Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Jump the shark or jump the fence? with Jason Tartick

Episode Date: March 7, 2019

Kaitlyn and Jason recap the latest episode of the Bachelor as the drama heats up and we finally get a pay off for the infamous fence jump, Kaitlyn shares her feeling on the chaos of women tell all, and they answer questions from fans like you including an impromptu call to another Bachelor alum for the inside scoop. Flamingo - Check out ShopFlamingo.com/vine to get free shipping and your shave kit for only $16 Liquid IV - Visit Liquid-IV.com and enter code VINE for 20% off your order Tommy John – Go to TommyJohn.com/vine for 20% off your first order See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. I'm here with Jason. We are sitting on the floor of his apartment in front. Sorry, condo. You always correct me on that. No, I don't. It's a condo.

No, I don't give a shit. Well, we're sitting in front of a fireplace. Drinking wine, podcasting from the floor. It's quite romantic. This is Wednesday night, so this is going to hit your ear holes on Thursday morning. Nice little fireside shit. We were just listening to the Beatles. We got some wine going.

We're about to go for dinner, and we're like, Oh, yeah. Pump the brakes. I have got a podcast about Monday's episode of The Bachelor. I had a podcast that was supposed to come out tomorrow, but I've had so many people on Twitter and be like, we can't wait to hear your thoughts on Monday's episode that I was like, you know what?

I'm with Jason. Got to give the people what they want. And that's a Bachelor recap. Also, I'm going to take this moment to pump your tires. All right. Because I know you won't do it yourself. Well, maybe. Yeah, I would.

But everyone out there listening. The queen, the one, the only, the Caitlin Bristow. She is the number one female podcaster in the whole country of Canada. And she is in the top 40 in the world. Just want to put that out there. That's pretty. I'm actually, I'm sitting here by the fire. I don't know if it's because I'm nervous.

I'm with top cheese. I don't know if it's because the wine is. kicking in but go you you can always pump my tires i mean anytime i'll take it there you you're welcome you owe me one and i feel very proud of myself so yeah that's because i beat you in monopoly oh and here he goes to tear me down he builds me up and he tears me down what do you call that the compliment sandwich it's a compliment sandwich you uh tell me something great and something i need to work on monopoly now you got to end with a compliment yeah i will tell you right Now, this was really impressive.

Caitlin and I went on a workout this week together. We did one of the trainers I work with. You should have seen, not only does this girl kick ass on the podcast with her business is. Is she funny? You should have seen this animal in the gym. What? Really? You crushed it.

It's like you walked in that gym and you turned a different gear. You're like, okay, you know, I have my arm around you. You're like, get your arm off. I'm in the zone. Watch out of all. Don't touch me. I'm a beast mode. All right.

I'll step my game up. What? That's so funny. I just feel like I go in and I just want to get it done and I want to work hard and then get out. You did well. And the trainer, Connor Rose, Beauty, Pro Sports Club, give him a plug. He was like, here, use the 20-pounder. You're like, well, Jason went up and weighed.

I want the 30-pounder. Actually, I did 35. God. It goes to that. I did 35. So anyway, that's my compliment sandwich. Okay, thank you. I will eat it up and it was delicious.

I appreciate it. Anyways, okay, Bachelor Monday was a doozy. Finally, we can say it was the most dramatic episode. Ever? Ever. In one episode. I mean, it's always dramatic, but this was actually dramatic. I felt it.

I felt the soad. I mean, you think about in one episode, you had Chris Harrison losing his shit, drop, dropping F bombs, which he never does. You have parents of the cast coming into town, and you literally have the lead, bachelor ripping off his mic saying i'm done when does that happen and i think he got lost yeah i mean i think that what happened is he jumped the fence it's can i tell you what this

reminds me of what it reminds me a truman show yeah when jim gary hits the end of the wall he's like i'm walking out the door yeah walks out and we're like what what do we do yeah i felt bad for him. I felt bad for Colton that this episode. I think in general this was an episode of it was like, it's everything you would want in an episode. It was laughing in the beginning with these funny sexual innuendos

about him being a virgin so he can't stretch in his pants and not being able to pop a bottle of champagne and then it took this turn where he's shaking and he's crying and her father's involved and he's distraught. It was it was hard to watch as his friend.

I'll tell you what wasn't hard to watch was his date with Tasia. That is a great date. That is just those two, it's just an easy relationship. It's really fun and flirty. And I mean,

we go back and forth all the time and I was thinking, is it a friendship or a romantic relationship, which we found out indeed that it is a friendship. It's a friendship. It's, you know, but think about their dates,

man. They went bungee jumping. They went skydiving. Now they have a private helicopter taking them over Portugal. Unbelievable. But it's not like there's no sexual chemistry between them. Oh, they're sexual

chemistry. Yeah. I mean, they're kissing, they're flirting. He's being very corky, which is how he is as a person. He's having to fun. She was like, oh, my boobs are going to come out on national television. He's like, oh, I got it. I got you, girl. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. So I would say everything leading up until the fantasy suite until the morning

was like, everything was, it was great. Yeah. And then this is why they need to have the cameras come in the morning after the fantasy suites, which they started doing on my season is for these exact moments because otherwise that wouldn't have made sense we would have been like what what happened that was a great relationship they had so much fun they probably

were up all night making out and doing whatever and then in the morning we got to see that she was like wow that's not what i thought it was going to be and and there was like no connection or chemistry it was a 180 from the night to the morning yeah so obviously whatever happened um didn't suffice or it just didn't work out yeah but i just wonder i mean what I don't know. I want to ask you that. What? Ask me. You talk a little bit louder. From a guy who never went to the fantasy suite.

