Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Christine and Em of That’s Why We Drink

Episode Date: September 17, 2020

Kaitlyn’s guests this week are the hosts of the true crime podcast, That’s Why We Drink, Christine and Em! They share the story of how they started the podcast and Kaitlyn explains the unsolved mystery of who peed in her bed. Em talks about some of their favorite haunted experiences, graduating from Clown College, then Christine gets into some old Catholic school trauma. Later, they all share some embarrassing confessions, talk about Snoop Dog’s new wine collab, and more creepy stories! GEICO – Go to geico.com , and in fifteen minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance EXPRESS – Text VINE to 397-737 to receive $25 off your purchase HEALIST CBD – Go to Healistnaturals.com/VINE to sign up and get your free sample today SKREWBALL WHISKEY – Go to Skrewballwhiskey.com for more info and click to buy now HOME DEPOT – You can save even more on the styles you love when you use code OFFTHEVINE10 at checkoutSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Hey, everybody. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Today, I had two guests on that are the hosts behind the extremely popular podcast. It's called And That's Why We Drink. Love it. The pod is released every week with episodes centered on true crime, the paranormal activity, and has received over 80 million downloads since they launched just a few years back. Pretty impressive. I I absolutely loved talking about those stuff and couldn't wait to learn more about how they got into the world of podcasting, what kind of stories they talk about. M has some crazy-ass stories on ghosts and aliens and certain things.

You're not going to want to miss it. They definitely told me a few scary stories, some good confessions. It was an all-around really fun podcast and I made two new friends. So I hope you enjoy this podcast with M and Christine. Hi. Hello. Hi, how are you doing? Good. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much for having us. Of course. Thank you for being on. And I'm excited to talk to you both. What are we drinking? Oh, I know of the group. Emma actually doesn't drink alcohol. So I'm the lush for both of us. I usually, I indulge in milkshakes usually and I actually have a postmates order on the way. So in time. That is amazing. I'm just, I really went for it today. I just went for whiskey.

Oh. I just moved to Kentucky and I'm like, I need to get into bourbon or something and like dive right in. Do you like bourbon at all? Are you just like strictly wine? I'm not like a, I'm more of a clear liquor gal. So I need to like really, you know, man up and get started. Nasty on dark liquor?

Um, I guess puking. So yeah, maybe a little nasty. I couldn't get into bourbon then because that's not a good combo. I don't get that way with whiskey, but vodka and everyone that listens to this podcast knows this about me that I am like an Uber bitch on vodka. Oh, no. I'm just a terrible human. I don't know like what it is, but it's every time I drink it, which hasn't been a long time

because I've finally learned after like however many years, it just makes me so mean. And I'm just not like, I don't know. I'm like, it makes me all teary eyes, so I have to avoid that also. I will tell you, Christine is very fun with red wine, though, boxed wine specifically. The cheap stuff, right? The two buck chuck really gets her going. That's true. It's funny that whiskey or like brown alcohol would make you sick, but two buck chuck is like your jam.

Oh, yeah. And I can like tequila vodka all fine, but something about whiskey, I think just bad memories. it's my jam too by like a contact high of like I get to just enjoy what's happening in front of me so I just get to remember it all and then remind her later what's happening right you get like the second hand drunkness without feeling the repercussions I have plenty to share so yeah I just I just take from her energy yeah oh my gosh I love that you have a milkshake on the way what's your go-to milk shake uh right now well for a long time mint chocolate chip was my go-to um and then I went to like a just plain chocolate kick,

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Visit geico.com to learn more. So how did you two meet? Oh, boy. Christine's looking at me because I'm the one that always answers this question. It's a love story for the ages and I like when M serenades me with it. Uh-huh, yeah. So Christine and I met in grad school. We went to Boston University together and we were studying television production at the time.

and our final semester in grad school had us move out to Los Angeles so we could do internships and, you know, in theory, network and build connections out here. And a lot of people either stayed out in L.A. to continue those connections or they just moved back to Boston or wherever they lived before grad school. And Christine and I, after we graduated, were feasibly the only two people left in L.A. from our program, and we didn't run in the same circles back when we lived in Boston. We just, you know, no bad blood or anything, we were just in two different groups. And when we moved out here, I was alone and she was alone, and we were like, I guess we got to

make it work just for the sake of having a friend. And the first time we hung out, we started talking about true crime and ghosts, and we clicked very quickly. And we were also on a tractor because we were at a harvest fair. So that kind of added to the whole romance of it. For painting that picture, that really changes the flannel. Yeah, I think you know the accent. We were in a pumpkin patch and a farmer was driving us around on a tractor.

It was a very spur of the moment thing where I planned on going by myself. And I was like, I should ask, you know, just maybe this could be the beginning of something wonderful. And it was. And when we got on the tractor, we were kind of stuck and we had to talk. And so really awkward. We realized that we had, you know, true crime and ghosts. in a in comment and we hadn't followed each other on social media yet so we I was looking through Christine's Twitter and I was like oh you're really funny like we should actually really make this

friendship last and uh yeah and that's on that same ride Christine we were trying to figure figure out what else we had in comment and Christine said do you like podcast and I said what's a podcast um and so she gave me a couple to try out and within a few months I was like we should just start our own. Yes. And it's, you guys are just killing it. Like you're the podcast is so well. And you've had over like 80 million downloads on on your shows over the years, which is just so incredible. So at what point were you like, okay, we're doing the podcasting? I think so many people and I know so many listeners, you know, they're like at a job they don't like or they're working hard towards something that they're like, why am I doing this if I'm not passionate about it? And

clearly you two are both passionate about podcasts and true crime and all that. So what, made you, one, decide to just go after what you're passionate about. And two, like, at what point did you realize this can be a job now for you instead of other things that you're probably finding on doing? Yeah. I mean, I think we were both in a similar boat of like the entry level entertainment industry of like making zero dollars an hour and like barely being able to pay rent. And we decided to do this show. And I think I'm and I are both the kind of people who are like, if we're going to do something, we're going to do it like right or like 100%. Right. And So we basically put all our savings into our audio equipment.

