what's going on like it just it does it is like a reminder of you hit this point in your life where not that it all starts to go down but you're definitely like sloping in a different direction than you were before you know and you're kind of like Jesus all this shit is coming and I am scared I don't know how to deal with it I feel that I'm 37 almost 38 and the same thing I'm like oh gosh you just and you just and you expect something to just happen where you're like, oh, I feel old now, but it's just slowly

happening. It's so slow. And with the pandemic, I feel like that really boned us because I'm like, I needed those years to transition into this new upsetting place. I'm like, I needed to be like, you know what? I'm going to have a good three year like processing time where I'm like, it's time for me to go into the next phase. And all of a sudden it was like, stay inside. And when you come out, you'll be old and cranky and sore and tired and upset. And there's no. So I'm like, okay, my body is not like responding to me the way it used to. I can't drink alcohol about like passing out on the floor. Like it's so crazy. It just happened. It felt like a real. I felt like we should be like credited back for these years. I'm like I literally needed those. The only benefit

of that was being able to stay at home with your dogs all the time. Which I loved. I loved. I love But then I felt like such a, I felt so guilty after going back out into the real world and traveling again because they would have been like, but wait, you don't do this. I feel like this. I feel like a lot of people are like experiencing that trauma with their pets of like their pets were like for the first time being like, oh my God, like 24 hours a day, you and me. And then all of a sudden leaving. They're like, but sorry, where are you going? Isn't everyone sick out there? Like there's like, you know, they're trying to process it.

It's true. It's devastating. I'm like, oh my gosh. I hate that that look that they give you and they're crying and it's like it's a nightmare. It's horrible. No, I was just packing earlier to go. I'm going to London tomorrow and the way that my one, Pino, my one dog could, could care less. He's like hilarious.

Just like, he's like a bloopy, floppy, like do do. My other dog, Raman is like emotionally connected to me. Yes, same. He knows I saved him. It's like my husband. I'm like, ugh, like. It's like this, it's really like having roommates. Like, it's not like my dog.

It's like you're all coexisting in this fear. But I'm the same with my dog, Chet, though my old one. He is like, he sees me going into the closet where there's a suitcase. And he's like, no, he's like,

we're not doing this. He's like, you can do it, but I'm going to be ice you out for three days. And like, and he like sits in the suitcase. He stands on top of my clothes. He's like,

I mean, he gives it to me good. He is like, oh, not having it. No, they're very passive aggressive. What do you do about your dogs when you're on

this contestant show. I don't know. I wasn't, I didn't have a dog when I went on. Actually, well, when I got engaged from the Bachelorette, he had a golden retriever. And he was like, not that time. I was like, oh, the other time. I'm like, I'm so happy for you. You're not still together.

I did have a nice three and a half year relationship with another golden retriever who I loved so much. But I was like, when, when I was like, when, I got back and fell in love with his dog. I was like, how did you leave him? I'm like, there's something wrong with you. Who was the monstery guy on the last one who told Gabby that she was rough around the edges that I wanted to like take out in public and like spank over and over again with a wooden

paddle? I wanted to kick him right in the deck. Me too. And I was also like, hey, instead of talking about how you're upset to be away from your dogs, why don't you just like not be away from your dog? Like you suck on every degree. I was so mad because he's like, my dog. is my life. I paid over $100,000 for surgery. It has cancer. I'm like, what are you doing here?

Literally, what are you doing here? I'm like, the things that I have canceled to be spending like every moment with my dog as he's getting older, I'm truly like, I'm like, I'm like canceling giant business meetings and passing on jobs because I'm like, this is not, this is one of those real life moments where you're like, I'm not going to look back and be like, gee, sure wish I, you know, did that convention or whatever. I'm going to be like, I wish I was present in every single moment. But that's this it's the same thing i feel like in this industry you like it behooves them to kind of keep you in a place of like you know not really knowing your your own worth and your value and what you need in order to feel good about yourself there's no structure it's like you have to structure

it on your in your own terms and as much as you know me being like a child actor i think i had this weird psychological thing of being like almost like the business is my parent like they want the best for me you know i thought the same thing about Bachelor producers. Oh, I know. That's got to be so psychologically fucked up as well. You get it. I mean, I totally get it.

And it's really, I feel like that's honestly, people are always like, oh, how come you're not, you know, your child actor. How come you're not like completely, you know, ripped apart? And I'm like, honestly, because I had parents who genuinely had my best interest at heart and we're looking out for me. But I feel like a lot of people, kids especially, they don't have someone who has their genuine best interest, whatever it may be. and that's when you really start to get into trouble because you look for someone to connect with in that way and you put your trust in the wrong people and like the manipulation and the betrayal and then like I mean that's like it's like cult level stuff you know like it's cool level the stuff I see like people on your level and people like like the Britney Spears people of it all like I'm like that is so heartbreaking it's really awful and you can see it like you know it's like when you've been in a situation of any kind that's sort of genuine like generally leans in that direction and that direction.

