Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Late Night Date Night with K&J (Part 2)

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Kaitlyn and Jason continue their conversation from last week and dive into the OTV Hotline to answer more Vino questions about career advancement, imposter syndrome, and finding your calling. Jason is getting all fired up as today’s voicemails perfectly align with the topics discussed in his upcoming book, The Restart Roadmap. (It's almost like Kaitlyn planned for this.) These two are not holding back as they give their hot takes on finding work-life balance and living life in the 6th gear. Jason opens up about a time in his life where he felt like an imposter and Kaitlyn reveals the next item on her career bucket list… time to get manifesting. They’re also discussing why things in The Bachelor franchise and beyond need to evolve and keep up with the times, because times are a-changin’ faster than ever before. APARTMENTS.COM - The most popular place to find a place. VIZZY - Step up your seltzer game with Vizzy. To find out where you can purchase Vizzy go to vizzyhardseltzer.com/VINE.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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The courtship premieres Sunday on NBC and Vizzy. Step up your hard-seltzer game with Vizzi to find out where you can purchase Vizzi. Go to Vizziehardteltzer.com slash Vine. Podcast One presents Off the Vine, Great Therapy. is going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Put a glass of wine in my hand in my own home with my best friend and fiance. And you get a two-part episode. Last week, Jay and I left off giving some, I'd say take it, not leave it, advice about becoming your own boss. We continue giving

the Vino's more professional advice that gets Jason all riled up. I hope you guys enjoy part two. It may need to do a part three with some pranks. Who knows? TBD. Hey, Caitlin. My name is Samantha. I'm a big fan.

I love you lots and I love having my earholes every week. I love it. I have a big decision coming up of whether to go back to school or not to. Am I feeling the pressure to go back to school? A lot of people want me to go into nursing. I feel like I can be good at it, but also just, I mean, conflict because I'm not sure if I want to do that, and I kind of want to just travel and just figure out wife.

I'm 23. And for a few weeks, I'm going to go and see it now, but also I just don't know. So what is your advice if you're in a dilemma and feel the pressure coming from one side, but you just feel like uncertain about the decision? I'd love to hear from you. Again, just love you lots. And I hope you're having a great week. Okay. So I was listening to a podcast on my drive from Knoxville to Nashville today. And it was about a relationship where there was a man and a woman going to therapy. And she had no boundaries. She would say whatever she felt. And the guy felt like he was held back because of this. Blah, blah, blah. Anyways, whatever.

she was talking to the woman and she was like you know he feels this way you seem confused and she was like well because i feel this way but then i talk to my mom and then i hear from my sister and then my friend tells me this and the woman said you have a choir that's showing up with you you shouldn't come here alone you should come here with five extra chairs and bring everyone with you because a lot of people are influencing your thoughts yeah so when when people say things like I'm feeling a lot of pressure to go back to school, it's like, who are you feeling pressure from? And if it's something you don't want to do, but you think you should, I do think you should go travel, reevaluate, go do some soul searching, do what you can at the age of 23, before you really spend all this money, go into debt and figure out what you want to do, do soul searching first. Would you agree? I totally, totally agree. So in chapter three, that I call it the efficacy of vulnerability, but this is a comparison in a practice I did

is I wrote down all, I was went into a room and I wrote down all the things I felt about like my current life, my career, and my outlook on a piece of paper. And then I got all those people, similar to this question, friends and family I trusted,

to tell me what they thought of my career, my outlook and where I was. And everything I wrote on that paper was completely different from what my friends and family perceived everything I had going on as. There was no connect. And so that was telling me that, like, the people that were closest to my life, there was no emotion and behaviors aligned. My behaviors did not align with my emotion. And I think in this situation, if you can go into a room and write on a piece of paper what you think you want out of your life,

the potential profession, what you want to do and how you want to do it and what you imagine and then go sit with your parents and your friends and get their perspective. And when those things are two completely misaligned things, why would you go in the direction that they're pursuing you when you don't even know really what your next step is? And when the people that are looking out for you have no clue the way you are envisioning your life. So it's just so important, I think, to, to benchmark yourself before you start moving in a direction that people are pursuing you into.

Imagine, Kate, if you, like, if your parents were like, you got to go to college, you know? Think about how challenging that would have been for you knowing that deep down you didn't want to go. It sounds like I hear a lot of reluctancy. It doesn't sound like she is excited to be a nurse. It doesn't sound like that is her call. She said she thinks she'd be good at it, but it's like, If you're 23, and maybe that is something she would end up loving. I watch Graves Anatomy, and I'm like, I think I want to go into nursing.

