Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelor Recap (Just a room key?)

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

For this week’s Grape Therapy, Kaitlyn is joined by the ladies of the Chicks in the Office podcast to discuss the latest Bachelor episode! The girls chat about Madison’s virginity and what they think about her wanting Peter to stay celibate for the rest of the season. They also talk about how they would love to see spoilers because they have no clue who Pete is going to choose and also his short appearance on another woman’s story?? Then they give their predictions for the next Bachelorette and then make things a little interesting with a bet. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. All right, welcome to this episode of grape therapy. Usually it's off the line, but today I'm with you guys on grape therapy because we're doing a Bachelor recap. Hell yeah. Yeah. You guys are like, you're good on Twitter and stuff with Terp and the Bachelor.

Yeah. It's so good. It's one of my favorite pastimes. You're literally one of the only people. You and Evan Bass, I'll retweet when it comes to Bachelor tweets because you guys are so good. Before we get into that, let's give Invisaline some. more free advertisement. It's like, okay, I was, oh, I guess I should introduce you.

Chicks in the office are here. I feel like everyone knows. Hello, hello, what's up? If I say, you're the best bachelor tweeters, twaters, they're going to know it's you. I would hope. I would hope so. I feel like we've kind of engraved our name in that place. And like the luggage guy Trent?

Yes. Killing it. How did he get that gig, by the way? He has been wanting to be the luggage guy for years now since. He manifested. Since he's been tweeting The Bachelor, he tweeted out. And then he reached out to Robert Mills on Twitter and was like, hey, if you ever need a luggage guy, let me know. And Robert Mills was like, okay, you need to fly to Peru.

Get down there. And he told Trent that nobody has ever asked to be the luggage guy before. Wait, please tell me he had to pay for his own flights to Peru. We had. Barsal paid for it. Okay, okay, okay. But still, ABC didn't do it. Maybe now that he's becoming like a state.

people. Yeah. He's going to be the luggage guy forever. Hopefully. He will, the thing is, is even if next season, they were like, you can do it again. Yeah. And we're still not paying for it. And Barstle was like, we're not paying for it. Trent would pay for it himself. Like, he loved it so much. He flew to Peru for a day and a half. Like, you got to love that commitment and the passion. Yeah. And the fire. A lot of passion. Yeah. That's amazing. To be the luggage man. You know what? It kind of inspired me. I was like, what is something so stupid. but that I want to do, right? That I can start manifesting and ask someone to be like, just tweet it out a billion times. I'm going to do it. Yeah. It works. Invisaline.

What's funny is when I got it, I mean, it's quite expensive and I paid for it. And when I got it, a girl that reached out, she's an orthodontist. And she's like, well, I could have done that for free. And if you want, you can actually, like, transfer and go with me and get your money back. And I was like, I actually am going to pay for it because otherwise I would not wear it. Right. Right, right, right. I don't know.

You need to, like, know that you're losing money for this. Yes. I need to know that my, because I'm like, that's a lot of money for straightening out my pretty straight teeth. Right. It's not like I've got crazy. Right, right. But nine months of commitment, I'm like, if I do it for free, I'm not going to wear them. Yeah.

I'll throw it in a napkin like you did. Yep, yep. High school? High school, yeah. I would just throw them in my napkins at lunch and then end up throwing them out. That's why I never finish them. My top teeth are straight and my bottom ones are not. Same, look.

Yeah, yeah, we got the same thing going on. Oh, my bottom teeth, they're like that too. Really? Yeah. But I, so. They look straight. No, I, too, my two middle ones. Oh.

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to look at it from the higher angle. Right. I don't notice it on either of you when you're talking, right? Do you notice it on me? No. So I think the thing is we notice it on ourselves when we look in the mirror and I talk.

And I mean, it's definitely like a mirror often. It's definitely a me thing. It's so stupid. And then I get, I'm like, oh my God, your teeth are so crooked. people are staring at that, and then I realized I never noticed people's bottom teeth. If your top teeth are crooked, then I start noticing, yeah, there's a problem at hand. But otherwise. Some of my favorite smiles are crooked.

It gives people character, and here I am trying to be perfect. How does that go again? Crooked smile. I don't know. I have no, honestly, I can't sing it right now. That's so funny because I couldn't think of it either, and I put you on the smell. I was like, you know, like, crooked smile or something like that. Okay, what was I going to say about cricket teeth?

Oh, you know what I'm actually going for is the becatilly smile? Because her teeth go outwards, like her smiles really wide. And that's what Envisaline's going to do for my teeth is wide in my smile. And I'm like, yeah, it's perfect. It's called a class three, one might say. What? I think. Do you know the Envisaline terms?

Because my mom's an orthotech, and she would tell me when I was younger. We're going for the class three. No, because, like, Hillary Swank, she has that smile, like, goes all the way across. She'd be like, that's what your teeth can do if you get in this line. And it doesn't. A good sell. Yeah, exactly. It's all in.

I didn't finish it. So, unfortunately, I don't have that beautiful smile. But it's still close. Yeah. I guess we should stop talking about teeth now. There's The Bachelor to talk about. There is. Okay.

Just overall, what are your thoughts on this whole? Yeah. Let's do a little, like, yoga moment first. A little deep breath in. It's tough because people are getting really angry and like really invested into this season where more like I said this morning I just wish we were yelling about Colin jumping over a fence like something stupid like we're talking about real life problems and everyone all of a sudden in the show becomes so serious and everyone's like how dare you say that about Madison I'm like I thought we were laughing about this show right same I get scared of what to fix I'm like. Like, oh, like, people are so... This season got real. It got real, real quick.

Yeah, that's how I feel about it. Like, let's just watch the show from the hours of 8 to 10. Yeah. And, you know, we'll discuss it then. And then when that's over, let's just be friends. Like, let's just talk about our lives. Like, there doesn't need to be... It doesn't need to be taken to real life.

I feel like people are, like, actually fighting with their friends over the Bachelor, which doesn't need to happen. Thank God I'm not fighting with my friends, but, like, I did get into an argument with this man on Twitter. who had like 14 followers about bachelor and he was like you know exactly who you think of course this kind of person like a picture of glasses right his his photo was him like after he killed a massive turkey like he's holding a turkey and so he and it was just like basically he was like how dare you shame Madison for her virginity and all like all this stuff and I was like I'm not shaming Matt and he was like replying to all my tweets like Fran you're so stupid and fake like I'm

like, sir, calm down. This is The Bachelor. Right. I always laugh so hard at those ones because you're like, you're literally on Twitter tweeting about The Bachelor. And we've said so many times how much we love Madison. It was just like this was the moment. Right. That was the drama. Okay. So we love Madison? See, I do like Madison. Yeah, I like Madison, but this is what I, like we're talking about, hate about this because you can like somebody with also disagreeing with them in some ways. You know what I mean? Of course. Of course. 100% Madison is a virgin and that's her beliefs. And that's fine. I'm not judging her for that at all. Like that's, I thought it was like really powerful how she stood there and like stood her ground and was like, this is what I believe. I don't want to change who I am. Because some people could just fall into the place where they're like, okay, I'm just going to follow what they're doing because everybody's doing it. She's like, no, this is what I believe in. So I totally respect that. I just think that the piece that people are forgetting here is that Madison doesn't just not want Peter to not have sex before with other people before they get engaged. She just doesn't.

He doesn't want him having sex in general. Like, they're not going to have sex. He's not going to have sex with anybody else. Like, she left out a part of information that Peter thought he was like, or is falling in love of this girl, but he doesn't fully know her. Right. Because there is this big piece of information. And you could say sex isn't everything in a relationship, but it is kind of a big factor.

It's a big factor, and especially to someone who's not a virgin. So you got Peter who's not a, clearly not a virgin. We know him. Peter loves sex. His parents were raising the roof for him to have sex. Like, he's a big sex guy. Yeah. And then Madison, knowing that, is on there for him.

