Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelor Recap (The Dream Team Discuss a Double Dip)

Episode Date: February 6, 2020

For this week’s Grape Therapy, Kaitlyn sits down to recap this long week of Bachelor drama with friends Bailey Stanworth, Sarah Nicole Landry, Blaire LaSure and Elena Davies. The girls discuss the unpredictable season and how they have no clue which girl Peter is going to pick at this point. They also have an important discussion on the nature of reality television in the age of social media influencer culture and its effect on the Bachelor contestants. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is your Bachelor Recap. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I am Bailey Stanworth. I'm Sarah Nicole. A.k.a. The bird's papaya. Blair Lisher. A.k.a.

The Blarette. I'm Elena Davies, aka Elena Davies. Yeah, I was going to say, wait. I didn't get it. Well, no, no. A.k.a.

Tired girl. No, Bailey, you're a. The girl that smashed her head on my Instagram. i am yeah i guess that is yep stand proud i do my hair toss hit my head baby how you feel good as hell a guy not feeling good as hell after that but we played a game last time we used that song it was honestly the entertainment was worth it so yeah it i'm not kidding i've never watched my own instagram video back so many times and laughed harder each time like and not

it myself the comments too made me laugh yeah like everyone's like this is me that me that me though the one the girl she's like she was post so cute and then because you were at the beginning of the video you're smiling i'm like we're taking a picture and but i was moving and then you you really are you okay debatable okay might not be from that though we'll find out during this podcast if you if you cannot string a sentence together we'll know it was the uber that you smashed your head in okay thank you guys all so much for joining me on this bachelor recap i've never had this many people podcast with me before. Oh, I'm honored.

Oh. Let's hope it goes well for you. If it doesn't. So people can follow along. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to know who's talking, but we're all pretty funny here. So you're, I feel like you'll be able to hear me because I sound like this. Because I have party girl voice right now. You do have party girl voice. Yeah. I bet everyone can guess who that is. It's Blair. It's Blair. Blair really got after it these last few days.

No, that's clearly now. Okay, so we're doing, okay, let's just be honest. Today is Monday. Yes. So we watched tonight's episode of The Bachelor. I have the privilege of getting episodes early. I don't know how they do it or give it to me because I spoil shit all the time. But I've managed to do well with it.

So we also got to watch Wednesday's episode. So when people are listening to this, it's going to be Thursday. So we get a whole buttload of Bachelor. to recap right now. We all drank during this. It's 2 a.m. It's 2 a.m. I'm over-stimulated and gassy.

Elena's very gassy. I almost had to be up in two hours. Wait, and you guys all had a Nashville Girls Get Nasty weekend. Hashtag. Tell me, before we do this recap, crazy shit that happened this weekend.

It was a girl fell down a fly-of-stairs. Oh, fly-the-stairs at 5 a.m. this morning. So Vancouver girls Elena's from Dallas Sarah's from Toronto Blair you're here in Nashville Other girls are coming in from Canada All over the place

McKenna was there And there's like 16 of us total right Yeah Yeah Yeah that's a lot Wait I'm sorry Did you just say I was from Dallas? We lived there

Fort Worth Canadian Canadian She's Canadian Oh my gosh I've been around so many Canadians this weekend. I've been trying so hard to be Canadian. I've been nicer, which I think is the biggest plot twist of it all. Right. And I know so many new words and I'm excited about it.

About it. Thank you. I was going to say, well, you're failing already. You said about a boat. Should we just do a quick Canadian test? 100%. This is the first time of my life. I'll get an A. Go. Okay. Well, I'm repeating myself because we all know this one. But if you order a double double at Tim Hortons, what does that mean? Coffee, two creams, two sugars. Bailey. If you're talking smack about someone... Chirping.

I didn't even have to finish that. Nope, I know. Sarah. How do you spell touny? Oh, man, I have to spell now? Come on. What is a toony? Tuny and a loony and a tunie is y'all's version of money.

You're $1 and $2? Or is that accurate? Spell toony. Wait, loony tony. It's, okay, so I'm just going to go. guess because I haven't had a spell yet so it's L-O-O-N-E-Y Yeah? Did I nail it? No

No that's not right. Bailey It's N-I-E Looney. Oh I'm tired I do not to spell it in my head That's what she said. I have a question Okay you know how the 4th of July is America's birthday What's Canada's birthday? Oh, come on

I haven't practiced that one Same month July 12th wow minus 11 yeah same month first um okay sing the national anthem oh my god oh canada blair say that was genovia from princess diaries actually i was supposed to say if even if i knew the national anthem of canada you don't want me singing on your podcast because i believe you want to still maintain your job well i always think this i'm like if i went on record and and I'm like an honorary American.

I live here. I have a social security number. Bragger. But I can't sing the national anthem. Well, I can, but do I know all the words? I'm not sure. Do I? I'm not sure.

Of the American one? I drink a lot. I feel like the vinos, though, really need to hear you say Saskatchewan. Yes. Because there's a lot of Canadian vinos. Saccatoon, Saskatchewan. Wow. Wait, is that the capital right?

What? Saccatoon. Oh, it's the city. Regina. Like, Saskatoon. Oh, you said it. Saskatoon.

Saskatchewan. Oh, boy. Saskatchewan. Yes. Yes. It was a little too chewy. It was a little too chewy. It's Saskatchewan, not Saskatchewan.

Saskatchewan. Scishuan. It's not like Chi, it's like Saskatchewan. It's also not Skaskatchewan. Skisketchuan. I can't. Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan.

You did it. That one, yeah, you got it. What's the capital of Canada? Alberta. That's a province. Ontario. Edmonton, Calgary. Vancouver.

I'm just knowing place. We, um, Regina. It's Ottawa. Yeah. Nobody talks about Ottawa. What's the smallest province in Canada? Oh my God. Okay, that's a hard one.

Ask me what a penis is because I know that one. Okay, what's a penis? Hammer. And if it's a good hammer, it's a good hammer. A butte. Oh, I'm sorry. Blair knows. It's a beaut.

Oh, I can't wait for all the Canadians to listen to this. And all Americans, you mean? And hate me, you mean? And hate me. And all, no, they're going to love you and embrace. you and welcome you. This is an equal podcast. You've got two Americans, two Canadians

and one split. Wow. I'm the split. 50. The way you split it. That's a yummy song. Okay. Jen, Justin Beaver's from Canada.

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So when people listen to this, we will have watched both. We're not spoiling anything. I'm not ruining anything. So here we go. I might be in another way. You're... with the Canada stuff.

