Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Natalya Neidhart

Episode Date: December 5, 2019

Kaitlyn sits down with Canadian-American two time women's wrestling WWE champion Natalya Neidhart. They get right into with Natalya's stories about training in her family's gym commonly known as "the dungeon." Natalya debunks many common conceptions about wrestling! She talks about the importance of her emotional connection to the audience and her intense stage fright. Next, we hear about her insta-famous cat and how she deals with wild mishaps during a match. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow, your session is now starting. Today I have with me a Canadian-American professional wrestler who is actually the first third-generation female wrestler in the world. She's a two-time women's champion in the WWE and the first woman to actually hold both the Smackdown Women's Championship and the Divas Championship. You might also know her from the E's Network, Total Divas, where she and other WWE superstars give viewers a look behind the scenes

and into their lives, please welcome to the podcast, Natalia. And you call yourself Natty? Yeah, you can just call me Natty. Okay, I like Natty. I like that. Thank you so much for being here. So I went to a show in Orlando. What do you guys call it, a match or a show?

I'm such an idiot. Show. Okay. So I went to a show in Orlando, and I loved the fans. Like, they are so passionate and into what you guys do. And, like, it just was such a fun environment. And I think for people who don't know or don't go, you don't really realize how much of a family you guys actually are and how it's it's such

entertainment but also a sport there's nothing like it there really is nothing like it's so it's so unique it's like people will often who don't know wwee they'll often ask me like what is wwee and it's like it's like a rock concert meets the olympics meets like i don't know aerosmith it's like it's it's it's so crazy because there's it's like a it's like opera at the same time because we're we're performing and there's when you're you're performing live in the ring, there's not a take two. Right. You'd be like, oh, that didn't go well.

We have to do that again. Wait, that's a good point. You have to do it. Everything is just on the fly. So how did you start training for that? And what age? Well, I started training when I was around 18. My grandfather had one of the most famous and most iconic training facilities ever called

the dungeon. Okay. So, yeah, and his house is in Calgary. It's called the Heart House. Yeah. And it's now a historical site in Calgary. Whoa. But in the Heart House, there was a room called the dungeon.

And that's where so many of the most famous WWB superstars of all time came from. So I started training in there. And it's just a little room with like it's a small, dark room with one window in it. And that's why they call it the dungeon. Right next to it is a crematorium. No way. Because my grandfather's house used to be a hospital in the First World War. What?

So that how the crematorium was, you know, it was part of the hospital. So it's a very unique ambiance in the dungeon. But I started training in the dungeon with my. family and my husband actually was my first coach. So he's been wrestling since he was 15 years old, had his first professional match. He was, you know, one of the people that helped me learn how to wrestle, which is kind of what brought us together. Yeah. That's at that age. Is that when you met him? Because he was your first coach. I met TJ when I was 10. Yeah. He was 12. But I didn't wrestle until I was 18. Aw, that's so cute. But TJ was 15 when he had his first match. So he's a couple

years older than me. So as I, during my teens, I couldn't stand, T.J. He was just, he got on my nerves. Yeah. He was just like, ugh. You know, he just was like, he just was a little pipsqueak. A little pipsqueak. And then, and then I started to, you know, kind of gain interest in wanting to learn how to wrestle. And I didn't realize how good he was. Right. So because he had this little crush on me, he wanted to help me in the ring. Yeah. And then I was like, holy shit. But TJ's like literally like wrestling with TJ was like driving in a Ferrari. And you don't realize what it's like to drive in a Ferrari until you have to drive in a Buick. Right.

Nothing wrong with a Buick. Nope. But I hear what you're saying. Very different. I had to wrestle with other people. And I was like, oh my gosh. TJ is like so good. Yeah.

So smooth can do anything. Yeah. So it's basically like it feels like it looks like choreography. Yeah. Like what you guys do is it's so like I don't even know how to explain. I was really close in the last show, and I guess I'm used to watching it from, you know, home on the TV. And so to be right there, I was like, wow, it's such a performance. It's a live performance.

