Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Katie Morton

Episode Date: October 29, 2020

Katie Morton joins Kaitlyn this week for Grape Therapy to discuss all things Bachelor with Kaitlyn! Katie talks about her time on the show, the process she had to go through to heal and what she thought about Colton and Cassie. Then they talk about the most recent season and what they think about the contestants! GEICO - Go to geico.com , and in fifteen minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance MVMT – Get 15% off today by going to MVMT.com/VINE  EXPRESS - Text VINE to 397-737 to receive $25 off your purchase NUTRAFOL – Get 20% off at Nutrafol.com use promo code VINESee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So I brought in someone. We know her from Colton's season of The Bachelorette from her time in paradise to help me break everything down. This episode of The Bacheloret was truly unlike any previous season I've seen and ready to dive into it with Katie. So happy to have her on the podcast. Katie Morton, we literally had so much fun chatting that it got to an hour. And I was like, but I don't want it to be done. She's so funny. She's lovely. She's relatable.

She had a lot of insight on this season of The Bachelorette. So I hope you guys enjoy the pod. Hi. Oh my gosh. You're in London right now? I am. I'm so jealous. And thank you for taking the time to do this because it's so late there.

And I didn't know till later tonight that you were on that time. And I'm like, oh, shit. I'm so sorry. Thank you. No, no, no. it's totally fine i was like whatever take your time my body's still like weird and i'm just kind of quarantined anyway because it's the name of the game here but yeah is that what happened so if you go like to out of the country or something do you have to quarantine for the full two weeks

in certain countries um yes like this one i've i've looked outside not down any busy streets um just like the countryside i've walked out some uh yeah you're supposed to quarantine for 14 days here But, like, in the Maldives and stuff, I think you just get, like, a test. So certain countries, certain rules. Okay. That's where I want to go. And you just happened to have this, like, incredible better than mine podcast set up there? Listen, I brought it in my bag.

Good for you. That is amazing. I was like, I need to stay prepared. And I set it up on the desk. That's genius because I literally brought, like, a little Zoom recorder and a microphone to L.A. And you just are much more. I don't have that Zoom recorder.

So I was stuck bringing. just chunky equipment. I was like, I got to lug this in a suitcase. Did they stop you at the airport for it? No, they didn't. They stopped me at the airport because I said I'm here for work rather than saying here for business. And they're two different things.

And I should have said business matter and not work matter because work requires a visa. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I'm from the UK. So, yeah, yeah. I've dealt with so much because I'm obviously Canadian. And so I feel like I've dealt with the like, what are you coming here for for so long? I actually now have a visa or I've had one for a long time.

But I've dealt with that so many times. And then the whole question happens at the border for me or it's like, oh, you're working on an entertainment visa. Oh, what do you do? And I'm like, God, I still haven't figured out how to word this because I never like being like, wow, I was on the bachelor season 11. Like I'm like, what do I don't know? And then I'm like, I don't have a podcast. You kill it. I was just thinking about that earlier.

I was like, she kills it. Thank you for saying that. I'm biting off a little more than I can chew, but it's, it's, you can help. You're so good at it. Thank you. I can handle it, but I'm like, dancing with the stars is no joke. I did not. I mean, Hannah told me how hard it would be and other people I know have been on the show,

but once you get into it, it's the same thing as people can't prep you for the bachelor or the bacheloret. Like, you're like, ah, how bad could it be or how. You know, I got to handle it. I can handle it. Totally. And then now today, I'm like, after Monday nights, it's like the longest 13, 14 hour day. And then right back at it Tuesday morning to learn a new dance. Like the last thing in the world I wanted to do at 8 a.m. was jive for four hours. Jive. Oh, man. And that's a dozy. Okay. Have you done ballroom? Because you've done so much dancing and you're so good. And I was going to ask you if you've done any ballroom, if you have advice for me. Thank you. I actually have only done very, very little ballroom. At this point, you've done.

more ballroom than I have. So I, the only advice I know is that I used to move opposite hips, but that's a completely different. You've done so many different styles. I do that. Yeah, the opposite hips thing. That was the hardest thing for me when I was learning ballroom is that as a dancer, or if you've ever cheered, your hips, you want to do it a certain way. And you have to go like opposite of the hips. Yes. Like some ballroom dancing. And it's very like weird concept for someone who's like trained themselves to not do that, to do the opposite. It's so funny. Artem gets so annoyed at me because he's like, how does your body not understand that? And I'm like, how does yours?

I don't know. I care. We're speaking two different languages. Yes. No, we're speaking like many more languages. He's Russian. He doesn't get my humor either. He's like, what did he say the other day?

Oh, he goes, you're Russian. And I was like, no, you're Russian. And he was like, yes, I am. And I was like, oh, that did not land. Okay. That kills me. I think that's funny. but yes, I would have been like,

moving on. Yeah, moving on. That's what I did. So do you still dance at all? Not as much anymore, especially with the pandemic. I actually danced recently, or right before the lockdown, I was dancing a lot for film. Cool.