Your toots. So we had two episodes this week, which was aggressive. Five hours. It was aggressive. I got kind of bored. It was a commitment. It was five hours of The Bachelor. And I know when you have girls nights and you're watching, like, you're drinking,

you're eating, you're talking, you get on a different subject. You have to pause or rewind. Five hours, guys. That's why we're podcasting at 2 a.m. right now. It was more like six hours. So I don't even think. we need to recap. I think we just need to

brain dump have a conversation around the show right now. Yeah. Because I think we're ready. Sarah, you made a lot of good points

during the episode and I always try and think back. I wish I could go back to every podcast that I ever did doing Bachelor recaps, like from, you know, the first episode to

the sixth. Yeah. Because I feel like every single season, I'm disappointed. it. I'm wondering where the connections are. I'm wondering where the like growth in the show is. I'm wondering where all the things that you want to see out of it. I'm like, what is happening? But then it seems to come around during the end. But everyone, you know, we're all intrigued by the teasers. So we're like, well,

nobody knows the spoilers. So let's keep watching. Or this is really crazy, but we heard about the spoiler. So let's keep watching. But I feel like during that. painful beginning part. Poor Peter is probably getting, you know, eaten alive and ripped apart, but I feel like everyone does at this time in every season. It's just that the show I thought it was evolving,

you know, with Demi and having the first like gay engaged couple. I'm like, wow, we're going there. We're evolving. We're growing. We're going to do this. We're talking about sex. We're doing... I thought it was going there. And then this season, I feel like

we're being taken back. Yeah. You know, it's funny because like I'm somebody, whenever the bachelor or a bachelor I would come on, there'd be like, I'd be like, oh, I'm not watching. I'm not watching. I'm just passively watching. Then there would be one episode where there'd be one storyline or one connection or just I was like just in it. And then you're stuck because you're committed to watching it through. And I feel like this season we're not feeling that. We're just waiting to feel that moment where we're like invested in the storyline. And unfortunately, I feel like it's just a lot of drama and a lot of. lot of child's play and a lot of like women against women it's just it's not what i think we were coming here for we we at the end of the day i think we love love and we love these like little stories and it's just not happening yet and we're only getting surface level conversations too like between peter and the girl not even drama and then surface level like kissing and like just i'm so happy i feel like the realist thing we've seen so far was mattie's first date

yes and since then there really hasn't been anything like that where you've seen a connection I feel like instead of seeing Peter talking to the girls, I'm seeing Peter talking to the girls about the other girls. And they're not actually connecting. They're just gossiping. And then I ask, do we see this every season? Are we just like? It seems like more this year. I don't know why.

But we're at this point now after these two episodes, we're at top six. And I think that like hometowns are the next episode. At this point, we should have seen more. That's insane. Girls are going home and they haven't even had a date. Like they haven't even had a one-on-one. one. I feel like traditionally we've always seen these dates and they're structured. They have these one-on-one times. And they're kind of cheating the rules and Peter's allowing it. So what's

happening is the girls are sidelining him and he allowed it once. And now it's happening every single episode where these girls are cheating their way into one-on-ones. And what we're not seeing, but we're hearing from the other girls is they're hours. They're spanning hours that these girls are now cheating their way into these one-on-ones with drama. They're coming to him not with And Caitlin, you made a great point. They're not coming to him asking, like, how are you feeling and how are you doing? They're coming to him with so-and-so did this to me in the house and I don't like it. And usually there's one or two girls that do that, but it's every conversation we're seeing.

And it's like you want to blame Peter because he's the lead and he should be in control. But it's like every situation we seem to see is somebody else tattletailing, somebody else coming to him. And we were laughing about this earlier saying he's like, Principal Peter. He's getting involved. He's putting them together and making them work it out. It's like putting on their like time out t-shirts, like go and go and have a conversation and going back to the other girls with, well, so-and-so told me you said this. It's so principal, Peter.

It is. I feel like to, I feel like every season, it's usually just like two girls that really butt heads and that's like all the drama. But it's like as soon as one girl leaves, then it's like, well, now these two girls and now these two girls. Like, we've seen like six girls be in drama. Like, it's like it's not just a couple. it seems like every single girl is just like

and he's rewarding the drama like he's taking that time away from all the other girls who aren't involved and he's giving like when he gave Sydney the Rose for it was with Alea like he rewarded her for that so I don't know it's so interesting he's not even really hearing people

stories he's just like oh wait you're right oh no no wait you're right and it's so hard yeah it's because I guess like even Jason you know he was he's friends with Peter he hangs out with Peter. He was just with him. And he, he'd probably agree with everything that we're saying right now. But also when he hangs out with Peter, he's like, he's the most down to earth, sweetest guy. He's so nice.

It's, you don't know, you know, you think you can handle a role. But when you're thrown into that kind of situation, like, you're trying to do the right thing. You're trying to do the best thing. You're trying to be lovable. You're trying to be this. You're trying to be all these things when being yourself would probably be the best case scenario. And that's somehow so hard. for people to do when all these cameras are in front of them and I feel like he's struggling with that yeah I get because I've been on TV so I don't want to be judgmental because I know that there's editing and producers and manipulation and all that stuff and I believe that Peter's probably a great guy but I'm having a really hard time liking him because I feel like he's being too politically correct and he like wants to please each girl individually and he wants to please the producers and he wants to please America and I'm just not feeling like there is anything genuine about anything he's doing and so it's making me have a hard time like connecting to him

and it's making him have a hard time connecting to people too like we are not really seeing any connections and again i go back to colton season and i remember saying the same thing and i'm like is this something we do every season i don't know but this one really does seem different well and even i like when we were watching the episode monday we were saying how like you were saying McKenna going and stealing him at the end like didn't really change anything like he already had his mind made up right and then Sarah made a good point of like yeah but you've seen he's been so wishy-washy like Alea came and like made a different case and he's like okay yeah you can stay so it's like he doesn't seem like he has his mind made up and he's like sticking to what he

believes he's kind of just like letting every single thing sway him and pull him in every little direction especially because he sent a lea home like the next day like he just he really is back for yeah and even with the two on one we saw it was like i want to get time to know you and an hour later he's like bye mckenna like it was just like he just seems to not know exactly what he wants and i want to like feel that and see that i think for me i feel like i don't know peter like this season at all i don't know the girl he's a pilot if you didn't catch that i know it's a pilot they make a lot of taking off how he's going to land and take off and the connections you know misconnections Yeah, turbulence. I mean, there's so much going on, but I don't know him. And it's, it's so weird. We had this conversation earlier, but I'm like the only time I've seen him actually light up and feel that connection. And I hate saying it. It's when Hannaby came back. Okay. So I was going to bring this up. Sorry. Are you done? I'm done. You go. I was going to bring this up because I don't, I don't think we've ever had a bachelor or a bachelor where we didn't feel like they didn't have these lingering feelings.

