Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Bachelorette(s) Analogies with Sharleen and Andy (AKA Shandy)

Episode Date: August 11, 2022

Sharleen and Andy (hosts of the Dear Shandy podcast) are coming to you from the homeland (oh, Canada) and your host Kaitlyn is coming to you from the floor of her home, where she may or may not be wearing pants. Today’s episode is filled with lots of Canadian compliments, Bachelorette analogies and Freudian slips, and rumors, both about the contestants of this season and rumors Kaitlyn and Sharleen have heard about themselves following their own seasons. Andy reveals a confession that Kaitlyn’s Jason can be sure to relate to, and Kaitlyn changes her stance on a controversial contestant due to Shandy’s analysis. This recap may have been the hardest KB has laughed in a loooong time, and your ear holes are going to thank you for listening.  HYUNDAI - Learn more at HyundaiUSA.com.   PELOTON - Try the Peloton Bike or Tread risk free for 30 days. Learn more at onepeloton.com.  PROGRESSIVE - Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 27 million drivers who trust Progressive.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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5. Extremely limited availability, available in select states only. Contact your Hyundai dealer for availability details. It's time for Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Welcome to your weekly session. Caitlin and friends are here to share unfiltered advice, lots of laughs, and some major breakthroughs. So put your feet up, pop a cork, and get ready for some grape therapy. Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow, and I had the pleasure. Pleasure! Remember that on Bruce Almighty? Pleasure! Of talking with Andy and Charlene.

They have their podcast, Dear Shandy, they do Bachelor Recaps also. But we... Does that the best conversation? I love talking to these, too. They have so many great thoughts on this season of The Bachelorette. They're hilarious. Andy gives a lot of great analogies. and I don't want to tease too much because I feel like you just have to listen.

I don't want to ruin it. It's that good. So enjoy our little recap. I am so unprepared for everything all the time. It's been a chaotic morning. How are you, Caitlin? Oh, my gosh. I am chaotic.

How are you? Same. Yeah, it's been crazy. I actually went to Walmart this. morning to get a splitter. Yeah. Drove to Walmart. Living that Canadian suburban life driving to Walmart.

Wow. Where are you guys right now? We're in Canada, which is Ottawa. Oh, amazing. Oh, that's nice. Oh, I thought maybe you guys were still in Splitzerland or something. No, no. We're now in the homeland where we don't have things like splitters and Andy has to run

at the last second. Yeah, Canada doesn't have splitters. 0.8 miles away or actually 1.3. three kilometers away. Colometers. Do you find that actually Walmart is like Canada's target? Like they're actually nicer than Walmart's in the States, I find. Oh, super nice and helpful.

People there are super helpful. Oh, Andy always marvels at the customer service here. I was, I forgot to tell you when I came home, I was excited to tell you how good the customer service was at Walmart and I forgot. So now we can do it on the podcast. I love that. I agree. Anytime like I always thought it was.

was such a stereotype. I was like, oh, we get it. Canadians are nice. But from living in the States for the last six years and every time I go home, I'm like, they really are nice. And it's, it's the customer service. It's people in a grocery store. Like, it really is just a different world out there.

People care. Yeah. People do care. Isn't that nice? Yeah. It's so nice. Some Canadian love going on already. So early, too. I just jump right into it. I feel like that happens anytime I'm around Canadians. I'm like, let's talk about how great we are. Andy, you've never been on my podcast, have you? No.

Yeah, I've been on your guys. And then I was trying to think about the last time I saw you was probably at my live podcast. Yeah. That was amazing. A hit. We were really just amazed. You were so great. I don't know how you do that.

Yeah. Because I don't know that you're kind of like, you can be sort of soft spoken and quiet, but then like you can turn it on. It was really impressive. It's really a one woman's show. I mean, without you, if you don't keep the engine going, the car breaks down. Well, thank you for saying all those nice things. I truly don't know how I do it sometimes.

Like, even if I'm having, like, let's say I had an off day, the day before or that day, there's something that just like energizes me when I get on a stage. Like, I don't even know where it comes from. I don't know what it is. I think I just love being like live with a crowd. And I'm just like all of a sudden I just turn into this other person. I don't know. I like it.

It's the dancer in you. It's the trade performer in me. It's just like I remember my mom telling me that her dad, they'd have like people over for like dinner parties when my mom was younger. And he'd be like, you're on kid. And she'd just like open the ping pong table and like start tap dancing on it for everybody. And I'm like, I wonder where I get it. On the ping pong table, that's ballsy. Yeah, that's that's ballsy.

It's also dangerous. It's not a very stable table. Yeah, that just. just goes to show the, you know what, the commitment, the balance, the, yeah, she had to perform. She had no options. She was on, kid. It also shows what you think about. You're like, but the instability at the table she's on. Or your mother is a very slight person. You know, she's very tiny. She was very tiny. She was a little tiny dancer and she just, you know what? She really took it home. I would like, I wish there's video footage of those kinds of things from

back in her day because she really, I mean, even when she just tap dances, in the kitchen. I'm like, it's just me, mom. You don't have to, it's, there's not a crowd. She's like trying to outdo me. Yeah, I'm excited to have you guys on for so many reasons. One, because I just adore you both. Two, because I always love your opinions on whether it be relationships or the show or just everything. I'm always like, you make me think. And I like that about people. Goodness. I'm honest. And I'm Canadian. So yes, I am sweet. Yeah, we should do. We should the whole hour should just be us complimenting each other Canadian style. Yeah, until we run out, which we never will because there's Canadians. It's our turn. It's our turn. So what do you got?

Okay, go. Well, I mean, you are, do you want me to actually do this? She's beautiful. She's beautiful. She's built an unbelievable empire. I think barren none the most successful person to ever come out of this franchise. I agree. I agree. This is true. I'm watching. I mean, we've been drinking your wine. Oh, Spade and Sparrow. Not sponsored. Excellent wine. Yes. Just everything. Everything you touch turns to gold, but it's still authentic. It's still true to who you are. That is not easy to do. I want to juice your oils and bottle them.

I want to juice your oils. Or to steal them. Sorry. I don't want to juice you. That's probably going to be my favorite line of the whole podcast. I would like to juice your oils. We basically want what you, what you've, I don't know, whatever you're drinking. Tell us what you're drinking.

