Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelor Recap with Abigail Heringer

Episode Date: March 4, 2021

Kaitlyn sits down with fan favorite and first impression rose winner (BDE, anyone?) Abigail Heringer! Abigail shares how she ended up on the franchise, explores the “what ifs” of her time on Matt’s season, and answers questions from the vinos. The two also discuss Abigail’s experience as the first hearing-impaired contestant on the Bachelor franchise and how important representation and learning is -- off and on our TV screens. Plus, Abigail reveals her pick for the next Bachelorette, admits what former Bachelor is her type, and plays a game of Abigail Tells All to give away awards to the fellow women of Matt James’ season. Follow Abiligal on IG at @abigail_heringer Springtime Supplements - Go to springtime.com/VINE to get free shipping on your first order and learn how you can save up to 50% MeUndies - To get your 15% off your first order, free shipping, a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee, go to MeUndies.com/VINE Geico - Go to GEICO dot com, get a quote, and see how much YOU could save Ritual - Get key nutrients–without the B.S. Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off during your first 3 months. Visit ritual.com/VINE to start your Ritual today. Pluto TV - Download the free Pluto TV app and start streaming now!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. I was so excited to have the opportunity to get to know one of my favorite and probably yours too from this season. She was the first impression rose winner. We like to call that big dick energy and just someone who lit up our screens from week to week during Matt James season. But wait, having that big dick energy, aka the first rose impression.

energy, does that hurt or help you on the season? We'll find out. Abigail, join me to talk about her life outside of the franchise, her time on the show, and of course this week's episode, which was The Women Tell All. It was incredible to be able to sit down with her for this conversation. I'm sure you guys will love her even more after hearing about it. We get to know the what ifs, if she's still feeling the what ifs. And Abigail for Bachelorette, I'm down. Enjoy today's interview and recap with Abigail Herringer. Hi. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, sweet, sweet angel girl. Oh, my gosh, wait, I'm so excited. So nice to meet you.

You're just obviously such a fan favorite because there's so much drama always, but there's always one that someone's just like, we were all rooting for you. And you're just so sweet and yourself. And I know there's probably so many, you know, behind-the-scenes things we could find out about you that we didn't find out about on The Bachelor, which is kind of what I want to do today is learn more about you, your experience, things we didn't get to see. I know you're super close with your family. How did they feel about you going on the show? They were actually really supportive. I was really shocked. I feel like when you have to break that news, so like your family, you're like, okay, I'm going to

go date someone on national television. Like, you just don't know how they're going to take it. But no, they were super excited. I remember we had, like, a family dinner, and we were, like, breaking the news to my grandparents, too, that this is what I was going to be doing. And my dad, like, pulled up. So Matt has, like, his bio, like, on the ABC website. So he just, like, pulled it up, and he was, like, reading information about Matt to,

like, my grandparents and everything. So they were super supportive. Yeah, I definitely would have nodded on it if they were. Yeah, that's cool. I love when families are so supportive. But the fact that your grandparents were involved, like my grandpa was still around when I went on. And he was getting pretty senile. And I remember calling him after. And he thought he was talking to my sister. And he goes, what is Kate doing now? Just guys. Like he was like so upset about it. And I was like, this is Kate. And he was like, Oh, how did go?

It's just a really strange concept for a lot of people to understand. It's nice when family can get behind it. Were they surprised that you go on a show like this? Or is this like classic Abigail going to do something crazy? It's definitely not like me to do something like this. I think I'm normally pretty low-key, just kind of in all aspects of my life. And so when I said that this is something that I wanted to do,

and I had the opportunity to do it, I think they were like, are you sure? Like, it doesn't sound like you. But yeah, no, I think it was a huge leap of faith that I did. I mean, obviously, I'm super glad I did it, but no, it was not like me at all to do it. Yeah, there's just sometimes, this is, I love when people, you know, step out outside of their comfort zone and do something because then you see the opportunities or the people that you get to meet through it and situations and a community you get to build like it's so many cool things can come even if you don't find love on that show if you do it the right way which you have but it's it's just so interesting to hear when people don't like I was all for it and my family was like classic Caitlin who would go on The Bachelor and so it's