Film stuff, which is my favorite stuff, honestly, because they are long days, yes, but it's the easy type of dancing, the fun type of, like, musicals like dancing. So it's not as treacherous. as you're such long days, but it's the stuff where you're just like laughing, having a good time moving and getting paid to do it. And I can just not argue with that. And you probably get some breaks here and there in the long days. And also, I'm not the main event. So I'm like, I'm doing it. I'm

with, I'm with the crowd, you know? That was my dream, you know, you're, you are living my dream. I mean, I'm living my own dream. But I always wanted to be some sort of like in films or doing this or backup dancer like as a dancer I wanted to do that so that's cool that you get to do it and do you feel like that having like a platformer coming off that show helped you get more opportunities or is it still just a grind it's a bit of a grind but there's no like thousand person kettle call additions anymore thank god I just stopped going to those before the pandemic to be honest they're awful I was just I'm like I'm out I liked commercial and film stuff so much more than tour dancing I decided at one point I just don't want to be a tour dancer.

I don't have the energy to go to these auditions. And I liked every time I did a film, I liked it way more or commercial. Way, way, way more. So, but it's still a grind and dance has gone down since the pandemic. Yeah, that is, that's something for sure that's struggling. I mean, I can't believe Dancing with the Stars is even happening just because there's so many people that are part of that show and so many rules that, I mean,

we literally have COVID officers there if we're, like, standing even near anyone that isn't our partner. They're like, move, you're too close. Like, it's such, it's a production on top of a production. But I was watching your Instagram stories. What? A safety patrol. It really is.

And I'm always like, if I see them come around, I'm like, oh, God, is my mask on properly? Am I six feet apart? Yeah. I'm like, yes. Character development for all the movies these days. It's so funny. It's like, I'm like, that's a job now. Like, that's somebody's career.

It's nuts. It is nuts. Okay, I was watching your Instagram story. One, serendipity is my favorite movie. Is it? Yes. Always, it's been my favorite movie for years and years and years. I'm obsessed with it.

It's like a young Cape Beckinsale and it's just like so romantic and it's Christmasy and I just love it. Yes. It's just, it's so perfect for me. I just feel like the fate, the whole fate situation. And it was my first VHS ever. Well, I had some as a kid, but it was my first. VHS for my personal little TV. Really?

Yeah. And so I would like take it out and just rewind as fast as I'm going with my finger. Oh my gosh. Wait. I'm so happy I can relate to that. How old are you? 28. Oh, you're so young.

You remember that was around in the, um, the rewind and the VHS. Yeah, I'm like. I act like I'm so ancient. Yeah, but I'm on the cusp. So like four years after me, those, those little shits were getting iPhones, you know? Like they were getting iPhones as their first phone. I was not getting an iPhone as my first phone, but I still was getting a cell phone. You were still, like, humbled with the VHS and all of that, but got to experience both.

I was at the tail end of that stuff. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, that's, when you did the finger motion of the rewind on the TV, I was aggressively rewinding it so I could watch it as fast as possible. Oh, isn't it so good? I just love it because you can watch it year round too, but it still's got, it's got that Christmasy feel. It really does with the glove and they're getting their significant.

others. I can't. I know. He flies to, doesn't he fly to London to find him? Is that what you're doing out there? Trying to find your serendipitous moment. Yeah. Trying to like meet someone at the very top of an elevator at the same exact time. All the way to London to do so. If anyone like doesn't know this movie, they're like, what the hell are you guys talking about? Hey, you know what's really scary is seeing just how much you could have been saving on car insurance by switching to Geico. It's almost as scary as that homemade elf costume that your mom made you wear in junior high school. No, GEICO can't erase the memory of tripping down the hallway in oversized, pointy shoes, but they could save you 15% or more on car insurance.

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that feels so romantic is someone filling your tank there someone may be filling my tank How romantic I'm like Tell me more do Is this like a Or is this like You want to keep it private For a little bit obviously

Yeah I always say like I used to say I don't want to jinx myself But it's like you know I'm not going to jinx it Because you can't really jinx the right things Oh That's the right thing Hey

Oh sweet Yeah I mean I did God I feel looking back on it I feel so dramatic. I am a dramatic person in general. That's okay. Me too. I'm just like, what? And I just start crying. I feel an emotion and I just go. And at that time,

mentally, I was obviously not my healthiest mentally. I feel like I'm in such a different place now. It almost feels like a foreign feeling. Yep. To no pun intended, but yeah, it's foreign feeling that, that I, I mean, I feel like I'm back to myself, which took so long. And sometimes I get a little embarrassed of the fact that I was so anxious about everything. I was so, like, I got into this really deep, dark depression and literally was just sleeping on my couch, like, kind of get up. And it feels weird to look back on my, try not to judge myself for those things because I'm like, I'm not a complainer typically.

but I felt like a complainer and I'm not this like I it just weird out of body but that's okay because I mean there's not one person who goes through life who doesn't lay on their couch and have some feeling of depression and and feel like like looking back I know you can obviously judge yourself but aren't you glad you felt your feelings and aren't you glad you like had that time on your couch to process and grieve and do everything you needed to do because it's the people that bury it and push it away and don't deal with their feelings and move move on and go do this and I'm fine and those those are the ones that suffer yeah the ones that like pushed through and just or were the good thing was about because I had quit my medical

sales job right before well quit I was like can I extend and they were like you're leaving for two and I'm like okay touche fair fair enough I'm not making any money fine and so I didn't have a job and that was probably a good thing because I had all the time to feel And because I know myself, and I probably would have workaholic myself through it. Yeah. So I was like, oh, I don't have work to fall back on right now. I actually don't know what I'm doing with my life right now. And so here we go, feelings.

And but it was really good because I was able to process, went to therapy. I was like, I got to go double time, ma'am. Please schedule double time. Yeah. Block me in for two hours. Yeah, I'm actually glad I didn't push, push through. I pushed through a lot more than I feel like looking back I should have, but you know what? Everything happens for a reason and I learned so much.

