Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelor Recap (Skating on thin Rice)

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Jason joins Kaitlyn for a recap of the latest episode of The Bachelor and they discuss crazy things that have happened in past seasons and all the juicy drama surrounding Chase Rice being on the show after having dated Victoria in the past. They talk about their top picks of the ladies, who they would like to see as the next Bachelorette and wrap up by answering listener questions. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Caitlin Bristow is going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Hello. Hello. How's it going? It's going great.

How are you? So, so, so, so. Okay, you were in Canada this week. How do you say Canada? Oh, Canada? Yeah, but why do you say it like that? For sure. But people don't say, oh,

Canada. I'm exaggerating. Come on. Exaggerating would be Canada. You go, Canada for sure. But I think it's so in college there was a bunch of Canadians that went to Geneseo. Like that.

No. And then that's how we would like, we'd all poke for each other. That's how we would talk about. Some guys from Manitoba talk like that. Depends we're in Canada. You're from. Anyways. Hello.

You're West Coast Canadian. No. I guess I kind of. You are. But I still know many Canadians that don't talk like this. Anyways, welcome to this week's recap of everyone's favorite guilty pleasure, The Bachelor. What a shit show. Wow.

That's, I think it was insanity. You think this, okay, how many seasons of The Bachelor have you watched? Probably three or four. Okay. Do you know how many total there have been? Yeah, 40-something. Yeah, this is 20-something. This is 24 for Bachelor and in Bachelorettes on season 15.

Right. 39. Yeah. Plus all the other mayhem, you know, Bachelor Pad, Bachelor in Paradise, all the other stuff. So out of three you've seen, this is a shit show? Because let me tell you, one season, a cameraman jumped off a balcony and broke his legs because he was having an affair with one of the girls. I mean, that's a shit show. One girl punched yourself in the face to get attention.

That's a guy on our season took, you know, he fell off the bunk bed and smashed his face. So they had a sleeping pill. The chicken guy, David. Oh, yeah, but did he actually? No, yeah. So he's prescribed sleeping medicine. Yes, these other people are not prescribed. Therefore being dramatic.

Gotcha. Yeah, chicken doesn't count. Either way, it's a, I think in general, the purpose of the show is to create a bit of a shit show. And I think most people watching would agree that episode was a shit show. How often do you have that much drama? You have someone come back. Every season. I'm sure it's every season.

But on top of it, okay, let me ask you this. Have you ever seen a group of people come at the lead the way they came at Peter? Yeah, my season. Like at the cocktail? Oh, okay. Didn't watch that one. Not going to. But they literally, like at the cocktail party, they're fired.

I can't even know what to do. And you know what maybe is part of the issue? Not an issue, but part of my. predisposition is we had Becca as the bachelorette yeah and she first of all she was the sweet class act class act and I think every single person on Becca's season wanted Becca to find happiness for what happened to Ari so the respect you had a great season of men okay the respect level for her was so high so to see and and I like I kind of like the controversy I kind of like to push back because a lot of the things they're saying I was you're certainly feeling

you're sitting there for days waiting for 10 minutes of conversation. Yeah, I mean, I get it. So I get. And then these girls, okay, I'm jumping ahead of myself. I know. I'm worried about your heart. Right. On their arms from that football game.

So I understand their point. Like, I just busted my ass. I have a broken leg. Can you say hello to me? I mean, I get it. But every season there's something physical. Every season, like, here's what, here's what's happening. Okay.

It's 2020. 2020. Last year was 2019. there's a shift in like society and with I will say starting with Andy actually before me she was kind of a powerful woman that made a change in the bachelor world um what's his name why did I want to call him Ricky Martin it's not Ricky Martin one Pablo okay she bangs she bags oh baby when she moves so one Pablo was like he's okay he kept saying he's okay and and he was like oh my god it's not okay it's not okay

i have to leave because you're saying everything's okay when you're hurting people's feelings i'm taking i'm removing myself from the situation it's not okay she became the bachelorette she wrote a book called it it's not okay it's amazing uh then i came on and i was kind of like this controversial bachelorette then jojo came on and she was like a powerful strong woman and then Becca, oh, Rachel, who's like the strongest badass, then Becca, now, then Hannah, it's like becoming this thing where they're the producers and the creators, they're all realizing that women are watching the show. Women want to see a powerful woman. So, unfortunately, men are kind of getting the shit end of the stick now where men used to be the powerful one as the bachelor. Again, this is just my perspective right now.

Sure. so to me it's like the more powerful women we see in the show the more viewers we get the more support we get the more we're like empowering these women and we're now shitting on the men which i'm not saying is right but that's just what i'm seeing where peter i'm like he probably is just trying to be fair he's probably just being told by producers look this you know got to do this got to do this he's just trying to follow the rules he's just trying to be a good bachelor but in the end we all want to see powerful women and it's making him look like a little pussy just kidding i actually don't think that i was just trying to shock value make people laugh there but i actually think he's just being too pure

yeah is the p word i meant yeah i think that's okay you made a really good point did i you made a really good point okay cool because i'm a little drunk yeah and i think yeah i don't know it seems I don't know, for some reason, I feel as though the drama this season, honestly, I've watched Hannah B season. I think it's 10 times. I think I watched Colton season. I think the drama is way more. I think back a season way more. I think the drama amongst the girls and with the lead. So far this season has been greater than I've seen in the last several. See, that surprises me because I disagree. I've seen so many seasons of this show. And this season to me just seems a silly drama. Well, first, it's always silly drama. It's always silly drama. I agree with that. But it's like, this season's like, oh my gosh, we're now having to manipulate situations so bad about champagne. Where before, I don't know, I'm just finding this season a little like, and you know what I probably say this every season is that I'm like, uh, find something deeper or better.