We just said, okay, well, you know, just throw it out there, see what happens. If we even make our money back, we'll be thrilled. And I think we always looked at it more as like a fun hobby or like a post work, wind down, like I would drink and we would gossip and we would talk. And it was just like a fun thing. And I think that's part of the reason it kind of worked is that we weren't looking at it to be a financial, I mean, by no means were we looking at it to be a financial success or, you know, a business eventually.

And I think that actually kind of helps because we went into it just for fun rather than like. How did you like, how did you get it out there for that many people to start listening? Was it just word of mouth? That was all Christine. I was. I became, oh my God. He's going to be very modest about it. And so like it's my job as the best friend and co-host to let you know that if it weren't for Christine, the show would have not taken off the way that it did.

So I had a day job and at the time Christine did it. So it just made the most sense. Well, I did, but I didn't really take it very seriously. So I kind of just didn't. I sat at a desk with my computer turned away from the rest of the office and did what I wanted. And she learned everything. She learned as much as she could about audio and what people are looking for when the best times the post are. I mean, that's just a very, those are just a couple bullets of everything.

Well, thank you. And that's very sweet. Obviously, this is a two-person operation. So you're equally important. But, yeah, no, it was in the beginning. I had this, like, drive to be on Twitter and be, I, like, went and found the shows that were successful in the true crime space. And I was, like, seeing how they were promoting.

And I was making, like, direct message responses on Twitter to every person who followed us. And I remember the day that somebody followed us who I was like, M, who is this? Like, is this a cousin or an, and I was like, I don't know that person. And I was like, I don't know this person. And they were like, I love your show. And I, like, screen. I still have the screenshot, and I was like, this is the best day. One person listens on the show.

Right. And it worked eventually. I mean, I just love these stories where you're just doing something you love. You put it out there and having those small wins, the small. Right. Those are the best ones. Yeah. Because I think also having that kind of positive attitude will get you somewhere too.

Like just, you know, you're doing something that you truly enjoy. And if you're like, you know, if you're reaching. a few people that love it you're probably like okay great it's so fulfilling yeah you're like oh somebody wants to engage on this I mean I had one tab open that was like Twitter analytics and I had one that was like Jeffrey Dahmer and then like probably not not one for work but you know I tried but yeah we were both pretty pretty gung ho about it yeah we we our main goal was like if our moms listen to it that's it that's all we care about like just at least someone outside of the two of us I don't know if my mom ever did but you know it's okay no both of our both of our both of our

our moms thought it was like a blog or something they were really confused they're like i can't see you anywhere right right yeah that's i mean if you didn't really know what a podcast was right that's true right that our parents are probably like what the heck is that that's like like you know when ticto first came oh god yeah the hell is it took a long time for me to figure that one out it's how embarrassing because it's actually once you do it like a couple of times like okay i get it It's a simple premise, right. It's very, and it's also the most addictive thing in the world now that I've, now that I've learned what it is, I kind of wish I never opened that door.

Right. It's one of those suckles. It genuinely is. There's so much, but it actually makes me happy, though, which is a cool thing about a social media app. I never scroll and, like, feel like, oh, I shouldn't have scrolled, even if it's like hours later, because I'm like, there's some really educational shit out there. I follow so many funny accounts that I find myself like belly laughing. I like laugh, like real laugh, which is rare for social media.

Quality content every time. Yes, it's like, and like really funny, relatable things that you're like, why didn't I think of that? It happens to me every day. Like, it's so good. And then meanwhile, you're on Twitter and you're like, why am I looking at, like, this is just hurting my soul. I'm just sad and bad. I shouldn't call TikTok the suckhole because there is the freaking suckhole. It was the OG suckhole for sure.

OG suckle for sure. That's hilarious. I keep looking at myself in my little camera screen and I'm like, I look like I should be like, is that a puppy? Did you reveal the dog when you did that? Wait a minute. Okay, Pino's, Pino, I actually have a funny story about Pino, which can be part of my confession because you'll understand why in a second.

But Pino, okay. So my boyfriend was going to a golf, not tournament, he just did like a sponsored brand deal with this golf course, which is so cool. Ooh, very swanky. I know. Very swanky, but I found it highly suspicious that it was in the prime three days of my PMSing. Uh-huh. Also, like, kind of smart, because I'm very smart. And he needs to space.

But anyways, he was leaving and he was like, um, I'm going to leave really early in the morning, so let's go to bed early. I'm like, okay, so we go to bed and at 2.30 in the morning, he's like wide awake and he's like, I'm just going to start my nine hour drive right now. Like, I'm wide awake. I might as well get going. We have a tea time at like 2.30 in the afternoon, blah, blah. I'm like, okay. So he leaves, and I'm awake at this point being like, damn, I didn't want to wake up in the middle of the night, but whatever. So I went to go to the bathroom. I peed, and I know this for a fact. I never, I never wake up in the middle. night to pee because I am such a freak that I don't like water and so I never have to pee. Oh. Oh, I got

sure. Yeah. Anyway, so I went to go to the bathroom, came back to bed and I ended up just like keeping my eyes closed to like, you know what you do that when you have to go to the bathroom in the middle night, but you don't want to get up. So you kind of keep your eyes closed. Yes. You try to remember how tired you are. Yeah. You're like, keep them heavy. Yeah. So I was closing my eyes and I came back to bed and I actually fell like asleep the second my head hit the pillow okay so this was at like whatever between two 30 and three I woke up at seven to get up and start my day and I don't know if if anyone experiences this like any listeners or either one of you but I get the worst night sweats like oh yeah oh yes to at certain times of the month like I will be so keen and I'm like

what the hell is going on so I woke up and I'm like dang I am sweat and I'm like soaking wet from like the way oh no what did you do this is a freaking mystery because I I sat up and I was like that's not sweat it smells like oh no no I and I still to this moment I'm like as a 35 year old woman I'd like to think I didn't wet the bed I also woke up in the middle of the night to pee maybe you broke the seal and And you just kept having to be. That's a fair argument. Or what if you dreamt it?