Yeah. To a girl who's had her fair share of the sweets. Oh, God. That's actually just, I can't. I might drop the mic and be out. It's really unbelievable. We need more wine. Wait, you're one of those people that just assume what goes on in the fantasy suite.

I'm not assuming, but anyway, moving up. So tell me how for seven weeks, actually I want to take one step back for a second, I feel like you and I have been Team Tasia for a while. Yeah. She's articulate, good family. She had her marriage. She got out of her marriage. She's articulated that well. And she's where she is and she knows where she wants to go.

But for the little I've seen on social media or Twitter, I just don't understand. Are people on the same page? Are people team Tasia? Well, I haven't been really looking into what people are saying because I just get so pissed. off and go into attack mode. Queen clapback over there. Yeah, the clapback queen. The clap back queen from Lady at Berta.

I don't know what that was. I didn't really, I didn't pretend it didn't happen. I just, I get so frustrated, but I haven't really seen anything about Tasha, to be honest with you. No Tasha for Bachel. I mean, people are very wrapped up in what happened with Cassie and Colton. That's true. I mean, and again, I'm not diving into this, but I'm not seeing much Tasia for Bachelorette or

team Tasia. And that's what I don't get, because that's where you and I are on board with. Because they want a story. Tasha's story would only be that she's been married before. Okay. What is Hannah G's story? She got no story, and that's why she probably won't get a bachelor's. And what is Cassie's story?

Cassie's stories that she left. Okay. Caitlin has a pretty impactful story. Yeah. What is, I've heard the rumblings, maybe Hannah B. What's Hannah B story? Well, she just needs to be loved fiercely, and she was, she was misunderstood on this season. So I'm going to go back to the original question.

Do you think they wouldn't say Tasha because she doesn't? I don't know. I was just trying to, like, think of anything. I don't know. I think Tasha would make a great bachelor. So, well, I guess we'll never know. Maybe it's the sick, sick world of social media, and they're going off, like, who has the most followers? I don't know.

True. Anyways. There's also, I mean, there is a possibility somehow, some way, even though I think we all felt in our bones, Coton wasn't into it in the morning. There's a possibility. It works out with them. There's two left.

Cassie's gone. Well, I'm trying to think of, wait, they didn't even show Hannagy this episode. No, she wasn't here. Oh, yeah. So I'm excited to see what happens next episode with, like, how it if somebody came back and explained what just happened like why would hana g want to stay if he's like uh cassie he just said cassie was the one he was going to pick her he loved her he was shaking

because she was going to leave he saw her at the end of it yeah but what what the hell do you even do right now you have tasha who you had clearly good chemistry with but in the morning you woke up and it's a friendship and i think we could all see that and maybe maybe i'm making an inference, but that's my inference. You have Cassie who just walked away and went home, and now you have Hannah G, who you gave the first impression rose with, and all we've seen is intense physical chemistry. What are you doing?

What the hell are you doing, man? What are you doing? I don't know, but I just can't get over the... Have you ever been so upset in your life that you've started to vibrate, like shaking? I never have. Well, you're lucky, okay? Have you? Yeah.

Yeah. I remember one time I thought this guy was cheating on me. I see he still could have been. I don't know. But I saw something on his phone and I'll never forget. My whole body just started vibrating. Like I was just so hurt and scared and like didn't see it coming. And just I remember that exact feeling.

It's like you feel sick to your stomach. You feel like you're going to faint. And then your whole body, body just starts vibrating because you're so upset and you like lose your breath. God, you've lived a good life. Well, no, no, no. What are you like? So I think everyone has different like signs of when they're nervous. Like what are your, is those your signs?

It wasn't nerves. it was like it was like sheer panic sadness heartbreak yeah exactly what colt was like when i'm nervous that whole like fight or flight i have to leave like i just have to leave the situation i can't stay calm composed sitting i need to leave i just like i just get up and go kind of like hold that i jump over the fence you would have jumped over the fence yeah but i don't i don't shake but one of the most disappointing things was when Chris Harrison goes up to the fence pulls that a couple times

and then just presses the button and that's when we saw that the fence was actually the height of Chris Harrison and that it was actually a no-brainer that Colton could jump over it was like we were calling him like dude this guy needs to get in the Olympics this guy could jump

no I could have jumped in fact and after seeing you at the gym the other day you can jump In fact, I would like to reach out to whatever resort that was, do a little brand deal, tag them, a couple posts, just to try and see if I could jump the fence. We need to do that. Okay. Let's go to Portugal. Why not?

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Have you ever thought? Like when you were the lead, did you, and I don't really wanted to get into this. Yeah, of course I wanted to quit. But guess what? Under contract. You don't. I would like to know what happened with his contract and what kind of trouble he was in for that because. He set new boundaries.

