Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Big Brother’s Holly Allen and Jackson Michie

Episode Date: October 10, 2019

Today, Kaitlyn and Jason are joined by Big Brother’s Holly Allen and Jackson Mitchie! The group discusses the insanity of maintaining a relationship in the Big Brother house, and in the real world! Plus, Holly and Jackson reveal what really went down during their time spent in the Big Brother house shower. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today, we're in not. not a studio that we're usually in. We're in a little conference room having a business meeting or some shit with Holly and Mickey. Do you like going by Mickey? Because Jackson's your name, but... So I went on to the show going by Jackson.

And then I'll move in. There's a guy named Jack. And we were kind of being confused for each other. And real life, all my buddies in college, high school things like that call me Mickey. Oh, okay. So I was like, okay, I can just call me by my last name to differentiate.

Yeah. People were getting confused. And so Holly, Mickey from Big Brother, it was 21, right? Yes, man. She's in 21. Winner and runner up. Is this the first time a showmance has ever made it to the final two? It is, yeah.

A real showmance that actually likes each other. Yeah. That's crazy. Congratulations. You guys were so great. Like, no one has ever been a beast like you, Mickey. Well, I appreciate it. I think he set records.

You did. You must have. I didn't know about it on the show, but then I was told afterwards that there were I was almost like, this isn't even fair anymore. Like, he's going to win. Like, he deserves to win. So I have never seen, I've never seen the show. This is the first time I've ever watched it.

So Caitlin got me to watch it. I'm a super fan of the show all the time. Now, by the way, I only watch Big Brother this summer. I didn't watch Paradise at all. So now I'm all into it. But the whole time I'm thinking, they're setting him up. You know, here's my conspiracy. I'm like, they're setting him up.

They're giving him the athletic competitions. But then the mental competitions, you still were crushing. The puzzles. The puzzle. I'm like, Jesus. This guy is a beast. And a lot of those mental cops, I really tried to downplay the first half of the game. Yeah.

First half of the game, I was not letting myself compete unless I needed to. Which is like when I volunteered to go on the block. Yeah. I knew I would win a veto. Yeah. And then afterwards, you know, Holly and I both, we downplay. Yeah, we played dumb a lot. Until we had to.

Right, right. Once our lines blew up, we're like, all right, we got to, you know, hit the gas on this. Yeah. Let's make some moves. And even when, Holly, even when you didn't win a competition, it's not like you weren't up there, like, neck to neck. Is that a thing? I was right on his. Yeah, you were always right there.

It's just like you can't beat this guy. Nobody can. We're the biggest competitor. Yeah. He already had a target on his back and I didn't need to add one to mine. No offense, baby. No, she didn't. So it was like, if it was between the two of us, I was like, if I knew he was going to win it, great.

Take the dub. I will sit back and keep the target off of me and continue to play stupid. But a lot of like the physical comps, like slip inside especially. We knew we were going home. So that one, I was like, if he doesn't win this, I better win it. And he was doing it with like a messed up foot. He was injured for a house.

Oh, yeah. My foot still hurts over. He really? Yeah, he really messed up his foot. In froggy style. I messed it up and frog style, the one that Tyler hosted. They didn't show in air,

but I roll my ankle within the first three minutes. Bad. Really? Yeah. Muscle tendon that I have still not gotten looked at. But the entire. It was really bad. Sorry, why didn't they bring anyone in for you?

I had like, no, no, they did. They looked at it. Oh, okay. But it's like, but what do you do? Scans, you know, you got to get taken out. You got to go to the hospital. why I didn't want to have to go through insurance. I was like, I'll be fine.

Yeah. The body's an object. I'll be good. You'll be good. I'll be fine. And what, how long into the show was that? 18 days. 18.

It's amazing. I think it's a good point. There's a lot like if I was listening to your podcast a year ago, I wouldn't know the context. Obviously everyone knows a big brother, but maybe explain how many days, how many people and you know, what you get, like just frame it out. Yeah, I always assume that everybody's the biggest big brother friend like I am. But yeah, maybe set up what the show is.

Yeah, so there's 16 of us. 16 of us locked in a house. for 99 days. 99 long. And you don't see anyone else, right? You don't see the producers. They're behind a wall. You literally don't see anything.

Yeah. The whole concept of the show is that Big Brother is always watching. So you're always being watched 24-7. I mean, you can't even sneeze in an unflattering light. Yeah. I mean, I did. A lot of things in an unflattering way. 150, 160 cameras, microphones, constantly recording.

I mean, there's one in the bathroom, right? There's showers, bathrooms. Everywhere. the bathroom the mirrors if you go to pop a zit in the mirror there's a camera there's a camera on the other side that's wild i'd be very paranoid about plucking hairs off my face and the other thing about this show unlike the bachelor bachelor's as it should be but the winner earns five hundred thousand dollars and second place gets fifty thousand dollars so it is when you're when you're out there saying a bachelor's um are their are their feelings genuine in a situation like

this it doesn't matter if it's genuine it's strictly game theory you will stab each other in the back You will lie. It is great. It's good TV. It's all strategy. It's all strategy. I always say like I'm like just because I'm a loyal person doesn't mean I wouldn't go on big brother and be a big right like liar and backstabber because you just do whatever you got to do to get to the end. That's part of the game.

Some people respect that gameplay. Most people do because they're like whatever you got to do. It's not personal. Like you guys always say it's just a game. But some people are like, I'm going to go in and I mean you did a really good job though because you were very loyal. and honest, and you just kind of did play that game. Which it is hard. I mean, I had to lie at times, obviously, because it is big leather.

But I'm sure, you still had to lie. Yeah, but I was like, I was one of those rare people that came in. I was like, all right, challenge accepted. I'm going to try to play this game as honestly as possible and with integrity, especially because I watched the show, but my family doesn't. And my family, I'm from a ranch in the middle of nowhere, Wyoming. And my parents are like so just honest and hardworking. Yeah.

Would never lie. They're just such upstanding folks. And I was like, I want to make them proud. And even though, like, they know, you know, they'll understand that I have to lie. But even still, I just wanted to play it, you know, as Wyoming-esque as possible. In my speech, I was like, I was honest when I didn't have to be. That was the best one. I didn't want to be, loyal when I didn't have to be.

And I lied only when I needed to. Sure. No, yeah. Because it's not like I was going around trying to be a snake. But you have to adapt to your environment. Of course. And, you know, like when we were in. going into final four,

we were wanting to do it fair and square. Just go straight up competitors. But when they were going back on their deal, all right, I'm not going to let Holly leave. I'll do whatever I have to. And that was a $550,000 a lie in my opinion. So you've got to value your decisions

and that was a $550. And I did it with... And you did it with friends. Exactly. That is when he locked down, getting Tommy out to, obviously then we were like on a launch pad from there,

but also, that locked in Tommy's jury vote, too. Totally. You know, because Tommy respects game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he voted for you. He did. Yeah.

Yeah. He told me that. Right. And Tommy was one of, is one of my best friends in the house. And in a normal scenario, I would think that I would have had his vote. But nope, the second Jackson made up that lie and it worked. I was like, well, I just lost my jury vote from Tommy for sure. Really?

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One more time, buy Raycon.com slash fine. I want to take a couple steps back. So I think everyone can relate to like going into a classroom or going into a new work environment. You guys went into a house, 16 people. So what are you, like, how are you trying to size people up? What are you thinking? Do you know people? Holly you actually knew someone before like what's going in your head when you first walk in

how what's your strategy I walk in the door and I see cat done first of all you've got to be kidding me come on I did not sign up this yeah second of all it's it was weird too because there's all these strangers and I'm trying to get to know them um and size them up and see where I can fit in this little weird new totem pole we're building but then I know cat but not well at that point I really didn't so it was like okay is this an advantage or a hindrance right do i use this as leverage or am i terrified of her do i want her to get out and of course then she went right up on the block the first week and i was like well screw it maybe she should go because i don't know how this if this could be detrimental to my game of course little little that did i know that at that point she was also

already telling jason that we knew each other day two day two day two dad tells me you know she's just i mean she goes on and on great girl love her to death oh i love i love her yeah talk anything and she spills the beans on a lot of it tells me she'll give you the tea on day two oh yeah you know Holly and I know each other we are in the same industry blah blah blah you know pageants

energy drink stuff like and are people seen that on live feeds this was before the feed start this was very early yeah it hadn't even turned on very first year it was that period yeah so like are you in the house on the first week of yeah we're in the house for a week before

they're building up they're building the show Okay, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. So that's when Kat told me, yeah, Holly and I know each other. And so the next morning, I turned to Jack who, because Holly and I didn't have like any sort of personal connection. We weren't, you didn't have an alliance mate or anything. He was like, you know, Jack, hey, these girls might know each other. Right. And he didn't really think much of it.