So it was strange to me that she left out that information until this far into the season of fantasy suites. Now, I wonder if that was a producer, you know, saying let's hold off until fantasy suites. But if you're, you know, if you're going to go on there knowing this guy's not a virgin, you can't expect him to stay or to be born again on this show. Right. Especially, I don't know. he okay I always I had this argument that the last few weeks I was like I think he just knows what he wants and now I'm like no he just proved my theory wrong right I was I was the same way too I was like he is just going through running this out until he can pick Madison that's how the show

works like you can't just send all the girls home when there's six girls left and the show's over like he's got to drag it out and then after that after the fantasy suits I was like oh I guess not like maybe I don't know or just the the forbidden fruit was in front of him and you just couldn't say no. And then I'm like, okay, what does intimate mean? Like, he didn't say I had sex. He said I was intimate. Does that, was he just saying? He definitely had sex. Considering they won't even say the word virgin right now, I think that. I feel like he probably did that for the women too. Like, it's a nicer way to say. Like, oh, yeah, banged her. Exactly. Like Hannah Ann watching this at home and being like, oh, God, like, right. Right. Because then they'll be like, oh,

you just respected me. It's not Madison's business, you know, which I think they bring up. See, I this because I do not like Victoria F and I hate that like she may have brought up a valid point I hate it but when it's more or less like she's taking Madison not necessarily

taking away from their relationships but she's making it seem like she's the only one there and maybe Pete did know that he's going to pick Madison and then that's where she's thinking if you know you're going to pick me then why do this but does Pete know he's going to pick Madison I know we want to believe

he's known this whole time but Pete hasn't known anything this entire show so how are we supposed to all of a sudden believe that he knew this he's been all over the place this guy that's very fair like love him or hate him I feel like this was the first episode he was kind of starting to come into his own and like have his own opinions rather than being pushed in a certain direction yeah and that's so true like Victoria does make it damn it Victoria I know I didn't want it to be but it was like the one valid point that I was like you know that's fair I mean it sucks because she said you know know, Madison can have her beliefs and that's fine, but it was, he's like, that's unfair for her to say that to Peter and be like, but then I don't know, like she, Peter, and I, this is

where I think maybe the producers had something to do with Madison, not straight up saying, I am a virgin, because she's tiptoed around it so much that I'm like, she has tried to tell him multiple times and maybe she had to stop herself when she got to a certain point because they were like oh you can't drop the virgin bomb until fantasy sweets right but instead she was like you know these i have very strict values like these you know my faith is so important to me like she said so many which was different versions of it to peter he had no idea what she was saying he was like what are you actually said he was like what are you saying like if i spend a night with the girl you're done like what do you say poor peter like so many times just he's like so

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that Madison even said anything? I think that... Because I know you're big Madison fans. I think that it's very confusing because she kind of told the half truth. Like she kind of dipped her toe in the water and was like these are my beliefs. And I feel like

Peter maybe thought in his head, okay, well he didn't think she was a virgin. So he was like, okay, she's going to be upset if I sleep at somebody else, but this is the show and I'm allowed to do that because I need to know fully. I'm about to get engaged to this woman. And sex clearly is important. Yes. Peter believes that sex is important. He wants to know if he has that sexual chemistry with them before he gets engaged. Fair point. Just how Madison's allowed to

say, I don't want to have sex. They're both allowed to feel that way. But I feel as if because Peter didn't know she was a virgin, it changes everything. If Peter had known, she straight up has never had sex. This is a totally different story. But he was at her hometown. You can't tell me you walk into that hometown and think this girl's not a virgin yeah right i mean i or she could be rebellious i guess yeah you know sneaky freak who knows that's but i just i feel like because that information was not told that's a problem it's not about the fact that she's a virgin and that she wants him to wait it's that she didn't tell him these things how was he supposed to fully know the extreme length of what she really believed a boy like he's still a boy he still needs if anything we've learned

from this season that he needs shit spelled out for him like he really like he really needs a piece of paper like a list like he needs it truly spelled out for him so I just and I don't know if maybe he thought like oh she this is a moment where she's kind of jealous of maybe the other girls or she's insecure and she doesn't want me having sex with the other girls no girl wants the other guy to have sex like nobody I don't it is very possible that in Peter's brain he wasn't like, oh, she doesn't want me to have sex with the other girls because that is so important to her because she's saving herself for marriage and she wants that to be between us. Like he didn't have that because she didn't give it to him. Like, so I'm thinking in his

head, like, he's like, oh, well, you know, she kind of said it, but then she backed off and then she kind of said it again, but then she was like, I don't want to tell you what to do. So like, you make a great point because he's probably just left that conversation being like, okay, so of course she doesn't want me to sleep. I'm sure Victoria doesn't want me to sleep with other women, I'm sure. Hannah Ann doesn't want me to sleep with other people, but they all are here and know that that's part of the show. And Peter's gone through her before.

Like, he probably thinks, hey, I went on the fantasy suites. I had sex. Right. I didn't want her sleeping with the other guys, but like, that's just how it goes. Right. He probably thought that she was just like getting in her head. Yeah. That's so interesting.

And people keep bringing up the point where they're like, you wouldn't want the boy you're getting engaged to sleep with other women a week before. Of course not. Of course not. But I am not on the back. where he's dating multiple other women like my boyfriend is not dating multiple other women while he's with me that's the problem fantasy sweets become the line that we're like yeah yeah yeah he's been dating other women this whole time making out with them dropping l bombs yeah yeah meeting their families

you wouldn't do that in real life either right stay with the guy who's like he's like I'm in love with three women I'm in love with three women I'm in love with three women I tweeted during the show like I was like it's so funny like remember Ben Higgins when Ben Higgins was like I'm in love with two women and everyone lost their shit. Everyone was like, this is the most traumatic this show has ever been. Ben's in love with two women. How could he do this to Jojo and Lauren?

And now Peter's like, yeah, I'm in love with three women. And we're all like, okay. We're like, classic bad here. I'm sure. I'm shocked. It's not four. Like, I would be. It would be if there was four there.

He would just be in love with all of them. And I don't even know if he's really in love with any of them actually. Because the thing is, I think that we've seen him and Madison connect the most. Like, when I see them to. together. I'm like, they have real chemistry. I see it in their eyes. He has that big dumb going. Yes. The chemistry is just jumping out the TV. But they also also didn't show it enough this season, I feel like. Are you saying between him and Madison? Yeah, I feel like him and

Madison. They barely showed any, I'm sure they had many cute moments together. And they were showing the drama the whole time and not really showing Madison. Well, look, this episode gave me so much PTSD because of a few reasons. But one, it's like when you, this is what you, this is what makes me think he could pick Madison or she could be the one because it's like when you do pick that person they cut out so many of your cute moments because they don't want the viewers to know right and when you are have that natural chemistry and it's like jumping out at you you really have to limit the screen time that they get otherwise it's like game over and we already thought it was game over from their first date when he met the family yep also man if someone had just told me

before fantasy sweets hey if you sleep with everyone I'm going home I'd be like oh maybe I have to rethink my decisions, you know, but nobody said that. Yeah. But anyways, I was watching it being like, oh, God. Yeah, I'm so glad I'm out of this now and I am where I am. But yeah, it was a wildly boring episode for Fantasy Suites, I thought. Yeah, I just, I think I hyped it. Chris Harrison hyped it up too much because he goes on Instagram, the season finally starts

tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, shit, what's going to happen? And then I'm like, I kind of saw it coming that Peter was going to tell her that he was intimate with other people because they set it up for us. Yeah. They showed it in the trailer. Right. Yeah. So we're like, yeah. This is definitely, it was definitely the moment

that we've all like been waiting for. And I don't think, we didn't get any new information. That's why it's different. Like, we watch, it's like it's like watching a movie where right away, you know the main character's backstory. But you, but the other characters

in the movie don't know. So you're just waiting for the other people to find out. You're like, okay, when's it going to happen? And like, fantasy suits, finally, here we go. Peter finally knows Madison's story that we've known this entire time. Right. And then I think about all the three girls living together, which is so

how mean was that? It's really mean. Like, it's nobody wants to, you know, you can be friends with, they're clearly all like, don't hate each other. No, they're all friendly enough where they like try and fake it, but it's just so awkward. I died when she was like, you're so skinny. Yeah. You look so tan.