It's like there's only one take and it's got to be, you know, it's like a careful, it's a dance. It's a carefully calculated dance. But at the same time, it's an emotional roller coaster. So you have to be able to be to do what we do and to be good at what we do. You have to be able to speak. You have to have a presence. You have to have, you know, you have to have an. athletic ability and you have to be different. You have to stand out. Why would anyone want to pay

to see you? That's the kind of mindset that you have to have. And you have to have, I think the most important thing you have to be a WWB superstar above anything is an emotional connection with the audience. Yeah. Have to have that. Otherwise, you're dead in the water. That's so true. Winner of 16 Emmys and three Golden Globes, Amazon Original, The Marvelous Miss Maisel returns. It's one of my theater shows for an eagerly awaited new season on December 6th, hailed as one of the best shows on the small screen of any genre, by deadline, this season makes Midge and Susie on a comedy tour through the U.S. with stops in Miami, Las Vegas, and L.A., filled with original music, sweeping dance numbers, award-winning costumes, and some of the

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I probably do about 250 live shows a year. Holy shit. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's a lot. And you get stage right every time. In a good way? In a good way, in a way that I kind of crave. Right.

Because you talk to like Ray Mysterio or Rick Flair or, gosh, you talk to the most iconic WWE superstars. And they always say, if Steve Austin says, Because the second that you're not nervous, you need to hang it up. Yeah. Because for me, I use the nerves to channel my performance in my performance. Like there's something about adrenaline that keeps you really safe. When you don't have that adrenaline, everything hurts.

I agree. So you need to find a way to channel it in the right way. But I've actually had the most matches of any woman in WWE history. Wow. So knock on wood, I've been able to keep take a licking and keep on ticking. That's amazing. Have you had any serious injuries? I had a torn ACL in 2005 and a broken ankle in 2015.

Is that pretty good for your career, right? For 17 years of wrestling, it's pretty good. That's wild. Yeah. But it's also, you know, it's a testament to the fact that I had an amazing training. And I'm also a thick, sturdy girl. Like, I feel like genetically I was born to be a wrestler. That's so great.

That's amazing. That's, there's certain things like my girlfriend, one of my best friends, Jess. She is so tall and blonde and beautiful And her husband's a hockey player And I was like, you guys are just going to breed athletes That's, I'm going to breed In teeny little ballerinas, I think But like I feel like there's just people out there

You were born to do this, you really were And it's really helped me embrace my body So much over the years Because, you know, there have been different phases And culture where skinny is in Or, you know, you want to look teeny weenie And like, for me, I was thinking about it the other day And I was just looking in my closet for clothes

I'm like, I'm so proud of my body. I love that. Like, I'm so, I need this body to be strong. Like, I'm so lucky that I had this strong body. And I used to beat myself up like, oh, my legs are too big. And why am I 160 pounds or why am I, you know, sometimes more, sometimes less? But, like, I'll meet, you know, people that are my sisters, like, both of them are, like, 135. I'm like 30 pounds more than they are.

And I would always compare myself to them. Like, why can't I be, like, skinny like them? And now I realize, like, what makes me so successful today is being strong. Exactly. I need a body like Serena Williams. I can't do what I do and, you know, take the kind of hits and falls that I take with a weak body. I can't do it. Right.