And we'll go to Day 44 and all that fun stuff later. Yeah. I told him the very first second that I heard it, like, hey, Cat and Holly know each other. Yeah. Meanwhile, Holly is in the dark about all of this. Nobody, you know, thought to include me on this whole, y'all know each other. So there was a, cat told Jackson, but she didn't tell me that she told Jackson. And Jackson told Jack, but I didn't know that she told. So anyway, and I love her dearly.

But also, like, so I was Miss Wyoming and Kat was competing for a pageant, and I was, like, helping out because I was, like, a former Miss USA girl. And, like, that's how I know her. Well, first, she met me and, like, took a picture with me because I was Miss Wyoming. And it was so funny. So she literally has like a, like a trend of find. It's so funny. Yeah, you got to pick that up for sure. And then I met her when I was just like helping chaperone a pageant that she was competing in. But I, so going into the house, I was like, well, I'm definitely not going to mention that I was Miss Wyoming.

Also, because I wasn't going to mention it anyway, because people sometimes hate page. I'm just not going to mention that. Who cares? Yeah. So I was like, yeah, hi, I'm Miss Wyoming. No, that was not going to be my pitch. No. Your pitch was great.

I was like, wait, why didn't I know these things about her? We need to be friends. I remember you saying that. Also all true. I work with wine and exotic animals. Everything I said was true. I just left out some details. And I work for Rockstar Energy as one of their, like, on their model team.

Yeah. But I saw Kat. She works for Monster Energy on their model team. So when I saw she was in the house, I was like, well, obviously I'm not going to talk about Rockstar. Cat went around and started telling everyone that I work for Rockstar. And I was like, you dinged. I didn't even tell them that I love her

At some point you got a real She's a lovable ding-dong But I want to shake her There's no reeling cat Yeah there's no reeling cat She's a wild card And she's hilarious But she is all over the place

Yeah I mean she also went to When she went to jury And I was like please don't say a word She went to jury The first thing she does is Oh yeah by the way Holly and I know each other And we had a final two

So everyone that gets to jury Is in my alliance Everyone's in my alliance And they're like great So Holly really wasn't with us. She had a final two with Kat. So that screwed me big time. So I'm a little mad at her for that. How hard was it to campaign against each other in the final two? Like sitting on that chair because you're like you do know you both like did what you did and deserve certain things. It was honestly easy because her and I are our biggest competitors. But we're our biggest fans to like we support each other. You can see that. Yeah. But like even in part one of the last HOH, neither one of us were going to throw it to each other. We never thrown anything to each other. Slip inside whatever competition going toe to toe. I want to beat her. she wants to be me. I wanted to beat him. But whoever wins, we still are the number one fan. Yeah. It really is. So it's like, we want to beat each other and we motivate and push each other,

but we're also supportive of whoever wins. And did you both, I know, I feel like Holly you said you weren't going in to like look for a showmance. Did you go in with a different strategy? I did not want a showmance at all. But if I did, I knew, I had so many different plans of, like, how to adjust to things. But one of them was, you know, if a showmance is going to benefit my game, then yeah. Because in my mind, showmance is a very fake thing. Well, a death sentence, yes. But also, like, I didn't take the word showmance seriously.

I didn't realize how real it can truly be. Like, you know, little did I know I was going to, like, come on the show and actually fall in love with somebody. Definitely did not think that was what happened. So I was like, I was thinking showmance is more like, yeah, you're locked in a house. You get bored, whatever. And, yeah, like, if I can use. that to my advantage

I would consider a showman's otherwise if it's not going to be good for gameplay no shot yeah um so I goofed on that one you got the best of both I mean it worked out it worked out but we had to adapt because I was like damn this is real the showmance thing is real

there are real feelings and we need to adapt to make this work but you guys are together 100 days 24 hours so 2400 hours total yeah now in the last 2400 hours I can tell you there at times her and I are like what the fuck right Good, bad, and ugly. So was there ever, and this has got a little personal,

there was there ever time that you're like, I can't do this anymore, but I kind of have to for the game? Yeah, so Holly and I had moments, and I did the math. If you spent two hours a day every day with someone, no cell phones, no interruptions, just in a room with someone, two hours a day, every day, never missed a day for 800 days. Yeah. That two years and some change is equivalent to us spending 16 hours a day together.

Whoa. So over two years, but that's if we get eight hours of sleep. Sure. And we don't. We don't sleep. And you're sleeping next to you're right. So, like, you're still waking up and talking and kicking each other. We're literally always together.

And together with no TV, no cell phones. Like he said, no distractions. Like, full attention. But the hardest thing about it, and we haven't gotten to the episodes about, you know, our arguments or fights or whatever, we only had two or three. So think about two or three arguments out of a two-year relationship. We had three arguments in the last three hours. But here's the thing with y'all's arguments is you're able to communicate with each other why you're friends. If there's things from your past that are hitting nerves or sensitive topics with you, we are not.

That was our biggest thing is not that we can't communicate with each other on a personal level. It's because we can't because of the microphones and the camera. We couldn't communicate in a level to settle things easily because we don't want the whole country hearing it. So imagine y'all being in an argument in your kitchen. But then you have the United States of America in your living room watching you with a notepad taking notes on everything you say or do. the reason why some of our arguments were not able to be solved within five or ten minutes is because we can't openly discuss in private about the things that frustrates and about things for my past.

We can't talk about it because we don't want the world. Because think about how many times. That's how we've communicated. We over communicate. And when we do it, sometimes like, I certainly wouldn't want one person listening, right? Yeah, right. Because sometimes that's what you have to do to get to the bottom of the issue. and you can't do that.

You can't. Someone from my past did something that really hits a soft spot or something for me growing up or with my family that she did that really upset me. I don't want the country hearing about that. And those people like your family and those people didn't sign up for that. You did.

Right. So we want to protect people in our lives and people from our past, even if it's somebody that was negative in our past. It doesn't matter. We still want to protect those people. And so anything from our life that is sort of a trigger,

we can't. communicate to each other. And communication is key in a relationship. And we have really, really good communication when we're able to communicate. We just weren't able to do that. So now do you guys probably have the strongest communication? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Now it's like it's like, it's something kind of annoys you. Hey, can I do this? X, Y, Z. Oh, yeah. Perfect. But it's like, you know, I don't want to bring up something for my past. And she doesn't get why she annoyed me. And, you know, I wouldn't get why I annoyed her because we can't talk about it. Right.

So it's talking about not talking about it. And if you can't answer this, don't answer it. But I am convinced that when you were in between rooms, like, listening to the wall, I'm convinced that was B-roll and you actually didn't hear anything. That is like, it's me in a reality TV shows. That was legit. I'm the King of Eavesdropping. So I probably Eavesdropped on 20 or 30 conversations. So these walls and doors are very, very thin.

It looks like a house, but it's a set. It's not a real house. And the way I saw it was, you know, if they're talking to the entire country about their strategies behind my back, why can't I also hear what they're talking about? And people in the house, they get very naive in closed rooms and closed doors. They think, oh, where the door shut, no one can hear us. So I would pounce on that. And I would get, if you ever watch where I listen, I listened in the crack where the, like the gears are in the door when it over the hinges. Because that was the only way to truly hear him.

So, like, the whole Tommy thing was because I genuinely heard everything that Tommy was saying. None of the show is scripted. None of it is scripted, like, in the house, living with each other when we're sitting there having conversations. So how'd you know to go up at that time? Because in the HOH room, you'll see me laying in bed and I saw on the TV, the camera right outside the HOH room. I saw Cliff and Nicole go in. And there's, we have nothing to do. So I have, my TV has a whopping three channels.

The living room, kitchen, and the hallway. So in H-O-H-H you can see, in H-O-H-H you can see it. But there's no audio. So I'm flipping through the channels, but there's only five of us in the house. Holly's in the diary room. Cliff and Nicole are up there. So I'm sitting in my room by myself, where's Tommy? Where's Tommy?

