Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Just Another Day in Paradise with Becca Kufrin

Episode Date: October 7, 2021

It’s been a while since Kaitlyn and Becca caught up, and it’s perfect timing since the entire world (including KB) is dying to know what exactly went down between Becca and Thomas on and off the beaches of Paradise. How did Becca’s casual hot girl summer turn into finding the man she may possibly spend the rest of her life with!? We’re getting all the details, including what happened after they left the beach, what was on Becca’s laundry list of questions for a potential suitor, and how the two spent their time in hiding… turns out, it’s not so easy to hide when you’re a gentle giant of a man. Becca and Kaitlyn also share their thoughts on the other final couples of Paradise and take sides on the ole’ Friends debate; is it okay to hook up with someone when you’re “on a break?” Remember, Vinos, Mercury is in fact in retrograde, so be careful out there. We have to go “file some paperwork,” but we’ll see you next week. You can find Becca on Instagram @bkoof! CANVA - Design like a pro with Canva Pro! Go to Canva.me/VINE to get your FREE 45-day extended trial. CHINET - Chinet Brand makes premium disposable tableware for all of life’s gatherings. Visit mychinet.com to find out more. GEICO - Go to Geico.com, get a q uote, and see how much YOU could save.  ROTHY’S - Right now, you can get $20 off your first purchase at rothys.com/VINE  PEACOCK - Don’t miss One of Us Is Lying, streaming now on Peacock. Go to PeacockTV.com to get started. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Great Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. At the beginning of this podcast, I would have been not sure if this couple was going to end at a wedding. but I'm thinking it's quite possible after hearing how happy these two little turtle doves are after getting back together in Paradise.

The Bachelorette in Paradise, Becca Kufrin, joins me today to give us all, and I mean all, the juicy beats on those final couple weeks in Paradise between the couples who made it, who's still together, how happy everybody is. Plus, if you haven't already heard this woman and her hunk of burn and love,

Thomas, are back together. So she gives me all the goods on their last combo in Paradise, how they reconnected. If they're in love, are they saying the L-bomb? Paradise is not over until we hear from Becca, final.

So enjoy the updates of life after the beach. Baca! Hello! Hi, how are you? My God, I miss that face. I miss your face. I feel like I look like a tired little mess today

because anytime I was telling my producer this, Madison, I'm like, anytime I travel, the next day it feels, like I truly just got hit by a bus and I like can't function properly. So if I seem a little out of it today, that's why. But we've got coffee. Got coffee. And I'm excited it's you because this is so fun for me. One, because it's you. But two, like usually we would have caught up by now and I truly have not had to catch up with you. And so I'm like, holy shit, I'm so curious about so many

things. And I can't wait to just dive into it all because I friggin haven't talked to you. Okay, what in the freaking tall drink water world is going on here. So I'm just looking at your ring right now. I'm so enamored with this bling, Caitlin. It is the size of like your full knuckle. I know. It's pretty aggressive and I'm not mad at it. Oh my God.

I know. Like the next ring I get better be Caitlin Bristow size. Well, you just got to make a vision board and you got to make a Pinterest board and you just put it all out there into the universe. And that was also a very nice try of detouring my question. Oh, man. I don't even know what your question was. What's going on?

Oh, the world was crazy. This summer was crazy. Stop it. This summer was crazy. That was a good. Okay, first of all, let's start off with what made you decide to go back into that world? Because I know, like, when you go on The Bachelor, and you had quite the crazy experience with, you know, Ari on The Bachelor,

then to go to being the bachelorette and what made you be like i'm going to give paradise a try well i said no four weeks it wasn't something on my radar i was dead set on for sure not going i was like if you need me to host a date or you know to be well's a sidekick hell yeah but two of my best friends who are producers and handlers were going and they were just they somehow convinced me and I was like, look, if I'm going to do this, here is my laundry list of needs and demands and asks and requests. And it literally, it was like ridiculous. I sent it into them to be like, okay, if you actually want me to go, this is what it is. Yeah. And I was like, there's no way they're going to bite on this. Like, there's no way they're going to ask. So we just kind of like

went back and forth and narrowed it down. And it was literally two days probably before I was supposed to fly down there that I finally like signed to the papers. And I was like, okay, I guess I'll do this. Yeah. It was very, very last minute. It was. very unexpected. I thought that my mom and sister would kill me. Yeah. That was like the main thing. I was like, I can't go because my mom and sister will legit. Like I'll be six feet underground. Right. But and I just went in just being like, I'm going to have a fun summer. Some of my friends are, like, I knew Tia would be there. I knew Natasha would be there. So I was like, I went in with zero expectations, zero hopes. Like, you know, when you go on to the bachelor, you have some sort of hope of it working out with the person. And when

you're badger out, you're like, I'm going to for sure find my person. Right. There you do. And me, I was like, I'm going to go eat some shrimp tacos. Everyone raves about the food. I'll hang out with Wells. I'll tan. Like, I'll see some hot guys. It was hot girl summer for me. And then I unexpectedly actually started to really like someone down there.