What if your brain was like, oh, I'm going to the bathroom and you like dreamt it. Before and I always wake up and go. Oh. Like I've never, I've never peed the bed except for like one time and when I was like, I mean, either when I was really little or one time when I was 20 and it was a really embarrassing story. But like I wasn't drunk. I wasn't home.

Oh, no. But I still don't know because I'm like the next day. I'm like, wait. It kind of smells like dog pee. Oh. Revealing. Like that Jason's like, stop trying to blame the dog pee. And I'm like, I don't know. It smells like dog pee. So I like tried to clean out the mattress with like vinegar and baking soda and dish soap and all these things that kept smelling like dog pee. I think I finally got it out. But it neither way it doesn't make sense. If it was Pino, it doesn't make sense because he's potty trained and he's never just like. Right. That's true. I don't know. His name's got P in it. That's true. In the morning I said, you.

put the pee and pinot. And then me, I'm like, there's no way, I don't, I wouldn't just wet the bed. Like, so it's still a mystery. That is a mystery. What's what the dog? Let's blame on the dog. That's what pets are good for. Just like, put the blame on them.

I mean, Jason always blames his tooth on one of the dogs. Blame this on the dog. Why not? They can't talk back. Yeah, exactly. No judgment at all. Like, that's the, the dog is there to be loyal the whole time. I do love that we just like readily assumed that you had just peed the bed without even

thinking about the dog we were like oh this we set up the story by speaking of that that's true you guys read the bed okay fair we've all done embarrassing things that is nowhere near the worst so i don't feel ashamed at all although you did say it publicly on your own show so i guess there is no shame already no shame just just confusion no confusion it's a mystery yeah yeah i think it will be i don't know if we'll ever get the answers to that one it's a it's a true mystery you Solved mystery. Call Netflix. I should probably do an episode on it.

Maybe it was like a ghost that came and peed in my bed. That's how M blames everything on ghosts. Every, literally everything. If you told me it was a ghost, I would have been like, absolutely, of course. All right. Let's take a little break to talk about one of my favorite go-to places to do some shopping. And I'm talking about Express. Express is all new and all about you with a fresh new assortment of styles that you'll

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And it worked way too well. That's cool. And so I had some really... interesting ones, like really sweet, warm ones. But I've also had some, I guess maybe they're creepy in hindsight, but at the time I was just kind of blown away. So my favorite one to tell is that we used to investigate this one house that we had gone so many times that there was a little boy and a little girl that always showed up. They always were willing to talk to us and interact with equipment. And we think that the boy was around 14 and the girl was 12. And they weren't

siblings, but they were close enough that they felt like they were siblings. And the 14-year-old girl, she had died back in the 16 or 1700s. And so the building that we were investigating that these spirits were in had at this point turned into a restaurant. So it was just kind of a haunted space that after the restaurant would close, they would let us come in and investigate. And many times we got this little girl saying that she likes to swipe her finger through the batter in the restaurant whenever the chefs are cooking. So she likes to eat all the food there, which really freaked me out in the middle of the night when I was just thinking about it too hard. And I was like, things I've eaten have been licked by ghosts. But you're like, can ghosts

have coronavirus? Right. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. it. And so we described, we were trying to describe food to her that maybe could get a rise out of her and we found out that she really like cookies. So we had one person on the team investigating that night describing cookies in very like author style detail where everyone was very hungry for cookies by the end. But all of a sudden you heard this little girl in the back giggle and there were no little girls there that night. You just heard her giggle and then heard two little feet running across the room. No, thank you.

And then you saw the table shift as if she ran through the table. And then you saw the door move as if something had ran through the door. And then you heard little steps running down towards the kitchen and laughing. Oh, gosh. Ew. So it's like, it's like he, like, got her in the mood for cookies. And now she's, like, on her way to the kitchen to go, eat them. I don't really know what happened there, but she knew where to find cookies if there were any.

So she went straight there. gosh wait you heard you heard all that oh it felt like it was like five minutes long because she giggled the whole time she ran through the table through the door and down the stairs so oh that gives me like like the heavee jeeps like oh my gosh that's so wild what a cool job it was very cool i was lucky that i didn't have too many super scary experiences the ones that i had um were more in my personal life outside of work just because I've kind of felt things forever. But that was really more like just feeling things staring at me or kind of wanting me out of the room. Yeah. But as for hearing things, like hearing a little girl laughing and humming was just not what I wanted. That's the

funny thing too is, like MC's and hears these things and like works in this field and then is like the most scared, like more scared than anyone I know of the exact things that happened. So it's a weird dichotomy. I just walk right into the fire. Yeah. that's so crazy i mean there's nothing creepier than a little girl laugh of like a ghost for sure like a trope right out of a movie of like the little girl like singing a lullaby or something right like yeah that's what it sounded like going down the stairs that's what it sounded like and little giggles lordy lord that's crazy oh my gosh grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with budmgm casino check out our hottest

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Therapy. Now back to Off the Vine Grape Therapy. So that's what you both talk about on the podcast, true crime and ghost stories and all that. So that must be hard to keep up with content. Is it or is it either? Oh, I guess I'll take one. Well, so we do sprinkle our own stories into it when they happen.