So I'm flipping through, trying to see where Tommy is. I saw him go in there. And I'm sitting there and I'm laying. I'm like, okay, Holly's maybe, maybe not getting evicted. I was like, I need to do something. So I put my socks on because in that hallway, it's rubbermatic. and I didn't want them to hear my footsteps. So I put my socks on, tiptoed in there, and I was listening to it,

and I heard everything I needed to. And I was like, okay, this is perfect. Now I just need to figure out what I need to do with it. So I went back to the aching room, and that's what I was like, damn it. I was like, think, think, what can I do? And I was like, okay, let's just frame them. Let's just spin it against them. Because him and Christy were playing both sides.

The whole six of us, when there were six of us in the house, everyone was pointing guns at everybody. Sure, sure. He had just told everyone that he and Christy did know he, other he had lied about it to the whole game so I was like yeah he should not have all of these stands I'm so glad he did though yeah that was huge so that's so funny see I was convinced yeah the reality TV I was convinced that was stage no I actually heard that everything did the doors they're very very thin and did you ever get caught eaves dropping yes so the only time I did was the day of eviction Cliff Nicole and Tommy

right after our argument in the kitchen yeah in the storage room Holly he was getting her makeup on in the like the little backyard bedroom and I went over to the storage room and I was listening and then Cliff opens the door and it comes out just let us have our conversation. I was like yeah you're right. Tush. You got me.

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Oh, yes. But she was like talking all this shit about it. So you were eavesdropping on Christian sis and I knew they were in there talking shit about me. So I was like, but I didn't know why. It was so weird because they were, you know, to my knowledge, like two my best friends in the house. Right.

Silly. And they're in there and it was, yeah. I would be the same way. I feel like I always trust people. Like I would go in and I'd be like, oh, I'm solid in here. Like, these people are my best friends. That's what I would, yeah. Your issue in that house would be overconfidence.

Yeah. You're so confident. I would be like everybody. I would be like everybody's friend. I feel like my whole thing would be social. I'd be okay at competitions, like physical. I'd be terrible at the mental comps. I don't even remember what I had for breakfast.

Girl, me neither. Memory is horrible. When you don't remember what day things have on? You can't have a journal. No, you can't write anything? Well, we have. You just, I mean, you have a lot of downtime. So we're just thinking.

Like the day, the one you beat Nicole. Yeah. Or you had to like figure the days out. Like, how do you do? So I just remembered whose H-O-Hs were when. Like a lot of people would make up little rhymes or like songs to remember. I don't, I don't know why. I think that was like over-thinking.

Because people know that that game's coming, right? I just remember. Like, I know that Nick won his H-O-H on day 23. I know that. Tommy one on like 51 I just know these things so like Otev was during Tommy's age to age that would have been two days after he won so that's 53 you can just like kind of do the quick math from there okay um like I kind of just knew that that one is always the game that threw me off where I was like how do they

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If I had to chirp you on one thing, Jackson or Mickey, call me whatever you want. My last name is Mickey, but everyone, the reason why went by us because when we moved in, there was a Jack. And Jackson and people were like, how are we going to differentiate between the two? And they would be conversations. I'm going to go with me. I don't know what to call him either because it feels weird calling, like, your buddy friend, your buddy name.

But also my dog's name is Jackson. Yeah. Yeah, her dog's name is Jackson. So it's very weird. I'm like, I don't know what to call you. So I got to finish this sentence, though. So I was like, if there's one thing I got to chirp him about, it was like he would win the competition. And I'd be like, damn, he's good.

But his cell, remember I said that? I'm like, his cellies are not. Oh, you wanted you to have bigger celebrations. Yes. Well, you've got to change your cellia. No, I just literally, for me, I don't like, I don't like celebrating. And I don't, and especially in this house, I never wanted to feel comfortable. Sure.

Yeah. I said it before, comfort gets you killed. Yeah. It really does. And in life, too. That would have been my problem. And I really do, because the moment you start getting comfortable, whether it's in that game or in life, you're no longer growing. Complacency, you're stagnant.

You're never going to make any progress. You're not going to go forward. The moment you start getting comfortable is when things are going to go south. Right. And that's what immediately attracted Holly and I together was we were in that Alliance of Eight. And everyone in our alliance was so cocky. So comfortable. And cocky.

They kept using the term we're just going to bulldoze through this game. We're just bulldoze everybody. Get the bottom feeders out. We're just going to plow through this thing. And we were like, and Holly and I would look at each other in bed and we'd be like, that ain't. That's not. I was like, y'all are too naive. It's always going to go to way.

Our entire alliance was way too comfortable. And so the fact that we were uncomfortable. is what set us up for success. And what the heck with Nick? Is that guy just like, did he never get girls before? So then he comes into the house and he can get like, he just, is he really with cat? I don't know. You know, I'm not going to speak on that.

She won't a friend. I can ask you. Can we get a lifeline? Nick really is though. He is one of the best guys that ever met. He is. He is. He's a very dynamic character.

I have had a love-hate relationship with Nick. In the beginning, I was like, no, I do not, this guy, no. And then it got a little better. I was like, wait, maybe I love him. And then I was like, ew. That's exactly how I went for as a viewer. Yeah.

But now I love him. It's very, yeah. He's got a very unique personality. He has a huge part, though. You either love him or you love to hate him. Yeah. I'm very, I'm the same way. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, you know. Polarizing, right? Very polarizing. Because Mickey, Jackson, whatever your name is. It's also, I just call him Jay, because that's easy. Yeah, that's good. Also very polarizing.

Yeah, I read articles and I was like, I think I don't do that. It's because everyone is so split on me. I have a lot of haters, but a lot of people that are supporting you. I was going to say the people that support you are probably very, very passionate about supporting you really have your back because they believe in the good in you. And you guys said you're watching it back together. Yeah. Okay. And that's obviously got to be challenging but also hilarious.

It is. What's your favorite part so far? I said something about a place. And we were laughing so hard. I was like, you know, this plan that I've contracted. I go, wait, contract it? No, constructive. I was like, no.

I used the wrong word. That's not the right word. Constructed. It's so funny. The little moments like that you would never imagine would actually make the final edit. Yeah. You just doing some stupid thing. That's what people are saying is when they're like, you guys are in a room and you're talking and you're like, yeah, well, Nick.

And then they show Nick doing something so stupid. Yeah. Like that's, they're always showing the devil's. She's going on the block. Oh my gosh. I just want Brussels sprouts. She said they're like freaking out about it

hilarious They show him in slow motion being like Brussels Sprouse and Christy being like I know I'm going up and crying What's with the watermelon thing

Is that legit? I love water melon You're just upset My entire life I always love watermel Jason you have no idea I mean From what I saw

It's a whole It's a true passion Yeah My mom You should get like Watermelon perfume My family No my

I'm thinking like watermelon brand deals H-O-H-Basket, they trolled me. They got me watermelon chapsick. They got me watermelon face-wash. Yeah, and they would ask people about, you know, stuff about watermelon. And it really has, ever since I was a little kid, I've always loved watermel. It's a long-term love of her.

In college, my freshman year, I came home from college one summer. It was the second week of May to the first week of August. And my mom kept a log of how many watermelons that you'd get, 126 watermelons. I ate 126 watermelons in one summer. I'm impressed. And, oh, I thought you were going to say in a year. In a summer. In a summer, three-month period.

That's impressive. Like, I would go to work, you know, bartender waiting tables, and I would have a Tupperware container that I would put in the back fridge, so I would go in there and break, just, just crowd out. Crush water melt. Yeah. So I got to ask about, so we talked about this all the time. With Bachelor, you actually, you don't really have access to a gym.

And if you do, it's because you're traveling and it's in a hotel, and they'll give you a 20, 30 minutes. But they have a whole gym back there. And my season, there was NFL players, MLB players, so they knew what to do. What did you do to, like, release? clearly both you guys like work out and you take you like how do you do so we we we actually don't I'm like really bad I need to start working out how do you look like like this I need to start working I've worked out in a hundred days this is the most out of shape

I've been and so you're not there's no way to like work out there's a small little gym outside in the yard yeah if we get the yard it's but we are almost never in the artitions a majority of the week and the set up and the everything so you the yard we we have access to like two days a week at most. Are you serious? Two days a week you get, otherwise you're stuck in that house. And that's what makes you also spiral socially

is because you have so much downtime. So much downtime to do nothing. No distractions. No sunlight. You have no clocks, no nothing. It is literally just. Wow, you guys really held yourself together good.