But go do some soul searching at 23 to figure out what you want to do before you go put yourself in a situation for what you think you should do. Yeah, and I think if you say you think you would be good at it, you have to be able to dig deeper and ask yourself why, right? Like imagine if like I always think about this, Tom Brady. Like imagine Tom Brady didn't pick up a football. the greatest to ever live in the world like what is your football what is something that you can do different than anybody else and if it is something in nursing what is it about the position of nursing that can highlight that i think that's one of the hardest things for people to figure out is what is who how are you tom brady and what is your football because to me i'm like is anyone

is passionate about anything as tom brady could be about football when you read about how he does everything and why he's the most successful. I'm like, that reeks of effort. I don't know if I could put that much energy into one thing or what I'd be that passionate about. I'm passionate about a few different things. And I like to put in certain amounts of energy into different things. And it's overwhelming, I think, to a lot of people to think they need to find their one true passion and then go for it. The one thing, they don't have to find their one true passion, but the skill sets that they're naturally gifted with and the skill sets that they have the confidence to pursue are this are are like things within a job they have to be aligned with right

I mean right how can you how could you like you have to have a natural differentiator a natural skill set that is like your superpower that's aligned with your job and I think a big part of that for people is figuring out what that is for them not I I think that's the beginning steps for them, not the next part of, okay, now how do I apply them? I think a lot of people struggle with what their skill set is or having the confidence to even acknowledge what that is for themselves. And so where, but how do you find it, right? Yeah.

So you find it by testing and trial. You find it by, like an A-Rod example, a six-year, you find it by being Barbara Corcoran and having 22 jobs by the age of 23, being fired. by 22 different companies. I understand this isn't realistic, but this is the only way we can learn is if we get out of our comfort zone and do things that will press us in certain directions

to find what our calling is, to find what we are talented at. Then the alternative is what? Sitting in complacency and never... No, I'm not saying that's what you should do. You get one life. And on average, we live 79 years. You're working to be an adult 18 of those.

You get 61 years to figure this out. But also, I don't know if there's ever an area where people figure out the work life balance. Because when people find their passion or they're the A-Rod or they're in sixth gear or they're finally living their dream and they're doing what we're doing where it's like almost too much where you wear yourself out and you do this. And also statistics would say that people look back on their life and wish they didn't work as much or wish they enjoyed the other. things in life like there's it's yeah but what so then my other my devil's advocate to that no but there's always a difference my devil's advocate would be do you think the company the corporation so you've mentioned some people that have done things on your own but do you think the corporations majority of them are like very vested in work life balance some of them are and if you are with the

company that is that's amazing but one of the Harvard business case studies about this unlimited PTO is all about the idea that people will take less vacation time, if they create an unlimited PTO scenario, the thesis and the takeaway from that has been that people actually take less vacation time because it creates peer pressure in the companies. And the other thing is when you have PTO and you accrue it, when you leave that company, you get paid out on it. When it's unlimited PTO, it's not a liability on their balance sheet so they don't have to pay. you out. So I don't think work-life balance has to be completely constructed by each individual and not by the companies they work for. I can't be an A-Rod doing all. I won't succeed that way.

That will not work for me. Kate, you are you are the definition of living your life in the sixth year. Are you kidding me? Do you, do you understand you need to look at it? We got to do a third degree priority pro but you need to read the restart roadmap you live your entire year in the sixth in the sixth degree you go so fast i actually don't even think i don't even realize how much i do that because i'm like but when i'm home i well there goes to my point of the fact that your company doesn't define your work life balance you construct it point in case you're on a 67 city show tour You found a way, though, to say, I'm in Knoxville, I have 27 hours off. I'm canceling my podcast today, and I'm going to spend time home with my family.

