Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Jaclyn Misch

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

On today’s Grape Therapy, Kaitlyn is joined by wine connoisseur, former Survivor contestant and Miss USA participant Jaclyn Misch to celebrate Spade & Sparrows! Jaclyn is a wine enthusiast who gave up her career in PR and advertising to train in Napa to be a sommelier. She and Kaitlyn try out some of the new Spade & Sparrows wine options and Jaclyn gives Kaitlyn some wine 101 tips! GEICO – Go to geico.com, and in fifteen minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance BEST FIENDS – Download Best Fiends FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play RITUAL – Visit Ritual.com/VINE to get 10% off during your first three months.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Better health doesn't happen overnight. And right now, Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off during your first three months. Fill in the gaps in your diet with essential for women, a small step that helps support a healthy foundation for your body. Podcast One presents Off the Vine, great, Therapy. Caitlin Bristow is going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. All right. Welcome. Great therapy. Today we are talking about one of my favorite things in the world,

you guessed it, wine. In honor of Spade and Sparrow's 2.0, I wanted to get into all things wine, including tips and tricks when it comes to sounding like an expert, because I'm not, and how to properly haste. I definitely could not do this alone, so I brought in a master. She's a former pageant queen and former reality star, who you may have caught on season 29 of Survivor, where she spent 39 days on a beach. I could never do that. I'm going to need to hear a lot more about that. After graduating from college and working in the PR and world, she quickly realized that that wasn't for her and decided to pursue a passion we have in common. Wine. She's a graduate of the Culinary Institute of America in Napa Valley and a go-to source for everything wine.

And I'm just obviously so excited to learn from her. So please welcome to the podcast, Jacqueline Mish. Thank you so much for being on. Thank you for having me. It's gone good. Where are you in the world right now? I am in Metro Detroit in Michigan. Oh, okay.

Is that where you're from? Yes. Yeah. Okay. And then so you went to school. in Napa? Yes. So I moved out there. I think it was two years ago now. I lived out there for 10 months while I was married. I was like, hey, John, I'm going to go to Napa while you're in dental school. He was like, I'm like, no, dude. Like I need to go do something else with my life. And I don't

see you anyways because you're studying all the time. So yeah, I graduated last May and moved back because, you know, he's here. I love that you did that. First of all, I love that you have that passion to go do something for yourself if you know you're like you know i'm just sitting here i want to go do something i love that you were in it you had a job and that you're like this isn't my passion i'm going to chase my passion good for you for doing that i love it and also um okay tell me about your experience on survivor because i've always wanted to do big brother because you can like cook and eat and like sleep a lot and i'm like i don't think i could ever make it in the world of survivor like ever i always bow down to the people who go on that so um you could

totally do it. I feel like your body, you adapt so quickly. I feel like I grew up camping, so I don't know if that had something to help with it. But yeah, man, 39 days. I lost like 30 pounds. We only had maybe two teaspoons of rice a day, which was disgusting because it tasted like saltwater and sand. So when you chewed it, your teeth would like crunch. Oh, that's seriously all you got to eat. Why? Yeah, unless your tribe won the challenges. And, which case you want food but then your stomach is just like so rocked after eating real human food that you just like die in the woods like with nothing maybe an inappropriate question but what were the what was the bathroom? Literally nothing like they called it like you go in

the woods um the cameras wouldn't follow you'd say that you were going to coconut grove that was like the keyword you'd say like on coconut grope or like in the ocean and with a leaf or something to like help the situation but I mean I'll just tell you I poop like four times in 39 days because I wasn't eating like my body just shut down that makes sense and like are the camera people eating in front of you I feel like that's a typical question people ask but I've heard that they do but that that would be just mean yeah no they don't they don't I remember there was maybe like four days left and one of the camera guys had on shorts with hot dogs and hamburgers all over them and we were like he did not so rude what's the craziest thing that happened

on that show that like what was the craziest thing I don't I don't even know our season was actually kind of boring really I mean behind the scenes girl I don't know it was like six years ago The one whole episode was John and I fighting, which sucked. Like, I could not watch it back. I drank so much wine watching the whole thing back, and we've never watched it again. Never watched it again. I can't do it. I can relate to watching and drinking a lot of wine drink.

Yeah, it could be really rough, especially. So your husband was on with you. Yeah. So we were on a blood versus water season. So there were sisters, brothers, couples, mother-daughter, that kind of thing. And we'd been dating for a year already. Okay. I do, I actually do remember that. That's so crazy. And as I mentioned in your intro, you were working in PR and advertising before you got into wine. So was wine something you were always interested in? And when did you officially

decide to pursue it as a career? Oh my gosh. I feel like it's such a slow evolution. I was not into wine. We were a beer drinking family, like camping. And when I met John, he like, him and his dad would drink wine and I would hear these words and we'd like Google what does this mean these weird wine words like let's go buy cheese and wine and try and figure it on be wine people and we were like 22 at the time and then we moved to Vegas after well I moved to Vegas first and then to watch Survivor back he moved to Vegas as well and he worked at a restaurant and he's the general manager and all the guys at the time that worked there were going and sitting for their certified Somalia exam so I was the hostess and I would

like listen to these guys do all the wine things and I was I always thought it was such a dude thing so I never saw myself in wine until I moved home and I was like dude I'm drinking wine with you I understand like all of what you're talking about I really love it but and then one day John was like why don't you just start pouring wine at a restaurant and see if you like it and then do some certifications and then the rest of history I guess yeah that's the restaurant industry got me into the wine as well um that's so cool and so what why Vegas just for fun so advertising actually took me out there so I was a media buyer and um in Michigan for four years working for Michigan Department of Health and I hated it was like so boring not me and so um the first job

I got offered to leave Michigan was in Las Vegas and it was per Elegian airline to do their media planning and buy and everyone's like Vegas you can live in Vegas and I'm like yeah I'm leaving, bye. That's so fun. I mean, I'm all about just getting up and going, doing whatever you, you know, while you're young, why not? And then, so what was your experience in Napa, like becoming a master of wine? Did you love it?