You're spade and sparrows. We'll just keep drinking. A lot of spade and sparrows. A lot of spade and sparrows. sparrows and minimal water. Actually, I've gotten better at the water drinking. But I was going to say, okay, wait, squeeze. I want to juice you and bottle your oils. You should put that on a white t-shirt and sell it because we all know you like your white t-shirts. Wait, that's that. Now, that's that, that I don't like that compliment. That was a, that was a

bit of a backhanded compliment. No, the only reason I say that is because you wore like a Navy shirt the other day and people just went like ape shit in the comments like that. You weren't wearing a white shirt. And I was like, wait, what's going on? I was like, is this a thing that he always wears white shirts? Tell me. Yeah. It's a thing.

It's a real thing. As long as I've known him, white v-necks, he never wears anything else in the summer. And he'll just buy a new five-pack when they start getting ratty. And I've tried putting him in other t-shirts, but I've got to say nothing looks as good. But there is a certain demographic of people who are very upset about this. Just that's so funny. If you ever go full video with your podcast. You've got to think about this stuff because people are offended if you're wearing a white v-nex shirt in the comfort of your own home.

That's right. I mean, I have learned that people are offended by most things that I do. Most things. So I could see how people would get annoyed if I was constantly wearing a white t-shirt. But I feel like that's just like, are you doing it because you're so practical and you're like, that's just so easy? Because I respect that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? Also the id thing.

And it's me. This is me. I'm like, it's all, it's coming from the inside. What I'm showing you is nothing. He has no frills, no tattoos, no jewelry. I like that. I like that. He likes his personality to shine.

So you're not gauging anything else. And it's also, it's very affordable. Not that that's an issue, but. I mean, I get like 19 of these for like $7. But you need, you know what you should do. You should get like a fruit of the loon. like sponsor on the podcast. First of all, hold on a second.

Take it easy. Food of the loom and Haynes are very different. How dare you, Katie? Don't bring food of the loom into this. I'm a Haynes man. And I have reached out to them for sponsorships. And they have ghosted here. Yeah, they've ignored us hard.

And we take them in all these, yeah, we take them all the time. All the time. And comments will be like, come on, Haynes. Sponsor them. Haynes is ignoring us. Yeah, they once sent a cheeky response. It was like, oh, I don't know. something like totally like we're not doing your we're not sponsoring you but that's cute they're

like we don't have to wait till we get our haines on you because they're already on you so jokes on you oh that was good see this is why she's Caitlin Bristol ladies and gentlemen closed it out the show is closed yeah all right that was great are we supposed to be talking about the bachelor's right now this is I mean as you know charlene I always just I forget where I am sometimes or what I love it but that's because I just, I love having like real conversation with people where I'm like, sometimes I forget I'm podcasting. I just feel like I'm on a FaceTime with you guys, just shooting the shit. But that's what people want. They want to see people podcasting who forget that they're

podcasting. No one wants to see someone podcasting like they're podcasting. Yeah. Let's do for the next 60 seconds, let's podcast. Let's do it like we're podcasting. Okay. How was Switzerland? Switzerland was amazing. It was beautiful. It was so beautiful. The mountains, the food, the fondue. Everyone loves Fondue, right? Everyone should go to Switzerland. Everyone. Let's ask our listeners. Let's ask our listeners if they've ever been to Switzerland.

And if they haven't, where should they go? Yes. Give us your recommendations. We want to hear. Well, we went to Vengen, which was basically like being in a postcard. It was very beautiful. You can't go full podcast. Well, I thought the whole point.

You went too far. You went too far. Sorry, I've ruined it. You're right. That's why it doesn't work. I get it, though. You tried? We did try.

It's okay. I went to, like, radio voice. Yeah. I really did want to know how Switzerland was because I just love... Oh, it genuinely was beautiful. It's the most beautiful place I think I've ever been in my life. It looks stunning. Yeah.

And very clean. Did you guys go just for funsies, or was it like a romantic trip or like where you're like, we just want to travel? Well, I had some concerts to sing in Germany. You know Germany well. I know. I do. And then we wanted to make the most of the flights. So we're like, where should we go after?

Somewhere you've always wanted to go. And Andy was like, I've always wanted to see the Swiss Alps. So we went to see the Swiss Alps. It was magical. Were they everything that you wanted and then some? Yes, but I will say not to be a wet blanket on this. I just feel like you kind of end up capping out on how much you can appreciate something like that. It's sort of like when you're playing with puppies, like after.

half an hour of playing with puppies you almost can't process cuteness anymore it's almost exhausting it's true yeah you like you get so cut it out yeah exactly this was like i was viewed out like everywhere you look it was gorgeous and it was like you're surrounded by green screen of mountains to the point where after while you're like okay i can't take it anymore no i think that's what drugs are for drugs actually allow you to get a little past the threshold of your cuteness and beauty receptors. It just takes that one step further and then you're like, I could do that again. And that's how it starts. And then you just keep doing more drugs and you keep getting higher and higher. And that's it. It just keeps getting better. If there's anywhere I wanted to do like mushrooms, it would probably

be Switzerland in the Swiss Alps. Mushroom capital of the world. We didn't have mushrooms because that's illegal. Who's watching? Someone watching? Well, people are listening That would be a good place to do it. I agree. Okay, well, it's on my bucket list. And you had shows there, Charlene, that's so cool. Also, I wanted to, just the fact that you fricking sing opera and you go to Germany to do so, it just blows my mind.

I think that's one of the coolest things ever. I agree. Says the woman who won dancing with the stars. I would, yeah, but that's like a... Complimenting. I mean, that was a really cool moment. Do you see me? I did the thumbs up.

That was a really cool moment. I loved it But that was like Okay, I had to like work really hard To like get that talent and like now it's just done Where you just have this You could just bust out any day and start singing opera But you could also just travel to Germany to do shows

And I'm like I don't know It's just so wildly impressive I agree Yeah I try to tell her this all the time She poohs it constantly That's a nonstop poo poo Well I think they're actually super and not stop pooh-pooh. I think that they're pretty similar, honestly. It's not like I would just go sing without preparing, like the same way you trained for that. I have to sort of get my voice back in shape when I haven't been singing for a while. And I think if you did less, because you're doing so much, you could fully work as a dancer and do that all the time and go to shows all the time. It's just that you are an accomplished businesswoman who has so many other things going on as well.

It's, Katie, it's your turn now. Go ahead. More compliments. Feed it back. Okay. Thank you for your words. And I would like to tell you that your hair looks beautiful today. As do your eyebrows.

