Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelorette Recap (and what we didn’t get to see) with Katie Thurston

Episode Date: July 22, 2021

It’s time, Vinos. The one and only Bachelorette Katie Thurston is here! Kaitlyn is asking the questions we ALL want to know… I mean, other than Kaitlyn herself, because she was literally there. Katie reveals how it feels to watch the season back, teases what’s to come this season, and admits why kissing in the rain is better left to the imagination. Kaitlyn and Katie also discuss the importance of on-camera uncomfortable conversations and what all future leads need to have in common. Plus, we’re getting the answers to your most titillating questions. Why were Katie and Mike P. laughing so hard with the Cuddle Queen? What was actually on Blake’s blacked-out artwork? Why didn’t Katie want her feet filmed? Which contestant would Katie and Kaitlyn trust with their lives? Who has their vote for the next Bachelor? Is this the best group of men of all time? And most important of all, is Katie happy? You can find Katie on Instagram @thekatiethurston (and one of her confessions on IGTV!) GOODY’S - Use code ‘1Vine’ for a discount on a 4-count 6 pack on Amazon RITUAL - Listeners get 10% off during your first 3 months. Visit ritual.com/vine to add essential protein today.  ROTHY’S - Head to rothys.com/vine to find your new favorites today.  OXICLEAN - Visit oxicleancoupons.com now where a coupon is waiting for you GEICO - Go to geico.com and in 15 minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Okay, listen up if you love a good slow burn romance, and let's be real, who doesn't? You need to check out the new Audible Original of Pride and Prejudice. It's an intimate performance that literally makes you feel like you're right there swooning with Lizzie Bennett and Mr. Darcy. Marisa Abella as Elizabeth and Harris Dickinson as Darcy, I'm obsessed. So whether it is your first time with Jane Austen or your 50th, this version is such a fresh, fun listen. Go to audible.ca slash Jane Austen to dive in. Podcast One presents Off the Vine Grape Therapy.

Caitlin Bristow is going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to grape therapy vinos. I have the Bachelorette, like the Katie Thurston, into house today. Well, in my computer on Zoom, but it feels like the same thing these days. Okay, it's so crazy to go from spending all around the clock hours with someone who is sharing

their most intimate details and decisions to not seeing them again cold turkey. So I'm happy I got to catch up with this wonderful gal. See how she's doing while reliving watching the episodes as they come out. She's obviously still required to keep her lips sealed tight almost to come for the rest of of the season. But she does share a few things that I think people really wanted to know and people had questions about. I did a little Instagram story and people had a lot of questions and she answered a lot of them. A lot of highs, a lot of lows. And we play the most hilarious game guessing the names of the most insane and disgusting sex positions. But I actually think I peed my

pants a little bit. So it was really funny. We find out why she sent Andrew S. Home over Justin. And we talk about her connections with all the guys or lack thereof. And it was just a really fun conversation. So this episode definitely needs a full bottle of grape juice. So make sure you're opening a fresh bottle. And let's get into the goods with Katie. I love it. You look so frigging cute.

And you got a nice little Zoom top on. And I'm like seriously just woke up from a nap and look like poo-poo times two, too. You look great. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I'm so, it's so funny to talk to you, like interview style, obviously, because I know everything and I was there, but I have to watch it from a viewer's perspective because that's how people get their answers from you. So forgive me as I turn on my Barbara Walters mode and ask you all these questions that I already know the answers to.

But first of all, how are you doing? How's the hotel life treating you? Oh, my gosh. I'm doing great. the hotel life is, you know, the hotel life. I feel like you're probably used to it by now. I mean, I am used to it, but being away from our fur babies, as you probably can imagine, the worst part. Literally the worst. And for, wait, can cats travel with you? Could you bring him? I did have Tommy come with me once when I was filming AFR on Matt's season. Yeah. Flying with Tommy was a disaster. He's just too, I think, old for that. He had an accident, a number two accident all over the carrier on this plane.

It was horrible. I was like, I'm not ever going to do that again. Oh, shoot. Okay. That's too bad because I was like, oh, I feel like Tommy would be small enough. And then that makes sense. But I get it. Being away from the fur babies is literally the worst feeling because you're probably like me

where they're like an emotional support animal. Like bring you joy, comfort, lift you up when you're down. And then you don't even realize how much they do help your happiness until you're away from them. Oh, yeah. And you can't even explain why. you're gone. You're like, I hope they know I didn't abandon them. I'm coming back. I promise. I know. I always try to remind myself that like animals don't like time is a manmade thing. It's made up. So animals don't really understand time. And do you someone that watches

Tommy? Well, obviously. Yeah. He's at a boarding place this time because it's a longer stay away. But yeah, that's, I just got all these updates from this girl. Look at, look at Ram and just getting chewed on by this other little guy. Oh, cute. I know and she just sends us So we got them a place That's like a massive farm And they have a pool And they can like run around with other dogs

And swim and they like Sleep in a private room together Just Pino and Ramen So it's yeah It's so I could talk to you about animals all day But we'll get into Bachelor stuff So that people are like not tuning out We've already canceled out of the podcast

Skip 15 seconds skip 15 seconds Anyways We're going to have to obviously tiptoe around a lot just because of what I know, but how is it for you? I, again, I know all the answers to this, but how is it for you watching back? I absolutely love a couple things. One, how active you are on social media. You are so funny and I like almost enjoy your social media as much as I do watching the show. And how supportive you are of all of your guys is really sweet because I had played a few dicks on my season and I like chirped them so hard. And I mean, obviously

we could chirp Thomas till the cows come home. But, Like you are so supportive and they're so supportive of you, which is really nice to see. It's supportive of each other. It's a freaking romance. Yeah. I mean, we had such a good relationship. For me, I'm such a social creature to begin with.

And so, yes, I am dating all these men, but I'm also building friendships with them and really getting to know them. And it is unfortunate because there are a lot of things that the people don't get to see when it comes to some of the guys. But ultimately, we overall really have this strong bond. We all went through something that is so unique and special and will be a huge part of our lives forever, at least as a big memory, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it's life altering. And even if you're there for a short while, I feel like you've learned

something about yourself. Like, it's just such a unique experience. So it totally makes sense. What is one of the most shocking things that you've seen thus far related to what's gone on? Like, compared to what you've experienced to what you've seen on TV, what is the most shocking thing to you? It's so interesting to see the feedback from the viewers when watching this back. For example, I remember night one when I gave Greg the first impression rose. I thought he was this very, like, shy. Yeah. You know, I don't know how to explain it, but I did not expect him to get so much hype from the get-go.