I mean, what more do you want? You got a girl that goes on a date. who's there with a famous country star who's singing them a song who used to date or you got that issue you have a girl that literally shows up from a row ceremony he's been kicked out now coming back to pretty much take the girl who's on top victoria the lead she's probably winning the thing and then and then she gets whacked down same shit different season before we get into this can i tell you something exciting let's hear it it's there this is a detour but i am really pumped about this because so many people have asked for it we're delivering

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Boom. Anyways. That's super exciting. Anyways, what were we saying about The Bachelor? You lost me. No. No, you're just saying same shit different. You're saying same exact script.

It really is. Okay. That's fair. So let's break down the episode. I think everybody's shit on Colton. When we first watches, he's boring. boring. That's what we do every season. It's going to get good. But I'm saying the opposite. I'm not saying this is boring. I'm saying it's extremely entertaining. And I think this

cast is going to be unbelievable in paradise. Everyone is super outspoken. They're battling each other from the first impression rose down. The only one that I don't think has said a word about drama is Kelly, but still Kelly was getting beaten up early on the early episodes. I think it's just a free-for-all mitts are off and they're going at it mits are off if you ever heard you should know that expression babe of course i know mits are off it's hockey i'm just saying well people listening know mits are off it took me like six months of saying pump somebody's tires for people oh mits off so it's an expression like if you're in a hockey game and everyone's taking their mits off everyone's fighting i mean i get it yeah anyways let's break it down break it down

victoria can we talk about this I don't know. Okay. Victoria, I dated Chase, but I didn't really, and I'm scared of heights, but I'm not really. So, yeah, I don't want to go skydiving, but there's pictures all over of me skydiving. Now, let's play devil's advocate. Yes. Have you ever had an experience where it was terrifying, like per se having a needle?

Yeah. And you don't want to do it again. Oh, hell yeah. So maybe that was her story, you know? Exactly. I think everyone is beating her up because I'm reading in the headlines. Because it's easy to. Are you hearing what's going on out there and the people are saying?

Apparently, she's a home wrecker and she's not afraid to heights. And she dated Chase Rice. But apparently she didn't even date Chase Rice. I read something today. It was a one night thing. Yeah. She's a group. I'm not saying.

Talk about mitts off. Katie's bringing the fire tonight. I've had my groupie days. We got Peter. You're calling him pussy. You got her calling him a groupie. I told you. I'm a little bit drunk.

Holy Toledo. Anyways. Fire this podcast up. Back to Victoria. Chase Rice. What do you think about it? Well, okay, so she deleted the pick of her skydiving, which I don't like. Just freaking own it.

Own it. Yeah. Be like, yeah, that's exactly why I'm afraid of heights and skydiving is because that was the most terrifying experience of my life. Okay. I'm going to play, this is fun. Devil, we're going to call this podcast Devil's Advocate. I'm going to play Devil's Advocate.

Okay. I agree with you. Let's do this on every single point. So you own it. But I want to speak about when you get off the show, you don't, most people don't know how to handle this monster influx, myself included, of like intense, intense feedback. You go from, it's like no attention to now hundreds of thousands of people are DM and you messaging you. I know. But to this level, you know of all.

people negative feedback. And that manifests. So when she's getting hundreds and I guarantee you is of thousands of messages about this whole flying thing, it messes with your head. And you don't know what to do. And then you panic and you would delete that photo. You know what? That's a very great point. I'm going to tell you something. I feel like I'm a fairly fearless human being. Like I'll go on roller coasters, all skydive, all do whatever. But in that moment, I'm going to be scared. Bennett, who Jason's very good friends with, he's from Buffalo. He was my main producer. And he goes, why he's scared of everything? I'd be like, yeah, today we're going to go kayaking. And I'd be like, ah, when I get in the kayak. And I'd be all scared like, I'd do it. And I'd, but if they

showed those sides of me, everyone would be like, what the hell is our problem? It's kayaking. Plus, it's also magnified because you have all these cameras around. You're trying to be cute. You're scared of the roller coaster. It never leaves your mind as much, unless you're really, really in the moment, which is probably the best part about the show when you don't have a phone and you have to be so focused on conversation. But other than that time that you're really speaking about deep, meaningful things, it's always in the back of your head that there's cameras and that, you know, all these people are going to be watching and stuff. And it's cute to be scared. I don't know. But she said she's, she loves amusement parks, but then she was surprised and scared by the rides.

Again, you can't judge until you're in the situation. We can all laugh at it because it's funny. But until we're in the situation, you can't call her like that at all. So do you own or rent your home? I'm sure you do. And I know it can be hard work. You know, it's easy is bundling policies with GEICO. Geico makes it easy to bundle your home owners or renter's insurance along with your

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No, we're going all over the place here. But we're with the date. Don't you want to talk about the chase, right? So we talk about the beginning skydiving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was still his date with her. They were playing basketball. Okay, yeah, yeah.