interesting to hear when other people that are afraid to do something or that's definitely outside of their comfort zone what advice would you give to them about how to approach it Are you like just freaking go for it? Or are you like, let's plan, let's think it all through. What kind of advice would you give there? Well, I do remember, I mean, all I could think about was the first night because I really thought I was going to go home the first night. All I could think about was I have to try to flirt with someone, like on national TV.

Like, I already have a hard enough time as it is, just in person with one guy at a bar. So I was just like, I don't know how I'm going to do this. But I think the biggest advisor, what I tried to do, do was just trying to stay, you know, authentic to myself and not try to cater to, you know, maybe some of the drama that was going on or try to force myself to be louder than I might be or, yeah, I think just trying to be myself was kind of the biggest thing. It's nice to know, too, for you, that being yourself was enough to stand out. You know what I mean? Like, you didn't, some people think they got to go in there. I, guilty, I go in, like, let's go

like guns blaze and let's get you know but but it's nice and it must be reassuring to know that you can go into a situation like that being yourself being authentic and know that that made you stand out like that's such a cool experience to take away from that and you're talking about how you know it's you had to flirt you knew you had to flirt and put yourself in the situation what do you usually do at a bar to flirt are you the flirting type or what what's because I read absolutely not really no in your bio you said you your move is to like bump into a guy that's genius i'm yeah i don't know why more people don't do that yeah it's very simple and effective but you're so you're not usually the flirty type now my question is i would love to see you as the bachelorette i don't

know if they've chosen one yet or what's going on i know it's i mean i have little inside scoops here in there and I just don't know. I would love to see you as The Bachelorette, but you'd have to flirt with a lot of men. How would you do that? Or in Paradise, maybe. Whoever knows what next step for you is, has this given you more confidence

in your flirting game? Oh, I mean, absolutely. I was like watching back some of the episodes because I think when you're going through the experience, because I think all, like, your time with Matt, it's so kind of hyped up in a sense. Like you spent all day getting ready and then you go to cocktail party.

you're like, okay, I only have, what, maybe 10 minutes with him. And then when those 10 minutes actually happen, you kind of black out because you're like, okay, I have to make sure, like, what I'm saying is making, you know, the most of our time. And but watching it back, I was actually like, wow, I actually held myself pretty well when I was talking to him. I was like, okay, like, that's not too shabby. I think like my confidence throughout the show definitely got filled up. And I think part of it too was just Matt, like he's just so easy to talk to. nothing was for so it just came out super super easy with him yeah even podcasting with him he's just so

easy to talk to he makes everybody feel comfortable and i i really enjoyed that about him through the season now sometimes people come off the season and they're bitter towards the bachelor or i was i was like the fuck did you do i was so mad did you come do you just feel like from from watching the show back, from talking to him at Men Tell All, did you get closure or do you still have those what-if feelings? Walking away from the show, I think I was more, I was really happy with how my experience went. I think I kind of was still viking on that high just a little bit.

I think, you know, I was really proud of the conversations that we had, our time that we spent together. I got to me a really amazing person. But then watching the episodes on air, I think that kind of brought up, more the what it questions because i was just like it looks like we had a really good connection like we have so much fun together and it's just you know why did i just not you know even get a date you know i mean it's just right those what it questions just you know kept coming up you know when

people say you get big dick energy you had like the big first row energy like you you get that first impression rose and you're like i'm it like i'm the one he's probably saving the most extravagant date for me he's waiting like when you get that first impression rose it's a tease but it's also giving you a lot of confidence later you might be losing through the episodes which is terrified so the fact that you didn't really get that date like did you i i watched this episode i swear but did you get the chance to ask him about that or no so on the episode that he just sent me home i did kind of just bring it up but i try to frame it more as because i know he's he's going through a lot and if anything he's managing you know at that point it was like time