feelings. Every bachelor, bachelor, we've had, we've seen them have closure. We've seen them get their heart broken. We are invested in them moving on and finding happiness. And they're all, they're always empowered to move on. It's like a fresh start. Always. But with Peter, we got so confused in the beginning because this woman he was in love with came back and we got no closure of the feelings or where that ended. And I've never been so confused in a season because we didn't see him get closure we saw him fall in love of somebody on the bachelorette we root for them as a couple and we're like oh why didn't they work out he goes to move on says yeah you know what i'm ready but he's clearly not because she comes back in it's confusing and then there's no closure and then

now the season just continues but we don't know what he's really feeling still about her because it was obvious to everybody that there's no closure there do you all think that if producers hadn't brought Hannah back that that wouldn't have re-sparked in his mind and maybe he would have gone into the season a little bit more prepared to connect with other girls and you also have to wonder did producers bring her back does she have these feelings like we never know what the real truth is did was she like I'm not okay with this I want to go on his season and see him or were producers like hey he still has feelings for you go talk about your sexual intercourse and then like say how you feel because there's still

some feelings there like we don't know and we will never know how produced what the truth is until they're out of contract and write a book yeah all right we have to take a second it's 2020 and guess what all that stuff in your home that you didn't use in 2019 is still there it's taking up space it's being useful to absolutely no one and now is the time to finally deal with it i'm not talking about putting it in an even better hiding spot bailey um Currently, my bathtub is a storage unit. I was going to say, I feel like you use your guest room as a place to store. Yeah.

We'll just sell it on Mercari. I mean, I really, really need to. Yeah, it's Mercari, the selling app that makes selling almost anything fast and easy. Here's how it works. You go through your home, find all the stuff you didn't use in 2019, the jeans you only wore one time, the old phone you kept, even though you upgraded, the gift you got for the holidays, that's super cute for someone, but that's someone that's just not You. That's just not you.

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Ring in the new year with less stuff in your home and more money. money in your pocket with Mercari that's M-E-R-C-A-R-C-A-R-I-M-C-R-I-R-R-E-S-E-SELING app you should I'm going to I think I'm going to quit my job and just start selling my stuff as you should but it's so true what Sarah said I have not like the chemistry that they had in that moment I have not seen with anyone yeah we haven't seen sparks I felt like I got some sparks with Madison but then we haven't seen her like at all since that so it's like we haven't seen any any of the love like grow at all it's just like shit on sparks.

No, you know, like people, people will be like, Hannah, go away or this, but it's like, he looked so happy.

That's when he looked the happiest. I thought he's going to throw up against a wall and just like, how to his way with her, because like it was intense. There, that you can, you cannot deny the chemistry

between Peter and Hannah. So you have to wonder what we see as viewers and what we know that, you know, he's clearly still connected to Hannah, but what we see is that he's not connecting

with any of these girls. like we saw at the beginning of that. So are they setting us up to be like at the end? Well, do, of course he's ending up with Hannah or like, what are we? Nobody knows, which is exciting. But Blair made a really good like point when we were watching it because she was like, you know, they're all making this argument. This debate keeps coming up about what is everybody's intentions for being there?

What's Peter's intention? Like he's looking for a wife and these girls are like, yes, I'm here for Peter. Like I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Peter. And it's like, well, actually, you applied for. the show not knowing who the bachelor was. Totally. So we, it was like kind of a laughable moment where like they're literally arguing their stance why they're there.

And, you know, everyone knows that they're coming out with a career. And I don't think there's anything wrong with knowing that. That is part of like the cycle now. It's part of what happens. It's part of the industry. We're all very aware of it. And real relationships do stem from these. A lot of people go on being like, you know what?

I came on because I thought it'd be a fun experience and I did fall in love. Me. Me. Valid. Alana. Well, I mean, different show and ended terrible, but it's a thing, you know, you're right. You're right. I mean, there are, it's crazier for people to go on and actually believe in the process and want to find love through that.

And we all want to believe that happens and that we're here for the love stories. And at the end of the day, we love to see those. But you have to know that that's freaking insane to go on being like, I believe. leave in dating a multiple people with one person being the bachelor and that we're going to all meet his family some of us will have sex and then some of us will go down and meet his best friends and then one person will win that's that's not realistic yeah and you know what all the women this season are complaining about what we know is is the real what's happening on the show it's what's happened for over a decade I don't know how many cycles they're but they were eight

when that happened yeah exactly they're coming on And they're like, I don't like watching him date other women. I don't like seeing him kiss other women. I don't like the idea of, I'm like, no, but that's literally like you knew what you came on for. And it's, they just feel very like, it was like, oh, it's this opportunity and we're here and we're in it, not really fully thinking this all through. It feels like they're just in competition more than we're actually, like Bailey said, chemistry.

We're not seeing chemistry. I will play a little bit of devil's advocate here where because of being on it, I'm like, I knew what I was getting into. I was like, we're all going to date the same guy. Great. I'm going to get great opportunities. I'm going to build something. Whatever.

Get there. Day three, you're like, he's mine. Yeah. And you know, you get on your period and you all sink up in the mansion and there's all this estrogen and I understand, but not saying that that's, you know, like, that's what it is. So that's- They're almost shocked.

Right. But this one does feel different. Well, and too, back to like the competition. thing like I feel like no one's just trying to like get to know Peter and like win his heart they're almost like someone said I think on the show like they're trying to just eliminate each other and so it's like

that's why they're going to Peter like hey this girl did this because they're like great one more down like I'm closer to the end instead of just like building a connection and him being like wow I love this girl the most. Tammy just I feel like she's playing a video game with him like anytime she comes to him it's not about connecting with him it's about you know oh let me tell you how I feel like I've been

she said tonight I've been collecting this information about her like all she's doing there is to get dirt to convince him that this other quote candidate isn't the right one how many of us were team Tammy from the start I loved Tammy I thought she was like the funny one Bailey not so much

no that's okay you're allowed your opinion it doesn't mean it no she was okay to me we don't wish bad things upon anyone she wasn't my favorite but like she had really funny like one-liners in the interviews and so I was like okay she's like the funny one this season like she probably won't win but like she's there for comedic relief and then she took a turn

yeah I'm not a fan I love Kelly I was gonna say I love Kelly Kelly but what's sad is if we had all Kelly's on this show we wouldn't be talking about it because we wouldn't be watching it we wouldn't be like watching we wouldn't be talking about it real and it feels like a normal relationship you're right we wouldn't be talking about it

and so it's so hard to you know I mean It's very easy to talk about it and laugh about it and do podcasts about it. But it's hard to be like, why are these people like that? Because it's like, well, this is the show we're, you know, it's the same thing as saying, well, we signed up for it or they signed up for it. We're watching it. Oh, yeah.