I was like, oh, God, stop. Please. Yeah, I just wouldn't be able to do that. Like, I'm like, all right, guys, let's just maybe not speak for the rest of the night. I was like, why is no one being honest? So why can't you go in there and be like, this is awful? Like, I like you, but I can't look at you right now, knowing you're about to go sleep in the same bed as a guy I'm in love with.

And also the-todily, why? I feel like I would say that. I'd be like, this is weird. The girls all know about Madison's values. Like, the girls all know that Madison feels this way. So, like, they're like, that's going to be awful for them walking back in the next morning and being like, well, I'm back. I think that Hannah Ann and Peter had sex because I couldn't get a read on it.

Like, they did that whole bathroom where her hand was on the, or not bathroom, door. And I just couldn't decide because when Madison was talking to her about it, I thought that there would have been a facial expression on Hannah to admit that she did do it. The hand on the door felt too dramatic. Right. It didn't happen. Maybe they just did a little foreplay and then they went to bed. Like they needed something to make it look really steamy. So they picked that one shot and it was like.

But what? Where was the steam coming? Like, I have so many questions when that happened. I'm like, did they tell them to go back in? Maybe they pre-steam up the windows. And they do that and they're like, we're going to make a little funny Titanic moment out of this. Like, I don't know.

Because it was too, like, where did the steam come from? I get a steam sex, but no. Do they stop fantasy suites while you're in the fantasy suite? Like, do the producers are like, all right, all right. Yeah. Reshoot. Yes. Wow.

Until they leave. Until they leave. And then it's free for all. Yeah. They totally. Yeah. So I'm like, they could have just sent them in there and been like, do a little funny, like, sexy moment.

How long do they leave for? Because them actually having sex in the bathroom with knowing that they were outside the door filming feels like something neither of them would do. Right. So then they leave and give you, you probably have like from midnight till 10 a.m. Yeah. Well, that's not bad. Maybe a little earlier.

But did you see that Victoria was clasping something in her hand when she was hugging him by after the fantasy suite? People said it was a jewel. Yeah, it looked like a jewel or maybe wings or whatever. So I just went straight to the source. So I messaged Victoria, and I was like, what the hell is in your hand? Just tell me. And she was like, well, full disclosure, oops.

Yeah. It was just the hotel key. Oh. Oh, wow, that really, you really set us up there. I know. I feel completely disappointed. Thank you. I was like, keeping it for, you could have lied to us or.

She could be lying to me. She probably is lying to me because they probably said, if you're going to tell anyone anything, don't tell Caitlin shit. She will spoil it on her. Also, she wrote full disclosure. it's a key, right? Or did you just say that yourself? No, she said that.

It's not really a key. She's probably just... Who is? Damn, I believed Victoria F? Who knows? Who knows? I mean, are they allowed to have, like, jewels and stuff? Wait, she is a master manipulator.

She just played me. She could have. She could have easily. I don't know. They were so happy after their fantasy sweet. Like, that was more obvious that something happened where, like, she or her, you know, she's smiling,

ear to ear, she was like, what a great night. They didn't show Hannah Ann in the morning. No. They only showed her walking back. And then, which makes me, it honestly makes me think that he did not have sex with Hannah Ann and maybe did with Victoria. I think if he's going to have sex with Victoria, he's going to have sex with Hannah Ann. You think? That's what I think.

Like, why would he just have sex with Victoria and not Hannah Ann? Because he probably knows he's sending Victoria home. So she seems like she'd be a little firecracker in the sack. Oh, 100%. That's why I think Victoria F was a lot. I think Victoria F is a lock for fantasy suites. Because that's what we were, like we had been saying, you know, when I thought Madison was easily who he was going to pick and he was riding out, I was like, well, yeah, he's keeping Victoria F's so that he can have sex with her fantasy suite. And then I'll send her home and then, you know, he'll be able to pick Madison.

But then, you know, Madison hit him with don't have sex and everything blew up. All right. So Mr. Chris Harrison was telling me about this crazy party Hulu through in Beverly Hills with all the biggest reality. TV stars from like every show and now I have to watch the commercials to see what happened like everyone else I don't usually get fomo but in this case I have extreme fomo here luckily for you Hulu has the reality TV that you love so start your free trial today at Hulu.com everyone is also comparing it to Luke P and saying that it's a double standard what are your thoughts on that it's tough because they both like

Luke clearly has his values Madison clearly has her values I think Madison won about it in a way more respectful way. The delivery was a lot sweeter. Like Luke spoke down to her and I feel like made her feel bad for wanting to have sex and for like making those decisions. When Madison I think was more, this is what I believe in. If you, I'm going to stick to my values because they're very important to me. And it's going to be hard for me. And then like even afterwards you could tell it was so hard.

She was so emotional because she really. likes him like i don't want to tell you what to do yes like this is right i think it i think she went about it way way differently yeah right and i think that um like hannah i think that in this case peter and madison should both be respected in the way that hannah brown was respected because luke pete was just wrong like he like we said he just was controlling and he talked down to her but hannah's values are the same as pete's really like i want to have sex and that's fine jesus still loves me Right. Whatever. Like that's totally okay, which is why I think that when people are like getting on Peter about this whole thing, like why wouldn't you just wait? Well, then why did Hannah have sex with Peter four times when she picked Jed? Right. And also Tyler was the runner up and she didn't have sex with Tyler. You know what I mean? Like there's different. Peter was third option and she had sex with him four times. Right. So. And we all celebrate. And we all were like, yes, like good for Hannah. She's having sex. So like I think we can respect Madison's feeling. and beliefs, but also respect Peter

for wanting to have sex with the other people, because that's the same thing Matt Hanna did. Everyone's like, yes. It's just a combination, blow up. Yeah, like it's just like, I feel like it's the first time. Either of them are wrong. Exactly. I feel like it's the first time whenever, um, the majority of people are seeing both sides. Like, usually

people side with someone, but it's like, why we can't criticize Madison for her beliefs and we can't criticize Peter for his beliefs. Sex is important him. It's something she considers sacred to her. And, but if the thing that just throws me for a loop is that her saying like like I think she kind of expects him to wait till marriage too for if they end up together yeah and that's just like strange to me because I'm like but he's we kind of know him for it's just unfortunate because

that's just what like everyone's missing everyone's forgetting to talk about that yeah it's just it's tough because that's but that's like a real life struggle of how people who have similar beliefs but of varying degrees I guess can affect your relationship in the real in the real world like that's a real life problem that they would have to deal with yeah so it's like it's hard because he and i nick had a nick had a great tweet too he was like pete's making the most uh what did he say he's like he's making the most of the groceries that he didn't buy to like make a meal right like he didn't pick these girls right like he's trying to make them most of the women that were chosen for him.

That is a great tweet. It was a great tweet. And I was just, wow, that really just, that really just hits. Like, he. Yeah, that all, you're like, that's so fair. Peter, Peter can love this version of Madison that he has had throughout the show. But then real life Madison could be kind of different.