What was your, like, day to day? What did your day to day look like? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Freaking magical, man. Well, so when I started, it was an advanced whining. beverage certificate program and then halfway through they accredited it to be a master's of wine management sort of like a master's wine management yeah so all you had to do was write a thesis

and add on three months and i could do that from home so it's like yeah that's awesome but anyways it's freaking magical like tasting wine every day but i mean i couldn't actually drink wine every day would die yeah i was going to say i when i started creating this wine it was the first time i was like oh, I understand the pour out buckets now. Right? Yeah. I still hate pouring it, though, and spitting it. I feel like so weird, but...

Well, because it feels like a waste, but that's... I don't know. You have to be taking today for nine months. Doesn't your mouth get, like, raw after that? Seriously. And John is going to dental school, so he's like, we are getting your teeth cleaned and all the things. Yes, help me. They're so stained.

Oh, my gosh. That's funny. I'm doing an Invisaline right now, and I don't have them in because I'm going to drink wine, but that's been like the whole thing is just like red wine, coffee, all my favorite things. Now I've got these little, like, I don't know what they're even called. I put buttons on my teeth that. Yeah, I had that, yeah. And I feel like those are getting stained. Damn it.

No, it's not cute. It's really not cute. Did you do Invisaline? Yeah, I had it too. Right before Miss USA, they put it on me. they're like, aren't we have to fix this girl's teeth? Really? What, um, how old are for?

Maybe six months, but during my whole year, I had the buttons are like up on my k-9 teeth, so they have stuffed out. So I looked ridiculous. Oh, my gosh. You can't even see yours. Well, yeah, they're all on, they're on like my bottom teeth and in the back. So you can't really see mine, which is fine. But when did you do Miss America?

2013. What was that? the first one I ever did. Really? Yeah. Like I wanted to wear kitten heels because I had never walked in hails my entire life. And I asked the pageant director, I was like, can I wear these? Because I'm six foot tall.

I was such a tomboy. So it was so weird. My parents were like, we're going to watch a what? A pageant? Really? I was going to ask you. Like do pageants all growing up? No, no way.

I played basketball and volleyball for 10, 12 years. Yeah, this was weird. Who makes you get into the pageant world? honestly this girl from my hometown was like because Donald Trump owned it at the time yeah and she was like Donald Trump wants me in the pageant and I was like what the heck I wouldn't do it really that's how you got it yeah so crazy and so then I entered a special talent or skill like is that I don't really know how obviously clearly I don't know how pageants work but do you have to have like a skill so yeah so that's Miss America though

So the two sisters, like Miss America and then Miss USA. So Miss USA, you don't need a talent. But in Polish dancing, like straight up polka for nine years. Oh, that's awesome. So I would have poca'd on that stage. Oh, did you do it? No. Oh, but that's what you would have done. That's cool. Did you enjoy that experience or were you like, glad I did it once never again? I'm glad I did it once never again. Yeah. I feel that. Did you know that right now, Guy Coe's offering an extra 15% credit on car, motorcycle, and RV policies. That's 15% on top of the money, GEICO could already save you. So what are you waiting for? Your dog to make you breakfast in bed? With Belgian waffles, maybe a fresh fruit compote. As nice as that sounds, that's probably not

going to happen. But at least there's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra 15% when you switch by October 7th, visit GEICO.com to learn more. a little bit about your career in wine right now. You have a company that does wine events and education, right? Yeah. So I started as tasting grapes LLC when I moved back to Metro Detroit, mainly because I just, I hate the snobbery and exclusiveness of wine. And so I wanted to come back home and just having a, like, fun events for anybody that wanted to come learn about wine and drink and just have a good time and take pictures and just have a good time, you know, and not have that stigma with it. I wanted like everybody to be able to come.

And so it was going well until COVID hit. Yeah. It's so frustrating. That's, like you said earlier, like you thought it was a man's world. You thought it was just men that talked about wine. And do you think that is how it's always been? Or do you think that's changing and why? I think it's changing.

I think social media has a lot to do with it, too. I mean, I feel like girls are just, women are taken over. We're like, we know about it, we love it, we drink it more than men. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. There was a saying I saw. And like in the wine industry, the saying, I don't know how long ago this was, but it said the men drink wine and the women will follow or something. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I said. I was like, ew, that was an actual saying in the wine industry. And I was like, no, screw that. And you're right. Like women are absolutely taking over. So just. seems only if that can be anything and wine like the of course wine yeah i just think social media has such a big deal to do with it too people in the traditional wine world are kind of like ooh wine bloggers you don't know what you're talking about because you're pretty entertaining pictures and there's no substance but it's like bitch like yes there is substance like we've done our

shit and and and you don't even need the certifications to drink wine and love wine you know what i mean like you have your own wine. I know. And I'm like, I know enough to know what I like and what I don't like. And that's also like I'm acclaimed by people who are knowledgeable in the wine world because I do want to learn more. And I obviously want to grow since it is my business.