We're signing up for the drama too. Absolutely. And that's, and that's great. And that's what, you know what? I just love debates. I love conversations. I love opinions and, and no one's wrong. Yeah, no, you're so right.

And they're all coming on. And regardless of, we never know at the end of the day what their true intentions are. And sometimes, like we said earlier, some people go on with the intention of, like, getting that Insta fame. And they come out falling in love and having a totally different, or even just creating friendships within the house. Like, and I think that's something to take away to is that it doesn't have to be that the successful relationship is Peter and one of these women. I'm really excited to see when the dust settles at the end of the season, who's got each other's backs, who's created real lifelong friendships. And, you know, where they take that from. here as they're kind of now brought into this, as we know at Bachelor Nation.

We'll be right back with more off-d-d-vine, grape therapy. This is off-d-vine, grape therapy. I wanted to talk also about Kelsey. Oh, dude, those. I'll say that too. Yeah. She's standing up for people, and I feel like I'm liking her more because I'm seeing some type of, like, authenticity with her being like, this is how I feel in this moment.

I feel true in protecting this person or speaking up about. this and instead of pleasing people. Yeah, she's being exploited for her emotions. She's being... Yeah, like, emotion shamed. She's being emotion shamed. And I was really disturbed by that tonight. I cry every day too.

Okay, Kelsey, it's gonna be fine. You're allowed to cry. The first instances where we saw kind of like one of the girls supporting another girl, I feel like, because they have all been tearing each other down so much. And when she stood up for McKenna, it was amazing. And she didn't take that bullshit from Tammy. It was cool to see that. Like, it was a three of them, right, on the couch?

Yeah. And it felt like, I mean, you know, emotions are high and tensions, you know, whatever. But clearly there's tension between McKenna and Tammy. Kelsey's in the middle. And it was really cool to see, you know, Kelsey's been, I don't like to use the term bullied lightly. But like for her emotions, people are saying she is, she's mentally unstable. aren't we all at times we popper drunk hell popper drunk mental health shaming like at its core like it was really I was really bothered me quite a bit I was really ashamed actually in the show for that

because in this time and what we're all dealing with and how we're also open and vocal about it why wouldn't we not embrace that or put her in a positive light instead of shaming and wanted to share right thing about her medication and that was big right now and allowed to be part of the show yeah exactly like i mean i would i would put money on that a lot of women and men out there are on medication for something in their life you know like i am very open and honest about the fact that i'm on medication for anxiety and depression like i've always very open about it and been very shamed by some of my followers in that i not that i'm on it but bless you It's a sketchy

Oh, bleal it I'm out She can say it better in a sneeze than I do trying my 100% best effort That was amazing But yeah, it's not like I've been shamed about

I guess needing medication But the fact that I speak about it It's like why are you promoting it Like I'm promoting And I'm like Do you do a swipe up for your fucking Larazepam Elena 20% off your Xanax

Like no Yeah But I have been open about like some of my mental health challenges and then it's you know not always easy but i feel like i like to be honest on my page and and you know let other people i want to normalize being normal and then to to receive hate for something that i can't control is really hard so i can imagine really well what it must feel like to be kelsey in these moments where she can't control something and no one's validating her feelings and making her feel bad for feeling something that she can't

help she is literally on an island by herself feeling normal human emotions and being made fun of for it and shamed for it we're validating you girls yeah not only that you are she's my favorite right now yeah she is environment that's just not normal life that's that's a lot dude and she's so in my opinion i'm like she's actually the strongest one there i was gonna say like i just remembered talking about her her past like what she talked about yes she can you remind me because I know she was a lot of heavy stuff I think it was like her I don't want to misquote I know I'm like blank it was something with her she like raised her sister pretty much right that's Victoria P what happened what that was Victoria P okay well then something did happen

yeah you're right no you're right on their date last week her parents divorce and she didn't talk to her dad for like 10 years or something it was something along those lines but even when we talked we saw Kelsey be in a drama with Hannah Ann and the champagne that was rooted in sadness and disappointment it wasn't rooted in like there was accusations thrown but the root of her and her emotions in that moment if we want to talk about that was in disappointment and sadness and I can't imagine what that did feel like it ended up being a mistake for the best that we all know but she her emotions for being so disappointed of being so sad we're still valid and I think that's why we've talked about how Peter did reward a lot of

this drama behavior but he also seems to be cutting through it pretty well too because he kept Hannah Ann and he kept Kelsey and the four other girls that were in drama situations are all now sent home. So while it does seem like he's letting them have a lot of air time with that drama, he's also seeming to like cut through it pretty quickly too, even if there's people like McKenna who really didn't even get a shot after her situation. And I mean, I always want to like reinforce and say we don't see it all. Like there's, you're, I've said this so many podcasts, you're being filled Monday to Monday. 17 hours a day

and you're getting one and a half hours total of airtime once a week. So you don't see so much that's going on. And I mean, not that you really like the dates and the amount of time he spends, it's very little like everything else. You know, you're traveling, you're sleeping, you're whatever.

But you see the edited versions of what makes good TV. Oh, yeah. so it's so hard because it's so easy for us to all sit back here and be like ha this is this but you always want to like also look at well you caught consistency tonight i did you did so it's just proof continuity i look for continuity and everything now like being on reality television has ruined all television for me and that's how it is being in production too it was crazy okay that was the word continuity not consistent but i mean it's same same same same but If you look, okay, you guys, when Victoria F and Peter sat down after their day portion,

they went to their night portion, they sat down and they had these beautiful wine glasses. I would love to know where they're from. And Peter had a glass of red and she had sparkling water up to the top. And they sat down and then she sits down and then he like pushes her in. Yeah. Then the next shot is him sitting down. and her wine glass her glass is not sparkling water anymore she's turned water into wine her tall glass of sparkling water turned into a very empty glass of red and his was the same red

i noticed stuff yeah and then i'm like what does it all mean what no i noticed the i'm like ew why should drink water but really like it's it is crazy because again it just goes to show what do we really know as viewers what do we see what do we not see how can we judge and it's again so great to have a conversation and opinions and see what we see as viewers because again where would i be without this show and the judgment is fluid because like just for example like something i've kind of been thinking about tonight is how Kelsey's been really shamed for how emotional she's been when when i was on big brother i wasn't emotional because i was afraid to share that part of me and i was shamed for that like people couldn't connect me because

well they'll find I mean yeah you just will never win so like no matter what anyone does in any situation people have a negative opinion about it and people have a positive opinion about it but the negative opinions you know they stick harder I was genuinely hated

night one the bachelor what did you do I don't remember by by viewers oh oh you're saying your line yeah I hated everyone's like that because that made me love you you showed up and I was like oh she's my favorite but I'm just thank you but I'm just saying like everyone has their ups and downs on TV and off screen and everyone like who said it I can't remember but somebody was like oh um Lauren Zima she was like so rooting for this one girl I think it was Kelsey he was Kelsey last week and then Kelsey did something silly this week and she went well this tweet wasn't aging well because this week somebody you know something different happens to to this person, we all open our mouths

or say what we're thinking, but the next week we could love them and the week after that we could hate them and that's just the beauty and shittiness of reality TV is that it's entertainment. It is, but do you guys feel like it was

really scripted? It felt like yes. Oh, certain quote, yeah, Hannah-Hann and McKenna both felt like they were giving like these really speeches. Yeah, there was, Peter was doing it. I think we're all doing it. And like it really does like coming back to Kailen's point about it being very produced, like I actually felt that.

