Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Micheal Lennox Talks Kaitlyn Through Dreams & the Unconscious

Episode Date: October 17, 2019

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Podcast One presents Off the Vine, Grace Therapy. Caitlin Bristow's going to answer your questions. Drink to your confessions and hear what you have to say about anything Bachelor. Let's shake it up some more. Here's Caitlin. All right, welcome to Great Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now starting.

Super excited. I've been wanting to talk to somebody who specializes in dreams, like, and what it means, and I have very vivid dreams, like, to the point where they actually upset me for a full day, and sometimes I can't get over them. All right, we're going to shift that. Oh, my God, you can. We are going to shift that. You can help me? Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. Okay.

And so you have been on, like, TV shows and radio shows and done all this. You, um, tell me, just tell me about yourself so we can start it of you. All right. Yeah. Let's start with the very beginning as a kid. just the show tune album of Fiddler on the roof. This is really where it starts. My mom had a copy of the album, played it all the time.

And in there, there's a dream sequence. And in the dialogue, she says, tell me what you dreamed, I'll tell you what it meant. Now, I heard that 7,000 times as a kid. 15 years old, my mother gets a copy of Freud's interpretation of dreams because she's going to grad school. I read it because I think dreams are amazing. Yes.

And I am 15 years old. I don't know what I understood, but I definitely got that if you looked into a dream, it had stuff to offer you. So as a teenager in high school, what did a kid say? I had the craziest dream last night. And I'd be like, Golda, tell me what you dreamed. And I'll tell you what it meant.

And that is really how it started. What happened was I would listen to dreams and I would just respond with whatever I felt like saying. Yes. Now, years later, I found out and figured out what was happening. Dreams are a story. They're told in a language. The language is symbolic.

You simply tell me the story in the language of symbols, and I'm hearing it back in both the language that you're speaking to and the symbolic language. And each symbol in a dream has a meaning based on what it is, what it does. This is a glass. It holds water. So it's a dream about my capacity to draw to me and imbibed the elixir of life that this water is. The dream is about a broken glass.

it's a dream of my lack, my incapacity to fulfill a need. That image and its meaning is not something that I know that you don't. You could think that out if you, if I assigned it to you. The gift is I do that so fast that the minute you tell me your dream, I can reflect it back to you and tell you the story behind the story. When I was a teenager and kids heard what I said, they went, wow, that's so interesting. I loved that. So I followed that experience. And that was how dream interpretation sort of first emerged. Wow. Meanwhile, curiosity is about spirituality, to a road card, psychology.

If there was a workshop, I did it. If there was a retreat, I went on it. If someone said bang this pillow with a tennis racket, I banged it. So then cut to my mid-30s. I'm working down the street from where this studio is at Playboy, of all places. I'm a vice president at Playboy, having a lot of fun. Of course. But my soul is being eaten a little bit.

I'm selling, you know, that. What is that? Well, there's a word or two for it, but I'm not going to say it on the podcast. Well, you can. I was selling. Yes. No. Judgmental.

I don't have anything wrong with that empirically, but it wasn't what I was here on the planet to do. And so I went to grad school. I had no idea why I was going. I did not want to become a psychotherapist, but I thought, let's get some more wisdom and information about how people work if I'm going to help them, teach them. So that just sort of led to a television show when I finished my master's sci-fi network was looking for dream experts. I got the job. We spent two years on the show.

We shot 65 episodes. It was ultimately canceled pretty quickly. Right. But it opened the door for something that I'm doing now, which social media supports, which is a public display of spiritual teaching. that's taking the rage. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah, because you have like a master class, right? Yes, every day you have a master class

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So good to be here. Well, you know why? Because we got grabbed by the enthusiasm of obviously a topic that you're passionate about. I am. And I'm passionate about it. I am. And just right from the get-go, I was like, ooh, I like his energy. You've got really great energy.

And you do stuff with, like, astrology. Because I'm always so fascinated in the people who don't believe in that. Because I'm like, there's so much proof. Like, if you just take a second to look. When I sit with a client and I say, oh, my God, what happened in May? And they say, oh, my God, I can't believe you're saying that. That was the month when my, you know, fill in the blank. Yeah.

