Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Lauren Zima

Episode Date: November 19, 2020

Kaitlyn's guest this week is actress, producer and entertainment reporter. She is currently a senior producer and host at Entertainment Tonight PLUS Chris Harrison's better half, it's Lauren Zima! They recap the Bachelorette men, praise Tayshia's confidence on the show and even unpack a little childhood trauma. Later, they play a game of Hypotheticals where Lauren shares what she thinks Chris Harrison would do to get her final rose if she were the Bachelorette and let's just say...she phones a friend!  GEICO - Go to geico.com , and in fifteen minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance OXICLEAN – To Work your Magic with OxiClean, go to OxiClean.com/tryme and order a free stain-fighting sample while supplies last RAYCON – Go to buyraycon..com/VINE today to unlock ex clusive deals up to 20% off your Raycon order RITUAL – Visit Ritual.com/VINE to get 10% off during your first three months.   VISTA PRINT - Go to Vistaprint.com/VINE to get started on your unregiftable gift PLUTO TV – Pluto TV. Drop In. Watch Free. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Caitlin Bristow's going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host Caitlin Bristow. Today on the pod, I have a. bit of a big deal. She's funny. She's witty. Kind of like myself. Just kidding. She's way cooler than me.

She is a senior producer and host at Entertainment Tonight. She's also the host of roses and Rosey, which is a hilarious Bachelor recap. And if you're not already watching it, you're going to need to get on it. Also, her other half happens to be one of my favorite people in the world, Mr. Chris Harrison. We get into all of the drama from this episode of The Bachelorette. Give our thoughts on what's to come next. Who are final four picks are what she, would say to Chris Harrison in the Fantasy Suite when we play a little reverse roles of Lauren being the Bachelorette and Chris Harrison being a contestant. It was a really fun game. You learn a lot about Chris Harrison in this episode. So I hope you enjoy. And this episode is with

Lauren Zima who helped me unpack everything going on with our girl Tasia. Hello, Lauren Zima. Hi! Oh my gosh. Can you guess what Beanie this is that I'm wearing? Oh, is this something with Canada? Uh, no, but that was a really great guess right off the bat. Think of breakfast. It's Captain Crunch. Oh, you know, I like, it's not some trendy, cute, like new brand that you need to know about. It's literally Captain Crunch Beanie. Okay, got it. I mean, I saw the sea and I thought you're Canadian and... It's really great guess. Wow.

you did good um also it's so funny that it's i mean i'm from canada obviously and it's 80 degrees outside and we're like you're in a turtlene and we're like it's right so it's fall right well and i'm pretending i mean it's la's weird sometimes we'll get kind of a sweater moment and then all a sudden it's 80 degrees so earlier today i was literally in a skirt and every part of my person was sweating and now today i'm like oh i better i better get a turtleneck on and put on your fireplace yeah i better get get nice and settled in for this harsh winter we have ahead oh god i would love to see you californian surviving canada um how are you what are you doing where are you at um christ's house i am i mean i live here now so we're here you know we're doing it you're doing

it oh i love that yeah yeah i recognize that front entrance i'm like wait i did i know you guys moved in together i knew that well it was i i guess i shouldn't call it quite official yet I still have an apartment. It's just that I'm never there. The quarantine sort of escalated things quickly. Truly, yes. He, we had talked about moving in together before the start of this year. And I was like, your house is kind of far from where I work.

And I like a short commute, you know. I can't be sitting in this L.A. traffic. I'm very busy of things to do. Yeah, you are a busy woman. Yes. So we were going to. have my apartment kind of in the city and have fun nights out and then we were going to you know be at his house on the weekends for a little retreat and then this global pandemic hit and i i cannot

be alone i don't do well on my own and i mean i panic and start talking to myself so i we just kind of decided i just kind of scooched on in here um but i still have my apartment so i guess it's not official but it's it's it's official it's official covid is like that was like so a year ago now. I remember when this all first happened and you and Chris were doing the Instagram lives and we were doing like fun little hangouts and that feels like it was forever ago. A different time. It really does. I keep seeing those TikToks now where people will play like the Carol Baskin song and different sounds and talk about baking banana bread. I'm like, it's a different time. It really does. It's like a different lifetime, but also it went by really

fast. Also, what do you do while he's gone? Because he was, or he's like filming all the time. Yes. So do you guys just do like a lot of little Zoom hangouts or like, how do you get by? We FaceTime. We talk several times a day. He actually just hung up on me as I was in the middle of improvising a quick musical. I don't know why he. Confused. It's just that really enjoy. Right. It was all about, you know, how much I missed him. and it was set to one of the songs from Lay Mizz, and I was really digging in. And he said, I have to go.

That connection is bad. Wow, he could have come up with a better excuse than that. That's the oldest woman in the book. That's why you know. Was it anywhere compared to Ben's sad song that he sang on The Bachelorette episode tonight? I have to say, I think mine was better. Ben, there wasn't even a beat there.

Someone needs to remix it and give us a beat because it has potential. it had potential i agree i said that to brett who is that hilarious twitter what did he just get like um twitter followers from tweeting about the bachelor do you know i'm talking about yes brett vergar i've um he's hilarious he is i've had i've we've met up several times in new york brett is great um just to like grab a drink and talk about the bachelor i think he used to work at buzzfeed um and then he started tweeting about the bachelor and he just tweets about the bachelor yes it's so good And I said, because he said he wanted, or he was talking about how it was such a sad boy song. And I was like, I really want to remix this.

Like, because you're right, it has potential. It was just nobody was giving him the benefit of the doubt. They probably, like, he probably had a whole, like, musical like you did. And they just took a little chunk of it and did him dirty. Do you think? I don't know. It felt, it felt final to me. It felt like, that was all he had, those two days.

You're right. I was, like, trying to come up with this scenario in my head of how he had this whole musical. but you think that like he that's his moment yeah you're so supportive and I appreciate that I'm I'm a little more I judge a musical harshly I need it to be good you know you're the carry-in judge of the bachelorette musical have you been being judged recently oh my gosh it's so funny to like put myself back in the days of like being judged in dance because obviously it was so many years ago that I danced and now I'm like it's so triggering Is it taking you back? Yeah, it totally takes me back to, like, I was telling Jason this, that in my 20s, like, the reason I stopped dancing was because I was literally not good enough. Like, that is, it's a sad, harsh reality, but I just wasn't. I wasn't going to make it pro.