relationships while i'm only focusing on my relationship so i had no idea what was going through his head and so i didn't want to place the blame bully on him you know why aren't you giving me a one of one um it was just more just letting him know like i'm just sad that i haven't gone that time with you yet i would love to have that time with you but we were just so close to hometowns at that point And I just think our relationship has just fallen so far behind just because we never got that time. So frustrating on that show, the time aspect of it, because obviously time is all you need. Speaking from experience as being the Bachelorette, there were guys where I didn't think would be Ben Higgins. Never in my life thought he would be in my final three.

But because I got to spend more time with him and see more of who he was, that really, does matter and it's like you've got to think sometimes the what if the what if we did get that time and i don't know what happens this season because there's just so much going on in franchise and in the world everything right now that i really actually don't know what happens but let's say he is done the show and he's still single and you guys started chat would there be a chance or would you ever consider trying that out again if he was down, if he was single, or are you like, that chapter's closed and I'm ready to move on? That's quite a hypothetical question.

I love hypotheticals. I'll probably put a hypothetical game with you later. I love people putting people in uncomfortable positions, so buckle up. I can't wait. Honestly, I think I just kind of look at it as our time that's kind of just done. because I think we had a really good time together, and I learned a lot from him. I learned a lot about myself with him, but I think, you know, just watching it back, it is hard, like, seeing those relationships, you know, just kind of form when your relationship

was happening at the same time. And I just think that he did have a stronger connection with the other women. And so I just, I think it would be really hard for me to try to, you know, come in at this point and say, oh, yeah, like, let's give it another shot. you know, I think that chapter is closed. I mean, that's a very hypothetical question, but yeah, I think, yeah, no, I think I'm happy with how it went ultimately, but yeah, I think that chapter is stuff I'd like to. I think that's always one of the greatest things that can come from the show is your self-worth. You were able to take that experience and grow and learn about yourself

and come out of it with more confidence in yourself, in your dating life, and how you approach everything, which is such a beautiful gift. And I always say on my podcast and just when I'm talking to people in general about it is if you can use that show to your advantage, whether that's learning about yourself, building something on your own afterwards, still keeping good relationships with people from the show. Like, that's a win because you'll always be able to learn and grow from it. But I don't want to spend too much time on Victoria. Do you feel like what we saw on TV was real or was she just, that was her sense of humor or do you think like she needs a hug right now or what's going on? Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, everything you saw on TV, it was worse coming out

of her mouth. Right. I mean, it was actions that she did. I got to know her in the house and a lot of it wasn't shown, honestly, just with, you know, the time constraints and everything. And I know she has a good heart in there. I think the way she can base it sometimes, it can be a little abrasive. And a lot of things that was shown was absolutely not appropriate. You know, just calling other women's names, attacking them. I absolutely don't condemn that. But I also hope that people also give her a chance in some ways, too, of just knowing that what you saw on TV is not someone's character 100%. It's not black and white like that either. That's why it's tough too. And that's, it's hard to watch, obviously, knowing what goes on behind the scenes and how they can edit or whatever,

Because I can realize she said these things and they're nasty, but sometimes you're bantering with a producer or sometimes it's like a sense of humor, but they can put the, you know, angry music behind it to make it seem evil. And there's all these things. But I mean, that one for me was tough because I'm like, how do I back her up? I can't. But yeah, I agree with giving, you know, people grace. There's a fine line between bullying and poking fun. And I think Victoria can actually handle the poking fun, which is great. And I think that's really important for her in life because I think that's, if she's going to put those things out there, I think she needs to be able to take it back.

So I think that's a really great quality that she has is that she's able to be poked and, you know, teased and stuff. But there's a fine line between that and bullying. Grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with Bud MGM Casino. Check out our hottest exclusive. Friends of one with multi-drop. Wanted even more options? Play a wide variety of table games.