I was like, wow. Yeah. Okay. You know, and then even same with, you know, sending Andrew home last night, you know, seeing everyone on Twitter hate me. I was like, I will see you guys in two to three business days. Yeah. But just knowing how invested, you know, Bachelor Nation is with these men as well as my journey. It's just so interesting to watch their perspective and see what they're seeing that maybe

I didn't pick up on or I'm like, yeah, you're right, you know. That's so true. Like the whole time you were like, Greg has this sad energy and like I, you cared about him right at the get go. And then you're like, what are you having fun here? But everybody else at home is like, Greg, Greg, Greg. Like everybody was rooting so hard from right from the get go. So I think that happens too.

with first impressions. I think viewers really trust bachelorets when it comes to first impression roses because they have such a track record of having the first impression and then picking that guy at the end. So I feel like viewers are like, this must be the guy that we're rooting for them. She has good intuition. So people always pick up on that right from the get go. I think maybe there's something to be said about that. But I think even for myself, I was, you know, there. and I wasn't on every date, but seeing everything back is so different from just, you know, being there hearing your stories or seeing what I saw little snippets and then seeing it all play out.

I'm like, oh, holy shit. There's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. I am still kind of going through that right now and reliving those emotions. And I thought I was healed from like leaving it and there's been so much time since then. But when you watch this back for the first time, you put yourself kind of back in that situation and that mindset and you're just like,

out, you know, and that's why I felt last night watching, you know, me send these guys home and just remembering where I was at that time. And it's just kind of a weird thing to kind of go through, but it is all part of the process and it is finally coming to a closure soon, you know? And it's just always interesting to watch it back for sure. Yeah, I can obviously only relate to my situation, which was obviously six years ago. But it was so hard because you've closed this. chapter of filming and then you open it back up, which no, first of all, nobody dates this many guys, allows themselves to fall for more than one, then gets to close that chapter and then reopen it to go through all your heartbreak and ups and downs and like peaks and valleys

through the whole thing again. And obviously nobody knows how it ends. So if you're with someone, if you're not, you're either going through that journey with someone or you're going through it on your own. It's really hard to do no matter what. But it can also give you closure. And I know that coming up with the Mentel All airing on Monday, did you seem to get a lot of closure from that, seeing the guys again and having watched up to this point and having to face them face to face? Yeah, doing mental all and seeing those guys, knowing that I have finally caught up and seen our departures with each other. You know, it was kind of like, final step of like this is most likely the last time I will see a lot of these men,

but it's on a on a level where we have both accepted where we are at with our relationships or lack thereof. And yeah, it was just really nice to kind of get that closure that in some ways I didn't realize I needed, but also leaving that night, I just felt good. Like, it was just one step closer to finalizing my entire journey. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's again, I don't, I hate when people think I'm trying to make it about myself. It's only because I can compare my journey to yours or how I felt in that moment and that I remember specifically being so nervous to face some of these guys that I had such strong feelings for and then seeing them and going oh right the chapter is closed and we ended this for a reason and I think

you're a really great person but like you're not for me chapter closed again exactly you've got to have to reclose that that book now back to off the vine grape I mean, obviously, I was there for men tell all. So the bromance, but also that it got heated. Is there anything that you're allowed to tease for the men tell all coming up? Okay. I will say this. I actually will get to see some of that for the first time with fascination.

Right. You know, it's a long day of the men kind of hashing out their own stuff. So certainly I don't want to be there for that. Yeah. So I actually am very eager to see it. But I did hear a lot of things were. aired out a lot of surprises happen as well both good and bad i'm very excited to watch it back oh my gosh you don't know the surprises oh i've heard i've heard i can't wait oh my gosh it was really a

roller coaster of it that was probably the most like craziest mentel all i've ever experienced not just because i was there just because of stuff that went down so i'm excited for everybody to watch i'm excited for you to watch with the rest of the world on monday it's going to be crazy. But I did like every time you came back from, you know, rose ceremonies or dates, you did say a lot of times, like, this is a really stand up group of guys. And a lot of them do seem mature or, you know, supportive of one another. And you're like, it's men supporting men. We love to see it. That, I mean, of course, there's the beef and everything going on. But how cool is that to see these 30 men just make new friends and be supportive of one another? Or did it bug you?

because I'd be like, why aren't you a little jealous, bro? I mean, I think overall, I want it to be a good experience for everybody, especially because I've been on their side of things when it wasn't so great for me. And so to be able to see these guys build these friendships and to have it be a fun time for them as well during what's very difficult, that's really all I could ask for. I also want to do like a shout out to casting. I feel like they've really gone out of their way to make sure they are finding quality men. And I can't say it enough.

Like I have that. Everyone sees that. They're like, how does she choose? You know, I want this one, this one, this one, you know? And everyone's rooting for different guys for Bachelor now. And it's just, it's just nice to see quality men being displayed, sharing their stories. And then like I said, coming out with, you know, friendships at the end of this. So true. That is a good point to give Cassidy a shout out because it really was a quality group. And we can all say we're biased. And I will say this seems like the best group since my guys, which I think. I had a great group and yours is the first group where actually Tisha's too. Yeah. But yours was, I was like, wow, it just doesn't feel as icky between all of them as it usually does. I mean, it got there for the Mentel all. And those moments happened, it definitely got there for the Mentala. But yeah, it's cool that that you have that perspective because I know you had a tricky

time on The Bachelor because you always wanted to, you know, it would be easy to just go with what the group says and be on everybody's good side. but you really, and this is something that people loved about you and something that the guys came into it loving about you was that you stood up for what you believed in. And at the end of the day, that made it hard to make friends because of the situation. But so that's nice that you wanted a good experience for the guys and you gave them that at the end of the day. Oh, yeah. And the second there was any like hint of just drama or troublemakers in the group, I had no problem sending them away as soon as possible. That's one of the questions I get asked all the time.