So I'm like, that's why I want to have someone like you on the podcast. I want to do like a master class. I like I want to, I know all I am is like I enjoy wine. And that is enough. And that's what I want everybody, you know, to know to know from my wine.

brand is that like just I don't care how you hold the glass I don't care it with it I don't care if you pair it with a cheese burger like I it's just like totally snobby but on the other hand I do like to learn and I think it's fun for it my listeners to learn a lot as well just to know totally even some of my own bottles I'm like like to me if you see a pino grigio you're like what's a pino grigio and you're like well actually it's 85% Pino Grisio and then 15% French. I don't even how to say the word, Columbard. Colombard. You got it. Columbard. Yeah. I was close. I was crazy. All these like certain words that I'm like, I'm still learning as I go. That's totally. Yeah. Like I'm still learning, you know, and that's what I love too about lines because you're an educator, but you're also like a student too because you're never going to know it all, you know, for sure.

There's just so much. It's the whole world, you know. Exactly. My boyfriend had a good. the other day he said um all the greatest leaders in whatever they're doing they're the greatest leaders for a reason but they also have to know to be led like you can always learn and you're totally just grow in in every way possible so um totally oh yeah that's what i was going to say i am relatively new to the wine industry but like i said i'm like i love learning more um and you totally well too yeah you're doing it firsthand too which is the best experience yeah it is the best experience. I've already learned so short amount of time. And like we were talking about how it's maybe a male donut world, but women are coming in. And how do you feel the latest

movement is taking shape with this industry specifically? I mean, I think it's incredible. There's a long overdue revolution happening. I mean, I think that one of the reasons I fell in love with wine is because just it's intrinsically diverse. It's made in 70 countries. It's such a celebration of humanity and people. And I hate that there was this glass ceiling of it. It's a white man's world. So I just love seeing more color and it's needed. It's so needed.

Absolutely. Yeah. I love that you've been sharing some black-owned wineries to support, which is absolutely incredible. Yeah, we have to. You know, you have to amplify the voices and also encourage people who are in the industry that want to learn with, I mean, wine is so freaking expensive, too, just to learn and have resources to get the wines to taste.

And so it's good, though. I think that it's much needed there. Did you see there's a ton of like master smoliers quitting? Really? Yeah, they're like, screw this. I do not believe in the corner of master smoliers. I'm a master smolier and I don't agree. My moral values don't align.

They won't say what clubs matter. I'm out. And I'm like, hell yeah. Yeah, bye. Yeah. It's so gross. And I know Matt, like for so long. And I just am like, yes, I'm so glad to see these guys stepping down and saying it's just

not right, you know? Yeah. Gosh, that is crazy. Actually, that is gross is a good word to describe it. It is. I know. But I like that you use your platform to share and talk about it for it. You use your platform in the pageant world and still use your platform now to talk about

infertility, which is a topic close to your heart. Can you speak a bit on why it is important for you to talk about and share you're experiencing? Yeah, so I was born with MRKH syndrome. One in 5,000 women are born with it. And when I won Ms. Michigan, I didn't talk about it. It was still a secret. And then after I won, I'm like, okay, now what? Like, why does this mean? And they were like, well, do you have any causes or philanthropies that you want to talk about? I'm like, well, I was born at this breast syndrome. I don't have a uterus, a cervix, or an upper vaginal canal. Like, I was born about half my reproductive organs. And everyone was like, what? And so,

that was the first time a lot of my extended family heard about it a local ABC station did a segment on it and then it just kind of blossomed it was terrified um just you know it's like such a vulnerable part of yourself to share with the world but i got a lot of support and feedback from other women have the syndrome and just the infertility community in general it was really liberating to just not hide that anymore um so now i continue to talk about so i talked about it on survivor and the final tribal council with us three I pled to the jury I wanted to win the money because it's so freaking expensive to do IVF surrogacy and adapt. It's all like outrageous. And so a gay couple that we really connected with like threw me a bone and voted one for me. So I got second place. And so we used the money to do IVF the first time, which a saga. But yeah, I just think it's important to be transparent about it because like women like we all have this shit go down like i'm not gonna just not talk about it i know i think it's so important like women have obviously different struggles than men just alone in their own bodies and i think people women in general have just been so silenced for so long that if like

i said this i found out this back that back in the day that tampons and pads used to be covered with brown paper so that people wouldn't even see it when you walked by because you're made to feel so much shame around that no way yeah yeah and it's crazy because now um obviously that i've just it's always been like open with certain conversations and and that was always like okay to talk about but still that that's cut you know we've come a long way but it's still such a long way to go with with being open struggles and and then you realize how many other people are there right there with you. Totally.

And that's so liberating. It was one in eight couples in the U.S. have infertility struggles, which is a lot, you know, like, yeah. So I keep talking about it. We started a YouTube channel for where, so the whole quick version is we had a surrogate in Chicago, since I don't have uterus, can't carry, but I have ovaries so I can have a genetic child. And surrogacy is a felony in Michigan.

Michigan, like compensated surrogacy is illegal here. So we went to Chicago. We hired an agency, matched with a surrogate, and her husband were fantastic. We did three embryo transfers while I was living in Napa, and they all failed. So that was awful. Like moving back to Michigan, I was like parted ways with our surrogate, lost three of our amazing embryos. I'm changing my career. I don't know if I'm doing my life. So that just sucked. So it took like six months. And then John's like, we're starting this tasting company. I'm dragging your ass up off the floor. We're doing it.

You got this. So that just is amazing. That's important. That system because I was going to ask like, I mean, so because you use your platform, you have, you know, community of people that you can talk to or meet people that have kind of gone through what you have. But it's also so important to have that support system at home in every day life. I was going to ask how you got through that, how what brought you out of that. But it sounds like he did a great job.