Like I think we're all like, okay, let's just as all reality TV is, it is a form of entertainment. And we do have to have that like knowledge behind it, even in having these conversations. But it felt really scripted tonight. All right. Quick break. We all want to do the right thing to keep our bodies healthy in the long run. But even if we try our very best to fill our diets with all the kale salads, the green smooth. these that we all try and do, we're still most likely not getting all the essential nutrients that

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months at ritual dot com slash fine do you feel like we're all just catching on i think a lot of been watching for so many seasons and that it's the same freaking script and not that there is an actual script everybody always thinks there is but there's not but it's the same format i mean even when the champagne thing happened so many people on twitter and wherever were like how did she not know that producers clearly set that up you know it's like people are catching on that producers are making make the drama happen because now people have people have a voice on social media we never had that before. So we watched TV as if it was real life. Now we have the, I'm not going to call them characters because they're real people, but we have these people who also have a voice now on

social media and everybody's following them. So they're capable and they're able to say, um, I was set up for this or what I mean, maybe not because of their contract. But you know, like they have a voice now where people who now are out of contract like myself or anyone who has a podcast, they're able to be like, well, that was set up. Well, that was a producer move. Or that was manipulated. Nobody's been able to hear that before. We're now we're in a society where we can just Google it or hear about it on social

media where we're just more aware of it. I think it's been the same shit every time. A third of everyone who's been on reality TV has a podcast now and talks about it pretty openly. Shout out. Well, yeah. Download rate, review, leave five stars for miscellaneous podcasts. Thank you so much.

I was going to give you all the plug here but it's true like I mean thank God it's true because I think it's so important for us who you know people who you think you're going to go on the show and do this and then you come off and people

who get really I can't use certain words people who get really messed up from you know certain situations and I've been there it's nice to have a voice and be able to Defend your truth. Defend your truth.

Something that you felt and that you went through or that you felt manipulated by or you know for sure was a produced scene or was edited completely improperly. And you're the victim now of that scene. And that's the only truth that viewers can see. So then they, you know, assign you that. And it's not at all who you are or what happened. It's really hard to deal with it. And so it's nice to be able to come online or get on a podcast and share at least a little

bit more about your heart or your intention. just having the freedom to do it that's something that I go through a lot I think like I pretty much accepted that if you hate me you're going to hate me and I'm not going to change your mind and you shouldn't want to and I don't like I'm like I'm not going to waste my time

trying to convince you to like me if you don't already like obviously you have bad taste but it's nice to be able to just say it I'm like looking around because I'm like who's going to talk next? Oh well I was just going to bring up the one thing tonight that definitely wasn't scripted

the head glass that's what I was going to say that's where I was going next him smashing his head oh good god that bandit and the bikini butt blurs oh yeah we got to talk about those these are the real MVPs of the episode

the bikini butt blurs really did something for me I could not stop talking about them what happened to the black box yes it was like somewhat like I like this so much more like they gave them diaper her butt. I don't. I feel like the girl with the yellow swimsuit on had just like

two different sponge bobs on her butt cheeks. I could not stop staring at her butt for not a fun or reason. Why can we see their kneecaps, their feet, their stomach, their boobs, their neck, their face, but we can't see their butt cheeks. Why? Who knows? We can see Peter naked showering, but can't see a butt.

I don't get it. We can see their cleavage. Like, what's really different? It's all occur. Cleavage is more like revealing. I feel like than your butt. It's a body. Let's show or body of sexualization of most random things. I swear to goodness. Elena,

I will tell you. Her feet are very famous. And thank you. But no, that's so real. This episode, I got to say that freaking head cut though, that I was so distracted and the girls know I couldn't stop talking about

how rancid that bandit looked. It just kept getting worse and worse. Like, I don't know what those doctors put on him. It was like, like, Billy, it looks like paper mashet. I was very,

convinced it with paper machet. Like, I think a toddler put the bandaid on. Yeah. It was like collecting. You're on. It wasn't like a bandaid. It was like a stare strip that got like lint on them. My theory, my theory is, is that to make him more relatable and lovable where we're

like. I think so. I think they were too scared to change it because they were on vacation. Continuity. Oh. Maybe. Oh, they wouldn't have to edit a different thing. But what about a little like liquid bandage?

That's what I was like. Like Hello Kitty Band-Aid. Or just a clean Band-Aid. A Hello Kitty wouldn't do because they need to get approval. Like I'm a mom and like that's what a Band-Aid looks like after like your kid has been so whiny and like won't let you change the Band-Aid. They've like gone outside and played in the dirt. It just got so progressively worse. I'm really looking forward to next week when the Band-Aid is gone.

The previews has shown us that the Band-Aid is gone. Oh, it has? No, we just have a scar. I think he has a little scar. This is the point of the show that I'm invested. Is this Band-Aid now? I am more invested in Peter's relationship with the Band-Aid than him with any of the women. He needs to send it home.

I am going to send the Band-Aid home. Send the Band-Aid home. I think I'm most invested in the logistics of how you hit your head on something and then smash your glass on it and shatter it. Like, I've done a lot of weird shit and I fumble a lot. but I've never like, how. Can you think about the glass? Okay, yeah, let's far away from his head. Logistically, how do you do this?

Yeah, you have to bang your head so hard to ricochet all the way down. I love her we're all acting this out right now. If anything, he should have smashed his head open on the golf cart. Sure. Yeah. But the fact that he bounced off that and then somehow broke a glass with the other side of his forehead. And then why didn't he have it to go cup? You know, like you're leaving a room and getting on a golf cart.

And then my other question is. Why did Chris Harrison never invite me to go golfing? I like golfing. Is that what they were doing? I just assumed that's how they got around, like, quote, set. Ooh, that's a great, great question. Can you confirm or deny? Like, how did you get around?

Maybe. Golf cart. Okay. Actually, usually a black SUV, but that's because we spent most of the time in L.A. And went to... Yeah, I feel like the resort, maybe. That was just where they were going was... Okay, well, whatever.