sure you do too do you have to keep guys for drama and do you have to keep it because they're good TV and there's answers there of course it's TV land and you know we want to make good TV of course but at the end of the day it really is up to you and you had zero BS meter like you were like which one which one you guys all in like we're all in this together okay he's gone it was just really nice to see yeah I mean people don't realize if you're passionate enough about a decision whether it's to keep someone or send someone home that is your decision to make so if if someone stays, that's truly because the lead was okay with having them stay and they didn't really care to go one way or the other. And so for me, I was very passionate about my decisions

and I was supported in making those decisions. Yeah, absolutely. And I know it was really challenging for you. I physically had to pick you up off the bathroom floor at one point. Overall, harder, easier than you thought, more overwhelming. What is like your general feeling looking back at it all? Definitely harder than I thought. I think you first go like, yeah, I get to date. all these men. I'm the only woman. I'm on this pedestal. How exciting. You're dressing up. But you forget that you are making these connections with multiple men and you're navigating the drama. And as this goes further along, I am breaking people's hearts, which is in return also breaking my heart. You know, and the rest of the season is not any easier. You know, and that's the thing

I kind of, I guess, ignored and just didn't really think through until actually experiencing it. That I was like, I was not prepared for that. Yeah. And like you said earlier, or people don't see full connections. Like, I know Brendan was like, what am I even doing here? We're all like, what are you doing there? But you guys, you know, there was more to some of these relationships. But we've only got an hour and a half for it to play out once a week when it's weeks and weeks and weeks of being together with these guys.

Is there anyone or anyone specific or anything that you wish was shown more that wasn't? Justin, Justin was someone who I had a very early connection with. And up to this point, I think people have been very focused on his, you know, facial expressions or the other, you know, storylines that are out there and whatnot. But I will say he's great. And I will just leave it at that because he is still here at this time. But, you know, a lot of people were really disappointed for him to, you know, be there over Andrew or even any of the other guys who are going to hometowns, essentially. But Justin is someone, I do wish people got to see a little bit more of up to this point, but they will get to learn more about him going forward. Okay. that's incredible because I do have that in my notes for later when we talk about and rest.

So we will touch on that again. But I think the main question and this is, I always try and think of a different way to say it. Because everyone always wants to know like, obviously you can't say what happened at the end. But everyone's like, are you happy? Did it end the way you thought it would? It did not end the way I thought I did. And I think that was the biggest struggle for me is you, you always try to plan and be steps ahead of like what you expect to have happen and ultimately you can't prepare for anything you just have to kind of roll with the punches and navigate it as it happens yeah but people always do say like are you happy and the answer is yes you know was it an easy journey no was i happy along the way yeah but there was also some really

hard situation worse yeah you know but in the end i believe everything happens for a reason it was all worth it i am very happy with where i am in my life yeah it's i mean even if you you found love with yourself. What a win at the end of the day, you know. Exactly. Well, we'll all have to stay tuned. That's, I always try to think of a better way to say it. But I think it's cool because I always root for bachelorette, obviously, since I've been in that position. And I know how hard it is. I know how rewarding it can be. I know how much I grew through it. So I always root for the next one to come. And I always love when I see people do it their way.

And you're the first, nothing against all the other bachelor. I'm obsessing. with all the other girls, but you're the first time that I've been like, shit, yeah, she reminds me to me. And she's breaking down barriers. And she's saying what she really thinks. And she's wearing t-shirts and jeans and doing the side part and skinny jeans. Like, I feel like you, that was something that was really important to you, even if it might have annoyed some people on the other end of this, or if you're like, but I don't want to wear the gown or that, like, you really, it was important for you to stay true to yourself. It was important for you to send home the guys who literally were just like full of shit even if that meant like wow that might not be the greatest tv you didn't

care you were like what is my heart want and at the end of the day that makes it good TV too because we love to see it and i think people have really appreciated one you sharing about how your journey to become sex positive and being brave to talk about that on national television and say because there's so many people out there who could say wow i'm not alone in in what had happened to you and and i don't think i knew that until watching it back so i felt like i just wanted to jump through that screen and hug you and talk to you and you know go through that with you but thank you for sharing that and i loved that the show um did you know a PSA and i love that they gave a hotline number for people to talk to i think that was a really big step for

the show um so i just wanted to just acknowledge that and say thank you for sharing it although that must be so hard and I think you said people didn't even know that story right yeah it was definitely the first time obviously bringing it up on such a public platform but that also meant I had to you know beat the air date and talk to my mom about it you know and it's it's interesting because since then I've almost become less emotional about it I think because I feel so much more empowered and it's also open the floor for other men and women to share their experiences with their own you know sexual assault story yeah we've just kind of all abandoned it together to just be like strong and support each other in our journey of like healing and

growth and learning. And that's just been like this beautiful thing that has come from it for sure. Yeah. And I think people can look up to you to say, you know, you everyone's journey in that in that way is going to look different for you. You have worked on it. You have healed and you have become a sex positive person that is is empowering. It's empowering for me to watch. It's empowering for other women to see. And it's really probably empowering for people who have been in, I can't speak for them, but in the same position to look up to you in that way. And also having the conversations with Andrew S about race, again, something that I'm excited to see the show doing.

And I'm sure you were too. And that conversation just was really powerful. And the way you both handled it was just so impressive. And you did it in a way where it was so easy to digest and be like, wow, that was an important conversation. why have we not had these these conversations before yeah and I think a lot of those topics people get uncomfortable with right and that's I think that's normal and I think that's what we have to embrace you know they I don't want to be so worried about saying the right thing or the wrong

thing for me when Andrew was speaking I was just listening and asking questions to clarify and a lot of times just kind of taking it in and reflecting and I think that's what people need to realize is sometimes it's not about being scared to have the conversations but just going through the awkwardness of navigating that combo. You know, it's important to just attempt it, at least, as opposed to not talking about at all. Absolutely. That's, I have a podcast coming out on Tuesday with Emmanuel Ocho, who we're literally just talking.