They do, actually. They're on fleek. Well, thank you. That's the one thing. If I'm like podcasting, I'm like, I'll put on a little blush and do my brows unless we're in person, which I would love to podcast with you guys in person. How fun would that be? We should do that soon. We should do that soon.

When do you guys go back to New York? Because I'm actually going to try and purposely make a trip out to New York to podcast. We're back on the 15th. 18th for me because I stay longer. Oh, you are. I thought you were coming home. You understand. I forgot about that.

I do. And it's like that time of year in Canada is just nothing beats it. Yes. Well, actually, we had some like really monsoony rains here. Are you did? Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay.

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On your Dear Shandy podcast, do you do any bachelor talk or do you just talk to couples? Oh, we have full reclass. Whoa, whoa, have some respect. We do Bachelor talk. Okay, I thought so. And then I was like, but I sometimes I see you guys just interviewing couples, but then I was like, I feel like I sometimes see on social media. You guys have a good TikTok. We're in denial that TikTok exists.

We're too old. I feel you on that, but I have fully embraced the TikTok lifestyle. I am in. I look forward to doing them. I like to learn dances. It makes me laugh. I love TikTok. Well, that's because you're the youngest person in this conversation.

That's true. That's true. Yeah, but my mom's on TikTok and she uses it for, like, health stuff and recipes. And she, like, I feel like it curates the media intake to whatever you like. You know, TikTok's going to become a normal thing soon. It's going to become just like, like, 90-year-old people are going to be talking to their grandkids on TikTok. It's true. You said that, like, someone who really understands what TikTok is.

I mean, I'm, my finger is on the pulse. Right on it. Okay, well, I'm trying to, like, transition. I'm like, my finger is also on the pulse for the Bachelorette. Nice. Yeah. We love a segue. It's not going to get better than this.

Let's close it up. Yeah, and that's that. Okay, I actually really want to know your opinion on this because I think all of my insecurities were triggered. I think I've had, and I don't want to overuse the word triggered, but it was. and I think because I've had such history with this show and at one point feeling manipulated and then another point feeling super grateful and then going back to hosting and like all of these things I have so much emotion when it comes to this show that sometimes I come across as bitter

or sometimes I come across as like angry or hateful towards it but really I'm watching it because I want to support the women always I always like I did not want to watch Jojo season after mine because it was just too soon but I'm like I want to support her in every way that I can I need to watch and that's kind of what I'm doing in this season I was like I could take a season off because it's two bacheloretts and I don't love that they're doing this but I was like I really want to support these women but it's hard to when I don't love how it's happening and I really am curious of your thoughts on the two bacheloretts yeah I'm torn between feeling the same way and also feeling like what did I expect

because we all knew that they would hit them against each other in some way. And it is pretty, I guess it feels more obvious than usual that they're really pulling their insecurities out of them and using each other in order to do that. It's painful, honestly. I agree. And the format wise, it also feels like they're getting the short end of the stick. Like they spend less time with their guys and they have fewer guys. And look, it's not like, I think at this point, they want more than five guys each or whatever.

Right. But just the point being that, you know, they have to sort of like stake their claim and then, and then Logan is kind of caught in the middle. I don't know. It's just painful. It's a good social experiment from that angle. It's interesting. But I think it makes for bad TV. I think it's sloppy and dilutes the whole process.

I was, I'm wondering what they thought it was going to be when they announced two bachelorettes. like, because they were kind of like, we don't know how this is going to go and we don't know what the rules are going to be. And I was like, well, you should probably figure that out because this is like at this point a well-oiled machine and you can't just take the oil out and then expect it to work again. And it feels like they didn't think ahead. We've said that a few times in our recaps where it's like it feels like they were either high when they made this decision or they just pulled it out of their ass and they were like, well, they both got their heartbroken we'll just do this. And they didn't really think what that would look like. And

it felt around episode three that it was coming to a head. I think they started just started like improvising in a way that wasn't necessarily positive. I think Bachelor in Paradise kind of fell into the same place, but Bachelor in Paradise is a more lighthearted, silly, ridiculous show. And it worked. Well, and there's equal, well, not equal numbers, but there are more men and more women and it's more okay to explore different options. Right. There was room to explore. Here, it's a little more regimented. And I think the logistics got all screwed up with this. Yeah, and it feels

like they're really focusing on Rachel, like not feeling worthy enough to like for these guys to want her over Gabby. What I do like about it is their friendship. I'm like, I don't know if I could do this with a girlfriend.

Like, sure, it sounds fun. Like, yeah, let's date a bunch of the same guys. And you have this group and you have this group. We'll like see who like... Best idea ever. It's like one of those like, It's all fun in games till people's hearts get broken. But I love their friendship because they literally, like, put each other first sometimes and think, like, well, I'd have to talk to Gabby about that. And, okay, well, what does she think?

And then they come together and they, like, have this, you know, it's like, it's cute to see their friendship be so strong throughout all of this. And I think they're doing this, like, as best as they possibly can. now some of the men are making that like challenging for them to not feel like they're compared against each other but I'm curious and I really want to talk to Gabby and Rachel on the podcast and ask them did you feel pitted against each other at any point watching back do you feel like

oh how could they not I mean I feel like how could they not especially since you know so you talk about Rachel's feeling unworthy and her insecurities and everything and it just feels like the more she gives them what they're looking for, as in that reaction, of course, when I say they, I mean the powers that be, and no one knows better than you, the more they're going to do it. And so while I do have sympathy for her, and I'm not criticizing her insecurities, I do wish that she had a bit more of the wherewithal to recognize that she's, her spiraling is only going

to keep that cycle going. 100%. So that's my one beef. And regarding the friendship, Andy has. Well, I think the friendship's becoming a little lopsided. Just a little bit. It's a big, big sister, little sister. Yeah, I think like at first it was like they were both like new to this and there was all sorts of trials and tribulations and they were really leaning on each other and supporting each other and working with it. But I think it's getting a little lopsided in favor of Gabby being the parent almost or the big sister. Yeah. Coddling Rachel. And I'm not loving that dynamic, which I feel like it's taking away from Gabby being.

Gabby's experience and our experience watching Gabby's experience. Yeah. She's becoming too much of a parent in my eyes. Which is not a criticism really on her at all. Oh, no. No. If anything, it's a compliment to Gabby. I just, and it's not an, the thing about this season, which is frustrating is it's

hard for us not to comment Rachel because she's clearly losing the battle of who's more insecure, right? Based on what we see, yes. Based on what we see, right? Based on what we see, yes. It's becoming difficult. Like I, we like Rachel, both of us. She's great.