I wasn't good enough. So then now I'm like, you know, you feel good enough because you're like, I'm on dancing with the stars. And then, you know, Twitter and judges. And you're like, oh, God, I'm right back to my 20-year-old self feeling like I'm not good enough. Well, but I totally get that. I mean, I was literally, I was working out earlier. I've been working out with this trainer.

And it's amazing how the guy can be like, hey, you can do better. I'm taken right back to gym class. And I am feeling awkward and like my face is red and everyone's calling you tomato face, which people did use to call me. And it just takes you right back. And you're doing that. Furnace face. Because I would get so red in gym class and dance.

Furn his face. I used to resort to like asking my gym teachers if I could be in charge of counting other people's laps. So I didn't, because I ran so slow. And I'm just this theater kid, you know, and it takes you back. You can go so quickly into that awkward, uncomfortable, not confident version of yourself. And you are doing it in front of millions of people and you're crushing it. Well, thank you. But I've realized that this is maybe something I need to talk about in therapy because I'm like I literally feel like so proud of myself and then I'll go see tweets of being like she's boring and I'm like I know these are Twitter trolls but again triggering I'm like I got I'm not good enough. Have you watched that documentary the social dilemma yet? Yeah yes of course I

have but it's wild and terrifying and a really good documentary it is I mean it affirms so many things I think it for me it put a label on so many things that I could feel but one of the things that I with so much was an understanding putting a name to that negativity bias because overall you can get so many nice compliments from people and then it is that one it's that one thing that one critique that sticks with you in your brain stem biologically it's that and i say like when i think about why sometimes i might respond to like a negative comment over a positive one is because i feel weird saying thank you and if someone's like oh my gosh you're the prettiest person i've ever seen you're so funny about and then maybe like thanks like so you agree you think you're really pretty like

i feel silly doing that where i feel like almost um self deprecated if i like respond to a troll like in a funny way that's i don't you think that comes from something about the way that we are raised to be and to bond as women i think about that all the time it's not very i don't know it's inherent somehow, but I think women bond with each other over kind of not, I don't like when people say women just are catty. It's more like we kind of bond over our insecurities and we bond over and we bond over that stuff. And so that feels easier. It's like your desire to connect to people actually and your desire to not be a full of yourself douche. But even with relationships, like you and I have talked about this. I kind of have a hard time talking about how happy I am in my

relationships sometimes because you can be like a jerk yeah it's true it's true i'm like well i don't even need to go to therapy anymore i just talked to lorenzima that was deep and that was really bang on that's true it was somehow like that is how women i can think about times i go on you know the marco polo app i talk about it all the time it's like an app where you can talk to friends okay so i go on there and immediately i'm like i feel like i need to point out the sit on my face or say and they're like some of my best friends like i just am like i go on and i'm like oh I'm so sorry, don't like, am I going to do this? It's like the initial like thing that we do when we talk to our girlfriends. Oh, if someone compliments my shirt, I'm like, I got it on sale.

It was on sale at Marshalls. It was $10. It was so, so great. I don't know if you'll be able to find it anymore. It was on sale a couple of weeks, you know, months ago. I love it. It's a staple. And so that's what I where I got that. Why do I do that? Oh, true. You can never just be like, thanks. Or like if it was an expensive one that you're like, like, wow, I really, like, worked hard for this. You'd never be like, thank you. It was a lot of money, and I actually earned it myself and, like, went out and bought it.

Nobody ever says that. No, you have to justify it. I found it on The Real Real, and it was a gift from a friend. And so then that is how it arrived here on my person. Yes, I know. And then there's me wearing a big wine guy's sweater and a Captain Crunch Beanie. I'm like, I literally got this for free. Can we give a shout out?

The Captain Crunch Beanie, I didn't know what it was at first, because it's very subtle. It's a subtle marketing. The captain's not on the beanie. It's very subtle, and it makes you kind of respect their brand, and I'm like, they should be a sponsor on this podcast because I won't stop talking about them. Sea for Sheik, yeah, I like it. I like it.

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Do you agree? Oh, I love if you don't because, okay. No. We can have that discussion, too. The moment when Ben, who I'm loving, asked her if he could talk to her and she said, Ben, I felt like you had your. chance. I was like, oh, shit. Hey, Tisha. Just shut that man

right down. Especially because she likes him. It wasn't like he was just some little doucheer that was a nobody to her. Like, you can tell they have something. So for her to shut him down like that, I was like, damn. Well, I have a theory about that. I think I think

Tasha's roses are not meeting much right now. I think she's playing hard to get. And I think the guys she actually likes she's not giving the roses to like why did like noah i don't i think he's fun i love watching him i'm not sure i think tach is really into him um yeah i don't know the roses are feeling a little out of left field for me because i'm feeling stronger connections and just what i'm seeing on screen with her and some of the other guys so i think she's she's deflecting a little bit or playing a little bit

of a mind game what do you think yeah that's true i mean i guess i can put myself in her position and know that at times i was like i'm just going to give this guy the rose like like he was fun yeah he was fun and i like keep the other ones on their toes and like yeah i i totally agree with you i was going to ask you because i'm sure everyone asks you this you're such a big bachelor fan you always have your your roses and rosé show and like everything you you recap it you cover it and i'm like how do you go spoiler free while dating chris harrison i know it is the question and i understand that. So I truly want to watch the show. You know, like I love it. I want to watch it. So does he like tell me how his day is while he's filming and that he'll be like, oh, crazy day today?

You know, like, yeah, it's really, it's going to be good. It was like wild. Absolutely. But I want to watch it. I want to be able to genuinely recap it and review it and ask the right questions and be in it. So it's kind of, I'm like, don't tell me. I don't want to know. I would be the same way. I want to watch it as a fan now, not as someone who has, who could get the inside scoop. I want to watch it as a fan. It's so much more fun that way.