I mean, his, his show and book is called Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man. And that's literally just getting the elephant out of the room right head on so that you can get to those important conversations and be like, sure, it can be uncomfortable, but that's society's fault in itself that they've made it uncomfortable. But what I took away from his conversation, and I think this is really cool to say right now, even though they're going to hear it again on Tuesday, was I grew up. We talked about racism. I did a book report on it. I always like to think, like, oh, I'm not racist. But I always said, I don't see color. And he goes, it's important to see color. Yeah. It's important to see a black man versus a white man, black woman because of the history and

what they've been through and I he he said it perfectly and I'm not going to butcher it and people just have to tune in but he said you don't look at a rainbow and imagine being like do you see all the colors and people being like no I just see one color like that's not beautiful you know it's there's so much more to that rainbow so I thought that was really cool and I just love that again the show is taking the right steps to have these conversations you know and I think picking a lead I know Catherine Lowe said this it's important to pick a lead who does fall in love with people of color and a black man. And, you know, Sean Lowe and Catherine. And she said it's important to find those people because I think that's

a step in the right direction too. Oh, I 100% agree that any lead going forward has to be open to dating, you know, anybody, you know, outside of their own race. Yeah. And I also feel like there almost has to be like dating history to kind of prove that. I think a lot of people can always say like just like you said, oh, I don't see color or like, yeah, I'm open, but like prove it, you know, because that is a kind of a place where we're at where I do want to see diverse love stories happening. And it's just it's one thing to say it. It's another to actually mean it and show it, you know, during a bachelor or a bachelor's season. Yeah, absolutely. I just, I've really enjoyed watching the season. And I know people are really hard on it because we're not doing the traveling, the exotic locations, these extravagant dates.

And people are like, this just feels like a repeat. And this is, but I think you guys, the show and you have done such a good job, just making it feel so real. So yeah, we're not in these tropical locations. And that will be fun when we can do that again. But it makes it a lot more real and relatable. Like you guys just hanging out and doing things you really would do on a. date is more relatable. So I think it's just about the perspective that people have, you know, while watching and people don't like change. So it's, I understand that the exotic locations,

but when you were going on all these dates with everyone, were you disappointed and not traveling to different countries? Were you like, oh, this is just, you know, another day. I don't get to go on the helicopters and do all these fancy things. Or were you like, I appreciate this style of dating? Yeah, I only have done this experience through bubble seasons. You know, same with Matt's season when I was on his. So it's not like I can compare it and be like, oh, I really missed out. What I do know is as much as viewers are missing out on this fantasy world of what The Bachelorette is for them and the luxury of traveling, for me, I'm there to fall in

love. And falling in love means putting yourself in a very normal situation, which kind of ties back to my plain clothes that I like to wear or the simple look that I go for. It's like after this, we go into the real world. So if we're falling in love because we're having fun traveling, but we can't enjoy, you know, cuddling in a forest or some of the more crazier simpler things that we've done yeah how we're supposed to work out in the real world you know i totally agree with that i think i think people just need to you know in this these times of a pandemic look at it through a different

lens so let's break down some of these dates because i think that people had a few questions for this episode that that just aired yeah i would i know you want to clear the air for seattle with this date because you said what do you say pike's place instead of pike hikes place but that's like a very common mispronunciation that people in washington do yeah however people who are like I don't know I knew I was going to get dragged a little bit for it but also I had plenty of people from my hometown saying it's fine that's how I say it too yeah okay good and and I liked the rain thing I'm not going to lie I remember my boyfriend in high school saying what would your like dream date

B. And I said, making out in the rain. I seriously said that. And they're like seen out of the notebook and everything. So you got to do, you know, the making out in the rain, the classic Seattle rain. You guys were really shitty at Shucking Oysters. I know I've made fun of you for your touchdown celebratory dance. It was adorable. I was just shit talking. But you were like, that's the only thing I can do when people are like dance. I'm like, ugh. And I will say I've seen you do it before and I remember asking you what your go-to dance move was and it was that it's your finger finger pointers that's your go-to so I get that that would be your touchdown what is it called not a touchdown dance victory dance whatever I mean Canada I always blame it on Canada I'm

like we don't do football but you guys were really cute making a little bouquets together doing the gum wall you were trying to you know give him a little piece of home and I think that's also why you wanted to feel comfortable on your day because you wouldn't dress up to out in Seattle. Seattle is a very chill t-shirt kind of town. Oh, yeah. I mean, like I said, people will slam my looks all day and at this point I just accepted it. I'm like, but this is me in the real world. I know this is your fantasy escape, but this is me. I don't really care to please you by wearing a better outfit. No, I think it's so relatable and I love it. Okay, Greg's sister always messes with him and says it's the most unattractive thing about him. What was he referring to?

Um, his, he's like insecurity with himself. Okay. And so I guess in middle school, he was, um, picked on because he was small. You know, guys are always like so tiny in middle school and then like, all of a sudden senior year, they just like sprout up. Right. And so Greg was explaining that, you know, growing up, he was kind of on the smaller side and was picked on for it and just a little insecure with himself.

Okay. And then something flew out of his arm while you guys were running in the rain. Was it a heat packet? I watched that and wondered the same thing. thing. I don't remember in the moment that that happened. It's very possible it was a heat packet because, as you know, evenings were very cold. So I will say the romanticism of a rainy kiss is not as great as it sounds. It's chilly. I almost drowned first of all because you're like making out, but there's so much longer. And then you're like freezing and then like it's going

in your mouth. And so like it looks great for TV. It looks very romantic. It did. I don't think I will ever go out of my way to run and make out in the rain. Okay. So I still have yet to experience this. Maybe it's not as great as I thought it was, but I got to kind of live it out through you. Yeah. How hard was that to make that decision to bring Greg on another one on one date when your guys's connection is very apparent to everybody. It's apparent to the guys. Everyone called him, you know, the quote unquote front runner. And you hadn't even spent time with Brendan yet. So how hard was that to say, you know, I'm going to take Greg on another one on one? it's tough because at some point you you do have to kind of start going back to the beginning of like

okay it was gregg then it was michael and blake who got those earlier one-on-ones you know and and with gregg as you've seen there's been multiple times where he's kind of unsure about this experience and our relationship and so given that his one-on-one was so long ago i wanted to reassure him and say look thank you so much for hanging in there and i know you're struggling but here is some validation to show you that you know you're on my mind And it is hard because then again, you do have like Mike P and Brendan who didn't have one. And you're like, could this change things? Could it not?