You don't know. You could have been three in the afternoon. It could have been two in the morning. You have no idea. So there's no clocks. Well, on the stove. There are. But you just,

but time doesn't matter. There are some similarities, though, right? Like, no phone, no TV, no internet. In The Bachelor, you don't know what time it is. Like, we have dates till 5 in the morning, and you don't even realize it. I remember coming off the show and I would wake up at, like, 4 in the morning and be like, I guess I'll pour myself a glass of wine. Yeah, why wouldn't I?

That's funny. Yeah, time doesn't really matter. Yeah, like, we're making breakfast. And breakfast in bed, it's 4.15 in the afternoon. Like, we didn't. Yeah. I made him and Nicole breakfast in bed and it was 4. Can you drink on the show?

Like, do they have alcohol? Almost, almost never. If there was, like, 10 people in the house. If there was 10, let's say there's 10 people in the house, they, it would be the most random amount of alcohol. It'd be like one bottle of wine and then like seven beers, like two budlons and that was like one every few weeks. Once every few weeks. Yeah. But alcohol is sober too.

Everybody would get one. If there was endless alcohol in there, I'm truly worried for like the psychological state of our gas. Yeah. No, I think that's why they cut it out. Yeah. They had to. I think that was one of the best decisions. In the house, you're like, man, I really just want a beer.

Really want a glass wine. In hindsight, I'm very glad that that's not a thing because it would spiral people out of That makes sense. And you do get alcohol in your H-O-H basket. So like we did have wine And so that's why like the one time

Because you don't want to drink it alone So like one time I do I split it with cats Well I know I like did but also you're playing a game And you want people to like you So you're like I really just want to drink this to myself But I should probably share Yeah

Because yeah I want these people to like me Otherwise you're a greedy bitch. Exactly. I remember you said that one. So you're like, I earned that wine or whatever it was. Because you and I were watching, I was like, I respect that. Yeah, well, she was going to have a, I had saved my wine. Yeah.

And we wanted to have a cute date night. Yeah. And then she kind of, we got into like an argument or something. And I was like, screw it. I'm open my bottle of wine. She goes, don't drink that. I was like, I earned that wine. I was like, wait.

I respect that. Well, in case you guys didn't know already, I'm taken. I'm going to give you a minute to absorb that. Sorry if this is how you're finding out. But not everyone can find love through Bachelor Nation. So now I'm turning my attention to help my friend Jill find her very own Jason, the old-fashioned way, which we all know is the dating app. I downloaded this new dating app ship that lets you swipe for your friends, super fun. So I can find dates for Jill.

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1885 euros Oh yeah I'd buy that Yeah For 20 bucks Definitely I'd show it I also okay I haven't taken a sip yet So wine is the one thing

I will say You do judge a book by its cover Because the most typical Consumer just buys based on the label So I'm sold already Because A it's a very cute label on the front But B on the back Great Legs full body

And the wine's not bad either Yeah I saw one It was like That's something And, yeah, get ready for it. I'm about to flirt with you. So I was like, I like that.

That is clever. If you don't know, Kailen, that's Kailen. Yeah, that's clever. I like it was, I really wanted to make it, like, something on the back. Because I'm not claiming that I'm like, I know how to make wine. I just like drinking it. So I wanted it to be good wine, but on the back have like my sense of humor. Fun, a little lighthearted.

Yeah. No, it's great. You're good at it. You're good at what you're doing right now. Thank you. And side note, I just took a sip. This is a really nice cab. Thank you.

I'm very impressed. Yeah. Yeah. I love the red. I love the red. And she said anything else who just edited it out. Yeah. You don't say that.

No. You're going to make the audience believe. Where are your group? No, there's, we're not editing. And this wasn't promotional. We actually just like this one. It's a good one. You can tell it's a California cab just.

Well, I'll send you guys some wine. Oh, amazing. I will not complain. I know she won't either. We've been cut off for a hundred days. I know. We got a strong dose in Vegas. That was culture shock.

Our tolerances. I saw you guys. We're in Vegas and with a bunch of other Big Brother people. Alum, that's the word. Yeah, I was like, people. Who did you guys bond with? Was Elena there?

Oh, I hated them all. I'm just kidding. Yeah, Elena literally just texted me today. She's hilarious. She's great. They were all very supportive. Josh. I met Josh from 19, the one of 19.

And he had a conversation with me. Josh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Meatball. Josh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the pots and pans. Yeah. But, and then Casey, truly, I mean, Casey even told me,

she goes, look, Mickey, I was watching the show, seeing the feeds, like, I was not a fan of you. And she gave me just a chance to have a conversation with her. And she's like, I truly do. I see a few of your colors. I love you to death. And she was in my apartment last night. We were doing a podcast with her, a vlog. And she made a post yesterday on her story.

And she was like, you know, you think you know someone because you watch them on TV. Yeah. But you don't know someone until you actually get to speak with them. So true. And I would say Casey has truly been one of the most supportive people. For me, at least. You know, and they're all, the Big Brother family is a true thing. Yeah.

And they've all been very supportive of us. It is wild. I was not expecting that support. Oh, really? It is genuine love and support. It is truly like open arms, welcome to the family. And when you're like thrust back into the real world. Yeah.

You need that. I'm so overwhelmed with everything. You need that. Yeah. You need that. Otherwise you're very alone. They get it. I think that's why they're so comforting and so wonderful.

Yeah. Get happy. You have no idea. Nobody can understand that experience. She's in the show. I've seen the show. My mom and I, my dad and I,

my buddies and I've always thought that I would do well on it. She thought you'd do well on it. But you don't understand it. It is drastically different. Until you get in it. Especially in the mental state that you would start to get in.

The way we can kind of sympathize with that is you go through the bachelor, a bachelor, same type of thing. And you get out and it's craziness. But people are like, why are these people linking up after the fact in the relationship?

are working out we had so many like commonality we're just like small town down to earth people and we go through this life changing event and i think that's like that's a reason but we got to travel the world we got to hang out with producers we got to do all these fun things from a relationship perspective after the show like think about you and i like we were not a show together you know what i mean but a lot of commonalities clip like like bachelor people get flack for like being clicky and stuff like that people's like yeah but no one else can be in their understand right nobody and you need those people you go from like wearing a suit going to my boss what can I do how do I perform better to I'm sitting across the CEO who is like

owns a 400 million dollar company hey my wife uh really my wife and I want a picture with you I'm like what the fuck's going on that what just happened I'm a 24 row bartender from Nashville Tennessee right that's like and now I'm sitting here having you know articles about me post about me I've got the checkmark. I don't care about fame. I didn't go out to LA to ever be on TV. I truly had said in, you know, all my stuff before Big Brother, I was like, I would play Big Brother, even if it wasn't on TV.

I just liked to compete. Sure. You know, I was an athlete grown up, and I wasn't able to play college ball just based on injuries and things like that. I was like, this is, I just like, everything's a competition for me. Totally. That's me with Dancing with the Stars. I wouldn't even care if it was on TV. I'd just like I would love to compete dancing because that's what I did my whole life.

And then I'm thrust into the natural spotlight. And I'm like, I don't, I didn't ask for this, but it's like, now here I am. I know. And you don't know how heavy it's going to be coming out of it. You're like, oh, they'll get some following on. You know, you don't realize the weight that you have to carry now and the responsibility coming out of a show like that. It changes your life.

It really does. It does. What were you going to say? You go on the show and people have this expectation, like, you know that everyone is like a fan of yours or hates you and you just don't understand the magnitude of it until you're off of it. And people think that it's inherited that, oh, you get it or something that happens. But it is a whirlwind for anybody when they get off the show.

And I don't think there's enough, like, sympathy out there for it. Now, obviously, we're all fortunate and we're blessed to be in these, like, weird positions. But at the same time, like, it's enduring, right? And it's difficult. It's tough waters and navigate. Especially in Big Brother, because, you know, I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone on a Bachelor. I've never been on The Bachelor. I've never been on The Bachelor.

But you are able to film the show, get out, and then watch the show. as the country sees it. So true. I walked in. The last thing that I saw, the last event I went to was CMA Fest in Nashville, the first weekend of June. And then I get out and everything in the stores is for Halloween.

Yeah. And I have no idea what's being said about it for the past 100-some days. Even with like huge news stories you don't know. Yeah. We don't know about pop culture. We don't know about politics. Were you like, holy shit, Miley Cyrus is dating a girl? Yeah. Wait.