And people, I wonder people, or if this bugs Chris, because it bugs me for him when they're like, I want Chris Harrison's job. He literally just walks in and, like, says it's the final rose. And I'm like, that guy needs to, like, be away from his family, be away from you. I know. He's, isn't he not like a part of the production? like he works so hard and everyone's like he just locks in and says that like he actually does a lot more than that I well I mean and you've I mean you've seen him in action on set and at work a lot more than I have I

I think especially we've seen it this season I mean wow the COVID times they said Chris Harrison to set he is he's like also bartending on the side they're like make them a drink um introduce the date tell that guy he's going home he's not getting a date uh I mean he all the job All the jobs. All the jobs. He's got them. Yes. And I've loved watching it.

I think he has such a sense of humor that we don't always get to see. I mean, he's not. And of course, I think people don't know how much he is involved with. Oh, hi, Jason. Yeah. Hey. Just talking about our boys, Jason. You getting a snack, a little cheese, let me get a sharkooty.

What are you doing? Just got a little coolest light. Oh, cool is light. A one that's made to chill. How's it going, Lauren? Hi! I miss you. You got to go enjoy The Bachelorette. I got to enjoy it. We need to double date here sooner than later.

Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, he, I mean, look, the guy has been a part of the show for 20 years since its inception. Is he involved in every single decision? No, is some stuff above his pay grade? Yes. but does he absolutely help produce and get involved in key decisions and like make great moves on the show and make it awesome? Of course. I think he's such a humble guy that he always gives credit to everybody else and there are so many hard. He really does. Right? Like there's so many

hardworking incredible people on that show. But yes, he does an awesome job and he is, you know, what I love about Chris is that and what we really relate to on in many ways is we both started out like in local news grinding learning storytelling and i think that stuck with him the whole time yeah absolutely that's so true and he is so humble i love when he posts about like the crew and how much you know i remember i'll never forget he got mad at me one time because i think actually it was an interview with you and it said the thing i think the franchise should be done and it was like basically me joking saying yes with you but being like no i'm just kidding because i love watching and blah, blah, blah. And he just read the headline. And he goes, okay, I'll tell everybody that

has their jobs there that you said this. And I was like, no, read the full article, Chris Harrison. Don't read the headline, you rookie. Oh, my gosh, I don't even remember this. This is so funny because I've actually been interviewing you long, way longer than I've been dating Chris. So our relationship is more of a history. Basically, we are more in love than you and Chris Harrison. Yes, which by the way, I'm glad we're finally doing this podcast. podcast together. It's been such a long time coming. It really has. And it's so funny because we did that one live one that was so long ago. Well, probably like last year and we don't remember. But I loved having you on. It was so fun because one, you're a professional. So that helps with all of that. Hold on.

As I crack open some wine. Is that the babe? Which one is that? Is that a new one? This is the babe red, which I adore truly. It's like it's in the can. As I'm alone here alone in Chris Harrison's house, I don't have to open a whole bottle because as much as I love to drink to finish a bottle by oneself in one night, might be a question mark.

So I just open a can and here we go and I love it. But yes. That's amazing. I'm like all about promoting whatever people's wine, but I drink a bottle of mine and that's that. I don't feel guilty about it at all, okay? I don't care about the one glass. I mean, just kidding.

No, no, no. drink that whole bottle. Yes, this is, this, yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Question for you, though, is Chris Harrison a grown-ass man? That was a, oh, sorry, so many feelings just flooded through me because I had so many issues with that group date. I hated it. I hated it, right? Because it made no sense. First of all, I don't know. There's something about the word ass, not that I mind saying it. We just said it so many times. And it was like the, I feel like we heard Claire say like, I want a man, man, man, man that now we thought we were kind of like past that. And then having Tasha say it a million times, like, I'm looking for a grown-ass man.

It's like, well, I would hope so. Nobody comes on the bachelorette for a little shitty boy. Like, of course you want a man, grown-ass man. And then they make somebody suffer as being the man-child just like totally emasculating, Ed. Ed. Ed. I grew to love Ed this episode because of how he held on to that baby. He was holding that baby. And I thought, that's a grown man thing to do. He was watching that child. When Chasin came at him, he said, dude, I have a baby. And I said, yes, protect the child.

And he was watching it and holding it. And that, to me, was a grown man thing to do. I just didn't understand, because the shoe has done some really fun things in the past, like when they hooked up the guys to that labor machine and, like, that was amazing. I just thought we could have had better challenges here, to be honest. I didn't understand why math and spelling. and like calculating time and then we're grown men things to do.

I'm like, see if he can do a tax return. Right. See if actually matter in a marriage. Yes. See, ask him what he would plan for an anniversary date. Ask him which household, like have him do some household chores and see, you know, which ones he would expect to take on a weekly basis. So the female load wasn't more than the male, like in the home.

That's what I have told. Well, we, I totally agree with all that. That's what was stressing me out. And then while they had Jared and Ashley, who Jared is like, Ashley, like, loves the boy bands and, like, the boyish things. Jared, like, loves his comic books and, like, Superman. And then they're, like, doing the grown-ass man challenge, talking about how it means they did numbers.

And it was when it was like, oh, I'll crush this date. I was like, oh, okay, easy numbers guy. But it was just, yeah, I didn't like how that's how they determined what that was. But also, I mean, then you think about all the dates. now we're going to grease them up and put them in a wrestling match half-naked where if they did that to women, I would lose my shit. With a paintbrush.

We had a paintbrush for that. Tough time, Lauren. I mean, I suppose I can't. I still, what I do love that they have made this season and brought us the show that we love without it being completely through the lens of the pandemic. But I still think about it.

Like, I'm like, maybe it wasn't so easy to run to a store like maybe they just had to find that paint brush and get that that oil holder it was a ketchup bottle it was a ketchup bottle that's what it was figure it out it was a ketchup bottle that they filled with oil yes they took from like the concession and used it with a paint brush to grease them up and i would like to know how much they broke out like in acne all over their like chest oh the drains at the lequinta are clogged those poor staff members They had to pour some drain out because that's a little. Yeah.