You know, it's just a tough thing to balance. There's never, you can never be right. Everyone's always going to say you should have done it a different way. And that's the hard part about being the Bachelorette. Look, you don't have to explain it to me. I wanted to take, you know, my like top guys, I always wanted to take them on the most because you're like, wait, there's a proposal at the end of this. if I don't really see it with Mike P or Brendan, like, yeah, I have a connection,

but I want to really make sure it's there with this person before we go off and get engaged. So I totally get it. I can always see. So something I actually pride myself on is seeing two sides of every story. And not when I was like, well, no shit. It's like you, that beginning date in Bachelor world is like, feels like ages ago for that person just sitting around a house watching other guys go on dates. exactly yeah that made a lot of sense so um okay also the group date there is an art to love

i just this was so funny because those guys are hilarious so fun okay wait is this the one where they did where blake had his thing blacked out yes okay everyone wanted to know and i was trying to tell my producer i'm like i feel like he either his or it was his on a black piece of paper Are we allowed to talk about what it was? Because it was blacked out in the world wants to know. I will say this. I have kept every gift, piece of art, knick-knack from the show entirely,

from every single guy. Yeah. That being said, I do have it. So I think I might just wait for a reveal later, you know, build a suspense, and intended. Yes. And do a big reveal, you know, in a couple weeks.

So on the painting, it was. I love that. that that's a great teaser appreciate that little uh diddy there i have so many funny things like highlighted that i'm like oh god this i know this i'm like this okay let's do let's talk about the art date so um michael a rear view sculpture yes is is that what you think you look like from behind or no i don't i don't know i think it out of time it looked like two fingers like put together yeah like a butt yeah is that what it was i think he just he really had a lot of fun like touching it and like molding it yeah okay it was really a date for just

to thrive that guy is just the most incredible artist like i remember you telling me about the paintings and then when i saw it i was like holy shit like he i mean he is really like something else when it comes to art and just painted like a beautiful what was it like butterflies was that one or was this wonderful well so on that group date obviously not enough time for a master piece. He did a painted rose with a stick man. Yeah, it was a very, I was very surprised. I think we all had very, very high expectations for Justin. And the reveal was, um, underwhelming. A letdown. But he made up for it at the group day with our evening portion with the the butterflies. That's right. That's right. It was the evening portion. God, he's so good. Okay. And then Andrew S. sushi. Yes. I will tease that a little bit. A lot of the conversation around. um eating sushi and stuff like that was just maybe not safe for television okay the date was just so fun but also we just have such raunchy adult humor as a group so this was actually probably one of my more favorite dates in terms of everyone was just being so silly or drinking champagne just

having so much fun outside together totally i just see that with you guys like on your cocktail parties after your group date like i'm like i don't want to hang out like it just felt like a group of friends with like but then you got your one-on-one time and you're like no there's real romance there this is off the vine grape therapy i have to pump your tires for a second because after mental we did some press and i just said i'm so impressed with your ability you have this unique ability to really be present with each person so like with justin you're able to like really be a little and depth and then with Andrew S, you have romance and chemistry, but you have this like silly goofy side, but also able to like have that duality of turning around and having a great

conversation. Like everyone, you're really able to adapt to each one of them for their needs, which I thought was really selfless of you and really cool to watch. So good job on that. And like we were talking about the cocktail party after, Michael A must be the cutest person on planet earth like his smile when he talks about james kills me i love it and this was actually the first time i got to see his face time interactions with james so i never got to hear dad voice and so when i heard dad voice i was like oh my goodness i'm right he's so sweet and i loved watching the like you know he's just he probably didn't know if it would make airtime or not he was just really being present in the moment as a dad yeah absolutely yeah it was really really

sweet to see. Andrew S. basically says he's willing to give up his sports career to be with you, which is freaking nuts because I've dated an athlete and that's their whole world. Yeah. I don't want him to resent me. Yeah, that's true. What did that? That must have made you feel pretty special, though. I mean, it just really goes to show how serious Andrew is about finding love, you know, and settling down and starting a family. Like, he wants that so bad. And so it was no surprise, you know, once he did get sent home that Twitter and Bachelor Nation just blew up rooting for him for the next Bachelor. I don't know who the next Bachelor is yet. I don't even know either. He does have my vote. I am rooting for him for sure. But yeah, I think it's just such a huge statement for him to be

like, I will give up my dream to pursue my other dream, which is starting a family, settling down, finding my wife. Absolutely. I mean, Andrew, Andrew asked for Bachelor or we rally. Or we rally. And You know, again, I want to hear your perspective on this. It felt like you were struggling a bit with Blake on this group date of him joining late. How are you feeling in that moment about that? It was tough because as everyone saw, he said, you know, I'm not in love with you yet. However, given how we did feel about each other and given, yes, the limited time that we had so far, I did feel in that moment we were still on track in terms of, you know, given where we're at.

And he kind of predicted, he's like, I could see it coming. And I was like, I agree. You know, like, you're right. We haven't had as much time as these other men. We are a little bit behind in terms of we haven't said, I love you. We're not in love yet. Yeah. But I felt okay with that.

I was like, well, let's just see what, you know, one more week together can do for us. Yeah, that's so fair. Again, very relatable and real. And I'm like, looking through my notes. I'm like, then there's Brendan. He doesn't get the one-on-one, yada, yada, yada. You applies the lip balm. Were you watching through the people when he was like,

Like, I was so nervous for him. I'm like, get it on. Get it on. Like, I wanted him to have the chapsic on before you open the door. So were you watching through the people? Please tell me, yes. No. Huber me and say you're watching him do that.

You're never prepared when you get a door knock, you know? And that's the thing. My hair was still kind of wet from my date with Greg, actually. And I'm like, well, this is uncomfortable because, like, I'm on cloud nine, but also what's Brendan doing here? And, you know, and that's a thing. In some ways, you want to, like, give them more time and see, can it make a difference? But with Brendan being kind of a little unsure and insecure in that moment, I was like,

it's just not fair to drag this on, especially if he's going out of his way to talk to him about it now. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, how hard was that to watch back? This is going back. I just thought of this right now when we had that painful goodbye with Connor and then Blake's just like, and enter Blake with the music and then it was like, whee! And then it was like, Connor, who? But, like, I know that's not how to.

you felt but it was anything of a pick me up in that land when you're feeling down especially when it's you know someone you have feelings for showing up you're like oh i get extra time with you this is amazing i mean yeah time is short and and you've even mentioned it like with each guy i kind of focus on just them and in that moment which is a blessing and a curse because as i go into this further you do start to kind of realize okay you can't individualize them anymore you have to actually start comparing and so obviously in the moment with Connor i'm devastated and I think that's very apparent and the way I looked. But of course, then you hear music outside and you see Blake, who is someone,

you still have a strong connection with at that time. And you're like, all right, let's redirect, take advantage of this time and just see, you know, where this goes. Yeah, absolutely. And I didn't even know there was such thing as a cuddle queen, Gene. Is her name Gene? Is that what it was? Cuddle Queen Jean.