you know you can see how it gets there like you know i watched that sarah lawrence documentary on hula did you watch that i didn't but i know what you're talking about i can't i i i want to recommend it but it's so upsetting that it's like hard to recommend but i was like it's they do a really excellent job of just showing this horrifying slow tiny little by little manipulation of these people and it's just like you you when you fall into the hands of like a true sociopath or like someone who really has, I mean, the vow, all that kind of stuff, it's like, it's so terrifying because, you know, people are always like, but how could you stay? How could you do this? How could you do that? And it's like, it's so little by little by little like, you know, the manipulation that there's a certain amount of brain washing. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. That's, that scares the crap out of me. That's when I came off that show, I was like, I don't think I could do that again. Now like seven years have passed. I'm like, maybe. I could do something again. Well, yeah, my question, too, to you is, like, when you guys were hosting, I was like, thank

God, like, no offense, but I'm like, why would we not have women hosting the show? It's like, it's so offensive. I'm like, where is, like, the diversity when it comes to the host? And then I was, like, devastated to see you guys leave. Like, no offense to Jesse, seems very nice. But, like, there is a level of, if you're going to have somebody be your guide throughout this process and actually be like helpful having somebody like people that are intuitive people that are aware people who understand what it's like to be in the position and also like in like a you know a group

that's like not a completely like white straight male you know someone who's like has the has empathy and awareness and compassion and can kind of like intuitively guide you it would it would change the whole structure of the show for the better yeah I agree and obviously like and Chris Harrison interviewed me on his podcast and he said that we were set up to not succeed and some people were like he shouldn't have said that and I was kind of like I kind of agree like they did set us up to be like oh you're like this little gimmicky thing we're going to do for a couple seasons just like two giggly girls just like who can but but I took it so seriously and I was like I actually did really want to you know help that lead and and have that level of empathy and compassion and guidance but I I don't know if they necessarily want that out of the host. Well, I think they also sort of like, it's interesting to hear you say that about being set up to fail. Like, I do feel like sometimes, like I was on a TV show that shall not be named, but it was sort of a similar thing where it was like they almost the network almost wanted to use it as an example of this is why we can't make shows that are like intellectually stimulating or not like appealing to the entire, you know, giant like mass crowd.

so they wanted to sort of be make an example out of it of and and in that way they wanted it to fail and it was like it like wouldn't fail and I remember they literally went to the creator of the show finally after years of switching the times and not telling people and trying to you know kind of like manipulated into failing and they finally were like look here's the deal if you don't dumb it down we're going to cancel you so either dumb it down or you're canceled and the show runner was obviously like I'm not doing that but it was so interesting to see because you're like it's so counterintuitive to be like this thing you want to you know make something that could really be beneficial fail just to make you stay in like mediocrity you know right that's such a good

point yeah it's it is fascinating and it was interesting because I don't know if you remember but tasha had gotten COVID or something and she couldn't do the finale with me and I was like good they can see that no this are not good she got in COVID sure she was okay she was at home He was totally fine, but it was good that they could see that one woman could do it on their own. Totally. And whether that was Tasia or whether that was me, we were capable. And so I thought they would go, oh, look, she did it. That was live.

No, like, screwing it up. So hard. Yep. So hard. And then I get a call and I see two of them on the call, you know, like the head. And I go, oh, I see what's happening. And they go, I'm sure you saw that. this coming and I was like actually I did not but go on I see what's happening now but no I didn't

I can't God it's so predictable and yet so disappointing it's like I know and there's just so many ups and downs yeah in like obviously so many different careers but entertainment too of what you're going to get or things that are changing your lives but yeah speaking of fan girl I fan girled when I looked at your resume the fact that you've like some of the people you've gotten to work with some of the shows you've been on. The fact that you've had such an incredible career, I'm, I l-o-wled because when I was looking at it, I literally am on, I'm re-watching Gray's Anatomy and just watched your episode. Oh, Lord. I'm not even kidding you three days ago. I was in Canada. I was falling asleep to it.

And I just didn't think anything of it. But then when I was looking up here, I was like, oh, my God, I just was that. That is hysterical. I know, that's like a classic thing that people will be like, oh my I was watching and then you were there it's like there's always like so I'm like you cannot escape me I'm not like you know like in your face but I'll slip in there and you won't see a coming and there I am shows like in so many so many shows I know what was it like everyone that listens to my podcast knows that my hall pass my number one crush my everything is Paul Rudd oh what a cutie what a cutie putty he's so cute and how about how he delivers that like line, which of course, we say in conjunction with watching The Bachelor all the time, which is you accept the love you think you deserve, which is like, and he delivers it to him. And it's like, I remember that whole movie was so powerful because it was like, I was in my early 20s. And, you know, it was, and having been a child actor again, it's like you, I still had a childhood. It's not like I was like, you know, a smoking baby in the corner. It wasn't like that. But it was like, you know,

Exactly. Yes. There's none of that. It was pretty cool and normal. But, you know, just even in the best way, it's going to found to be different. And I remember like that movie was so, uh, the most important thing was that we all really loved each other and bonded. And so that's like what we did. And we like, it was like we took over this like top floor of like a residency, you know, hotel kind of weird place in South Pittsburgh. And we all had our rooms. It was basically like a college dorm. And I was basically like a college dorm. like I didn't go to college or dropped out of high school like I so for me to have that with those people it was truly and you know we were working similar hours or be like 5 p.m. to like 9 a.m. and you just like don't have you're like lost and confused and you know but there was so it was kind of my like high school college experience of like debauchery and fun and deep talks and nights and experimenting and this and that like it really was like one of the most magical times for me so it's funny to look back and like. Like, have your, like, experiences be sort of framed in these, like, by movie or by TV experience or whatever.