Yeah, just staying busy and then refocusing my energy, I think, to like career minds instead of, I need this baby to be a complete person. And I think with the MRKH syndrome, there's a lot of feelings of feeling not like a complete woman because you're 50, so I never had a period. That's how I was diagnosed. Most girls are diagnosed that way. You're 16 and you're like, I don't know, period. And then nothing's there. And they get, you know, I had a genetic test to make sure I was a female. Like, because a lot of people, aren't trained in Emmerkage because it's so rare it's just it's a it's a development of it's a sexual anomaly like development wise so yeah he really every day you know but yeah reshifting my focus to you don't need a baby to be complete woman it's mean you are great on our own and we're killing it but then like a baby would be the cherry on top you know so I think that that mentality shift really helped yeah and when you were around 16 when you when you found out yeah that's a And so, yeah. I've done such heavy news like that.

Yeah. And there's two parts to it really. Like the biggest part is you can't have sex because your vagina, I don't know if this is too much. Oh, no, not at all. Okay. I feel like I've been talking about this for so long. I'm just like, oh, my God, vagina. No, this is like that's what I want to use my podcast for to share voices like this.

Okay. Of course. Cool. Okay. So the big, one of the big things is you can't have sex. So you have to dilate your vagina. your vagina, literally using a dilator to stretch it. So the skin is super stretchy. Like, we can have babies, you know? So, and then the second form is a surgery. And that is not recommended,

typically in the United States, in other countries it is. I dilated. At the time, I had a high school boyfriend, and he was also cheating on me. So, like, totally my brain. Like, he was the first I had sex with, like, everything was fine. And then he was cheating on me with this girl. And I was just like wrecked. Wrecked. That is awful. So I wasn't even thinking in my brain about the baby thing at that time because I was like, I don't care.

That's in like 20 years, you know. But like having sex and being a woman, that's huge. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's, I don't know if you watch Bachelor or Bachelorette, but that was a big part of my season was that I was open about having sex. and it was like very frowned upon in that franchise because you know they have the fantasy suite but we don't talk about that and I was open to talking about my sexuality and I feel like from talking about it at first was very controversial but now um now in the seasons that have passed since mine it started the show kind of evolved and it's it started to talk about that kind of thing and so I'm like proud of in the way so yeah you were one of the first to just be like this is it that's amazing yeah because it is it's part i mean to to each their own obviously people who are saving themselves credit to them too but it's it to me it is

part of relationships and being a one that's you know for you to go through that at the age of 16 while you're you know developing and trying to feel like a woman and then that happens that that's traumatic that was yeah so dramatic um but yeah i know and I feel you, it's such a part of a relate, like, I'm in my husband, we're when I stand. But, you know, like, it just happens. We were. Not a... Yeah, we were.

We were. And then he married me. Yeah. That's awesome. That can happen. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So then the second part is the baby thing, which now in my late, like, early 30s, it's starting

to be like, oh, okay, this sucks in a different way. So it really just wraps you of every single... stage of womanhood that's supposed to be a celebration you know it's like oh so resilience is a big thing if you look but my gosh well you've i mean you've done so much and lived so many like beautiful and you're obviously such a strong woman and chasing your passions and you've married an incredible man and you're yeah but i mean i'm not credit that would obviously just be so difficult but you're you're a strong resilient yeah as are you let's take a break and be real. We all need a break every now and then. But why not keep your brain active while

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No, I want to too. I remember hearing about once you said fire and water, is that what it was called? A blood versus water. Blood versus. Yeah, yeah. Once you said that, I, it, um, like, I, I remember hearing about that, but you know, that's crazy. I've only watched the first episode or the first season of Survivor. That's how I feel about Bachelor, Bachelorette, kind of. Yeah. Like, I fell off the wagon. My mom is probably a huge fan of yours because she loves Survivor. That's like her and my stepdad's show. I love that. There's a, there's a cult. It's not as big as ABC's cult following with Bachelor Nation,

but there's a call it's kind of cool no absolutely there is no people that's like it was like the OG reality show wasn't it wasn't it I think yeah it was one of the first for sure yeah people love that show it's it's a great great show I just could never do it we'll be right back with more off the vine grape therapy this is off divine grape therapy okay so you're going to teach me we're going to do a little wine 101 you're going to teach me a bit more about wine in general and the best way to go about tasting wine. So I have a few questions for you. And then I would love to hear some of your best tips and tricks.

So what are the good terms that I should use when talking to someone who knows a thing or two about wine? Like what are just a couple words I could use to sound like I can hang with the experts? So I like buzzwords, right? Like body complexity, the legs, all those things, right? Yes, complete. I said that once, and I didn't know what I was talking about, what I remember saying, it was complex. No, that's good.

That means that you're picking up more than just fruit on the wine. So the Pino, the Pino Group, your Pino Grigio. Yeah. It is I was getting more than just fruit. I was getting mineral and some herbal tones, like green grass and bell pepper, just slightly, but not a lot. You know what I mean? But also, I feel like,

wine is so subjective. So I can smell something that you don't or whoever does it. But it's cool to taste with different people because everyone brings something you need to, you know, the wine. I love that you said you tasted bell pepper. Did you taste green pepper or did you say bell pepper? Green pepper. Yeah. Like slightly. Okay. I, um, again, I knew a little bit of like things like that from the restaurant industry. And that's like one that always stood out to me about and that's, I always taste green pepper and certain wines if it's in there. Like, that's one thing I was like, oh, I remember that from wine tasting and I, like, pick up. Yeah, for sure.