Yeah. Cuddle Queen Jean. I'm like, that sounds like my nightmare of a job. I'm like, I'm a cuddler for like two seconds. And I'm like, now. I like don't I don't know I overheat I especially when you're cuddling with someone for the first time like as we saw nervous laughter that's exactly what I would have done it would have been so awkward I mean obviously that is the point is you get through the awkwardness and you start to feel comfortable with someone but for someone to be cuddling you with a cuddling coach watching and then them tell you that they were you remind them of their mom bone or kill what like okay let I'm going to go ahead and and defend Mike right now. Do it, please. First of all, Mike and I actually weren't uncomfortable. We had a really good relationship. And again, it kind of ties back to, you can only see so much of

everything that's happened up to this point. You know, and Queen Jean was wrong. Yeah, we just couldn't take her seriously. I think it was supposed to be very, it was, I mean, it was supposed to be a very intimate and serious moment. And the thing that people don't know is like Mike actually has a really great sense of humor and a very raunchy sense of humor. And so him and I, we were just having a blast together um not taking it seriously which was not not the goal not the task right um and that's also why at one point we're whispering because you know she's like okay i need you guys to be quiet and we we're like no this is our time to date to talk to know each other and so when he told me you know that hey you remind me of my mom yes we are cuddling in that moment but it was an endearing compliment

to me i didn't i did not find that a turn off at all i knew where mike's heart was at um he i know a lot his family and his mom and their family dynamics and sense of humor. So I knew it was actually a huge compliment. It was really fortunate for people to see it in the way that they did and kind of like drag him. I know. The poor guy, because he's such a sweetheart. And it was funny because she's like, don't know, like be silent. And you guys are whispering.

And you're like, I'm trying to find out like what P stands for. And Mike P. Like, can we get to know each other please? And we don't want to be silent. Yeah, we were like two kids in class getting in trouble by the teacher. We're like, we'll forget you. Like, we're going to do our own thing. We're like being little troublemakers.

Yeah, that's, I mean, I knew that Mike had every intention of like having that be the biggest compliment because I, again, too, know that he does have such a good relationship with his mom. And I think he thinks very highly of her. And she's like a queen in his opinion. And I think he was saying it in that way, not like, you're my mom. Like, you know, I'm attracted to my mom. It wasn't like weird like that. but I didn't come across, but physical touch was everything for him. So that was a good date for him to be on.

And it was, I think a really cool conversation for you guys to have, too, because it opened up your eyes. You didn't think you'd ever date a virgin. He probably grew so much in that just to like be like, look, my virginity is not everything about me and here's why. And it probably was just like an overall really great experience for both of you. Oh, it was completely eye opening because I think people have this stigma of like what it means to be a virgin.

And that's why there's always a virgin storyline because it's such a topic. But like ultimately, and I hope going forward, it's not, it's not a personality trait. And that's something I've learned. Like, I will say, I will be the first one to admit. I have always been like, I would never date a virgin. This is probably what they're like. You know, and Mike's actually one of the greatest people I've ever met. Like him and I will be friends going forward.

I have nothing but love and respect for him. And yeah, he has shown me that being a virgin really means nothing. It's just a choice he has made and something I will always support. and respect you know with him or anyone else going forward i love that it kind of changed my opinion too i used to say you can't trust a virgin but now i'm like i trust mike p i trust mike in my life yeah i trust it more than i trust most i trust it more than i trust myself i think um and i know i said we would touch on this again but i mean we pretty much already have i was going to say there's things i think we don't see as viewers like your connection with justin because i think a lot of people

are like how did you send andrew s home over justin but um as you said i think we can can all expect to see that relationship kind of blossom and know more about him in weeks to come. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it is hard. No matter who you pick to stay, you can always go back and like, what did this person stay? What, this person left? And, you know, ultimately, you just have to trust your gut moving forward and whatever the outcome is at the end, feel that that's the way it was supposed to be. I do feel like Andrew S is a bit of a hopeless romantic, which I love about him. I feel like there's so many layers to Andrew S. And when he, did that like slipping of the note and then you ran back into his arms it felt like straight out

of a rom-com but like it was so real but he says like no to coming back you're like would you think about it he says no he was heartbroken but he really wanted his wife to choose him does that go against what he said on the card about him waiting for you or what like i think a lot of people are like wait i don't get that you're contradicting yourself because you're saying you'll be waiting for her, but then she's saying, well, do you want to come back and you're saying, no, you want to be chosen? What is your take on that? I'm going to defend Andrew on this. I think what he truly probably meant is me picking him. You know, if I at the end of this was going to go to him or even in that moment, I feel like if maybe I was like, look, it's you let's walk away together. His answer

might have been very different. But I do respect and understand where he is coming from. For me, be like, well, do you want to come back? And he even said it to maybe maybe get a rose, maybe get rejected again that's not something he wants to sign up for again you know he said he felt a lot of pain in that place and i get that and so i do think ultimately his note was a bigger picture and not hey do you want to say one more week two more weeks you know however long this could possibly go on further you know right right oh he's such he's such a good one okay so i have a couple games for you because i love playing games on this podcast but before we get to that we have to get into confessions. I feel like I've been seen, first of all, your social media. I want to know if you

and John are together now. And what's happening? Do you have something you needed to tell us? Oh my gosh. Okay. Actually, it's a really fun story. So I'm glad you brought that up. Okay. So we are not, no one's allowed to talk to each other after the show. You know, it's very strict, like save it for the tell-all, save it for AFR, and those are rules that we respect. There was somehow, early on, a rumor that John and I were together. People were like, John's the one. They're engaged. Oh, I know how.