I agree with you. That's not a date they would have done with women. I will say, and I don't know if this is a controversial thing to say, but sometimes I'm like, you know, women, we've been through so much. The men can have a little laugh and it's funny. They can do this. They can take this. You know?

I hear you. And I think guys like it because like their testosterone takes over over everything. And they're like, ooh, this is going to please her. when this is my favorite part literally they like think they need to be so tough i think she's really attracted to sensitive men who are like super humble and have a good heart and so you know they're all fighting in this date and they're like oh i need to do this and they're chirping each other and she gives the group date rose to the guy who like blindfolded her to fed her a strawberry like really she just wanted a little fruit that's why why did bennett win that challenge it made no sense we'll be right

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And then he goes and gives her breakfast in bed in a robe. And it was very uncomfy. Like I was uncomfortable watching it. Really? The Bennett part. But you love him, right? I love him. I think he is a Clark Kent Superman, beautiful television personality moment. But I

think there was something about the lighting to see two people in a bed in a full, a full fluorescent light. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't sexy. I will say that. I did want a bignet. I don't think Bennett made those. I think a chef at the La Quinta helped.

Yeah, of course. No, you see how that was plated? If he can't spell limousine, he can't like plate of like that. Like that was, unless he's a chef too. But I, what did you think about, um, Jason? Tebots! Goat serving himself as for feast. It's going to be a no for me, Jason.

Yeah. It's a no for me too, Jason. Tempitt! First of all, he had the nerve to, say anything about Bennett wearing a robe? I said, sir, you're shirtless in an apron. In an apron. And second of all, I mean, you want to talk about something a grown man would not think. A grown man would know, I, this woman wants a real meal and I'm going to bring her some food. Okay? Because yes. No, you are not the feast, sir. Tell me how you felt about smoke show.

Everyone, there was controversy about her, him chasing calling Tasha a smoke show. Where do we land on smoke show? I thought that was so like, they're literally. grasping at anything to get upset at him about because Jason called me a smoke show yesterday. And I was like, thanks. Right. He literally did. He like calls me a smoke show. So I was like, well, I don't think this.

I mean, okay, he probably did pick it up in his college days. But like, think of all the words and terms and things that we do. Like, his smoke show really something that's like, like, women can be called worse things than a smoke show. I wasn't offended by it because I did feel Jason was being. so genuine in thinking that it was a good compliment. Like, he would, it was ignorance. You know, he just was like, she, I've come up with a new word and yeah, smoke show. Like he was vulnerable in that moment calling her a smoke.

Yes. And, and so I didn't, I didn't get upset about it, but I do think overall, you know, a grown man could do much better, could come up with many a better adjective. Especially in that moment of television when this is like supposed to be. you know, maybe your future wife. I agree with that. It's like, smoke show is like, okay, like, if you're watching TV and there's like a hot guy, I'd be like, I got a smoke show, you know,

but like when on the bench, you know, you're in front of a camera. Yes. He's in this gown. I don't know. I see both sides, actually. Or when it's, when you're in a long-term relationship like you and Jason and it's cute and it's endearing.

As an initial compliment, it's tough. It's tough. You got to reach a little. deeper. But I think that's fair. I don't think anyone on that challenge proved themselves to be a grown man. To answer your question from many a minute ago, Chris Harrison is a very grown man. And the wrestling date didn't really show me much either, but I did love Joe on it. He was a true joy and delight the anesthesia. Oh, I loved joy, oh, joy, Joe too. Joy, Joe gave us joy. Joe gave us joy. He, he's actually like such a sweetheart and seems like,

a really nice guy like I hope he sticks around also Chris Harrison and I always have to call him Chris Harrison do you call him that I do yes okay good um him in wells like those are two people I would like to see bantering on my screen that like having wells on at any time I feel like is also a pure joy I think there were again the COVID but I think that there were some really awesome things that came out of it like because you know it was not easy like imagine you know usually they have like you guys have celebrities on the show and make appearances. And to get them on, you would have to ask them to, like, quarantine and test and be at this resort for days and days.

That's so true. It just worked out really great, I think, that some more alumni were on this season than usual, and it's awesome. Yeah, I think so, too. But I do think it's funny how Wells, like, has so many good one-liners and so much good banter that I can't even imagine the amount that gets cut that doesn't make it to TV because he always feels that way as the bartender. He's like, I had so many good, you know,

the drama to be shown. I'm like, oh, I would love to see the outtakes or the bloopers from those two sitting on the sidelines. Oh, my gosh. When I, and the thing is, you know it's funny when you can really remember it. Like when he was talking about the wrestling and he said he's throwing him down like it's a fantasy suite. Wells did that was so funny.

He said it, he said mounting him, mounting him. And then Chris said something about like, like a Saturday night at your house. And that got me too. They were so funny. loved it this episode like a friendship too yes i mean they were dressed exactly the same down to the number of buttons they had unbuttoned which i feel they called me on your twitter i think was yeah that was interesting i think they planned it a hundred percent i this episode to me was very much like fun getting you know taking taking bring tasha in has felt like getting back to the

formula after the show of the show of it after such a strong departure yeahel parcher Um, and I, I think we're getting to know the guys better. I, I'm, I agree. Like, seeing Joe, the anesthesiologist who is like funny and fit and has a fabulous man, but I'm like, oh, where have you been? Or like, Ben, where have you been? Okay, hi. And Spencer, where did you go? Yes. He was such a, like, character on the last episode. And then, and they had like a pretty good thing. And then today I was like, wait, who's, oh, Spencer. Oh, what happened to him? He was like, not on this show at all today. Nick, I did Nick,

uh, podcast, Nick Biles. He predicted that Spencer would be top four. And he and I strongly disagreed on that. I said, Spencer is not top four to me. He was like a bit sticky in the beginning and I don't see that happening. Yeah. Okay. Well, who do you think her top four are as of right now?

I would love to see Joe in the top four. Huh? Me too. I think he will. I do think. Uh-huh. Okay. So I'm going to say Joe.