That warrants you to thinking, oh, I wonder if there's something to this. Right. Well, I've had that experience about 40,000 times in my life. You have that experience over and over again enough to watch the simultaneous playing out of transits in astrology, movement of the planet, events in people's lives, watching them go together and reflect each other. And I don't need to prove it to you. Like if you're not a believer,

get out of the way. There's somebody right behind you that does believe, and I don't want to waste my time trying to convince you because that's not a good use of my time. I need to learn from you because I am known to like call out the trolls on the Internet and like go that because I'm such a fan of a clapback and I love to be a little chirpy. it's part of my sense of humor, but then I'm like, but people are like, but don't give them

that. And I'm like, but I'm giving them a little life lesson. I heard you though say that there is something that you do like about that little quality of yours to push. Can you, are you able to pull it back after it's sort of engaged you? Yeah. Okay. Then you're, then how about it? Okay. Be that person. Thank you. Who, as long as you can touch in and then pull back. If you, if you let it drag you into, you know, Haterville. Yeah, right. Yeah, no, no, I could totally come out of it. I could totally come out of it. So everybody always says that Gemini's are like the crazy. I'm Gemini, but I don't feel like I have like all the crazy cray of Gemini. So first of all, understand that the sun sign astrology that we understand as, oh, you're a Gemini, I'm a Leo.

Yeah. That's not real astrology. That's something that emanated out of newspapers between the 1930s and the 50s. What happened was Prince, some princess was born. And some astrologer wrote something about her childhood would happen, and it did. And it was, you know, the war and stuff and her, you know, whatever the stuff. Anyway, the point is, what the astrologer predicted in the newspaper came true, and the newspaper went, ooh, they started hiring astrologers to write columns to attract viewership. And by the 1950s, everybody in the world knew their sunsine because of astrology horoscopes. But that's not real astrology.

So what's real astrology? Well, what's real astrology is your sun is in Gemini, which means the center of you, the being of you, the integrating hub of you, just like the sun and the solar system. A part of you that's burning and never stops. The you that you are from your first breath to your last breath identifies with the archetype of Gemini. But your Venus, where Venus was when you were born, will be how do you feel in your emotional body? How do you deal with intimacy? Your mercury will inform your communication and your thought process. Your Mars is about your embodiment, your sex life, and your decision-making capacity.

They're in other signs probably, which means you vibrate with other archetypes, not just the archetype of your son. How do I figure this all? Well, that's where a professional astrologer comes in. And, you know, one of the things that I'm doing in my business expansion right now is I'm using the value of social media platform to expand my reach. And I've created a course, Astrology 101. to teach people how to read their natal chart so that if you're tooling through social media and you hear that Mercury is going retrograde because it does that every 88 day. Right.

Now you know that it's happening in the sign of Scorpio and you know that that's your, you know, eighth house of change and transformation. Suddenly the news that Mercury is going retrograde is something you can actually work with more definitively because you know how it's impacting you personally directly. So how do people find this online? What is the website? Michael Lennox.com is the website. Okay.

Dr. Michael Lennox on Facebook, Dr. Lennox Dreams on Instagram. Okay. I'm all over. All over. I love it. And can you explain to me how dreams and astrology relate to each other if they do? To me, they relate because both set up archetypes to interpret. Okay.

So like the dream of the path in the woods and I come upon the snake and it wakes me up because I'm afraid of snakes. The archetypes are the archetype of path, the archetype of woods, the archetype of snake. and so path being my journey through life, it's in the woods, so it's not my, it's my private journey. And then snakes are change and transformation, right? They shed their skins and every third grader learns that. And so snakes become a symbol of the growth happens, the skin sheds, and the change has taken place. And so snakes represent change. People are terrified of snakes.

People are terrified of change. It's a good symbolic meaning. Right. Similarly, in astrology, if I'm reading a chart and I'm looking at, in how a planet movement today is impacting somebody who was born, say, 25 years ago, there's archetypal meaning to

the planet, the geometry, the place in your chart, each has meaning. I know that meaning, and so that I interpret a moment for somebody through the meaning that the astrology is setting up which expresses what they're feeling in their life right at that moment.

Something's happening with the dream interpretation. I'm interpreting archetypal meaning based on the images that are in your dream and it's reflecting back to you, something that you're unconscious is expressing. So that's what dreams are. It's some, yeah, what are dreams? That's well, that's the million-frikin dollar questions we are because, A, we don't know what dreams are. Right.