Okay, and what about I have, somebody who's telling me that you're not supposed to say it's sweet wine and that it's off dry. Is that a thing? Like, they're saying that you shouldn't say it's sweet. Yeah. Because it's off dry. So sometimes people confuse sweet with juicy. so like the Pinot Noir is super juicy but some people think it's sweet you know what I'm saying oh yeah okay I like that so it's not super sweet but it's juicy yes so you're getting all that

fruit and floral and you're misconceiving it for sweet but it's not you know yes okay that's why I think I like this because a lot of my followers always are asking for a sweet wine but I'm like I don't want a sweet well maybe you do want a sweet one but I like I don't like I don't like sweet wines i like juicy yeah for sure very luscious yeah yeah like velvety and luscious juicy i love it yeah yeah like all of those terms okay yeah what uh oh i know some of these but for my vinos who might not know what do these terms mean tannins the tannins are from the grape skins and seeds so tannin is in your red wines and so that's how they get their color um and it's just that feeling in your mouth that dries your mouth out kind of like cotton mouth it's grippy um yeah okay i like

that um a wine a wine blend different great varietals that are all blended together a lot of red blends they're delicious yours are blends too yeah yes they are um fermentation fermentation is the process that converts the grapes to alcohol basically okay sulfites sulfites are found in all wine it's a natural byproduct of fermentation so sulfites are also in like dried apricots or dry fruit um and there's a small percentage of the population that is allergic to sulfites so it'll give you like a runny nose itchy eyes yada um and they've put a regulation on sulfite and how much you can put in wine and food after this shit went down with salad bars in the U.S. They were spraying salad bars with sulfites to like keep it fresh.

Isn't that crazy? And they're like, dude, people are like so allergic. So yeah. That's interesting. I feel like they do that on a lot of stuff like or do they not do that anymore because I feel like even at grocery stores, like how they have prepackaged something. I'm like, well, how does it stay fresh. Yeah. I feel like that's something with genetically modified things, like apples at Starbucks are just always not brown. And I'm like, I don't know about that. Just thinking the eggs, the like protein box at Starbucks, the eggs are always like perfectly cooked and the apples are never brown. Totally. That's exactly what I was referring to actually. I was like, why are these apples always perfect? Yeah. That makes me question it though. I'm like, what am I putting in my body?

the right way to hold different types of wine glasses so that we look like we know what we're doing because I mean I'm just addicted to this wine glass right here it's just like I love that love it but I like use it for all different wines I know you're not supposed to but um like white wine obviously you want to hold it at the stem right so it doesn't warm your glass right totally yeah so if I have a wine and so yeah I have the same shape these are you universal glasses. So you can put like anything in them. And if it's, if a wine is too cold and it's red, then I'll hold it like this. You're like, not so fantastic. But I'm like, no, I want to warm it up. So I'm going to change the heat. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's personal preference. Yeah.

Well, what is there like, okay, what if, is there a specific way you are supposed to hold other glasses? Like, is it any other way but holding the stem? Literally just holding the stem. Like, if you're in a fancy wine tasting, hold the stem for sure. Yeah. Or if you want to be like, oh, I really know what I'm doing, like hold the bottom. Like, whoa. Really? Do people do that? Yeah, I've seen people do that. And what is the actual temperatures to be drinking the different wine? Oh, gosh. I mean, I spot.

White is, I think, 44 to 55, and red is 65 or higher, no temperature. but Pino is between that. Yeah, because I like my Pino's chilled. Yeah, me too, for sure. And what are some easy pairings for different varietals of wine with some common food? Like, I personally don't eat meat, but what would I want to look for when I'm,

for people who, when they're drinking and eating steak or fish, like steak versus fish, or maybe a pasta or vegetable? Oh, I say pasta because I'm Canadian pasta. Pasta. I love that. I have been living on pasta during, quarantine. Oh, so good. So typically your fattier dishes, so bolognese steak, get a big tanic red wine, like really grippy. The tannins cut the fat in the meat. So it kind of harmonizes

together. And then your white fish salad, I feel like rosé goes with everything, a lot of vegetables, yeah. Typical rule for like cheese and wine is the cream. creamier, the cheese, the more acid you want in your wine. So like a white Sauvian blanc with really high acid or like the Pinotrigio that you have with a lot of acid will cut through like a brie. And so it's kind of like a contrasting situation. I get that. It's like, I don't know why this just came to mind. People don't know this. But when you're eating spinach, you know how you get that gritty feeling on your teeth? Yeah, yeah. You're supposed to eat pine nuts to cut that pretty and it doesn't happen oh dude that's literally like the thing that's the same thing

oh my gosh i wonder why that happens with spinach i don't know there's got to be something in it um what is the actual purpose behind twirling or spinning your wine in the glass before tasting it and do you do that with all wines or just reds all wines except bubbly because you don't want the co2 to escape so you want to just yeah um but it it exposes it to oxygen and creates more surface area around the glass so you can kind of get more aromas out of it as opposed if you're just like sitting there and you're like and then you're like wake up and then it's like yeah yeah i've noticed that i mean some of this i'm some of this i know and some i'm just like who teach me yeah yeah i know that everybody listening is probably getting a lot from

this too but um of course spade and it's already know has been released and uh it's time for us to drink it So put the wine tasting tips into action. We've got the Pinot Grigio, rosé, and Pinot Noir. So I've got the moor right here for the Pinot Grigio. Obviously, and it was part of the making process because I sat down with Max, who's a wine maker. And like, it wasn't like, I mean, we did taste a lot of wines while I was there, but we also came up with the perfect, like, taste that I love. Like, at one point, I didn't like the color of the rosé, but I like the taste.

And he, like, helped me with changing that so that I, was like very happy with the color and i didn't know you could do that till i was there that's so freaking cool i want to hear like all the things about how this all went down it well it's it's it's been a couple years because i didn't realize you know at first you think i have the platform and i like wine so i could probably have a wine and then you realize everything that goes into it with like like distribution manufacturing the labels the bottling like um corks versus screw tops Oh, I wanted to ask you about that. What do you prefer or do you have a preference?