Yeah, now all the leads are going to be like, well, Colton did it. I'm going to quit. Tell the girl who it is. He literally told her, you're the one I wanted to pick. So he can't go forward from that. It's not like he can be like, oh, well, now I'll move forward with the show, even though she's gone with the other girls. Like, he can't do that. The other interesting thing is a cast member, you're in that position.

And it's almost like you know that the lead can't tell you certain things, right? Like, you know that the bachelor, bachelorette, in my case, Becca is not going to say that stuff, especially to me. But Cass had to be a little bit like, wait, what do you mean? When he's like, you're the one, there's three girls. And he's a, she's probably like, whoa, wait, what? So people were giving her crap because they thought she was going to, that she was there to be the Bachelorette and then she was like letting herself go. But I think anyone can agree that if your dad came and told you that they didn't see it, you'd start questioning everything. It's kind of a life-altering decision.

So let's take a step back to that. Imagine that situation. Your mom or dad walks in and tells you that. Yeah, I would probably second guess everything. Everything. I mean, there's probably not anybody that's as important in her. her life as her father and his opinion and so i think that's why and i don't think people are giving cast enough credit she's getting a lot of hate on social media a lot of hate and i want to go

after every single one of them yeah i mean you can understand a little bit right when all the people in the house are saying she's in there potentially for the wrong reasons and then he's literally i mean colton was saying and this is where i want to give colin credit he handled this so well he said to her he said you don't have to make a decision you don't have to get engaged we don't have to we can just be in a relationship just don't leave me I mean he was he was pleading he was begging and shaking and shaking oh that was sad and she still left yeah but she was very confused when she left yeah oh for sure you left I agree I'm very very I was going to say excited wrong word the manner in what she was crying I mean it was deep it was

It was all very heavy. I think we can agree there. There's like fake cries and real cries. That was a real, real. And she looked like her, she looked like a lost little puppy. Like her eyes were lost. I'm getting sad again.

Her eyes were lost. I'm really, I'm not going to say excited to see next week. I'm just so, I need to see what happens next week. Which is crazy. They got me. They sucked me right in like a tractor beam.

They got me. What happened last night? When we were watching Women Tell All, What happened? You left the room and you're like, I'm done. Whiskey bat? I drew myself a bath. I poured myself a drink and I said, I can't do this.

I cannot sit here and listen to this nonsense. It's not, that's not, that wasn't even good to be at that point. That was a lot. Everybody was talking over each other. Everybody was just being rude. The whole freaking pacifier, which was obviously, premeditated, you don't just carry a pacifier in your pocket of your dress that doesn't have pockets and shoved it in her mouth. I would have, I would have dropped the mitts. I would have

punched that bitch right in the face. We were watching hockey before and I'm like, this is a better scrap right here. Now I'll tell you, you're already going to women tell all. And I'm still like stuck on Colton. He's shaking. He pushed the camera, jumps over the fence, leaves everything and he's done. Yeah. That was in We were literally in like almost tears from that. Do you get a little side story? He got lost. He actually didn't know where he was and kind of panic.

Is that how they found him? Yeah. No way. He like ran and then he was like in the bushes and the production actually couldn't find him. Like everybody was pretty worried. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But what do you?

I'm like so, yeah. It's just like I felt I was so distraught for him. I was so distraught. And has any, okay, I'm going to say this. And I just, I feel bad for him because so how many people have left voluntarily at this point? He's got to be confused. Did that happen in your, did a lot of people leave voluntarily? Well, a lot of people voted for a different girl than me.

Oh, yeah, different ballgame. Yeah. I think that people's lead always assume, I'm going to get the rows. I can't wait to get the rows. I'm going to get the next date. But this is it's a two-way street. Yeah. And, I mean, we saw, so Sydney left, Elise left, Heather left, Cassie left.

This is me just trying to, like, spit ball at the top of my head. Wow, that's really impressive that you remember all these names. That's all I got. But that is, it's crazy that that many people left. But I kind of respect that they did, though. If you're not feeling it, you know, you don't just try and make it to the end to be Bacheloret or be, you know, the one, the winner. And also, I'll play Devils Advocate.

Maybe it's not because they didn't. think they were feeling it maybe that's because they saw how into Cassie he was I mean yeah yeah those are things we don't see yeah you know in the back of the back of the back of the yeah that's fair the back of the booth all right we can now go because I started saying all those names and I was thinking about last night like they would they would show the camera like the person they'd be talking and literally every single time you're like who the hell's that that's that's every season who's this every single season that I watch men tell all or women tell all I'm like Who are these people?

And where is Elise? So each, oh yeah, Ali, where that was Elise? Apparently she had a wedding. How do you know that? I just saw it on Instagram or Twitter or something. But no, it was funny because like one person who you didn't know would get one line and you'd be like, well, she blew that. That was her shot. It's like you know all this stuff.

I would love to have had my mom and Rob's commentary for this because they're hilarious. They're like, okay. Like when it was your season and Jordan had mom's like, this is his opportunity to come up with the catchphrase. This is going to be your thing. Like, this is your way to, like, go out big. Let's go. And he said something.

Actually, he did say the whole, like, slurpy thing. The slurpy thing was funny. He's got the kind of guy who pulls up to you next to you with a 7-Eleven slurping. And you know what? You give me that look. I just roll my window down. I throw it in your face and it's over. Like, he had stuff planned.