But we pick like an actual. And we'll cover like a haunted hotel or like an actual verified sounds like the wrong word for a paranormal story but like a story that's been reported on yes exactly and like tries to find a story of like amityville or you know a haunted doll or those are some of the popular ones and then we don't tell each other what story we're covering that week and then i am the true crime half and so after em goes i'll tell you know a story of a unselfed mystery or a mysterious wedding of the bed incident or a serial killer or whatever might be happening but please solve this mystery i might i might it's in my head now i mean i think you have to this is so sick i think you'd have to like smell the urine

to really decide it was human or dog that's a very forensic files like they should get forensic files that test that dna test that or something i should i somehow have a urine fun fact now that you've mentioned smelling pee oh great a new segment on the bus yeah you're in you're in trouble you're in trouble you're in trouble You're in trouble, you're in trouble like you've never been in trouble before. There it is. So apparently the smell from pools of chlorine, I learned this from TikTok, by the way, apparently the smell of chlorine, chlorine actually doesn't have a smell. It is the smell of people's pee mixing with the ammonia and the pee mixing with chlorine,

and that's the smell of pools. So anytime you've smelled a pool, you're smelling pee, which is interesting because it's a lot of people's favorite smell. I was going to say that's very unfortunate because it's the nostalgic smell. It is. It takes me back to my childhood and like when I used to always go to the indoor pool every Friday night. Oh, yeah. Oh, dang. You'd be like, oh, I smell like chlorine.

And then I'm not going to shower because I smell like chlorine. My hair smells like. It used to put me to sleep. I'd be like, it was like a comforting smell. Now I'm here to ruin your day. Now you're sleeping an actual pee. So maybe just pour some chlorine on it. Yeah.

And I'll just make my own chlorine smell. That's so unfortunate. There has been some like things on TikTok that have ruined my childhood for me. Or like I saw some on TikTok about, I don't know if you, you saw this, but what's his name? Epstein, that his, the SpongeBob Square Pants address on SpongeBob's license, if you Google that address. It's Epstein's Island. What? Yes. Oh, no. I literally worked at Nickelodeon. So you're ruining this part, this TikTokers ruining childhood and my TV job. I deserved that after the chlorine thing. So I can't be upset. I'm the only one not ruining everyone's day,

I guess. I know. I'm like, I'm trying to be the positive ray of sunshine. here you know what there's always got to be one I get a gang it's not usually me so I'll take it I'll take the badge of honor today you also have to tell me I mean I obviously love ghost stories but you have to tell me a confession yes I did prepare for this and I had to call my mother and she was like wow I have so many and I was like I don't love that that you have a million examples give the people what they want they want confessions did you prepare one M I did. I wanted to see what you did first. Oh, great. Okay. Well, I guess the one that I never really, this is really like one that I'm sweating already. Um, one that I know. I sweat a lot, but I'm really sweating now. Um, or pee. A lot of bodily issues we're having today. Um, so I never really revealed this. And I think the statute of limitations has expired on this one. Um, so I went to Catholic school for like my whole upbringing from like age three to 18.

boy oh boy was out its own horror story but in high school we had this like priest who every Wednesday we had to go to mass and like he was just the school priest and he for whatever reason like he had these bobbleheads made or somebody had bobbleheads of him made and I just decided one day that I wanted one and so my friend and I like broke into the we broke into the priest's office and like stole an entire box of these priests. greased bobbleheads. I don't know why we thought this was a good idea. And we just like took the whole thing. And then it became a huge thing where over the PA system, they were like everyone needs to meet in assembly. Like someone has stolen. Like a scandal. A bother that scandal. Yes. Like all these

they were, you know, really important to him and whatever. And so then of course I got really guilty about it because I'm Catholic. And so then. Right. Let's not glaze over that. Like. I just really wanted them. So I've like, God, all guilty. Can I pause you for a second? Yeah. Why did you really want a bunch of bobbleheads of it? I'm glad you asked.

That's its own confession, I guess. I don't know. I have a problem. What were the bobbleheads? Were the other priests? Or were they? No, they were a priest-themed? They were of him.

Of himself. Why did he have all these? And why was it so important to have a box of himself? And why don't I have. one of my own also at the same time. Yeah. Okay. So.

All of your questions. The Catholic Church is really troubled. And so there are a lot of things that I can't explain. And that's the answer to all of the above. But I was like, I felt really guilty, obviously. And so then my friend and I were like, well, we have to put them back. But I was like, we went through all this trouble. So then I just like grabbed a few and stuck them in my backpack.

And then I snuck back into his office and like stuck them under a shelf. and I turned around and he was literally standing in the doorway and I was like why did I not think this would happen like he was obviously going to figure this out and he stood there and he said something I mean I've blacked it out because I was so terrified but he said something like the Lord forgives you child or some creepy priest shit and I piece out and I still have that bobblehead it's in my childhood bedroom now I still have one of them that I kept anyway it's probably cursed I've probably cursed myself for the rest of time there's something about I'm getting weird vibes from this bobblehead and it's of his face it's so creepy I don't know I don't know if someone made them for him and I like I truly don't know but I decided I needed it I needed to have it I don't know I like didn't think he would catch on when like your pockets were probably like chattering with the bobbler his face was just like sticking out of parts of my backpack he saw himself in your like in your jacket pocket and he was like I'm going to follow that lead we had um we had um

had like uniforms. And so I had like my little skirt and my blouse and my like little sweatshirt. I had some of them in the hood of the hoodie. It was very traumatic. It was really bad. All right. Let's take a moment to talk about the fact that modern life has made it seem as if living in a constant state of stress, anxiety, exhaustion, that they make us think it's normal. You can say that again. People believe that this is what life requires constant stress, but it's not true. And it's not the way we should live. It's time to do. defend our wellness, Heelis Naturals is a new 100% natural, vegan, and clean ingredient CBD-based brand that truly, truly works. One thing that makes Heelis different from the other CBD brands

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We should have covered that first. Yeah, it's on the podcast, I use it as an excuse all the time. The English isn't my first language, but it's really just a bullshit excuse. But yeah, so I didn't speak, it didn't, I did speak English, but nobody knew that. And so I was like, I'm got to hold this up as long as I can. And then in first or second grade, we were in the cafeteria and they tried to hand me my lunch. And I said, I don't like green beans.