He sucked. He was brutal. He was so bad. A little inside scoop. I don't know if anyone remembers for my season, but there's this guy named Ryan H, I believe. God love him. He's a great man.

And I used to be friends with him after the show, hung out with him in Florida. But it was so funny because all these guys were athletes, right? And then they were teaching me volleyball. And I'm kind of like athletic because I dance and I can pick things up. And then this poor Ryan guy just couldn't make a basket to save his life. And I was like,

then I'm watching Peter and I'm like, oh no he can't he can't make a basket it's funny that he's like it's funny you think about who would have been the bachelor and I think about I'm just thinking Tyler Cameron was top

and that dude is like almost a pro basketball player so it's funny to see the swings here yeah but he doesn't four times in a windmill there you go where you lose one place you make up and another

what were we saying Oh, the Chase Rice situation. Yeah, obviously. Let's dive into that. Yeah. Okay. I have a lot of thoughts. Okay, let's hear them all.

Well, first of all, Chase Rice is apparently upset at producers because he didn't want the drama. Mm-hmm. So he thought, I'm going to go on this show, The Bachelor. I'm going to tell everybody I dated a girl that was going on it. Of course they won't. put her on the date i would be like dude have you seen the show but also dude your your ratings and your publicity and your song probably got so much more attention because of it and you kind of look like the good guy you know like she she doesn't look the greatest because they made it like

oh man i dated him and i broke up with him before the show great so did i dated a guy broke up with him before the show. We all do it. He clearly wasn't your guy. Why are you so scared to tell Peter who brings in his ex who he wanted to get engaged to who explains out a sex scene of your windmill

what have you sits there and explains a whole sex scene and then says she wants him back which I'm not great. I'm not shitting on it. I'm saying why are you scared to tell him about Chase Rice who you dated for one night? Yeah. So I

I couldn't agree more with you. First of all, Chase Rice, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. There's probably been hundreds and hundreds of country artists on this show. And you tell me, the queen who's watched 38 and blood ever episodes, has a country artist ever been involved at this extent? I would guess no. And he wasn't even made to look bad. So, but he was literally like, do your thing. I heard he said with the publicist, publicist was like, it won't be an issue.

So I'm like, maybe you want to question your publicist because, you know, that's. obviously you're put in the wrong position at the wrong time that said i think he handled it about as well as you could have sing your song do your thing you talk to her after good luck do what makes you happy i'm rude i'm happy for you and she made this big deal like and then i'm like do you want it to seem like you dated this big country star or like why did you run away at dinner why are you so afraid of peters if that was me and tell me how you would feel say you're peter yeah i'm victoria we just have a nice little moment you're like maybe Chase Rice

will sing at our wedding I sit down with you and I'm like look that was weird because I actually dated him like a couple dates but I ended it because I wanted to see things with you and you meanwhile

have brought back your ex twice saying you couldn't get over her it was really tougher you cancel the cocktail party she then walks in front of all of you talks about your sex life and then isn't there what would you say to me if if this situation i which is why i commended peter because i think he handled it perfect first of all victoria didn't know second of all chase didn't know third of all who the hell gives us who cares who care everyone has if now if it was like the jed situation right where you're telling me they're both dating

going into the show trying to get fame like trying to get fame They're plotting. They're writing each other love letters the night before. And dog jingles. Okay, that's a problem. But who gives a shit that they dated? I don't know. What does it matter?

Or did they date? Or maybe they didn't even do it. I don't think it matters, especially when you consider everything else you said. But that's why I give Peter all the props. Because he's like, listen, do you still have feelings? She says no. Do you still want to be here? Yeah.

Well, let's continue to give this a chance. But then if I was Peter, I give him props. But I'm also like, why wouldn't he just laugh and be like, you remember? a few days ago and I'm still in love with my ex yeah right you know I get that anyways I don't think he would have done that it could be a.m. a p.m., a good middle of the week

or the weekend I love that song I've loved it for a long time yeah it was uh it was great TV though it was every single the best part I mean every person was blindsided Peter each person no one wasn't blindsided there Chase was supposed to be on my podcast a few weeks ago.

Oh, why is he? Before he even did all this. Sorry, so it was probably more than a few weeks ago. But anyways, I was like, yeah, following up on that podcast, he's going to come on. Yeah, this is good timing. It's a good timing. Anyways, he's in Europe. He was fired up.

Yeah. Anyways, silly. Yeah. Just silly stuff. I think silly. Everyone there is blindsided. No one's at fault. Chase Rice handled it well.

They all have. They all handled it well. And Peter handles it well. And it's done. It's over. We'll be right back with more Off the Vine Grape Therapy. You're listening to Off the Vine Grape Therapy. I have a question for you.

It's a little game I like to call. Make a prediction for how many times Pilot Pete will fly a plane on this season. I'm going over or under. There's 10 episodes. We're going to see that thing at least about one. I'm more 15 times. Wow. Okay.

How many have we seen so far? I think we've seen probably four. You'll have to fact check. Maybe more. maybe five or six well Victoria was afraid of heights she won on one she went on one and she did the bungee thing where the thing goes up and down and up and down things are so fun yeah okay so you think 15 I'm picking 15 what do you think and we've already see so we so you're saying 11 more times math what do you think um how many episodes we have left I think seven more

Oh, when you think 11 more in seven episodes, I guess five. All right. We got to put a bet on it. Okay. How much you want to bet? Let's put some fun on it. Okay. TBD.