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way to go but how important was that for you or was that something that you were like well no that's just part of who i am did you know that that was going to come out of it to to you know impact so many people at home watching. No, I definitely didn't expect that. If anything, I was kind of a little bit more hesitant to come on just because I feel like for some people when they come on, it's only one layer for them. It's, you know, they're going on the show to find somebody and that's the end goal. But I knew kind of with me coming on, it was, you know, that was my main goal.

But I also knew that there was going to be that other layer kind of with, you know, my hearing loss. And I really didn't know how people were going to take it. just because I've never had to talk about it on a scale like that. And I just know there's so many opinions and there's so many, you know, interpretations of the different communities. And I kind of had some experiences growing up where it wasn't the best. So I just didn't know if it was going to be those type of experiences amplify, you know,

times a million. But no, I was shocked at first at how many nice messages were coming at. And I was like, okay, wait. And I kind of took a step back. And I was like, honestly, I think it. It's just such a untouched kind of the gray space I kind of talked about, the women's tall. I think that's what people have been waiting so long, just for it to come to light. Yeah.

So, I mean, the response has been amazing. Yeah, it's, I mean, watching the show, I think people just loved you from the get-go. You could tell you were authentic and you, and you were genuinely there and you wanted to talk and have real conversations. And I think so many people were disappointed that we didn't get to see more of you because we want to know your story and we want to know why you are the way you are

and all these things and I'm sure you've talked about it so many times now in interviews and podcasts and whatever. But you talk about that great area and just for my listeners if they don't know

could you elaborate a little bit on that and what that means for you? Kind of just kind of what I touched on at the women's cell all is, you know, I think a lot of people view kind of hearing losses

well there's two communities. There's a hearing community when you speak vocally and then there's the duck community with a capital D and those are people that fully embrace, you know, their hearing loss, they don't get a cochlear implant and then they use sign language. But then you have people like me that, you know, originally we're in the deaf community, but then get a cochlear implant and you kind of transition out of that community because I don't use sign language right now,

but at the same time, I'm not fully in the hearing community because I still may help in some ways. You know, I still need close captioning. I still need, you know, just in front of the classroom, you know, just things like that. But it's an awkward gray space because I think sometimes people can be less willing to help if it's not such an obvious disability. Because, you know, I wear my hair down a lot. And so if I say what in a group setting, sometimes people might think I'm being rude because they're like, oh, were you not paying attention? And I might Or they brush it off and say, yeah, never mind, never mind. Never mind, which is the most annoying thing ever.

Yeah, that's the most annoying thing ever. Never say, never mind to a deaf person. I know because, so I actually dated a guy for, I lived with him, almost three years, who had a cochlear implant as well. Oh, wow. Yeah, so he, his name is Kai. He's incredible, just one of the most incredible people I've ever met. And he was a dancer.

I met him in the dance community. We both did ballet. He did a lot of hip-hop and jazz and ballet. And he was an incredible dancer. His sister danced for Celine Dion in Vegas for years. And he had meningitis twice when he was around eight years old. And so he lost his hearing that way. And so I learned a lot about exactly the gray area that you're talking about

where people just don't really have that understanding or grace for it because they don't get that because you have an implant you don't hear the same way we hear right you is and correct me if i'm wrong but do you hear a little more like electronically sounding yes yes then then most people and i remember having that conversation with him so many times of you do not dismiss if they didn't hear what you said and never mind was very dismissive in his eyes. And I totally, from spending that much time with him, I still, to this day, feel the need to walk on people's right side because that was his good side of hearing. And it just became a thing where that I was so aware of that I now do still to this day,

even though it was long ago. But just a little background for me that I did. I was with him for three years. So when, if you don't have your implant in, can you take, it out and in. Yeah, so I take it off, like, whenever I'm around water, so, like, showering or swimming, I have to take it off. And then when I'm sleeping, I take it off to charge it up. And again, forgive me if I missed this. Did you, were you able to share how you lost your hearing? Is it predatory? Yeah, so I was born completely deaf. And my mom actually has the name of kind of like the condition. I just can't remember on the top of my head. But both my sister and I have it. And neither of my parents were deaf. But it wasn't.

later on in life. Yeah. Yeah. Does your sister have the implant as well? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Same side. Yeah.