But, yes, he's incredibly hot and incredibly nice and, like, a really good actor. I'm sorry to tell you and to tell Jason. And he probably smells good, right? Of course. Nice hair, great hair. Beautiful eyes. I'm just hoping something was wrong there. Jason's fuming at me behind off camera, I'm sure.

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Trust me when I say you don't want to miss a single episode. Okay, you did voices on Family Guy, which do you know that I'm like, I'm a really big manifester and I write everything down on bucket list. And before I even went on TV, on my bucket list was be a voice on Family Guy before I even, yeah. And then Nick, who was my runner up, he has bit a voice on it. And I was like, what the hell? But wait, weren't you the Bachelorette voice on it?

Oh, my God, I think I was. I totally forgot. Whoa, that is so meta. You know, it's so funny with that because, you know, I've known Seth for a long time. And I, like, have just all the people there, I became, it's such a, like, family environment over there. And they've been doing it for 10,000 years. And it's like, you know, they'll literally call and be like, hey, can you hum in on Wednesday for, like, 10 minutes and just do, like, six characters. And I'll be like, yeah, yeah.

And I don't know what it is. And then I get there and they're like, you're Lindsay Lohan, you're Hillary Duff, you're The Bachelor, you're this. And I'm like, okay. You know, but I totally forgot. But yes, now I completely remember. Oh my God, that's so cool. Which is also one of my, again, before I even went on the show, that was one of my favorite episodes of Family Guy. I'm dead. Because it's so funny when they're like, at the end, when she picks Brian, you, he walks up and it's like this magical moment. She goes, well, it was great working with you, Brian, like, and then they like give him the contract that he signed. And then, and he's like, wait, no, no, this. And the guy goes, no, gives these backsies. And I was like, oh, like, I've done. So I did that line when I got engaged on the bachelorette because the guy that I picked was so caught up in like the manipulation of the producers. And he was like, I swear this isn't real. So we got engaged. And at the end, we're doing this like happy couple interview. And I was like, well, it was really great working with you, Sean.

that is so iconic i can't oh my god wow so we're basically family like we're basically sisters wow that is so special to me i can't even tell you like weaseling my way into the batch nation is so important to me and i can't believe i'm that you know prominent it's it's incredible i can't believe it i had a question for you which is would you speaking of rose giving and all that and choosing like I'm really into zodiac stuff and so in astrology so I'm like wondering we're Gemini yeah my god I should have known that's great news because I'm a raging Gemini like it just couldn't be more true it's right there what's your do you know your moon and you're rising cancer for both whoa you should be a host that's literally like perfect hosting material like fun interesting

curious, present, engaging, but then also like emotionally attuned. Damn. Damn. That's wild. I got to write a, yeah, I'll write a big, a big letter that no one will ever read. But my big like question, I'm a, I'm like embarrassed. I'm a Leo rising and an Ares moon, which is like the messiest chart of all time. But it really goes hand in hand with being a child actor because I'm like, look everybody, I'm an entertainer. And then inside I'm like, I'm a baby and I want to prove myself. It's like, so obviously exactly me anyone's like they hear that and they're like you know but at least it's

not like double a scorpio or anything which i love a scorpio but that would be hard what's your what's jason scorpio oh that is i don't know what i'm really batting a thousand here but totally he also because he he he does no i don't know i'm going to find that out actually i'm going to that's hot by the way like no offense scorpios are insanely hot yeah oh totally 100% I like love them. Andrew, you have all that cancer. You're like a, you have the water. You have the water connection.

Yes, we do. That's, you're completely fine. I'm obsessed. Say hi to him for me, by the way. That's like a good one. I'm like, wow, you found like one of the only what seems to me normal people that have been on The Bachelor. I'm really.

Yeah, it's, uh, the ratio is not good. I believe me. As, as I can tell, I'm like, this is a pretty weird scene. But my thing is always. like I ask my friends, I'm like, what type of like personality type are you as far as what response would you give to, will you accept this rose? What do you mean? Like, like, I always ask my friends, like, what is your answer? Like, if you go up and they're like, will you accept this rose? Like, are you like an absolutely or are you like, and of course, or are you like an always like what's your,

I'm trying, I'm always trying to figure out mine because it's like, I feel like it says a lot about a person. I want to go insert clips and go back because I don't remember what I said. I want to say I was a simple yes. That's like the most classy chic anyone could, but I'm like it's brave because you like want to just like stand out there and simply state the fact that you're saying yes, not like begging for it but not playing it cool either. I feel like I'd be like, of course,

which then I'd walk back and take my place in line and be like, why do I say that? It's so stupid. I might have said, of course, a couple times. But yes, feels like, you know, when Beyonce goes on the view and they're like, you are Beyonce and she's like, thank you. Thank you is my favorite thing to say and responses that it shouldn't. It has no place.

