Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Clout Chasers & Trash Cans with Bad Beach Demi

Episode Date: September 16, 2021

The baddest beach of Paradise and future cartoon character, Demi Burnett, joins Kaitlyn to talk all things Bachelor in Paradise! There has definitely been a lot of human trash can behavior on our screens recently, so Kaitlyn and Demi break down what exactly went down this week between the couples of Paradise, especially Brendan and Piper. Demi opens up about what it’s been like to be on national TV since the age of 23, why she thinks your favorites are actually the fakest, and what she’s looking for in her next relationship. And, Demi’s confession gives us some behind-the-scenes insight of her time on Paradise that we never knew we needed #babyCarl. This episode wraps up with an incredible Pump Your Tires segment featuring Jenn, an Indigineous woman and owner of Cheekbone Beauty, an amazing brand that Kaitlyn recently realized she’s already been repping on our TV screens.You can find Demi on Instagram @demi_not_lovato and Cheekbone Beauty @cheekbonebeauty! GREEN CHEF - Go to GreenChef.com/vine100 and use code vine100 to get $100 off including free shipping RITUAL - Why not shake up your ritual with Essential Protein? Listeners get 10% off their first three months when they visit ritual.com/vine  GEICO - Go to Geico.com, get a q uote, and see how much YOU could save. It’s GEICO-easy!  OXICLEAN - Visit OxicleanCoupons.com right now, where a coupon is waiting for you. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Coupons.com right now where a coupon is waiting for you. Podcast One presents Off the Vine, Great Therapy. Caitlin Bristow's going to answer your question. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Now, you either love her or, I'm not going to say hate, or you dislike her because you either want her confidence levels or feel like she stirs up too much drama. But Demi, not Levato, joins me today to talk all things Bachelor in Paradise. Such a fun, hilarious combo. She's just, she's a trip.

We get into who she wanted to see on the beach, what surprising career move might be next for her, how she's evolved since her first. time on the show at the age of 23 and why sometimes she feels like a human trash can. Don't we all? And of course we get into the Brendan and Piper situation and what it's been like to watch it back on TV. Lots of thoughts here. Turns out there are actually a lot of good actors and actresses in The Bachelor World. We wrap up with some listener questions and a confession where we learn who the best kisser of the franchise is and find out about a character we didn't know existed. Okay, baby Carl. P.S., I apologize. I apologize in advance for my own personal confession today.

Okay? Okay, we're just really proven that. Hot girls have IBS on the pod. You know, at the end of the day, we're all just blobs of cells floating through space. Some of us with tummy troubles. You'll learn all about it on this podcast. Get into your too comfy, do apparel, and let's freaking go. How are you?

Good. How are you? Oh, I am good. I'm in my bedroom today because, My podcast room, I've been gone for two months and I came home and my podcast room is filled with like packages and boxes and things that I've got while I was gone. And I'm like, I opened the door and I was like, oh, shit. Okay, I guess I'm podcasting in my room today.

So that's- We both are bed-betches. Oh, look at us. Both bed bet betches. Oh, you're in your bed too. Okay, cool. This is like a little sleepover then. Oh, my God.

So cute. I love it. We are so cute. Oh, my gosh. I just cannot get enough of you. You just entertain everybody. and everybody wants more, and now you're gone, and I don't know what to do next week.

Ah, I know, it sucks. Somebody's got a hold at my end of it. I hope somebody can come through. Who do you think it is that can fill those shoes? Noah, if he ever gets any airtime? Really? Yeah, Noah's really funny. Oh, that's so funny.

Yeah, okay, I would like to see more Noah, but he seems to be just like the most chill and, well, seems to be like the quiet one. No, he's a total shit talker. He's so funny. Oh, that's amazing. Okay, we need to see more Noah. I wanted to know when you came in, because obviously, this was not your first rodeo.

When you came in, was there somebody that you were set on or you were like, I really hope they show up at the beach? Yeah, the only person really was, well, too, like, Ivan and Brendan. I was really excited about Brendan. Okay, yeah. We'll get into that because now no one is excited about Brendan, which is so funny. I heard a couple things like before he even went on. And I was like, I don't usually pay attention to, you know, if I hear something about a bachelor person, I'm like, oh my gosh, whatever. And this kind of like proved that it was, it was true, which we'll get into.

But I mean, everyone's sad that you left. But what is next for Demi? Because I feel like you were born to do reality television. Like what other show can you get on that? that will be as entertaining. Like, can you do another show? I mean, of course, I could always do another show. I honestly, I don't know what's next.

I guess we'll just have to see. I'm down to do whatever. You know, maybe I should just be like a voice character thing. You know, I feel like I could be like in a kids movie and play like a little cartoon character. That would be fun. And I feel like I could do that from my room. Wait, you should do that.

That's, okay, so right as soon as I came off, Bachelorette, my girlfriend was in like the industry of like sending people out for auditions and stuff and she used to send me scripts to just like throw out an audition for like voiceovers because it actually pays really well you should start doing voiceovers i would love to do that i think that would be really fun and then you know people won't make fun of my voice it'll just you know fit the role good they'll actually like love your voice like they will um what is the word i'm looking for i sadly woke up but like, I don't know what time. I was supposed to go to a, okay, this is my confession.

I was supposed to go to a dentist appointment this morning, and I woke up with, like, the most severe case of butt throw up I've ever had and, like, could not stay off the toilet and had to cancel my dentist appointment. Oh, all hot girls have IBS. All hot girls have IBS. What is going on with my tummy? I see, I don't usually have tummy issues. And I woke up and I was like, oh, boy.

Yeah, it's okay. I totally can relate. been having some tummy issues lately too, but the opposite problem, I've been a little constipated. Oh, that's the freaking, what would you rather? I think I would rather have, as you like to call it, butt throw up. Because then it's like out of you and you're done with it. And whenever you're constipated, it's chilling in there. It makes your tummy hurt all day.

You just want it out. So I'd rather just, you know, come flying out and be done with one time than have to sit here and be in misery. That's so funny. I was talking to Jason. And he's like, why don't you take Peptobismal or like a modium? And I'm like, because something is clearly trying to escape my body and I don't want to keep it in there. And he was like, yeah, I don't understand that. I'm like, I do.