I never want to call me. The video is pretty amazing, and I love that they have that. but 22 stitches is intense like that was not a joke that's no but that's what i'm saying like oh yeah he destroyed his head that wasn't over dramatized a little bit like maybe he had seven stitches i feel like i've seen the scar i feel just telling the truth yeah i haven't it's pretty aggressive you i mean that's some physics he just like whacked and bounced and yeah it was it was a it was a tough bounce yeah yeah i don't know i might have one up on peter lucky i wasn't holding glass.

I'm telling you. Can you imagine? You would have had a go cup, though, because you're a pro. Is there anything we're missing from the episode? Probably. So many things. Oh, can you think of any? No.

Because it's so boring to me. Like Victoria F. What dates did we have? Oh, the Victoria F. She was the one who like came into the one-on-one situation, sits down with him. And then he starts to talk to her about her feelings and she just gets like, gets up and leaves like, I don't know. I don't know.

and it sucks him in he is like so drawn to this every single time she starts like creates the self-doubt and this like oh this almost like pity she created a pity conversation about her and then he just like buys into it like I want to take care of you and she gets the rose and she walks safely for the rest of the week it felt really weird and parallel to other Victoria yeah other Victoria who is all confident and is like he said she was too confident almost yeah because that's what's going to say i think katelyn made the point earlier maybe sarah about the victoria f situation that the second she expresses any kind of uncertainty he wants to give a rose because he needs the validation that like no you do want to stay so it's like is that how she's feeling or is she strategic enough to realize that that's a manipulation tactic and getting to stay longer for her

extra like 50 000 instagram followers each week or whatever she just seems to play the pity card like with everything though not just with him it was like She was scared of the roller coaster. She was scared of the fashion show. She just keeps being timid, and he is drawing to that. Like, he likes that. And that could be someone's, you know, nerves or how they flirt to, like, whatever. But it just comes across as a little.

I think it's too because we know stuff. Like, also, the photo shoot, her winning that, but now not being on the cover. Right. Because we've just advocated for Kelsey feeling feelings. It's like, I hate to add to that dialogue of like, oh, that's not what you were feeling. It was just manipulation because I don't actually know her intention or her heart. Right. But I will say that's at least how it's being edited for me to receive it, which isn't letting me love it.

But advocate of the situation, possibly that is exactly what she's feeling and she should be allowed to feel it, I guess. I think difference being that we're watching Victoria F, is it Victoria F, go off. to the producers, and we're seeing that, versus Kelsey, who's actually facing her feelings going forward and having conversations with people in the house. So it feels like, yeah, she, it seems a lot more threatening when you're just like, I'm done, I'm leaving. Like, this is, this is not the first time that we've watched her actually walk off set when she was clearly, like, supposed to be there.

So it almost seems a little bit more elevated and not in the way that I feel like we're, we're shaming her for having those emotions. And I don't think it's more of the way it's being, like, shamed. But I do. But I do just being in situations like that. Absolutely agree. It's, I get it, ish. Well, take a second.

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Like we saw McKenna and. Tammy on the two on one it was a weird two on one yeah it was they've never done one right before a ceremony like it was almost like a and there was no rose on it either so like to have it was like their own private cocktail party again it's just where it felt like I wasn't

watching those people have connections I was watching producers manipulate a situation where there would be more drama and then seeing Peter not be like self-assured in any decision he's making because if you know that you're not going to keep McKenna then why did you keep McKenna?

It was like a principal's office right from the car to invite like yes. What did it even say? It said like enough enough. I was just about to say that. Normally a principal's office not enough and he needed to keep McKenna to like for an hour just to send her home and not talk to her again and then just send her home. Just send them home

the two on one because that makes you seem like you know what you want you know what you're doing. And that's not even a producer move or like a good TV move because everybody's like, wait, what? I feel like better TV would have been like, whoa, drama. We sent them both home on the same night. He knows that he is not ready to like move forward

with either of them. And he can focus on the road ceremony, but it's like you keep McKenna with intention and then an hour and a half later, you wait till the... But like he said he trusted her and I don't even think you talk to her again. No, I was just about to say the like a normal

two on one still feels like it's like the two girls hate each other, but they still try to like this is their time to get to know him like final like final safe and he literally sat them down and was like let's let's hash this out like it literally just was like bringing them together to hash out their issue not even like get to know him it wasn't a date situation it had nothing to do with his relationship with either of them individually it had everything to do with the drama surrounding situation and i just i just didn't love it feel like we're rushing this whole season like just to get the whole season it just goes back because there's no

connection you just literally feel like you've been watching this drama show and i like i literally am not invested in any relationship right now i do feel like i have hope for next week though i feel like once we're down to six it does seem like all the drama has left like sydney seemed to be involved in a lot of drama like you had mckenna and tammy you had lea like they're all kind of gone like i feel like the six remaining are genuine connections that we haven't really seen i think they're happening but we're just It's usually how this goes. Yeah, it's just drama. And then now I think, I hope we'll start to actually see conversations and get to know these

girls. Yeah. And you can tell that they're feeling it too. Because Kelly said that on her time with him. She was like, you know, next week's hometown. Like we haven't even spent time together. You're supposed to meet my family. Who are you?

Like, yeah. What's in. Because he's like asking you're like, are you in this? Are you? And she's just like, like, being really honest about it. Yeah. I think she even said like. How can you expect them to like, yeah.

Think that he is potentially their husband. been she said like i'm enjoying this like let's just like see where it goes and i think he was almost like what you mean you don't want to be my wife and she's like i don't know your favorite cereal yeah captain crunch you're like intention as a lead i think you expect all these people to just be like well i want to get married right now and i'm in love with the bachelor that's the bachelorette that's what the end goal is instant infatuation where that's so unrealistic and it's just too they've gotten angry at him this season yeah usually it's just like goo-go-gaga eyes for the lead the whole time and they're kind of like I think they're even frustrated with some things he's done

I like that I like that that's something I like I actually really I do I like it all of the things and how much they've done the fact that they stood up for themselves and I don't remember exactly what was and I know this is like last week's episode but it kind of tied into this one again was after the football incident when they worked their asses off for a date and and got basically sideline for somebody who wasn't even there, didn't even participate in. We saw them this week covered in bruises and carrying that anger with them. And it was righteous anger. They had every right to be mad.