Thank you. And I handed them back. And they all looked at me and went, and they like ran me to the principal's office and called my mom like she speaks and my mom was like well yeah they were like she hasn't spoken in four years that she's been here and my mom was like and i remember being like mom i ruined my own over green beans i ruined my own anyway so it was a lot easier for me to pull pranks and i was little because i could just pretend i had no idea what was going on but at you know age 15 i couldn't the bobblehead thing i got caught for that party trick you just don't last it doesn't last

anymore people don't take it anymore as next i mean you wouldn't have the career you have if you That's so crazy. Where in Germany did you live? So my parents moved over here to like the U.S. right before I was born. So I was actually born in Cincinnati, Ohio. And they just decided like, we don't need to speak English. She'll figure it out eventually. And then like, I guess through a lot of series of trauma, I did eventually figure out how to speak. But yeah, so it took a while.

Anyway, sorry, I'm sweating so much. And why don't you take over? It's a real pivotal moment in your life. I still hate them. I still hate him. Well, also just so you know, like, this is probably why people enjoy our podcast, because when we first started the show, we only knew each other as friends for like a month or two. So one of the big, uh, pivotal schicks in our show is that people got to listen to us become friends. And I got to learn all this weird shit on the podcast. I found out Em had graduated from clown college on the podcast. And everyone else got to find out with me. And I was like,

this is quite an experience we're all having together. I know somebody who graduated from Clown College too. Hey, do you know each other? Maybe. Us clowns, we all keep in touch. We're in a group chat. That's incredible. Wow.

What is that experience like? When was that? I was, so I graduated on my 14th birthday. I was the youngest licensed clown on the East Coast at the time, which was like quite a bragging like move for me. I could just tell everyone and nobody cared, but I like to feel really proud about it. Yeah. I care. So the girl, what was her name? Brin Glover. Brin Glover. I don't know Brin Glover. I know Stephen Glover, aka Stevo, also went to clown college. What? How do you all know these people who went to clown college? It's amazing. It's incredible.

It was my ex-boyfriend's sister. Oh, really? Yeah. His whole family was very um like they each had such unique paths that they were on like his other sister was um like on tour with selen dion and like with one of her backup dancers and casual yeah okay yeah he had a twin who was like a philosopher and his other sister went to clown clown college and he was um he had meningitis twice and lost his hearing but had like a cochlear implant and was a incredible incredible dancer and like like the most unique paths of life. Thanksgiving dinner must have been a blast. I know.

Yeah, just fascinating. You had to just want to know every single person's updates of like, so how's clown college and then also how's like dancing and a Celine, I know. It was incredible. It was such a unique, just very like really cool family. But yeah, oh, that's, okay, clown college. No, I didn't think I'd meet anyone else.

I guess I threw your confession out, but is that a different, you have a different one, I assume. Oh, I mean, that is something that I unfortunately have to confess often, but I was actually, to be fair, when I told Christine, I forgot in the moment that we were in the middle of recording a podcast, I thought that would like go in the vault of friendship and I just like spoke it into the airwaves. But no, so the thing that I'm going to confess is something that I don't know if I told you yet, Christine. But so during quarantine, I have gotten really into, I have a virtual reality set. And I have been playing a bunch of different games on there. And there's one that is a workout app, essentially. And I live with two other people. One is my girlfriend. One is my best friend. And both

of them are, we all vary in levels of athleticism, where I sleep like 20 hours a day. And like, and then my girlfriend is kind of like the average amount of working out like does yoga and like calls it a day and then our roommate uh is literally training for the olympics like literally like a swimmer olympics yeah so we're very we are all over the board yeah um but the two of them have been doing yoga every day and then he works out yeah oh my god just we're just like them except he's Celine Dion of the house apparently. And so I was like, okay, well, they're both doing yoga every morning and working out in the afternoon. Now I feel like I should probably like pretend like I'm getting my life together. So I'll work out using VR. And there was this one app where it was basically the adult version of

Dance, Dance Revolution. But like you have to do a lot of squats and things like that. And before you even start the program, there's a little training intro section. And I was like, oh, I can do this. I've seen the video of it enough, like, this is going to be fine. Oh, no. Like, maybe five seconds in, I squat and I, like, not only tear my shorts, but I also, like, whatever the muscle is behind my knee, I, like, definitely, like, pulled something, and I couldn't walk for the rest of the day. And then it was fine. I got, I was fine, like, a day later. And I was like, okay, that was embarrassing, but I'm going to get back into it and, like, we're going to try this again. Uh, and then I, so I started up, I got through the training, and on the, like, level one, I was like,

okay, this is fine. Like, haven't torn anything yet. We're going to be okay. Bend down, ripped more shorts, like a whole other set of shorts. Jesus. And then the other knee, that thing happened. So then I was like, I give up. And I just, I just turned off my VR set, and I let the Olympian do his thing.

And I went to, I didn't get back on the horse and try again. after and you're like, you know what? If it happens again, I'm done. Uh-huh. Yeah, I cleanse my hands from this. Like two knees. You only have two of them. I only got two. I'm out for the count. Oh my God. I just had to imagine that you had the VR thing so you can't see anything. And RJ, the Olympian is just like watching you like, it's gone from a from a third person, I definitely looked like there was no reason to be like whining in pain. But I like had this weird mask on my face. And another person would probably just see me go like, oh. And then and then, and then I was like, I give up, so.

Oh, that's a good job. Good job. Yeah. So that was the most athletic I've been all quarantine, happily. And it just goes to show that you shouldn't have done it. That's exactly right. This is why I sleep. It wasn't in the stars.

Yeah. Just trying to FaceTime me. I'm podcasting. And now I lost two. I can't see you guys. Oh, no. Stand by. Don't worry.