I want it out. Anyways. Okay. So I think you get yourself sometimes a bit of a bad rep. I know there's so many team demies out there who can appreciate your humor and like how you are on TV. And then some people just don't understand. But what do you think it is? are you when you come into the the shows are you like I am here to make good TV I'm going to stir shit up or are you really like this is who I am and I like to come in and create a storm like who's demmy down to her core yeah I would say that it's a little bit of both like I got I got some messages of people like did you hear what Caitlin and Joe said about you and like how like putting on putting on a show or whatever it's fine because

Because I understand, because there is an aspect of it where I get, like, excited. And I'm like, ooh, I'm going to, like, you know, search it up and I'm going to, like, make it extra crazy. But I would say that still is part of my personality. Like, I'm either super fucking annoying and 100 and over the top, or I'm super, super chill and just like, you know, what's good. So sometimes that's like, I say that I definitely amp it up to make better TV because I'm just there to have fun. And I like acting completely ridiculous and silly. I don't know. I just, I like it.

I like entertaining, I guess. So I get that. Yeah. So like it's a little bit, not a little bit, a lot of bit played up. But it's definitely like most of the time, like it's probably how I feel. I just maybe get a bit dramatic about it and over the top. But it's fun because I feel like you also, you're like Demi, but you're also a character, I feel like. I always say the people on the show, like they're real people.

They're not characters. We need to treat them like real people. But I feel like you have a bit of an alter ego. Like you are a bit of a character on that show because you can amp it up. And you do have such good TV commentary and one-liners. And like you're different from a lot of people that have been on the show. And I know like some people I think forget that you're only 22 or 23 when you went on Colton season, right? Yeah, I was.

I can't believe it's been that long. Yeah, I'm 26 now. Oh my gosh. cable, I'm like a decade older than you, but do you feel like you've changed over those years like you have, you know, gotten obviously more mature, but I think gained a lot of perspective on who you are as a person because I know people say there's a lot of layers to you. And if you pull them back, you are a sensitive person. And you have said on TikTok or your Instagram, you do have insecurities and you do come across as confident. Do you think that

being on television has helped you, you know, be more comfortable with who you are? Or has it made it worse because I know it can go either way. I would say, like, yeah, okay, so I was 23. Going on the show completely changed my life. It opened me up to a whole new world of things I never, you know, could have imagined. I wouldn't say that I'm more mature. I think I think that it's more complex than that. Like, I can be mature.

I can also be extremely immature. I'm aware of that. But I would say that it's just been a lot of. like learning more about the world and interpreting different people's views on things so I can contribute that to like my life too and like you know I'm a very open-minded person so I've learned things that I do like about myself and things I don't like about myself and so like through the past few years it's maybe been sticking to my guns with the things I do like about myself and taking pride in them like I do like the fact that I have an open perspective on life and

I believe in people being able to change their minds about things. And then there's also things where I'm like, that is something I could have handled differently. And that is something that I need to work on. And definitely insecurities, I think being on TV, you get more insecure in some ways and more secure in other categories. You know, like, hey, I'm like, I'm funny. Like, yeah, I'm secure in the fact that I'm funny.

Right. But I am insecure in the fact that, you know, I can be immature. and that, you know, nobody will love me forever. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, girl, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing every day. Yeah, but isn't it, like, I know you can't feel old at 26. Like, you have so much time to figure out what the fuck you're doing. I had no idea in life when I was 26, what the hell I was doing.

And I think it's, it's going to help you in the long run that you have, you know, your insecurities are exposed on national television. So you have no choice but to face them. and address them and learn about them because you're kind of giving them to the world and people are going to either judge you or relate to them. And there's so many different feelings you can have when you're on television and that you have to address when you're like, you know, by yourself. Because it's so fun to be on TV and play those characters.

And then you're the one who has to go to bed with yourself at night. And it's, I think it's really important to acknowledge those insecurities, to acknowledge where you're confident, where it's STEM, from. And I think that's why people like you. I think you're polarizing and I think people enjoy the fact that you can be self-deprecating and say, hey, like, yeah, sometimes I am ridiculous and dramatic and insecure. And then other times I'm really fucking funny. Yeah, I try to, I try to be very self-aware. You know, I am very self-deprecating, but it's also like, people like, oh, don't be so hard on yourself. And it's like, I'm not, I don't actually like, you know, I'm aware that

sometimes I can be a trash can, but it's not like that. I lose sleep over that. I'm just like, yeah, I'm a human. Like, you know, sometimes I screw up and sometimes I do things I'm not proud of. And I'm okay with it. Like, all I can do is just try to be better, but I'm not going to beat myself up over it. I just think it's hilarious to joke about because everyone really feels that way. I think everyone should be open about their insecurities and be like,

but you call yourself a trash can sometimes. What is it? There's a few lines that happen in Bachelor in Paradise that the human. trash can and dumpster fire. Those are two sayings that I feel like I hear every week on the beach of paradise. Yeah, well, I was like, okay, guys, come on. Like get a new phrase like dumpster fire. That is so 2019.

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I want to know your thoughts on what happened and this whole situation because everyone's talking about it. And I think there's, you know, so many people have motives of why you go on. on TV. I mean, I've always been open about the fact that when I went on The Bachelor, I was like, yeah, right, I'm not going to fall in love. Like, if I do, that's great, but I'm really here for an opportunity. There's, the Piper and Brandon thing is obviously a little bit different because of the way they, you know, we're talking about it. It just felt icky is what I keep saying. I believe in my core, every single motherfucker there is there for an opportunity

clout followers. Right. I think that you can be open. Like, I think everyone's pretty much Like, yeah, it'd be great if I fell in love out of this. Like, I don't know if that'll happen or not. Either way, like, I get to be on TV. Because if you didn't care about being on TV, you wouldn't be there. You'd be on Match.com or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? You'd be dating someone here.