You defined work-life balance, not anybody else. I agree with that, but I do think I am a good example of it. A good example of what? of stopping myself when the workload is too much and saying my mental health matters and I agree that sometimes I take on too much but I will also take that time to be like what do I need? I need to go home and I need to be with Jason and the dogs and have a glass of wine and just recharge instead of piling my days up on my days off of okay well I need to

podcast I need to have this business call and I need to do this wine call and I do this scrunch call and I have all these brainstorming sessions. I'm really good at saying I've been going too fast. I'm, I'm canceling everything and I'm having a mental health day. I agree with you. I think you live your life in the sixth degree. I think you're in the sixth lane. I think you do that, but I do think what you do. Six gear. Yeah, six gear. I do think in the six gear. I'm losing it. I thought there's only five gears. But, and so the six is next, right? So you live in the six three, but I think you also can your work life better than anyone, and it's a testament to say the only person that controls work life is you, not the company you work for. But let me ask you this. In all areas of your life,

your mental health, your mental well-being, your physical health, your businesses, your entrepreneurship, how much more advanced are you today than you were, let's say, at 29, 6, 7 years ago. What do you mean? I'm as advanced as I could be from that. Like if your 29-year-old self looked at you today, how different, how different are you? Like, what would you say? I am different in every way possible. So in seven years, Kate, you have literally learned so much in so many things and I attribute a lot of that to therapy. Impact. But that is because, and that goes back to his theory is you have fallen on your face so many times you've you've had the highs you've had the lows you've had the successes you've learned all these things from doing all these new things stepping out of your

comfort zone going where you're going to go to be asked being the host of the bachelorette being the only person ever from the franchise to be asked to go on dancing with the stars years in years and years after you're on the show and going on and winning it you have done all the things here that we're suggesting one needs to do to live the best life i'm getting fired up here okay you guys with the most rental listings anywhere and yes anywhere you guys there's no wrong way to get into your right place on apartments dot com for instance you could latch a little tablet to the wall throw magnetic darts at the rental search map that sounds pretty fun actually or you could lather your phone screen in peanut butter and let your furry roommate lick their way to a tasty new pet friendly

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Okay, I'm going to play you one more voicemail from Maddie. She got an amazing job, and she has imposterous syndrome. And I want to know what you have to say about that. Hi, Caitlin. My name is Betty. I just got this amazing job offer that I worked so hard for. The interview process was so long. It was a lot. And I got it, and I'm really, really excited,

but I can't help feeling like I'm not qualified for it. I feel like I'm not smart enough to work at this company, and I feel like I would fail. And I feel like an imposter right now. I'm seriously dealing with imposter syndrome. What advice do you have for me? because I know I need to take the job. What advice you have to me to make me feel confident

and know that I actually deserve this job and approach it in a way that will help me to succeed? Thank you. Bye. Why is I make you want to cry? Oh, it makes me pissed off. Oh, it makes me want to cry. I just want to hug her and be like, are you fucking kidding me?

You got this job for a reason. You've done everything, everything you've done in your life to put you in this position has got you to where you are, where you, if it was a job you felt like you were too good for, you'd be like, yeah, okay, here we go again. This is a job where you feel like you deserve it, but then you're like doubting yourself. And it makes me sad because I've done that so many times.

Even when I'm like up on Dancing with the Stars, I'm like, why are, why am I here? Like, even though it's like my dream, I'm passionate about dance, I know I'm a good host. I'm blah, blah, blah. I literally am like, people probably want to see you. I'm on, not me. Oh, all right. Well, that's not true. That's not true.

But I want to bring it back to me. Blam, bam, bam. Stop it. And get out of that. I do. That voicemail fired me up big time, but here's why. Chapter what? Literally, no joke.

I was wondering who did your pre, like, who came up with the segment? Because I'm like, did they get the manuscript? No, we didn't. We saved. I picked out these questions. So then you just like know the things that like I'm like passionate have fired out about because it is okay so one of the chapters is called hacking the hiring process right there is the exact reason why this chapter is so important because the system is set up for

you to be an imposter i'm like getting fired up thinking about this there are every job description when they are written are written with a strategy so that the people that they select for that job don't qualify for the qualifications that are put out there. The idea is for it to seem as though a reach, as though you got that job with that title, with your experience. So this is what is done strategically from an HR perspective. They put a job out there, increase the qualifications, increase the title.

The idea of it is they're going to get more applications in. They'll have a greater pool to select from. When they have a greater pool to select from, those people that don't meet every single qualification will know it's a stretch that they got their job. And that person will feel so thankful and indebted. You think companies want people to feel imposter syndrome? A hundred percent.