No, we were literally, you know, twins basically going up with the same situation. It's just so part of who you are. And I love being able to understand a tiny part of that just from being with somebody to share with however many people are listening, to not say, never mind, to not think to be rude if you say what. And I'm sure there's other things that you could share. that that maybe you feel dismissed at times because of it. Yeah.

Well, and I mean, I love when you were talking about like with Kai, how you knew to walk on the right side of him. I mean, all my friends know, because I have it on my left side. So all my friends know to walk on my left side. Like, we'll just be walking down the stream. You'll see something.

I don't hear them. They're like, oh, wait, they'll pull me to the other side. And just like repeating things. And, I mean, it's such a small thing, but I mean, all the girls in the house were amazing because we would have like the common areas, like lunch. dinner and at the beginning there's like 30 of us in the house and me sent these big tables and

I went I was here everything and whoever I was sitting next to you know all I have to be is you know all I have to say is why like who like who are we talking about and people would repeat it right away and it's just small things like that it doesn't seem big to them right but it makes all the difference for people like hi and like myself it just makes us feel included I think people would like to hear more kind things that went on in the house because it was so unfortunate when we got to watch the bloopers and all these fun dates that went on when they were all overshadowed by the drama. And I was actually wondering because Katie is clearly saying the house is toxic. Michelle and other people are saying it wasn't. What was your take on the house?

Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely not going to undermine, you know, people's feelings about it because I think Michelle obviously was stressily impacted by, you know, being one of the newer girls, you know, Katie, when she would have arguments with Victoria and the other women. So I think there is truth to it. I think at times, you know, it is a stressful situation for sure. I mean, we're all living in the same house, trying to date the same guy. You know, it's not going to be friendly all the time. But I think. what I get frustrated with is, I mean, this is an amazing group of women. And I think at the end the day, you're only seeing those worst side of people. And I mean, we're not all perfect. We're going to have days where, you know, we lash out and we say things. And I think people don't need to be reminded that, you know, we're putting ourselves out there in this, you know, such a unique situation. And I just wish sometimes that people would look past, you know, a certain type of edit or certain type of, you know, a conversation when we were there for two months. Yeah.

That's a long time. It's like a quarantine. You're just stuck with these people like it or not for that amount of time. And I know Chelsea was saying certain things like she got along with so many people and that it's just probably different for everyone. You know, everyone has a different view on what the house was like, a different take. It just, it's kind of personal at that point. So that makes a lot of sense.

now obviously you've gained this overnight following and all this love and support do you feel pressure as a public figure now or are you like i'm just going to stay true to myself and keep doing what i'm doing because we live obviously in this world of Chris harrison says something and you're everyone's expected to say something which expected to or not a lot of us wanted to but do you feel this extra pressure now in life where you're like whoa i didn't know that was, this is now a huge responsibility to? Or are you happy to do so? Yeah. So definitely was kind of a shock for me just because it happened so quickly. And I've always been kind of somewhat with people pleaser. You know, I definitely try to avoid confrontation at all,

um, arguments. And so normally kind of before I came on the show, if there was any sort of kind of controversial or, um, political issue, I would try to just talk with it with my friends, you know, off of social media and then kind of save social media just for kind of more fluff posts. I mean, I only have 800 followers that I probably didn't care too much about what I had to say. But after gaining all these followers and then, of course, everything happening with Bachelor Nation, which I don't think has ever really happened on a scale like this. And just seeing how it's impacting, you know, my friends that I've made this season and the messages that they've been getting, you know, just horrible messages.

is I think I don't feel pressure where I feel like I'm being forced to, you know, post things or advocate for them. You know, it's something I want to do because I don't want those kind of people following me. If they're going to be messaging, you know, Chelsea or Sweener, other people on the cast was horrible things. So I feel super, I'm super happy to post things in support of, you know, Rachel Lindsay or condemn the things that Chris Harrison said. But I think it's important to, like, You don't want to amplify the voices that are just doing harm. Totally. So true.