You wouldn't need to go on national television to do it. Right. So everyone there, to some degree, is there for the cloud. And I don't have a problem with that because, like, I'm there for that, too. Right, right. but it's more of like okay how they spoke about it knowing that they had mics on like I was just embarrassed for them I was just really it was cringy it was like oh it couldn't have waited it could not have waited right and and then it came across as

really lame like desperate lame I was just like oh you know you're not supposed to get caught doing that a little sloppy um but yeah but honestly like I don't I don't have any with them getting caught up in it. I don't have any problem. I mean, them admitting it. Yeah. What I had a problem with is that it was at somebody else's expense and something that I had to see my friend go through and really affect her and really hurt her. And that's whatever it's really messed up to do that. You can go there for clout and followers. You know, we all are there for that at the end of the day to some extent. Right. But if you you're going to maliciously hurt someone like that.

And then the way that they talked behind her back and saying she was annoying and that really, really upset me, set me off, made me very angry. And I didn't even know that those conversations were happening. I didn't even know how he spoke to her. I did not know any of that until I saw it with the rest of the viewers.

And it was disgusting. It was disgusting. That's like the word that I kept using when I, I was thinking, I was like, oh, that's just disgusting behavior from him. Like, just, I don't know. It just, you know, the fact that he could easily that you'd just come out of his mouth and that was supposed to comfort Piper and he was to like justifying his own behavior by saying those things.

Like, it felt like he had zero empathy for the situation or like remorse and it just felt disgusting the way he was just like saying that to her. And I didn't even know that guy. I've never even like I never saw that side of him. You know, he has, like, his acting reel that got released. I keep getting it sent to me. It's so funny. Wait, what is an acting reel that got released?

Caitlin. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. So, you know, whenever on the episode this week, he was yelling at us whenever we were all having, like, a confrontation. And he's, like, yelling with his eyes really big and, like, kind of like, ooh, a little freaked out. In the acting reel, he does it. And he's like, I'm going to be somebody. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I was like, that's literally, that's Brendan right now on his way out of paradise. I'm going to make something up myself. It's so funny. I cannot wait to look this up. That is insane. Okay, that's what I'm doing as soon as. It's gold. I was like, oh, my God, he is a good actor.

Like, wait, get this. I didn't know. Yes. Give us a role. That's hilarious. Very convincing. Yeah. He was a very good actor in the sense that I never knew.

he was the kind of person that would speak to anyone that way or lie the way that he did. Right. It was just, it was really shocking to me because me and him ended up being really cool on the show after, you know, he rejected me. We were cool. And like me, him, Natasha and Kenny, one of the best days of Paradise is we were all in the pool. Us four were like in a little group in the pool. And all we did was just laugh all day long.

And we just played in the pool. we were telling funny stories like Natasha agrees was one of the most fun days that we have there just us for and at one point Brendan was like Jimmy you know I didn't know about you at first like I didn't know what did things of you he's like but now I think that you're like the funniest person I've ever met and like that's how much we were laughing and I was like oh my god he's actually really cool and then to see this other side of him I was like what like where did that even come from yeah but I don't I don't know I I I it's like mixed feelings about it because I do believe that people should be held accountable

for their behavior, but I don't think that they, yeah, exactly. And I think that you can, maybe he doesn't even know it about himself so he could see his behavior and be like, okay, I understand, if he can say like, I understand why that's wrong, that's not who I want to be. And that is something that I would like to change about myself, you know, maybe try reaching out to Natasha and apologizing her, apologizing and being sincere about it and taking steps to make sure that you correct those behaviors. Because, you know, his brain is probably already trained into behaving that way. So recognize whenever you're behaving that way and make the active steps

to like change that thought process in your head, whether, you know, you need to talk to someone about it or whatever you need to do. Then I believe that he could, you know, redeem himself in a lot of people's eyes if that's what he cares about or just I think he should do it for himself so he doesn't behave that way and know that that's who he is as a human because I don't believe in just completely riding someone off forever that's not fair we all make mistakes and and so that's yeah that's that's what I think about that I actually love everything you just said I totally agree I hope he himself can watch that back it seems like he's being a little bit on the defense on Instagram or like with his you know and then he finally apologizes but did he

he even apologized to Natasha, like, I obviously don't know if he's even reached out, but I don't, I don't either, but I, I actually think that Natasha told me he hasn't, but I'm not 100% sure on that, but I think she's told me he hasn't, but in, I, I definitely know that Piper hasn't. And that's what annoys me is because they did the public apology. She did the public apology, um, with, um, very on brand for them to just do a public apology for the, you know, and I'm like, you're not sorry. No. That's not sorry to me. No, no, no. That is not an apology. That do not even consider accepting that like that for an apology. No, no, no. I mean, not apologizing to me. But still, he wasted your time too. Nah, who cares? It wasn't, it wasn't that theme. He actually really hurt Natasha. Like, it, it sucked to see her and how, suck to see her so hurt by him. and she was actually one of the very few people that I've ever met on the shows

that was so there for love above the cloud and the following. Like she was so there for love and she likes him so much and he, the way he did her was just so wrong and it's heartbreaking. And then the way he spoke to her. One of the most genuine people,

she is one of the most genuine people I've ever met, one of the most, one of the best friends I've ever had in my life. She has been there for me. I mean, she has done things for me like Natasha is an amazing person so the fact that he took advantage of the situation is where I'm like I don't know I just it's frustrating you know I think people are holding him accountable by unfollowing and being like okay and then everyone I think from what I see is

showing Natasha all the love which she deserves and I love that they gave her another rose and everything because you could just tell like even from podcasting with her or just even seeing her on TV. You can just feel the genuine soul she is through the screen. And like she, I do. I believe it when she's there for love. I'm like she is. I can believe it while watching her. And she just seems like such a incredible human. And it was so unfortunate that then she had to go on a date with Dr. Joe, who's like, did a 180 as soon as she talked about how it was Brendan. And he's like, my, Brendan, it's like, oh, was it as bad as what was on TV? You don't want to be, you don't want to be associated with him right now, baby.

He's like kicking him under the table, like, not a good look, not a good look. I did have one question. Do you think people's expectations of fame from the show is starting to have an effect on their intentions going on? Like, I know we all have intentions of the experience and the opportunity, but even like affecting the show or how people behave on TV. Do you think it's just a select number of people? Or do you really think it's everyone going on these days? Oh, I think it's everyone going on for sure.