I have never in my life had a job that I met all the qualifications for that were on that posting. So step one is acknowledging that, most titles and most postings are bullshit. I agree with that. And what they'll do is they'll give you a higher title and they'll increase those responsibilities so that you feel as though your ego is being fulfilled with that role because you could do it even though your qualifications don't meet their bullshit 15 years experience, but then they'll

pay you less. The compensation package will match up. So that is what fires me up. And then I have some tips and tricks with imposter syndrome, but you go first. No, no. I was just thinking. Same thing with, of course, I don't have the qualifications or the years under my belt for hosting. Perfect example.

But I am, fucking qualified. You are, this is a perp. This is why when you had that after the final rose night, I got so fired up. I was like, because here's the thing. Everyone in the production, you know what, I can say whatever I want. But people at the higher levels think that you, oh my, a bachelor alumni is getting a hosting job. Oh, my God. You have been hosting a show for six years where millions and millions of millions of people tune in a month.

You can read a teleprompter and speak it authentically. But that is hard. But it is hard. And I don't want to discredit it. But you're qualified to do it. And I think so many people, including the general population, put that on such a pedestal. you could do that and you fucking did it and you nailed it and that's the system creating this fear of you can't do this you can't do this that's because they're scared that you'll be able to

do it and you'll have the confidence and those are the people that ended up crushing it the people that say all that I'm going to do it so what do you say if and we don't know the answer to this get fired up if they did not take me back as a host after I've been qualified after I approve myself after I believe that there needs to be representation of women in the franchise for a bachelorette. If they don't have us back as hosts, what are your thoughts? Well, the beauty of it now is this whole nonsense about you having, there's always an excuse for what you have to have for experience. The beauty of it is your hosting career package, anyone that can sell, can sell Caitlin Bristow. You've done it on a podcast. You've done

done it on live audiences, you've done it on cameos of every show out there, and you have done it successfully. And then you've done it live in front of four million people on one of the biggest stages. So you have what everyone wants to see, which is the roll tape. They want to see what you've done and they want to see you in action. So that's what I would do is make sure you're benchmarking your skill set, not just in one area, but many areas. And so, If people are out there that are trying to connect the dots here, we're talking about like a little bit of a monopoly world of what can I do to host another show.

Let's talk about the... I want to host Dancing with the Stars. Right. So that's my next bucket list. Okay. What did we already talk about? Put it out there. I've never heard you even really talk that much about that.

What? I literally told you this like three weeks ago. All right. Dancing with Stars. Put it out there. That's how you got on the show. If you did not discuss the way you wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars, you would have never gotten on that show.

I discuss everything and I've written this down in my goal book. You got on that show because you put it out there to people because you kept telling people it's your dream and people kept believing in it and the people that can reconnected with you got that dream going and now Caitlin's playing with the dogs and now I can't focus. If you guys ever see me lose focus, I usually don't do this on podcast, but it's just the partnership dynamic where things are all over the place. Oh, hi, honey. Oh, no.

He just is crawling up here. Thank you. Can you hear him looking at it? Oh, my God. Thank you, sweetie. Thank you, sweetie. But you got, can I just say this? You've got to know how to, no matter what you're doing out there, you're a nurse, your

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I get passionate because that is just one person of so money that feels it because of this fucking job description. Do you think that's ever going to change, though? I think the only way it's going to change is when we start is individuals like me and you and her and everyone else start talking about this. Like, hey, the reason you feel this is because they created this. Can the world survive without corporate America? Well, no, no, no. You need corporations, but you need the people of the corporations to talk. talk to each other. The corporations are the best thing in the world. Capitalism is

unbelievable. It's the fact that they manipulate. It's the manipulation. It's the fact that for 10 years in my career, if we talked about what we made, we can be fired. Are you fucking kidding me? We should talk about how much we make to all of our friends and family. Yes, we should, because that gives us information. And the information allows us to negotiate. Sorry, I get all fired of it allows us to like use the information we have to put ourselves in a better position if the information is being shared in a in a safe place and not like a braggadocious manner it could do a lot for where we are today and how we could be in better spots and when you have imposter syndrome like that know that you shouldn't look at the job description or what responsibilities they put in place

to determine your worth you know your worth you know what differentiates you with every person that room because there is something that differentiates you highlight that magnify it and just go in there and crush it and no imposter syndrome we all feel it but you can overcome it that's very true the imposter syndrome you can overcome because it is literally other people trying to make you feel a certain way and it has nothing to do with you i literally had that feeling all of hosting bachelorette I have a question. When I think of imposter syndrome, I think of one scenario, we both experienced it. Did you have imposter syndrome when you walked in the mansion or no?