And I learned a lot about what I don't want, which is that. Yes. I'm so glad you said that because that's, I mean, that would you have ever thought that a few years ago? Probably not. But once you get to a certain age and you've dealt with enough relationships and you really start looking inwards at what you want and things that make you happy, you also have to acknowledge what doesn't make you happy and what doesn't work for. you and set those boundaries from the get-go in the next relationship.

100% because someone could literally have all those things you do like, but have a ton of things you also don't like and that are not good for you. And you just hang on to the good things. And that also isn't as healthy. So like there's going to be someone that has the good things or enough of the good things and has none of the things that aren't good for you. I feel like people listening right now, like have their one hand up in the air like doing the hallelujah sign like, yes.

so many people do that because you do want to that's just like natural human behavior to want to see the good and want to hang on to the good and ignore the bad because you don't want to deal with the bad but when you do and once you're in a place where you're mentally aware that you can deal with the things that you don't want and the things that don't make you happy that's when you find the right person yeah and also i think that people i totally agree with that and also think that it's in the moment you feel like oh no will all these good things still be available for the next person totally you're like probably not all the good things for real is that real life yeah it is actually real life like someone actually can have all of the good things and and if I mean of course there's going to be bad things and I have bad things and Jason has bad things we all have bad things but it's it's how bad and how you work through the bad together I like to say, I quote this from a professor in college. I took a relationship, marriage and family class in communications. He said, he predicted all of these people's relationships after one

interview with them. He would predict how long they were going to loss. He didn't tell them. He told the camera. He was right about every single one of them when they broke up or if they were ever going to break up. And he said, it's never about how often you argue. It's about how you argue. He said, some of the best relationships argue the most every single day, but it's not the arguing itself, it's how it's done. Yeah. It's not like the big blowups. It's not the breakdowns. It's the communication. It's like respecting one another and like going into the argument, like with love behind it, but just like sometimes we're just freaking stubborn and we want to argue, okay? I know. I feel like I've, I have toned that down a little now, but I've always,

always been that way where now I'm kind of like, why, why do I do that? It's so, it's so much easier to not argue. And like, that whole pick your battles thing is real. So true. I, I feel the same way about that. I feel like I used to as in college and stuff way more. I was just, I was picking two battle. I was like, I'm picking this as a battle for sure. Now I'm like, are we? Let's not. It wasn't even for me like, oh, I'm going to pick a, or like, oh, I'm going to this one as a battle it was like me searching i was like oh what can i find today that could be a battle like that's that's what i meant yeah that's exactly what i meant why do we do that i don't know i don't know and then we get older and we're like god we're tired i think it is it's a lot of just being

tired i think my brain just went here is that you you get attention from a young age by reacting And if you cry or if you pout or if you are upset about something, you get attention from it in a positive way. And they're there for you. And that's how you are as a child. So I feel like when you have that for however many years that, you know, until you're out on your own, you have people kind of catering to your emotions. Yeah. It's a little instinctual at first. And then you realize like, oh, these people aren't my like, they didn't, I wasn't born from them. So they don't have this type of love.

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I do you think it's good? I always sound like such a stoner when I say, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was into it. I was like, yeah, okay. Give it, give it on a scale of one to ten.

Where are you at with this season? I ask everybody this question. The first episode, I was way more into it because I was like, wow, a change of scenery, no mansion. Love the new space. Really? I was like, I'm like attached to things. I'm like, oh, I don't like change.

I want the mansion. I'm usually like that. But because I felt a little bit traumatized by the situation, I was like, I feel like I'm watching a whole new show. I respect that and understand it. So I was like, I feel like I can't predict anything that's going to happen. Thank God.

And so that was nice for me. But this episode in particular, I just thought they were going to end the Claire part sooner. I love Claire. And I think she's so great. But I predicted that it was going to be episode one or two she was out of there they're really drawing it out expected yeah yeah i feel like they're really like i thought this was the episode it was going to happen and they kind of teased it and then

by the end i was like oh and we're we're still with claire okay but then they showed tasha coming out of the pool like a little sex pot like slicking her hair back in this hot bikini and like given the like bedroom eyes to the camera i was like okay you can't ignore that she's obviously coming in hot Yes, but also no real other context either. It's like could have been a clip from Paradise and it was two seconds long. It's like, oh, and then there's that clip from Paradise somehow just went in there. Like, you don't even know what's actually going down. Does anyone besides Claire and Tasia, I'm like, does anyone know or is the joke on us?

Is there a secret that like we all think we're in on, but we really aren't? What is your prediction? Does Tasha just come out, introduce Paradise and then like Hannah Ann comes, Mike comes. She just is like, well, guys, it's going to be a big party. all of you guys can stay and we're bringing in some alum it could be imagine i don't think it's going to be that but that would be really funny if they were just like sending the alum and everyone starts getting out of the pool it's that cattle call that you hate from auditions these guys are just they're shocked not knowing what to do having a lot of options not knowing

if they're really allowed to take any. Oh, my gosh. It's so crazy how they're showing this season to me because I think every bachelor, and I think every bachelor has a front runner. I think, I mean, a lot of us have said it when somebody comes out of the limo, you're kind of like, ooh, I know.