They all my mind. They are multifaceted. We certainly know now things that we didn't know decades ago about what's happening in REM sleep with the brain chemistry. We process metabolic waste in brain cells during. REM sleep. So there's a huge importance to that that's physiological. We can't clean metabolic waste out of the brain because of the blood-brain barrier. And the lymphatic system does that for the body. But up above the neck, we've got to do it differently. So what happens is the brain cells shrink, the space in between fields with cerebral spinal fluid. When REM sleep is over, the cells

creep back into their original position. But all that metabolic waste that's now in the interspaces gets squeezed out, processed by the blood, brain barrier, brain poop is cleaned up. Wow. That's something that happens in REM sleep. Another thing that's happening in REM sleep, and this is really important, is that we're forming short-term memory. The brain is going to re-experience everything that came into it during the day, parse through what's important and save it as a memory, and cart off everything else that isn't relevant

and important. That's an incredibly valuable, productive thing that REM sleep is making. happen for us. And so very often our dream content is stuff we've done that day because that's what the brain is doing. It's reviewing. Now, a scientist will come along and say, we know this and we know that we're reviewing stuff from the day. So therefore, dreams have no meaning. Yeah. That's wild hubris. It does not disprove the mystical component to dreams. It simply shows the brain's activity that correlates with it. It's like that meditation portion in the brain that lights up. They're like, oh, then there's no

God, there's just that brain lighting up. It's like, well, what if that brain lighting up is the evidence of our divine nature? Same thing with dreams. Just because we're doing this with memory and dreams doesn't mean they're not mystical. The psychologists for over a century have believed that

dreams reflected the unconscious mind. I'll take that one step further because I like to use the word unconscious to represent everything that's unknown to us. Not just the psychological unconscious where we're like, oh, the stuff I don't want to think about is and where little demons live. But that's also where creativity comes from, where our divine connection comes from,

where we're connected to all other human beings on the planet. And when our rational mind that thinks we're separate from everything goes to sleep, the rest of us is free to perceive the more, I think, real reality of a spiritual connection. And the unconscious wants to grow and change and evolve. And it helps us do that by throwing in material. into the dreams that if we pay attention to them is actually helping us work through our fears where we say no, where we shrink back

from life, where we're challenged. Okay, my dreams are always fear-based. Like, I cannot tell you how often I have dreams or I'm like an angry person in my dreams and I wake up and I always go, God damn, like, why am I this angry in my dreams? Like, I am full of rage in my dreams. Why?

Wonderful, wonderful opportunity to show the sort of the way, everything, I think in life in general, comes to a wholeness and completeness. It's like you are in life, in your waking life. Clearly not rageful. No. Clearly not afraid to take risks,

to move about the world, to be successful, to take a lot of stuff on, right? Yes. Your dreams are helping you do that by visiting the parts of you where you are afraid, where you are angry, where rage really does exist. I know that you're enraged

because you're a human being, honey? We are angry. From the minute we get here, we are challenged with both whatever, angry at God for taking us out of, you know, Eden, angry at our family for creating, you know, that crucible where we become the crazy people that we have to undo by going through adulthood, you know, right? Yes. But if we don't give that some breathing space, we can't function.

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We were so in love, but he was a very lost human being. And he would go out and do drugs, and I wouldn't know, and I was very naive to it all. And then I would find certain things out. about him going to the strippers and I was like it was my first love so I was like is this what relationships are like I don't know and so I remember being around him and any time I was upset or he hurt me I would get so upset and he would laugh at me and now I'm not kidding you from that time I'm 34 years old now and I still in each relationship serious relationship I've had I will dream that the guy I'm with like for example Jason I'm with right now is

the nicest person you'll ever meet in your life. Happy go lucky, just great human being. And in my dream, he does exactly what my first boyfriend did to me. And that's every relationship I've had. It's always, sometimes it's even my first boyfriend's face. And it's still the exact same situation. And I wake up so upset by the other person that they did this to me. And it like, and I just am like angry in my dream.

And I want to like hurt them. Right. We apologies to your current boyfriend. He's always a point. He's so angry at me in your dreams. Well, first of all... It's like almost four times a week. Oh, wow.

Okay, no, no, that is significant. Yeah. So the experience that you described of your boyfriend and your relationship with your high school boyfriend sounds very dismissing, very dismissing of your sovereignty, of your actual bona fide feelings. Yes. Which people have to learn. they have to learn sovereignty. They have to learn, I deserve this.