So it was wild when I was down there, though. I mean, that's kind of a fun bonus because you got to hang out with your girlfriends on the beach. Be part of a obviously fun television show. But you got to just, you know, do all the things you wanted to do. And then bonus, you found feelings for somebody. And I like unexpected romance. I think that's the best kind where you're not looking for it. And I find that that's when, you know, there's zero expectations. And then you're like, oh, pleasantly surprised.

Yeah. So are you and Thomas full blown together right now? Yes, we are. We are very serious. He's, he's here in L.A. with me right now. But he's out visiting a friend. So he's not physically here right now. Others have him pop in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're together. I mean, since Paradise wrapped, we've been together probably I would say 80% of the time because he's so close. I'm in L.A. He's in San Diego. We'll go back and forth. We have the dogs. He's already trying to convince me to move in with him in San Diego. And I'm like, dude, I just bought a house that I don't even have furnished yet. Like, I'm literally, I'm literally talking to you with boxes underneath my computer. Like, that's how far I've gotten in my new place. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, we're good.

Awesome. We're happy. That's really cute. I truly thought that's what was happening, but I never want to, because you guys are all under contract, there's certain things. I never want to put people in situations to tell me things that they're not supposed to tell me. And so I was like, I feel like you could tell me or you would, but I don't want to put any pressure on anyone. But the whole time I was like, I wonder if they're still together. And then I saw when I was hosting, what was it, the men tell and Thomas had to zoom in. That was totally in your apartment. That was my place. Yeah. I knew it. That was my house. He,

yeah, because he was supposed to obviously do it and something's happened where he couldn't. And so they were going to get him a hotel room to record out of. And for some reason they didn't. And so I was like,

well, I mean, you can obviously do it here, but people know my house. And so I have to change the artwork in the back. And so, but it's,

so funny because people thought like some of the stuff in there was mine and it wasn't like he did a full blown he did a full blown uh like he pulled on his best art department pants went um to like home goods or target or something but

like all of the shit that was in the background of him was his like it wasn't mine and so when people were putting stuff together I'm like the only way they know I'm here like it would be at my place is like the wall in the back which is just like a standard white wall um But yeah, all of that stuff was his.

It wasn't mine. Oh, that's so funny. I think I was just going off rumors. I wasn't like, yeah, because white wall, I was like, everybody's saying that. And I, it's just so funny that I truly didn't know until, like, I assumed until, you know, right in this moment. But that's so exciting. I love that you guys are happy. I love that it was unexpected.

I want, like, the play by play on what happened in the last couple weeks of paradise leading up to that final conversation with Thomas. Because you guys really had a smooth sailing, like, from what the viewers saw. And you guys looked so cute and so happy. And then all of a sudden he was like pretty emotional. And you were like, yeah, just don't think it's right. What happened from that point to the conversation to now? Oh, man. I mean, there was so much.

And you know when filming happens, like the days all kind of blur together. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we had a great time. We weren't obviously shown that much on the screen, which is, which it was actually fine with me. Like we weren't a dramatic couple. I knew going in, and this was something that I had said to everyone, producers, the cast that was there. Like, I'm not going to get engaged a third time. Like, that's like if I find somebody cool. Um, so we had a good time. Like, we spent most of our time together. It was like a fun vacation. We got really close. And it was weird because the last week that we were filming, so much went down. And especially like after I would say the Ivan stuff, the Ivan situation, like where we went to the hotel. And,

whatever things seemed to really just be cut short. Like I think a lot of stuff was cut out that like I think Paradise is actually supposed to go on longer, but there was just so much that went down that they're like, okay, we have enough. Like we can wrap early. And so like the last couple days, we really didn't see each other. Like the men were separated from the women. The cocktail party was canceled.

So there was like they're just like those last couple days. We weren't able to fully have deep conversations. And so when Dean and Kaelan came in and they're like, hey, Paradise is over. either you go to the fantasy suites or you you know break up and so that moment i was like shit this is it and there had been like we had talked a little bit about how i mean everything was smooth sailing down there we had a great time but i was like i don't want to leave here and not fully know somebody like we haven't gone through anything really rough we haven't had to face adversity like i was very very guarded because i had already gone through two very very public

breakups and I was like I'm not about to do that again and like if I don't feel 100% confident in like sharing you with the world like I'm not going to be able to leave here with you and that's kind of where it was like I know and the way it was all put together like that last conversation him and I had was way longer than what the show showed like we had probably talked for an hour and a half and there was so much more that went into it and and it was really in those last moments where he broke down um and i like the moments like when i ran after him and he basically was like fight for me fight for us have faith in us leave here like that's when i really saw more of the like how much he wanted to be together yeah so obviously he left i left separate and then that

night it hit me i was like i was a mess back at the hotel i was crying i was like shit like i feel like he he kept saying like i don't want to leave here with any what ifs and i was like and now i have that. And so right away, he wrote on his number, like after our first date and snuck it to me. So I already had his number. And so I texted him probably two days after I got my phone back. And I was like, I'm probably the last person you want to hear from. But I'd be willing to come down to San Diego when I'm back on the West Coast if you want to have a conversation. And he was great. He's like, of course, like there's so much that was left and said. I think that he's like, I would love to see you. And so right away, and then I was back in Minnesota and we had just talked every night

to like three or four in the morning, every single night. So two weeks later, got back to the West Coast. I think the day after I got back there, drove down, saw him and like right away we picked up. It was like there was no time in between. And it just felt normal because then we could be in each other's spaces, like see how he operates in his daily life and vice versa. And so yeah, I just felt like right away. Like we just clicked. And it was just, it felt right. And And so we've been together ever since. That's so. It's been hard to keep it a secret.