I showed about a restaurant that he apparently worked at, but John left week two. So I had no idea he used to or currently worked at that restaurant. No way. Purely a coincidence. But as these, you know, sleuthers go, they're grabbing at anything and everything they can. And so it was really great because obviously he'd been seeing those spoilers and being tagged. I'd seen it. There's been Instagram accounts created already for us like John and Katie's journey. And it was insane. However, I've learned that not only am I an internet troll, so is John. And so we would post on

our stories different things to make it look like we were like together or think that moving. I think at one point he put like Seattle or Olympia, which first of all is the worst comparison ever. And I put San Diego or L.A. And people were just like eating it up. And so through this false rumor, he had actually became friends with one of my best guy friends. And so through that, we've actually built this really strong friend group all because of a misleading rumor that insisted we were together. Wait, that's so cute. Yeah, it's wild. Like, it's just life is so funny sometimes and the way that it all directs you in like the most unexpected ways okay but that can't be a confession you got to like did you pee your pants while you met him at the restaurant like it's got to get dirtier than

that well so the like the biggest confession i have it's already like on my instagram and it's the most embarrassing story ever so i'm like i can't show that what is it it's this a time that i literally shit myself at work as an adult i didn't see that on your instagram and i follow you It's like a six-minute adventure of coffee and keto diet at the same time. I mean, that'll get you every time. Yeah. So if you want to see that, feel free to get my IGTV. It's on there.

Okay. Definitely going to watch that after this. Okay. This isn't like a confession. It's just like an interesting fact. Okay. I won't give this website a shout out. But I found out during Matt's season, there's a special website dedicated to celebrity

feat. Oh, I know. No. Okay. And Piper from Matt season actually like was talking about. She's like, oh my gosh, guys, like we're going to all have our own page. This is so embarrassing. And I was like, no way. Well, if we get out of Matt season, sure enough, all of us who had our feet exposed have our own page. So going into my season, I told all the crew who had cameras. I was like, please for the love of God, do not fill my feet. Don't show me putting on high heels. Don't do a slow. It's they do all the time. They do. And that's where those shots get on this website. I think you can make some pretty good money off of that. So watching my date with Mike where I'm like cuddling it and it's like a zoom in of my foot near his butt. I was like, oh my God, that's going to make it onto the website. But wait, do you have bad feet?

Why are you ashamed of them? I've been ranked as a beautiful foot person according to this website. Wow. However, 10 out of 10? I don't remember. I think it's on a one to five scale. Oh, yeah, it's five stars. You got five stars for your feet?

It's an average rating of like a high fours. I'm a 4.5, but you probably have more ratings than mine. Oh. You probably have more pictures, though, to balance out the average. I don't know how I was a 4.5. I lost a toenail at one point after the Bachelorette, and they had a close-up. And I'm like, it was very pixelated so you couldn't tell. And I'm like, how am I still 4.5?

That's amazing. For the record, we don't kinkshame. Whatever you want to do, do your thing. Hell no. But I think that I think the more unique your foot is, though, the more beautiful it is to be. Oh, maybe I'll get rid of that toenail again. Okay, so I have a game. I don't know if we're going to be able to air one of them because it's raunchy as hell. So I'm going to play two games with you. The first is, you already look guilty. I'm scared. We always like to play a game

called Two Truths and Alive, but my producer, Minnie, who is so frigging funny, who's also been a friend of mine since I was like 25. So it's funny because we just know each other. So well, she called it two peepies and a vagina. Two trisal. I'm like, what? What am I 12? Okay. So two of these are actual sex positions and one is not.

I think we're both sex positive. We're very open about it. So there's no shame in the sex position game. Okay. Oh, yeah. So two of these are real sex positions and one is not. Okay. The Lotus.

Doggy style Kitty cat style Oh wow Okay Definitely doggy style is Lotus feels like a yoga position But also Kitty cat style

As someone who loves cats I feel like I would have heard of that one So I'm going to say Kitty cat style is not a sex position Damn it I thought I would be like I thought you'd be like that's too out there That can be a lie like that's okay fine Next

The advanced crab walk Oh gosh weak in the knees the Swedish toe curler your face you were like oh I'm blushing now oh you wait

you just wait the advanced crab walk no that's a real one can you describe it or is that too much oh I would love to describe it it sounds like a lot of work it does wreak of effort look it's under seven sex

positions for showoffs. You don't know about this one? Oh, that's why I don't know. I'm not a show off. I'm very lazy in bed. Oh, you're just like a vanilla starfish. Me too. Okay, so there's the crab walk. Oh, it's the advanced. Oh, so it's like this. Oh, oh, but do you stay in the same spot or do you actually have to like move around the living room or something? That's where it gets advanced. That's just the crab walk. The advanced is moving. That does not. That's like too much. I don't even think that would feel nice. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, last one. The sofa straddle, the reverse cowgirl, or the couch potato.

Let's hope the couch potato is not a position. That is a lie. Okay, gosh, I was like, what is that? But you might like the sofa straddle because it's the best lazy sex position according to an expert. Oh, can you tell me more? How do you do it? Okay. Let me get a diagram here for you.

Oh, wow. Oh, there's the lotus. Okay. Sofa straddle. How to do it. Have your partner sit on the sofa, straddle your partner facing them, lower down onto your knees, and hold on to their shoulders or the back of the sofa. Okay. I've done that. So I guess I know. So they don't call you Katie's sofa straddle for nothing. Oh, my nickname growing up for sure. I'm definitely starting you on Instagram page called that. Okay, this is the one we might have to rule out because, okay, this is it's triple X rated. But I did die laughing because you'll see why. And I've included descriptions.

Okay. Oh, no. The minivan. Have you heard of the minivan? This is a sex position still. Yeah. No. Have you heard of the shocker?

Yes. Okay, the minivan, very popular and very similar to the shocker maneuver. The minivan is a little more intense. It involves inserting two f***s. Okay. And then a f*** up the b. because all of this yeah because this act is it's coined the minivan as a popular vehicle primarily used for families or two sits in the front and five in the back i'm sure it's

been done it i think it takes training though i can i just makes my butt cleanse just thinking about it okay the pancake breakfast this is also one yeah oh my god is syrup involved well I can't even say it out loud I'm scratching this I can't even say it out loud I can't and I'm like Google it that's what you're saying Google it it's the sinners look at it yeah a pancake and then a Cleveland hot waffle which I can't even go there okay oh my goodness all of them are actually in the urban dictionary so they're no lies they're real things so everyone can look them up okay I'm just I know well you know what last but not least this is going to get you hungry are you excited for the holiday coming up um like what month am i in what holiday you don't know it's probably my favorite holiday of the year this upcoming sunday the 25th is it like international like it's national wine and cheese day oh snap okay this is where we plug the wine right yeah i mean i plug the wine i'm drinking spade and sparrows at all time um so i know we're looking that you're looking for your partner