Or I at least know my top three. So Claire just feels like she's almost being exposed for that and edited in that way where we're just seeing all of those things when really this happens every season. All right, it's time for a quick. break to talk about our favorite underdog success story. I'm talking about movement watches. Founded on the belief that style shouldn't break the bank. I'm into that. They've sold almost two million watches worldwide by bringing quality designs at fair prices. I am personally really into their Beverly marble

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I wrote down like four pages of notes because I'm going to love this. I love when people come prepared. Okay. Yeah. I wrote notes on this episode because I thought it was just, yeah, I meant to ask you that. That happens every single time. I totally think she's being exposed for it. I love at one point later on in the episode, you see her probably talking to producers

in a room and she's like, can we just hurry everyone else up? And I'm like, that is a mood. I'd be the same way, Claire. I don't want to talk to these other guys. Oh, I know. And she's going to get hated on for it, but I'm like, look, that's all of us because you feel almost bad for the other side, too, because you're like painfully getting through a conversation that you don't want to be a part of. And nobody wants to be pitied or have a pity conversation. And that's what you're doing with some of these people. So the poor guys on the other end don't usually know that's happening. But this season, they look like, you know, real dingalings. the thing that's the most painful this season is that fact right there like the fact that wow i have hair in my mouth i'm very sorry okay yeah the fact that they just know so my season i can comment that colton was a little bit of a little bit robotic but so we was all very like

what's happening so we didn't know anything but like i i see these guys and it's like yeah that's painful for us it was just a mystery like who is it who's it going to be which one of us today you know yeah until maybe Singapore but even then it wasn't wasn't all i mean but what week was that yeah that was week for oh okay because i keep thinking i'm like i was going to ask you about because you were on colton season i was going to ask if it was like clearly um cassie from the beginning or like no here's the thing i think also it probably was clearly cassie from the beginning but I also do believe that Colton was a very hyper-aware person and probably hyper-aware of,

he seemed very hyper-aware with how everyone felt about him. And so I think he didn't want to make it awkward and show how much he liked one person. Do you think he is a robot? I think he was being robotic. I'm convinced he's an actual robot. Yeah, that's interesting because I know that about him, just knowing him before like he does seem very aware of what people are going to think about him

and before things come out of his mouth i feel like he has already judged himself before it's come out and so that's how i felt on the season anyway yeah i knew that i there were times where he like might crack a smile towards cassie's way but i like he also laughed at one of my jokes what am i was, you're like, I am the frontrunner. Everybody go home. You guys, it's me. Just wanted to give you a heads up. I kind of knew, no.

You just know when it's not you, too. That wasn't the case for me, but it's something, that was a long time ago and it's something I always laugh at now. I even made Jason watch the clip because I was like, watch how cocky I was. No idea I was going home. Okay. Well, you went home very late.

yeah that's true obviously i was up but in the middle and so i knew i could have been a top tenor by the way that our banter was yeah but i knew i wasn't top three and if i was then i was confused right i always think that about like the this season with it okay obviously the guys know it's very clearly dale so it's like they don't it's week two or whatever we're on but like it's so apparent that are their feelings really that hurt because it's not like she gets to really know them and then she's like no it's none of you it's dale it's like she hasn't even really spoken to any of them for more than 30 seconds and they're like roasting the shit out of dale like he's some sort of villain i think their egos are very

bruised because it is one big fat rejection right right off the back she's like reject reject and they're like oh my god i mean think about it these guys are probably hot shit where they're coming from and so they just show up on the show and they are not even an option i'm not even being looked at for a second what the hell that's true that's a good way to look at it too and i mean i mean someone that doesn't really have an ego is probably joseph just kidding egoless no ego there he's a real gentleman and a scholar like that the fact that he was like I don't want my daughter to say I was appalled at the date where you got naked and you're like oh but your daughter's watching you just like treat a woman like

crap and make an ass of yourself and go home for it like is that what you wanted to see too like he didn't think that went through he really didn't and you know what he was talking he's the kind guy that some girl is going to buy into his shit and I felt it like it was pissing me off I was like don't let him loose don't let him loose I'm so glad you said that because as I was thinking, I was watching and I was thinking back and I'm like, you know, it's so sad about this is girls will go after him even more now because he's on the show. And I wanted to put out like a PSA to all everyone listening. Like if you meet him in a bar, an airport, and anything or like a guy like that, don't feed the beast. Like don't give him that. Don't let him win. I know he was on TV and that might sound really fun to like flirt or hang out or do anything. But like, take him down a notch and also don't get confused just because he's saying this is like he says things that are maybe good trigger words for girls like yes i'm trying to set a good example for

my daughter and someone's like ooh someone's trying to set a good example for their daughter they're not hearing all the other words surrounding it like i'm ashamed of you claire and like all of these different things that he's saying i saw red flags i'm like you're telling someone you saw red flags in them and that you're at first he almost got me for a hot second because I thought he was going to if he worded it differently talk about the fact that he thought the date as a whole was inappropriate and that he wasn't about it and he wouldn't have done it boom and period that'd have been fine you're uncomfortable with it she said that's the reason you weren't on the date right he just takes a full turn and is like it's all you claire he literally put it all on her and tried to make

her feel like she was doing something wrong I'm like first of all Where is the line and the gray area of what's wrong and right? You're literally sharing a woman with 31 other men and getting naked is where you're going to say that's where I draw the line of what's right for my daughter. Naked dodgeball, baby. It's a deal breaker. That was a real deal breaker for him, a trigger, if you will, that it was, that guys got naked. But I mean, 31 men dating the same girl. That's, that's cool with him.