What? Yeah. I did, I just found this out She broke up already Oh and they broke up So I just found out She gave a girl They broke up

That's new It's so funny because like To be fair I don't like really care I don't like Really care about pop culture that much I don't either

But it's funny Because apparently Some of my friends think I do So I like get text updates About that And I'm like okay I don't care What Cardi B is up to

No offense Rady B Like nothing against you But like you know My friends like text me This up I'm like okay But yeah So I heard about Miley's

You know girlfriend Yeah I mean Old Town Road Was like I think the most Popular song when we left and I can't stand it apparently it's still cool. Apparently it's still cool because I made a post on my

Instagram and I was like just to put it in a perspective like this song because we're at we're at a club the other night. Yeah. No it was in L.A. which like I don't know why. Why are we going out so much? I don't even go out in my normal life. I know exactly. No I'm not a no it turned into we all went to you know go get like some tacos because we weren't going to hang out on Tuesday. We're going to go get Taco Tuesday on a Monday. We're going to go to dinner and then my roommate was like, hey, you know, people will probably, they'll get us to table. You know, if you want to go have a drink and then one thing led to another and we're like, oh, this is a night. We just get so excited too because we're with each other outside of the house.

So, like, normally you would have to like drag me to get me to a club. But it's like we're with each other and we finally get to just enjoy each other for just pure enjoyment of each of those personalities. No strategy, no, you know, like not manifesting this. I actually get to hang out with Chrissy and love her because we are not competing against each other. Right. So it's a nice change of pace. You know, like when you're competing against someone and it's that much money, you're

going to get annoyed at them. You're going to hate them. You're living in that house. You can be friends outside of there. Tensions are so high. Like, Chrissy drove me nuts. Yeah. But I do love her.

I really do love her. I mean, a lot of people drove me nuts, but I love them. You asked about the money. So I'm a finance guy. I got to know. What's your first plan? with the money that you got so i'm actually going back to nashville we are flying out what's today wednesday yeah so probably either thursday night or friday morning i'm going back to

nashville um and i'm meeting with my financial advisor i have dedicated seven percent to after taxes seven percent towards living expenses i had my car totaled two weeks before i moved into the show moved into the house i have to get a new car um i live in hollywood and i might relocate closer to the water but I'm the I live in LA yeah but I'm the least LA guy you're ever going to yeah I still wear jeans and boots when I go out like people are sitting there dragging me on the on Instagram saying dude you still have a home button on your phone upgrade I have an iPhone six I have no intentions of getting a new iPhone I have no intentions of like yeah I feel like you should maybe get a new iPhone I don't like spending money no I like earning money I like

making money and I like saying I don't like spending money yeah Yeah, like, people are like, dude, you need to burn that pink hoodie. I'm like, why it fits fine? And to be fair, that pink hoodie is mine. It's hers. Just side note. The pink hoodie is mine. Black, I don't hat is mine.

We just wore each other's clothes. In the desert, they're like, why does the richest guy look the most broke? And it's like, because I don't give a shit about looking rich. I would rather be rich and look broke. It's all the guys that are driving the Porsches that are broke because they're spending money on stupid shit. Yeah. Oh, I waited. I waited and bartending in Beverly Hills.

Yeah. I saw it firsthand. Oh, I saw it firsthand. Oh, and I saw. saw the, you know, the designer bags, the watches, everything that would come in, and then I know that they're probably also the most in debt, you know, and it's like, so what good does it do you to look rich if you don't have a penny to your name? Eight out of ten people in America are strapped with debt. And there's so many, in our generation,

there's so many like 50K millionaires. They have $50,000 of the name, and they act like millionaires, and it's a huge issue. So good for you. I have no student loans, no debt currently. Find a way to claim like your LLC or business in Tennessee. No, state income tax no i know they don't and i that's yeah yeah i mean if your financial advisor gives you that advice yes no that's i love the sense i need to hire jason yeah he's so good not that i want a lot we'll exchange contact you won't pay for another hoodie again help me out i appreciate he is actually really good at that side of things and i get so much

business advice from jason it's he you're very knowledgeable in that world so i mean i was 23 before i am very blessed like 23 turn about that 23. I was, I turned 24 a week. I turned 24 a week before moving in. So it's like, you know, I'm sitting there hustling for, you know, 3, 400 a night trying to make it a barton and work. Sometimes I make, you know, 75 bucks a night. You never know waiting tables. I did it. And it's like, you know, I was a college student and trying to work my way through college. And now here I am in a summer took $510,000. That's amazing. Whoa. I don't even know where to start, but no, a lot of it. This is just the start making. I know. And that's crazy. So it's like, I will take any assistance that you're willing to give me because this is the opposite end of the spectrum that I ever thought I'd be on. Yes, let Jason help you.

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I wanted to talk about, obviously, your reaction when you won because everyone, we were all sitting at home going totally deserves it. Okay, like between the two of you, we don't know what's going to happen. And then your poor fucking confetti was ruined. You know, I get people are, people had their opinions about why things happen the way that they did. Yeah. Why did CBS do that to them they think that I got it taken away from me? I understand that they were, you know, there's an issue going on online, one of which I have no idea about.

There is everyone not privy to that at all because we're cut off. I get CBS addressing it. I get that they were, you know, wanting me to also have a platform. They were also kind of looking out for me in that sense. But at the same time, I have no idea what is being said about me. And so, you know, racism and, you know, being misogynist, things like that. Yeah. two things that I that hit home for me right on a very personal level yeah when I'm sitting

there trying to campaign for half a million yeah um it completely caught me off guard yeah and I have no idea what's being said so it's like for me the hell with the 500 grand right I'm an only child I'm the only one carrying my last name yeah what is happening to my family what is happening to me on a personal level what is going on you keep the check for all I care but what is going on yeah in my life I have a future after this. I'm 24. Yeah. I'm trying to go forward after the show.

There is a life after Big Brother. Yeah. So 500 grand is great, but it's not permanent. Sure. My last name, I'm the last one carrying it. That matters more to me than any dollar amount. You can tell you're that kind of person. And that's why I was like, oh, this poor guy, they're trying to just make an example, you know,

or like do something where you go in the live feeds like I watch you. And I was like, what are they talking about? You know, like, there's a lot of things that were shown on this. like genuinely shocked. There's a lot of things that were said on the feeds. And I am never going to sit here and contest the things that I said and that I should have said them because, you know, in that house, it is a pressure cooker. Yeah. And in the heat of the moment, things are said and you get annoyed with people. But it was never about race. No. And, you know, one of the biggest things is people are references about going back to Mexico saying go back to Mexico. Mexico is,

was our code word and in hindsight all of the houseguests would say this and we should have thought this might not be a good look but when I'm saying you know go back to Mexico or send it back to Mexico that was the sequester hotel that we were in that was our code word for it we had a lot of code words for everything so like the Dominican Republic is our code word for the diary room oh my gosh we came up like we as a we as a group okay as a group yeah came up with all of these different code words so like when we would go to the diary room we would say the Dominican Republic

the DR. When we talked about the hotel where we were in sequester before the show we called it Mexico because we'd be like oh yeah we're not allowed to talk about production like we're just like vacation and you know because the feeders we're not supposed to end the game we're not allowed to talk about our diver rooms

we had code words for everything like money we would refer to as lasagna. Why we don't know it's in the game I don't know why, because who doesn't love lasagna? You know what I mean? So we had code words, so it's like, yeah, I'm sending back to Mexico, meaning I'm going to, I'll evict you and then go back to sequester. That's what I meant.

It had nothing to do about going back to actual Mexico. And then another thing is that like, we get groceries every week, but a part of the game is strategizing, you know, how to ration out your food. So there was one thing that it was talking about, we don't have a Jessica. size portion of eggs just because a plus size model so people are roast me for that too but people also were not taking into consideration was there was a small period of time where in the mornings she would make cookie sheets of bacon and a large egg scramble for the entire house yeah but no one would eat it and then all the eggs would get thrown away because it went to waste yeah so me trying to cook for everybody and trying to ration our food for the week when we have all of our eggs getting used not all of them

but a large amount of eggs getting used for a scramble, no one's eating, it annoys you. The little things annoy you. So when Jack was like, hey, do we have enough eggs? I was like, yeah, but not a Jessica portion size eggs because we don't have enough for the scramble. And now you're talking about her body weights. And I think what's so important is that like.