We'll come back to it. Deal. Okay. Okay. Roll play. We'll play a little role play? Oh, will we? I don't know.

I'm asking. Tell me more. Let's do it. The conversation Victoria and Chase had before she went on the show. What are you? think that look like you be chase i'll be victoria okay the one thing i remember set the stage so so they meet at a bar i'm gonna be drunk i'm gonna be chase yeah they meet at a bar they're drunk that's how they met yeah he he he wants to go back to the hotel and then the next time they see each other was

the next morning that's it go i'm not following your scenario oh i thought this is you're You're Victoria telling me you're going on the show. But we're, okay, you're Chase drunk at a bar. I'm Chase drunk at a bar. I'm Victoria drunk at a bar. Got it. You're wheeling me. Okay.

We go home together. Okay. In the morning, I tell you I'm going on the bachelor, and he says, cool, cool, cool. Oh, okay. That's it. Then the next time we see each other is on the show. Ready? Yeah.

We're at a bar. Go. So you want to come backstage after my show tonight? I'm so scared of backstage. You know, we got booze back there. Listen, Ray, when I'm playing, I'm going to put you on the side. I'm going to put you right on the side. So you're going to get to hang out with the band.

You know what? Bring your friends. Bring your friends. I don't have any friends. I'm so scared of back stage, but okay. You planned this? No, I actually didn't. So what did you think of the concert?

Um, well, I love country music. Um, are you married? No, no. Too bad. Yeah. I hope. Babe, I, babe, is there a script in front of us? Do I know anything you're going to say? Where are you from, Victoria? Um, I'm from, wait, where are she?

I don't know. I'm from Richmond, Virginia. Richmond, Virginia. Well, you know what? I want to, I want to give you a souvenir here. I'm going to sign this guitar for you. Your dick. You aren't drunk And you know, thanks for coming out today What's going on later?

What are you got going? Well, I mean, I'm going on The Bachelor So I have a hookup at this hotel If you want to tag And hashtag Bachelor? Bachelor! Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I could see you on that show. Why? Yeah, you'd be perfect for it. You'd be good. You'd be good. Yeah? You'd think so?

I don't know. I could never do it. Why not? I don't know. I'm just kind of like the kind of girl that only likes one guy and one guy that likes me. Oh, interesting. Well, you know, I think it would be good for you. Why don't you go on the show, explore yourself?

And the funny thing is, is they actually called me. They wanted me to maybe perform on one of these seasons. You want to go back to your hotel? I thought we were in the morning Oh, I don't know where we are I was starting to get turned on a roll plane here A little stupid gay bones Hammed Up bone

Well, I went to dinner with a girlfriend, okay? I think the end of the day I think she, I think she, I think Chase Rice does not care I hope Victoria can see this all in good fun because she kind of set herself up for it You know what else she said to? And no hate Here's the truth, I want to know

Did they actually date or did they hang out? Like, was it a hangout or did they date? Because she did say in the episode that she ended things with him because she couldn't keep up with his lifestyle. She wasn't a fan of his lifestyle, I believe the words were. So that seems like a pretty, like that's a commitment. It's a commitment reason that you break up where he's like, what the fuck you're talking about? Yeah. So we'll have to, I don't know, you need to get her on the podcast and have her set this straight.

I think after she listens to this, she's going to shut me down. But I also think she has a sense of humor, so who knows? But it sounds like, do you know anything else about this, like her hooking up with other husbands? Is this legitimate? Who knows? No. To me, that's just a rumor. You think these are all rumors?

I'm sure it happened like one time and some girl was like, I'm going to spread that's rumor. Like, who knows? Victoria could be a very lovely human being and we're all judging her on TV. That's so true. All right. LaCrois Sparkling Water delivers refreshment flavor. and sparkle with an innocent twist of zero calories, zero sweeteners, and zero sodium. LeCroix's 25 flavors are derived from natural sources with natural fruit essences, and that's

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And for more information, join the LaCroix community on social at LeCroix Water. Remember when Peter was like, wait, Chase? Like, like Chase that was singing at the concert? Did she say like Chase Tonight, Chase? Yeah. Who are the chases he, who are the chases he could have thought about? Oh, Chase, like, Chase for Papa Troll? Only my mom's out there will get that.

Chase, like, Chase Crawford? Well, I think, you know what? Gossip Girl, Exo, Exo, X, O. That's one of the things I love about Peter, though, is I think I... Chase McNary? Chase McNair? Oh, the guy, he was on the show. Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, Chase me.

I think the thing about Peters, he's, like, so humble. honestly, pure and down to earth, that he's probably like, wait a second, Chase Rice is like a superstar. He's a superstar on my season performing. How did you, like, what did that happen? I felt like that's what his reaction was. And everyone should be like, you dated the Bachelorette. No, I'm saying, okay, people that go on the show, The Bachelorette. You are an everyday person. You go on a day. Right. Yeah. Stupid. A great dating show. Okay. Very entertaining dating show. A very entertaining TV show. But you're just an everyday person.

Whether you're the Lee, Bachelor, Bachelorette, you're just a person. Anyone could have gotten the role and anyone could have done it. If you're Chase Rice and you're one of these people, you know, Ashton Critchers or Coutcher has come on the show. You know, in our season, Wayne Newton came out. Jimmy Kimmel, everybody. Jimmy Kimmel, there's always celebrities, right? So Chase Rice is a celebrity.