Anytime my best friend Miles says anything to me, he'll be like, you really shouldn't, blah, blah, blah. And I'll be like, thank you. It's the perfect. It's thoughts to all things. Or when somebody like compliments me, I always go, oh, thank you for your honesty. I appreciate your candor. that was rich thank you that's incredible that makes me very happy i feel like you were going to ask me

another question though about signs or it was really just that and it was also like oh well one question is do you get to like know each other's like when it comes to the okay you know how they're always like i only came on this because i because you were the bachelor but then i'm like but then you all show the ads that are like apply now and i'm like we don't know does that do they tell people or do you just apply hoping that it's someone you'll like like come on let's be honest well i i applied thinking it was going to be one or for one pablo's season i'm dead and then i watched the season and went okay thank god that didn't happen and then they actually called me a year later and we're like are you still interested

and i had no i just thought they weren't going to call me because they didn't pick me for one pablo's but they called me a year later and some people do sign up knowing that right is and want to be there for them some people don't give a shit some people are like You know, when I did go, I was hoping it was going to be Chris because I'm from a small town and I was like, farmer life. Yeah, I could do it. So yeah, but I always ask people when they come on my show, if they watch the show, how would you exit the limo? What would your limo entrance be? Oh, God, this is the worst question. Okay, Miles and I always take bets on. We do bets as like, for all the limo entrances. We're always like, okay, like I say there will be a horse. There will be

an American flag. We bet like money on the things. We'll be like, someone will come in and like, a sports car like there will be a chicken outfit like we always try to like guess the things that we know there's going to be someone will bring up a food and put it in his mouth or something which is always my upset I'm like please don't put food in people's mouths that's something that just it just bothers me people seem to think it's either hilarious or sexy don't kiss with like a mango between you I really don't like it but no I feel like okay here's my my thing about the bachelorette and the bachelor's whole thing is like because I'm a Gemini my approach is always like I'm like, I would be like you where I'm like, I'm normal and I'm like healthy, vaguely healthy.

I'm normal. I'm here for you. Let's cut the shit. Like, I want to connect with you and make sure you know like, sure, some might be more flashy than me. Some might be wearing the dresses, which is another thing. I'm like, do you have to bring all of your own wardrobe with you? Yes. Yes.

Unless you're the lead. But if you're a contestant, yes. That's out of control. I know. My mind is blown. I bring three suitcases and one of my favorite stories to tell and everyone that listed in my podcast knows this already, but I feel like you'd appreciate it.

One girl brought seven suitcases and got sent home night one. Stop. Stop. That is litter. That would be me. I would be like, but I'm normal and they'd be like, we don't care.

We don't have room for all this shit. It's so funny how similar weird. That is exactly what I wanted to do. Getting out the limo, I asked if I could not wear a cocktail dress. I was like, can I just wear what I would normally wear? that's so cool they wouldn't let me though they were like no you got to like do the format and and wear the dress you should have put like you should have done like a like a tear away dress and underneath it been in like sweatpants no i did so at one point yeah i was like at least let me put on yoga pants and um at one point in the night and teach him how to break dance which i did you are so cool

i feel like that would be my thing as like being like i'm like the cool one i'm here for you this my whole angle would be like this this is weird. I get it. Like, but how are you? Like all the like talks to the side. Exactly how is it going? Like, are you okay? Do you feel it's kind of weird, right? But like it must be weird for you. I would be so that person. And I feel like I could make it pretty far. I feel like I'm definitely one that would be like, I would either be sent, be one of the one that's like sent from hometowns because my dad is like, I don't like you. And he'd be like, I don't want that. Or I'd be like the one that's like kicked after fantasy sweets or I'd be like. like maybe God help me. My big fear is that I would get into like, I'd be the one that gets into an altercation with another person and then I have to go on the double date and I'm like, that's

my word. I'm like, don't, you can smell it coming and you're like, please don't. Don't do this to yourself. If somebody creates drama, do not, it's tempting. You think you're helping, you're telling him but then you're the one who's going to get sent home for reporting the thing because you're not paying attention. Does that, like, it's a whole

thing. all righty there vinos it's time for some romance you know what time it is my peloton romance roundup and i know recently we've been talking about zach's season but obviously may and i got very into all things bachelor on today's episode so i thought we'd go a little different direction okay i wanted to know about your meet the parents slash family stories i know we get to see Zach and his women go through it but a lot of us have been there before our ourselves and it just doesn't always go so well. Sometimes it's bad, maybe just plain old weird, but we all get through it with a little help from our vinos. I just love you guys. I love how every