Right. And if she wants him to make that kind of huge sacrifice, like that's a huge decision for of course he's going to have to he would have to come to terms with like okay then i'm not having sex until i until i get married because that's how much i love madison but maybe that's right if sex is important to someone yeah sometimes they need to have sex with someone else to if you're picking it sounds so stupid when i say it's picking a wife no like i really think peter thinks that that's a very important part of having that physical relationship in with the woman that he wants to marry could have changed he could have slept with hannah and i've been like

you know what? It wasn't there for me. Now I know for sure it's Madison. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like clearly defensive about this topic. I'm like, yeah, he had to. Yeah. To get order to figure it out. Yeah. But I feel like that's a great point. And when people want to say this show, they want to keep saying, oh, it is real life. It is real life. Well, that's real life. Like, you know, that's a real life point. You know what I mean? Like if you want to throw that that whole thing at us, like. Yeah. But also some people really enjoy sex and want to have sex as well. Yeah. I know. It's, it's hard. because you can see and respect both sides and I feel like that's a kind of a first for the show. Yeah, it is. And people are getting angry about it, really angry. About which part? Just everybody's opinion, it's like, you can't say anything

I know. Without, like, you being wrong or like, I just... You good? I'm good right now, too. I'm not. What a beautiful sound. I get what you're saying. I just feel like this season is so hard right now. Like, it's got like mean girls like can't we all just get along it's like let's all not hate each other for our bachelor opinions it's so extreme like people either have to like be so on one side like so madison is right and we hate everyone else or so like peter's peter's right and he should

it's like they can both be it's right what's funny is the drama now is not in the house these girls actually all get the drama's on twitter yeah like these girls are clearly like you don't want to be in the same room as the guy. And Hannah, no, sorry, Madison clearly has her opinions. And they can still have conversation and hear each other's point of view. Yet the viewers are the ones just spewing hate and drama. I've seen a lot of people say like, you know, if Pete, and I, you know, I had tweeted something along those lines too, kind of as a joke. Like, it appears Peter wanted to have sex more than a lifetime of happiness with Madison. Like he, he, he, it's all, you know, it's fun in games. But it's he like wants to have sex yeah it's important to him and you can't like you look people like

oh well past bachelors or bachelors like when they know that that's their person they'll refrain from having sex or they know that's what's going to happen right and they and they you know they throw that out there or they're like if if peter really respected madison he wouldn't have had sex with the other girls but i i mean there's just you can understand that point but also you could and look at it from so many angles. But also, like, he values sex. Yes, it's important. And also, once again, Madison doesn't want him to have sex at all.

Like, there is no, it's not like he's having sex with Madison at the end of this, because he's not. He has to get married to Madison to have sex. Now, if Peter knew that earlier on, would he have kept Madison around for as long? You know what I mean? Maybe that would have been a different story from him where he has to realize, they met on the street. and then he realizes, I really like this girl, but she's a virgin. Realistically, this probably isn't going to work for me.

I have a high sex drive. I want to have sex. I can't be sitting around her every day and not want to have sex. It is interesting and kind of sad to the contestants. When you think about it, like, this is the hand I was dealt and I'm going to work with what I've got. Because you're like, maybe I wouldn't pick you in real life, but you're top notch on this show.

And like, I love your values and your family was great. Like, it's just so crazy that you do only have a certain amount to pick from. And I think that's two reasons why it's so hard after the show is, one, you really start dating after the show and you find out who they really are. And two, I totally understand why it's hard to relive everything when that person's yours now. But you always have to go back to the show that you're on. Yeah. And not only is that person at the end picking you, you're picking them too. So you can't hold it against them

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I'm just curious What's going to happen at the end Who he picks There's so many theories I know What do you guys What's your theory My theory is

that he Madison leaves because she's sticking to her values and then he's like all right well I guess I'm going to pick Hannah Ann and then and then which is which I would advise him not to do I think that's a bad choice he and Anna Han he and Hannah Ann have like a sibling relationship in my eyes I know it sounds like so gross but they like I do not see that chemistry between them at all but I think Madison's going to come back like I think that there will be a conversation where either Peter goes after Madison or Madison comes back

and we see them have some sort of conversation I think that Victoria F gone next like there's just she's out and she's not even a thought like they don't even talk about the fact that she f***ed multiple people's relationships up like she's just an afterthought and then it's down to Hannah Ann Madison

and Madison's just it's a whole disaster with them and I think what's left Victoria F yeah I think that what's left to be found out now is whether or not Peter a single or if he's with Madison. I think that's it. Victoria F. kind of wins

in this whole situation. Honestly, it's terrible to say, but how... All the drama, all the fighting, and at the end, nobody's going to care. I don't even really care anymore. Right, I'm like, I'm tired to talk about her. She had sex.

He's not going to pick her. Like, it's... Meaning she had sex with Peter, not. She had sex with multiple people's husbands. I don't like that. That's where I'm like, okay, how do we not speak about this for a little longer on the show,

but it's because she's a manipulator. She got Pete to forget about it. Do you think they're going to talk about it on women tell all? 100%. They will address it there. I think she's just going to deny, denied, denied. Yeah. She's only denied.

I think she's going to pull what she did to Peter. She's going to get all emotional cry, start getting defensive of other people. Ooh, Chris Harrison will be so good at that, though. Be like, Chris. And he'll be like, no. You're serious? Like, I think, yeah. Are you serious?

It's crazy. I think, I hope Harrison, like, like, rebuttals against anything. like, and that says like, okay, but this is what people are saying. Yeah. I wanted to take a moment to talk to you about something I absolutely love, which is being 100% yourself and enjoying whatever it is you love, no matter who might be judging you. We're almost done with the second month of 2020 now, and you may have made some resolutions

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So why wasn't she there? Who? What did she say? So you, I mean, you can say you saw it on the Reddit, right? Yes. I saw it on The Bachelor Reddit that somebody had asked her, asked her. Yeah. And she said I wasn't invited.

Yeah. I don't really know how you, like... See, it makes it seem like I go on the Bachelor Reddit. How do you not invite her? When I check it like once a week because I like to get... It's informational. Yes. And get all this information, I wouldn't have known Kelly wasn't there. The season that has a billion questions, you're looking for answers.

Right, all the time. People have been trying to find the spoiler forever. I go on there. I'm like, give it to me. I know. People have been dying for a spoiler. But no, I think that's, I don't know, very. strange. I feel like sometimes

they don't invite certain girls just so that Twitter is like, oh my God, why is Kelly not there? Like, does she not want to be there? You know, and they make it something bigger than it is when in reality she's like, oh, they didn't ask me to go. Right, because they probably know she's

not going to say that much. She's very normal. I don't think she was invited. I think they're going to play it like, oh, well, we didn't think she'd be into all the drama. But the people want to see her on women to tell all. We like hearing a little breath of fresh air of realness. I said this. I don't think this is true, but wouldn't it be funny if all of a sudden it's just like Peter wants Kelly and that's why she's not at the woman

tell all. The whole ending is just because he goes back to Kelly. I mean, it could be. It can't be. There's so many possibilities. It can't be, but that would be hilarious. Why can't it be? Because there is, we have no clues to that. I feel like to the ending. I have a little clue. Ooh, tell me. Jason was with Peter in Miami. Oh, true. And Kelly was there. And Kelly was there. Yes. And did hear that. No. And it. it's so funny Jason's like Peter is a vault

I think Peter really I don't know I think he forgot about Kelly at this element I think he's single or like

cusp single because and I've seen the same thing so in Miami Super Bowl yeah he

there was a couple girls from CST Key the MTV show and they were I guess at the same party

and they had posted stories so Juliet had posted a story with Pete and just the way he was in the story

like you can't like Julia was like oh here's the Pete like Pilot Pete the Bachelor and Pete said something along the lines of like oh like if I had a rose right now I'd give it to you like something like so bad like that it wasn't up for that long she deleted

it because and I went to like I went to go look for it in the morning and I was like oh my gosh she deleted it damn it but it just cracked me up because I was like that is not a man in a relationship or maybe it was and that's why she had to delete it because she was like her in so much trouble and he said on our on our show

what do you think about this he was like like, we asked him if he was happy and he was like, I could say that like, I followed my heart to the very end. And he like really put an emphasis on that, which made me think that he was single. No. You know what I mean? Because he like, or is that just something they say? Don't believe that. Because I, my season was really different because I accidentally did spoil the ending.