They have to learn, I have a voice. And I think women have a harder time with this than men because you're not socialized to have strength and sovereignty and power. You're actually socialized in a very different way. Right. So here you are in your young love experience and you're having, I love the question, is this what love is? Well, part of it.

Right. Part of love is I love you and then I hate you a little. Yes. And then we work that out to the best of our ability. And then I love you more if we've done that well. Right. So this is just a place where, how can you do that well at 1670? You can't.

But you have the imprint of one of the ways that love is hard as I lose my power. Yes. And that becomes my fear in all relationships. And then that becomes my truth. So what this current dream is is a marking of, ah, Caitlin, this is a moment where I have felt like my power was taken away from me. Yeah. It's not your first boyfriend still trying to, you know, demonize you.

It's not that you're failing at relationship. These are moments that dreams are actually helping you be with the experience that you might have missed. Right. You might have missed the moment where you felt dismissed or where you didn't feel sovereign or where your power and control felt like it was taken away from you. But it might have happened and then you dive into dream world. Your brain, your unconscious knows what's the perfect image?

to match this moment of, I don't quite feel like I'm being seen or gotten. Ah, it's just like the high school boyfriend. I'll call that image up. And that will help me wake up the next day, having processed a little bit, that moment when you were feeling threatened or not quite heard. So when you have this dream, since you're having it a lot, you might want to look at if it's happening four days a week, what's happening the day before? When you wake up having had that dream, I would invite you to scan the day before and see

where did you abandon yourself? Where did you not speak up? Where did you enact something with your boyfriend? Even lovingly and wonderfully today, that's still a negotiation in relationship. Who's got the power and who's got the respect? And are you giving both to each other in equal measure? When that doesn't happen so much,

we go to sleep. We've got to process the feeling so that we can wake up the next day, look across the bed at that person and say, yes, I'll do this again for another day. Even though last night in my dreams. you weren't a very good boyfriend. I know, I tell him that all the time. I'm like, you were such a terrible man in my dream last night.

He goes, I don't know what to tell you. Also, my other reoccurring dream is that I get shot and that I keep getting shot and that I pretend to be dead, but I'm not. And I don't feel anything, but I know I've been shot. But it just keeps, I get that. Pretend to be dead. Yeah, but I'm not, but I know I've been shot and I'm not in pain. And I just lay there and pretend I am just so nobody keeps shooting me. but I always get shot in my dreams.

And this is a fairly recurring dream. Yes. Okay, so everybody's going to have some version of this. Okay. So, everybody's going to have a recurring dream. Stressful, reoccurring dream, often it's the tsunami or the shark. I've heard dozens and dozens and dozen. So we get emotionally overwhelmed sometimes when pain is present and we think, oh, my God, if I have any more of this grief, I'm going to drown under it.

Tsunami Dream is a perfect expression of that. Like this emotion feels dangerous. Yeah. One thing that is interesting about being shot and pretending that you're dead. You're pretty young. I'm easily twice as old plus a little than you. I feel young, yes. School shootings.

Yeah. School shootings are a part of your psyche in a way that they're not for me. Like, I watched them start happening. You came up in a world. But I lived in Canada. It never happened. Right. I got it, except that the idea of being shot and pretending you're dead in order to save yourself. Yeah. That's a very school shooting concept. And I even want to, like, when I have kids, I want to go raise them in Canada because I'm too scared about school shootings in the States. So the reason I'm even pointing any of this out is I got curious, where might you have gotten that idea?

I've been shot and I have to, you know, pretend to be dead, you know, to be somehow saved, even though that's irrational dream stuff. A lot of times people will share their particular recurring stress dream and it's like, oh, you got that from a video game. Like it's a zombie, you know. So what you're exposed to as a young person will infiltrate your dream imagery because that's just what happens in the world. Every human wants to have some stress-oriented image that allows them to have a stressful day, go to sleep, process that stress with the recurring stressful dream. Being shot is really about control in some ways. It's like whatever intention you had being shot says that someone else has the power and control to stop that track and make you deal with them or being shot. Right.

So somehow when in your life you feel assaulted, stopped, controlled, invaded, you might dream that night of being shot. And it's the same dream over and over again because it's economical. Right. It's just your brain says, oh yeah, that moment. Caitlin's stressed. Let's throw her the shooting dream. Right. Because it matches the stress of the day.