And the part that peeps me the most about it is because I think that everyone is there for TV time to some extent. And the reason I think that is because you can see it in people's eyes, like, whenever you're there, them, like, censoring themselves. so they say what they think like America wants to hear or like how they could get like scrutinized the least amount for whatever

is about to come out of their mouth and so that's why I say people in the Bachelor franchise are some of the fakes most motherfuckus I've ever met in my life in the biggest assholes. And I'm like I'm an asshole too, but I'm an asshole to your faith. These people are assholes

doors like I always say your favorites are the fakes they are the fakes and I'm like you are actually, and you know, outside of the film time, I'm like, and I hang out with them, I'm like, you're so cool, you're so funny. Why weren't you this way on the show? And it's because they all try to censor themselves because they don't want to get any kind of risk at all getting a villain at it or looking bad. And so, yeah, you can see it on their faces. It's a

performance. Some of them are the best actors and actresses I have ever met. You know, I'm telling you, I feel the same way. It's so funny because that's always my one piece of advice to anyone who goes on is to like not worry about what people are going to love or hate because at the end of the day people will see through bullshit whether that's in two years on your Instagram or right away like over time people are going to really see who you are you might as well be yourself because people will either love you or hate you no matter what so why not just be who you are and that's always my advice to people who go on TV and I know that's obviously hard for people to do because everyone has so many opinions out there on the internet and it is very overwhelming

but they're going to no matter what. Even if you play the perfect role, there's still people that are going to hate you and have opinions. So I'll never understand why people don't just like live their best life on TV as themselves. Yes, I totally agree. And I think it's really, really boring watching somebody who is picture perfect and says nothing wrong. And you can't even think of like a way to criticize them because they do everything. So buy the book and like perfect quote unquote.

And it's boring to watch and it's not relatable. And yeah, I don't know why you would want to be that. Yeah. Especially over the years, like you will benefit. If you want to build something, you will benefit from just being authentic because you can't fake it for much longer than like a short period of television time. Even like the people who, you know, at first they seem so incredible. And then as the show goes on, you can only hide who you are for so long, you know? Yeah, exactly. And I think that, you know, whenever it comes to me saying like a lot of these people are assholes, it's because a lot of them say how they really feel about me, not to me. They say it behind my back, which I think, you know, you're allowed to talk about me behind my back, whatever. But it's whenever it's like publicly and they're like, they say like comments, I don't know. I can't think of a specific one right now. But it's like, you don't respect me because if you respected me, you just.

say it to my face and I'd be like respect you don't have to like me like we don't have to all like each other I feel like you're the kind of person who like you shouldn't be afraid to tell you how someone feels about you like you would much rather that and you'd be like I see where you're coming from yeah I mean like you know what you're right yeah I do kind of suck but I don't know why everyone's so afraid of me I didn't even know people were terrified of me until this season I was like oh my god they think i'm going to kill them in their sleep like no no no no i'm a chicken like what are you afraid of i don't get it i just feel like there's so many different sides of you which i could be wrong but i mean i've hung out with you in person and you just you're just so

sweet and kind and then i see the spicy demi and then i see the let's stir shit up demi i feel like there's just so many sides of you that people you know it's easy to not like one side and it's easy to love the other side. So again, that's so many people and you just, you show all of your sides. That's the thing. I know, right? I think what it is too is it's like whenever I experience an emotion, it's very intense and I react immediately, unfortunately. I wish I could take a, I'm working on trying to pause before I react, but sometimes it's hard. And then I can change like five minutes later. Like I could be so mad. I'm like, oh my gosh, this just made me so mad, blah, freaking out. And then five minutes later, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm over that. Like,

what are you talking about? Why are we even still talking about that? It's fine. Um, so it's just like, if somebody pisses me off, I could be very angry, very quickly, but then I'll be like, hey, like, we don't ever need to talk about that again in like 10 minutes, you know? Yeah, so. That's a good quality. I just had to learn to let shit go because I'm like, at the end of the day, we are just a bunch of blobs of cells rotating on a giant rock through a universe. We don't understand. It's like bigger picture here, people. I don't care if, you know, you stole my boyfriend or something. Like, who cares? Oh my gosh. That's incredible. I might change that in my bio on Instagram. Hey, you're listening over there. Do you own or rent your own home? I'm sure you do.

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looking people. I just do. I mean, I'm a little shallow, but like, I just, I love someone who is easy on the eyes. Yep. And funny. That's, hey, those are two great qualities in a... I'm describing you, actually.

I'm like, are you flirting with me? You know it. Danielle asked best kisser you've ever kissed on the franchise. Hmm. Brad did. Really? I yeah Brendan was a good well honestly I have never had a bad kisser on on the like in the franchise Kenny is a really good kisser it was uh it was it was really good I didn't really like

watching it like it was a little bit cringy because you know a lot of very aggressive but I really liked kissing Kenny too Kenny I don't know man Kenny and Brendan I guess maybe they're just the most recent but they were both really good kisser yeah Brendan, I think, was just such a good kisser to me, too, because I was like, oh, my God, this guy is so hot. Like, I have secured the bag. Like, yes, I did it. I made out with the hottest guy on the beach. So.

Two of the hottest ones. Okay. Eba Koi asked, how are things with your mom? Everyone was very curious about this, by the way. They all wanted to know how things are with your mom. Oh, well, I wish I could say they were better. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's okay.

She was back in prison, but we're hoping that she gets out soon. Okay. Well, I hope things go well for her. I'm sorry. I know. I hate that she's in there. That's what's the most heartbreaking about it. Do you get to visit?

I have it. I mean, it's in Texas. Texas is kind of having a lot of COVID cases recently, so I'm trying not to go travel there. But she calls me once a week and I talk to her. I just, I feel sad. for her because I don't want her to be there. Yeah. And I hate thinking about the fact that she probably feels like she's let everyone down in her life.

And she's like screwed up a lot. And I just want her to know. Like I know who she is in her heart and she makes bad decisions. But she is a very lovely human being. And I just, I don't want her to feel shitty about her life. I think my favorite thing to think of lately is, is that two things can coexist. You can make mistakes and you can still be a really good person.

A person can do bad things or make mistakes and still, like, deep down be a good human who's just had a troubled life. Yeah, no, I completely agree. I think that I tweeted about this. The humans, as humans, it's like RuPaul is my biggest, like, inspiration in life. I love RuPaul. And RuPaul says, like, humans are not just one thing.