But I actually had to leave last night because that, to me, that was a very immature women tell all. I understand that it's always going to be, you know, the girls squawking at each other and and people talking over each other. but this one that was like it was so painful to watch and I just didn't feel like anyone was being genuine like nobody was actually upset at each other

they just wanted their face time on TV they wanted to be dramatic and outrageous and you know work the crowd and do their audition for paradise and I don't know you and I did a rap battle last time we podcast it reminded me of like a people like getting their two lines and having a rat battle chirp in each other

yeah but rap battles requires skill were skill and most of the chirps were brutal. They weren't even good. Like the pacifier thing? I'm like, oh. That was dust. Or that when the girl said thank you next, I'm like, no.

The thank you next was off. No. But what else happened? What did I miss? I missed Colton even coming out and having his turn. What was interesting is like, so Kaelin was, you know, seemed to be like well respected and amongst your peers, but people were going after Kailen. The girls were?

Yeah. Nicole or Nikki was going after Kailen. Um, there was a, there was a whole handful of them going after, I felt like. Hmm. Interesting. It's, what, let me ask you this. Hannah B. Kalin.

Is that, are we done with the whole pageant off? I don't know. I always said, you know how they made Brit go against me. I'm like, if they do that to the pageant girls, one that is, I, they should have saved it. You know, Brit against Caitlin didn't really make sense. We're two very different people and different, tasted men, different career paths, different, like, everything. Or Ms. Carolina versus Mississippi, Alabama. Miss Carolina.

That's their missed opportunity. You know, they could have saved it for that. They can't do it again because they got shot on too badly when they did it to us. They won't do it again. But again, pageant off, come on. I liked your tweet when you're like, these girls are just auditioning for Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah. But that happens every season.

It's just a big audition. The only thing I would have to say is I do think there was Hannah B to me, like if you said most improved player. Yeah, yeah. Hannaby. Yeah. Her look was different. Her style was different.

She was very composed. They gave her the toast. She nailed the toast. And the things that I will say that resonated, which I don't know, we're real. And she's like, I'm going to find someone who loves me fiercely. And I won't allow myself to not feel chosen every single day. Like those are, those are powerful words. Some people were calling it needy.

I called it relatable. Yeah. I want to be loved fiercely. I want to be chosen every single day. I think it's like self, self-love, self-worth. Yeah. This is my expectation, and I won't settle for anything less. And God bless her for saying that, put it out there.

Yeah. I also thought she was, like, the most natural. Like, you talked about, like, a lot of acting and staging and crying and laughing and passive players. Do you think she was the most natural? Do you think she was buttered up? What does that mean? To be a bachelorette.

Do you think they were buttering her up and kind of prepping her or, you know what I mean? I think she was her same, like, goofy self. She's like, listen, Colin doesn't like me. That's fine. I loved them. It was what it was. I did this. I said that.

I thought she was like the realist. She was the most authentic. Maybe she, if she was coached, God bless the coaches. Because I thought she was like the most authentic and the most real. She did a great job. She did a great job. She did a great job. Most improved player.

And I would actually enjoy watching her as Bachelorette. And that is a mixed review, but I would. I think she'd be funny. I think she would be herself. I think she'd be like, you know, I don't think she'd try and be perfect. I think she would just let, let herself go with the process and let everything play out the way it would in her real life.

We talked about stories for a minute. Do you think there's anyone there? You're like, you know what? I'm rooting for their happiness. I really want to see them cross that line. Hanna B. You think Hannaby will be funny and real, but are you like, I can't wait for Hanna B to find love?

Well, no, because I think all of these people going on these shows can find love easily. But that's what I think is a little, And maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I think it's a little different. But I kind of like that because I feel like they would usually go for like the Hannah G's or the Kalins or the, you know, but I feel like Han to B is a nice little change of pace where she's a little insecure in a very cute way where she's still self-aware and she's still like knows what she wants. But she's like kind of owns her insecurities and that's relatable. Yeah, for sure. So I feel like I'm rooting for her the most, to be honest with you. And I'm excited to see who Hannah B is. is.

Like, you know, you don't really get to know people on these shows until they're the lead. You get to know them a little better. She's self-proclaimed as Hannah Beast. That's a sick name. That's pretty bad ass. It's gangster. Why didn't I think of that, Caitlin Beast? I was just Caitlin B.

Do you know that when they came to mic me up for Night 1 of The Bachelor, I saw Caitlin B on the mic pack, and I was like, God damn it, there's another Caitlin. I was like, God, otherwise I wouldn't have an initial. Also, one thing you probably forgot is when they go through the introduction of each name. you didn't say a word for one person. And then there's a Caitlin from Toronto. And you're like, yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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There's a lot. So we'll just, I'll keep my eye on the time and we'll see how many we get through. This one made me laugh. And I'm also, I don't know if this is serious. Megan Barry says, who's Jane? So there was, there was someone named Jane. I still have no idea who she was. Did she go home night one, obviously?