It's hard, but it's also easy. You know, it's hard to speak on something you don't have a full background on, but it's easy to use your voice to do better and to help your friends and to stand up for what's right. So I love that because I know you, you know, supported your season and your cast and I thought that was really important. And I just, I did the same thing. I'm like, I said, I made a story. If you have ever sent any racist message to Rachel Lindsay to anyone, like, unfollow me. I don't give me shit about if my number of followers drops because I don't want that kind of community.

Exactly. And it's just, it is. It's quite alarming how awful the internet and world can be. This is Austin Vine. Grape Therapy. Some questions from. my listeners, they just love you. They just love you. First question, Sarah wants to know, did you notice Matt kissing with his eyes open?

Did everyone, do you like talk about it in the house? So I actually did not know that until I think it was one of the first previews that came out and he was kissing Chelsea and his eyes are open. And I was like, oh, it was just a one-off. Like maybe he just popped him open really quick. And then it kept happening. And I was just like, okay, this is a thing. But, I mean, my eyes were always closed, so I never knew if they were open or not. Okay, Jason, my boyfriend makes funny, this is like almost a confession of mine.

He's like, you kiss with your eyes open. I'm like, I do not. I mean, yes, you do. And so the other day, he kissed me in the kitchen. And I was like, and he's like, see? But that's separate. That's like a peck. That's not like full on, like, making out.

True. I would never, ever. I think out with my eyes. Matt, you crazy man. So funny. Especially like knowing you're on TV. I'm like, shut your damn eyes. Also, Diana said, it's Abigail's birthday in like two days.

Happy birthday. What are your goals for the upcoming year? Yes, my birthday, so much third. Yay, happy birthday. Thank you. I'm not really a goal setter, but I think something I really want to achieve when I 26. I just moved to New York. So I think I really just want to absorb as much as the city as I can and just making the most of my

platform, you know, for just with everything going on. Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like, you know, you have a powerful voice and a lot to say. And I think it's cool to now use that. And gosh, you have so, you have such a good life ahead of you. You're 26, turning 26 tomorrow? Oh, the best. And you just moved to a new city. Because you're from Portland, right? Yes. I was going to say, I was going to say, when I saw you on the screen, I was going to say your apartment looks very New York. But I didn't know you had to move there. That's so funny. The brick, the jackets on the little. Oh, yeah. I need like a coat rack. That's the size of my closet. Yeah. So tiny. I hear you. I mean, I'm in a house and my closet sucks. And it's like one of my biggest pepies.

okay, Caitlin asked, oh, I like this question because you didn't get to experience the Bachelor Mansion, which is so iconic. But one of the biggest things in that mansion was everyone had bunk beds. So Caitlin asked, did you have to have roommates on the Bachelor, even though you were staying in a resort with multiple rooms? Yeah, so I'm glad we didn't have to deal with the bunk beds. I don't it was how or just like just how little space that is just with how much stuff we bring

but yeah so we did have roommates it kind of was a hotel style so we had two people in our own men Maggie was my roommate so that's my God she's the best yeah but yeah that's why I was just saying I don't know how you guys did it because we it was like a hotel room we had our own beds

and the fact that you couldn't even see our floor because of like all the stuff we would just pull out our suitcases and outfits even that wasn't a mess space no it was disgusting we all shared like two bathrooms girls were sharing showers like every everything was everywhere bunk beds like it was terrible and i was always the last one up and my bunk was in like the farthest corner in the dark and i would just like break my shin on everything like trying to get to it and like tripping over people's clothes and like then you know the gossiping happens and you walk in you're like oh you're talking about me cool cool yeah it's you're lucky that's that's i mean it sucks that you missed out on the mansion but take take it from what it was