When you go on this reality show, you're just a person. So he's probably thinking like, wait a second, you're dating this like country superstar what do you mean that's what that was my point you know can we stop talking about them who victoria chase and peter let's move on they play football that seemed legit yeah that was that was intense i still in our season i remember the guys came back super screwed like blake's finger still isn't right how about i mean this puts it in perspective clay harbor played nine years in the nfl more years than most tight ends ever play and he had a career NFL career ending and the poor guy can't even sue the show because you sign the paper on the show on the show and you don't the best part

you know who hit him it was the guy of the banjo dude remember the banjo dude no I know this guy was like six four hundred pounds soaking wet took out clay Harbor's career clay Harbor should have known his role been like I ain't going to play with these clowns I'm a pull a victoria P or F or whatever is and sit out on the sidelines and get a nice massage. That was well played. I told you in your story. That reminded me of Wells Adams. Wells Adams was a season I watched Jojo's.

She's got all these guys carrying. You watch Jojo season and not mine? I watched Jojo seasons and not years. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool. So she's got all these guys. My roommate, Jeff Ramo, was obsessed with The Bachelor. And so he always had that on.

So I watched that season when I lived with him. But Wells Adams, you can fact check me. All these guys are doing this like super. physical challenge where they have to carry all this firefighting gear on and like go up all these set of stairs and he was like, oh, I'm injured. And he just got to hang out with Jojo the whole time. All these guys were like passing out.

We'd have to ask him. I don't know if he played it or not, but it reminded me at that. I thought it was a pretty solid move. Okay. Well, anyways, I hate the whole freaking thing where this team wins and they get more time with him. It's like, oh, fuck off. Well, no, they tied.

Yeah, they did. Remember there's like 13. You're really picking your nails here. I know. Okay. One, I just got fingernails. So I got nails put on like a long nail. Those are different than the ones you have. Oh, yeah, because I haven't got them painted yet because I was late for dinner.

So when I pick my nose now, I can really like feel a bugger. Do you eat that, bud? No, no, no, no. I'll flick it. But when you pick it, you can really feel the booger with the long. Okay. Okay, I'll stop. Anyways, what were we saying?

Oh, yeah, so the tide, it was the hugest group date ever, which resulted in everybody's feelings getting hurt. Great TV. It's like, oh, my God, there's 14 of us, and there's only an hour in the night, and you haven't talked to me. It's like, no shit! So this is, you're saying every season, it's the same. You think that's the same?

Because to me, it seemed much more dramatic and much more complaining and whining and going at it. You think it was the same as every season? except for the fact that Alea comes back and he not only brings her back but gives her the rose that's when she came up and she gave the little kiss and wave to the girls I mean you might as well just flick the girls off like that was the most like arrogant kiss and wave I've ever seen Alaya tells the women about Chase Rice Victoria blah blah that whole situation she like spilt it on whatever since you got her phone back um should we do a count of how many times peter says let's go in future episodes i love you i'm a huge let's go guys so i totally

respect that if you said it 10 times on the football day i'm so about it go back to alea though remember alea calls out um okay princess victoria let's name people who are more likely to get the group date rose than alea hannah brown Kind of Brown. She's more likely. Chris Harrison. Ashley P. The cow from the first night.

Who's Ashley P? The cow from the first night. The cow. I don't know. The cow, they bring in a cow. Her name's Ashley P. And it's like mooing. Oh, I don't even remember that.

Grocery store, Joe. Yeah. Anyone is what I'm getting at. I will say when she came back, I kind of was like, I'm believable. over Victoria. Yeah, because Victoria. That's what, I mean, that's why she got the road.

I mean, did Victoria and Alia know each other? There's like eight pictures of them in Vegas. So, yeah. So that's what she came back to pretty much say, Princess Victoria Fuller is full of shit. I know, is that Victoria P? I got my Victoria's all screwed up. But there was a blonde hair Victoria,

and Alea comes back and says, you know what? She's lying to you. I've known her for longer than three hours. And clearly, Peter Givener the Rose validates all that. So we got lives going on all over the place. We got Chase Rice, who's going to be the next Bachelor. It's out of control.

I mean, he might just come in and steal the show. Ooh, and get a girl. Just kidding. He wants to do with. But Chase Rice, it was a joke, you know, like Mr. Stia, a girl. But he, I think Chase Rice could have potential to be the next Bachelor. That'd be hilarious. Kate, moving on.

Kelsey, is this Kelsey's comeback? The biggest, most improved player ever. MVP after the Champaign Gate, 2020. MIP just took everything from the record. I mean, finally, right? This is what the show is about. It's Kelsey. This is not what the show is about,

but this is what I like to see on the show. And Peter's Turtleneck makes a rare appearance. Steve Jobs 2.0. He's in the game, but Peter's crying. She's crying. two humans with great stories She talks about being a child of divorce She's been through some hard times

She's deeper than the champagne I knew it And then what did we say? Who knows when she freaked out about the champagne And she doesn't even like champagne Which we all know Maybe there was a sentimental meaning there Of course there was

And everyone's laughing at her And here we are being like That was her parents' wedding champagne That is what the show should be about A great story of someone who's had severe struggles, who's come full circle, who's here to find someone. And Peter relating it to it with his mother and being from Cuba and two people crying emotionally, falling in love like, that is what gives me the goosers.