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but I believe that some other couples did that. Like, I want to say Raven and Adam did the fantasy suites. I probably shouldn't admit this, but I had to leave by a certain day because I had family stuff by like a certain day. So I was like, I had to get out of here. And also, too, like I was at a place too where we probably definitely could have gone to fantasy suites and been away from the cameras but I was also I was like I've been here before and I just know how the show works and how what people say and I was like if I know like I don't feel 100% comfortable right now doing that I kind of knew like in the back of my head like hopefully we'll have time after this to maybe figure that out um but yeah and it's it's it was everything was so fast like that day literally being Kaylin were like, this is done, figure your shit out. And so they like regroup the guys and the girls. And then it's like bang, bang, bang, they pull, like they have the guys pull the girls and have the conversation and pull the girl and have the conversation. So I had no idea. Like, I was sitting

there like, what the fuck do I do? Right. I have to, I have to do this right now. And that's kind of like, where I was like, okay, I know right now I need to end things, but I was still kind of like on the fence of like, but I like this guy. And it was just, it was a whirlwind. And as you know, like you don't ever sleep. Like you never get any sleep on the show. And so you're for a month, you're running on fumes. And I was like, I just want to get to the hotel and sleep. Like, let I, I am not doing my best work right now. So just like, let me end things. Get two weeks of sleep and then figure my shit out. Yeah. So it was just a lot. Especially because you were, again, like you said, like you have been through this twice. You don't want to just, you know, throw another relationship out there when you're not 100%

confident. Like, it totally makes sense to me. I just think so many people were asking. Actually, I threw out a, like, did a Q&A on Instagram and everyone was like, can you have Beck on the podcast, please? And I was like, I am tomorrow. So yeah, I think everyone just wanted to know, like, can you go to the fantasy suite and then not propose? Like, where, where, where was your head at when you said you didn't see all sides of Thomas and do you now? Yes, I do now for sure. And I think more so I was meaning like to really start a relationship and and I can I can kind of go back to my time on the bachelor and as bachelorette because like I feel like those relationships didn't truly start until the show was done like until we're in the real world together and so that's what I was

hoping I could get from Thomas I knew like once we could do things on our own terms in our own world and really be able to see who we were like to our core. That's when I would feel comfortable being in a relationship or not. And so when I said like I didn't see all sides to him, it's because like things were great. We had incredible dates and we were in this beautiful, romantic, fun setting. And so it was smooth. When I keep saying, it was smooth sailing. Like there wasn't any adversity that him and I faced together. So I was like, I don't know how you deal with that. And you don't know how I deal with it. So I would rather be 100% comfortable in the person that I'm picking on our own terms. Like, and I'm sure you can relate like after bachelorette there were there were times where i felt like a pressure

obviously to like make that relationship work because it was so public and we got engaged on you know i would say the show terms and i was like i don't want that again like i don't want this man if he really wants to be with me i want him to pick me for me and not because we're on this tv show i totally get that such a weird world because you're just trying to constantly prove to each other that you're worth it and then at the end, you go out to the real world. And I feel like, I feel like that kind of goes away where you just get so caught up in Instagram and the pressure you have on yourselves as a couple and what you're supposed to be doing together and being liked together and you're traveling and you're kind of all

over the place and you don't have that time where I feel like you guys probably started off. Well, I mean, obviously I don't want to bring this up, but he was dating other girls before you got there, obviously it's paradise. but you guys started out as like okay well now we have feelings for each other you got to like kind of hang out you got to make your own decision to leave separately then come together really find out who each other like is as a human being get all that time together even in secret without being able to post and have that you know schedule and then now be able to share it and be happy about it so I feel like I feel like paradise was actually a really good move for

you it was like looking back I mean I have no regrets And I've, I've said this, I even said this on the show when I was giving a toast one night. Like, it was the one that I never thought I would do. But out of all of the shows I've filmed now, it was by far the most fun. Like that's awesome. Out of any show, like I would do Paradise. Well, okay, I would never do it again. I'm going to say that.

But if I had to choose, that's the one I would pick because it's just, you're in a different mindset. And I think there's something to be said when you go in and you don't have that pressure as the lead. and or like you're not all zoned on one person like it's co-ed you have an even mix of people that you can meet and mingle with and see who you vibe with and that was like that was the good part I think for me where the pressure was a little bit less and like and if I'm being honest like I wrote it wasn't all on you exactly and I wrote Thomas off night one like we had a really awkward conversation that

first night and obviously I came in late so I had no idea what was going on between him and Tammy and the whole Aaron thing but um he basically kind of blew me off so for the first first couple days I was like F this guy like yeah you know and so the fact that we could kind of get past that and I could still then be able to slowly peel apart the layers and get to know him I think is more meaningful now and and so it worked out but overall no regrets yeah no I love that and and I just wanted to touch on this because did you watch him on katy's season you know there's always somebody that gets you know pigeonholed as the villain or whatever did you watch katie's season I was actually watching and still podcasting while I was on the beach.