I know that he meant that. Everyone in the cast knows that. But it's like the people at home, they take, if they have a bad opinion of me, they're going to take a snippet and run with it. It's like, we have footage of him on the feet saying, go back to Mexico how can you say he's not racist because I'm talking about the damn hotel that must be very frustrating to not just like this is what it actually is right one is people like

we're kind of in the same world rate interviews yesterday and we're like I wonder if they're going to take those three sentences and make it a headline and if they do they could twist I think what's important though is things are taken out of context and it is clear like sitting with you and hearing your perspective of it is that you see all sides of it you take ownership for the fact that hey I said this and I could see why that would be offensive, but that clearly was not my intent in delivery. And my perspective is anyone out there that watches the show that follows, things are taken out of context, and it's more the root in like the deep meaning of the core.

And for you to sit here and say, like, I understand why that would be offensive and where that angle is, but that's not what my intention was. And if that was, I'm sorry, I think that speaks volumes. That's the answer, right? I really do. I will be the first one to admit what I'm wrong. And I said things about people aggressively. I know I could be an asshole.

I'm very intense I'm very intense I keep my emotions in check like in relationships and with Holly I'm very cold sometimes I don't like dealing with emotions my things out of side

I just bury everything I don't deal with it I'm focused yeah exactly you know I don't mean to come across in an abrasive way but I know that I do and I know I have things to work on

and in no way shape or form am I saying that I was perfect I'm far from perfect I said things on the show I did things on the show that need work and need addressing. But my biggest frustrations is that it was never about race or gender. If she says something that pisses me off, it'll be the same way as if you said it and piss me off. Or my buddies at home piss me off.

But I also recognize that I need to change the way that I respond to certain people and be more sympathetic, be more caring, be more understanding. Because, again, I'm 24. I've got it far from figured out and I have a lot of living left to do. And this is a growing experience. I get to see myself. And I'll tell you, you are way ahead of your age. Because at 24, I was doing the same thing. Problems, I would run, I would close the door.

I am at 30. I'm a different man than that because of my experiences. And Caitlin will say, you're very self-aware, though. And that is the, you always tell me that. Like, self-aware and ownership, we'll get in fights. And there are times I'm like, no, I'm sticking my guns. And there are times I'm like, you got me. You're right.

I was wrong. I'll take ownership. Last night. And that's how you grow, though. That's how you beat. complacency. We're watching the show and she goes, hey, what did they say about me and I was on my phone and I

didn't respond? She goes, hey, I'm talking to you. I go, I'm so sorry. I should have been listening to you. I apologize. Went up, gave her a hug gave her a kiss, picked her up. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to be distracted. I should have given you more attention. Literally. And now we're able communicate. And that's all you can. And that's all we need. 30 seconds. Done.

Communication. We have great communicators that's awesome. We're not able to communicate freely. That's amazing though that you can come out of it now and have that great Because how shitty would that be you come out? And then you're like, oh, we actually are not good at communicating. Right. We actually do so.

No. Yeah. We actually communicate. It's very nice coming out of the show, too, with somebody. It's like having a partner in crime in the show is huge. And it ended up being a big blessing for us. Game-wise and just sanity-wise. Yeah.

Because the show, it truly is so hard. It is so hard. And so to have like a confidant and like somebody that you genuinely trust. Yeah. Because you really can't trust anybody in that show. We're also a teammate in life. But to have, yeah, to have a teammate that's like, because we're so supportive of each other. And even though we were so competitive with each other, we also lit a fire under one another's asses.

Yeah, I love that. So we're like so motivated. So it's, it was nice having a partner and crime in the show. Yeah. But then coming out of it with all of just the backlash and the overwhelming transition, but then to still have somebody that's just on your team. And now we can finally just like do life and be normal. Totally. And enjoy it.

And if I could tell you, though, and give you. any bit of advice, it's not going to change in the fact that, like, this world now becomes it becomes a little bit competitive. And where, you know, you'll see, so we talk about this all the time. So I have an MBA. I've moved four times for work, seven promotions. And here I, you know, Caitlin always talks about this. Caitlin is a high school education makes eight times what I was making as a vice president

corporate banking. So for the benefit of us, it made more sense for me to go to Nashville. And that, that's a team play, right? and then in this world that you're going to live in you know, Holly's going to get some brand deals that. Oh, yeah. Shit, why didn't I get that? And I'm going to say, no, I'm already, I'm already like that.

And that is, I'm already getting, yeah. Like, we're already competing, but also, like, supportive. I'm, like, looking at his, like, engagement on Instagram, I'm like, what? Exactly. So, so my point is, is it better than you. Yeah, but you get in this. Yeah, but that world. I got this brand.

Are you? Are they reaching out to you? Okay. Well, yeah. So my, my point is that, like, that never changes and it's getting worse. And the thing. that we do to like kind of stay on the same page is like we're under one roof it's one team

it's one brand it's us what i do impacts her what she does impacts me and like every time i could be i don't i always say i don't like saying oh you're my cheerleader but like if i could be your number one cheerleader i will be and i'll suggest like it's going to continue like it doesn't and like on the show i don't know if it ever made air but i literally was like i want her to do the best thing for i want her to be happy whether i'm in the picture or not i want her to do what's always best for her and I'm going to do what's best for me and if it works together great but it's like if it doesn't she's still always if she gets a boyfriend down the road too bad buddy I'm in her life yeah she's still going to be my best for me like I still love it

the death and that will never change but I never want her to sacrifice her happiness for me because I won't do the same yeah you know I want us to be mutually happy as individuals but also be a team too you know what I'm so transparent about that like since the get-go before we even turned into anything romantic. I mean, because we were friends first. And so we even talked about that, like, hey, if this goes in this direction. Because we felt feelings and things started to kind of change on a friendship level.

And so we had a conversation even, like, hey, this might turn into something. And if it does, it doesn't matter how it ends up, we will always be each other's number one fans. And we will always be best friends. Whether we continue dating outside of the show or whatever happens, we value each other too much as friends now that, like, yeah, we just have always been very transparent. And people are going to roll their eyes and say,

oh, that's BS. Like, just give it a year. But that's where we really think very similarly in that sense. And that's why we work so well together is because we both have the same mindsets on a lot of things. On a personal, like, you know, outside level, I'm very intense. She's very subdued

and we balance each other out. On an intellectual level, we really do think very similarly. I can see that. On like, yeah, on a logical strategic just mindset we're very similar personality we're opposites which is also why we work because we balance each other

we call ourselves a yen and yen and yeah we're just so different exactly but you need that opposites attract but you need the similarities yeah that's exactly right and don't think you're getting out of here without telling us a confession I was going to say we didn't get a confession oh shit

you have to tell us a confession something that happened I'm sure something embarrassing happened in the house that you want to confess. Wait, do you want to know my confession first? Yes. I was, I turned on the TV one night to fall asleep. And I was like, oh, I think they're banging.

And you guys were, like, having a bath first and, like, setting it all up. Oh, her and I? Yeah. Oh, us? Yeah. Oh, us. You watch those. Caitlin, you're a live feeder?

I'm not. I'm not. It came with my CBS All Access. Right. And I didn't even know I had the live feed. Wait, wait. So can I see this on CBS All Access. Don't look at me, by the way.

What? Oh, no. On Apple TV, Apple TV. Okay. Because I have the app. False. Okay, so, Caitlin, so maybe a confession should be, I'm, hi, I'm dumb. I, obviously, I'm a fan of the show.

I've never watched live feeds. Neither has Jackson. Yeah. We've never watched live feeds. And in my mind, I was like, oh, well, like, probably nobody really watches that. It's not good quality. And it's just, it's whatever. It's like taking them with like phone camera or whatever.

I really just underestimated that. So there's that. And also wasn't expecting on getting in a showmance where it's like this insane chemistry and, you know, whatever. But, okay, a little tangent there. So I'm very naive and stupid. And I apologize, America. I was not. Yeah, both was.

Oops. Yeah, I'm dumb. We done goofed. I'm dumb. But also I just also wasn't expecting just the crazy chemistry either. Yeah. didn't show you guys like doing it or anything okay good oh they did well

no no no no but like so I just saw you guys having a cute bath so in the bath that was actually after I won Pose and Ivy yeah my first age and that was the hardest physical comp of the season that was brutal and I oh yeah you're so sore girl I could walk like she crushed it yeah yeah I mean I kind of

I was a little proud of that one also because like I don't work out I'm not an athlete I'm not an athletic person I just have the mentality of like, I will not quit and I will give it my damn all. And that's why I ended up doing really, really well in physical calms, which is so funny because anybody that knows me outside of here is probably like, wait, what?

No, you just, yeah, you just don't give up. But that, so my body was destroyed. Destroyed. I was dying. So there were a couple things. Like he took a rolling pin to my body and like rolled it out to help my muscles and then we took a bath with Epsom salt.