She must have. I have, but she was speaking a lot. And then, you know what was interesting real quick. there were many people that kind of had like big characters or roles in the show like Heather never been kissed yeah breeded the Australian accent yeah neither of those two girls mummered a word yeah well because maybe they're just actually like don't want to get involved in the craziness that's fair just because you've never been kissed doesn't mean you've never been in a social situation and then you don't know how to behave no I understand she was

actually just having social etiquette yeah but have an opinion like chime in a little bit you lived in the house for eight weeks could have been edited out yo dog great twitter handle fantasy sweet week do girls have the chance to get wax through the season or are they just on their own there can you not answer that please well it's not like i'm the only one in the world that's ever been a fantasy suites wine please you can you can ask someone to take you to get waxed yes natasha caser i'm rooting for cassie and colden however why would cassie go on The Bachelor if she didn't think she could fall in love and potentially end up engaged. I mean, we're on season 23.

We know what happens. I'm going to back up Cassie on this one because nobody ever thinks it's going to happen to them. You could want to be like, oh, I'm going to go on the show. That would be, oh, my God, if I fall in love and get engaged, that's like what dreams are made of. You can still, but you don't ever walk out of that limo and go, it's going to be me. I'm going to fall in love with this man and we're going to get engaged and live happily ever after. Yeah, and it's a lot of emotions. too, you get out of the limo, you don't talk to your family, your friends for six, seven weeks, until you see him in hometowns. There's just a lot going on. It's emotional overload. That's for sure. Yeah. Lauren wants to know, do you think Cassie was looking for an out? Do you think she was that into him? I think she, I saw a really confused Cassie that had a predetermined idea of what she was doing. I think she went into that night saying no matter what, I'm going home. And in confusion and back and forth and even when Colton was like comforting her,

I think she's like, listen, my gut said I'm going home. I'm going home. And she's stuck to it. And you know what? I'm going to say something. Maybe she did go on the show to become the Bachelorette. I don't think that makes you a terrible human. And like maybe she was like, hey, that'd be cool if I went on, you know, had a good experience, ended up being the Bachelorette.

And then maybe she was like, damn it, I fell in love. But she didn't want to fall in love. And like you said, you saw a confused Cassie. We're all human here. why do we all sit on our couches and watch the show because it's relatable and we can all relate to messy feelings and relationships and confusion and so but then as soon as we have the opportunity to pounce on somebody for their vulnerability we do it it's silly really it's silly i think i mean she had the chance to go hang and spend a night with colton and she decided against it it's not like we were down to the final people that are saying she clearly wants to be the bachelorette we're not down to to the final two at the altar and she's walking away there's still a lot of time to be had I think she just had her mind up going into the night and she was sticking to it especially after talking to her dad steenabina would jason Tarduk have made it over that fence

my preconceived notions looking at the fence were hell no when I saw chris Harrison walk through it I know Chris is about six foot and his head was at the top absolutely the question is How much wine would I have had that night And when I had been able to put it together You're so clumsy too You probably would have like tripped over your own feet Before you even got to the fence and just went face first So here's a deal I'm definitely clumsy

But like as you know in like moments you can't be clumsy When I'm focused I'm not clumsy I saw that Instagram video where you went to do the box jump And you jumped up and then you fell on it You were focused That was brutal You're clumsy I'm clumsy final answer

final answer Lucy says do you think that when it came down to the fantasy suite with Tasha Colton realized how he wanted to share that intimacy with Cassie instead also do you think Colton was projecting feelings on to Cassie?

I think he went based on the way he acted with Cassie I think he went into Fantasy Week saying I'm giving it all to Cassie but what's tough about that answer is what we're all failing to realize Hannah was like the in my opinion Hannah was the front runner She had the first impression rose.

They're making out every, they're during, it's nonstop. Yeah, but the front runners are never like, they usually end up being the bachelor or the Bachelorette. Wait a second. Every single season for the Bachelorette in the last like three, four years, the people have gotten the first impression rows have gone on to get engaged. Only on the Bachelorette. That's, yeah, it's true.

Check your facts. Check my facts. Fact check. Fact check. Nora O'Leary, do you think. the producers did colton a disservice by casting so many young women this season yes i just i didn't see a lot of chemistry this season i didn't there wasn't a lot of chemistry there wasn't a lot of chemistry we talked about a lot of girls voluntarily left i didn't see a lot of chemistry it was an interesting

cast i would love to be a fly on the wall for those decisions i think at the end of the day though it was ratings wise or social media wise this season has blown up only for the fence jump i think social media wise it's been the biggest season ever but that's because that will always happen it's social media just keeps getting bigger and bigger and people know that they can see behind the scenes now of social media you can like it exposes so much it exposes people and you can follow along be like well what's going to happen next or what are these people doing now because if I see them out being all happy, are they really heartbroken? It's like social media is just getting bigger and bigger for the show.

And it has since, it really started on Crystal season. That's when social media really started to get big. Could you imagine, like, being production, you have to figure out everything that's going on. And then you have to deal with all these people who have been eliminated or not eliminated and what they're doing and how they're doing. God, God bless them. But I don't know. See, Sam said has any other bachelor ever just told their final pick that early that it was them?

I really can't remember if that ever happened before. And now I don't know how he can end up with anyone but Cassie next week. I made the mistake of saying that off camera. But I knew I had to go through with other relationships due to the format of the show. This is where I would love to talk to Colton and be like, how did you get away with that? Because that is such an illegal move to tell the person you're picking them. Flag on the way. Because of a couple of reasons.