It's more complex than that. Right, right. So I believe that we all have good and bad in us. And we, you know, we always try to aim for good, like the majority of people. Some people, you know, have mental illnesses and stuff that might cause them to be psychopaths. But we all don't do, like, we all just, we do bad things, we do good things. It's not, we're not bad or good. They all coexist, like you said.

It's very complex and we're all multifaceted. Yes. We're all blobs on a rock. Exactly. We're all just some blobs and everyone's worried about who's going to be the next Bachelor. I'm like, hello? Have you heard about what's going on on Mars right now? I know. It's an interesting world we live in and the Bachelor nation is they're passionate people, I tell you. I'm like, oh my God, we sent a rocket up to Mars and I miss it because I was watching the freaking Bachelor. What is what am I doing? Who told these people to launch a rocket on a Monday night?

So funny, whenever Brendan was losing all of its followers. I didn't even know that we found out Kylie Jenner was pregnant. I was like, nobody even cares about Kylie's baby right now because Brendan is losing thousands of followers by the minute. Yeah, let us enjoy one thing at a time. This is very overwhelming stuff. Portraits by Shandy wanted to know. Did you wish you said something to Kenny on your way out of your exit? I probably would have been like, hey, quickie for the road.

A one for the road. That's amazing. Oh, my God. That's the perfect response. Okay. And then does Marissa know, does she realize what she could have been looking off of his toe? Like you wear sandals to the bathroom, there's pee on the floor, there's rose stuff, on the beach like I was watching that and I like all four people who have foot fetishes like cool

but a dirty toe off of a beach with whipped cream on it I I doubt that it was dirty I think that we would have seen the sand on it but honestly I don't think Marissa would have cared either way I don't either which is why I love her but I would have taken like a few sanitizing wipes and then like some clean hot water and then I would think about it. Merth is funny. She's alert. Yeah, so she like, she probably, I mean, she clearly, we could see she likes Riley so much. And it probably just made her laugh.

So, like, she probably wasn't even thinking about it. And I think it would have been, she would have found it even funnier if the toe was dirty. Like, she would have just rode with it. I just thought it was hilarious. Oh, what a beauty. I like that. What do you think of Tammy and Thomas? Did you think they were a good match or do you think they're better off with other people?

I think they're better off with other people. Whenever we were there and it was all going down, Tammy and Aaron, and they were together. And then Tammy, like, one day randomly was just like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go talk to Noah. I'm going to go talk to Joe. I'm, like, she was trying to talk to anyone but Aaron. And I, like, I kind of felt for Aaron in that moment,

but also, like, Tammy, Tammy's my girl. So I was like, do you, but whatever you want to do. And then with Thomas, yeah, he was the first new guy. So it was kind of like, you know, ooh, there's something new here. Right. And so every girl was excited about him. And so I think he was very desired. And so maybe that's what got her so excited for him.

Mm-hmm. And I didn't think that they were a bad match. I just, I kind of was like, I don't know how much Thomas is really into you. Yeah. Because I know that Thomas, like, wants to stay. So he got the rose from you. I don't know how much longer this is going to last. because Thomas was doing the most for everyone.

Like, he made me a whole plate of, like, hickama with, like, hot sauce and tahine and lime juice and all this stuff and, like, brought it over to me. And I was like, oh, this man wants a rose. That's what's going on right now. You know, so I was like, Tammy, he's probably blowing a lot of smoke up your ass so you can get a rose. I'm sure he likes you, but, like, I don't know how genuine he's being. Let's remember where we are here. Exactly. Like, you know, read the room.

But also, I could be completely. wrong. You know, I'm open to being wrong. But that's just kind of what I would say. Yeah, that's just your opinion. And then I just can't help it feel so heartbroken for Kendall because I think she really wanted to come there and like start new memories. I think she probably wanted to walk in and feel like confident in like her being there and Joe and I can be in the same place and we can do her own thing and it'll be fun. And I think it just crashed and burned her idea of what it could be. And it's just, like, painful to watch. I don't know what I think about that situation entirely

because I really do like Kendall. I think she's a lovely person. And I think that she has a good heart. But there is a part of me that I can't decide if she went, like, why she went back completely because I think that she knew Joe was going to go. So it's like, did you come? come back to try to get back with Joe?

Did you come back to taint his experience? Right. You don't seem like you're really trying to talk to anyone else. Her and Ivan, I mean, from what I saw last night, I didn't seem, I mean, it was like an awkward time to try to kiss her, but I just, I can't get a feel on what she's doing there except for being involved with Joe again whenever, I don't know. I'm just confused on the whole situation. And I know that there's no malice, no malice intent behind it because I know her and she wouldn't do that.

But I'm just wondering if she couldn't, if she didn't want to move to Chicago to be with him. You know, she don't want to move to Chicago. That was the deal breaker, I guess, is kind of what I got from hearing their conversation on being aired. Then what's going to change? And are you here to like keep an eye on him or to make him uncomfortable or not? uncomfortable but like maybe try to see if the whole chicago thing will go away like i don't know i just i don't know what what her intent was but i don't think it was malicious i don't think she knows what her intent was at the end of the day i know she's trying to say what it was but i don't

think she really knew what she was getting herself into down there but then i'm like at the end of the day i just i always want people to be happy i need james to be happy who can we pair james with because that guy keeps getting the short end of the stick and he's like he's so cute he's like what the fuck like well like bye okay James is so nice he's so nice he's so nice and I remember him from Katie's he said he was in a box

and like just a kind person who just seems to have bad luck I know it was so funny at the roast ceremony like you know you go around at the cocktail party talking to people I was like hey James you want to talk and I said don't worry I'm not going to do this to you again I was like who do you think I should go

before. What should I do? But yeah, I don't, I don't know. I kind of, I was vibed with him and Tia. Yeah. I was, and yeah, I was like, what the heck? Who's, then Tanny Daddy had to come in? Who the hell is that man? I was telling Jason this morning. I was like, yeah, and this Blake guy came in. He was like, well, which Blake? And I was like, I don't know. I've never seen him before. Who sees him? What's he on? I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea. no disrespect i just i genuinely do not know well he said as he was coming down the beach he's like most people aren't going to know who i am so it's not perfect perfect we're off the hook we're all disrespect we're just he's daddy daddy for the rest of time now though

okay well we're going to miss you on our tv screens i'm i think you should go for the voice over acting i actually think that is the perfect career path for you and i'm i'm into this idea and I'm going to like send you my girl who sent me these auditions and we're going to make this happen. Start a grip chat. Let's go. Let's freaking go. I love it. Thank you so much for coming on the pod today and chatting with me. You're just you're just the most entertaining, lovely human. I was telling this to Tammy too. It's like I can watch and like I can chirp or have my opinions. And then as soon as I talk to anybody, I'm like, I love you. It's fun to chirp. It's fun to chirp, I get it.