time I post on my stories or, you know, in my Facebook group, I get all your little dirty deets, your secrets, your vulnerability, you just send them my way. No questions asked. That's why I love you. But before we get into it, a quick word about Peloton who sponsors our romance roundups, which is really funny because I'm recording this hoping you can't hear Jason in the little gym we have above my podcast studio. He's literally rowing right now. Peloton workouts are made to work for you. They really have movement for every level, no matter where in your fitness journey you are. And they're rower. It works 86% of your muscles in just 15 minutes. That's what my dad actually has one at home. I was just there. I used it. And 15 minutes is approximately, you know, how long some of you

lasted before the meet the parents went downhill. Sorry, I just had to put a little roast in there after reading all of your guys' stories, but it's a dang truth, okay? I'm going to keep these anonymous because some of them are pretty embarrassing, even though I'm always down to publicly tell you my confessions and embarrassing moments, but I'm going to protect you, okay? Okay, so one person wrote in, I met a guy's parents during parents weekend in college. We were just talking, so I thought it wasn't a big deal. His parents recognized me, and we're like, oh, you used to date Chad. This is a fake name. Turns out I was talking to his cousin at college and I didn't even know, but I apparently had met them at a family event that he wasn't at. So we ended our

relationship after that and it was very awkward. That sounds awkward. I'm sorry that happened to you, but hey, it seems like he had a pretty cute little family. Okay, so someone else wrote in after our second date, my boyfriend insisted on coming to meet my parents. It was 10 p.m. I was hesitant. I was hesitant. We woke my dad up who had fallen asleep on the couch in nothing but his underwear, which I've never known him to do before. And after an awkward handshake in introduction, I ushered my boyfriend out of the house and went straight to bed mortified. I feel like that's kind of like a dad move, though, you know? He was kind of asking, this guy was kind of asking for it too. Like, why did he want to meet the parents on your

second date at like 10 p.m. when your parents are sleeping? That sounds like a him problem, okay? All right. This one is good. A Vino wrote in, not my story, but I hung out with this couple in New Orleans a few years ago. They are in their late 60s now, and they have been together since they were pretty young. She was raised by nudists. And when he met her parents for the first time, everyone was butt-ass naked, him, her, and the parents. He said he didn't know where to look, but that it was so normal for them. Now, I can't even imagine, but truly in some cultures, that's normal. And like, maybe we're the weirdos for having so much shame around our bodies. Let's all just get naked and make it a thing. You want to? No? Okay. All right,

here's some quickies for those who responded to my Off the Vine story question box rather than sliding into the DMs. Somebody said I got bamboozled with a surprise introduction after I said I wasn't ready to meet them. Rude. Met my fiance's parents for the first time and we played cards against humanity. I'm going into that. My mom missed her chair and fell. My dad and I cracked up and my boyfriend didn't know how to react. Gosh. Wait, why does that make me sad for your mom? My boyfriend's dad ordered the hottest wings and was sweating and panting during the

whole dinner. I feel like that's just something Jason would do. But, you know what some of those moments weren't quite as romantic as what we all strive for and neither were moments of Zach's and his women, okay? But romance is a tricky thing and we got through it. And speaking of romance, you could try the Peloton Row risk free with a 30-day home trial. new members only not available in remote locations see additional terms at one peloton.com slash home dash trial no I was so terrified of that happening me where I'd have to go on

the two on one like that was my biggest fear and I tried to stay out of a lot of the drama but also still trying to be entertaining enough at the same time in my interviews but like see this is my sense of humor I'm not actually serious does he have control that worked like do they have, like, do they actually completely have control or there has to be a producer being like, you have to keep him. He's completely insane. And he's so, you know what I mean? Like he's a much. Definitely, they definitely, like, I would be like, I really would like to send this lunatic home. And they'd be like, but he's really entertaining for your season. Like, maybe just one more week. Yes. I feel better. And that's, I have to ask you your thoughts about Zach because I have been like gobbling this season up.

And I need to know what your thoughts about it are. So I actually missed the first four episodes and I was like, I don't think I can do it this season. And then I watched one and I was like, and I'm back. 100%. I'm obsessed. I got to tell you, it's like, I was like wondering because, you know, I remember on like Rachel and Gabby season, which of course, that whole mess of him screaming, I love you off the thing at like 17 people off the after the fantasy suites. And Gabby was so cool. I mean, Rachel too, obviously their camaraderie. But like Gabby being that. whole situation where she was like, don't, I'm not doing this. I don't like that. I'm out.

Like, that was so chic. But then like, I literally was like, okay, this guy, Zach seems like a really great guy. I also felt so bad for the guy who is the sweetest. Tyler, is his name Tyler. He who like went home. I was like, he's so nice. I mean, he obviously went to paradise, which is I'm so confused about as well, the whole paradise setup, which I'm, I love. But, you know, he's great. Oh my God. I'm, it's so I'm like, you should host that. I would love to because I feel like I can like bring the party. Yes. And also just like I would look like a drowned rat.

My hair doesn't do well in heat. Just, no, they have. Yes, exactly. It would be so fun. And I feel like that would be incredible. But I'm obviously obsessed with Paradise. And last season was completely psycho. But I feel like this, you know, Zach, I was like, okay, I don't, I'm not really getting

to see enough of Zach. Like, I was obviously blown to it. it's when his uncle was Patrick Warburton. That was the first time I really, like, tuned into him. I was like, that looks exactly like, oh, my God, Uncle Pat. I was very excited about that. But I was like, you know, he seems so nice. He seems so genuine.