I think Joe was kind of like a dark horse. and he's going to come forward. Yeah. I think she likes Bennett because she kind of shut him down, said, no, I can't give you another minute. So I think she's into Bennett. She seems, or I'm not Bennett. Sorry, Ben, but I do love Bennett.

I was like, what? No, no, no, no. Bennett is all my love, but Bennett is like Bennett in paradise all day long. Yeah. I think she is into Zach. Her and Zach seem to have some deep conversations. I like, I'm team Zach right now. Yeah?

Yeah. And I'm trying to think of one more. Brendan. Oh, who she had the one-on-one with. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Those are my top four. And I think Zach C is really going to like, he seems like, I feel like he seems like a little bit normal and humble, but I think he's going to fall really hard and it's going to be like kind of a Blake Becca moment. Oh, yeah. I can't figure it. It's so interesting that you said normal because I can't figure out how he got here. And tonight, he didn't give us much of an answer. I think his actual quote was, I'm here to see what's here. And that's why I'm here. And I was like, what?

And she was like, yes. Exactly. She was like, I get that. I'm like, well, I don't get that. And I love Tasha and I love Zach, but Zach, I didn't, I didn't get that. And, but no, I think he's, he's one of those people who does. I'm like, is this a genuine story where like, your mom or a friend nominated you and you just wandered on here or something because he gives me that vibe. Yeah, I think so. He just seems like he, and they don't really seem to know a lot about the franchise, I feel like. I think they're all a little bit blind, which is great because like Ed is making some great TV. He, I don't think, I don't know if he's watched the show before, but the fact that he, it's like he has and he kind of knows how to play good TV or he's just like

so easily um talked into things by producers because he was like literally got greased up he's like ready to go waits the whole episode then he goes to get in the ring with him with what's his name um chason and and then he's like last night he's like can i talk to chris like not production can i talk to chris i and i have a shoulder injury and then they like cut to him like pumping iron like working out his shoulders that was a moment where I was like a hundred percent I just have to acknowledge this in the moment this has to be that somebody said okay now go tell Chris because it made no sense why did you get so oiled up you're so you're so greasy now and you have yeah for nothing why would you do that if it was a real issue I don't

understand bow out sooner but yeah I also think you know it's good to get to know the guys better and to see their stories and their personalities come out more because I do think about, again, the pandemic, but they had so much time to cast these guys because the filming schedule changed because of the shutdown. And I do think there's some really good, interesting dynamic people here. We just hadn't seen them until now. I agree. And I feel like every season people are like, oh, I don't like this group of guys or this group of girls. And I even said this season, I'm like, you just wait. I feel like this is going to be a really great cast of guys. You just have to wait until we really get to know them. And that's

what I feel like today's episode. I was like, okay, we're getting there. We're like, I'm starting to read to people. I'm starting to know their personalities, which I love this part of the season. The first few, I'm like, hell, let's get this over with. And then you really get to know somebody. But, um, Jason, why can I ever remember that? It reminds, it rhymes is Jason. Jason, um, I'm starting to think that here for Instagram followers is the new here for the right reasons. Like it's the like modern day right reasons. Are you here for Instagram followers? Well, I love about this is that Tasha is an influencer. Her job is to, you know, gain followers because that's what she's going to get brand deals and certain things. And it's like,

wait, you want to build an empire with someone. Jason wants to, you know, follow up and build a brand this could be a match made in heaven you're not wrong you are not wrong i know i was getting a little lost in even the dialogue when they kept saying he's here for his career i was like is he an actor like what's happening but but that's it it was that that was the undertone you're so right i mean and that's okay like i'm gonna be like sure i'd be cool the great you know to have a following because then i could start this or have a passion for this like it doesn't have to have to be a bad thing that these people are going on there for Instagram followers because of course they are and also they might want to find love and that's an okay combo you're listening to off the vine

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And that has been missing on Peter's season. Peter was a pilot, but so many of those women, I was like, what does she do? What is she? And you need to have that discussion. Or honestly, even on Colton Underwood's season, it was like, okay, well, he used to be an NFL player, but what is his job now? And we're not talking about that. How are we supposed to root for somebody and, you know, like, follow their love stories when we don't even know what they do for a living? Right, because that is, of course, an incredibly big cornerstone

of what you do in a relationship and how you do build a life together. So I agree with you. I like when we just lean in a little bit to it. I actually, I have that question with Claire and Dale, to be honest. And I've said this before. But I want to know. I want to ask them. I want to interview them and ask them about the fact that Dale has like said he wants to be the next Ryan Seacrest. He wants to do all those things. And Claire said she didn't want to be with a guy who was doing interviews. So I'm like, I want to know. Right. That was a whole thing with Matt James. That whole little whatever banter that was between them because he, she even said like he wanted to be the next bachelor. well that's okay you hadn't met him yet like he could have fallen in love with you been like oh my god

i can't believe i thought i wanted to be a bachelor when i met you like you never know what's going to happen on that show but for dale it's like well that's if that's what he wants to do now you are kind of contradicting yourself but that's also okay like yeah i would want to ask them the same question i just want to know if they've talked about it yeah like how'd you work it out how'd you talk about it because that is such a fascinating part of the show is to watch people figure this stuff out and i love when we really get into it i mean they're in this bubble and there's only so much you can talk about without actually experiencing things. But I like when we get into it. And Jason, I guess, wants to be an influencer. I mean,

that's an assumption from Ed right now. Like does he? We don't even know. Question mark. Is Ed jealous or do you think Jason is a bad guy? I don't think Jason is a bad guy. I don't get that vibe from him. Do you think his shirt is a large or a medium or a medium i think i think it's a large you know let me ask this is i i'm just going to get superficial for a moment yeah you think chason is just uh just on paper just look attractive he reminds me too much of um who's wow why am i blanking on his name um who did becket tilly used to date ro robert graham yeah yes that's what he reminds me of like like Robert Graham, but he's up, I don't know, I can't tell.