Because it's not that, it's not that deep, you know? It's like, okay, I'm just giving an opinion and everyone has the right to their opinion. So whatever. Like, yeah, no, I love you too. I had so much fun doing this. Are we not going to do a confession? Oh, if you have a look for me, please. This is just not a confession, just like a little funny story about paradise.

Please. In the boom boom room after. me and Kenny get done porking. Yeah. Kenny looks at me and he goes, so what are we going to name the baby? And I said, Carl.

Carl, I have questions about this boom boom room. Like, do they provide condoms in there? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. But yeah, so after that, he was like, hey, how's baby Carl? Like a producer recommends me and like,

Kenny wanted me to ask you how baby Carl's doing. So then whenever he got with Mari again, I was like, how does baby Carl like his stepmom? Baby Carl does not approve. He wants his parents to be together. Right? But yeah, no, it was really funny. Just because Carl was such a character,

it was just the first thing that came to my head. Carl was hilarious. One time, I'm not even kidding you, the man was doing push-ups in the bushes. Me and Tammy were sitting there, and I was like, what's that sound? And we looked behind us. It was the day after Riley had got there.

So Riley, you know, all big muscles. and everything and we see Carl doing push-ups in the bushes in the bushes trying to hide like trying to get a few pumps in in the bushes oh my gosh that is so Carl he's the most random your classic rambler random human who truly is just a sweetie but like doesn't get it he's so interesting every time I would walk into a room from across the room wherever I was even if it was an area like the stairs or something you would just see Carl like this staring into my soul and I was like, what? And then one day I was like, Carl, stop looking at me.

Like, what do you want? And he would just be like, oh, you know, Demi. And then walk away. And I'm like, I don't know. I truly don't. You're scaring me. I mean, I mean, like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, do you need something for me?

Like, what? But he's just so interesting, very entertaining to me. He is very entertaining. I will give him that. I have the men tell all. They had to edit out so many of. like the Carlisms because it was just there's too many like you just wouldn't stop we're like okay Carl we have to like keep this in a time frame here but it's so funny yeah that's hilarious oh

there's over 10,000 lines you can read on a palm and I can read about 200 of them I said oh so you aren't very good at palm reading then that's a very low number okay well I love you thank you for having me thank you so much for coming on and I'm going to miss you my screen but i'll see you on instagram yeah let's hang out okay okay talk to you soon girl all right bye love bye okay vinos don't go anywhere because i have last months pump your tires vino nominated indigenous owned small business to tell you about sharing my platform with extremely deserving individuals and small businesses is truly my absolute favorite thing to do and cheekbone beauty is one of them so cheekbone beauty is an indigenous owned and founded

business and it immediately jumped out to me from the nominations just based on the tremendous amount of charitable donations and support they give back to the indigenous community besides having ambitious zero waste goals giving back is basically their entire mission so cheekbones aim to make a difference in the lives of indigenous youth through donations addressing the educational funding gap and to create a space in the beauty industry where indigenous youth feel represented and seen to date Cheapbone Beauty has donated more than $150,000 to a wide variety of causes. And today, I get to speak with the founder, Jen Harper, who has a very inspirational story of overcoming alcoholism, the loss of her brother to suicide, and fully comprehending the ramifications that the residential

school system had on her grandmother, who is a survivor. We also found out that I've actually been using this cheekbone lip gloss while filming The Bachelorette. They're my four favorite. I was going to call them flavors colors. You know what I'll just tell you right now? My favorite one is Pink Moon. So I hope you find this interview very educational and I encourage you to follow and support Jen and her mission at Cheekbone Beauty. Hi, Jen. Hi. How are you? Hi, I'm so good. How are you? Good, good. It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Thank you for coming on today. I'm just giggling over here because I was downstairs and we're filming right now.

and I was talking to the makeup artist and she asked who I was podcasting with today and I told her you and she goes Caitlin that's been your favorite lip gloss that you've been wearing this whole season and I literally have it right here sitting on my I've been using okay this one's full moon pink moon yeah I've been using I wrote them down pink moon rose five and sweetgrass are my three favorites that I've just been like she'll try and get me to wear other lip glosses and I keep going back to these without even realizing what the name of the brand was. Oh, that's so awesome. Well, I'm so happy because obviously I love the products and everything we've created, but to get other people to say that they're awesome, too, is just like, you know, all the work. And I always, I was just saying to someone, I'm like, no one as the average consumer, when I was one, had no idea, like the stages and everything that goes into making something from the beginning to the end, right?

It's a lot of work, and I've been reading up on you, and you are just one hell of an inspirational woman, and I'm just very impressed with you. The work you are doing and have been doing for years is just beyond inspirational and so important. But there's just so much more to your story, and I'm excited to have you on and kind of share with us who you are and the many life-changing events you've experienced before even coming up with the idea of cheekbone beauty. Yeah, it definitely wasn't like the typical path to the beauty industry. I was actually like career-wise spent most of my time in hospitality in the food world. But at the same time was battling alcoholism like really, really bad. And in the last couple of years, it just got, it got so bad to the point I literally now when I look back, realize how lucky I am just to be here. Because I think I was literally either killing myself on purpose and slowly or, I could have ended up in so many different situations, but so grateful that, you know, November 2014, November 26, I decided that that was it and got sober. And literally a couple months later had this incredible dream. These native little girls were in it.

And I chuckle because it's really crazy. And they were covered in lip gloss, like literally like the tube you just showed me. Come on. And they were just like such a mess. but they were so joyful. And I tell everyone, it's not like, okay, cheekbone beauty was born and everything was laid out in that dream. It was that joy from those little girls laughing that I think is what sits with me and I remember the most.