But I was like, the only thing I remember him doing is talking about like cup of Joe, the beans, you know, that whole, that's iconic to me. That's the problem. That's the problem. And that was part of why I actually had to apologize to him because I called him boring. And I was like, oh, my God, nobody asked for him to be the bachelor. Why are we making him the bachelor?

And then I was like, well, he's part of the family now. I got to reach out and apologize and say, you seem really nice. I met his family. They seem lovely. Yes. He's good looking. He's tall. He's handsome.

He's sweet. He's all the things. But here's the problem. We didn't get to know him enough on Gabby and Rachel season because Gabby and Rachel had two different seasons going on. And we're like, who the hell is Zach? So now we're wanting to get to know Zach and we're not getting to know him and we want to root for him.

But we don't know him. That's exactly. It's so confusing. And it's kind of like, you know, it's the thing like how I kind of how it's I felt with, even with Tasha, with her having to come in midway and then keeping the same guys, I was like, okay, inherently, this is a problem. And the fact that we're all just pretending like it's not is a big problem, like them being like, I'm just so in love with Claire, it's Claire, right? I'm so in love with Claire. And then being like, did I say Claire? I meant Tasha,

I'm so in like, you know, I was like, you guys, come on. That's not fair. Like she deserves the world. But anyway, I remember with Zach, it was. I was like, what are we even going to be getting here? and I remember the nation being like fuming about it at first. And then I have found this to be one of the most entertaining seasons. I feel like every time I think I know what's happening, something else happens. And I am like, I'm obsessed. I love his season. I love the women.

It feels new and interesting to me. There's something there. The final four. I really agree. I feel like there's something about these four women that they're all very relatable down to earth while also being entertaining and like being like good people they care about each other

there's no cheney the shrimp isn't being eaten it's like a very like you're they always like Zach will walk in and they're all like hugging and being like don't send her there's like this emotional bond and there really wasn't a bunch of like hideous drama I mean I am a little confused about Greer like yeah me too what why did he and why did they I don't know I feel like they

did her a little dirty with the sales thing. Like, I feel like she was trying to relate. Sure, it wasn't the same. But I was like, let's not snap it Greer. She's doing her best relate. I probably would have done the same thing, trying to bring something up. You know what I mean? Well, and she probably had a whole previous conversation with a producer like, should I say this?

Or should if I say like, and they're like, yeah, that's probably a good idea. And then they're probably like to Zach. They're probably like, how could she say that? She tries to relate this to her work. I can't. I can't. That's so fucked up. Also, another.

Don't make him set up his own Zoom studio ever. Don't show me. Don't do that. And don't put the iPad on the couch at an under angle. Oh my gosh. Put it on a tripod with light. It was sitting. They women walked in and the phone like the pod was like here.

And they were like, hi. And I was like pick up the thing. Put it on the cat. I was so dirty. I was like, that is not a good angle. And also I was like, if you make Zach set up his own Zoom and a row ceremony can be a Zoom, so can a break up with Greer. Don't make her fly to freaking.

Budapest just at her. That was like, I couldn't believe if I had been her, I would have been like, you know what? You and fuck you and you. You're putting me up here for three weeks. I don't care. Like that is the just so unkind. I hope they did too. I'm like, give her a little vacation. But like who do you think? Okay, last night was tough. The thing with charity was tough. I honestly didn't see it coming. You know what I mean? I thought that he was not going to be, I thought he was going to be too afraid of Ariel's family. Same. That's exactly what I thought was going to happen. And also, we don't know, I'm spoiler-free on this season, but a lot of people are wanting charity to be the Bachelorette.

But I thought, okay, if people are wanting that, they'll probably keep her around until third or he'll know if he isn't, if she isn't the one. So I did not see that coming. I totally thought he was freaked out by Ariel's family. Yes. And then Gabby's family, they, I want to like be adopted and they feel like the demilios, like the, oh, I know, yeah, they were all just so lovely. That dad was so sweet and like, I know, I died. Kevin. I couldn't believe it. I was like,

this is insane. I truly, I mean, I have a feeling. It feels like he's really connected to Katie. Am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. He's so, Zach, one thing about Zach that I like and that sucks is that he's so predictable and it's all over his face. And it's not trying to play games or do like throw the thing or whatever. And I do feel like he genuinely really cares about all of them. And he genuinely doesn't know. He's, he really wants to make sure. sure he's doing the right thing. Yeah, Ariel was on her date when the brother was just like roasting him. Oh, my God. I love how her brother was trying to be like the, I don't believe in this show. I'm the tough brother that's going to like, you know, that people are going to hate. And then it's like, what's her birthday? I don't know. I'm trying to find a wife here. We're having more important conversations than her birthday. And the brother was like, but, but, but her middle name. Yeah, gotcha. And Zach was like, again, not really the kind of thing that I was worried about.