So I had to go like, like, I had to interview with People magazine and they were like always ask, are you happy? Yeah. And they told me to say, um, I don't really know how to answer that or certainly. Oh, because you spoiled it. So they wanted people to think, yeah, yeah, I'll believe whatever he's saying, like, it's just, he's trying to confuse us. He loves that there's no spoilers. He's trying to get us just like.

How is there no spoilers? This one season, there's no spoilers. It's driving me nuts. Does reality Steve say anything about why there's no spoilers? Listen, I don't, I didn't want to spoil it because we go no spoilers. Yeah. But last night, I had enough. I was like, I need to look up spoilers because I am, I can't.

He's got nothing. He has nothing. From January, like, beginning of January, he has nothing. Which ruins the whole theory that there's like a mole in the house that goes to him. That's why I think he's kind of in now with ABC because he won't spoil the ending. You know what I mean? Yeah, they might be paying him to. Who?

Oh, they're so serious. That is so true. This is getting out of hand to the show. If ABC is just fed up with the show getting spoiled every season, so they're like, look, we'll write you a fat check to not say. This is also such a great way to get people talking about this season because we've been like there's not a lot going on. But yet we're all talking about it more than ever. Right, because there's so many. I mean, and then it went from the beginning of the season where everyone was like, oh, my God, Hannah Brown.

Maybe Hannah Brown comes back. What is it? I think I've decided that I am sticking with. I think Madison's going to stay. Okay. I think she's going to come back and be like, I'm going to try and do this. Yeah. I think he's going to send Victoria F home.

It'll be Hannah Ann and Madison And then as he's like About to propose Chris Harrison comes and he's like We just found out Madison left She's gone She's decided she couldn't do it And she's gone

And he has that panic attack on the bed And he's like I don't want to pick her And then he's like Who is that about? In that moment with her leaving With her gone He realizes like oh my god She was the one I can't propose to Hannah Ann

And then it's over Like it's there's he doesn't pick anybody Right And then he chases after Madison and that they bring her all back on the live finale show and it's him pleading to be with her

and that's a live finale though months after like that's the only way I think it's not spoiled there's got to be something like maybe Madison was like I've got to wait it out we knew that we knew that Hannah and Jed weren't going to be together though

when because of everything leaked like do you think that they film something in between the show ending and then the live finale that they'll play on the last finale and then we'll see him come out and we'll know what happens rather than it be like yes yes very like Ari picking the wrong yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm picturing or Colton going after Cassie yeah which then I'm like are they setting us up for Hannah Ann to be the bachelorette then

because I am not sure about that one so that's what I kind of nothing against her there's nothing wrong with her there's just not a lot there to be bachelorette and I think what we've seen there could be you know yeah I think that needs to be pointed out more that there's nothing wrong with Hannah Ann. We hated on her in the beginning and I saw some theories of what people said. She seems like such a sweet girl. That she stopped getting manipulated by the producers because at first like with the champagne thing

she fell into the trap and then she realized I'm going to stop because we realized within a few episodes she was completely normal. We didn't hear from her much. Chris Harrison said at his teaser she's in the middle of all the drama. She wasn't it seems like they wanted her to be the villain. They did so many, they did

modeling things left and right so that Hannah Ann would get all jealous. Meanwhile, she didn't. Like, there was just, she was just nice. And then they switched the narrative where, like, hometowns, everyone's like, wait, she's great. And then you're like, oh, already buttering us up for Bachelorette. She's so young.

She's so young. But how old were you when you were the Bachelorette? 30. No, it's 29. It was 29, but I turned 30 while it was there. I just, look, I think Peter, like, Peter's, what, 28? But, like, I think we need, I don't think we can go back to back 24, 23-year-old Bachelrette.

Like Hannah Brown, 24, and she really did not know what she wanted. Like, I really think she- No one does at that age. No, and it's so hard. Like, I really don't think Madison does, and that's very rare. Yeah, with, like, the options that she had, like, I don't really think she had known, but going through that process, like, it helped her figure out who she is, which is fantastic. But, like, Hannah Ann's even younger.

Right. And I'm going through the same thing again. Like, I just think we need to change a pace. We can't do two back-to-back, Hannah and Hannah-Anne. They didn't give us enough. I can't, I can't take that. They didn't give us enough. No, I'm sorry.

They're both such. Oh, I thought you're talking about the wine. Oh, no, no. I was like, oh, my God, not the wine. I was like, when I went for another poor, I thought she was like, I can't do that. No, no, no. Drink away. I'm talking about a double-header, Hannah, Hannah, Ann.

Yes. Oh, no, no, no. They didn't give us enough substance with Hannah Ann. Like, every, the fact that Victoria F gives us. us the most substance in a conversation is crazy and Madison but I'm just sitting here thinking like Hannah Ann has not given us

enough to root for her as a bachelorette and maybe that will be different if she gets her heartbroken or he switches his mind and I'm like are they really going to do that again though? It's kind of like Hannah G. Yeah. Hannah G she was really hand of yeah so too many yeah but Hannah G she was so sweet we were rooting for her

we're like she's so nice and just a nice person but we didn't see a lot of her and it wasn't like we were like we very want Hannah and G to be the Bachelorette. Nobody was really saying that. We're like, she'd be great on Paradise. We really like her as a person. Yeah. But there's not much of a story there. They haven't

given us. And she was so great on paradise. She fell in love. And now they're great. So maybe Hannah Ann will go on Paradise. She'll get the same type of thing. Who the hell is going to be the Bachelorette? I don't know. Do you think that like... I think they might dip into Colton season. Yeah, Colton season. I think Tasha would be great. Tasha would be great. I think some people are saying...

Tia. I've seen people saying Telsie. Some people are saying Kelsey. Some people are saying Kelsey, which I don't want and I don't think that they're going to do but uh I don't know let's think about what we thought about Hannah B right right no it's very true everyone was like there's no way I I I just want I just want someone that is a little bit older and I that is probably a just that's a fair ass but that's like me going on the bachelor right now I would I just I'd be like yeah I'm too young to be here I don't know what's going on you're self-aware and you know that and I think well first of all. I think you're one of those that is a little more self where the most younger

girls. Thank you. But I just feel like there's no one I'm rooting for at this point. The drama comes with the younger kids though. So it's like, yeah, but you can do that with the cast. Yeah, yeah. You want a lead that can hold emotion conversation. They can like play like with the producers, but also stand their own ground. Just someone who knows what they want. Someone who we're like, yes, we can relate to that where a lot of this is not very relatable right now. Yeah. And you can have the drama with all the people who come on the show. Yeah, Hannah Ann, you can just tell how young she is. Like, how old is Madison? I don't even know because I don't see Madison. Madison's the same age. And Madison, I think, might be a year older. Maybe. Maybe. Madison, I don't even think about a age.

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them at a certain point of my life. Nobody in this room has. Okay. But Hannah to me, and again, no judgment because I think they look great. But to me, I'm like, you look too young to have those. Oh, wait. She has fake boobs, right? Yeah. I'm like, she just... That did take me by surprise when I found that out. I was like, wait, but they don't... She looked like such a young

little woman with fake boobies. And I'm like, again, all for it to each their own, and I'll probably get them at some point in my life after children. But like, she just looks so young that it like doesn't seem right and i think it also comes a lot with her relationship with peter like i very i think it would be very different if maybe hana ann was on paradise and we were seeing her flirted up and she's with a bunch of different guys and just like a different vibe for her her and peter really just have like a brother sister vibe to me that i just and i think that

makes her feel younger than she is right that is so fair like it's like i feel like peter's talking to his little sister yeah and i think that's why it makes her seem even younger than she is because she and Madison are the same age and we're like Madison like let's pick Madison did you notice the kissing thing yet no I haven't noticed what's the kissing thing so there's this thing I've noticed about Peter and Madison that when they kiss

there's no tongue and they just like do birdie kisses they're like okay but I did that on Chris Soul season because I was like I can't do tongue on TV like that's what I kind of figured from it I was like maybe she because I also feel the same way like I would not have I would never

exactly I would never want to be filmed making out, like, I feel like it would, I would look very strange although I've never seen myself making out somebody on video. So I would, I would refrain from doing that as much as possible so that I wouldn't have to see myself making out of the video. But it's something