right do you feel like sad that you had to miss out on all the travel yeah i mean definitely um i just feel like those dates just like so fun and like be able to like travel with the girls and explore in new cities. I think we definitely got a little bit of cabin fever. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. That's the thing. Like part of the show that's such a opportunity and experience is the travel. I have grown the most from travel. Just like as a human being, I've grown so much just from seeing the world. So I always thought that was such a bummer. I wonder if it'll ever change. But last question, Kelsey asks, who do you think should be the next Bachelorette. Oh, that's such a hard question. I mean, I just love so many girls in the house,

but I think like entertainment wise, like flirting wise, like you just who, because all of them, all of the people that they could choose are lovely, are love. Yeah. But who would be the most entertaining? I would have to say it, like, the perfect balance of like entertain me and then just like has a good art. I'd probably say Serena P. I mean, she's just, like, so spunky. She's so easy to talk to, but she's also very level-headed. She'd be able to have, like, those serious conversations as well. Especially for her age.

She is, yes. I dogg on people's age all the time, but it's based on my own insecurities of how much of a loser I would have that age. Because she really is incredible. And I love that she's Canadian because so am I. And yeah, you're right. She does have a good level of all those things. doesn't she? Yeah. Because I mean, when you're in the house, and I know, like, when you're watching a show, like, your bio comes out when it says your age, so you're always thinking about

how old people are. But in the house, we never really talked about our age. And so I think I found out after the show is over. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm 22. I was like, I never would guess. Yeah. That's fair. I agree with that. I think Serena would be incredible. Okay. I have a game for you before you leave. You get to pick what game you want to play. either Abigail's deal breakers for dating someone else or Abigail tells all behind the scenes of Nemecolin. Let's do the tell all for nemocholin. I love it.

First question, best cook in the house. Best cook in the house. I guess we really didn't have to make our food though. Oh, that's true. In that mansion, you have to make all of your own food. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, my God. We were so spoiled this season.

Yes. Oh, my gosh. We had to make everything, order groceries, clean up our own messes. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. We were, like, cater. We had, like, buffet style. Oh, my God.

The food was Shep's Kiss. Okay, fair enough. Fine. The best cook was the actual cook at the resort. Okay. Who is the most talkative? Probably. I think Serena P.

I think she was just super easy to talk to and she just, yeah, she just kind of was always at the center of the conversation. That's cool. When Tyler C. came in, how many girls thought about leaving Matt for him? So we didn't get to see Tyler C because he was only on the date. Oh, yeah, fair. Just kidding. Stupid question, who came up on that one? Not me next.

Maybe that's why they didn't tell us. That's so funny. I actually wanted to ask this as long as I knew that. that you're what-ifs with Matt where it's closed. Is there anyone in Bachelor Nation that you're like, that's my type or that you would slide into their D-Ns or see them on the beach? Is there anyone that stands out to you?

Maybe not right now, but when Ben Higgin was on your season, I was like, okay, he's, you know, he's my time. Like, he's really nice. He doesn't come off as, like, a player or anything. But that was also, like, a while ago. I mean, not saying that he's changed, but at a time. But that would be, that's kind of your type. That's who you would say.

I totally get that. I mean, he's the one that got away for me. No, I'm just kidding. We're like, made too good of friends for that. He's amazing, though. Okay, woman, you would most want to set your brothers up with. I mean, I just love Michelle. I think she's just so sweet.

She's also, like, athletic, too. And I just feel like my brothers, I would love that, you know, kind of mix. But they're also, like, way younger. So it's kind of weird to try to get you. Fair enough, there or not. I love Michelle. I love seeing her bloopers. I just think she's like, she just seems like such a good time. Okay. Life of the party. Chelsea. A thousand percent. Oh, yeah. Love it. Most likely to make you laugh. I probably go with Chelsea or Serena C. But you just have like really good one-liners and jokes.