We're not doing anything exciting. Jason, really. this is so funny usually it's my niece um we'd actually can't find you oh no just follow our voices oh yeah over here like my niece without fail will FaceTime me like every podcast so I sent her a text before and I was like I'm just about to start a podcast that's smart Jason that FaceTime's me M's mom used to face our call us every time we recorded and then I would answer and and Linda M's mom would go oh put me on i want to be on the podcast we were like okay it's like she knew it's like she called just so then she would be on the show so i think my mom does that sometimes too she i she used

to do that i really truly believe that that's hilarious we'll be right back with more off the line great therapy hi guys i'm max de bro and i'm so excited to be hosting a new podcast called i'll give age-ish. Some things you can look forward to hearing on the show are conversations about coming out as by, the LGBTQ plus community, and growing up in the age of technology. You'll also get to know my whole life story and all the drama, don't worry, including growing up on the real house vibes and having to deal with severe social anxiety on the daily. Make sure you subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podcast One, or anywhere else you listen to your podcasts. You're listening to Off the Vine Race Therapy.

Okay, I have a game for us to play. Oh, yay. Why do we do this every time? I'm like, it's a game, and then people get all excited. I'm like, it's just rapid fire questions. Oh, I love it. Okay. One of them I had was, what's your favorite milk shake flavor?

We already established chocolate chip, right? Yes, yes. Okay. and then a favorite wine for you? Snoop Dog's 19 crimes blend. That's Snoop Dog's wine? This one's not, but my, the Snoop Dog just came out with a collaboration with 19 crimes, like the wine brand, and it is excellent.

It's like just like a California red blend. It's, I will sing his praises for the rest of my life. It's so good. I just heard this because I'm in the wine biz and I just heard that he had something, but I didn't know it was a partnership with 19 crimes. That's the one where you can like, download the app and it will tell you a story yes and on every cork it has like a like a crime like a reason somebody was shipped off to australia back in the day for a crime they could like a weird crime they committed and on the snoop one there's just pictures of snoop's face on it so i kept the court is snoop tell the story and if you like i didn't even test that oh yeah i got it i know that was done that would have been the first thing on the docket for me guess i got to buy more that would be the only reason i would buy that is to hear snoo this like to be honest that probably is what happens, right?

Maybe he wraps his story. Oh, that'd be fun. It was so genius this branding because I actually, and I'm not usually picky about wine. I actually don't love 19 crimes wine. Oh, no. Which is so weird because I'm really not picky, but for some reason I didn't enjoy it,

but is this like a different like blend altogether? Yes, like it's a completely different one. So I have only ever like had two of their wines. I like the dark red blend. And then I forget what's the other one. like I don't know maybe they're cab but um the the he has like a california red blend it's like his own it's it's very good like it's probably my favorite one out of all of them so it's worth trying just in case i've heard i've heard christine talk about it every day for easily three weeks

it's a problem it is a problem get you some spade and sparrows on my wine and then maybe i i would love that yes i got a i got i i will also sing it's pretty as long as you're on the cork or something i'll sing i just had a meeting was it today Yeah, today. Wait, what is today? Thursday? Thursday. Thursday. I have a wine meeting every Thursday at 11.30 in the morning. We go over stuff and that is something we're talking about is making unique course. I love that. That's so fun. Yeah. So there you go. All right. Let's take a quick break. I got to say when I first heard peanut butter whiskey,

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Please drink responsibly, alcohol volume 70 proof. Okay. favorite episode that you both have done? Well, I really like our haunted doll episodes just because they get the most response, although they are the only episodes I've had to cover where I did a content warning because the dolls are apparently so cursed that if you mention their names or if you look at a picture of them directly in the eyes, something bad will happen to you. And we've gotten a lot of emails of people after they listen to the episode where I say the name,

Car crashes. Car crashes. Stop it. Seizures. That's M's favorite, by the way. So, I mean, it's... Oh, my gosh. It's the most... They don't actually possess dolls.

Oh, yeah. There's many... Very. Many, but there's two specifically that are the ones that have needed warnings. We're not going to say the names, though, because that apparently ends really badly for everybody. Right. And any... Gosh.

When we have mentioned them on episodes or even in... while we're in the middle just recording our own show, the people that we work with and, you know, who edit our show have said that like the footage goes away. They can't find any audio. Stop it. Yeah. Okay. This is really creepy. I know this is worth the worst at rapid fire questions. We're literally doing the opposite. So I apologize. But this is worth, so recently we did an episode and N like mentioned one of these dolls. We like, I'm already covered it in a past episode, but mentioned it like in passing and we talked about it briefly. And then we went about our day and then we got a like the producer like talked to us later something and

was like hey it was really weird like I couldn't get like I didn't realize it until I heard you talking about the doll in the episode causing technical difficulties but like while I was trying to get the audio downloaded like it kept disappearing and stuff and we were like that's weird and he's like that's never happened before and then he goes the creepiest part is on Google Drive it like shows of your activity. He's like, so I went through the activity and it said like his name, his account went in and had deleted all of the files. And he's like, but I, that time was recording with another like show. I was in, I wasn't even at the computer. I was recording another show at that time. And he went back through the log and it was like, no, Dustin deleted these files at 103 p.m. And he was like,

I don't know who did that, but it wasn't me. So anyway, apparently creepy stuff happens. Yeah. Just like, I mean, maybe. Oh, I'm like I want to know that I never buy this doll so like how do I well both of both of them so one of them is uh I would say he's owned by someone although the person who owns this doll has said that he's his caretaker because he's had some pretty interesting experiences when he considered him the owner so it's almost like the doll has been like no no this is like a partnership like you don't own me and then there's been another doll who Zach Began's now owns and keeps at his Haunts a museum in Las Vegas.

He has like that ghost adventure show. So he collects all these things. And we've been the one that of the two, there's one that's particularly horrible. And Christine and I have actually been in the room for my bachelor at party. I was in charge of the bachelor's party. I made us go into the room and they closed the door behind us and we look the doll on the eyes and talk to it. And did anything happen?

Well, my car broke down that trip. So I guess, kind of, yeah, M, I guess maybe that is your fault. What the hell? Oh, my gosh. Anyway, least rapid fire of a response ever, so I apologize. That's okay because that's, I mean, these are things I want to hear. Rapid fire always leads to a good story. That's why I hear.