I think that the cork is more traditional, and I think that the public perceives a screw cap as cheapy. But like Australia and New Zealand sell more screw caps than they do corks because they figure it out a way to have the oxygen go into the bottle to make it age just like a cork. Which, because cork taint, you don't want anyone to be corks or there's that whole thing. But I'd prefer corks for sure. I find quirks to be exactly traditional and like, I don't know why, but I say romantic. Yeah, totally. It's a part of like the romanticism of like popping the cork and opening the Bible. I like to hang on to them because I'm sentimental. Yeah, same. Or do you like a craft with it after?

Yeah, for sure. But I'm in a base. Yeah, that's what my mom has a whole thing like a, it's spelled out wine, but it's spelled with corks. Oh, I love that. So many fun things. Okay, let's take a minute to talk about some self. care. We all want to take care of ourselves, do the right thing to keep our bodies healthy in the long run. Sometimes that feels impossible to get all the essential nutrients we need on a daily basis, but that's why everybody loves ritual. It's the obsessively researched vitamin for women.

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Visit ritual.com slash fine to start your ritual today. Okay, so tell me about the pinodrigio when you tasted and what you like. And you can tell me about it too, if you want. I mean, I think, okay, so a lot of pinagrigia, as I feel like, are super, one dimensional. You can only get like two flavors out of them and you're like high acid like porridge pounder. I could totally get down in the whole battle. But I feel like this has a lot to offer. There was a lot that I got out of it. Like I was I was excited about it. Um, like it's it's citrusy banana. It's green like I was saying. There's some white floral coming out of it. And it's round on your palate. What does that mean?

like the texture in your mouth. Okay. So think of, okay, think of body in a wine, like skim milk, 2% milk and whole milk. Yeah. So like, what is this? I would say it's like skin milk. So it's light-bodied wine. You know what I'm saying?

I get it. No, that's it. That was a good bit, okay. And there's a polybarde in it, which is really cool. They blend that grape with a lot to kind of heighten the acidity. give the body or give it a little bit more body so I love that that's in here because I feel like that's I haven't really seen that that's cool that's good to know that's cool I have a question what is quince it's I think it's okay so this is like another thing like if you've never

tasted or smell the wine like I don't know you know I don't know what it smells like it's I think it's like leachy yeah yeah I think so because they they hints of that in there but I remember they said that because I remember talking about the leachy fruit but I was like that would yeah they yeah like when I sat down with all the winemakers and we made and I remember talking about and I then when they wrote out the notes they said quince so that makes sense yeah it's just like training your nose to smell all of those different fruits and just like building spocabular in your brain you know it's it feels intimidating at first but then you're like, wait, I'm just like memorizing fruit, you know? Yeah, exactly. I know you

overthink it. Yeah. It's like, this is just fruit and non-fruit. You're like, oh, it smells like, okay, you know, or like fresh rain. I don't know what that smells like. Just kind of building the vocabulary. I remember Ellen DeGeneres did like a whole thing tasting, and she was like obviously being hilarious about it, like, she smelled and it was a funny little skit she did. I love that. Okay, well, let's move on to the rosé. Okay. So you said it was a little darker than you wanted? It would be darker than this.

And then we made it a little bit lighter. And I think, because I think what people, and I don't know if this is a thing, but I think what people think is the darker, the rosé, the sweeter it is. Yeah, I could totally see that. So I wanted it a little bit lighter, but I really taste like melons in the rosé.

totally like straight up watermelon mango strawberry yeah yeah and yeah and yeah there's less gram it's less grams per liter of residual sugar than the peanut regio i saw which is cool because you think that it's more sugar but it's not at all exactly yeah and and the rosé and the white are vegan wines as well. That is so cool. Yeah. A lot of people don't even know that wine can vegan or not, but yeah. Yeah. So they don't filter it through any egg whites or any, any of that. Right. Wow. You like the rosé? I love the rosé. Good job. Oh, this is, I think it's so cool to blend on the rosé, too. Mm-hmm. Strat, temper, neo, bar Barbera, Grenache, Mavadra.

So Temprenia and Barbera are really cool to see in the rosé, too. I think that they might have given it a little bit of the darker color, but like, I think it's a ball. Really? Yeah. I mean, my other rosé, it was actually much darker than this one. And then I, like with Rose, obviously people want red wine to be a certain year, but if it's 2020, we should be drinking at 2019 rosé, right?

Like, you don't want anything early. Yeah, you want it fresh. Yeah, for sure. Why is that? Because obviously, that's different. Like, why is it that you want a red clue be like, you know, aged or like a different year where rose egg should? A rose. Okay. So typically in southern France, in the Languedoc and in Provence, those regions are known as like the wild west of France. Like, you just have fun, flirty wines, you drink them all day and like they're not serious wine. So I feel like Rose has that stigma where you like, don't age it for a long time. It's just meant to be drunk like in St. Chappelle out of the beach, you know. And so I think also because it doesn't have the backbone to age long,

just because it doesn't have the tannin, too. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, like you want to drink a rosé, it's, you know, it's light and fresh, fruity. Yeah. We'll be right back with more off the vine, grape therapy. Welcome to the Related Podcast.

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Pino Noir is something that really has grown on me lately. I used to always be about a cab. I mean, I like all wine. I don't love and I don't love. I was always just a cab person. And now I'm like a full-blown Pino girl. That's amazing. literally that kind of shows your palate is developing because I yeah that is a real thing like I started

with cabs and merloughs and now I'm all about Pinot because it's just it's light and fresh and fruity and it can show in so many different ways and it ages really well and it changes when it ages yeah somebody said to me oh you have a reserved palate and I was like sure yes you know that just shows that we a lot of wine. I'm just a very experienced drinker. Yeah, I mean, cheers to that. Do you see that bug just fly right into my eye?