What about the ambulance that comes next week? Does that give you the goosers? No, that gives me the pass-out vibes. The what? Pass-out vibes. I don't like that. Ambulance comes every season. Every season. You just never know if it's episode two or three or four.

It's crazy. How long do you think Alleya is going to stay? Alea I think she's going to stay I think she goes top 10 top 10 oh yeah yeah for sure you make a comeback like that you got to stick around okay who do you think what do you think I think she's gone in two weeks oh really yeah I don't know though I don't know uh who's your top pick for bachelorette at this point bachelorette I think that I'm going champagne gate at this point of any girl that we've seen so far. I think Madison has demonstrated.

Who's Madison? Maddie. Madison. Madison had the first one-on-one. Oh, they've barely shown her. Her one-on-one was incredible. Yeah, but super well-spoken. She was so sweet at the family. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't watch every season.

Anyone who gets the first impression. She didn't get the first impression. I'm not saying the first impression of Rose. The first impression, the date, everything's going smoothly, blah, blah, blah. Now we've been seeing her a while. we'll see it'd be great i really liked her see i think she is like super well-spoken great with the family i think i think as of now i think she would be a great bachelor i agree with you but i'm just so kelly's cool i would like to see kelly is the bachelorette love kelly she's hilarious

like she just laughs at it she just gets hammered and laughs at everyone i'd be like hey do you want to be the bachelor and she'd go she'd like be like i got to get back to my job uh what about Bachelor in Paradise. You make, let's see, what do we got? Bachelor in Paradise. Bachelor in Paradise. Okay. Who do you think it's going to be?

I think McKenna is going to be a great pick for Bachelor in Paradise. McKenna will be good. I think Victorias will both be good, both blonde Victoria and dark hair, brunette, Victoria. I think Sydney will be a good one for Bachelor in Paradise. Who else? I think Chase Rice would be perfect. Who do you have a crush on this season? Who do I have a crush on this season?

I don't have a crush on anyone this season. Trick question. Good job. No, but you and I are on. I'm like, oh, he's going to like, yeah, I don't have a crush on. No, I know. But, okay, if you were going to pick one person to have a crush on from this season, mine would be Kelly or McKenna because I like McKenna.

The person I'm most impressed with is Madison. Oh, really? Even after the scandal of her fake account. I mean, I'm saying. what i've seen on the show okay fair fair that's fair okay so from the creator of riverdale comes a sparkling adventure in the big apple full of fashion drama and dreams colliding with real life thursday february sixth at eight seven central it's the new c w series katie keene i really can't wait to watch the show i watch the trailer just now it got me very excited it's about a singer

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the listeners? Let's do it. Hi, Caitlin. I was just wondering if during the show, if everyone really does just sit around and stare at each other while other people are doing like a one-on-one. Doing a one-on-one. So I would be like playing pool or like hitting the jukebox. How old is she hitting the jukebox? You know, like when they go and talk to Peter or whatever and they're all just like sitting and staring at each other. So I was just curious if, you know, you really just sit there because it seems really awkward and boring.

Also, I just wanted to say that this season is probably my least favorite. And I know we all say that at first, that it's never like interesting and blah, blah, blah. And I'm usually like, I don't get on that train of saying like, oh, this sucks. I'm not going to watch it. But this season I really do feel like is a lot different because everyone sees. being, like, really immature and... That's fair. I don't know.

Just, like, stupid drama. Like, the Victoria shit last night was... I love her. I like this girl. And I know producers, like, have to amp up the drama and whatnot, but I don't know. I thought it was a little ridiculous, and we can do a little better. Peter needs, like, a woman and someone a little bit older, perhaps, or at least, like, a more... Age doesn't really matter, but, like, a more mature.

mindset. Anyways, I love you and love Jason. All right. Thank you. Bye. Okay. I agree with her. First of all, what was her question? Yeah, do people really sit around and stare at each other while people are doing them one-on-one? Absolutely. You literally can't move. You sit around in a room. Oh, at the cocktail party. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I thought she meant like when someone goes with one-on-one. Cocktail parties are actually the worst. Stupidest. Because you're like, well, cocktail party. Then you sit there and you sit there and then the produce. is like, so what do you think they're talking about right now? Until you get your time, you're just standing there unless you go to the bathroom

of the bar or you, you know, that's it. And then you get like 10 minutes and then it's somebody else's turn and then they create drama and then you're like, oh, and then he comes in and he's like, look, I had a great time with everybody, but I have to go. But the best part is for cocktail parties, usually you get more time, you get more time with the lead than an actual other part. Like a cocktail party, I felt as though I got more time. well it depends it's the the less and less people the more and more time you get the other thing too is you're thinking about you should be thinking about you also got to make your time super valuable so you're thinking about like things you could like deep conversations you could have to really try and advance your relationship totally and then you know what it is hard I really do say every season like oh this is so dumb but this one man I don't know I get that they're trying to get a younger crowd real in the like social media world it is tough though I feel like it's a really really really

young crowd. And nothing against that because I agree that in my younger years, I wouldn't have made good TV either. One thing I loved what she said was age is not about maturity because there's some people that mature very quick and age has nothing to do with it. But I do agree that almost everyone on this season is outrageously immature. And the problem I'm having with this season is I think from the seasons I've watched, there's usually someone that their personality strikes me and I really want to get behind them. And I want to see more of them and I want to know more about their and I want to see things work out. I haven't, am I impressed with Madison the way she handled the first day?