And they were fighting for like that respect. And I was like, this is amazing because in a show like this, it can be hard to see that respect. We're watching him literally tell somebody that he's falling in love with them and then kiss another woman in front of them. It's very contrived feeling to have this. We're not, we don't feel a lot of respect in these types of situations. And these women kind of stood. up collectively and respected themselves enough to say something to Peter and kind of had that

conversation which would not have been easy because you know by saying something he could have easily just been like time to go home and I noticed the drama has been kind of interesting in where it's placed like the the women were kind of rooting each other on when they were making out with each other in the cosmopolitan magazine wait you know what I mean soap opera that was the soap opera date cosmopolitan they were like just standing there awkwardly soap opera they were like yay like when they were kissing that's what you're thinking I don't know I just

I just remember women like cheering for the other one I think it was Kelsey was cheering when McKenna finally kissed him at the end yeah yeah that's what it was which is a little cool but mostly weird but it's still a little cool but like you're rooting for your friend a little bit but also I think it was the weirdest

when Kelly dressed up like the nana and like that was hilarious when she was like incest is the best yeah quote of the night I mean, I will say she's the, she's easy to like because she seems to be the most authentic in a lot of the conversations, but it's also the opposite of what the audience wants because there's not a lot of animation or, you know, drama or excitement, but that did make me like big time, L.O.L. So I like, totally. Who's the 31 year old? Oh, I love her.

What's her name? Natasha. Natasha. Natasha. I really like Natasha too. Emotional maturity, Natasha. She has stood up for her. multiple times about Peter and she's just like she even tonight was asking him how are you

feeling like and she's just so mature and I really like her yeah yeah we have to gossip she was showing up to see I want to connect with you let's chat I want to get to know you more right and I think one thing we do have to remember when we're talking about a lot of these personalities and stuff and this is not to put down some of these younger girls but it is like clearly a decade of difference and emotional maturity like if I was 21 going on that show I would not have been capable of handling a lot of things that I would at 31 years old. So we're seeing that a lot, too. These women are put in this house.

And of course, a lot of the older women are like, they're feeling a little bit annoyed by some of the things. They're feeling a little bit annoyed by people not actually having handled their emotions yet. But at the same time, they're a decade ahead in life. And we got to give them credit for that. These girls are doing the best they can with the cards that they've been handed and what they're working with, I think. I just think that we're all so ready to move.

past a lot of just like this school yard stuff with principal peter yeah pretty principal peter it used to be a pistol pete yeah i was going to say pistol pete is turned into principal pete and ain't nobody got time for that okay i have a question okay at this point so far with what we've seen who would be each of your top vote for next bachelorette if it comes from this season kelsey Kelsey yeah i agree wow okay yeah I feel like she's vulnerable, she's strong, she's beautiful, she's authentic. I feel like she's not afraid to talk about her emotions. I feel like she's just like, well, I don't want to take the other girls down.

I just feel like she's just really mature and how old is she? Do we know? I don't know. I think she's 28. Okay. She just seems. She just seems like she's a little more self-aware and, um, it's, um, it's, um, accepting of who she is and ready

and she can be vulnerable too and funny and yeah I also liked the girl that he sent home at the very beginning she was the one that killed it on the football field do you guys remember her name oh yes she was she was so awesome and I feel like that's one thing like she was sent home so early did she have pony's 28

I gave it a goof I gave it a gooke I just wanted to know for myself who are you talking about oh man that's gonna drive me I know what you're talking about she was standing next to I can't remember name's the 31 year old like she's she was the one remember when they were playing on the football field she was the one who was absolutely killing like just like jondra was maybe it was but she was sent home early in this and i was mckinna she was killing it yeah mckenna crushed that football she's yeah

nailed it love her all right so mr chris harrison was telling me about this crazy party hulu through in beverly hills with all the biggest reality tv stars from like every show and And now I have to watch the commercials to see what happened like everyone else. I don't usually get FOMO, but in this case, I have extreme FOMO here. Luckily for you, Hulu has the reality TV that you love. So start your free trial today at Hulu.com. I feel like one thing that, Bachelor, I got to say this, and maybe this comes from me and my own platform.

I'm so ready for more diversity and inclusivity in the show. Oh, I would like to see somebody that looks like me on TV. I mean, I have because I've seen someone to you, but I'm just like different. I'm putting Elena Ford for the next. like that's all I basically want to see and I think that's why we're maybe feeling like even when we answered the question just now but who we would like to see I'm like I still don't know that that would be my choice like I'm just really ready yeah I think it's the same as as and again like no offense to anyone because I think it's the same thing with watching the

Victoria's Secret fashion show it's like no doubt these women are beautiful we're not doubting that we're we're they're doing beautiful things too they're not just walking down a runway they're doing charity work they're giving back they're doing amazing things it takes a lot of hard work and talent so much hard work but you want to see they just I've never seen them in my opinion cast anybody oversized like 25 gene

see it's not fair for me to say oh wait that's funny because that's 25 gene but like I feel like is that Canadian what is it no well no but but like most of us it's like two four six eight ten oh we have that too yeah but I just

like they would never cast my body type. And that's what Bailey and I've been speaking about a lot today. And I feel about saying like I want to see normal on TV because 100% of the women on The Bachelor and Now are normal. But what they aren't is diverse. So I'm not seeing girls that are short. I'm not seeing girls that are tall. I'm not seeing girls that are young and old and different sizes.

And it's frustrating for me as someone who is like petite but really curvy to like look at TV and think that I like couldn't be represented or I could never be on the show because I all love to be represented. We all love to see images that we relate to. And I think that's why we're so ready. We, yeah, and it gives us like that moment of like championing for somebody that puts us into that, you know, even that dream type of scenario, that fantasy of being on a show like that, right? And I think that there, I do want to see a little bit more of that. And I want to see it more and more again.

I think they can't really get away with having the one black bachelorette and like we did it. We did diversity. Like, no, we can keep doing it. And I really want to see it in more ways in different ways. and truly to keep us interested right now we're very step forward wise and i think it's getting us a little bit bored too that it is kind of creating these similar types of people and very different i got to say this i don't think we've had a great personality that's what i was just about to say kaitland and in just in general no i love you and i'm not just saying that because you're here

but yeah the other thing i would like to see more representation in is different types of personalities i agree i we were talking about this tonight like i feel like i would my mom was a huge is a huge bachelor fan and she always wanted me to be on that show and she's like pushed me for it and blah blah and I just felt so hopeless in that because I'm like I'm to this I'm to that I'm too outgoing I'm too forward I'm too abrasive I'm too curvy I'm too overweight I'm to whatever and it's I'm to everything and they I just feel like they keep everyone in a box and I'm just in every single way all limbs outside that box and it's frustrating to not see different types of personalities and different types of bodies and it makes me feel hopeless and like I even said this earlier

tonight too like what they're basically to just retweet what sarah just said i didn't feel any hope in the industry that i wanted to be in because i've felt really purposeful in being in entertainment i was in radio before until katelyn came on the show because i connected to your personality i was like wow they're we're moving in a direction i like like i could have a shot at chasing my dream of being in comedy or doing something in front of a camera because this girl is bold and different and exciting and funny and witty and smart not just like cookie cutter and thank you for saying that

it's it would like it really literally inspired me personally but I just feel like we took a step forward and then took a couple steps backward one giant leap for the moon and something about what Elaine is saying is what a lot of people are feeling is we all just kind of feel like

I'm married I can't really have a shot and I have three kids imagine but it's like that feeling of I'm not enough and yet I'm too much And I don't want people watching it to feel that. And I think that that feels coming back to the Kelsey, coming back to the emotions, coming back to all of this stuff. It's like, I want to see somebody who's a little bit too much. I want to see somebody who potentially has thought at one point that they weren't enough for a show like this and to show them that they are.