Things can change. the last couple weeks. You can think you're choosing someone and you can actually just get to know them better in the fantasy suite or on a couple hometowns or them meeting your family and things can change. So you really shouldn't tell that person until the very, very end because you do have to continue with your other relationships. So I'm wondering how that went for Colton with production. Were you happy? This is a question from me, that my breakups weren't on the little montage of breakups. What's the montage breakups?

Remember they were showing all the like tough breakups? Oh, I was. Remember that? Yeah, but the thing is they were showing when people left early. They weren't showing like an actual breakup. They were showing any time someone like shocked somebody else and was like leaving before they sent them home. Didn't even recognize that. You're right.

So wait, no, none of those, none of those from the clip were actual breakups like they. It was just like shocker breakups. Yeah. Wow. I didn't catch that. Yeah. Stephanie Ackerman says, whose DMs was Kailen in?

It was said twice during Women Tell All, but they never explained it. And it said, precious cast members, so maybe Jason or Blake, was Caitlin sliding into your DMs? Caitlin was not sliding into my DMs. Oh, I just got fired up there. Blake, bring him on the podcast and ask him. I think it's Blake. Should we call him? No.

Yes. All right, I'll call him. He's going to panic. We can't put him in that position. Okay, then we will. No, because now people are going to want to hear it. Okay, let's call him. I'll ask another

Someone said That someone tweeted To a hint that it was Dean Did Caitlin slide into more than one guy's DMs Deanie babies Interesting Blake so we are We're we are

I'm with Caitlin Hi We're we're podcasting right now Who's yelling in the background Is that a dog? Virtual reality right now Look at Brandi right now Brandi Cyrus just

Oh they're doing virtual reality right now. Look at them. Eric and Brandy are shooting each other right now. It's like you're in this virtual world. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So, Blake, we got to put you on the spot right now because we have a Q&A. Answer however you see fit. But what was the question?

Somebody wants to know if Kalin is sliding into yours or Dean's DMs. Because yesterday a woman tell all they were saying that people were accusing Kalin of sliding into people's DMs. And Caitlin said, was it you, Jason? Was it Blake? And I said, it definitely wasn't me, but we could call Blake and ask him if he knows anything about this. So, no, it was not me. From what I've understood, she just slid into Dean's DMs before the show.

That's what I've heard anyway. Before the show. See, I knew Blake would know something. Okay. Yeah, see, I always got the dirty deeds. So this was before she even was cast it? Yeah, but I think, like, long before. Like, I think it was like two years ago from when I was.

Oh, what a dirty dog! Blake comes through with the deeds. Okay, so we're no, we just need someone to clarify it, but we're going to... That's what it is. Okay, that's what it thinks. We're going to wrap it up. You guys have fun with your virtual reality. Thanks, Blake.

See you, babe. Absolutely. Anytime, guys. Love you. Bye. Love you. Matt Nicola's... So it was Dean.

Oh, my gosh, she slid into his DMs early. How do people, like, find that out? That's insane. Matt McCola. says, can you please be the bachelor again and save us from what would be the worst season ever? Sorry, Jason, but we need her. Do you mind? Could you just, my famous line, take a knee?

Where's Matt from? Seattle. Oh, Matt, we live in the same city. That's an issue right there. Ro. Here's the answer. No. Not even if I got a big paycheck from it.

Just kidding, I would never. Erica McCann wants to know, are we getting? getting a golden retriever. Two. Two. Although we did. Oh, yeah, we discovered a new dog. So my favorite, okay, my favorite dog is a golden retriever.

Yeah, my top two favorite dogs tied and number one are Germans and golden retrievers, German shepherds and golden retrievers. And we discovered that there is, what is the name of the dog? You tagged me in it. A golden shepherd. A golden shepherd. A mix of a golden retriever and a German shepherd. So freaking cute.

And for the record, we're both all about adopting, but we saw that and we're like, oh, my God. I know, like, is there any way you can, like, I'm sure you can still adopt or rescue one. We would just have to do some serious research. But, like, my thing is, like, I want two. I want them to be, like, best friends and play and have a good time. But we have to adopt. Yes, 100%. Rescue all the way.

Rescue all the way. I have a question from, this is Instagram nerd, ELJ. And they said, how do you turn a friendship into something more than that? And I think they're referencing how you and I, we started everything off with friends and everything like that. I don't think it's a how it just happens. I don't think you can even describe it. Yeah, it doesn't.

I mean, I think like from the get-go, there was some chemistry and flirting and fun. But also it definitely took, like, we were in that friend zone. And it definitely took. You put me in the friend zone. We put it. Yeah. I will tell you this, texting is the worst. Because texting, you don't know tone, you don't know body language, you don't know anything.

So what I would say is get together in person. Yeah. Because that's how you'll be able to tell. Yeah. When I saw you in person, I was like, oh, I think I've a crush on you. Well, but I saw you in person on the podcast and I was like, oh, man, that guy's cool. Whoever dates him is lucky. Then I saw you in person the next time after we'd been texting.