And do you think that people who have passed can visit you in dreams? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So I have a crazy story. One of my really, really, really close childhood friends passed away in a car accident, and it was just traumatizing to everybody and our families. And, like, it was just awful. And my mom is, like, a very organized, paranoid, worried person where, like, she turns off every light when she's leaving a room.

She always, like, is worried about me leaving a curling iron on. Like, she's just always worried about these kinds of things. She came home for lunch, and I was sleeping. and she put one of those burner covers back on the burner and didn't turn it off. Yeah, and left to go back to work. And this is so not like her, winter thing. And my girlfriend came to me in my dream, and she was in this long white dress, and we were in a grocery store, and she said, you have to wake up.

And I said, why? Like, I was so tired. I was like, one of those, like, just got to high school. I'm like, I could sleep in whenever I want. I would sleep till one. And she was like, you have to get up. And then she left the grocery store. And I was like, but wait, when am I going to see you again?

And then I woke up and I was like, I should go back to bed. And then I remember my dream. And I was like, is that a sign? And I went upstairs and my whole upstairs was covered in smoke. Oh, my God. Because my mom leaving. Yeah. I love it.

Yeah, I said absolutely, you have no trouble convincing me that that was a bona fide, energetic experience of super consciousness, stuff that's a mystery, but that we're all connected. Yeah. And that the connection to the event in the upstairs of the apartment, your sleep, the dream, your friend. is all connected because we're way more connected than we are separate and that separate seeing mind when it goes to sleep

we are free to experience the way in which we're really all connected. That's so wild. And it saved your life maybe. And it saved my life. How long have you been doing this for? Well, I would say as a professional sort of like this is the only thing I'd do for a living

20 years. Okay. 20 years I've been working with people one-on-one in group settings, retreats, because I do a lot of things. I'm a psychologist, so I do a little psychotherapy. I'm an astrologer, so I do a lot of astrology re-res. But I'm also a coach. I also teach people how to meditate. I mean, so I've just had one of the things that have been juicy about what I've gotten to do over the last two decades is it's really so many different things that I'm always jazzed and excited

because it's a little bit of this, a little bit of that, a lot of teaching. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. And you have books you've published. I have. I've actually got three books on Dream. Yeah. One of them is actually in five languages now. So my first book called DreamSight is just about my perspective of universal meaning. It's like more of a working kind of book. And then there's a dream dictionary, Llewellyn's Complete Dictionary of Dream, which is a reference guide, like 1,200 terms. You have a dream about, you know, being shot. You'd look up gun.

Right, right. And then this third book is really just a gift book, the little, Llewellyn's Little Book of Dreams. It's not, it wasn't new stuff. It was the amalgam of the first two books in the gift form. That's so cool. I love that. I'm excited to read mine. I really am. And then I also had a question of lucid dreams.

Can you explain to me what a lucid dream means? In the spirit of the idea that this unconscious, conscious thing that we sometimes think of as black and white, really isn't. So what a lucid dream is is when a little bit of your waking consciousness slips into the dreaming consciousness and you become aware that you're dreaming. So the lowest rung of this is just that. You're having the dream. And a moment in that dream, you go, huh, I think I'm dreaming. That's a lucid dream. Now, there are layers of lucid dreaming that go even higher.

I've had two experiences in my life only that were this, but I've had them where I was so awake in a dream state that it was as alive as this is in this room. Yeah. But I was sleeping. that was crazy I feel like that happens to me a lot it's in the system it's built into us this is not something that's foreign

like I can control what I'm doing I'll be like okay I'm dreaming and I'll go like find things that I want to do that's lucid dreaming so what I've seen and learned about lucid dreaming is that there are people who are naturally oriented towards having the experience

you are clearly one of them I am not I have devoted my life to dreams and speaking about them and thinking about them and interpreting them since I was a kid, and I'm 56 now. So it's decades of this, and I've had like two. Wow.

Big now, they were big and they were major, and I loved having them. Yeah. I think that people are, because it's out there in the world. If you, you know, if I was interested in teaching lucid dreaming, I'd be filling my classes. I've never been interested in teaching it, so I've just never been doing. Partly because this is not something that happens to me. But I think it's interesting and valuable for people to do from this perspective. this life experience is confusing as all get out,

but we are very powerfully creative. When we learn that, when we understand that in consciousness that we're creating our lives with our thoughts and how we choose, then we can have a better, bigger life if we do that with more consciousness. Dream lucidity is one of those places where we believe already that anything can happen and probably will because we're in a dream. So you just said, I've controlled things. I've made things happen.