And I think we need a really strong bachelor. We need somebody who is such a champion for seeing beauty and all the facets that it is. And we start seeing this change. And you know what? I think we're going to get real interested again because it's going to bring us back down. to the original roots of chemistry and connection and understanding that it's not as surface as even Blair said. It's been, it feels really surfaced this season. We want to see, we want to get fired up again and get passionate about what's happening and these human

connections. And you know what? It would be so fun to watch even the bachelor and the bacheloretts get surprised by who they're attracted to. Get surprised by the connections they have in the chemistry that they feel like fall in the format. Change the format a little bit. And I know that's so hard for them because it's worked so well for so many years. and just wear paper bags night one see how it goes and who wow that's a great idea and who you know as as people who who make this show why would they change something that's so successful because they got to get ahead of it before it goes it i agree i wasn't saying that like yeah well i would i'm i'm totally agreeing with you it's like but i just why don't they see that yeah that's a good

point because again let's go back to your season and the fact that that was so bold for them to have somebody who was a different personality than somebody who was really willing to just be a stepford wife and really stepped out in their own personality and really spoke their truth and kept their narrative very strong and you have for all these years but let's keep in mind you remain relevant and real and with such a captivated audience and remain at the helm of like this whole bachelor nation thing because of that and I think we're seeing a lot of like we see the couples that come and go and we see them go on to like bachelor in paradise and and keep their relevancy by staying in that cycle. But there's very few that I find years later. I'm still watching and

still connecting to one being like this goes way back. Michelle Money. I loved watching Michelle Money. She was always out there. She was always so funny. She was always kind of inappropriate. And I followed her on social. I love to see it. I've been following her on social media for so long. And I've just found her so entertaining. And I'm like, I just want more out of the. out of what we're getting out of this. And you saw her grow and become so real and into her own too from it. Yeah. It's so cute. And even, oh, no, Blair, you let me go outside. I was just going to say quickly, like, you saying something about Paradise. Like, it's even funny now, like, watching the show, everyone's like, oh, well, see you in Paradise. Like, we even know, like, what people are meant for the

Paradise situation. Like, it's just really predictable. Yeah, you're like, oh, well, they're going to play this role in Paradise. They're going to play this role in Paradise. And you know, it's crazy, too, is saying, you know, like, I totally understand where you're coming from. from Sarah when you say like the Stepford wife thing that we've all seen so much but I don't even think that's who these women are I think that's who they've been edited to be and or they feel like that's what they should be and that's I think the part that bothers me like you get on a show you've watched so many years and you're like okay this is what I need to do in order to get this Instagram following or make it to the next week or maybe if I lose be the next bachelor

bachelor or get on paradise and it's like is that who you are is that who you're wanting to be to please producers. And even is that who you're edited to be? Right. There's so much editing. We'll never understand. The producers are the ones that are selecting the cast. It's not the girl's fault.

There's something that they're doing wrong. It's what is being chosen for the show. And I think the second this cast was shown, that went all over the internet that day, just that picture and being like, did they, oh, they're all just going to share the same wardrobe. And we're actually watching it. They're all sharing the same wardrobe. They're borrowing each other's dresses.

They're all the same size, essentially. And that does become a little bit like. well that's a little boring like I think we could do better than not even just to like let's just tap a little bit more into a little bit more inclusivity but I think that it's it's not even about their behaviors and the suffered wives of them just like trying to fit in and belong I think if anybody's being a separate wife it's probably Peter this season but overall like I think I'm just really ready for for different personalities and just something to keep our attention and keep us excited I feel like that's the one thing I'm a little bit bummed on is like I'm just not excited

I agree with you completely I'm going to sound really stupid What are y'all saying? Stepford wife Oh it's like an old movie Where I love you You're the cutest It's like basically an old movie or show

I don't even know It's a movie And it's basically like creating women To They're all like kind of clones Like this is how you're meant to me This is how you're supposed to look This is how you're supposed to behave

Kind of like putting women back in a box Where we're just like cook and clean And be a wife Yeah Gotcha I used to serve I used context clues, but I just, you know, wasn't 100% sure what y'all were saying. You guys, I feel like after this podcast, we are like the view, but, but like in a, like a.

Barbara. What's the view? I'm just kidding. Hey, when it's, it's 2020 and you're Barbara Walter. Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh. This is. And this is 20-20.

It is. I almost feel like. Like we should have our own little, if we all lived in the same city or if we could all just get on one little camera together, like we could be this little panel that just has so many great opinions. Just everyone, we're going to Amazon Prime a green screen to every home. We'll each individually film and then I'll edit it all together. I mean, I already Amazon Prime something else for Caitlin to do.

So. At Furbo. This is how we end the show. There you go. We tease it for Tuesday. Find out Tuesday what Bailey ordered me when I confess. Ooh, that's going to be a good confession. Wow.

Way to get my downloads up. You're welcome. Thank you guys so much for podcasting with you at 3 a.m. Yeah. Yeah, I'm tired. Yeah. And watching seven hours of the same thing. I got to take this gassy girl, wow, I can't even speak.

I don't take this gassy girl home to bed. And two bell over you tonight. I'm sorry. I'm sorry in advance. I'll be a big spoon. I love me. Are you staying at Herp Hotel? Unclear at this time.

Okay. I'm going to be tootting wherever I am. I finally get to cuddle with Jason and the dogs. He's been gone for a few days. And Bailey, change your flight. So she's here, too. Who are you coming with? You get to sleep in.

You get to cuddle with the dogs in the morning. Yeah, honestly. Yeah, you would have been at the airport. It really would have been too much. You'd have been tumbling your way down the stairs straight to the airport. Oh, my gosh. All right, close it out, Caitlin. Okay, thank you, everyone.

Thank you, Vinos for listening to this bachelor recap. I personally loved this recap because it was so many good conversations. So it's not just my typical, like, well, I don't list date to this person did this. What are you, Barney? No. Like, Bunk's funny. What are you? Guys, she's loony-toony.

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