It's just that she's not doing well in this situation, which most people wouldn't, let's be honest. She is succumbing to what they want her to succumb to. Exactly. So it's hard to not tell her like Rachel, listen. It's like tough love. You're doing this wrong. Do it different. Yeah.

But she obviously can't hear us, but it's already happened. So it's useless. It just becomes dissing at that point. You guys are going to really laugh at me, but. this is again just me being a hot mess um i have to put my computer down on here so that i can plug it in and i am wearing pants don't worry okay um i totally by the way just for for the listeners out there she was not wearing pants they are they are biker shorts i okay i agree so I remember, and this is something I think I've said on my podcast, but it's worth saying again

because I think I really didn't realize my power as the Bachelorette, and I kind of surrendered almost to what the producers wanted because it seemed easier at one point. But I remember just being like crying at all times and just feeling like so insecure. And then, you know, they're kind of like playing into into all of that sadness. And I remember going for dinner after I was done filming with Sean Lowe and Catherine. And I remember talking to them and I was like, and I had to do this and I had to do this. And it was really hard. And he goes, I hope you realized at one point how much power you actually have as the lead,

even though it would piss them off. And I went, I didn't. I did not know I had that. And they don't want you to know that. Well, it's impressive that they convince you that you don't have power. It is. Yeah. They're good at their jobs. Yeah, it's manipulation. Totally. And so I found that like really eye-opening. And now I always think that I'm like, oh, I hope all these women know the power that they have. But the truth is they, a lot of them don't. And I feel like that's what's happening with Rachel. She's just like, like almost surrendering to all of her insecurities and being like, maybe this is who I am. And I hate that. She's got to remind yourself, there are five guys all dying to be with her. Yeah. That's a lot of guys.

And her face is on the damn poster. It's on the ABC building at Lincoln Center right now. She's like she can do whatever she wants. She's in the driver's seat. Literally in the poster. She's in the driver's seat. Yeah. Exactly.

That's a good point. Yeah. You know what it's like? It's like you ever go to a place where there's like you jump in the water from a very high place. But it's not that high. It's like 10 feet. And you're just like, I can't do this. Yeah.

And if you knew what it was like after you did it, you'd be like, oh, my God, what was wrong with me? That was so easy. It was just a little high. Yes. This is what it's like. Just jump in the water. But easier set than done.

I was in Jamaica with my girlfriend. It's amazing she didn't break up with me. There was literally, it must have been eight feet over the ocean. Yeah. And I went out, she has a video, to be standing there for like 15 minutes debating whether they're going or not. So I empathize. I empathize. Yeah.

I like that analogy because I also had a moment like that where I was in. in Kelona and I was going cliff jumping and the cliff was not high and I couldn't do it. And all of a sudden, a little kid ran by me who was like probably freaking like eight years old. Did like a somersault. He ran by and he was like, yeah, like jumped off the cliff. And I was like, well, now I have to. And you're right. After I did it, I was like, that was one of the most fun things I've ever done.

Yeah. And not that bad. And not that bad. All right. Again, thanks for, thanks for having us on the podcast. It was great. I do love your analogies. And Charlene, you have good ones, too.

Yeah. That was the most Canadian thing you've ever done. That was amazing. That was like a mother. She's got like a 16-year-old daughter and like a three-year-old and they both came home with art projects. She's like, you know, yours is good, too. Yeah, that macaroni. Art. Yes, tremendous.

Tremendous macaroni. That was exactly that. Thanks, though. do you guys ever watch family guy yes have i ever not watched this is the question i've seen every episode more than once me too okay remember when stewie comes home and he brings his artwork and they're like oh my god this is amazing let's put it on the fridge and then stewie and he's like really and he's like it's all excited then he runs away and they're like let's spit on it oh my god that's like that's what that reminded me of that that was exactly right yeah

But I really did mean that. Oh, Charlie, you did have a good analogy earlier. I forget what it was, but it was good. Amazing.

It was so memorable. Yeah, you had a great analogy once. I read an analogy once. So how do we feel about Logan? Moving on to Logan. Yeah. We like,

we're big Logan fans, but I gather that may not be the most popular opinion. I like when people don't have popular opinions. So please continue. We can back it up. My like of Logan is bordering on man crush, bordering.

It's not there yet. It's not, as I said on the pocket, it's not Thomas level. Yeah, and it never will be. Thomas remains alone at the top. We feel Logan is being very wronged. And the villain's soundtrack and, you know, clearly Rachel sort of staked her claim of him in the beginning. And Gabby being that big sister or sort of parenting friend was like, okay, if you want him, you can have him. And she backed off even though she did say she also really liked him.

It's just sort of like we give this award on our podcast every episode called Andy's A Game and we give it to the person who we think has the best game. And he's been winning it every week as you can imagine. Easy win. Yeah. But I do think that his game, he's too good. It has gotten him in this situation. But I think he's been handling it pretty deftly, to be honest, considering the last roast ceremony was canceled. He did want to talk to Rachel about it then. The one time where he really should have made that clear was, when they did give their separate roses for that first time. But I can see why he felt sort of hesitant. Rachel had just given him that group date rose. A bunch of guys also backed out of Rachel's camp. Like it was, I think, a lot of, a lot riding on that. And I can see why he might have chickened out in that moment. I think he's been trying to backpedal ever since.

And they've been trying to turn him into more of a villain than he is. And you know what? It's easy to say, oh, the guy's acting. You know, he's a villain. He's acting, but who is it acting? Yeah, everyone has something to gain. Those are very valid points. It actually just even shifted my brain to be like, I usually call him Nogan,

but now I'm going to call him Yaskin. Like, I actually agree with you. Wait, what was that? You call him Noget? I call him Nogan, like, like, no, Logan, like no. But I kind of get where you're coming from. It's like the music that they play and they make it look like he's just flip-flopping when really he's just trying to follow his heart.