We're actually talking about politics and religion and how we, like, do with money in real life, not middle-maists. The wife was like, the wife of the brother was kind of like looking at him like this, why, she was like, why am I here? Why did you pull me aside? Like, why did I come with you guys for this pull aside? She was like, I'm sitting at a barrel and a winery. By the way, Ariel's mom, unbelievably chic. Why didn't we get to talk to her more? I was like, you?

I was so bummed out about that. I'm like, is she so famous that she's like, I have to hide? She was giving raging famous vibes. she was giving chris jenner vibes oh my god like European chic sunglasses at night scarf and i wanted to not like it when i thought i wanted to not like it when i thought i wanted to be like who the hell is the whole thing she is but i loved it i loved it all you got was that one moment where she leaned over into like whispered something to ariel's ear and i was like what did you say i wanted to know so badly so do you think it's going to be charity though the red then is going to be the red

I think so, but nobody will tell me the truth over there. I even message them for that. Like, I would be like, what did Ariel's mom whisper to her? And they're like, Taylor, we're not telling you anything. You have such a big mouth on your podcast. But it's just a whisper. Can we just know? I even asked, I was like, are we making Charity the Bacheloret?

And they're like, you know, we can't tell you this. I'm like, every time I just think someone's going to have a slip. But I could see it. Charity or if he doesn't pick Ariel, Ariel, no, that's how I. say my girlfriend's name. Ariel. You think Ariel? I think she'd be a great bachelor. I do, too, but do you think they would go for it? Because I feel like, what's the angle? Like, what, what would their angles be? I guess Ariel's would be sort of like, I'm opening up. Like, she's like been more like mysteriously hidden. Yeah. Yeah. And the family is like.

And she could carry a whole season. The family would be entertaining. Oh, she's got major gravitas. That I do. What is that? Major gravitas. She's got like, wait. It's like when somebody walks into the room and you're like, oh, he's got major gravitas. It's like star power. You feel the weight of it, you know? I'm stealing that. It's big. Charity will be so good if she is because she has so many emotions.

Totally. And she's a therapist. And she's a therapist. Give me a break. Oh, she's like, I know how to fix other people's lives, but I'm trying to doing my own thing to find mine. I mean, I can, the law of lines write them themselves. And her family was just adorable.

Had brother. Oh my gosh. Totally famous. like superstar i was like can we get a sidebar episode of just this man which they could if they maybe pick her and also i think they're leaving us on a bit of a cliffhanger of like what did her ex do to her to make her so hurt you're right how she will deserve the love that she finds on the show oh my god how about his big i do have to say Zach i love you so much but i him really pushing this narrative of you deserve the love i can't give you i have to say that's become like a household statement now

every time to my dogs I'm like when they want to treat I'm like I'm sorry but you deserve the love I can't give you you deserve the chicken nibble I can't give you like it's it is there's just something about it it's like it's hitting me just right but it was a little too I know he means it but I just like am curious I wonder I wonder and by the way how about the mentalist I just have to ask like oh gosh that was nuts I mean I totally believe in that stuff so I wanted to believe like that okay But for God's sake, you can't just say every word. And I also was, like, shocked at how much it completely unraveled everyone. Everyone was like, that's it.

I can't. My life's over. This is the worst thing that's ever happening to me in my life. I was like, okay. Me too. And I'm insecure. And I'm really, I'm sad and broken inside. Yeah, yeah, right.

Sad and broken. You know, like it was like, I was so excited. I would have been, I love those dates. So that's like, I'm like terrified of the bike riding dates. but then like when it's like the deep therapy I'm like here we go I'm getting that group rose baby oh me too they had me host Clayton's therapy like group date and I was like he picked the right person for this my god Clayton I know oh my gosh but you're right though Zach is so you see it all is Oliver's face he does have the best connection with Katie I believe and it just seems like

oh how convenient they're both in the same city oh my god like they've been together forever Honestly, convenience alone. I'm like, imagine not having to be in a long-distance relationship, just being like, should we just go home? I mean, that's iconic. I have a little, like, biased towards her because I'm Canadian and she's actually Canadian, even though she lives in Austin. I was like, why is she talking like that? She's saying a boot. Okay.

Yeah. I feel much better knowing that because I was like, something is giving me northern area vibes here. It was a dead giveaway for me when she said grade eight instead of eighth grade. I was like, I remember that too. Yes, you're right. I was a dead giveaway. I think you're right. Also, even the night of the museum date, I was like, okay, I have to be honest, this is not fair at all.

Like, you, they basically got a, you know, fantasy suite in a museum. You can't do that, like, spending the night. And then she walked in and her hair was must up. Like, I was, like, hurting for Gabby when they, and it was so sweet. They were all like, did you have fun? You spent the night. Like, everybody's like, faces drop. I was like, I was like, we got one of those on Crystal season.