Yeah, but I'm not, I haven't found anyone that I'm like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. I really liked Tyler. I really liked Peter. I really liked. Hannah Seasons, there was a bunch of guys I really liked. Colton Seasons, there's a bunch of girls. Tasha, remember? We're like, Tisha is awesome.

Cassie is the sweetest girl in the world. Hannah G. So, like, I'm not behind anyone right now. Well, let me bring you to our next listener, Alex. Hey, Caitlin and Jason. My name is Alex. I'm from Long Beach, California. So many thoughts on the last few weeks of this show. I'm a huge fan, but my question is, do you find it weird how flip-sloppy this season has been so far? Like, usually we build up to a quote-unquote villain, which I hate that word, but there's always one or two that you know or just. during the drama all the time. Because I feel like we're very flip-ploppy. Like it started with Kelsey,

kind of moved into Hannah-Anne, but now Kelsey's a totally normal person who I'm actually kind of rooting for after this episode. Yeah, that's true. And now, like, Alaya is the villain, but then Sydney's causing problems. And now Victoria P is somebody I'm no longer rooting for,

who I loved last week? I don't know. I'm just feeling very flip-poppy in my emotions about these women and I'm just wondering if you're feeling like that's you or if I'm just more aware of it this season than in the past.

Love the podcast. Keep up the good work and I was going to say talk to you later but I probably won't be doing. Oh my God, I love her. Okay, so Alex, I agree with you. We're just saying like there's no one we're rooting for. There's no one

we're consistently being like, villain. But what is she going to do next week? Like, it's very flippy floppy. She's right. It's very flippy floppy. The question I have for everyone out there. The flippy floppiness, I kind of like that. Does that make you want to tune in more aggressively to be like, holy hell, I can't wait for the next flip-flop and this is going to be crazy?

Or is this like a flippy floppy madness that just creates paralyism? That's not a word. But paralysis, that's also, I don't believe, the right word. But you are left in a paralyzed state where you're like, I just don't. I'm like done. I'm like, I'm so, I'm just not in. I've lost my interest because it's too much nonsense. I don't know.

I'm curious what people think about that. What do you think? I just don't know. I'm so lost in the season where I don't know what they're going for yet. The other thing is we're only three weeks in. And does anyone else feel like we're like 10 weeks in? Yeah. I don't know why it is.

I think maybe because the first episode, they always have some kind of mixer premiere or something. But like we're three weeks in and I feel like I've. seen 15 episodes and one rose ceremony like is there how many rose ceremonies have there been one two I don't know okay the one one of my favorite parts about that episode is now how things are changing so when when Becca tells us that we're going to Richmond Virginia all of our reactions were like like we thought we were going to Ireland right so they had to redo it I didn't maybe they didn't even redo it or maybe our reactions at first were good but either way they put on it

when they played it was great this time they're just like we're going to Cleveland which by the way I'll defend Cleveland until I die. And I did on my Twitter. But even people from Cleveland are messaging me being like, eh, nobody's not excited. So funny. Everyone was like, it was just funny that they showed that.

Well, on my season of Chris Souls, we were the Golden Globe winners of our generation because they're like, buckle up. We're going to San, no, what is it? We're going to,

what's the place in New Mexico? San Antonio. That's in Texas. I know, but we went there. Oh, okay. What's the place in New Mexico? I'm thinking. I didn't know.

We went to New Mexico. We are going to Santa Fe. We're going to Santa Fe. We have a winner. And we were like, ha ha, ha, woo, Mexico. You guys worked there. And then another time they're like, we're going to, I'll never forget Carly's reaction.

Chris Solz was like, we're going to Iowa. And we're like, yeah. And Carly was like, yes. And she, like, ran and jumped into Chris's arms, like, so good. That's amazing. But anyways, we had the worst one. Anyways, here's the next question, and we're going to take one more after this. You ready?

Let's go. Hey, Caitlin. Hey, Jason. Love you guys, first of all. So I just want to say that my favorite part of last night's episode was when Victoria F. confronts Alea. So, first of all, the part that killed me is she's holding a glass of red wine. So I feel like she got some liquid courage from this glass of wine,

because then she just gets, like, full sass queen and goes upstairs. I know exactly what she's talking about. And pretty much everything she said was hilarious, but my favorite part was when she imitated Alea and was like, oh, my God, it's appalling. Because we haven't seen the side of her the entire time. Like, she's so quiet and innocent and gets, like, nervous, it seems almost around the cameras. And then you give her a little bit of wine.

I don't know if it was spayed and sparrows. but it just goes like full out crazy sass. So I loved it and I saw a whole new side of Victoria F last night and I really liked it. So that's my take on last night's episode and Peter is in big, big trouble. Anyways, thanks so much for setting this up and hope to be on the podcast. Thanks guys. That's so funny. I remember that to a T and I felt the same exact thing.

All we've seen from Victoria is so nervous and cute and innocent and oh my God. But don't you remember? And then boom. But don't you remember, babe, that I said, I thought like I was watching a soap opera. She going to go cray. I remember see, you did, but I remember seeing that episode, I'm like, man, these girls are in it. Like, they are, they are bringing the heat this year with the drama. It's not like they're avoiding the drama.