Yeah. Well, I'm here to tell you that you can do the same thing while awake. Yeah. Through consciousness, through intention setting. Yeah. And when people vibrate with the idea of being lucid in dreams, I think it has a natural artifact of increasing their appreciation of their power to create when they're awake. So when I'm having these dreams that my boyfriend is cheating on me and going to the strippers

and being awful and laughing at me while I'm crying, how do you think I'm just slowly healing? through that because it just feels like it's been a long time. I'm like, how do I make them stop? First of all, I think the dreams are always for us, never against us. They're never about something, you know, destructive happening or bad happening. They're really, they're illuminating our process to help us become better humans, right? So I just believe that with all of my heart and soul. I also believe that in the power of healing anything, because I've healed so.

much like just personally through therapy and consideration and workshops in retreat i mean i've just done so much work i had to yeah my mother had a personality disorder my father was one of the nastiest people on the planet with his verbal rage um so i had a lot to heal yeah and so one of the things that i know about healing from that is it takes a really long time so i hear you saying to me it's taking so long it's still the same dream and i'm here to tell you that that I trust and believe with all of my being, that, yes, you're healing this. Yes, it's slow. One of the ways we heal it is we choose to be an intimate relationship with people who respect and care for us.

And that shows growth. Yeah. But we're still practicing our intimacy fears by having moments where, yeah, we don't stand up for ourselves as well as we want to be or we have an interaction that isn't, you know, the way we desire. to relate in love and intimacy and we grow as a result of hopefully having a partner who'll meet you and will show up to that.

So I believe that these healings are happening for you and that they're happening slowly even though from your perspective it's like when's it gonna stop? I know. I guess if I think about it, it has gotten better because no, it's

I mean it's pretty bad. But the relationship is a relationship. You can stand by It's the healthiest relationship I've ever had. That proves my point. Yes. Okay, you're right. You're right.

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This is Austin Vine, Grape Therapy. I have myth or fact game for you. All right. Myth or fact, sleeping pills affect the way you dream. Oh, fact. Yeah. But different for everybody. There's no one way.

Yeah. Some people will take an SSRI and have crazy dreams. Someone else might take it and not be able to remember. Right. Do we all dream every night? Absolutely. So that's a fact. Okay.

That was a myth of fact. Yes, absolutely. If we didn't dream, we would not be able to. to take in new information and data, like, literally, like we would start to hallucinate by the second night. Have you ever not slept for a night or two? Yeah. You start to lose your mind a little bit.

That's actual because the brain, well, first of all, the brain is filled with poop. Yeah. And metabolic waste feels like stimulation to the brain. Yeah. And so after two nights of not sleeping, you've got all this metabolic waste up there. You're going to start hearing things and seeing things that aren't necessarily there. Yeah. Because the brain needs sleep and rest and cleanliness to function properly.

So yes, even if you don't remember, we know you're dreaming because you're not psychotic. That's amazing. Okay. Is eight hours the ideal amount of sleep? Well, you know, I would answer that question as yes, but I would answer from the perspective that I'm, I'd like to do CrossFit. You are in great shape. Well, thank you, baby. Thank you.

I know this is a podcast, but I did wear my tight short sleep. Yeah, no, you look great. The point of that being is that there's a lot of. of information in the wellness community today that says that sleep and eight hours of sleep is hugely important. Okay. And I'm someone who naturally sleeps eight or nine hours. Me too.

I'm very lucky. And I have an endless amount of energy, as you have commented on. And I think that's, and I think there's something to that when you use your body fully in a day, when the nighttime comes, you want to go to bed. And I'm up at 5.15 at the morning rearing to go. Oh, not I. I hate mornings, and I am not raring to go. Round noon, raring to go.

Yeah. Well, you probably stay out way later than I. I don't know about that. I'm pretty much... I actually love going to bed early. It is impossible to die in your dream. Myth or fact? I will say this.