I've noticed difference between him and the other girls, whereas, like, Max, you have made fun of when you have more tongue. Yeah. Yeah, people are, wow, they're really wow. They know, but also, like, sometimes it, like, is better. You know what I mean? Like, if we're getting a little more sexual, like, the tongue is better.

but you do see a little i really want to know if we'll find out at the end who he was intimate with if that will you know come out as right it's just such a mystery and which is kind of fun because usually every season there's a spoiler and somehow someone ruins it for me and i've ruined it for people i dms you know and then it's kind of fun not knowing yeah we can't find spoilers it's amazing i'll never i talked about this before i'll never forget like the seasons where it gets And I can handle it if it's spoiled, like, three weeks from the finale. I'm like, okay, whatever. But when it's like the beginning of the season, like when Becca, Becca season, TMZ just

straight up posted a picture of her and Garrett before the show even started. And I was like, I was just scrolling and I was just like, that's it. The whole season's over. Like, how is it? How in this day and age when everything, like how are they going to move forward as a show to not spoil it? Because I think they see the value in that now. Yeah.

where what how are they going to do that later and like like i don't know there's going to have to be maybe some kind of social media situation i think they tested the water with it um with um alea this season like having her having her leave and be able to be like in the real world and then have her come back and be like i had my phone like let me tell you what's going on right like that's something that i feel like we'll get implemented as we as it goes on because because everyone freaked out about that like she was like oh here comes elia she's got all the drama she was on reality steve for the last week yeah this is like on love island when they do the game where they read the headlines yeah and everyone finds out what people are saying about them that's

a great concept yes i i love the concepts but i also think it's hilarious because we read the headlines then we read the article they're just getting the headlines where the headlines it is accurate of what the article says but we all know headlines right like scream a little bit more than, like, what's the actual information? Imagine Victoria F. and Peter, like, on a date, and they're like, this headline was wrote, right about you. And it's like, Peter in tears after date

with homewrecker Victoria. Yes. And then Victoria F's and they're like, oh, shit. That's actually a really funny. Like, the Jimmy Kimmel mean tweets. Right. I mean, there's, that's it. There's no story. Yeah, but just just mean. They're just mean.

I mean, there's so many times. Even Harrison has wrote me a text before I've been like, you think the show should end really I saw the headline and I'm like you're better than that yeah come on read the actual story I didn't mean it I thought that for a second then I went wait actually this show's amazing and I wouldn't

have a career with him right no I take it back I also love how you call him Harrison oh yeah it's just so cool I just like Harrison my mom now calls him because of me CH I always call him CH thanks CH we went out for dinner the other night and I'm just like to me he's just

like everything he's a father he's a brother he's like a mystery man he's a friend like he's so many things that i'm like i can't call you chris harrison because that sounds too much like i don't know like your tv yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because on her everybody who does not know him and watches him on tv like us he is chris harrison yeah so he will never be chris he'll never be chris you guys need to have him on the pot no we're trying we would love to we never had him on but he would totally do it i know I think that we've never, like, reached out to him on our own. Oh, we've always tried to, like, go through people.

It's hard, too, because you probably don't want to do an over-the-phone. You want to impress it. He's not in New York that often. Exactly. We'd want it, like, sitting down. He's done a pizza review before with Dave. He did. That's my dream.

Yeah. Okay, can I tell you a confession? Yeah. I mean, I might as well. Here we are. Yeah. And I've had a couple glasses of one. Yeah, yeah.

That's fine. Me too. I'm, like, feeling pretty good right now. It's 12.30 in the afternoon. I love it. I'm like, all I have to do is fly home. Or it's Tuesday. I don't even know what to have. I'm like, oh, where are we? I, when I found out that he was following me on Instagram, I had a bit of a moment. Dave? Yeah. Oh, man. I'm sorry. I just, that just cracks me up. I mean, he's our boss. So we're like, it's obviously different for us. For me, I was like, I feel like he doesn't really, like, do that. Like, I feel like he wouldn't be the guy to go follow.

I'll give you a hot tip Okay He follows a lot of pretty women on Instagram I guess I'm like a little bit like naivor I just think of myself as like a funny girl Like I just think of myself as like a hot girl So I'm like you're a hot funny girl Wake up sister

You are both Caitlin Brousseau Thank you for saying that I think I don't think I'm ugly but I think it's funny Like and so for me I'm like if people think that I'm like but he doesn't follow like bachelor girls Right Well he follows pretty pretty girls He's dipping his toes into like the bachelor

world. I feel like this season, he's gotten way more into it because he had like a, he met Victoria P. in Vegas. Who the hell is a Victorian? The blonde, the nurse. Remember the nurse? He was really nice. And we were like, why did she go home? She should be getting married to Pete right now. I thought she was winning and she got sent home. And he had met her in Vegas and they like, you know, he said that she was the real deal.

And then he was like, she's going to win. And we were like, no, she's not. So now he's been like kind of tuned into the season, tweeting about it, whatever. He gave me shit in the office this. morning. No, no, no. But I'm just I'm just like, I feel like kind of into it. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. He gave me shit in the office this morning. He was like, bad take on Twitter last night, Fran. I was like, calm. Calm down. What? Great take. Well, he, no, he like tweeted this whole

thing that he big, big on Madison's side that it's so fair that Madison would ask him to not sleep with the other women and he should have not slept with the other women because Oh, please. It was, yeah. Yeah. No, no. The thing is like, He was pandering, I think. Yeah, and you could also fight back with Dave, like, he appreciates that. Okay. Well, my dream big, Caitlin, is to do a pizza review with him. I'm sure he would do it.

Really? Yeah. Should have probably thought about that before I went on to them. We'll tell him. Okay, would you? Yeah, so maybe next time you're in New York. But don't make me look all desks. Yeah, like, I won't make you look thirsty, but I'll be like,

Caitlin also wants to do a pizza review. Yeah, I'm a little parched. Yeah. I have a little like spin five years. Okay. She really loves pizza. Yeah, no, we'll spread. We'll spread the word.

We'll say you follow her on Instagram. We know. Yeah. And also, he's what made me realize the pizza double zero, which is the vegan pizza, which I went to and it's delicious. I've been there too. Very good. It's so good. Is that the place you went to?

The vegan pizza, remember I was like, I'm going to. I'm going with my friends. I thought it was going to this place. My friends picked it. I was like, can't we just have regular pizza? But it was delicious. It was very good. Okay.

I'm glad you agree. Yeah. We'll be right back with more off the line. Grape Therapy Now back to off the vine Grape Therapy Okay, so predictions Who, just put it out there right now

Okay, bachelorette Who does he pick if anyone And, oh, let's do a betting thing Let's bet on something for the women tell all Okay You just stick to this though, like we're gonna Venmo each other Like let's put money on the line Okay, let me think about this first

You guys tell me your predictions and I'll think about a bet Ria, would you like to go first? Okay. Name the predictions again. Bachelorette and who he picks, if anyone. Oh, okay. Who he picks, if anyone, Madison. Mm-hmm.

And Bachelorette. But wait, wait, wait, wait. On the finale. On the finale night, if he picks anybody, it's Madison. Okay. Or he's single. Okay. And for Bachelorette.

Dun, done, done. I know. It's so hard. I wanted to be Tasia, but I'm going to say Hannah Ann. Yeah. I feel you on that I always had the same thought I won't cry about it too much

I'll watch but of course We're all going to be like this all the best season ever when it happens Absolutely I'm going to go That he Picks no one I think the finale is the end

And he picks no one And both girls are gone And that's how this season is going to end Whatever happens afterward I don't know But I just feel like this is a no pick okay no pick and bachelorette i really like have the same feeling as you rea i just feel like i would love it for beat for it to be tautia i'm trying to think of like some of the

other women in the bachelor world that i love but to be honest so many that i love are like in relationships i'm like yeah you know like there's a ton that i but or they were you know people People also, I see a lot of people who say they want Hannah Brown to be the Bachelorette again. See, no. I would not watch that. I think it's too soon. I really love to. She can maybe do it down the line, but too soon.