And, yeah, I mean, you can see how if you really did like both people, you'd be like, okay, like, I'm having a good time with both of you. The same way Eric did on night one, just saying, but he just didn't go in for the kiss with Rachel. But we did get some footage to suggest that he also had a nice time with Rachel. I think he might have been just a little wiser to sort of decide what camp he was going to be in from night one. Yeah, but it's asking a lot. I mean, he's suddenly thrust on national TV. and he's expected to act like exactly right. And if anything, it just goes to show that he was smart

and keeping his options up. And we tend to look at it also from just a strategy standpoint. Like, yeah. Show me one insincere Logan moment. Show it to me. Show me the clip right now. Go. Cut to it.

Roll the clip. Okay. Nope, not insincere. Okay. So why are we as viewers wanting to not like him and think that he's not being. being sincere. I think because people... Well, there's that. But also, I think people have this idea that you should meet the

person that you like the most and immediately only have eyes for them. And in this situation, they were introduced to two women. And he got along with both of them really well. Like, sue him. I'm sorry. Right. If you're dating in real life, are you, I just don't believe, after I met Andy, I still went on a few on dates with other people. I actually think it's a compliment to Rachel that he had to weigh it out. Like, have you ever met two guys? You're like, oh, my God, I love both these guys. And you're not just going to be like,

you're asking her? You're asking her. Oh, yeah. Have you ever been with more than one guy who liked you or you liked ever happened to you? Have you ever fallen in love with two to the point where they had to get down on one knee and you had to choose one? Have you ever been in a situation where 20 guys liked you and one of them's name was Nick Vile? Anyway.

Well, that's how. I'm thinking of this, like, you know, because it's almost like all these guys think, well, we have this connection with her. Why does she need to bring Logan in? I'm like, oh, gosh, here we go. This reminds me of my time on The Bachelorette when it was like, how dare she bring in this guy halfway through? And it's like, well, if there's a chance that I even think this guy is for me, why would I not explore that? That's what this show is for. Exactly. And so I agree, like, Logan comes in. He has, he's like, wow, these are both incredible women, and both good-looking.

I don't really know them yet. I'm going to see what happens. Maybe I do have a stronger connection with Rachel. I'm not sure. Okay, I figured it out. Actually, Gabby, I have, you know, weighed my options, which is not the greatest way to say it, but that's really what it is.

And I actually like you more. You're right. That is a compliment to Gabby. Absolutely. And you are the poster show. Yeah. Yes. Wait, how was that a compliment to Rachel?

That he had to weigh it out. It's a compliment to both of them. Oh, that's true, actually, that he liked both. And we also have to remember that they, and always like when I say they, the powers that be, do we think it's an accident that they waited till, you know, what was it episode four for you? Was it was around episode four, that wrap date? Yeah, the rap date. You know, it's not like they didn't know sooner that Nick maybe wanted to pursue you,

just as they knew Logan wanted to not be in Rachel's camp anymore and they did everything they could to not let Logan have time to talk to her, dragging it out, forcing him to accept another rose in order to pursue Gabby and making him look worse. And it also doesn't help that now all these, like, you know, rumors come out that he, like, has slept with the whole city that he lived in and, like, is a little playboy. So now everyone's like, oh, we have that to. I slow with my whole city, too. And I have a happy marriage with a wonderful woman.

Who cares? I agree with that statement. I don't know why that's necessarily a bad thing. Yeah. It just means he's like a young, virile man who was having a good time. And get it out of your system before you go find the one. It's like going to the grocery store. Like there's a whole one of those ginormous piles of peaches and just go right.

You're like, oh, let's take a peach. I don't care. It doesn't matter. It's like with the first one, my hand hits. I'm going to take it. I'm going to feel every peach. I'm going to give a lot of people salmonella and e coli. And I'm going to get the best peach in that pile.

The best peach for you based on your tastes. But let's be honest, everyone has the same taste in peaches. That's probably true. You don't think anyone likes a mealy hard. peach. I actually prefer a crunchy peach. Oh, my God. I, we can't continue recording here.

Go back, make believe you didn't say that, and let's continue. Okay. And anyways, it is like going to grab one peach. Yes, you're right. Thank you. It's true, though, because now there's some, I don't know, reality Steve or someone came out with Nate, that Nate has been dating girls before he went on the show. And I'm like, I dated guys before I went on the show.

When I knew I was going on the show, I still went on dates. I was because what if you meet the one before you go on the show? You're like, well, good thing I didn't just write you off and go on this show. Like, who cares if you're dating before you find the love of your life? What are you supposed to join a nunnery before you go on The Bachelor? What about the fact that, okay, I was wrong. Nate actually was dating two girls at the same time. Now, this is interesting because I'm like, if that is okay with everybody, I actually don't care if you do that.

I don't see what's the nature of the, look, was he telling both of them and he was dating people? Was he dating both of them extremely casually? Like, there's a lot of variables. You can't just immediately malign the guy. Like, if he's dating two girls and he's telling one girl he loves her and he wants to marry her and he's telling the other girl he loves her and wants to marry her and he's not telling either girl about each other, that's a problem. That's a problem. Okay, I'm getting all of this live information from my podcast producer. Alicia, can you jump on for a second? I'll try to sum it up. So I read this. this morning too so i'm not like super sure how accurate this is but said that he was dating two girls

came out that they dated him but it overlapped at the same time so like i believe it was that situation of like he was telling both of them he loved them he didn't tell either of them that they were oh that's a problem part of this yeah relationship and he didn't tell one of them about his daughter so it seemed like a very secretive relationship that he was having. That just goes to show you. You can't trust anybody. But can you trust the internet for like...

Oh, that's true too. That's a good point. I don't know because a lot of people came out of the freaking woodworks when I was on TV being like, I'm like, oh, I hooked. I went home with her one night and I'm like, I don't even know your name. Like what? Oh my God. I can totally speak to this.

Yes. Yeah. I once got a DM from a girl who said that she dated a guy that I dated. Like seriously, I had gone on. on one date with him. And actually that happened with multiple guys and it's just so weird

how suddenly you become like F-list famous and everyone's like, yeah, I seriously dated her. It's just so scary. They want to chink the armor. I was on this Canadian little tour for wine women well-being

and a girl came up to me and she was like, you know, blah, blah, blah this name and I was like, I don't know it doesn't ring a bell. She was like, well, you dated him and you like made out with him and he felt really bad

because you liked his friend and I was like, huh? What? And I was like, when did this happen? And they were like, well, I'm this old and he's this. Okay, so it would have been. And it was like when I was 22 and I'm 37 and I don't even know these people's names. And I'm like, what? Yeah. This week's episode of Grape Therapy is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Most of you listening right now are probably multitasking.