No. I was like the conscious I've ever been in my life. I was the most confident person. When I walked into that mansion, I literally looked around and I thought, I am supposed to be here. I am awesome. nobody has a sense of humor like me nobody gives less than me I literally had zero

imposter syndrome walking into the mansion yeah when I think imposter syndrome Caitlin Bristle is not the first person I ever think about because you're confidence you have so much confidence in so many different directions I've never in my life

had imposter syndrome the way I did when I walked in those doors in the mansion why because of appearance Every person around me was six, three, they're all taller. It was all appearance. No, they were all better looking. Okay. And then I would, then this is the crazy thing.

They're better looking. They're taller. They're stronger. They're huge. They're better dressed. All appearance. Wait. And then I would talk to them.

And their stories were insane. Right? You would have former MLB player. We had two people from the MLS. we had a that has everything to do with what but i'm telling you about their stories right the Harlem globe trowder we had cool i meet colton six foot four beautiful looks like kem barbie doll seems like a nice guy good energy the guy tells me he's a virgin and he played in the NFL i'm like you can't make then then we got the co-founder of venmo on the season but weren't you i'm a buffalo

banker and a fucking shitty ass suit trying to figure out why i'm there i had a girl who literally was like rode in on a motorcycle she was so hot she had such a good education there's other girls there that were like professional singers actually i remember being like that girl's stunning brit i was compared to her the whole time she was the prettier me and i honestly thought i was the shit and it what blew my confidence was going on national television and then trying to deal with what people thought of me and navigating that, which I'm up and down with. But walking into that mansion was a time in my life where I could truly say I was one of the most confident I've ever been in my life. Do you want to know? I could tell you why, though, because even, like,

I even think about, I even laugh. Like I'm thinking about the funny things like Jordan Kimball. I met all this I talk about in the book imposter syndrome. Jordan, Jordan Kimball tells me within the first two sentences of meeting him, hey, like, what's your story? Oh, I'm from Florida. I'm a model. than on four magazine covers. You were not intimidated by that. No, I wasn't intimidated by that, but the combination of it all, I was a puddle. But didn't you feel like you stood out in that way? Well, it took me, you here, and here's the common conclusion here,

it took me a couple weeks to figure out how I differentiated from all of them. And it took you seconds to figure it out. You already said it. I don't give a f***. I'm wittier and funnier than any person here. That was you. That was your differentiator. That's what you did.

And people couldn't keep up with your wit or your humor. And for me, it was completely different. To me, it was to be able to say, like, I was figuring out like I was self-aware to say, wait a second, I can understand how the producers work and how these people work. I don't have to lead with my ego. I can understand why I'm here, how I want to act. I could read the situations, I could react, I could kind of like manipulate the pieces a little bit,

figure out who my allies were. Well, these guys were all so focused on their ego, the exact same thing that allowed them to blow up on national television, yelling at each other, screaming, saying all this shit. The same thing I was intimidated by was the same thing that was the demise to almost every one of them, almost. It's so interesting to me for you to even say I was able to think about how to manipulate who would be on my team or my side.

Like I was literally like, hey, I mean, this is me. If you like me, you like me. If you don't, you don't. I just, I truly, it was the most authentic I've ever been in my whole life to say, I'm going to be so myself that if people like me, sure, if the producers want to do this, I don't care. I'm just going to be so myself that I can walk away from this thinking like, ooh, I didn't try in any way whatsoever unless it was trying to just be me. Yeah. And I think that's fair. But if you're saying you're going into this situation, just trying to be me with all these

things and these moving parts, these cameras, these producers, these people, like, of course you just want to be me. But if you're not also aware of the situation and what's happening, that could be the end of your demise. Producers to me were bosses, right? Like when I talk to producers, they were bosses because they had control over what could possibly happen. I was like, these are my friends. But you also, like, I think, I think that the takeaway here, though, is though when you have imposter syndrome, there's one way to cope with it. It's one to recognize why you have it. and step into that. And then second to say,

what differentiates you? And for Caitlin, your season, I remember you telling me stories about like you guys in the bunks and you would come in and someone would like come at you and the cameras weren't even rolling

and you would say like two things and they would be like, I can't. I can't keep up with her chirping. I can't. Like if I try and step into Caitlin, she's going to twist me inside out with her comedy and humor