That's awesome. Okay, most likely to pull a prank. did we even really do pranks what we always did yeah we must have been boring then I can't think of anyone that did like a prank what we did like shower shaving cream in the hand and like tickling their face while they're sleeping

we did it all my gosh oh my god we were boring then yeah I can't think of anyone just because we didn't really do pranks I mean you guys missed out that's like it's like a girl camp like it's pranks are part of the party I mean

what we did most of the time was just like cuddle I had like a Sudu oh my god we were so boring I had a Sudugo look that's what I did most of the time like girls were reading I did Sudoku yeah we were boring oh my gosh I just it's so funny I think it's stir up that much drama

with a bunch of boring girls I love it who was the teachers slash producers pet I think we're just talking about like who might have gone along with if something was going on and they wanted someone,

she still called them out drastically. I probably say Katie. Yeah. Just because, I mean, she just like wasn't afraid to call it. That's fair. Biggest introvert. Maybe Brittany,

just because like, she was just so quiet in Sweden. I wanted to ask about Rachel Kay with everything, you know, there's pictures that have gone on. It started. the whole thing with Chris Harrison and it started this conversation and movement in the franchise and Chris Harrison is now stepping aside. What is your take on Rachel Kay? I mean, obviously,

we're not going to sit here and agree with the photos or anything, but what was that like in the house with her? Was it a clear connection between the two of them? And was there anything now looking back hindsight that you're like, yikes? Or like, what do you want to say about it? Yeah. So I think in the house, we really are living in a bubble. I mean, we just didn't have the news going on. You know, like, when the news is on, it's easy to have this political conversation, but we didn't have that. And so we were able to kind of form our friendships with her, which is under the circumstances. And she was somebody that was really easy to be friends with, and she was friends with a lot of girls in the house. And then after, you know, the show ended and we all came home

and kind of stuff started coming out, I mean, it was really shocking and really, really, disappointing. I mean, I just think that whole thing is, you know, was super inappropriate and racist, but I think moving forward, the best thing that we can do is, you know, hold the people close to us accountable. And I think that's what we did. You know, I think that's coming out with a statement saying, you know, we don't condemn anything that she did. And I think she really is doing her, you know, research and education and we're going to continue to hold her accountable. She doesn't deserve to be canceled. You know, I don't believe in that.

But yeah, it's something that I've had to deal with for the first time to just, I don't think anything can really prepare you for, you know, just anything like that situation. No, because, I mean, like you said, you're in a bubble. You don't know anyone's past that's in there. It's holding people accountable. It's, I don't even want to say having grace because, we're all just doing what we can as as human beings here and we can disagree we can we can

hold people accountable we can say like I do not agree with what you're saying but we do not need to send death threats and you know take it that far um so I love that you're holding rachel accountable I love that the whole cast is I feel like you guys kind of came together and did what was right and um I respect you for that I respect you just for who you are as a human being, how you held yourself on the show and whatever happens in your future, I just wish you all of the luck because you are such a lovely human being on the show, off the show, on the podcast, just in life. And I'm excited to see what you're going to do. Awesome. Thank you so much, Caitlin. Of course. And tell everybody where they can find you on Instagram

and all of that lovely stuff. Oh my gosh. I don't even know what my Instagram channel is. I think it's my first name, Abigail, underscore Herringer. And yeah, I'm just going to try to work on, you know, just posting kind of more, you know, just kind of content wrapped around kind of awareness around tech community and stuff. And so I'm always open, you know, people want to reach out with questions or things that they want to see. This is very new kind of with the platform. So I just don't really know what I'm doing yet.

But yeah, just feel free to reach out with any questions. I'll try to get back to as many people as I can. That's amazing. thank you for having me on. It's always great to talk to you. Of course. You're more than welcome anytime. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope you have good night and good luck in New York. That's so exciting. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I'll see you later. Bye, girl. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new mini-sodes every Thursday and check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday, exclusively on

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