And we were talking about how you argue. The fact that he was like, now I'm about to talk, don't interrupt me, goes for an hour. She starts talking finally when it seems like she's got the floor and he's like, don't interrupt me. I was like, this is, this guy's not it. That guy's the worst. Literally the worst. What do you think about Dale? Because the guys are giving him a hard time and they're all acting like he's some sort of monster.

I'm like, he actually seems pretty great. He's cracking me up, first of all. Every single time I'm like, just I'm soaking it in. because I think it's just funny now. As soon as Yosef goes, you know, production was just on a mic, like, send in Dale. Send in Dale. Send him in, send him in, worst, Dale, where's Dale?

Do we have Isle and Dale? Put a cape on him quick. He's a hero. Do we have eyes on Dale? Send in Dale and keep all the other boys away, far away. And she's like, oh, you? Where'd you come from? The bushes?

He's like literally on standby, like panting like a dog, like, let me in, let me in. You don't see him on the couch shots. I actually didn't know he was at this party because he had been in standby for so long with production probably. I wrote one in my notes. I said, was Dale even invited to the? Is Dale even on this date?

Turns out he was just standing by in the wings waiting to save. Waiting to swoop in like she said. And I get on, I love Claire. And I think I've always loved Claire before this and I still will after this. Certain things, I'm like, oh, come on. Like, because I want her to be like, I don't. need someone to swoop in and save me and protect me. I can do this on my own. Thank you for being here for me because I want somebody to be on my team. But every time she says something about like,

I want a man to protect me. I'm like, you don't need it. You're one strong ass woman. And somebody can be there to compliment you. Yes, to compliment her. And I feel like, yeah, we're not in the, that's a primitive instinct. We are no longer in the stone age where we need someone throwing rocks at another person coming towards us, or like a wolf or something. But, yeah, I mean, generally our primitive instinct is for protection, but she really doesn't need it. And plus, there's 140 crew members here. We're good. That's what I said. When Chris Harrison went in, you know, she had that one-on-one date with Zach in the pool. And then she was like, oh, it made me uncomfortable because he, like, grabbed me after her to kiss me.

And I was like, no, I'm uncomfortable. Let me walk away. And I was talking about it with Jason. and I'm like, oh my gosh, she sent in Chris Harrison. Like, that's crazy. I'm like, and Jason goes, well, maybe if she did feel uncomfortable, she didn't want to go. And I said, there's literally production and crew and Chris Harrison and everyone on standby waiting. And she doesn't need it. She doesn't need it. She could go in there and say what she needed to say.

I was going to ask you what you thought about Chris Harrison. Girls out there should, first of all, be able to completely say the things that she's saying and feel safe. Like, that's a right, and I believe we all should have. She not only has that right, but she's got actual physical protection there, like, a lot of it. So, yeah, I wish I totally agree with you. And speaking of, like, going back to the thing about knowing what you don't want, Dale does say that to her when he swoops it. And he's like, you know what you don't want in a man, right?

So true. That's a man with four sisters right there. Yeah. Yeah. I always joke that Jason, I'm like, how do you have one brother? He seems like the kind of guy that has sisters or, like, grew up around women like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know, Jason.

I've never met him. But from what I've seen, because I feel like I don't, I've never met you either. But I feel like I know you a little bit, too. It's just, yeah. From what I've seen, Jason does actually look like a guy that would have had a ton of sisters. Totally. That's what it feels like. Which I love.

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Absolutely. Do it. It hits differently when Chris Harrison sends you home. It's so much more dramatic. That's where our drama comes in. Yeah, do it. Send in the troops. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly. Oh, that's so funny. And I was going to ask you if you were going to go, if you would ever go back on Paradise, but I also saw your Instagram. story and I know someone's filling up the old tank over there so I'm not going to ask that one yeah so far the tank is a pink filled I love that for you your tank your tank should no these days I actually promised myself after that I was just going to fill my own tank because that's the most important so I fill my own tank but then I've just got this tank and on the side and it's also getting filled

love side tank what what is better than one tank two tanks two tanks overflowing tanks is you can't have You got to fill your own tank. You got to have another tank just for someone else to also fill. I'm so down with that. Unless you're on the bad sort of, then you can have like so many tanks. Then there's like 30 tanks and you're, you're way down. That's true. Then your tank suffers to shed people because I mean, you can't even, you can't float with that. Oh, gosh. That's a fair fact right there. How badly did you want to turn around that roast date and roast Bennett? I'm like a big Bennett guy. I'm a big fan. because I think he's so entertaining and I wasn't sold on him until I did a podcast with Wells

where Wells was like, this guy is brilliant. And now I watched it from a Wells perspective. And I'm like, oh man, this guy is so good, but I wanted to roast him because he literally was up there and dropped the mic and then went and sat down like he just freaking killed it. And I was like, somebody needs to roast Bennett. Yeah, I agree. He seems so roastable. He really is. And I I liked Bennett from the start just because I thought for the same, probably for the same reasons. But yeah, I was like, this is brilliant, this guy. But I hate when people are actually decent at a roast and then they make it extra, they make it worse by doing the mic drop, I think.