and everyone's going to laugh. But that could have made me look awful. But that was your differentiation. that's what was what allowed you not to have imposter syndrome but what's interesting is that's still my differentiator that's still what sets me apart in my opinion i still think i've got something that other people don't and that's why i was one having imposter syndrome but two feeling proud of where i was at in a hosting role because i'm like i'm not this professional hand gesture robot host I want to host and still be me and still have quirks and still be human and still not put on

this perfection like not make any mistakes like even when I was doing the live after show I was like if I mess up like that's human I don't want to because I want to really like prove myself but if I do I'm a human being and people will appreciate that and guess what either the show eventually appreciates that or the show is going to have to change because who are the only humans in the world right now that wear suits and ties? Suit and ties. Full suit and ties. Your president and your newsman and anchorman at your local station, right? The days of sitting there with an anchor and a host that is in a suit and a tie and a stiff moving left to right and saying things to the script with no monotone, we're not entertained by that.

Go to TikTok and scroll for five times. The new, yes, of course, the new generation isn't entertained by that. Those days are done. No one wants to see that. People want to see humans. They want to see the host that's casual and that like can laugh and banter. And there was one off script thing you said. I forgot it after the final rose.

That was so funny. Oh, oh, when they did like the fake kiss. Was there a fake, the fake kiss when you did after the final. That was on the men tell all last season. The men tell all. There's a men tell all. And you said like, and wait, her sister's coming. No, no, no. I know what you're talking about. It was this season.

The guy, there was accusations that he had a girlfriend. Yes. And he said, no, I'm with someone now, blah, blah, but we weren't together. And I said, and she's here right now. And she's here right now. And that wasn't prepared. That's on your script. And that was one of the best parts watching that.

So I think those days of the stiffness are slowly dwindling. Well, the problem is the stiffness has worked for so many years. The well-oiled machine has worked for so many years. But the thing else I'll say is that every well-oiled machine right now, every single well-oiled machine is starting to crack and they're starting to change and the cool thing about COVID one of the most amazing things about COVID is that an accelerated change at a pace that we have never seen and people got we're home and started to think about everything wait a second if I'm a student why am I sitting here at home spending thousands of dollars for this class now when you're there and you're

in the hype of it all, of course, but you're there, you're starting to rethink, what do you do, and why do you do it, and how do you do it? And the great resignation, and all of a sudden TikTok came up, and now we have NFTs, in cryptocurrency, in Metaverse,

and guys, this all happened in two and a half years. Change has never accelerated at the rate it's accelerating now. Never. And so we're starting to see the turning of the guards and all these things. And we need,

huge corporations. We need unbelievable entertaining television shows. We need all of this. But we also need it to change with the times. And as we get more information, as us as consumers have more interaction peer-to-peer like we do, the change is happening. I feel like you're supposed to be a politician.

I'd be a politician. It's happening. It's happening right in front of our eyes right now. I don't have enough pantsuits. to be a woman in office. A woman in office. I don't know. I gotta go.

Okay, we're done. You're like, listen, my edible just kicked in. I did not take any freaking edibles. Why are you so sold on that? Imagine Caitlin is a politician. I couldn't. Talk about changing the guards. I would be a really good lawyer and a terrible politician.

You would be a good attorney. Well, I'm going to say. something. I have so much more to talk to you about, but we're going to call this quits for the night. I feel like this was such a good little hour of insight and advice and excitement around your book. I'm so excited for people to read it. And I feel like we could just end it here because I don't like when people get bored and want to tune out. I'm like, you know what? It's been an hour. Let's end it here. Let's end it here. A little drunk. A little high, I think. I'm not high. I'm not. It's wild to me because you seem very zen. I am zen. And we'll get to other voicemails and prank calls and do all that. But for now, I feel like there's so much to take away from this podcast that I don't want to overwhelm anybody. Yeah, I think that's so good. And I want to just say thank you for having me on. It's been good talking to you. You know, I'm sweaty. You know I have back sweat right now because I'm so passionate about this conversation. I might back. Wait, wait, just so you're on. I don't.

want to feel it. It's disgusting. I don't want to feel it. I'm sweating through my sweatsher. You're also in a beanie and a hoodie and it's hot near. I'm sweating through my sweatshirt. That's how fired up I am about all this stuff. I'm Caitlin for still your session is now. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new mini-sodes every Thursday and check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast.1.com, the podcast one app and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Who's done with OTV? This February on Pluto TV,

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