I have heard so many people over the years report dreams in which they die. I think that's very much a kind of a myth and urban legend idea. Oh, you can't die in your dream because if you did, you'd really die. Except that, how would we really know? Right. That's true. So I got to say, I don't know. That's a very good point.

Okay, let's get to some questions from listeners. A lot of people, it's so interesting to hear everybody's dreams just because I'm like, oh, wow, that's a dark one. Okay. Okay, Casey Matheson wants to know, do dreams always mean something about your past, present, or future, or do they ever have no meaning? You know, the answer to that question is only if you ask. In other words, anything and everything can be interpreted, whether it's a dream, an event, a living dream. I work with a lot of people in having a more conscious experience with themselves by interpreting the living dream. Like they have some crazy thing that happens with work, car accidents, or this or that.

They'd be like, what would this mean if it were a dream? So anything and everything can be interpreted. But if you do that to every dream, then you're just solipsistic and boring and ought not like be allowed, you know? And for me, as I've grown in ancient wisdom, I don't work with every dream because I don't need to. Right, right. And so many people, I'm reading a lot, want to know about teeth dreams.

Oh, the old teeth falling out. Yeah. So teeth do a couple of things for us. First of all, they attract love. You reveal them in a smile and what happens. Woo! Love, okay? They also help us sustain and nurture ourselves.

They're part of digestion, right? So right there, attracting love and sustaining myself are powerful parts of how I stay secure and grounded in being a human being. Well, if I lose my teeth, I'm losing that ability. The mouth is also always focused with communication, right, this area of the body. So I have heard lots of interesting versions of that dream that wind up being interesting. Like, I remember Tiffany Granth, a playboy chick who had dreams of bubblegum pulling out her teeth. Oh. Well, she was a hot, blonde chick that nobody took seriously.

They all thought she was like a bubblegum mouth. But she was really quite smart and bright. Yeah. So you see how it can be general for anybody, but also specific to a person. So, yes, losing teeth is about insecurity around love, sustenance, and perhaps having a strong voice. Yes. Okay. Barbara wants to know

the strangest dream ever I was pregnant and I gave birth to a pug I went to buy baby furniture but it wasn't human sized it was tiny Barbie toy size furniture

she goes am I okay I need to know I'm okay yeah yeah yeah so with this dream I'm gonna have to go to very pure universal symbolism so pregnant and baby

is just about gestation and birth of something new yeah right doesn't have to be literal right dog is unconditional love

My favorite joke, and I can't remember where I first heard this. You lock your boyfriend and your dog in the car for three days. Who's happy to see you? Wow. So at a certain level, the dog is about birthing some new loyalty, some new unconditional love sensibility, some new like, I will love you no matter what consciousness. As far as the pug piece is concerned, I'd have to speak to the dreamer and find out what her personal associations with that breed are. That's true. Kaling, with a G.

What does it mean to dream about deceased parents? Are they trying to tell you something? You know, I would have to say the only person who could answer that would be the dreamer, right? You know, that's a very personal and subjective experience. I would say that I've also heard lots of dreams that feel like visitation dreams because they're very specific. They are singular in setting. They're never complex storyline dreams. Often it's the room you're sleeping in even.

The person who's visiting from the other side is usually silent or conveying some very simple message like, I'll as well, I'm well, I love you, or maybe wake up your houses on fire. Whereas dreams that are like, I was in the clown car and then dad was there and we had an ice cream car. Like that sounds like a dream dream. Yeah, yeah. So my experience of hearing dreams where people are actually visiting are those single. kinds of scenarios. Shelby Chevalier says, why do I feel the physical actions that happen in my dreams?

Spider bites, alien abductions, a.k. being whipped around my room, she says she feels those. Yeah, absolutely. The frontal cortex is lit up during dreams. You are experiencing everything that you are thinking. Now, this connects to the memory processing piece that scientists would therefore say everything else is not, you know, real and bona fide. But the frontal cortex is lit up. That frontal cortex makes your body move. Yeah. So the brain paralyzes the body when you're in REM sleep. So you won't act those things

out. Yeah. But this woman sounds like she has a less strong paralysis. And so she's feeling the sensation of the stuff that she's acting out. Makes total sense. Okay, one more. Okay, this Rebecca Passa says, what does it mean when you have dreams about packing a bag? Oftentimes I dream about rushing out of my house in a hurry in order to avoid an apocalypse or natural disaster, and the majority of the dream is focused on picking the belongings I would want to take with me. Sounds like she's actually having a collapse of two standard dreams. An apocalypse dream is absolutely a standard universal dream. She sounds like a planner.