I, that's what is fascinating to me about it is I feel like if I just saw a photo of him, I would say, oh, what a good looking guy. But now because I've watched, it's one of those things where you're like, but no, but seeing you in action is, is lessening that for me. Right. And I always find that the guys that aren't like as attractive on paper, quote, unquote, are the ones that I find them more attractive as a season goes on because they have with personality. I feel that way about the women, too. When I watch women on The Bachelor,

I'll be like, well, I mean, of course, everybody's beautiful, but they get more beautiful if you get to really fall in love with their personality. And I think that goes the same for the guys. Like, um, Zach C, for example, people probably saw a picture and was like, well, I don't know. I wouldn't like, you know, like, you know, he's cute, but yeah. And then you get to know him and you're like, wow, he's got a, he seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders. And he, that makes somebody attractive in my opinion. One hundred percent. And, and And what is kind of fascinating me now about our time with Tasia is that I'm vacillating so quickly between these guys. Like with Claire and Dale, it was we are all in on Dale.

We know what she wants. Now I'm like, wait, this guy's a frontrunner this week. It's this guy this week. And like now it's kind of a mystery. And I'm quite excited by it. Me too. It is a mystery. And I'm like, oh my gosh.

Like I really and you don't either don't know what's going to happen. I don't know if she ends up with anybody. If there's even like a drama at the end, I'm sure there is. is of course, but like I don't know anything yet and it makes it so much fun to watch. I know. We've seen, uh, I asked her because I interviewed her about that moment that we've seen in the promo with her in a white dress. I'm like, Tasha, there's, all that that says to me is proposal moment, but then I think back to Colton Underwood season where we saw on the promo that he had a ring box. Then there was never ultimately a ring and it's like, we don't know

where you're just like. And she was so tight-lipped about it all. Tasha. Yeah. Yeah, she's, I mean, it's so tough too because I we all know I'm a spoiler and I spoiled my own season but like I think about certain things as like me in the lead these days with social media and like how many people can take a photo or expose something or anything and I'm like man it's so hard to avoid spoilers now with with social media I know and I feel so bad like I felt really horrible for example for Claire and Dale over the weekend because I think Dale was in New York and it just looked like everybody and their brother was trying to snap a photo of him or like, you know, and that is, that's just, I don't know, like, I do feel that people want to be like the one who caught a moment or had a photo or whatever. And, and I guess I just, I don't know, I encourage people to remember that one photo doesn't encapsulate a full action and one moment isn't everything. And we judge quite quickly on the internet. Oh, do we ever. We do ever.

And yeah, but the spoilers are, that's kind of been something that's been great about the filming and location thing. Yeah, right? Like some photos came out because I think in some ways it made it easier. Like everybody knows where they are and people can take photos and get those out. But then some stuff, it's like, ooh, it was all on lockdown. I know. I agree.

That was part of like the mystery is that there wasn't, nobody was like getting those photos out of like, oh, we saw. this on location or this and like here's a date with this person like maybe there's some pictures out there but I haven't really seen any no I remember on peter season I think photos came out that production was like at mattie's house because just like you know her neighbor like took a picture of the crew and it's like okay well there we go everybody has a phone you know yeah um and I don't I I love the mystery and the analysis when like spoilery stuff comes out but at the same time I do like to just experience it's such a balance what a yeah yeah wow it's hard being a

badger fan um let's talk about let's talk about um noah's mustache before i uh play one game with you and let you go because i think i saw did you tweet it or do we already talk about this that you like the mustache right i like the mustache a polarizing it permeant you did i did too said it to jason on a last week's episode i was like i kind of dig the mustache i feel like he rocks it like It kind of gave him like a distinguished, more mature look because he is quite young, right? Isn't he 25? Yes. Yeah.

So it made him like feel a little more grown up. And I know that sometimes I can make someone look like douche or like, I don't know, I guess the guys didn't like it. But I was so here for the mustache. I was too. And she was very passionate about getting rid of it. I mean, look, to each their own, I like a little scruff. I like a little facial hair. I thought it gave him kind of like an 80s vibe in a fun way.

I was here for it. I did wonder, you know, are we, is this just a moment we're doing here for television, you know? Yeah. We had that razor right there ready to go. Yeah. Was that a brand deal? Yes. And but I liked the mustache.

I did. So thank you for being on the same page as me. I don't feel so alone. No, you're not alone. I was really actually sad. Like I wanted to make a Twitter account for it. it's probably already happened. I wanted to like,

like I kind of want to throw out a funeral right now. I just, I'm like sad to see it go. I don't know if like, that's kind of a mystery of the show too. I'm like, will he grow it out? Will the mustache return?

Like, why is that not in the teasers for coming up on The Bachelorette? Caitlin, thank you for asking these questions. I'm very invested in the mustache. They're very important questions, but I was a fan. I was a fan.

Did I ask you a big question that I was thinking about a lot tonight? Yeah. How are we feeling now that we're really in it with Tasia. Like, have we moved past Clare and Dale? Are we still thinking about it? Are we missing them?

Do we feel we're in a totally different season? How are we feeling? I feel like we're in a totally different season. I forgot these guys were even part of Claire's season. I was just because the rumors had started so early about her and Dale that I didn't get invested with her and anybody else. It was like, I was like, okay, when are they going to wrap with the Clarendale thing? And I was like almost waiting for something else.

So I love that. Claire got to do that and find him and like go do their thing. And now we got to have Tasha as the bachelor. And I think it's great. And I forgot that was even a thing, to be honest with you. I really did. And I love Claire. And I'm like so happy for her because they seem so in love.

And it's great. And it's a great foundation for them to start on rather than going through a whole season. But I kind of forgot because I'm like, oh, this is Tasha's season. also right they're seeming so separate to me now i mean yeah i also just clarendale was great television i mean i was on the edge of my seat and now this is feeling like such a different vibe i feel like we were on we were in a drag race and now we're on a road trip and like they both have sights to see and there's a finish line for both but they're just different wow that's really good oh thank you we'll be right back with more off the vine great therapy this episode

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now. Pluto TV, drop in, watch free. Now back to Off the Vine Grape Therapy. That's good. Yeah. I love cars. No, I love cars. I'm driving Chris Harrison's car around, I have to tell you.