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this logan is either the most sincere person i've ever seen on this franchise or the best actor he's one of the two. And either way, I give him props. Okay, move on to Aven. That's fair. That's fair. I like the wrap up and that's a good conclusion. I'm actually with you on this now because I'm like, wait, I'm drinking the tea here. I'm like drinking the Kool-Aid of

the villain music in the background. Okay, I thought Avan seems very genuine himself and they seem really sweet. Very cute. I loved the bracelet moment. And I liked how it didn't feel like he was like, yeah, I bought this before coming to film this

show for the person that I might get engaged to you know it didn't feel performative it was just like you seem to be having a rough time this means this to me I just want to loan it to you I thought it was really cute and their chemistry is through the roof yeah truly truly at first I thought it wasn't but then I realized that's just how comfortable they were together like they actually have such good chemistry that nothing feels forced or like too much it was kind of like oh wow they their chemistry is just incredible yeah yeah and And he's just, I mean, Charlene and Aven have good chemistry, too. Charlene talks about Avin a lot.

He's very, he's a good looking. I mean, he is, he is extremely good looking. No, no doubt. No doubt about that. And then, you know, Rachel, of course, we've talked about her having her insecurities and being upset about Logan, again, flip-flopping. And I'm just trying to think. So when Jesse, you know, I was thinking about this because I want to make sure people,

no, I'm not bitter that Jesse's hosting. And I actually think it makes sense for him to host. host because Gabby and Rachel have each other where Katie and Michelle had Tasha and I to be there from they have each other and I like that and I think Jesse is an incredible host. He's Canadian. We love Canadians. Yep. Yep. So, but when he comes in to talk to her about the group date and he's like, you know, you can't be a perfect bachelorette. I wanted to be the perfect bachelor. It's impossible. I thought that was a really great point. Like, you can't. Nobody wants to see perfect. Nobody wants like it's, I love when she's like, hey, I'm feeling like rejection.

and I think that's like almost like shows her confidence when she goes in and talks about that to the guys. You've gone too far when you've gone too far. Oh, damn it. Do I need to reel it in? I'm just being like to walk into a room of men that are like supposed to be there for you. I will say this. I did not like that she canceled the day portion of the date.

Because that is, time is of the essence in the show. You know what really didn't like that is Tina. Yes. Which he shouldn't. I loved that he talked about that. Me too. I love the empathy you have. And I do think you're really coming at this from a former lead.

And you're totally right. I think for me, if it had been the first time she did it, then I would have a little more sympathy. Fair. But it just sort of is starting to feel like a pattern and then the one-on-one time ends up feeling not really authentic and like normal getting to know you time because it ends up being about pumping her up and, you know, just laying it on really thick. And then she starts flying high again and then you know the powers that be are going to do what they can to then drop it down again. And it just sort of feels like she needs to sort of take the reins instead of just allowing this to go on like this. It just sort of feels like the boy that cried wolf, you know, like, She says that she doesn't want the guys to have to lift her back up, but then she tells them something that will have to make them lift her back up. Yes. And you're right.

It is like the boy who cried wolf. I think I just like try and search for the glimpses of like confidence in her where I'm like, it's so true. Show more of that. Yeah. No. And you're right. The vulnerability of her just saying this really got to me.

I guess it's just when it happens so many times, you start to be like, okay. But at some point you need to, you know, pull up, what do they say? Pull up your bootstraps. Yes, the boots straps. And not cancel this day for everyone. Not just yourself. It's not just your date. You know, all these guys have been twiddling their thumbs waiting to explore Belgium.

And now they just got steps in and were going back to the ship. Five minutes in that world can go like the longest way for getting to know somebody. If you have a couple hours to spend with these guys that are all clearly now here for you, why wouldn't you take that opportunity? because there are so many days I can think of that I wanted to cancel dates or like not and I wasn't into it or like, you know, so many times. But I was like, oh my gosh, I owe it to them to spend this time with them. Can I answer your chance? Yes.

You thought about their position. And I mean no disrespect because you're an adult. You're not having a temper tantrum because temper tantrums and when you're a kid, they sometimes, you know, go into adulthood. But you check yourself. You're like, is this a temper tantrum? It's a temper tantrum. I'm not going to do this. Yeah, I don't want to use the word temper tantrum.

I think it sounds too harsh, but you know, you do spiral based on your own insecurities. But I agree. There is a moment where you should step back and be like, is there a chance I'm overreacting? And again, we always have to remember the powers that be are pushing this. And by the way, 26-year-old me, I cancel the group date too. Well, I always think about that too because I'm like, I really stopped having my temper tantrums in my 30s. And once in a blue moon, they might still come out again. So I'm like, monthly.

for me. But it's that I always call it clockwork. I'm like... Exactly once a month. Yeah. I'm like counting down

until mine hits hard. Andy knows now. I have, I literally have, and this is, this could be a confession. Okay. This actually is a confession.

I have in my ICAL, I have on a monthly reminder, it just says be careful. That's, Show it to you. I'm not kidding. No, I believe you because not that's just like, that's nice. You're acknowledging. You're like dread lightly. This is great. I respect women. I respect the processes they go through and the difficulties and the trials and tribulations. And I want to be prepared as best as I can. And he is. See, and I love that. I would love to hear how you stay. How are you prepared? Because Jason has emails that he gets. My app will email him like what phase I'm in like, she's in the ludial phase or like like try and get try to if you want to get busy tonight

would be the night or like stay away on this day and it emails him all the time oh so he's taking it to another level wow i don't know if he reads them to be honest with you i just they do get sent to him but i've seen his inbox and i'm like yikes so i don't know if he reads them but when you see that be careful what do you do to help i do nothing i literally i'm like a a cockroach that the goes into the corner of the wall where you can't find him. He's just like gone. I'm gone. I don't agree with that.

I mean, you do when I'm, I feel like, you know what he's really good at? He's more of a cockroach with like stuff between us. But if I if my ire is directed elsewhere, he's the best sounding board. Like he's really there for me. That's true. Yeah. If she's bitching about something, I'm like, oh, girl. That's beautiful.

Yeah, but if it's about us, I think he's just sort of like teetowing from one egg shell to the next. Yeah, you know the heat in a relationship when suddenly you feel hot because someone left like dirty dishes, which is actually what I do, not what you do. But that's just an example, a standard example. The heat, I immediately sense there's a heat and I immediately take the temperature down. I don't let it get, I don't even let it get above 90 degrees. He doesn't engage when I, when I'm coming at him and I'm kind of being unreasonable. There's like the stories that go up like 600% for two days. It's like non-stop story train.