Yes, it needs to be subtle. It could have, yes, subtle is better for me. Yeah. Now this was very, this is intense and I am no longer sold on this. And it's actually not even funny anymore. Yeah. Like I regret the couple chuckles that came out of my mouth because. it was like ha ha good one and then he did like my drop and then like oversold and then he like

walked back flex into his chair and like kind of sat there like yeah did that and you're like you just kind of like showed your jealousy and you might want to tuck that in because it's it's showing yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree but he seemed fine about it I mean in natural Bennett fashion he was just like yeah I mean what are you going to do I guess we're just going to keep talking about him right should we just move on from talking about him I love that um he was like can we not talk about uh dale i've given him enough air time and she's like so what else did dale say she really did she's like nobody do you say though no but continue i mean i'm like clare can't hide at all you might have like okay in production tell these

other guys like or speed up the other guys you could have been saying that behind the scenes this girl she's taking a guy on a one-on-one she's looking at dale like this smiling looking at the back of his head she was like Dale was in a hat today she was like oh my god that that backwards hat though you have to go back to the scene she's holding an exact I don't know his hand

and she's just smiling cheesing as I saw of Dale's head she's like look at that hat she goes Dale looks so hot in his hat you're like you saw the back of his head though like that was the back of his head but wow Dale is he's got brownie points for just you know Dale thank you for existing

welcome to the show i want to know what it is like is it creepy or cute that she sleeps with his pants like because i get a shirt i mean i get like sleeping with a shirt that smells like a guy but pants it's all she has kately okay that's fair you know what that's fair i did think i did think it was funny though that she just put them on her face she was like i just do and it wasn't even like the like bottom hem it was like the crotch she said full crotch in the face with a bow on top and wait who was with her

um diana diana she was like yeah they do smell good she was like kind of in for it but like she knew it was weird but she was there for it yeah claire was like laying on the couch just had the pants there and she's like yeah yeah they smell good for sure that's a good smell the fact that claire just had the pants

laying there too like oh and then there's these like you know production was probably like hey why don't you bring in dale's pants clear tell her about how you've been sleeping with dale's pants like a stuffed animal oh my gosh it's so funny it's just so funny because i've been in her shoes and i'm like there are clear front runners but you have to play the game and she is not playing the game so to me that's why i think chris harrison's like you're blowing up the bachelor's because they have no other option but to send her on her way if that's what they do because she's not even like giving the other guys the time of day or faking it like there do you think

i wanted to kiss some of those guys absolutely not but i was like it's part of the show yeah and also i know this probably doesn't happen but in my mind if i were her although yeah i'm just not i'd be like well you know this one feels really good but what if someone surprises me or what if this one lets me down. Like what if this one is starting off so hot and lusty and it just is lust. That is exactly what my thought process was through all of it because it was very clear to everyone who my frontrunner was. Then it became two. And there was always two. But in the back of my mind, I'm like, this one person who I'm so sold on could have a girlfriend at home or he could be like the worst or he could be just putting on this like, I'm the best guy ever facade for TV and for,

you know and then come out of it and and not be that person so you have to almost do yourself that favor and not do yourself that disservice of not exploring other relationships to their full potential to see if something else clicks because sometimes that happens like look at becca she really clicked with Blake right until the end everyone i think even her was like it's Blake and then it ended up being Garrett and you sometimes have to take those relationships that far to figure that out. Absolutely. And it's like, yeah, when is she going to be able to do this again and it be permitted? Is she going to just, if Dale doesn't work out, let's just say it. And I hope, I hope he does. But like, what's she going to do about show at season on the side? Guys come back.

We're going to do another round. Round two. Ding, ding, ding. Let's go. I don't know. Everyone back in the ring. It's going to be so sad because I already found my just rooting for the two of them from the get-go, which makes kind of the season feel like irrelevant because I'm already rooting for two people. So I really do hope they work out because first of all, she's putting her life on the line while her mom is sick and all these things in COVID. And she's just like, I mean, I just, I bow down to her. But for that to go on and then not have it work out when you put all your eggs in one basket

would be such a tragedy. Yeah. And also, I feel like the biggest tragedy of all would be her. not trusting her gut again like not being able to trust her gut because she's she's like I hear when you know you know and this is that feeling she would be so confused and questioning what feeling was that then if it's not right that would put me into a spiral that's a very good point I feel like but there's I mean I just feel like she's probably had that feeling before we're like it's the honeymoon phase and it's like so many people feel that in the honeymoon phase of like

oh when you know you know well guess what I didn't feel that way with Jason and And now I know, but when I met him, I wasn't feeling that way. You weren't even, you were just like friends, right? Right. Like I literally was just like, yeah, that's a great guy. Like, I didn't think of him like, yeah, very neutral. And so now I'm like, no, that saying doesn't have to apply to everybody. Yeah, you don't just sometimes the magic isn't there the first second you meet someone.

And that, then you met Jason again. It's like, that could happen with one of those other guys if she actually opened her mind to it. You could be like, wow, I found out this guy's so great. And then the guy could just keep proving to be great. And then you're like, oh, actually, I want to be with this guy. That kind of happened to you. And that's, that's really tough to do because it's hard to battle through with a bunch of guys you don't want to be hanging out with when there's one that you can't stop thinking about.

But again, that is the format of the show. That's how the show works. That's what you know you're getting into. And that's the hardest part about it. The hardest part about that show is coming out of it and now establishing a relationship. from a really shitty foundation. And that's why it's so hard to make those work. So I'm like, I love that she won't have to go through that if this is the case.

But also, like, that's kind of why you go to do the show. Right. And also if Dale, listen, Dale's not confused that he's the frontrunner. So why doesn't she just let Dale sit on the side and be very clear about it every time she has her time with him and then just they'll play the game because Dale's walking in and like they're making out and he just pretends to be like sitting on. against the wall. He comes in and she's just like, he's like, Claire, and just cracking up. They're in their own world. They have inside jokes in front of people.