And then I was like, wait, do I have a crush on him? Is that how it went down for you? Nope. I had a crush on you the whole time. Oh, yeah. I did you didn't watch any of my seasons that I was on ever though and I know and I won't well and I won't I won't well well I'm tongue twisted right now you're getting all up I was what I was thinking was I might in podcast from fancy sweet ton moving forward I might opt to stay out of

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I know you had some rough patches. you think they can make it assuming he ends up with her she said it's very hard you will definitely run into some major issues um but i think what he has on his side is that he was very sure of her and they got to air that you know what i mean like on all other seasons they make it look like there's somebody else and they will edit that way whether it's true or not they will always make it looked like there's somebody else. Where with Colton's, Cassie won't have to deal with the fact that he was feeling something for other people if they ended up together. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah. I get that. And I think for, I mean, so you wouldn't understand this much better

coming out of a relationship being on the show. So I think this is a question geared for you. But I think they're going to have to obviously reestablish trust and confidence in the relationship and where the rat. I think it's going to be, usually it's harder for the person who the lead picks because they have to deal with you falling in love with other people. Interesting. And this might have to be the other way around that Cassie might have to reassure Colton a little more. If they end up together. And that probably has never happened before, has it? No, but you know what I will say? And if this is weird, because we're talking about my last relationship. But when we came off the show, there's a therapist for the show and they sit down with both of you. Okay.

individually and together. And when I was on my one-on-one talking to this therapist about the relationship, she said, you know, you're going to have to give a, you're going to have to reassure him a lot. And I said, okay, that's fair, but I'm going to need reassurance too. Just because I picked him doesn't mean I'm still human being with feelings. I'm still going to need to be reassured in a relationship. And she was a therapist and she went, I never thought of it like that. Get out of here.

I'm serious. And I was like, what do you mean? It's just because the leader. pick somebody doesn't mean they just have you know sure just because they dated all these other people doesn't mean they just have to constantly reassure somebody it's a good point you need reassurance too is a viewer we don't think about that no i got a good one here from natalie it's interesting she said seems people are really frustrated with immature drama from the show and women tell well it was an interesting drama it was just annoying drama yeah what should the show do to fix that

i don't know i think there will always be immature drama on the show it's i I don't think that's ever going to go away, but the season was definitely worse. I don't know if I'm just getting older or if the season was worse. Yeah, it could be. I felt like it was very immature, but it could be that, I mean, maybe we're getting older. I don't know. A lot of people are repeating questions. Like younger fans thought, because I know my mom in her group have been fans forever of the show.

Now, my dad's very indifferent. Sometimes gets dragged to the couch, but my mom's been watching this since the Trista and Ryan days. Who is her favorite bachelorette? Trista. I know. She loves you, but when you FaceTimed her with Trista, when you sent her in the message, she was freaking out. But it's funny because their group of girls is just like,

they can't get into this season. And she tells me, and they're just like, we can't get into it. And even, I mean, from all perspectives, they're like, it's just too young. We're just not, and maybe that's age or maturity, because I don't think immaturity necessarily correlates to age. Part of me is saying, like, I just don't see chemistry, and, like, I don't see relationships building.

each week. I see them staying the same. They're like either like really romantic in like the sexual way or they're like just fun and flirty. I don't see any relationships really growing. Sure, sure. But I even think about like Hannah G. So two two girls are left right now. Tasha and Hannah G. I haven't heard a con I feel like I haven't heard a conversation between Hannah G and Golden. I know. It's just them making out. And now she's down to the final two. Yeah, that's crazy. Right. I feel like I don't know if they're not giving her a voice or if she just. If this is how it went. Let's just say when we were down to the final two in Beck's season, we had Garrett and we had Blake.

Okay, Garrett, we knew about Garrett's family, his career, he was married, his divorce, why it happened. He got into some pretty deep conversations. Think about Blake. Blake went through some serious stuff. He talked about his parents' divorce and what sparked at and how it ruined some of his trust issues. Some of the things that he was in the middle of a high school during a shooting. There are some of these things that were just like, holy sh. smokes you can say shit and i'm just down to i like i'm like what what am i missing here i know

did i not watch intently enough uh shelby white says do you think he can choose one of the other girls now if they watch the show back they're going to see everything he said to cassie i don't think he can pick one of the other girls you don't think he can i don't think he wants to i don't think he wants to i think you'd rather end up with nobody at the end of this and i think based on him like jumping and taking his mic off we're going to see like colton i think he would rather be with no one than without her just the way that he expressed his feelings for her do you think it's weird so kaelin obviously has experienced a lot a lot of life and brought that to this show and it was great to reflect on it but her and cassie are best friends is this weird for them like did you

have like the best friend that this would be weird for are you kidding me me be Becca and Whitney were the final three on Chris Sol season, and then we were the three closest friends that came out of it. See, that's correct. Because Kaelin last night was just bawling her eyes out about her breakup with Colton. Yeah. And she,

and her and Cassie, are best friends. Yeah. And Cassie's saying, and now I'm like, what a twisted, how does that work? Well, I'm trying to think back to, I kind of just wanted some closure from Chris when I was coming off the Bachelor. I knew that he was with Whitney.