It can be like a slow burn. Right, right. Slow burn, yes. Slow burn instead of rapid fire. Okay, story that has had the longest effect on you. Hmm. That's a great question. Thanks.

That is a great question. Wow, I've never been asked that before. Yes. I think, oh, God. Do you have one? I mean, the Black-Ead Kids episode that M did a while back about the story of the Black-Eyed kids, it's like an urban legend that people have experienced where they'll hear knock on the door and there'll be a kid with no pupils who's dressed kind of funny, who, like, wants to come into your house.

And if you invite them, it's just like really, really, really. spooky. I mean, I'm not one. I have high anxiety. I'm not one to answer my door anyway, unless I know who's coming over, but like, especially as the true crime half. But after a hearing that, I literally don't think I've ever answered the door since. Yeah. The black eyed kids are, they've been described as like aliens trying to be human. So they don't like replicate behavior, but it's like off. They don't really know what they're doing. So it's like kind of not entirely right. So like people have said they've seen black eyed kids show up at their door asking to borrow their telegram. or like if they like one person saw someone eating an apple with ketchup on it like it just like said

oh I want ketchup for my apple and they were like what do you mean and he's like well I eat apples with ketchup and they were like what like trying to get human behavior and it's not entirely correct that is be suspicious um I'm so into this stuff too but like I just had a medium that I did a podcast before and he said like aliens are like on their way in fully i believe that i believe they're like around they know what the f*** we're doing and they're probably not about it probably not oh my gosh so okay let's just say a black-eyed kid shows up at my door yeah do i just be kind and welcoming or am i like get the f*** out you just have to shut the door yeah they're sinister

they're not good like it's yeah apparently they bring people like a lot of illness people will die like within like a month of interacting with that. Basically the idea is that they're, yeah, that you need to invite them in and they will like pressure and basically there are people who say like, oh, well, they came and I said, oh, let me call your parents or something. And they're like, no, we need to come in and use the phone. And they're like, well, I'll bring you can use like, I'll bring the phone out. And they're like, no, we need to come in. So apparently just like, don't know, ring camera footage. Yes, that's true. Maybe if we have a ring, it won't happen.

That will solve the entire crisis. Yeah. Yeah, now I feel better. Yeah, because I have that and I'm like, okay, like I'm just, I'm going to check the camera every time and I'll just look at their eyes, make sure they have eyes. Yeah, yep, yep. I'm not even going to trust kids now, like at Halloween when I'm done into candy. Throw it out the window. I'll do.

I'm going to be like, get out of here, kids. How dare you? If a kid shows up with an apple and ketchup, just don't even open the door. They're gone. No, no. That's crazy. um okay biggest guilty pleasure besides wine and milk chicks i know ends what's mine your christian stories oh i love my christian stories okay so so yeah that what if i just ended it there

but goodbye so i'm obsessed with uh any of like the like the fundamentalist christian families that have a docu-series. So, like, the Duggers, the Bates, the Welcome to Plathville. And then I also, there's actually a fiction story about a megachurch called Greenleaf, which I'm obsessed with. That's such a good show. But the fundies, the fundamentalist families that I watch, I'm obsessed with them. I know every single one of their names, middle names, birthdays, favorite Bible verses.

And like, it's just like to be clear. Like neither of us are religious in the slightest. so it's just the strangest like ems just deeply obsessed i'm just it's such a different life than what i live like they don't hold hands until they're engaged they're only allowed to do side hugs with like the opposite sex ever and like it's side hugs most awkward hugs of all time you're only allowed to give side hugs uh when you're saying hi and goodbye you can't hold hands until you're recording you have to wait until your first kiss for marriage for your wedding day me too i know we'd be screwed that's why obsessed. I'm like, how do you even have the time or how do you even have the patience? But then I'm

like, they'll get married by the time they're like on their 18th birthday because they're probably desperate to give kisses to someone. To give those regular hugs. In affection. Yeah. Right. Yes. So I'm just, I update Christine a lot on these family members. She knows nothing about. And I'm like, I just love it. I'm like, well, no, because I'm like, oh, they're not allowed to drink soda. But one of them had a Coca-Cola. And I'm like, tell me everything. That was a very fun episode where he had his first. sip of coke, and he, like, lost his mind. So... Oh, my gosh.

Anyway. That's my guilty pleasure. What's yours, Christy? I don't even know after that. I'm like, I don't know. I don't think I, I just like to listen to Ed and talk about their Christian stories. I'm sure... Your guilty pleasure is me talking about mine. While I, like, drink really shitty boxed wine, probably. Like, I think that that's probably, like, my ideal evening. That's hilarious. I'm, like, trying to think of what my guilty pleasure would be, but I think it's just like McDonald's and Gray's Anatomy, which is, yeah, but it's hard because

it's like, I feel like I'm not hiding anything. So it's like everyone kind of knows my shitty taste in like TV or music or whatever. So, like, tell me Graves is shitty TV. Okay. I take it all back. No, I take it all back. That and the Christian stories are prime, like, top level. Yes. And me deserving content. Yeah. That's the truth. Well, our, uh, both of my, both my roommates, my girlfriend and are the Olympian, if you will. They have wine Wednesdays and they just cry to graze anatomy, even though they've already seen every episode. An excellent show.

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when you use code off the Vine 10 checkout. Find exactly what you're looking for and more at Home Depot.com slash decor. Valid on select items only. Free delivery on select items $45. or more, visit Home Depot.com for more information. Where do you live? I live in Burbank. Is Burbank close to like? It's like a half hour, 40 minutes from there. Oh, no, I thought it was closer. I used to live like eight minutes from when I moved a month ago. So just missed you. I was in like Korea town, mid city, like right on the. But where are you right now?