in crime but i think both of us can safely say that we're all about our partner in wine aka cheese get it cheese and wine got it yes that was really stupid i'm better i'm better than that okay but for um in honor of national wine and cheese day i wanted to see which one of these cheesy pickup lines would work on you okay okay have you ever used a cheesy pickup line if so what's your favorite oh um god it's been a while since i've had to be the one throwing out the lines you know i know and you can't use one of cat connor cats they're so good though i know um i think last one i heard that made me laugh um was are you a cardiologist because i think i just had a heart attack that's okay these are better okay you got to rate them you got to rate them oh one to 10

so not like the foot thing not five stars it's either one to 10 one being leave me alone never talk to me again or come in my direction 10 being like i would do it with you right now Okay. Are you French? Because I fell for you. Is it? Is it like an accent or something? What? The Eiffel Tower. I fell for you. Oh, that might work in a text. But if someone verbalized it, I would say a one and I would walk away. Very valid. Very fair. Okay. Are you a bank loan because you got my interest? Ooh, I used to work out of bank. So there's some, there's some brownie points there. I would give that like a six.

soft six or hard six uh like a soft six okay if you were a library book i would check you out that's like a three i feel like that was something i heard in middle school that everyone thought was really funny ben i really like this next one i hope it lands for you okay are you a beaver because damn oh they have to say it like that though they say it like like bam then 10 or you're going home yeah i will do this with you right now right here right now are you beaver because damn yeah with the teeth and everything damn yes okay um ooh this one's good because i do like it a good to-do list but i'm putting you on my to-do list oh it's okay five so it depends on my mood if i'm having a good day you might rank better but are you a game of thrones fan this isn't a

this isn't a pick-up line i'm asking no so this one i would be i would look at them and be very confused i'm sure but do you know how they say winter is coming okay yes okay so is your name winter because you'll be coming soon oh anything about like giving yourself props or being good in bed one because i feel like you're not good in bed that's fair only people who suck in bed say those kinds of things okay um um how do you like your eggs because i prefer mine fertilized oh I feel like that's something I should say to like a hot guy I feel like except I would say something empowering like how do you like your eggs I prefer mine frozen because I'm going to have babies later in life because I have businesses to run I need you to tweet that tonight please because I feel that that will go viral snap snap snap so 10 that would you would do me if I drop that on you 10 amazing I will repeat that RT okay If I flip a coin, what are my chances of getting head? Oh, my God.

Is there a zero as an option? This guy sounds like a scumbag now that I'm hearing it. I felt scummy saying it out loud. This one's kind of cute. If you were a vegetable, you would be a cute cumber. Okay. That's something like, I feel like John from my season would say that. Like it hasn't cared like the right person.

That's so true. John from your season would say that. Yeah. Okay. last one. If I told you I work for UPS, would you let me handle your package? I should have ended with the beaver damn one. I really wanted to end on a high note.

But you know what? That's our game. And that's for National Cheese and Wine Day, which we should all be celebrating. Even if you're vegan, there's some delicious vegan cheeses out there. There is. I'm actually very surprised. I had the best meat and cheese platter vegan at this place called the Fox Bar in Nashville. I wouldn't have known the difference.

It was one of the best things I've ever had. When are you coming to Nashville? So you can like come over and hang out with the pups and like actually hang. I'm a little busy right now. Are you? Do you really have that much going on though? But I will say people aren't realizing this August 9th. It's a finale.

Holy shit. Is it really? Yes. So we'll have to connect after that for sure. Absolutely. I can't wait for it to just, you know, know for you to be able to live your life not in secret yes um for you to be able to say this is what happened and this is how i feel about it and i just wanted again to say how much i friggin adore you i

just love how relatable you are i feel like even though i know you as a human being i still connect you on another level through my television you're so easy to watch and you make everybody feel comfortable and you're just doing a really incredible job oh thank you i appreciate it obviously I'm so glad you were there. I feel like I have to like reverse it and give you the compliment as well. But I know, no, no. That's, I toot my own horn every, every day. It's okay.

But it was, it was so fun too. You know, that was obviously a first experience for everybody to have to post-bachelorets be there for you. And I feel like it was really cool for me to be on that side of it to be able to say like, I really enjoyed validating your feelings when you were like, no, I want to quit. And I was like, no, I felt that way too. it was it was really nice to be able to like be real with you and connect and be like all of your feelings are valid yeah and just be with you through that it was so fun and i think people are going to get to see a little um you know some bloopers on monday where they feel a little more of our friendship behind the scene

which is it we really go there i love the bloopers it's so funny it's so i i literally live for a blooper moment i wish there could be just one hour of them I think technically they have enough content to make that happen. Oh, they should. We should demand it. I'm going to let you go, but this is my way of getting you to listen to the podcast. So do you know who Mystic Michaela is? That actually sounds really familiar.

So she reads people's oras, and she's been on like the Real Housewives of OC. She's been on my podcast a couple times. She's amazing. And she did an aura reading for you that I'm going to play at the end of this podcast. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, she reads you. So you'll have to tune in and listen for that special little bonus part of the episode after this. Oh, I'm tuning in.

Absolutely. Thank you so much. You're handling this like so well and I'm just proud of you. Thank you. And I love you. Katie has a blue and purple aura. Her purple is on fire this season. It's bright and strong.

As a purple, she's intuitive, emotional, and she likes to see the rawness of what she is giving reflected back in the guys around her. Purple's need to keep it real. And passion is a sense. and in our society where that type of authenticity is often shamed, or as I like to say, purple shamed, she's standing strong against it. As a blue, she's an empath. She can feel other people's feelings as her own. It's something in the past which may have altered her behavior so as to make others feel

less uncomfortable, but in her present moment, I feel like she's been using it as fuel. Looking at Katie's aura, I know she picks a person that is right for her and not for any other reason aside from that. She's too purple, too honest, and too real right now to do anything to make others happy or to look in any other way than who she is. She's a real honest energy vibe, and it's reflected in that powerful blue and purple aura she presents. I'm Caitlin Bristow, and your session is now ending.

Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new mini-sodes every Thursday, and check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast.1.com, the Podcast One app, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Who's not with OTV?