I'm like, I'm like, we're not even in on the joke. We're like, sitting back being like, what's so funny? I don't get it. Dale's like, it was just like, I just, I was dying, man. I'm like, what? We were just, we're just dying laughing. I'm like, well, easy, easy walks in and is like, cool, cool. cool I feel bad I feel bad for the guys because what a they'd seem like great guys yeah like some of them are awesome like they're good and I and I hope they stick around I was going to ask you what do you think do she get a whole new crop of men do people go home do some stay do some go like how is this going to work if somebody else comes in I feel like they all deserve to stay

and maybe a couple more sprinkled in but if a couple more sprinkle in then the others will feel like well you don't understand what we went through bro not a little dramatic situation great that's what we love to see on television you know that's what they're going for to be here we went through it with claire we're scarred i'm like well she's gone now yeah i wonder i'm so curious and i'm they're doing such a good job of uh of getting people to tune in because i'm like can't wait till next tuesday we're going to see how it all goes down i am tuned in quick question before we get back to the podcast did Do you guys know that 30 million women are impacted by weakened or thinning hair? I am actually one of them.

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Like, usually I feel like they're letting Dale be the good guy because any other person that was doing this, they'd be like, Dun, dun, dun, done, the villain. Dale was just, like, dying, laughing every time. And it's cracking me up. like even when he left one of the other times he's like leaving the door and he's looking back at her and they're smiling and she's like grabbing the other guy and they're looking at each other he he's literally having a field day with this like like other on any other season that guy would

get no time with the girl they would be shoved to the side they wouldn't get this time and they're literally like go save her from this do you want extra time sure go ahead like they're literally power these guys have three minutes they're handing Dale to her on a silver platter where all the other guys are suffering it's like i don't know it's it's it's funny and it's you're perfect yeah no you hang up that's what yeah it really reminds me of like middle school high school no no you hang up no you hang up mom gets on the phone they're like hang up guys and you're like shit okay i'm like mom get off the landline oh my gosh or when my mom would tune in and there's a mute button on the phone so i'd be like mom are you on the phone

and she'd be like, no, and I couldn't hear her through the phone, but she was on it. You sneaky mom. You sneaky mom. What's that mom? It's like a YouTube video that was Megan Firestone. She was around, right? When you were. Oh, yeah.

Okay, I already know I can read your face. But she was the one who showed me that video. And I always say that now nobody gets it. I'm so glad you just got it. Well, I'm just thinking maybe she showed me that video. Oh, maybe. Why did I just do that? I saw you pyro.

So, guys, Caitlin's burning papers over there. She's just burning her notes so that no one can see what we talked about. And hopefully you guys are listening. What is Romero, man? I'm literally like sitting here having a conversation with you. I just lit a piece of paper on fire and could have burned this whole building down. Okay. That's embarrassing.

Okay. What else you got? I feel like conversations good, Caitlin, because I've never had someone do that during my, my chats. oh i just feel so comfortable with you that i'm just like you're letting it all out now i think i'm just like i'm like how much more dale talk can we do i have a game for you well that seems to be the whole show yes games okay it's called katie's crystal ball tight tight tight tight tight tight tight tight it's where you tell me your predictions so okay do you think yes do that do you think tasha will keep claire's group of guys or will she get new ones we already talked about that

next pick tasha's final three guys out of claire's cast if they do stay well according to this ball um i'm gonna go with chason okay there's this one guy who's super ripped um god i know even the one guy who jason he was like yeah i lost like 150 pounds i'm like where's the extra skin you literally are ripped yeah where did that go not sure he looks incredible um wait what about Canadian um Blake with the like Lincoln beard does Bennett make it far because he's kind of like a JPJ I hope so I mean maybe maybe just for like he's entertaining to her because she obviously thinks that JPJ was entertaining to her too you know and it makes it far ooh that's a good prediction I think they're pretty pretty

close and personality style that's a really good prediction Maybe. I don't know if Easy is her type. I don't know her type very well, but like Easy just gets a lot of screen time. So I feel like I know him well. He does. He's funny. He's so funny. Who else is there? Riley's there. I don't know if that would be her top. Who's that? I don't know who that is. He's the guy. Sorry, I just burped. Oh, get it. I burp on this podcast all the time. Actually, it's like a hiccup, but I do it all the time. Amazing. I'm so glad to be on this podcast. Caitlin, thank you. Clay. Come on any time. let's recap next week oh my gosh i'm in uh sneaks on as a co-host just is in the background all the time that's like our schick you're like actually there for every podcast now but just in the background and every now and then i just say one like okay be sentenced and like what was that and i'm like no one knows okay that's it no we need more than that for me me i'm like i went too far okay so i actually don't know all the guys that were there but

Bennett's going to make it far, I guess, I think. Okay. Lardo JPJ. I like easy. He probably makes life easier. Right. Probably way overused. And, um, and Jason.