So that kind of fucked me up. Oh, what? Yeah. Well, and also because Tia, when Tia came in, I think she saw you actually right before she left. And you had told her you're like, okay, stay away from a guy named Thomas and stay away from a guy named Aaron. So she came in and she like loves Thomas too because he was just so fun and friendly. And she's like, Thomas is great.

I don't know what Caitlin was talking about. so yeah I did I watched maybe like only the first couple episodes so it wasn't it wasn't until I was back where it was like the really bad episodes where he was like this major villain yeah but I was like in this weird mindset because you have this edit so like I'm only seen like what the show is portraying of him but then I'm seeing a completely different side to him on the beach and I'm like what is it and so I kind of just had to go off of my gut and be like okay the show's kind of him over right now and like if the worst thing he's going to do and say is that he's considered being the bachelor i'm like i can get up board with that it's like i've been with you know my pickers

been off in the past and like there's like worse things that i can't get up board with than like what he said on katy's season so right at the end of the day he was being completely transparent and honest and there's a lot of people who probably think that way going into that show anyways so yeah i and i will put this on the record i take it back because i know what kind of human being you are and I know if this is somebody that you see yourself with and you're serious, then he has to be incredible because you, I mean, you've learned so many obviously lessons from the people you've dated and what you want now. Like I bet you've never been more sure of the kind of man you want in your life. Yeah. And if Thomas is that, then I take back

everything. But I do laugh thinking about that because he was like, who should we look out for on the beach? And I was like, Thomas and Aaron. I was like, they're drunk. And I, and I, I love Aaron now, too. I'm like, that guy's so funny and, like, he's just such a bro and I can appreciate him for who he is now. But again, when I'm hosting, I'm not really sitting down talking to these guys, really knowing who they are. I'm going off what Katie tells me and how her, what she feels and seeing that kind of side

of things. So tell Thomas, I'm Sally. He laughs about it now. He honestly, like, he has such a good sense of humor about. about it. Like, he's like, if I can't laugh over all of this, he's like, I would be miserable. So no hard feelings. That's really good that he can have that attitude. Tell us something about Thomas that we would all be surprised at what we didn't get to see because we need to, we need to pump his tires a little bit. We, he, okay, so he knows so much random stuff about anything.

So anytime somebody on the beach, him and Kendall, both know, like, Dima, random facts so anytime we had questions about anything people would go to thomas or they'd go to kendall and he i know people like obviously on the show people just like saw this big six six guy and they're like he's annoying because he talks about his height like he's actually such a gentle giant like he is like he is probably one of the most kind men to not only me but anyone i have ever met like that's where we're i kept saying like he seems too good to be true like even now I'm like are you for real like I'm still taken aback by it because I feel like there's not just genuinely good people like that out there I want you to meet him one day well definitely double date for sure but is he going to come to Nashville yeah he'll be there with me he's my date to Ben's wedding oh my gosh I really want to like I can't cancel my podcast because I wouldn't do that to all of my listeners and I obviously but but I wish so badly it because it's going to be such a reunion and like becket Tilly's going to be there and Ashley and Jared and you and Thomas and uh we'll be time you in for a hot second oh when you're on the dance floor or

i'll just ask ben to switch the date of his wedding to the next day yeah exactly yeah so on to push it back a week or something i'm sure he could i'll be like ben we have a history okay just do this for me you're my ex please yeah only seven days oh my gosh okay you were talking about kendall having random facts and Thomas, what did you think about the whole Kendall, Joe, and Serena thing? Because I was always one of those, and I always say this on my podcast that it's because I had divorced parents and I love like a love story where I'm like, imagine two people getting back together and being like, let's make it work because we're in love. It's like out of a novel. And so I was always rooting for Joe and Kendall to get back together and like rekindle. Now that I see him and Serena,

I'm like, oh, they're so stinking cute. And I didn't know how I felt about Kendall coming at the end. during the proposal. I'm like, e, that left a bad taste in my mouth, but I also know how the show works and what, like, you know, so what do you, what is your opinion about Kendall coming in and all that? It was interesting. I would say, because Kendall and I are very close. Like, she is somebody between her, between her and Tia, it was like, we were, we're going back and forth of like, do we do this or not? And honestly, and I, you know, people probably won't believe this. I think people will only think that she went there for joe like kendall truly went there to find somebody she was very open to that like she was very intrigued by ivan before going down and she knew he was going to be on

the beach so she was she was genuinely open to meeting and dating someone and she knew it was going to be hard seeing joe and like that was something the night that we both texted the producer because we were together drinking way too much wine when we both texted the producer to be like okay we'll do this book our flights in a couple days um she i asked her i was like do you think you're able to do this like do you think you'll be able to go and see your ex on the beach because i wouldn't want to do that and she's like i think it'll be okay and i don't think it was until she actually stepped foot there and like saw the same scenes of where her and joe fell in love and like it was like the smell and the sight and everything i guess i think it hit her and i don't think