Yeah. You just defer to me on everything and just apologize almost proactively. Oh, you punched me in the head. You know what? That happened. Fists go into faces and it's just something we deal with. Fis go to faces. Oh, God, your one-liners that are coming out of this podcast are making me very happy.

But yes, circling back to a tamper tantrum, I hear you, and I just wish she could have pulled up her little bootstraps and made that date happen because there's, I mean, we're just already missing so many, like watching so many connections that I feel like that was such a missed opportunity to, for like good conversations to happen. Yes. And she did herself a disservice. Yes. Like the lighthearted conversations where they just observe something together and joke. It's not this formal sit down. Let's talk about the status of our relationship.

You know what else is a disservice? when you get a Christmas present at five years old that you don't like and you break it. But you actually kind of liked it. That's a disservice to yourself as well. Which sounds like a temper tantrum. Yeah. Sorry, I've gone too far. I just realized I just realized I went too far.

But you know what? So if there's ever a line with me personally, I don't like to flirt with it. I just like to go way over the line. So you're in good company here when you take things too far. But I appreciate that. I say everything out of love. I want Rachel to be the best woman possible. Of course.

And that's it. And I'm not saying that what you do on a national television show necessarily represents what you are or what you're going to be. I'm just saying if this is what she is and if there are personality traits that are coming out that are real in this, I'm just saying this is, you know, don't do this way. I want her to want to watch it back and feel happy about the experience. And I feel like, yeah. And again, we can say this till we're blue in the face about the powers that be. But, like, I wonder if they are saying, you know, like, maybe you, you know, take a day for yourself and you just don't do the group date. Like, every, it's the power of suggestion with them that, like, really gets you.

And then, you know, you could have regrets watching it back being like, why did I do that? Totally. I agree. Yeah. People don't think about that enough. Like, do we really think that the powers that be had no clue that the three guys who rejected Rachel's Rose were leaning towards Gabby and the third. and that they might have encouraged Rachel to put them on her list. Well, the thing is, the thing is, if you analyze the show solely from the perspective of

the powers that be, then it just becomes a meta exercise. You have to give some credit to the actual contestants that they're doing things that they would do in real life. So, you know, otherwise it's not a show. It's just a social experience. It's such a combination of both because they're still, like, the thing I preach the most is like that these are not characters. We are real human beings on the show.

So it's still, to a certain level, we are still being ourselves. She is still, you know, truly feeling the way that she's feeling. Other people are truly flip-flopping. Like, those things are all real. It's just, you know, it's all of it's TV. What's real? What is real? Yeah, what is real?

What is real? We're acting right now. This is not me. It's not me at all. I don't know who this person is. This is not me. Oh, my God. If you could slap someone in the fish.

What? If you could slap something in the face. I just slapped Charlene in the fish. this morning. Actually, that's not true. I wish I did. Oh, that's so good. And my favorite is like, I like keel over.

Charlie and just burst it laughing. And Andy just sits their straight face. Like, what? That was amazing. That's like a Freudian slip. You know Freudian slip? Oh, yeah. Oh, we know the slip.

So that's like this one time These two guys were talking And they have I ever told you this joke Stop me if I have I don't know if you have I don't think you've ever told me a joke Oh well here you go okay So these two guys are talking about a Freudian slip

And the one guy's like what does that even mean Another guy says well you know when you say one thing You mean to say another like he goes I had a really embarrassing one the other day I went to the airport and I asked for two pickets to Titsburg And the friend was like The friend was like oh yeah yeah I had a Freudian slip the other day, too. I was having dinner with my

wife and I meant to say, honey, could you pass the butter? But I said, bitch, you ruined my life. Oh, that's good. I'm going to steal that. Yeah, you can recycle that one. He's filing that one away. But what I was trying to say is if you could slap any of these men on the face with a fish with a good old game

of rock paper scissors, who would you slap? I personally wouldn't slap anyone with a fish. I respect animals, and I believe fish slapping in the face is wrong. Tyler. I would also slap Tyler in the face of the fish. Wait, who's Tyler? Tyler's the one that came to that group date in the Avre with Rachel, and he already had a poem prepared. He didn't need to be told to write a poem.

Who's Tyler? Exactly. Exactly. Who is Tyler? That's what I said from the beginning. Just for me not knowing who he is, that is also who I would slap in the face with a fish. Yeah.

I would slap him in the face with a fish out of spite. I would slap Rachel in the face with a fish just to shake her up. Be like, get it together. Yeah. Believe in yourself. Yeah. I would totally go Tony Robbins on her if I was there. Okay.

And then so, yeah, I love Nate until I heard all this news. I would like to know the truth before I judge any further. But from what I see on TV and his connection with Gabby, love Nate. Oh, he's a heart eye emoji for her. It's so cute. It's really cute. He's really in her. Yeah, but all that Reddit.

Yeah, well. All the Reddit. I know. I like to put his little stuff. My impression is tarnished now. I can't help myself. I know because there are photos as well, like of him with. Oh, yeah, like timelines and everything on this.

Yeah, there he is. Yep. I'll send you the link unless you really don't care but I did. I care deeply. Yeah. Okay, what else did I want to talk about?

Avin, yeah, he got a rose. Yeah, okay, so let's just recap the whole. No, let's recap. Let's go through this all again. Let's start again. Let's just, let's just like sum up how we feel about this episode and where we think it's going.

Because for me, I think finally no more flip-flops. I think we're going to get to see two seasons in one. I wish we could see like just like focus on one and that because it's it's very you know like oh what's Gabby doing okay and then what's Rachel doing well now I lost interest in Gabby's connections well now I lost interest in Rachel's like it's hard to keep up with the two of them but like I think it's going to get really interesting when it's down to just less men and just stronger connections and hometowns are in two weeks apparently which is crazy but I am I'm excited to just see who they end up with and I just have this strong feeling that Gabby and Jason are going to go far. I would love that. And I would love Rachel and Tino. Yeah, Tino is definitely... I don't think...

I think Tino's a lock. Yeah. It's got to be a tsunami to get rid of Tino. So you don't think Gabby and Eric? No, I don't. Ooh. Oh, okay. So can I ask why?