Yeah. I'm saying people that I just know, maybe other people just haven't set out to me. That's, I was going to say, I think you're just saying whose names you know, and that's exactly how I would play this game, too. The guy that got denied the kiss, I don't think that guy's her type. I just get the feeling. No. I don't know if he's

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because what a nerve-wracking situation especially when you feel like she's just absolutely in love with someone else and she's probably sitting there being like she doesn't want to be here and he probably didn't expect her to go in for that kiss so he was like oh we're doing this and then she was like oh I thought it was 80-20 and she was like yeah

where was your 20 and it was weird wild and then wait moines Blake Moynes is that what his name is that the Canadian guy yeah that's the guy yeah so I was just thinking too he um when joseph was talking I did see a little bit of his personality

because he or oh when dale was talking he said I think I was the right man for the job he goes elaborate yeah he's like what were you saying there yeah couldn't you that I really liked his date too

and I liked how he started getting fired up and he's like I'm not usually this person like I don't usually get upset but I'm like fired up and I was like yes you show your emotions because I feel like he's trying he it we saw that in the date that he like tries to hide certain things so i'm like i don't know i think he's going to be a bit of a silent thunder that one he's going to come in hot in a bit yeah come in hot if if it keeps happening

that's the hardest thing about this because right now we're making predictions on something that may never happen that's what wells and i were saying like it's hard to get invested in any anyone because you're already thinking like are they even sticking around or is the season over or like what the hell's happening these dudes you're going home we're getting a new batch like that absolutely happened so i'm like should i invest my time in you or not right that's that's literally how we all feel tell us chris harrison we invest our time he'll be like next week on the bachelorette tune in okay last one let's say that they don't choose a woman from mat's season as the next bachelorette who do you think is

most likely to be cast from previous seasons as the next lead it's me no i'm kidding no your tanks your double tanks are full but if they aren't no i'm kidding i'm kidding it's actually not definitely not me uh it is uh mhm tia oh maybe it's great yeah i feel like she'd be good tv me too like she's just and i think she would find love but i'm like i don't ever want to say like oh, she'd be good TV because that also means that she could be manipulated and hurt and mentally affected by something. So I'm always like, but I also love her and she's my friend and I want to be like cautious of her health. Yeah, I think Tia actually would be good TV. Just in general, because she also is dramatic in the sense of like her inflection with her

words, like just in the way that she tells stories. And I love that about a person. Because I feel like we all loved Emily Maynard as a bachelor. She was the Southern Bell, sweetheart really great season she was back to like when it all had like the the bachelor like nis of everything tia's got that with a spicy edge that we all love now i feel like she'd be a good combo yeah me too i feel like everyone's kind of been waiting for it yeah yeah that's including tia on come on just stop messing around put her in coach yeah put me in coach that's what tia's thinking it's like he's not even dating guys at this point because she's like i'm just waiting on my season it just seems to be taking a while and then as soon as you find someone they'll be like hey what's up it's like a

that's an unhealthy relationship the ex comes back available oh my gosh we've got that what's what was beck's ex russ or ross or something who came back showed up oh god you free to get engaged right now yeah get a load of those guys it was such a pleasure having you on the podcast thank you I had so much fun you're so great I feel like we could have talked forever it's 3 a.m here I know I'm like looking at the thing i'm like i can't believe that was an hour you're in london so what is it what is it 3 a m there oh my gosh go get some rest and then let's just like make this a thing where we wear for the next couple days so it's like that's kind of you can rest you can rest but also oh my gosh i can't wait to see all your stories and enjoy london and then when you come back wait where do you live do you live in la

i do yeah okay so i was saying we have to get together yeah my stories will be great i'll be in the countryside of London first and then I'll come into the city and once I'm in the city and I actually get to walk about with a mask on safely guys I will take a lot of pictures amazing and then when you're back in LA let's do this again let's please hang okay oh my gosh let's do like a beach day yeah I don't really get days off but I will take a beach night I'll stand below your balcony and just play you some music from a stereo and I'll be like and I'll be drinking wine and we can drink wine from afar together perfect sounds great just get a rapid COVID test and come on over Yeah, we'll do.

Okay, enjoy your time. You keep getting that tank filled if you know, I'm fine. I know. I'm picking up what you're putting down. You're walking my dogs, checking my mail. Thank you so much. And before we go, tell everybody, I always have to do this. Got to pump your tires.

Where can everybody find you? Ooh, please find me because I'm losing dollars by the second. That's what happens, girl. At Katie Moe, but it's spelled like Katie Emo. perfect i e e mo just follow me guys i'm not i'm not a terrible person so you might as well just do it i used to never say like go follow me and i'm over here shameless oh i i used to be the same way and now i'm like please because to me now it means well i mean it's it's a business now to me now to me now it means votes on dance with the stars it's not shameless it's something that you

you're proud of what you have to offer yeah i mean i'm still figuring out what i'm doing on there so maybe it's but you guys come figure it out with me come figure it out with me come join me in my search we like the relatability um but thank you but seriously let's um let's covid test and hang out when you're back yay okay i'll see you very soon okay go get some sleep okay bye bye all right everybody thank you for listening your session is now ending but before i go just wanted to say i loved having katy on today she's so awesome just a little housekeeping on the next grape therapy episode to since The Bacheloretta is airing Thursday next week instead of Tuesday. My recap will actually come out on Friday morning instead.

But have an amazing guest lined up for that one. So make sure you listen. Also, did you listen to part one of my episode with Hannah Brown? We just, again, couldn't stop talking. So we had to make it a two-parter. And the two-part is coming out on Tuesday. Next week will be a great one. So let's hope it's good for my scoreboard too.

Still recovering from the seven. Honestly, thank you guys for all the love this week. It means the world to me to know that the vinos are all rooting for me and voting. Thank you so much. Okay, now your session. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new minisodes every Thursday. And check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday,

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