Like it wasn't necessarily like a romantic. romantic thing. Yeah. I mean, maybe I don't really remember. But, like, we were like, he was, like, nursing me back to health. I mean, he hurt, too, but not as bad as me. I was dying because I did.

No, I remember watching. I was like, oh, I want a massage. Yeah. So confession, you can go first. Confession. Oh, my God. I don't know. Wait, I don't know what kind of confession you want.

Give me a genre. Well, I'll give you an example. There's one bathroom in the house. I'll get an example. One that Caitlin gave. What? So Caitlin and I are in a live podcast, and Caitlin gives the confession.

about the first time we hooked up. And you don't have to get into these details, but to give you a perspective of how Caitlin, she talks about the, why don't you tell the confession? I've told it so many times on the podcast. The first time we met, I was on my period, we dry humped, and it was awesome. It was awesome.

The confession is that I like dry humping, okay? But yeah, and it just, or people poop their pants or like, oh, my confession the other day, I was, like, wearing a onesie, and I, like, went to go to the bathroom, and I, my sleeve dropped in the toilet, and I peed on it, and then I went the rest of the night wearing the same rompick. Which, what was this? Actually, I'll say this. I will say that my confession with Holly is that I knew I loved her when she won Pose and Ivy, but I was never going to say it.

And that was on day 37, y'all. I had already fallen in love with her. Really? On day 37. But I was never going to say it until. I heard it from her. Wait, when did you guys say it? Day 75.

Oh, no way. Technically? And we both had to pull it out of each other because I knew it, she knew it, and we're never going to say it because it just passed relationships for both of us and also on national television. It was like, nope, I was like, I'm fighting and I'm fighting it. But I knew when she won that late age towards again, I was like, damn, I love this girl. Technically, I said it on day of what, 51 when you were on the block of Jack. Yeah, she slipped up.

Technically, I slipped up in my goodbye message to Jack. Yeah. And then, like, in my mind, I was like, oh, like, it's just Jack, so it doesn't matter but it's like, like, also I love you, but, you know, I also love your best friend. And so, meaning Mickey. Right. So. You said, Jack, I love you, but I love your best friend more.

Yeah. Yeah. And Jack goes, ooh. Yeah. And Jack was like, ooh, she said love. So it's like, because at that point, like, I knew that I loved him. Yeah. Also, I think I realized I loved him, like, in the mid-40.

the day like yeah it's around the same time but we both bought it and contested it because we're both stubborn and we both are very like uh protective yeah yeah yeah of course we both just kind of had you know some rocky relationships yeah past and we're a lot so we've yeah we both have walls up like serious walls up but so we didn't actually say it until day 75 which in a normal relationship like probably seems normal but in the big brother house that was a long time. No, yeah. I'm surprised.

I ran the numbers with you. Literally, after 100 days, it's over two years of time together. So it's like. But also, I guess I don't know if this is like a confession, but it's so hard to talk about

anything. And like, I don't want to be like, I love you. You know what I mean? Because it takes a lot for me to say that. And I don't say it often either. So like a lot of things that we wanted to talk about,

we didn't want to talk about in publicly. We had code words. So we had code words. Oh, yeah, we had code words. So we would say like, Day 75, babe, because that's, like, when we said it. But we would talk about things in the shower. Yeah.

Because that was the only, like, that was the only time we could have, like, personal time. So we put towels over that, and then we would be able to talk about things. So we could, like, when it looked like we were, like, getting it on, like, a lot of the time we were just, like, talking, like, intimately. You know? Wait, that's a great confession. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know if that's, is that okay to say, like, that.

So, like, the first time we said, I love you was, like, in the shower. It sounds, like, so stupid, but it's, like, that was our only. alone time we literally that's like how we had to escape yeah I'll have a different question the stool was not our idea oh yeah this Jack

if the if you saw like the okay if you don't know what the stool is then it doesn't even matter but that was a Jack thing Jack one day was her H-O-H there's these two wooden stools in the downstairs bathroom

sock on the door type of and no so Jack comes up he opens a door and he slams a stool down and he goes I wonder if this thing's waterproof and so we would use the stool in the shower. The HOH shower is where everybody went to go on.

And also. Because the only place for privacy. It's the only place for privacy. And they let you do that. The only place for privacy is the H-O-A shower. But also, mind you. Because there's not a camera in there. Yeah.

That's the only place. But it's got a frosted glass door and the door goes up. And you can't have your mics on in the shower. Yeah. That's amazing. There's still, there still is a mic. There still is a mic hanging from the top of the shower, but it's like at least a little bit of privacy.

We would cut both shower heads on and then just whisper like right. in each other's here. Oh, that's great. Yeah. But also, so the whole stool thing, that was a Jack idea. But we were also the last, I'm realizing now that we're watching the show, it looks like our relationship started pretty early on. We were the last of the showmances to get together.

Oh, really? Nick and Bella were very early on, like really quickly, like dove into a relationship. And then came Jack and Sis. And they were, you know, very quick too. Very quick. Yeah. We were the last. it just edited it differently, you know, where we...

And we also had conversations about before we were ever in a showmance because of having a faux manse for our game. Just like cuddling together, going to bed like three nights a week to make it look like we were together. Because in our six and in our eight, it was Nick and Bella, it was a couple. Tommy and Christy were very close. Jack and Sis were very close.

And we're like, okay, we might need to look like we're together. Then it turned into a real thing. We're like, ah, shit. I was like, I'm screwed. I was like, I like, I like, we're like... genuinely we genuinely were thinking maybe it is a good idea to have a showman so why not have a faux manse and we were such good friends yeah like we had an instant connection on a friend level right away obviously I was attracted to her I mean yeah I'm attracted to yeah so it's like yeah she's great likewise I mean I followed her on Instagram a year or two ago when she lived in Nashville and like I knew who she was didn't recognize her until like three or four days into the house that's so much obviously I thought She was attractive. Yeah.

So funny. And then, yeah, we were talking about a phonance. We seriously, we're going to just do a complete phonance. And then we turned into a showmats, and then there was a whole lot of romance. And it worked. We're like, the last ones to be intimate, but the ones who actually, like, just dove into, like, full-blown feels. Yeah. Yeah.

And we also online people are like Jackson Holly. There's so many videos and, like, nighttime camera videos of Jackson-Holly this, Jackson-Holly that. It's because, I mean, Nick and Bella were split up. day 30 yeah yeah yeah the other you guys kept getting the age to at room they were day 37 and then jack got evicted day 51 yeah so from 51 to 99 right we were the last showman so it's only yeah but it's like we weren't necessarily we were the last to get together but we weren't we were all over each other a lot we're very attracted to each other and it's great we both we know we suck like we were all over each other in the house no i loved it

At the same time. We're really annoying. Yeah, we're very. Even still that we're out of the house. We'll be like in my apartment or in his and like, I'll just like be in the other room and realize I miss him and I'll like sprint out to the living room and like jump on him. And I'm like, I miss you. And like we're disgusting. And we are very self-aware.

Very aware of that we suck as a couple. But I love it to death. I really do. And you know what I like, Mickey is that we are breaking. There's this old traditional stereotype where older men are going with the younger women. we're like no we're ahead of that we're breaking that stereotype we're going with the gals and have just a couple angel but it's maturity thing too it's maturity independent they kick ass she's got a great head on her shoulders she's lived her 20s and it's okay and women rule the world in 2019 they do you know I think

Christie said it Christy said a man by definition is the head of the house but the woman is the neck that turns the head and it is so true because literally without her in this game I would have completely been screwed. She kept me saying she pulled the reins on her. She kept me check. I seriously do. I like I accredit my win and big brother to having Holly next to me in the house. They think

Holly didn't do anything. Holly rode Mickey's Cotails. No. On a game level she always had my back but on a personal she seriously did. You were very level-headed through always. Especially for what it was. And that's what it was. See I felt like I was like not level-headed because normally I am very level-headed and I felt like I lost my

mind a couple times in the show but no but in the grand scheme of things so i actually have one quick question i have to ask before i wrap up so there was a scene for anybody that doesn't watch the show there was a scene where mickey had to make a complete lie up to america's one of america's fan favorite guys which was tommy and as a result Tommy starts crying and he starts yelling at you saying you're lying and he then and but then he points to holly and he says like holly you had said this whole time you want to be your own person be your own person like step up and say that your boyfriend is lying right now. And I could see like you were distraught.