I've actually changed completely because I remember before Hannah's season started, I was like, I don't want her to be the bachelor. Now I love that season. Great season. I love Hannah Brown. Like, I totally support her all the way. I do not want to watch another season. I think that for her sake, she needs to take the time to not be on the show, experience real life, talk to people in real life. You don't need this show again.

She tweeted about being on ABC for like a year straight. She was like, and I was like, that is so true. From the bachelor to bachelorette to dancing with the stars. Like she was like, I was on all like Mondays for the entire year. And not just involved. Like fully on your TV screen as the person. She won Dancing with the Stars. She won Dancing with the Stars.

Like she was, and I said the same thing. Like her season was so great that I don't think you need to go back and do that again. Leave it where it was as a high rating great season. crushed it. Leave it there. You don't need it. Do the real world. Although the outcome was not great, you looked great.

Yes, exactly. So just leave it at that. Exactly. Nothing. If anything, it was just like your guys looked like idiots. Yeah. I mean, not Tyler or Peter, but Jed. Yeah, Jed is big idiot.

And she just came out on top. One dancing with the stars after. Just like, leave it there. Now chase something and you'll find a guy. You don't need the bachelor anymore. Yeah. I could see. So I'm going to say, like, and I just don't think it could be Madison.

I feel like the bachelor to bachelorette timing is so quick that it would be hard for me to believe that, like, with all this drama, with Madison, that she's ready to be the bachelorette. You know, I kind of, like, I need to be, like, convinced a little bit more that they're, like, ready to jump into that, which is why it really could be handed. Do you guys even want to see another virgin as the lead? Now, I'm not, I'm not judging virgins by first. We always put so much focus on this too much. Like, why can't we just have a normal person who just... Sometimes they like having sex. They're not a virgin.

Just somebody who just enjoys, enjoys the casual sex. Let's just have that. Not Peter, not Colton. It's either super sexual or a virgin. And they put all the focus on that. Let's just have a middle ground where they're maybe focusing on the relationship instead of everything else. It is very different with Madison, too, because we've had virgins who have been like, I'm a virgin, but I'm waiting for the person that is my one true love that I know I'm having

that connection with. Like, Colton was never, I'm saving myself for marriage. Like, it was a different kind of tone to it. If Madison is the Bachelorette with that kind of being the premise of I'm saving myself for marriage, it, I just would have a different vibe. Yeah. We do think Colton has had sex now, right? Oh, I'm like 99.

I mean, I'm pretty good friends with him. I know that we're, I know that we know, but. But it hasn't been said. Yeah. I just want to say, what about in his book? Does he say? I know. I don't know.

I just want Colton to tweet. I had sex. I don't. Oh. Yeah. It would be the most liked, retweeted tweet. And it's not because like, I know people say like, oh, you're like, two days after the finale. The entire season was about him being a virgin.

So like, let's just. And he's played a lot with it. You know. From that finale. Totally. Tell us. How did we not get the answer to that? We did it.

We're all waiting. for and he was just like I don't kiss and tell like are you kidding me yeah do you know who you are what the season was about yep all right so my next sponsor is one that I've absolutely loved using lately and can't stop recommending to friends and hey now to you too my notes let me ask you a question who doesn't want to find the best brands in all lifestyle categories combined with fast free one day shipping free returns and 24-7 customer care no one that's who but you shouldn't have to scroll through hundreds of products or read reviews trying to spot fakes in order to get one day shipping. You guys know I've had my issues with getting fakes delivered,

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Oh, and we're putting money on the line? Yeah. Are we saying girls? Like how many girls? How many girls cry in total? How many are on the woman tell all, though? We need that number. Ooh.

Who, what was the beginning cast number? I mean, there's always like 25 to 30, but it won't be that many. I would say, I would guess there'll be 15 to 20 women on the women to all. Let's set the over and under at, um, eight. At eight? At eight, I was going to say, I was going to say seven. Eight's a lot. I would say, I would say, let's do seven because then the over would be crazy.

Okay. Over under seven girls crying. crying maybe we need to lower it well wait because no i i could name like four women off the top of my head we'll cry tammy tammy will cry alaya no lea has no soul alea totally cry but wait do we need to see a tear or can it be like that no i think i think full tears wait really i think whining counts oh no no no no not whining but the whole we got to we got to find crying then you got to see tears okay what about your eyes watering up but no tear drops if it's like one's about to fall yeah then we mark it

okay so we'll set it at seven okay okay i'm gonna go under i'm going under okay then we have to go okay so to somebody have to go over like i'll just take you know go let's go five five okay five i'm i'm still going hunter oh wait i'm going i my guess is four damn it same k four okay wait we can't we can't we can't make it But this shows how much we know about it over under real quick. This really shows how much we know about gambling. You're going to say seven? Seven.

Okay. So what would you set the over under at so that we could say? McKenna. McKenna's going to cry. Okay. So let's do. That's so fair. She's my friend.

Let's say that. I love McKenna. I think she's fantastic, but she will cry. She's only my friend because she's like one of my good friends best friends. But like I'm like a friend. I'm like just followed her this season. But she's from my hometown. The under would be four.

Let's set it at five. Okay. So whether you think it's over five or under five, I say over five. Okay. I'm going under five. Shit, let me think about this. Victoria, McKenna, you're right. It's going to cry.

Victoria P might cry. McKenna, Victoria, Victoria P. Who else was the cry? She could be a cry. Yeah, I'm going over. I'm going over. Kelsey? We're not even counting Kelsey.

So I'm over. I'm hitting the over on that. I'm going to go under. Okay. So you guys both go under. I'm still going to stick with the under, but. Okay. And how much more are we coming on?

There's a lot of possibilities. A lot of possibilities. 100 bucks okay is that a lot no that's fine okay hundred bucks okay i'm ready to lock that in okay so what happens though so if it's over then you both how about you both venmo will be 50 so it's like 100 in total okay that's fair and then but then wait how's that fair on the other i was going to say because then if it's under if it's under so maybe does peter's mom count yes oh she does oh my god if peter's mom counts no no no no we can't go to his mom not that's a girl that's A lock, that's a lock. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Guys, I don't know how we do it because

So what if it's five then? I'm scared. What if it's five, then we all lose. Then it's a push and we all lose. Yeah. We all, okay, that's fine. Okay. Yeah. So you guys both Venmo me 50 if it's over five and then what happens with you guys? We don't know how betting works enough. Yeah, yeah. We'll take 25 each. Yeah. We'll keep it at 50. Yeah. But don't you guys have to Venmo each. other as well no no because we're oh so i'm betting it's just me versus you guys yeah pretty much okay that's cool i'll venmo you guys okay you can venmo it's 25 each so i'll be 50 yeah 25's not that fun like i kind of want to be 50 each go ahead we're gonna be fair if you guys are both going to venmo me 50 each i said venmo 50 to both of you okay okay one more bet it was one more

person lock it in it would be split between us but it's just me right now yep we're locked we're locked one more bet does chris harrison give victoria f sass if she denies yes like major sass no or does he just go okay he just goes he just because he's passive like that like he just goes okay is sass i'm just so into betting right now i know wait we we have and also the thing is our company is like a huge gambling company at this point and we have no idea where to set the lines like we should know this better no i don't know i people are going to be mad that we didn't do the plus minus and all that shit but i can't get into that major sa maybe you're not your listeners. I don't think so. No. They're just

going to be like, I'm going to go with yes. I really think he's going to push back. Yeah. Me too. I say no. Oh my God. I'm against you guys again. Two against one. I don't like this. I wish I had like one of you on my side, but yeah. And then if we win, we have to take you for a drink next time. I'm in New York. Wait, you guys win? Yeah, with that money. Perfect.