And I freaking. I, dude, I drove it into the garage. No, you did it. Yes, I did. Oh, whoopsies? Was that just like a whoopsieie? Or do you not know how to drive his car? Or is it like an intricate, like electrical car?

What's going on? It's one of those electric, eco-friendly Teslas. Oh, there you go. Okay, that's, I did it. Thank you so much for the support. Yeah, of course. Always here for you. I mean, I was pulling into the garage and it kind of tells you, like,

He got like 20 inches left, 15 inches left, three hit a wall or whatever. And I don't know if my foot slipped or if I was talking to someone or long story short, there's some stairs like in the garage that lead up into the house. And I just, I drove it right into those stairs. There's a little, there's a little dent in it. You know, that's the Tesla's fault. If that's going to let you, if that kind of car is going to let you hit the stairs, blame the Tesla. Thank you so much.

and when you think give us our money back right when you say let me pull it into the stairs you mean it warned me 20 inches 18 inches 15 inches and I still knocked right into them you should just stop it for you it shouldn't allow it to go any further that car can like park itself how is it not stopping you if you're going to hit what if that was a dog it should stop you thank you so much now I will say another yet another example of Chris Harrison being a grown it's just every interaction I have with him. I am reminded of how wonderful he is. I called him and I said, hi, it's me. Crashed your car into your house. And he goes, oh, babe, I'm rooting for you. He literally goes, well, babe, you know, driving it is hard.

Not only, not only are you not. Not only are you not not only do you react totally calmly, but you somehow, like, defend me in the situation. It was wild. And then he goes, don't worry about it. When I'm back, I'll take care of it. I'm like, wow, I don't even have to take it in a Tesla store. I know. He really. That's so sweet. That's so sweet. I like that story. Oh, thank you. I mean, I don't even know what to say. You're like, I like cars. I like cars and I like houses and I like to crash them into each other. I mean, that's on the record now. Now if I

have, God, but I did it. You know, I did it and I have to own that. You have to own it. That's, this podcast is all about owning who you are and things that you've done and asking for forgiveness and we forgive you. And we don't forgive the Tesla. Okay, so I've got a game for you. I feel like you're really going to enjoy this. Oh, I'm so ready.

Let me take one more sip of wine them. Yeah, please do. I'll explain and you can sit. Okay. So we're going to pretend that the script is totally flipped you've watched so many seasons of the show you know what you like what you don't like so i'm going to create a hypothetical scenario where you're the bachelorette oh wow and chris is on the show and what it would take for him to get the final rose with you okay okay i love this i'm so ready okay so how would chris come out of the limo to win your heart he would be wearing a really suit, just old school Hollywood sexiness. And he would come up to me and recite a line from a

rom-com. Like he would say, I'm just a boy standing in front of a girl asking him to love her. So good. A little... You thought about this before, haven't you? It just hit me a little nodding hill moment. I mean, just kidding. I dream about it every night. What? That's actually so sweet. Okay, what kind of guy would Chris be in the house? Would he be the funny one, the one who starts the drama, the best friends with everyone, the guy that gets drunk and jumps in the pool? What would he be?

Oh, I think we both know. He'd be like the dry humor guy, right? Like, he would be, he'd be the one where someone's doing something stupid, like dropping a weight on their toe like an idiot and they'd cut to him like doing side eye 100%. Yeah. And then he's in the ITM saying, that guy's upkin idiot. Yeah, yeah, he would definitely. the dry humor. And I feel like that's, well, I shouldn't, I'm not trying toot my own horn,

but I feel like that's what I was in, like when I think about my time back on The Bachelor, which is an actual life. That's why you were. Caitlin, we talked about this earlier, toot your own horn. Don't apologize. You were hilarious. I was such, I had such a dry sense of humor that I would literally just make fun of all the girls to their faces and that they got like my humor. And then I'd go and I wouldn't, feel guilty saying it in the in the diary room whatever no that's big brother kately in the um ATM room because i be like they already know i'm going to say this in this show i'm just trying to be funny and i feel like chris would be the same way 100% that's why you guys love each other

so deeply like when you were like straight sexiness i'm like uh-huh uh that's went down uh okay what would your first date be on the show with him Would you have him right away or would you save him for later and you save like the big extravagant date for him? What would it be? I would save him for later because I'm a little bit of a game player myself and like that's from the beginning. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then I would do I would do like a boat date with him because that's where he really shines. You know, and I like to go, I think when you're first dating people, it's good. to like put be in scenarios where they can shine he would be like let me open a bottle of wine for

you on the boat oh wait also i'm like a little bit rugged so i know how like the sale works let me like and just to enjoy a charcutory together and like just take all that in he's a great conversationalist so if you want to just talk to yes that's that's actually really i feel like you've played this game before i was just going to say why am i so ready with these answers it's not even you're ready you're like very detailed like that like you have thought about this before and i'm living for it this is really great okay in the episode um chason calls tasha smock sure we've talked about that um what what would chris call you to make you feel a certain kind of way oh wow um i feel like i should call him and ask him that question do it could we call him

yes i feel like we have to the amount of times i would call chris on like a live podcast tour and put him on the spot he'd be like i hate you he's going to be like a really bad service and hang up on us i know he's going to be like please stop singing it's so wait what did you say babe i said hello no saying the way you just said it hello you said hello you're on with kaitland and Hi, Chris. Caitlin, who? Oh!

You love when I put you on the spot on my podcast. I do this to you all the time. Okay. All the time. All the time. She will FaceTime me. Oh. Yeah, so then I have to put clothes on to actually...

Yeah, every time he has to put shirt on. It's really embarrassing. I wish I'd had you on speakerphone, but I was a little worried you would say something dirty, but I swear on my own life. He just said, hello. Damn. I wish we had that. That was very safe for me. What'd you say? I start with Adele, hello, but I always go into Lionel Richie. They are very confusing. And then I say, is it me you're looking for? So it starts Adel, but it goes right to the Lionel.

Well, you're both of them. You are. Yeah, you're like the songbird of our generation. Okay, so we need your help because Caitlin is having me play this fun game where I'm pretending to be the Bachelorette, and I'm pretending you're a contestant on the show. And then... Oh, what a nightmare. It's going really well so far for you. It's going great. We've picked...