Nobody else did. I mean, in the world that the world of viewers didn't know. But I knew what happened. So I had to go into that being very aware of that relationship. But I still had to seem real with the feelings because to the viewers, you just got broken up with. They just watched me get dumped and be heartbroken and then walk out on stage. The crowd had just. watched it and then I walked out on stage so I couldn't be like I'm really happy for you

yeah yeah so you have to you kind of have to put yourself back into that position like you did as well yeah and it's always interesting so on the show it is weird yeah on the show colton in so it's funny enough Joe grocery store Joe and I first night hit it off we're talking all night good buddies unfortunately Joe went home night one so I didn't get to build a good relationship with him but during the course of the show Garrett and Colton and I were really close and we weren't very close with Blake. And Blake was kind of in his own little world and he was so focused on the relationship and God bless him for that. But it was tough for him to have guy time and then Becca time. And when the show ended, it's just interesting in Garrett is such a great guy and I love the guy to death. We just

haven't had the time to connect as much because obviously he's so focused on what he should be. The one that got away for you. No. I'm just kidding. But it's interesting how like the dynamic changes where then Garrett and Becca obviously are happy and moving in the direction towards engagement or towards a wedding

and family and kids and then me Colton and Blake were kind of set back like well who will be the Bachelor and then Colton goes to be the Bachelor and then Blake and I go through another stage together

and then we became such really good friends so it's interesting how these friendships develop and then how they move and no one can never relate until you're in that you can't relate until you're into it

it's the weirdest thing and at the end of the day it's pretty gross actually it's crazy like I'm still really good friends with Garrett and I'm still really good friends with Blake and Colton and Becca and I think it was really funny there was a picture you posted

and Becca said okay this is so cute and what was your comment? I said it's a beautiful weird little world we live in isn't it? And it's so, and I'm glad we can. I was like rooting for you two to fall in love and now I'm with you and she's commenting on how cute we are. I'm like, this is f***ed up.

But it's beautiful. And it's so, and I'm glad we're here to give perspective, too, because it is such a weird thing to be in unless you know. It's the weirdest. I have a quick one. Okay. Who's funnier? Kate, are you? Me?

Yeah, no doubt. I'm way funnier. She makes me funnier, which is hilarious. Aw. You do. You make me funny, but you're way funnier than I am. And you make me so much smarter. Aw.

That's cute. Thank you, Kate. Mashi. I can't find the girl's question, but somebody has said, what happens when you get sent home in the car. Or is it production asking the questions? Do you go back to the hotel? Do you go straight to the airport? And the answer is this. It is production. It's like one of the producers just standing there while you are in the back of the dump car, the dump truck. And they just ask you the hard-hitting questions. And then you go back to your hotel, you pack up your stuff and you leave. It's terrible.

Not Thailand. I was in Thailand for like two weeks. Same. I was stuck in Iowa for like 12 days. Oh, if you're going to be stuck, what would you prefer? for Iowa or Thailand. They should have had the cameras in the room because that's when I was really crying. I was trying to hold it together in front of the cameras. What are you so hard by them?

My friends are going to make fun of me for crying. And they got in the room and just lost it. I have a question here from Paige Ashley. She said, Canadian Caesar or USA Bloody Mary. Caesar? Caesar, no doubt about it. Yeah. Oh, someone asked us.

What? When are we doing hometowns and can we document it? I mean, I'd rather not. I'd rather just be. in the moment with my family. Sorry, we're not documenting it. Jessica Nolet wants to know what inspired Jason Tartick to buy that hat. That stupid denim hat.

That was a gift. Oh, I mean, it's lovely. I was at a charity fundraiser and someone gave it to me. I just feel cool. Cool story, bro. Last question. Brittany Smith wants to know. The real question I want answered is what is Jason going to name his German

Shepherd? It needs to go well with Blant. What I'm going to name my golden girl. And people want to know if we're the britt of the tart toes or the bristicks, but I like Jatlin. Jatlin's good. I'm good with Jatlin. We can worry about the last names next time. I like Jatlin, though.

Jatlin's a good start. And ironically enough, this is kind of a cool story real quick. You have J.K. tattooed on your foot. Mm-hmm. That's crazy. Yeah, man. Wild. Crazy.

Crazy. Crazy. So I would name. Is this a weird time to tell you it's my ex-boy. friend's initials. Just kidding. Good one. Well, it kind of is, but like from my early 20s, but it's my best friend's initials.

Why did you get a tattoo? For both of them. And I said, hey, if it doesn't work out, at least I got Jess Knootson's initials tattooed on me. Wait, that's actually your ex-ployfriends. Yeah, Justin Keller. That's so weird. Yeah, but I did it. I kind of said to both of them like, yeah, we got JK tattoo.

two down my foot, but really I was doing it for Jess Canootson, but I was dating him at the time. Oh, okay, gotcha. Now it stands for Jason and Caitlin. Who knows what it'll stand for in 10 years? Kate, you know what's really weird is when I'm laughing and you just put your head down to shake and nobody can see this and everybody just hears you being awkwardly silent.

I think people can understand why I'm putting my head down and shaking at that comment. Anywho, I'm glad we're finally into this, this uh season and that the fence jump happened i really can't wait to see what happens next week and tune into the podcast for the recap on that one it's gonna be a tuesday it's gonna be good it's gonna be good okay your session is now in you thanks for listening to off the vine grape therapy tune in to hear new minisodes every thursday and check out new full-length episodes every tuesday exclusively on podcast one dot com the podcast one app

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