Okay, I won't complain about that. That's a win for everybody. I know. I'm looking at the clock. I'm like, yeah, okay, I have a flex. So basically, we just agreed. that next time in New York we're getting drinks and yes that's it regardless if I win or lose because if we lose then you're buying a like that's fine yeah okay

loser buys the drinks I'm basically just trying to force a friendship right now and that's completely Luser buys drinks and then Loser buys drinks yeah but the first bet still stands 50 each 50 both to me done all right wonderful Cheers should we cheers should we cheers

Cling on it you might have to pour a little more for the way home clink with our like I'll be like tipsy on radio that be a problem. That's the best kind of really. I know. That's actually why I kept drinking. Yeah. I feel like I'm just way more entertaining with a little wine in my system. Yep. Yep. It's true. It is true. Caitlin, thank you for having us. Oh my gosh. Wonderful. I'm really sad to actually leave. I just want to keep going with bets and keep talking. Well, you have to come on our show. Um, please. No, okay, here's

okay. I'll fly back here. When is the next, okay, because I really want to come for Dermott Kennedy on March 5th. Okay. Okay. Do you know who that is? A singer? Yeah. He's incredible. Okay. He's life-changing.

March 5th. March 5th. Let's see what I'm here. I'm here then. Okay. So am I. So March 5th. That's a Thursday.

Okay. Okay. I'll come back. Okay. No matter who wins. Yeah. For Dermit. And we'll see who, and we'll do one, another recap on that next one.

Yes. On your guys. Yes. Perfect. And we will also ask Dave about a pizza review. Yeah. I mean Yeah, sure, man

I'll do it Yeah, so I'm totally coming back For the Dermit Yeah, yeah Have you heard of them? I won't have anything to do I won't have anything to do With the possible pizza review

Okay, amazing Thank you guys so much for coming on Thank you for having us I'm coming back March 5th I have to give hardwoods put in my floor Anyway, so I'm like Can I just say that? I need an excuse to go, what?

Can I just say that I really love Pino and Raman so much Yeah, me too Oh my gosh, the guy from, they're at doggy daycare right now. Oh my gosh, he just had me a video. Look at it. Hi, Mama.

Oh, what? I get to go home with Mike. Oh, my God. Sound good, Roman? Ramen. I love Pino's big head. Look at Roman. Oh, my God, they're so cute.

I can't take it. Did you figure out the breath problem for? No, we're still on that. It just blows my mind that these dogs like sleep. on top of you. Like I, like I know my dogs are pretty snugly and they'll sleep in bed

with like my parents and me when I'm home. But they're like their foot of the bed like kind of and then they'll snuggle in the morning and whatnot. Oh yeah. They just sleep on top of your head. You know in the middle of night

I'll like wake and be like like, like suffocating because he's just like butt hole to the cheek and I'm like, oh God, get off me. But it's so cute at the same time because he just doesn't understand personal space.

He doesn't get it. And Raman's like this like sassy thing. And Pino's just this, like, big goofy, floppy, like love bug. It's got that big head that's like, you just... Oh, you just got a little mallet head, a little big mallet head. And he's just like so dopey. And ramen's just so tiny and like, okay, one story before we go.

Yeah. I take so much pride in the house that I bought. I'm, like, so proud of myself. I'm doing all these renovations. I've been working on it for so long. Dog hair. Dog hair everywhere. It's crazy.

Two Roombas going at all times. And so I was like, I need to build a fence. I need these dogs to have like a backyard to play in. That's the whole reason I wanted a house for a yard for dogs. It's all coming together. I've manifested this life. Yeah. And I was like, okay, got it.

I had to get a HOA approval. I had to get a survey done for the yard. I had to then get quotes and compare. And then I finally went with this one company and I wanted it to be like iron black bars and like all chic. And I finally, it was like a year of coming up with the fence. It goes up. I'm like could not be happier I put the dogs out

they're having the time of their lives and I'm like Jason I just have a bad feeling like don't leave them in the backyard could you watch them and he goes that's a whole point of having a fence he goes I have a couple things to do for work like just let the dogs play they love this yeah and I was like I know but I just have this bad feeling and so I leave and I go to do a podcast

and Jason calls me and he goes Kate can you turn around right now I don't know where ramen is yeah and Pino is outside of the fence And I was like, what? And I started hyperventilating, crying, everything. And then within 20 seconds, he's like, okay, never mind, I got him.

I got them. But I'm like, how the hell did they get out? They found a way. I'm telling you, these bars are like the smallest in between. Like, there's no possible way these dogs could get through. Raman squeezes his head through metal bars, bends them. Yeah. Shimmies his little body through, which could crush his ribs and he could get stuck.

And then Pino Koppi. and like somehow found a way through these it seems impossible and now I'm like cool I'm so glad I spent X amount of dollars on this fence for them when it's gonna do nothing yep yep I have one dumb dog I've had the same thing happen to my dog like like no I nodding here just nodding no I nod in my head because I was like I've I've experienced this before where my dog has crept through the fence ended up because we have a am I'm talking about my parents house I live in the city now but we had a neighbor who lives a house away We're best friends with them. They have a dog as well. And my dog is obsessed with their dog and literally escaped under the fence, ran to their house because we let him out late at night in the backyard of a small dog. And in the morning, they came back, rang our doorbell. And they were like, Fenway has been standing outside of our door all night. Like, he was just like a disaster.

But he escaped through the fence. It's crazy that they could do it, but they'll find a way. Oh, yeah. My dogs dug under the fence. dug under the fence. Yeah. I mean, that would make more sense to me.

Yeah, right. The fence in the backyard of my parents' house is wood. So that would be... Oh, gosh. And it's big, like, big wood panels, not, you know? So, like, that would have been tough, but they, she dug right under it. We trained them that they literally don't go past the yard marks when the fence wasn't

there. They just knew. Raman would poop along the sidelines. Like, he just didn't cross the line. And now we have a fence. He's like, how do I get out of this shit? Like, one. What? Yeah. Yeah, no, there's something about them when being in a close space that it's like, I got to get out of here. It's like a kid with strict parents.

Yeah. Oh, that's so fair. I got to get out of here. Like when they were put on a leash. They're always the ones that rebel. Yeah, always. Always. Yeah. Great parenting. You should do a podcast on my own. They're dog parents. Listen, I don't know. I don't either. That would be, yeah, I would just give bad advice. I'm the third child of my parents when they got to me. They were like, like babies it recently so she's that's what I was like I know you're not ready to have children like she had a baby neck closer on the plane and she was like this thing what it should and then there's me on planes I'm like can you have me your baby it's crying and I'll help and I bounce it and I'm like

my ovaries are like ah the way that rea did no no no I'm like what the hell she was like it would shut up yeah I call it that's the biggest problem I'm having with like babies is I keep calling them it yeah I mean you don't know if it's a boy or girl so it's fair not that we're gender right it's just that you don't know she didn't want to assume the gender yeah yeah yeah that's what it is that's totally what it is that's totally what it is i wish we could keep going i know i know i'm sad you have to go you have to leave i'm coming back bye that's true march 5th that's so soon that's like in two weeks not either say right not even

that's a week away how long do you plan on staying because i'm going to have to give dave some dates i'll cut yeah that's a week away march 4th perfect i'll be here the fifth that's a one I'll stay for this for the sixth okay and we'll go back on the seventh perfect perfect okay amazing I totally cool uh thank you so much for being here and for thank you for having us and thank you for drinking wine with me so I didn't have to drink along of course of course um pump your own tires for a second and tell us where we can find you um at chicks in the office on instagram at chicks in the off on Twitter because the name is too long it doesn't fit oh I didn't know that yes and then um our personal handles at Maria Chiffo. That's C-I-U-F-F-O. People don't know how to spell that. Yeah. Or pronounce it. Francesca Mariano. It's long, but I'm not going to spell it. And, yeah, Barso, Fran Barseria on Twitter. We live tweet.

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