she realized it was going to be as hard as it was but also too when we were all there together like it seemed so extreme and heightened and like there was this love triangle. It was like pretty chill. Like there were moments where it was tough for her and you could tell in moments like where it was tough for Joe and Serena. But it wasn't as like heightened as what it portrayed. And so like there was a lot of times where like her and Ivan were great and happy. And I think she just got to a point like one of the last nights that she was there where like

it wasn't even supposed to happen. I don't even think she was planning on going home the night she did. But me, her and Joe were talking and just like eating dinner together. chilling and the producers came up and of course you know like are asking the questions about them and i'm like i'm not see myself out of this conversation so i left and then that night she went home and she hugged me goodbye i was like shit i hope i didn't start anything like by having you guys sit together i think she just got to the point where she was like it's happening for joe again he's feeling all the right feelings he should for serena she's like i'm not there yet so it's

not fair for me to be here and she i don't think planned on staying longer i don't think she even knew she was going to be going that last day until that last day. So it was, it was a lot. I think looking back now, I don't think she regrets going. I think she would still do that. I think though maybe she would have just been like, send me home the night. She originally walked off that beach. I think she probably wouldn't have wanted to go like to the engagement altar, if you will. But, but yeah, she, she wanted to find what Joe found with Serena with somebody else. It just wasn't there. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. I feel like she's probably. getting a hard time from so many, you know, Joe and Serena stands. But yeah, at the same time,

she was trying to do what he was doing. And sometimes that happens. I am such a person of nostalgia where that like takes me right back and I get so overwhelmed with emotion from smells, from the sites, from memories that it's, it brings out like this emotional side of you that you're like, oh, didn't plan on that coming out, but here we are. Right. And I think that makes complete sense. I just, I've said this before on podcast where I'm just like, I just love all three of them so much that it's like such a confusing spot to be in as a fan of watching. That's the thing is like between the three of them. There's not like no one's at fault. Like no one is the bad party out of the three of them. And the way and I've said this on my podcast is like the way that that whole situation was handled was I think the most respectful chill way that it could have, you know, like Serena could have freaked out and there could have been this whole thing between Serena and Kendall. And they would. were both so kind to one another and respectful and have like awesome nothing but positive things to say about one another which i think just shows like how great of people all three of them are

joe joe has a good picker i'll give him that he does have a good picker that's so true that they're both just so kind i love that everyone was just like you know kind of staying in their lane but but being honest about their feelings and joe was so sweet to kendall he's like you're fine you're fine when she was like oh my gosh you guys are also cute don't can't they just like actually my my friend back home he used to be my hairstylist in Vancouver he he's with two guys they've been together the three of them for like I don't know like five years now can't we just do that hey I mean the more the merrier yeah I would be down for that I'll I'll throw it out there to see if they if they bite okay creating content is a

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Oh, yeah. They're so cute. Like, did we miss something as viewers that happened between them or was Noah just in his head? I don't know. It's so interesting now looking back because I feel like we didn't see a ton of their story on the beach really, but I feel like the cameras were constantly around the two of them constantly following them like t and i used to make jokes they're like they don't give a shit about us they only care about abigail and noah and so the fact that they were filmed so much but like so little was shown yeah is bizarre to me but i think what i came down to like they were always a strong couple they had a really great friendship like they were always laughing i think maybe that last day um i'm trying to think because i had before prom no one i had a conversation

and he was struggling, he was like at this point where he's like, I'm falling for this woman, but I don't think I'm in love and I don't know if I can get there. I think he meant like more in that setting, kind of like where I was. And I told him, I was like, look, I get, like, you could be falling for somebody. And you could still have that gradual momentum of like, this is a great relationship. I like this person, I love spending time with them, but just knowing in your core, like maybe it's not right right now. And so, and you know with the show, like there's so much pressure and you're constantly talking about your feelings. And I think he just felt like he didn't want to continue and like lead her on. And so in that moment, like things just got really heightened for them at prom. He was in his head too. Like before prom actually started, we were all in a holding room like dancing, drinking, singing. We were listening to Robin. And he and like usually Noah was the life of the party. Noah was a blast. And he was the only one kind of sitting in the corner just like very much in his head. And so I knew I was like, I think they might break up tonight. I had a feeling. Yeah. And I think, which I can relate to, I think they just needed time away from the show and to not feel that pressure to just see where it could go.

And yeah, they're great now. They're happy. They actually FaceTime me and Thomas quite a bit. They're coming out to San Diego. And I think like, yeah, they just needed the real world. I don't know if the show environment is for either of them. I know like Abigail really just doesn't like it that much. so they just needed two. Yeah, that makes that makes a total sense. I love that people can, you know, have those feelings and kind of be self-aware. Like, am I falling in love because of the environment or is, you know, let's try this out in the real world.

And now everybody is so happy seeing them together. And I feel like everyone's rooting for them. And there's also, what is the freaking rumor about Dale and Abigail? Is that, like, what the hell is going on? I don't know. I had no idea that that was a thing. I'm really bad when it comes to like knowing what's going on in this world. I don't like read a lot of my search page on Instagram and I'm like, what?