So I'm just curious, like in that moment, with everything you're saying right now, like, what is that? Because Tommy will forever be one of my best friends. I adore him so much. And in the game, we were aligned. Like we, Tommy and I function very similarly too. Our gameplay was very similar. And we've talked about this post show. Like, he and I both saw Sam as a threat because he functioned kind of similarly.

because I knew that my social game would be, you know, carry me far in this game. Same with Tommy. He knew that his social game would carry him really far. And like, neither of us really had to show our cards competitively. Sam, I knew he was going to be a social threat. And that's why I targeted him. Tommy was also targeting him. Anyway, we just, we have very similar mindsets.

But at the same time, we never saw each other as competition. Like Tommy and I originally had a final four. And I would have, to be honest, picked him. You know, I definitely would have picked him over Christy. depending on how the summer went. I don't know between him and sis, but I would have taken Tommy to the end, and it sucked that we were at odds with each other

because of how the game had ended up. And so I hated being against him, but I knew I had to. But also, that whole thing, like, I really played up the, I want to be my own player. I want to play my own game. I feel like I'm just playing Jackson's game.

Like, I'm sorry. I really, really, really played that up. Yeah, yeah, that was all strategy. Oh, I was playing my own game. game, but I didn't want the house guest to know that. I wanted to just be pitiful, pinnipful. My decisions were not hers. Yeah, we were both playing separate games, but I really wanted people to think that I

was kind of under his thumb and like that I felt overshadowed by him because I knew we had a big target on our backs. And no offense, babe, but I want to meet the care of the target. I want to meet him out of the bigger one. It's gameplay. Like, I knew that people were coming after us. But why just feel so bad about like the Tommy thing? So, so I, I felt.

I felt horrible that we had to make that play and I felt horrible that when he was like, be your own person. And I was just like, I can't. I can't. But it was like, that's not my play here, Tommy. It's really not like I'm, you know, I'm, I can't, I can't. It came down to Holly or Tommy. It was like, ain't a snowball chance in him and let Holly walk out this door without trying

everything I could. That's why I said earlier I said the $550,000 lie. Yeah. Even in that moment, I was like, I know that this is probably going to secure the win for Mickey. But, and I felt horrible because any other person, like, maybe at that point, at that point in the game, like, I could have mustered the courage to make up a lie or do something like that, make a gameplay like that. But the fact that it was to Tommy, it truly was hard. It truly was hard. There's clips of that night in the bathroom.

Yeah, I saw. I don't, I'm not a crier. I'm not a crier. And it was like day 86. It was the first time I cried in that house. People were like, oh, it's fake tears. Production told them to cry. I'm the cynic.

I'm like, okay, here's the bullshit tears. Really? I said that to you. Oh, I believe. I love that. We weren't good. Production told him that he needs to, you know, change his image. It's Tommy's a fan favorite.

No, I literally, I, Tommy, and we are inseparably close, best friends. We all are. Tommy even put on his story literally two nights ago. It was like, you know, I still love you to death, blah, blah, we respect game. Yeah. But I adore Tommy. so much and it broke marks. I don't like hurting people. I don't like lying to hurt people. I don't want to know that I'm making someone cry and making them feel that pain. And he even said

on his way, right after he got evicted, he stood up, gave me a hug, smiled, and he goes, you fucking got me a piece of shit. He gave me a hug. And I kind of smirked and I was like, I'm sorry, but we, it was, it was never anything personal and he knew that. And that's ultimately why he voted for me, but it really did. It broke our hearts having to do that. But it really was it's him or us and it's survival of fittest and I will pay her over anybody anytime ever and it was like

Jackson had to make up the lie and do that to Tommy and I had to just kind of play the innocent almost like play the victim like play innocent play dumb because that was my whole thing and stay out of it because she was the one on the block

I was on the block I couldn't I couldn't risk it and then also like if I do make it to final four or I don't want Cliff and Nicole, you know, thinking that I'm in any way, shape, or form a threat, you know. I'm surprised that you lived up to your deal. Deal? Your deal and you didn't take H-O-H.

I can't believe. I know, especially because I'm sorry, that was a comp. That was almost a $500,000 on mistake. That was an in-the-bag. That was an in-the-bag comp. I'd been waiting for it all summer. And it was so fun, it was so fun, I didn't want to let go. Selfish.

Okay, so this is going to show. This is selfish, and I knew that. I knew that Nicole would pick Holly to go but Cliff would pick me if Nicole won H-O-H she doesn't vote and if me and Holly are on the block Cliff would pick me

so I didn't want Holly to be H-O-H because if Holly was H-O-H and I'm on the block next to Cole or next to Cliff I would have 100% been going right so I was like I saw Cliff ball I was like and Holly please fall I was like if you win this

if I don't win the veto, I'm going on I'm gone. And I knew that it was a better game play for him for me to drop. And I knew that and I was hanging on there like man I really don't want to drop because A, I'm having fun. Yeah. I love competing. Yeah, yeah. I could have hung on that role. I could have been there

all night. Oh my gosh. And so I didn't want to drop and I wanted that win and I wanted another H-OH to add to my resume and so that was tough. But I just like and Cliff was sitting there like please Holly because he's down there like please Holly. drop and I just

on like oh on a total non-game level my morals like I had looked them in the eye and shaking their hand and where and it might sound so stupid and naive but where I come from you make deals on handshakes you genuinely do

you look somebody in the eye shake their hand but I had just like just shaking their hand and I was like I will do whatever it takes to say in this game if that means taking forth and really in that moment And I was like, I will take the gamble. If I go out forth, whatever, at least I did it respectively.

But we still have a veto to play. And we have a 50% chance. We were taking each other. Right. We were breaking that. I knew in that moment it was a 50-50 shot. I was like, I'm jumping off this rope. And if I go, that sucks.

But I did it respectively. But, you know, 50% chance that one of us wins and then we both stay. But I was going into that veto. I was like, I'm not about to let Holly fall. and then go home because of me. I was like, as a blanket, I wanted just in case, but I was like, I'm winning this veto for her because I'm not about to let her leave dropping on a deal.

But we made deals with Cliff, made us both take a deal that if she won the veto, she would evict me. I won the veto, I would evict her. And we're both sitting there and we're like, are you nuts? We ain't taking it. We're out of your mind. It's not that he even thought.

But we agreed to anything we could because we just had to get to four. We knew if we got to four. Then we'd be good. be good. We told him what he wanted to hear, but we were, I was in my head, I was like, wait a, is he really, does he really never do this? But that's not how we are. We were loyal until they went back

on their deal. That's when we were like, screw it. That was the loophole. Until they were not. Yeah, because then it's like, well, you broke it first. Yes. No, I totally understand that. You guys. I truly had no intention. I'm really rooting for you guys in life. Like, I really want you guys to just be happy

and love and stay together. I'm so just happy for you both. and loved watching you guys this whole season and wherever are you guys doing anything on Instagram do you want to pump

your own tires here for a second yeah sure no we both we both do well I mean no matter what happens life good or bad I really am she makes me happy

than anything so it's like I won that at the end of the day the check is great but she really was like the biggest prize coming out she's incredible

my check's not as great so like luckily I also have I mean I'm happy I'm happy I'm happy to have a check at all but I also have jacks

so yeah um you guys are awesome yeah now I have two jacks and my little Jackson is obsessed with my big Jackson so it's it's disgustingly adorable so yes if you go if you go to my Instagram it's really disgusting my whole story right now is like them cuddle it's really I was knocked out on the couchously adorable I love obnoxious and adorable so mine I'm still like navigating how to like handle followers and stuff um Miss Holly Allen M-I-S-S-H-L-L-L-Y- A-L-L-E-N. And I'm at Jackson underscore Mickey, M-I-C-H-I-E. But, yeah, you'll see a lot of stuff about me with her dog. All the dog content I will take. It's stupidly cute. I kind of hate it. You guys are stupidly cute.

You guys are stupidly cute. Yeah, y'all are so cute. We need to go on a double thing and go party. Yeah, I agree. We need to do that. I agree in the very near future. We come back to L.A. I'm doing a live podcast tour and I'll be in L.A., so we'll do a double date.

Well, either here or Nashville, we are. Oh, yeah, great. And I will take any excuse to go back to Nashville. I can't. I know. I'm going to say same. I like, I love that he's from Nashville because I miss it so much. Of course.

So it gives me a reason to visit. Okay, we'll come back. We've got a spare bedroom and we're really fun. I already know y'all are really fun. Yeah. So we'll get each other's info. Yeah, we'll send you wine. Yeah.

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