And so began like two years of like market research, product development, how to operate a business, like had no idea and really grateful that I found and connected and networked with so many people. and we finally launched, you know, e-commerce had come into the realm. So it's incredible what I realize now, how timing is everything. I don't think someone with my background without the ability to launch an online store and have it as simple as it does with a platform like we use Shopify.

And it just made it so simple. And it's really leveled the playing field for people that come from marginalized impoverished communities. Like I always say, okay, I did have, you know, I wasn't poor when I started it. but I took, I'm not, I'm certainly not rich. And so everything, I had like 500 bucks literally when this began. And I told my husband, I'm like, okay, I'm going to keep working my full-time job. And I'm just putting every sort of like, you know, I wouldn't buy myself that extra pair of shoes that month or, you know, those extra things.

And we didn't go on like family vacations for a couple years because I was just all going back into the business. And the reason I know to this day that I didn't give up, because it's, really hard. The more I learned about the industry, the beauty space, I was like, what am I doing here? Like, I don't know anything. I don't, I've never, I never realized how competitive it was. I knew there was lots of brands. Then I, you know, learning that it's owned by like five big companies that really own everything in the whole entire world and what am I, who do I think I am that I could possibly make this happen. I happen to lose my brother to suicide. And I say

happened because it was something totally unexpected. And so painful, but it just gave me purpose and this passion, like, insatiable passion, because I had no idea now looking back how I was working like these 80, 100 hour work weeks. So my full-time job to like pay our mortgage and stuff and then also all of the hours putting it into this business that I didn't know if it was going to work or not. But truly passion is what's driven us to where we are. he said something to me really early on when I told him about building cheekbone beauty and he worked with indigenous kids he worked on our reservation and he said Jen and our kids need hope and they need help and he could see that what I was doing and how much that was going to empower

indigenous use so that's been our why the reason we exist the whole time and when you have that amount of passion and you've been through what you have in these experiences like I just feel like you're able to, you know, put aside those family trips or certain things that you'd usually do and put everything back into your business because of the passion. And I always say that if you have a reason and a passion behind it, like, even if you're not making millions of dollars, you're going to be successful in your own way. And that could even be in a way of, like, happiness and giving back and being able to do what you're clearly doing now. And I mean, your brand is doing incredible things.

And it's, I love that it came to you in a dream. And I've had a dream expert on my podcast. I believe in what dreams try and tell us. And clearly you are, you know, doing what you're meant to be doing. And you've had some struggles along the way. But it's probably only, you know your purpose a little better now from going through what you have. Oh, for sure. And I literally say, even if this didn't work, if it wasn't.

successful. Like you just said, it was never about the money. It's taught me so much about myself. And because at the same time, you have to remember, like, I was sick, really sick. And so I call Cheap Bone Beauty. It's, it's my healing journey. It's the whole, it's all part of it. And it's definitely helped me see what I'm capable of, definitely show me to teach my own children that like mistakes are totally fine. It's like we learn the most from those mistakes we make. And when you're when you're operating to business, there's a lot of mistakes. Some are a lot more costlier than others. But just, like, you're just learning constantly.

And when the passion's there, it definitely fuels it to just keep to, for you to keep driving even through all of the tribulations and trials. Yeah. And what was it for you that, you know, I know you had this dream, but what was it for you to turn your life around with alcoholism? Because I know a lot of people can struggle from that. And it's, it's not an easy. overnight switch? No, absolutely not. I was trying to get well for us like six years rehab in a couple

times. A.A., everything that anyone knows about addiction and recovery, I did it all. And it's kind of crazy. It's one day I woke up. My husband was giving me an ultimatum like he had had enough. So family, being supportive, but compassionate at the same time. And then believing, in God and literally I didn't used to think like I've always believed in creator higher power but I didn't really believe that that was going to help me like I didn't see it and so it's like this faith that you can't explain or describe uh to this day because I'm really a blessed recovered alcoholic because I've not even had a craving since then and it was me admitting that something greater than myself that created the universe

could ultimately help me. And it was when I actually internally believe that, that that switch happened. And it's really hard to explain and describe because it's very like, I guess, spiritual and out of the realm of the things that we humans see right in front of our faces every day. But it's believing that that higher power was so much greater than I could possibly ever imagine. Yeah. I think that's, there's so much beauty and having that light that all of a sudden you're just like something shifts inside of you where you think about your. greater good or what you need to do for your family, and that's definitely not easy to do. So good for you for doing it and creating something that has so much impact as well as a product

that people are going to love. And I know you have a mission to, you know, empower people and support the indigenous community. So tell me a little bit more about that. Yeah, from the beginning, I had from that same dream, I woke up and it was like, okay, so I'm going to figure out how to make lip gloss. And what I wanted to do was start a scholarship in my grand. grandmother's name. Cool. So fast forward, met some business advisors and they're like, you know, starting a foundation and a business, really both hard, both like starting two new businesses, focus on starting this business and making this lip gloss, and then find an organization that you can support with a portion of profits. So that was some great advice found at the First Nation Child and

Family Caring Society, which was really just already doing some incredible work, you know, speaking out and bringing awareness to just a lot of issues that have always existed. It's just we don't all get to hear about them. And so we always say it's like using beauty or our platform is a place where we can talk about really uncomfortable things. And we try to make cheekbone beauty a really soft place for people to land. Because sometimes I fully understand that as an ally or someone who doesn't come from an indigenous background is hearing a lot of this information.

for the same time, at the same time. And it's shocking. Like I know we now live in a generation where kids are kids are learning all of these things in school. But unfortunately, I did not. I know some generations even after me did not. Right. That when colonization happened, it truly impacted the people that were living here in a really

negative way. And that then started the residential school system or the U.S. boarding school system. and it was to assimilate indigenous people into a more European or settler lifestyle, which was just not their path, right? And it really left some huge trauma, which affected, I realize now that my grandmother, my grandfather, both were survivors of the residential school system. And they'd left with enormous scars and truly trauma that path was. Ultimately, I realize now it was passed on to me and my brother and my other siblings that are still alive.