They're like, put the camera in front of me, and I'm going to roast and toast you. What? Hey, Lynn, Katie, from Duluth. I have a question with, I know that you are. friends with McKenna and I know that she's kind of getting a bad rap or just a lot of tears and crying. I want to know if you kind of gave her like any advice going into it. I did. I said don't cry. I said don't cry. Don't be dramatic. Anyway, no, I'm just kidding. Okay. Yeah, I guess we chatted with her a bit before she went on, but I just, we both, I remember saying like, we're not

going to tell you much because you don't want to jade somebody's experience going into that they have to go into it with a very open mind so we just said you know express yourself be vulnerable don't fall into a trap don't get into the drama but stand your ground pretty much yeah and i'll tell you it's tough not to be emotional in that setting yeah i mean again i sound like such a broken record no you don't have your phone or your friends or your mom whoever it is that think about when you have a issue you're at home or at work and you had a really tough day and you are battling an issue you're that back and forth you're confronting in your head. Think about the top three people you go to for like sound insight and advice.

You have none of that. In fact, you have 30 other beautiful people in front of you that are trying to do everything they can, whether they admit it or not, to get you off your game. So it becomes super emotional. And that's why there is so, you know, many tears. I'm sure if you talk to McKenna outside the show, she's probably extremely balanced and awesome. She's coming to Nashville this weekend.

And she's much younger than me, but she's friends. one of my best friends and I really like her and she's coming so we're going to do a bachelor recap hopefully with her and we can answer some of those questions from her personally but cool um last question here we go hi my name's holly i'm from vancouver washington yeah update about last night i feel like the show is just overly produced at this point so we can't even focus on peter's relationships with the women it's just basically a cat fight back and forth between the women. I'm worried that at the end of the season, we're not going to have enough information to really judge who we think would have been best for him. So I hope that as the show

moves forward, they can redirect that focus and get a little bit more into his relationships with the females versus the girls versus the girls the entire time. They're just playing these girls like they are a bunch of high schoolers. And it's really ruining the show for me all together. The producers just need to back off and let things happen naturally. one her voice is so sexy very smoothing like i feel like she needs to be on the com app i was like please keep talking yeah you know when someone like it's like raspy and they have that like it what's that thing when she said at the end she was oh um when it like stimulates you when someone speaks yeah it's um ricky was talking about ricky yeah i know shit it doesn't happen to me because i hate it no but it

happens like when sometimes like with like library pages something about the library pages something about the Yeah, I get that. I had, oh, there's this guy. Okay, when I got my car, this guy came in and, like, showed me how the car worked. His voice was so calming. I wasn't even hearing what he was saying. I was, like, falling asleep in the best way ever. ASMR.

Yes, that's it. Anyway. Anyways, her voice was ASM. She's right, though. I mean, she's right. Like, it's, you know what I want to do, though? I want to go back. Think about every season, to your point, week three.

Is it the same, is this the same case? go to Hannah's season i think about like cam always be cam remember he was like a big focal point early was that kind of a remember cam you don't remember cam he kept saying always be cam abc oh jesus right so i feel like does every season you know what in our season it was a chicken chicken man yeah i do challenge people to go back and watch the first few episodes colton season it was kalen and hannah b let's let's let's do some homework let's do some homework let's go back to the Let's go back to the chalk. Let's watch my season.

No. I'm just kidding. Let's not. Let's watch the first like two episodes of a few seasons. Yeah. And see, because I truly feel like we have this conversation every time. Oh, it's getting more. Because I really do feel like we are all the generation that loves the Bachelor.

I think we're all maturing in such a way where we have conversations about our feelings. We talk about certain things. We don't stand for shit anymore. I feel like we're all maturing as a community. like whether you're 24 plus where a lot of these girls are younger. And I just think we're like losing that maturity. So I'm with you. So let's go back.

We'll go back to the chalkboard and see if this is the case every season or if we're just over analyzing for this season. The one thing I'll say is like late, I think they said with almost every bachelorette other than Becca, whoever got the first impression rose won the season for a long time in a row. So I wonder if before it was. Didn't Garrett get the first impression? did yep um for rachel uh brian did um for um me we can talk about it i gave the first impression rose that's everyone from me from me what you didn't watch my first impression rose

was the winner oh okay and so on gotcha and so on yeah yeah so from mine to to understood yeah got it now what it was do you remember andy's first impression rose uh nick okay so from your season on for all the Bachelorette other than Hannah, the first impression rose won. Yeah. And I think maybe it's been too predictable. And right now, if you ask me who is in like Peter's top five, I don't have a damn clue. Don't even know who the bachelor could be. Yeah.

So maybe that's part of it too is we don't know. And it's like the mystery of like what's going to happen. Is Kelsey now leading the pack? Who knows? She is. My last question to you is do you think any of these girls right now as far as you can see, will be The Bachelorette, or do you think they're going to go the direction of Ari? So I think what I would say is that I certainly have my favorites,

but I don't think The Bachelorette will be someone from this season. Okay. Really? Mm-hmm. So two favorites right now. Can I tell you this, though? Sure. I would have told you the same thing for Colton season week three. I would have said there wasn't a Bachelorette.

And when it was Hannah B, I was shocked, but she crushed it. You're right. You're right. So who freaking knows? I don't know. Look at these cute dogs. they're cuddling my shoes in each other. And we did the total detour, but we did a DNA test,

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