I've chosen your limo entrance. We've picked our date. But Caitlin just said, we were talking about how Chasen called Tasha a smoke show tonight, and Caitlin said, what would Chris call you to, like, get your attention? What would you call me?

Yeah. Well, I don't think I would call you anything. Okay. Well, is there... What would... like what would i what would i say to you sure yes i mean if you came out looking like you normally do i would just look at you and i would say you look stunningly beautiful oh are you angel he's just i know it's hard because you're no case than chrisarison

i don't i've never called a woman a smoke show well you're not jason tarnock those are words I wouldn't use that's like something a buffalo boy would say jason not a grown-ass man yeah oh that's it like that's not my vernacular you know that right no I couldn't even imagine you saying that that what you just said was exactly what I thought you would say and it was beautiful thank you that would be I would right away as soon as I said smoke show I felt the hat on my head just turning around backwards okay we have a bad connection Bye. I just hung up on him.

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Okay, would you use the fantasy suite? And what questions would you be asking when the cameras are off? Oh, wow. Oh, my gosh. Okay, this is fascinating to me because this is like the one thing that the average person doesn't know about what happens on the show or even me covering the show. I don't know. Can I ask you first? How many hours do you get legit in a fantasy suite? No cameras. Like just how many hours is it that you spend with the person? Um, probably like eight. Eight. Okay. Wow. And is that that's all conscious time? That's not like you've fallen asleep in that time. Well, you usually do fall asleep. I'm not kidding, because you have three of those to go through, and you're so tired from the whole season, and you don't get any sleep that in that time, you're like, oh, my gosh, like, I'm with the person, like, I'm having deep conversation.

You're doing whatever you're doing, I don't know, and then you're tired. And is it back to back to back, or do you get like a day of rest in between? You get a day of rest. You get a day of rest, yes. Okay. So that's a weird world. it's totally weird right yeah totally let us here you know it let us here just another weekend what would i ask chris in the fantasy suites i would ask him what he does for a living

i mean i what is i i i hate to say but it's like you just that's when you ask the most boring questions right like what do you do where do you see yourself living that's when you're knocking out the basics that's when you're like oh i don't have to do this for television and be like what's your like why are you the way you are and what are you know like what do you want out of like you can be like who did you vote for and like what's your tax return like what's going like those kinds of questions i mean i think i would ask the questions of you know just like what do you see your life being and um how do you treat gosh this is hard i you you have to ask those future questions too right and i don't even mean

in like the let's build an empire together way it's like where do you want to live and um where you want kids yeah at the end of your life what do you want to have to show for it that's what i that is a jason tardic question right there he always wants to know what people's like legacy what they want their legacy to be yeah when their time is up which is a great question i think that's a great question. Okay, last, but not least, would he cry during the proposal? Yes. That's so cute. I freaking love you guys together. I'll never forget when he told me. I was one of the first people he told that you guys were dating and I was like, I am obsessed with this right now. I was so happy. You guys are perfect for each other and I just adore you. Oh, thank you. I think you were

the first person in the bachelor world to know. I was. Yeah. I was. Yeah. I was. mean you know what i will tune my own horn i do it too too too honk it you were because you you were and and like also because you know you know i love you and i've interviewed you for years and always just think you're so funny and smart and and grounded and amazing so it was you were like the perfect person to be the first person to know because we both love you so much and i just felt like i was i felt like i was like I was like mom and dad are together like that's what it felt like not that you're like a mom but you know how the cool kids say that these days like mom and dad oh no I love that thank you I yeah I think he would I mean Chris Harrison is a sense of soul you know he loves the wrong

his favorite movies are like Notting Hill and the Devil Where's Prada like he's very much a man also who you know like he has his he loves his daughter so much and like I have fallen in love with what an amazing father he is and what a champion he is of her. And I see that. Like he will, you know, he's like if he, his daughter sings and like if he hears her singing, he's going to cry. So, oh, I love Taylor so much. That's, that's so true. He, I've always said, like, for people who don't know him, what I, one of the things I love the most about him is that, like, I've seen him as a parent. And he's just such a caring soul who, like, he's, like, He really is such a good father and good human and has a good heart.

And he's just always been one of my favorite people from that franchise. So you guys are amazing. Good thing I hung up on him earlier. No, that was funny. And he respects your humor and you'll call him right back. 100%. I'll let you go call him right now because that's, this was so much fun. I love recapping.

I love watching you recap. The Bachelorette. So to do it together was really fun. And tell everyone where they could find like Roses and Rose. Everything you got going to tell us. Oh, thank you so much. Well, yes. And thank you for having me. You know, I adore you in the podcast. And I am on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok at Lauren Zima. And then I do this Bachelor Recap review show, Roses and Rose. It's on Entertainment Tonight's YouTube channel. I am a correspondent for Entertainment Tonight, the entertainment news show, which is where I have interviewed Caitlin Bristow many a time. Yes.

And I am actually launching a podcast of my own soon. Yes. You have to come on it. I know. Why did it take so long? The pandemic slowed it down. I had some plans in the pandemic slowed it down. But I'm launching it.

So go to my Instagram to check that out. And then Caitlin Bristow can come on it. Yes. I'll be on. Whenever you want to have me, I'll be that annoying guest that's always there. Thank you. Captain, Captain.

Yeah, call me. I hope that's all me Canadian Captain Crunch for the rest of that please. Sheik Canadian Captain Crunch. I can't wait for Chris Harrison to return home from filming The Bachelor so we can go on a double date. I miss you and Jason so much and can't say enough about how wonderfully you've been doing on dancing with the stars, you queen. It's so crazy. I can't believe it's the finals. Thank you for saying all those things.

I love that I get to talk to you every Monday night after the show too. So there's that. And let us know what Chris is home so we can double. date and other than that love you thank you for coming on and i will talk to you soon love you bye love you bye okay next week on the bachelorette things look like they get heated as they always do at this time uh the drama as always continues and you know what else continues off the vine so tune in for next episode and i'll see you there your session is now ending thanks for listening to off the vine grape therapy tune in to hear you hear you

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