Yeah, exactly. So I think I didn't find out until maybe a couple days later after everything like blew up. And it was Thomas. He was like, he asked me one day of like, why did Claire Tag Abigail in this photo? And I was like, what are you talking about? I have no idea. I don't know. I haven't asked her just because I kind of like you were like I don't want to cry and make

I don't know. I've never met Dale. I've never had a conversation with him other than him on the podcast. There's so many relationships and breakups and new beginnings with this world and it just keeps getting like dumped on with each season that I don't know. I know. I'm hoping if it's true, like I know Claire and Dale took a break at some point so it better been during that. But okay, well then that was my next question because there's the whole friend's reference. like we were on a break and i'm like does that count if you and thomas were on a break and he hooked up with another bachelorette girl and then you guys got back together would that mean if you're on a break is that you know innocent i mean like honestly it would fucking suck but but yeah like i really

wouldn't be able to hold it i think against anyone and my thing too and i've always like had this mindset of like, I hate that like Abigail potentially is getting dragged for this. It's like at the end of the day, like if a couple, like Claire was invested in Dale and Dale was invested in Claire. Like, that's who it should have been between like the third party. Like you don't have to like the third party. Like I'm not saying they have to be best friend talk and whatever. But it's like, you know, like whoever you're dating is who that conversation and the issue should be with. Not anyone else. Right. And so that's the part. that gets me, and not even like in this situation, but just any situation like this in general,

it's like, like that probably, I can imagine like if I was Abigail thinking somebody was single on a break or a broken up way, it's like everyone, like if it's consensual, like, yeah, we're humans, right? So I don't know if it's true. I mean, like I said, I'll be with her in a couple weeks. So hopefully I'll get like some good tea, but we'll see. I know. I'm so curious, but also I'm like, stop being a nosy Nelly, Caitlin and just let people do their thing When it's all over your search page on Instagram, I'm like, I need answers. Is that okay? I want to take a poll on Instagram because I always just think about the friend's reference

with being on a break and if that is considered cheating or not. What do you think? I'm with you. I think it sucks so badly. And I mean, if you're choosing to be on a break, I mean, there's so many factors. Are you choosing to be on a break because you need some time to yourself to like self reflect and see if like this is who you want to be with? Or are you doing it on a break being like,

let's just go have our fun and then come back if we miss each other. Like, it all just depends. But at the end of the day, if it would suck so badly, especially when it's in public, like, you know, coming up on all these articles and that Claire tagged her and all the,

like that just makes it so much messier of a situation. Right. When it can be between the people like, you know, I don't know. The actual world is a lot. It's so much. And I'm such a private person in general that like,

being in the public eye at times especially in a relationship is so difficult that like i don't want anyone in my shit especially like if i'm going through a rough patch with someone like i don't i would like keep social media out of it like i would that would be like the last thing i would want i don't know why claire potentially take to abigail i'm not sure about i feel i feel bad for everyone because claire's obviously going through so much and she probably was like in the moment of being and she was probably like you know like mad at this person and wanted to drag dale and all these things. And then obviously she untagged Abigail or Abigail untagued herself. I'm not sure which one. But it was probably like one of those, oh shit, I just made everything worse.

But also too, what if Claire just accidentally take? I know that that's probably not a thing, but like it just accidentally take someone like Caitlin, when was it? Oh, it was the night of the finale. I was at my house and my phone was literally on my thigh. Yeah. And I somehow, it was like a butt dial to the world. I somehow went on an Instagram live and it was being recorded for like two or three minutes. And I had no idea. Thomas's mom was calling me. My friends were like, you're on Instagram live right now, but all we see is your wood floors. I had no idea. Oh no. And so like weird shit like that with technology could happen. And like, oh, that's scary. I know. I know. I was like, what if you were like taking a poop or something? Like, and I couldn't figure out how to end it. I like, I had double tapped out of

Instagram. I had to finally just delete the app. I was like, this would happen. I was like Instagram was down for six hours yesterday and now it won't get off of my like my stupid life like what the hell. Mercury is in retrograde. I know. I just got to hold myself up in a closet for till the end of it. I can't touch anything. I feel that way all the time. I'm like, when is Mercury not in retrograde? And like, why is it always messing everything up for me? Oh, God. Everybody else. That's so, yeah. I want to, I would love to have Abigail and Noah on the podcast. Not just to talk about that of course but just I think they're like like there's something so charming I guess I don't know something about the two of them I feel the same way about Marissa and Riley there's they are just to me so

meant to be I love their love I think they're so cute and I like loved how their romance blossom through the season I love Mari and Kenny like everyone every couple that's come out of the show I'm like we didn't really happy for everybody all of the couples like especially the three that got engaged. I love them all so freaking much, but they all balance each other out so incredibly well. Like it was really, I mean, as a viewer, it was fun to watch, but just like being friends with them and knowing them, it is so special to see because it's like, it's one thing when you witness it firsthand and there's obviously so much that you don't see behind the scenes and interviews and stuff. But to be able to watch it unfold in person and then again on the big screen and

like see their conversations going into the fantasy suites. And during, the actual proposals like it's been really special but they all like I really feel like out of any I mean and I haven't really watched all like a full paradise season I know the couples that have come out from past seasons but like I think out of any season these three will last I hope they last and but I like really think that they're all so solid yeah I felt this I feel like everyone kind of feels the same way like I was you know going to the old Twitter and seeing what people we're saying, but everyone feels like so solid and happy for all these couples. And even like the ones who didn't get engaged, like people, I think people trust you. And I think people didn't trust