Why not Eric? I really like Eric and I really like their connection. I just feel like there's just this, I don't know, something I maybe can't even pinpoint of her with Jason, where when she said, I think I'm in love, I felt like that was like a little foreshadowing for like, that's who she's going to pick. I don't know. I just see it more with her and Jason. I think we're going to see more of that coming up.

I put a lot of stock in your opinion, by the way, because I feel like you, you know, there's a sort of Gabbyishness to you or a Caitlinishness to Gabby, like, you know, kind of like class clown, like witty quips, but it's also just the tip of the eye. iceberg and so I'm really I'm that's why I was really I perked up I was curious because we've been thinking I've been thinking Eric at least but I am not like I'm not Gabby I don't know who I would go for if I had Gabby's I mean Eric's gonna go go very far I think again and I don't watch or like my producer sent me the reality Steve thing about Nate but I don't look up any spoilers I don't know anything because I don't like watching it that way but I just think Gabby for for who

she is and you know she's super quirky and she's funny and she's witty and she also like can like like I loved listening to her tell Clayton on the last season like how she was feeling in the moment she's like so eloquent with her like words when she's upset yeah and I think she's you know open about how she didn't have the greatest relationship with her mom and blah blah and I just see jason as like a really I don't want to say she's unstable but he seems like such a stable like he'd be so good for her and they'd be a good match. Like, she'd bring out goofy and he'd also make her feel safe. Love that. So a quick question. As, because you are a funny person, compliments are coming. But, you know, I always wonder if you're the funny person in the relationship, do you need to be with someone who also makes you laugh as much as they make you laugh?

Because that's my one pause with Jason is I'm not sure yet if he can pull it out as much. I don't know. I'm just curious. I mean, he did the fish kiss thing, which I think. though is cute at best cute but not funny but that wasn't funny you're right I don't I think that's his best funny he can bring that's the funniest he's ever been and it wasn't it didn't land okay so what do you think do you need like does jason make you laugh as much as you make him laugh no um headline jason chart is not funny um I don't think he I think he would admit the same thing like he definitely doesn't make me laugh as much as I make him laugh and I do think Jason both Jason's here in the situation are like when they were they came

from like this finance world where they have to be buttoned up and I think they need to show that on TV like oh look I'm buttoned up and I can't ruin my career if I go back and I think he's just not allowing any like of his personality to come out and I think that's why I want to see him get more comfortable because I do wonder if he has that sense of humor I don't think they need to be as funny but they need to be able to make her laugh yeah how about this, does your mate need to appreciate, like get humor? Does they need to get your jokes? Right, right.

So if they get the jokes, they don't have to bring the comedy, as long as they get the comedy. That's me. That's me in our relationship. But you also bring a little. But basically, we joke that Andy's humor lands as best as it can possibly land with me. Yeah, it's like one of those, you know, you ever see those like America's Got Town where there's like two people like throwing a million balls at each other? Yes. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, there's no ball that drops. Every ball lands. Wow. And if it doesn't land, it's because my joke wasn't funny. Wow. So maybe as a funny person, Jason just catches all your balls. I think Jason catches 80% of my balls.

Okay, I'm going to resist. I'm going to resist. I can do this. I can do this. And it passed. Done. Well, when you're talking about balls flying, there's always a joke to be made. Matching balls. I mean, there was a lot there. Impressive restraint. Yeah, thank you. I've grown up. I finally matured in my middle age.

Is there anything else we have thoughts on the Bachelorette, or is that pretty much, did we get it all out there? I think it's done. Yeah. I think we got it out there. It was a decent episode. I didn't mind it. I just wish Rachel did a few things differently. Yeah. And I bet Rachel, you know what? I bet this is the thing that I remember my empathy comes in. I bet Rachel wishes Rachel did some things differently. For sure. I bet. And I bet Rachel wishes they showed other moments of her confidence and, like, more fun times as well. Mm-hmm. Which they're strategically not including, for sure. Which makes me sad. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I always appreciate, like I said at the beginning of this, your thoughts and input. And I just, I just love it. Every time I talk to you both. And I mean, I say this to a lot of people because I love talking to people. But you two specifically, it's like you bring so many good facts. acts, you bring the laughs, you bring the kindness. And it's just always a pleasure talking to you both.

Oh, my goodness. I don't know if I can. You get your turn. I know. That compliment was so good. But I mean, I feel the same way. Am I let no? It's a cop out.

That's a cop out. Wait, I also don't say things for you to say it back. You can just take it, take it in, hold it there, and run with it the rest of the day. Thank you. Oh. Thank you. Yeah. That makes us feel good.

She won. She won. She won the Canadian contest. Competition. What do I get a double, double? You're on the top of the podium. Yes. Yes. That's one of my favorite things is remember the show where they, it was almost like dancing with the stars, but it was like skating with the stars. And they had hockey players join professional figure skaters. And they had to do routines. Yes. I remember this. I'll never forget there's one episode. And it was only on in Canada. And there's one episode where the judges let everybody win because they just couldn't decide. And I was like, love it.

That's the most Canadian thing ever. They're like, we can't decide. You all win today. And everybody apologized to everyone. They're like, oh, sorry, you didn't win. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I know you really won. Just the best.

Just the best. But everybody, when can everybody listen to Dear Shandy? Because that is a great podcast. I mean, just from if people don't. don't listen to it, which I'm sure they do, but even just like seeing the way you two interact and the opinions and thoughts and everything that you both have, I feel like it's a no-brainer to listen to your podcast. So where can people listen and when? You are the sweetest, my goodness. I mean it. Our recaps for the show, we only recap The Bachelor. We're very loyal somehow.

Come out on Tuesdays after the episode airs. That's just when the show's airing. And we have regular episodes every Thursday, and those are our relationship episodes, like the one we had with you and Jason. I love that. Yes. Yeah. That was really nice. Well, thank you both.

And next time I'm in New York, let's podcast in person. Let's make it permanent. Let's be like next time in you're in New York. You never leave New York. Okay. Can I move in? Are you neat person? I'm very neat.

Okay. You can move in. Oh, well, I'm like, I'm neat, but I've got a lot of stuff. Oh, no, you can't move in Okay, that's fair, that's fair Got to the bottom of that. What if I bring a cat Because you're like a cat whisperer now

Oh If you have a cat, 100% Let's talk after the recording. Okay, sounds good. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending. Thanks for joining us for this week's grape therapy.

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