Oh, I moved to Ohio, to Cincinnati back to my, we bought a house over here. I'm coming back to L.A. like every three or four weeks, so I feel like I'm still kind of living there, uh, sort of, but I was going to say, you're more than welcome, more than welcome. Anytime you're near Burbank. Well, M. and I actually got an apartment together because we just have to be, we're too Gemini's and we can't like contain it. Are you? What? Did we just become best friends? Yep. Well, this makes a whole, suddenly everything makes sense. Okay. I get it because we got this. I was like, I'm moving and we were like, So instead we should get an apartment together and be roommates when I come to town. So now we have like our own apartment that like when I'm visiting L.A.

I like live there. And so yeah, we'll do what we'll do a wine. We have a Ouija board. It'll be fun. Can we? Yeah. M doesn't want to, but I want to do it with you. Wine, Ouija board and Grey's Anatomy.

Wait, wee, wee, Wednesdays. Weja wine. Wait, we G, no, hold on. Weja Wednesdays. You're forgetting the wine. Okay, why don't we do Wednesdays? TAM, TAM, Tim, Tim, Tim. Nobody's still there.

Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited. I feel like, I mean, everyone that listens knows this already, but I'm going to be on dancing with the stars. So I'll be out that way for, like, hopefully, fingers crossed. Hell, yeah. Like, a couple months as long as I keep it. But you'll be so athletic. We'll just have to.

I'm training for the Olympics. Yeah. You can be friends with our, Jane. get everybody that listens to your podcast to vote so that I stay in L.A. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, absolutely. And then whether you do or don't, we will celebrate with Wine Wednesday. And Ouija Board.

Wait, do you not like Ouija boards? They only scare me just because of all the stories I've heard. And there is one time where I've seen a Ouija board catch on fire by itself. What? So. What are you talking about? I dropped that candle by accident. That wasn't me.

It could have been me. It might have been me. In college, I saw one ignite. And then I just, I don't know, I wasn't close to it. It really honestly could have been a candle. But it was enough for me where I was like, I'm not interested. Oh, well, I make M do it with me all the time. Yeah, so you're welcome to come over.

Oh, my gosh, I'm so intrigued by it. Because I'm like, how the hell can you buy a spirit in a box at Toys or Us? Is that weird? But it must be about, like, inviting the spirits in. I think it's the intention of it. Yeah. Yes. You come over and we'll ask them if you're going to win dancing with the stars, see what they say.

Why don't we ask how? We'll ask for like the secret. Yeah, what's the strategy? What's the real secret key? They're like, don't piss anyone off at ABC. And don't wet the bed publicly again for a little bit. Just like wait on that. Not the most relatable thing to America.

To us, yes. To the rest of the world, I'm not sure. We embrace you. We embrace you. our little triplet Gemini i'm so happy right now we all move in together and start a podcast yes come to our apartment a literal empty apartment come Ouija board with us it has one weeda board in it when's your birthday June 19 oh wow okay we're three and four third and fourth oh third okay well close enough close enough June's gonna be a wild month next year I always love

fellow Gemini's and I feel like other signs they're always like oh I I I like this with this sign and I'm always like I don't know I just know I get along with Gemini's because we're all a little crazy but we mesh very well it's like that weird twin energy that's what it is you you feel a little less crazy when you're surrounded by fellow Gemini yes our chaos is your chaos yeah we get it we get it company right we got it hey remember when we were playing rapid fire that's another Gemini problem I think Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I just turned off my, like, game at the room. I forget.

This is great. Anyways, I feel like we've covered everything. I'm so happy. This is such a cool podcast. I am, like, so obsessed with you. You're just like my kind of people. Oh, thank you. It's funny to know where they can find you.

This is your podcast. I'm sure they already know, but all of the things. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, first of all, before you do that, I just want to say I am a huge fan of yours, actually. And I didn't say that up front because I didn't want to be weird, but I am a huge fan. I'm trying to play a cool. anyway I want like but you're a Gemini got it but you're a Gemini now so I feel like I have to tell you anyway I am a huge fan so I did a little tiny bit of a fan girl at the beginning but I tried my best to play it's super cool um but yeah so we are uh you can find us anywhere you listen to podcast it's and that's why we drink um we're doing a virtual actually our whole tour was basically canceled rip because of COVID um but we're doing a virtual live show on the uh 22nd of August and

you can buy tickets at bit.ly slash, what is it, M. ATWWD live show or listener show. I don't know. Look at our website. It's all over. It's all over our social media and our bios and all that. It's fun. We're just going to read the scariest stories that listeners submit. So it'll be a fun, and all the proceeds are going to the Marshall P. Johnson Institute. And so, yeah, it'll be fun. And if you just want to check us out, we're just at ATWWD podcast. So hit us up. I, okay, I'm so dumb. I literally was like, we say it so fast. It's, it's really dumb. And that's why we drink. Yep. Now I get it. Sorry. We didn't have word vomit. ETP thing and I was like trying to. ATTP, backslash, backslash. Okay. Sorry, ATWWD. Yeah. Or just go to our website. And that's where we drink.com has everything on there. That's probably for the easiest way, I think. Okay. That's awesome. Well, thank you both so much for being on the podcast.

Thanks, Caleb. This is so fun. Wednesdays. I'm very excited. I'll bring the Ouija board. I'm excited. I'll bring the wine. You bring the Ouija board. And M, you bring the milkshakes.

I'll bring the charm. That's what I'll bring. Yes, you bring the charm. You got it. It's so nice meeting you both. And we will cap very soon. Sounds good. Thank you so much.

Bye. All right. We're ending this episode with a little sip, sip, hooray. So this week, I want to cheers to a man named Giuseppe Paterno. I'm hoping that's how you say it's Italian, who just graduated at the top of his class at his university in Italy. And you guys, he's 96 years old. So he officially became the oldest person in Italy to earn a college degree. And he gives all of us hope that if we have some,

something we want to do. We really should go and do it at any age. Hell yes. Drinking to that. Oh, that was my cheers. That was a little loud. Cheers, everybody. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy.

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