Thomas. But now that you're with him, they're like, he must be good. So now it's so exciting because we get to see you two as a couple and on social media and sharing your lives as much as you want, no pressure. And like being yourselves, which it's nice to not see an edited version of someone. Right. And then get to know them for who they really are. And then, you know, you know, have that storyline instead of someone else's. But I have a game for us to play. And it's called just another day in paradise because now you're out of hiding. And I want to know what's been happening behind the seasons of your relationship with

Tommy. Do you really call him Tommy? I would call him Tommy all the time. I don't think he likes it. But I still do it because he's like, you're really the only person that calls me that. So he's like, I guess you can call me that. For a while, we went through a thing of like nicknames, like, what do we call each other? And it just kind of stuck.

Yeah. like it. Tell me. But only if you call him that. I can't call him that. It's kind of cute when you call him too, though. I like it. Okay. What was the first real life date that you two went on? Well, when we're still in hiding, we would go on a lot of picnics. So the first time he ever came up to L.A., we obviously had hats, our sunglasses on. We went to a really private park. We brought a bottle of champagne. I made like a little cheese board. We brought a shit ton of games and had a picnic. That's really cute. But how does he go incognito when you're six, six? It's hard. We were doing a thing for a while where like he would, he would either leave the car first or I would leave the car first and give it a minute

or two. And so usually like I, like for that one, I think I went down set up and then he came back like down two minutes later. It's hard though. We did go, we were walking through somewhere in San Diego once. Just like walking the dogs, I think. And a couple of people recognized him. And I just belended. I kept walking because I was like, I don't want them to see me. And thank God I had a hat on and a ponytail. So people like couldn't really tell it was me. Yeah. He's, he sticks out like a sore thumb. Like he's totally. He's tall. He's got like the widest shoulders. And so we went to a concert last night actually. And I was like, can you just like bend down a little bit? Yeah. Sit in the seat. Anything. Anything. But I guess, yeah, yesterday was the first day we could actually be out

and about like in public and so we just went out to dinner we had some cocktails we shared some apps and it was just nice it was so chill but like just to be able to be sitting with people around us and like to be able to say his name out loud in public was just really fun he was like this giddy little school boy it was so cute to see like because i've done it before and this is his first time so i think it was like even more exciting for him which it was it was really precious actually i do remember that is so exciting when you can finally like just be together as a couple like it really is so exciting that's so cute um okay so was there anything important you wanted to ask each other off camera that you got to oh yeah i bet so many things

oh god i went in with a laundry list and i was like if i actually start to like someone so there was one night it was it was one of the first nights after our date where him and i just laid on they have like these massive pillows like being bags on the beach we laid on that pillow for probably four hours one night and talked about everything. That's awesome. Tell me about your job. Do you have any debt? Who did you vote for?

Like, what are your political stances? And I'd be like, okay, I had to deal with this in a past relationship. How would you handle this? And we got into everything. Wait, that's incredible, though. Everything. And so, and yeah, there was no cameras on it on us. And so the next day, one of my friends, who's a producer, was like, have you talked to him

about this or that? Or I was like, oh, yeah, we got into everything. Absolutely everything. And so she's like, wait, she's like, did we record that? I was like, no, no one was around us. It was so nice. So yeah, and that's the thing. Like I went in very intentional this time with questions, just given my history with everything. And so I was like, if I'm going to fall for someone, I'm not doing what I did last time and just let you know, like want to wait and like push it off. Like I want to know ahead of time to see if we align in all aspects. And so, um, Yeah, we had many conversations like that, which was really great. That's so important. I love that. I mean, that wouldn't get aired anyways because people will be like, boring.

This is too boring. But it's important to me. Yeah. I mean, like you said, given your history, you learn so much from past relationships and what you want out of the next one. And it's so important to set yourself up for success in that setting that you have to ask those questions. I mean, that's why fantasy sweets are so incredible on Bachelor and Bachelor and because you can have those real conversations where you're like, let's get down to it. yeah what annoys you the most about him and vice versa okay god this is gonna sound so

bad because it's like a good thing he though um okay have you ever heard uh or like read the book monsters of monsters and men yes okay so he's like he's so big and he just like physical touches his love language like he always like he just wants to like touch and hug and kiss and he it's very sweet but sometimes because he is such a big dude like it hurts um like will hurt he'll do certain things like ow and he's like oh my gosh i'm so sorry i didn't mean to he's like i'm the monster that like broke the the mouse's neck on accident because i was just trying to pet it and love it and so sometimes i'm like thomas i love you

but just like go gingerly here okay um i'm a little mouse um so that's just like something like even last night at the concert we were dancing to the music and he was getting so into it and like he was behind me dancing but like kind of pushing me into the chairs in front of me and I was like can you back up a little bit please he's like a big dog who thinks he's a lap dog he is he's a saint bernard he's he is beethoven i'm telling you so i would just say that like it's not even annoying it's more just like sometimes i just have to be like hon i love you but like ease up you're at a 10 right now let's make it a five yeah yeah a soft five Wait, do you love him?