No. A bug just flew right into the corner of my eye. Okay, what's the red? I mean, go into your wine. I have to rule myself that if a bug flies it to drink it. I don't know why I did that. Stop it. I literally, wait.

you drink the bug, you could totally kick ass on Survivor. I mean, it's usually right there. I started drinking wine. I don't know why it was like my thing. I was like, nope, I'll still drink it if there's a bug. But I don't know about Survivor. Like this, the whole thing with Survivor is I could not handle the little amount of food you eat in a day.

and the sleeping situations like yeah the sleeping sucks right yeah and that's like I need sleep to function and I feel like I would have like severe I already have anxiety and I feel like if I don't get proper sleep my anxiety is worse yeah same I feel the same way like I think anxiety stems from reality TV I don't know like I still have it I didn't have anxiety until I came off TV right That shit is so real. It is so real. Yeah, I feel you. And yeah, you know, the sleep thing really does matter, too.

Like, I don't function either if I don't get a good amount of sleep. John's like, I can function on four hours. And I'm like, I'll die if I don't evade. And that is my boyfriend, too. Same thing. And I'm a little nervous because I just got news that I'm going on dancing with the stars. I saw. I'm so excited.

Congratulations. Yeah. Thanks. I'm just, like, it's eight to ten hours in the studio. You're just exhausted and then you just like... Every day? Yeah. Dude, you're going to be ripped, though.

And you're going to be able to eat anything because you need to get carbs in. That's, well, even right now, like, I'm working with a trainer to, like, build a lot of muscle. Yeah. Because we need out so much on that show and you're just burning so many calories that I don't want to just like waste away i'm like i want to get so strong before i go in there totally oh my god i'm dead that's going to be so much wait it's eight to ten hours every day five days a week yeah i mean i'm sure there's breaks and certain things and press and stuff in there that you have to do but still it's like i just talked to my girlfriend well i didn't i didn't actually talk to her yet

but we've just been texting um and she just won it last season and she said like why you can't like you get you don't get much sleep Dang. Okay, so another show that I need to watch. I don't even know who won last season. Okay. He's 26 and I'm 34 and that's a big difference in like how you function with your body on rest. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm about to be 32 and I'm like, gosh, I'm like so different than I was. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like on my 35th, but my back, I was like, oh, this is how it's going to be? I'm putting like straight up CBD on my back now.

because my back hurt so much. I'm like, what is going on? That's same with me. I put CBD passed every night. Like I get Jason home with a little old woman. Same. Oh, my God. You got a good man.

John's like, give me the CBD stick. I'll put it on your bag. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. That's great. That's how you know you're getting old CBD on the back. What's it going to be like when we're 60? Like, shit.

No, I don't want to know. My mom is still a firecracker and, like, super, like, within a dancer and she still like goes for it all the time so I'm hoping and my dad's super young at heart too so I'm hoping that's genetics yeah for sure for sure and you know just do you're obviously doing what you love like yes laughing wine there's this like random culture or someplace in italy they did a study on and they're like why are these people all living after the age of 100 there was it was like 80% of them all in over 100 or something and they did this study and they ate lard and drank wine and they laughed a lot and they had community and that is

what they chalked it up to. I'm like, hell yeah. I love that. It's one of my favorite things to go to wineries and just like hear people that work there, it's their family winery and talk about the libraries of how they because it's always about just like family and community and and just like laughter and conversation and in the moment like yeah i just live for it and you can just see them light up when they talk about it and it's one of my favorite things about going to napa or like even Canada where i was from there's wineries everywhere um four hours from where i lived and it was favorite thing in the world oh my gosh that's yeah same and that same i love that i love what wine brings people together and it's just all family so i just went to um lake county in british Columbia

Yeah, that's what we're talking about. So beautiful. Oh, my gosh. It's my parents have a... Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it was a press trip with wines in British Columbia, and I had never been, and I was so excited, and it was right before COVID happened. And I was like, I don't care, I'm going. That's amazing.

You didn't have, like, the per weather, but it was still probably beautiful. Yeah, for sure. I had, like, a winter vest on, but it was beautiful, like, the mountain. mountains in the lake? Oh my gosh. It's one of my favorite people in the world. What what wineries did you go to? Do you remember? Oh gosh. I'm going to try to find it. No. No. There was like four and there was a winemaker dinner at the end of the night. But yeah, freaking beautiful. Yeah, it is. It's just the best. That's like I go out there for a month in Colonna. Every, every August of every year, I'll go for the whole month to my appearance.

And I don't think I'm going to get to go this year because of either COVID or dancing with the stars, but that's okay. There's always next. Oh, my God. Oh, so it was arrow leaf and intrigues. Those were my two faiths. Okay, yeah. I've been to the first, the second one you said. Arrowleaf, intrigue. Okay. Yeah, there's so pretty. I just can't even. Yeah, it is absolutely stunning out there. um before i let you go i want i want to hear your thoughts on the pino okay baking spices and vanilla it reminds me of like kind of the holidays and it's beautiful it's very pretty it is good freaking job on the pino yeah yeah i really it was a tough decision to go from the cab

to the pino but i know that i'm like i love it so much and i want other people to try it because I think they're going to love it so much. And I think people get intimidated by Pino's for some reason, which is so funny. Yeah, I feel like that has to do with Burgundy and Pino and burgundy is like the fancy region and it's all Pino, but you did such a good job on this Pino. I think it's amazing. Thank you. That means a lot to coming down. I appreciate it. Thanks. And I like that you called it. Yes, for sure. It's juicy with baking spices and vanilla. And it really reminds me of the holidays, but it's also very smooth, you know? Yeah, that's what I was going for because I feel like my last cab, that was like the number one thing people said was it was smooth. And I'm like,