And so it's that trauma that we're trying to make now into like this generational healing as the brand. Like let's change that narrative. Let's make sure people see the beauty of indigenous culture and our ways of indigenous ways of knowing and being, which is really, it's a lifestyle that indigenous people have always had. And it's this idea where they're in relationship with everything. And so that's why we take so seriously this journey of sustainability that we're on and look back in history and look to what our ancestors did in order to create that love that they obviously have for the land because they're doing so much to protect it. And so we add that and layer that into literally everything that we're doing and we're building. And I got to learn so much about me

and my family at the same time. Wow. That sounds just like a whole beautiful journey that you have been on through ups and downs and got you to where you are today. And I know you have a goal of being zero waste by 2023, which is incredible. Tell me how. How does one get to, you know, having zero waste? I want to be a part of it. Tell me how I can help. I'm laughing because we call that our be hog here at Cheaphone. It's like a big, hairy, audacious goal. So meaning it is unachievable. But we are going to shoot for as close to that as we possibly can get because there's always waste involved in so like we're humans and we're part of the natural ecosystem and to not get gross but we have waste and those things happen naturally and so

it's like but trying to look to nature and mimic it is as close as possible so how can we eliminate waste that will never disappear one being plastics and bioplastics that we know do not break down using ingredients that we know are all 100% plant-based and biodegradable so when they go back into the ecosystem or the waterways that are not impacting anything negatively and that they will disappear and it's in you know i used to not know as much as i know now um and i still have so much to learn but just like silicone based ingredients which is like the best primers that we've all loved for beauty for so long a lot of times come from a silicone base but silicone when it goes back into the earth is never going anywhere so it's just about changing and then these things have

different names on ingredient listings. So we do a lot of the marketing and work we try to do in the background is actually teach at the same time because as we're learning or I've learned, our team wants to share that. Like it's such a complicated complex conversation like ingredients packaging. There's no black and white solution like aluminum isn't better than glass in some cases or recycled. We use PCR, which is a post recycled consumer resin, which is plastic now made from used plastic so we're repurposing plastic but at the end of the day it's still not the best solution but in some cases it has to be because there's no other option at this time but i always say we're here for all of these amazing kids that are inventing incredible new ideas there's some packaging

right now being made out of mushroom material which is just fascinating so yeah we're just here for this journey and to to sort of partner and join anyone who's on it with us and wants to create and make better things. And at the end of the day, the facts are the most sustainable option is buy less, use less, don't buy things we don't need, repurpose when we can. So we're really honest as a brand. Like, we're not saying, yeah, come buy 10 lipsticks because that's, we're a sustainable brand. In reality, I think as a society as humans, we need to shift and rethink of how we use and purchase and all of those things. But that's a whole other deeper conversation. That's, no, I've been really fascinated by that lately, too, in reading up on some books.

And one of my girlfriends is very much into learning more about that. She's been helping me understand. And she's literally not buying clothes, like, for a whole year. And she's just, you know, like, just slowly but surely trying to learn more and do more. And speaking of learning more and doing more, I just wanted to know if there is one thing you could say to everyone who is on a journey of educating themselves on, you know, the revelations of Canada's dark history and the systemic racism of indigenous people and, you know, what you could tell them or what would be your greatest advice for a source of education. Because I think a lot of people, especially, you know, like just from being from Canada and now learning and not learning this in school, like you said, I think we're in a place where in society, I feel like we're all so much more open to learning and, you know, not wanting to just. you know when things are really bad and you don't want to know it.

I feel like we're in a place where we're like we need to get educated and learn and we want to open our eyes to it. So I think a lot of people would want to know some resources for education. Yeah, it's like when you walk into a messy room and you're like you don't even know where to start. Like it's that big of a disaster. Like I feel like that's where we all are as a society. And it's really hard.

It's even hard for our communities. Like even though we know this history and we know this is what had gone on and the rest of the world is just waking up to it. It's still hard because it's like, oh, the truth that's like finally there. And so it took, it was, it's been an emotional process for indigenous folks as well. But there's a great course, the University of Alberta offers for free called Indigenous History in Canada, which has become very popular. Is that the 12 week one? Yeah. And I mean, that's like, it takes 12 weeks, but it's only like an hour a week. Yeah. Which is not crazy, right? I know I did it like four years ago and I learned so much. So there's that. And then I would just say wherever you live,

I always give this, like just find out the people that live there and still live there. And you can do anything and connect with their communities. And when powwows and gathering happens, there will likely be one. And it's really the most beautiful way to learn about Native people. I honestly believe so is just find out where you live. what you can do and attend, and they're so welcoming and so warm. Yeah, and it's easy to find, too. If there's like a whole, there's just like one website you can go to, type in where you are, and it'll give you all of the names.

Yeah. Yeah. I think on, in the U.S., it's called powwows.com, which has a ton of information as well. And there's so many, like off the, but I believe that course is amazing from the University of Alberta. I love that. Dan Levy, I think, from Schitt's Creek. did it and shared, but that's where I got the idea to do it to. And then my girlfriend

and I have decided that we're going to look into it and do that 12-week course. Well, I talked about it before him. Well, you know what? I just don't have the same audience, obviously. You know what? You should have the same audience because your voice matters. And I'm glad he's brought it up, but you were there first. Oh, so glad. So glad. He did because I was like, it is a great course. And I don't know whoever told him about or how he found it, but I was, you know, one of those moments where you get a little teary-eyed because you're like, Now more people will take this. And it was free.

I'm like, this is free. Yeah, exactly. Wow, that's so important. That's, I love that. I love your product. I love what you're doing. I'm just so thankful that you joined me for this segment and that you were nominated and for sharing your story and what you do with the world because it's just, it's really inspiring,

truthfully. It really is. Thank you so much. Of course. And where can everybody find you and find the product and find anything that they can get information on? at cheekbone beauty.com, and then after September 21st, sephora.orgia. Wow. Congratulations.

Yeah. Thank you so much. It's a big, big deal for this small little company like ours. Huge. We're really excited and scared at the same time. Of course. I mean, anything that big should be scary because it's such a big deal. And you, you know, obviously have worked so hard for this. But I can't wait to spread the word. and now that I know that's what I've been using, I'm going to tell my makeup artist to spread the word

because she's using it on a big show on national television. So you, uh... Thank you. Yeah, you're incredible. And again, thank you for coming on. And I'm so glad I met you. Thank you. Me too. Have a good night.

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