You guys love each other? I do love each other. Yeah. You look back, I'm so happy for you. Thank you. I tried to hold out. I tried to hold out and keep it in for a while. And then one day it was just word vomit and popped out.

Well, that's the best way to do it. You can't, like, imagine you were like, yeah, I tried to hold out and I'm still trying. Like, you wanted to just come out and you wanted to be word vomit because that just means you can't hold it in. Yeah. No, we're happy. young and in love i don't know i do probably so many things that i know him i'm just very impatient so he that bothers him he's sometimes just like we don't have to rush we don't have to be anywhere on time take it easy don't have that road rage um that's probably something of like i'm just very

like do no no no no and he's like chill breathe i i am like that too i'm a very impatient person we're actually jason i were just talking about that with because we always talk about like what we're going to be like as parents. And we were just home in Canada talking to my dad and my stepmom. And we were talking about like how we want to raise kids. And he's like, yeah, Caitlin's going to have to work on her patience. And I was like, I think kids teach you patience because I think you want to be patient for your kids. Like, of course there's going to be times where you have zero patience and you're going to snap because you're a human being. But I've heard from so many people that kids just teach you patience. And so I'm banking on that. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's kind of and you kind of, and you kind of

just have to it's like there are they're so little that like you can't force it's like training that not that i should compare a dog to children but it's like it's what we don't know they have no idea and so it's like you have to just sit in those moments and like allow them to learn and grow you and jason are going to be great parents thank you i i think so too but i mean you will i'll be the nanny okay we really need one of those actually we're like our assistant just had to back home and we're like drowning in like boxes and laundry and all these things where I'm like whoa I didn't realize how much help we need yeah but that's a good thing I guess if we're that busy so what are you guys going to do living situation would you want to do I know you just bought a

house and that's so awesome by the way congrats and he's in san diego so would you guys basically just like staying with each other nonstop or like what's are you just going to take it easy right now we I mean I told him like we're together basically all the time um back and forth he ideally would like me to move down there and maybe just use the place I bought as an investment property. I'm like, give me at least a year or two to be in here. And so, yeah, because I'm not even fully unpacked. I don't even have furniture yet. And I want to be able to enjoy my space on my own. Because I'm like, I'm really proud that I was able to buy this place on my own. And so I want to enjoy it. But, but I hate when he's not here. I hate when we're not together, it's just too

quiet. Like we have the three dogs that are always with us. So when they're gone, I'm like, it's way too quiet. I don't like this. Does he have two dogs? He has two dogs, yep. Okay, have you guys, have you guys tooted in front of each other? Do you openly talk about poop? Where are we with that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right.

I mean, like, when you're, you know, when you're basically 24-7 with somebody, yeah, we, for the first, I think, a couple weeks, like I was trying to be a ladylike. So we have code words. We made up code words for when we have to tend to and go poop. And so it's always, depending on the, on the, on the

kind. We either say we have to go walk the dogs or we have to go file paperwork. So that's the first thing every morning is he's like, Becca, I love you. Good morning. I got to go file some paperwork. I was like, okay. Have fun, buddy. I always call it a board meeting or I have to go see a man about a horse. Oh. I'm intrigued by that one. A man by the horse. I don't know. You heard somebody say it like 10 years ago. I remember a guy calling at that. He was like, I got to go see a man about a horse. And I was like, that's freaking hilarious. Does Jason say that now? No, but he does say board meeting. He's got the board meeting. Yeah, we have board meetings. And now anytime someone says board meeting, I'm like, because I'm immature. We'll finish it off with what is next for the two of you.

What do you talk about? Trips do you talk about? What do you talk about? I mean, we talk about everything with the future, honestly. I think we know that at this point, like we want to spend our lives with each other. But I really just want him to meet my mom and my sister. So he's going to come back, spend the holidays. He'll come back for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And we want to take some trips. We like played a game a couple nights ago where he asked like a series of questions and we had to write down like names of cities and stuff. So I think we want to do a Europe trip at some point. And then probably, you know, eventually move in with each other. Yeah, he's like he's, he's ready to have kids right now like he wants to be a dad yeah and so he's like yeah when you know when should we start

a family i'm like okay let's chill out you need to meet my family first you need to come to minnesota first also like let me get through the tour next year and then maybe we'll talk about that so yeah but yeah things are serious yeah i can't i really can't imagine not being with him i mean i can just see it all over your face and the smile and everything in the way you just light up when you talk about him i am just so happy for you guys I can't wait to double date and I need to redeem myself to him and he needs to redeem himself to me. Yes. He already has.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll put him to work. But I just can't wait to see you guys. And I love talking to you today and catching up and I'm just so stink and happy for you. Oh, thank you. Well, it's always so much fun catching up with you. I want to see you in person very, very soon. Absolutely. We'll make it happen in maybe two times, maybe in Minnesota and then again in Nashville.

Yeah. Well, I love you. I love you too. Good to see you. So good to see you. Tell Thomas, I say, hello. I will. Okay, bye, girl.

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