We got to go camping and spend the whole night camping. but he got way too drunk and passed out so we don't I mean again moving on but next week they're saying the whole fantasy sweet thing I'm assuming it's that he makes sweet sweet love to Katie other people are upset that's why I think he's not going to make love to the others do you think he does I don't know I can't see I can't see I'm I want I'm Gabby's too tender for this I'm like let's give Gabby like she doesn't

need to be doing this. I feel like Ariel's like, whatever. She's like, look, there's nude people in the hot tub. Life is crazy. We all live on. I feel like Gabby's like, I have a healthy family and I just want to be doing a healthy thing. And I feel like we could find her someone. Yeah, she needs a wholesome, like somebody not on TV. Totally. I really don't want her to go to paradise. I do because I love her, but I don't want her to because she's too pure. Who do you think's going to paradise from this season? Cat, original cat. Cat, blonde cat. Yep.

Everyone, I feel like so many of the girls are going to be going. There was so many. I mean, honestly, I would love to see Greer. I mean, I feel like she needs another chance. We can't be, you know. She's going to get a redemption. She's going to be redemption. Because do you remember how she said in one episode, she was like, people just like,

don't know how to take me at first. But then once they see who I am, they warm up to me. That's going to be her own paradise. We're all going to warm up to her. I agree. I 100% agree. But like, so how do they choose the guys to send to paradise from old seasons? It's weird, right?

It really is. They really throw some curve balls in there sometimes. Like some are very obvious. Some are complete curve balls. And yeah, I have no idea how they cast for that. I remember I did a yoga. I actually went to a yoga retreat in Mexico. And this was like years ago before I watched the show, which I'm like kicking myself for.

And I remember I was like doing this yoga. retreat and everyone's still all like from like somewhere and down on the beach we'd hear like yeah yeah like music and all stuff and I was like what the fuck going on down there and then like somebody was like they're shooting this like I don't know reality show at the play at the resort next door and we share a beach and they're like doing and I was like weird I've never heard of this and we would like take a boat past and it would be like you know dickinis and like swimming and drinking and yelling and I was always like oh what is this and now of course I'm the biggest fan of all time I'm like, know that beach, like at the back of my hand, like this last season with Genevieve and Jill.

I mean, my mind was blown. Like, I would be, I would be so excited to be there. And I have like, if anybody listens to this who's on The Bachelor or Bachelorette or in any of the nation, if you follow me on Instagram, you will give me a reason to get up in the morning. It's Mr. Garf, M-I-S-T-E-R-F, because I have already discussed, I have lace and I have, and I talk to Danielle all from the island last season. It was some of the best days of my life. So just like give an old lady a treat and, you know, hit me up with a follow so we can just, you know, speed this process up. You've got a new follow and me. I feel like we're friends now.

It's already, it's a done deal. I'm serious. We're going to be needing to communicate through this next couple episodes because I need support. I am here for you. And we can always recap any episode. You can come on anytime. I would love that. And I'll give you all the behind-the-scenes scoops on the phone.

I literally just want you. you to know that I'm like for our next episode I have like full like notations like deep questions so just like make good on this promise to bring me back and I will be entertaining I promise you are literally one of the easiest people to talk to on the podcast it's so fun I appreciate it it's I'm so happy but before I let you go I do want to know about your new Hulu series coming up yes please it's called up here um it's really actually really cool because again I've been doing this for 10,000 years. And I have, I feel like I like to do things that I've never done before. And like I really want to host, which again, it must be a Gemini thing. Like, I want to host

something. I can see you. You know what I mean? I think it'd be really fun. So like some kind of travel thing or food. I love eating. But I think, you know, this something that attracted me to this project was that it's a musical. And I've never done that before. And I was so terrified to sing in front of people. Like terrified. Obviously. Yeah, I can. I'm starting to learn that it's okay to say that I can, even though, you know, my self-deprecating self wants to be like, no. You wouldn't be in this role if you couldn't. You can. That's, I guess.

There's a thing called auto tune, but I, luckily, we didn't have to rely on that too much. I mean, it's like people, it's like the people from Hamilton. It's the people from Book of Mormon. It's the people from Frozen. And like, it's like, you know, who wrote tick, tick boom and dear Evan Hanson, like, we have the most incredible group. So it was like, and it's all original music. So it's basically an original musical, like all these original songs.

put into eight episodes and it takes place in 1999 so the clothes are so sick the music is so sick I love it's all there's no phones it's like though you know legit we're all terrified of Y2K it's like it's iconic sounds awesome because it's really good one the 90s were the best and music around that time is everything I'm a theater nerd I love anything that's a musical like I will be so obsessed with the show when did it come out it comes out on March 24th it drops, if you will, and it's really funny and really smart and really entertaining and I'm really proud of it. So I hope everybody likes it and watch it so that we can get a season two because it's, it'll be rad. Yes, let's watch it. Let's tweet about it. Let's Instagram about it.

Watching, tweeting, tagging. Tick-T-T-T-T-T-Sach that, subscribe like. Smash. Smash. Smash. Smash. I love it. Oh, my gosh. Well, you were like a complete delight to talk to. I'm so I've been looking forward to this for like months and months and months. months. I truly loved it. You're so cool. We really are friends. You'll never get rid of me. I feel bad for you too. Yeah, I feel the same way. No, I feel bad for you too. So I feel bad for us, but it's... I feel bad for us, but happy for everyone else. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Off the Vine. Don't forget to rate,

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