Well, you know, what's an apocalypse other than an enormous, I'm out of control. I have no control over this huge change that's. taking place. So we have to start with Apocalypse means everything's changing. Yes. And then the packing would be, am I ready? Am I prepared? And I'm not. I can't get my stuff ready. I can't. I can't. So that's

the fear. Yeah. The fear is in facing something that's out of my control, can I release some sense of false preparation? Yeah. Yeah. Because the fact is we can't control anything. Right. Including the apocalypse. Yeah. Is it happening? I think so. Turn on. Turn on the news, baby.

looks apocalyptic to me. I used to have those dreams all the time, but that was because I was watching The Walking Dead. Okay, last thing, I need to hear your confession before we go. Because you must have something from working with Playboy. Oh my God, oh my God. You know, I had this thought as I was parking. Just for people who are listening to this, we are recording near where Playboy was located back in the 90s. And I was a vice president of Playboy.

And I went from Metro Goldman-Mayer to Playboy. Playboy might have been, you know, Playboy, but it was still a home video television channel business. I was not with the magazine. I was with the video. So it's my first month, and I had a couple of really weird experiences. My first month, and I'm like, I'm at work, I'm at work, I'm at work, I'm at work. My boss says, come on, we're going to go visit Doc Johnson. I'm like, okay, Doc Johnson.

I didn't really know who that was, but they are a very large purveyor of adult sex toys. Okay. So I've got in this meeting It's like my third week in work And I'm sitting in this guy's crazy crowded office With my boss I'm looking at some of the magazines on the table And I'm just floored

Yeah Not by the content sweet art Believe me I've seen some of that content Oh honey Absolutely but I'm at work I'm at work I'm at work

And there it is Big black That was the name of the magazine Staring right at me And I'm a gay man That magazine was more interesting to me than the meeting. So he says to me after this meeting, I don't even remember what we were talking about

because I was interested in the magazine. He says, you want to go see the warehouse floor? I'm like, yeah. So we go through these. See where the sausage is made. So I walk into this room past these, you know, plastic dust cover thingies, and it's this big warehouse space.

And what do I see? I see across the room about 20 women in white coats. Yeah. And each of them is holding a dildo with one hand. Wait, I need to record you as you say this so I can promo this on my off the vine page. So these women are holding dildos in one hand. And with the other hand, they're doing this. Okay.

And this is in a workshop factory. It's a factory. It's work. These women are at work, holding dildo is doing this. And I'm just like, I'm across the room going, oh, my God, what are these women doing? Like they testing them to see if they work. I don't know. So I said to the guy, I said,

said, okay, dude, you got to tell me, what are they doing? And he explained, he said, these are silicone latex with a mold that is two pieces that come together and the silicon bleeds out. They're rubbing off the extra latex. So they're really doing this rubbing latex off, but to me, it looks like this. And I'm like, I'm at work, I'm at work, I'm at work, I'm at work. That is so funny. Gosh, you probably have some stories.

I have some stories. You've seen some shit. And I participated in some stuff, and I've had some great stories. Oh, damn. Well, now I have to have you back for part two. Anytime, maybe. I need to hear those stories. We can just do a full podcast on what you've seen.

See that Playboy. It reminds you the time I walked into an underwear store. I was with my boyfriend at the time. And I look over, and I didn't know him very well. We just started dating. And I look over, and he's smelling panties. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, what is he doing?

What is he doing? But it was scratch and sniff, and he didn't realize how terrible. Well, it looked because he's just other sniffing panties in the back corner. And I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, all they're scratching stuff. Oh, God. God, you asked. I know, I should just ran out of the store, but it was a funny story.

Anyways. Well, thank you so much for coming on and talking about all this. I'm just fascinated by you. And I just can't wait to have you on again because I just need more. Anytime, any subject, truly. It was a blast. Okay. Okay, amazing.

I'm coming back in November. So I'm going to see what you're doing. All right. I love it. Thank you so much. And again, tell everybody where they can find their masterclass and your Instagram. Yes, Instagram is Dr. Lennox Dreams, DR, L-E-N-N-O-X dreams. On Facebook, it's Dr. Michael Lennox, and the website is Michael Lennox.com.

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