okay, but I really want peanut. So I have to make it smooth. And that's why Max was so great. He's just, this wine app. He's incredible and he's actually like 26 years old and hung around him for like two minutes. He was like, who knows his stuff? He's incredible and you think he's way older than he is. Oh my gosh. That's amazing. He probably went to UC Davis or something for winemaking. Like they're so smart. Yeah, they are. He was just a ball of knowledge when it came to all the wines. And he wasn't snooty about it. Like he was like, I don't care what you taste. Like I don't care what just tip like what do you like what what can we put in it that you would like more and like it felt like it we really created a wine together instead of just like taste a bunch of being like

okay that one it feels like he really love that yeah it was cool but thank you for teaching me all this stuff today and i feel like gosh i feel like you and i would get along just fine i know right wine we got the dogs i'm i'm here for it girl i'm here for your fine i'm gonna go stalk your Instagram so I can see your dogs. And I, okay, so wait, I have one last question. Are your pajamas, like actual dogs? Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, there's ramen and peanut all over my pajamas. Will you please send me where you got those? I actually have no idea. So today a box arrives at my door and I opened up and it was these pink silk pajamas with peanut and ramen's face all over them. And I was like, this is the greatest gift of all time. I will never take this off. I want to go out in them.

I'm like obsessed. And there's no comfort and know anything. Like I have no idea where they came from. Wait. Do you think of fans like them to you or something? That's amazing. Nobody has my like exact home address. So I don't know.

I'm going to just put it on Instagram and be like, who sent me these hero? How can I like pay you for them? Oh my God. I want to send them as gifts to everyone we know that has. dogs so I love that okay wait I have one more question my big question so I saw on your Instagram story you were at Jason's parents and there was a Michigan State flag oh there was and I was like yes like you guys were like I'm like such a stalker right now but whatever they were like in the basement and you were doing it was when I think it was when your season re-aired

and John I was like wait John because my husband paid football for Michigan State We just have a quick, quick question for you while I'm on the pod. Because you saw, okay, you saw Michigan State flag. Her name's Jacqueline. She's on my podcast right now, and she saw Michigan State flag in your parents' house. Yes. Why? So my mom really has always been a big Michigan State fan for no real reason.

and so she forced me to go to not force me but she kindly asked that we go to do it to get at michigan so i did a i went and did an overnight there and we week my mom out towards the home campus and she really really wanted me to go there and i got accepted i got scholarship to go there and i decided not to go there she was so bummed that i decided not to go there but she still hung on to the fact that like in another lifetime she went there so you know like have starting gear and she's still a Michigan businessman for no reason for no reason in my mind that's hilarious that's hilarious wait what were you going to go because john played football there so what do you get her husband played together that's great football there well

jason was a soccer player okay here did your husband go there uh he graduated in 2010 when did you graduate Jason? Oh my gosh that's crazy that they won the Big Ten that year too you should have went

that's crazy that's funny it was so weird because like I just was watching it and I was like wait did like they go to Michigan State I didn't even notice that

that's like in there that's so funny that's that's amazing well tell your mom go green go white yeah tell your mom what is it go green go white go green go white oh yeah okay okay thanks babe bye bye i'm gonna send her a text that says that yes that's so funny i do what is that oh that's amazing oh my god i'm like such a stalker that's it's so funny because i mean i always just get so weirded out by how things happened and why and like how life could be different, you know, and Jason,

he decided to go. He went to Geneseo and then he somehow got on The Bachelor and he was on a different season than mine and like we would have never met if he said yes to going to Michigan. like it's just so weird how it's insane like I would have never like if that girl didn't post something about doing a pageant I would have never been like I want to do it to you you know and then I would have never talked about MRKH or met John or you know like it's just crazy it's weird the way the world works it's supposed it works the way it's supposed to right and things can change so fast like oh my god your life is about to change so much again with dancing with the stars that's I just spoke to a she's not a medium she is a spiritual guide um and she was like she didn't know my last name

she didn't know how to work a computer and she literally like looked at me and she was like you are meant to dance and like what yeah and she was like you're just your heart is calling your angels are telling me that you need to dance and i was like okay and she pulled a dance card from her deck yeah that is a real thing oh my gosh. That's crazy. I totally believe in that stuff. I just got white sage. I'm all pumped because we're about to start our next surrogacy embryo transfer. Oh, yes. So I'm like, I'm saging COVID out of our house. Like, we don't have it, but like I'm all the energy. Save and we'll get everybody that's listening to the podcast right now to send you all of the positive energy and I will do the same. And

you're just so lucky. And I appreciate you being on a podcast. And next time we're in the same city somehow, the universe will make it happen and we'll drink wine yes that would be amazing thank you so much you are lovely as well it was so nice to meet you your wines are bum i'm going to be a big big wine guy club fan now yes look at that thank you cheers cheers and tell everybody where they can follow you Mish, J-A-C-L-Y-N-M-I-S-C-H. And my YouTube channel, too. I do Wine 101-1-O-1-1s on my YouTube and wine recommendations. Is it under your name?

Yep, under my name. I'll do like three wines under $20 that you need to try. Oh, amazing. Okay. Wine 101. Is that what it is? Yep. Yeah, it's just my name, Jacqueline Mish.

Okay, and just your name. Okay, awesome. We will all be thinking about you and we'll all go follow you as well. Yay. Thank you so much, Caitlin. Okay, thank you. Have a good night. You too.

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