I wouldn't have a career. I like that outlook because I think, I mean, I don't know one woman that doesn't go through life comparing her body to someone else's or just human. You know, it is human. And I think men do it too, actually. But I think it's, I think that's a really good. Do you think that came with age or do you think that came with like working on yourself? because for me, I used to do the same thing. I used to actually be the opposite way

where I had so many insecurities about how tiny I was because people would always make fun of me for being so skinny. And through the years, it was just like, I think I grew up dancing so often that I could not put weight on. Now it's a little different,

but I still get, I think, online bullied on, you know, on Instagram and people telling me to eat a cheeseburger and that whole thing where I used to be really insecure about how tiny I was. So, I mean, there's so many different insecurities and different women, but how do you think you got through that or got to where you are? I think it's just human for men and women to be insecure at some point in their life over some

little, like it's just part of life. But for me, what I've really learned, especially with this women's evolution in WWE, like I look at Rhonda Rousey and I look at her body and I'm like, Rhonda's got these strong muscular arms and these strong legs and like she's, she just has this beautiful body. I love it. I look at Beth Phoenix. She's a WWE Hallfamer and she's, um, You know, she's got a similar physique to me.

And I just, like, I look at her arms and I'm like, I want to have arms like that. She can bench press 220 pounds. Oh, my gosh. That's so impressive. And I'm like, you know, like people look at us. I'll meet people from every walk of life. And they're always like, what you guys do in the ring? It's extraordinary.

But the truth is we can't do without the bodies that we have. That's true. You look at Simone Biles. You know, she's just, you know, this beautiful body. It's muscular. It's strong. But she means that body to do the gymnastics that she does. Yeah.

So. Yeah, you guys are athletes. For us to do the specialized kind of line of work that we do and for me to be able to go to Saudi Arabia and to have the first ever women's match in Saudi Arabia, I mean, to be able to help transcend a culture. I can't be weak. No. I have to be strong in order for me to be there for my family, you know, last year my dad passed away. I can't be weak. I have to be strong.

Right. I am so lucky that I can go into the ring and do the things I do, but also go home and be strong and capable for everything I need to do at home, for that home, work, life balance. need to be strong. And I can't do that with, I can't do that with an eating disorder. And certainly I'm not saying I haven't suffered from something like that in the past because, again, in our industry entertainment, so many women do. But I just need to be strong. I need to eat good food. I need to be able to take care of my body, take tons of supplements and also be able to go and work out and know that I can deliver in the ring. Because that's your lifestyle. That's your career. That's your passion. That's everything that you're doing. You need that to survive in your

world. And I can't do that being a fraction of who I am. Right. And my genetically, like, my dad was a shot putter. He was a football player. He was also a pro wrestler in WWE. In this past year, he was inducted into WWB's Hall of Fame. Oh, wow. And my dad was a really big guy. He was a power lifter. And so he was just stocky, like really muscular. And because of his genetics, like, I got those genetics, but those genetics have served me so well in the ring. Yeah, of course. So like, you've got so many different titles and things that you've accomplished and you've had a great career. I've been so lucky. I've been so fortunate and so blessed to be able to do the things I do, but I'm just so much kinder to myself. And I think that just comes from age. It comes from confidence.

It comes from just being nice to me. Right. And I think it also comes from beating yourself up or, you know, going through all the mental struggles of not liking or appreciating your body to get to where you are now. Like, I think we all do that. If you can, if you can go through that journey of, okay, yeah, that's where I was and that's what I thought I needed to be and I was comparing and I was doing that whole thing. But that's also why you've learned from that because that's not a good place to be. You didn't enjoy being there. You wanted to work on yourself to get out of that. And so it takes, you know, some people think you don't have to go through those hard times to be confident. And that's the complete opposite. I could not agree more with you on that. Yeah. Like you have to go through some serious. excuse my language, you have to go through some serious shit to find out what you were made of and who you are and how tough you are and how resilient you are. And I look back when I was 18, 19, right around when I first started wrestling, I was, I was, I had like a, I had a lot of body image issues and I did have an eating disorder. And I was 45 pounds lighter than I am now. And I just would struggle with, I would count calories. I was only allowed to eat.

In my mind, I was only allowed to eat a certain amount of calories a day. and I look back on those photos, A, I don't recognize who I was, and B, I was not happy. Right. And I thought, well, geez, you were 115 pounds and you still weren't happy. You weren't happy because you didn't feel confident. You weren't happy with who you were inside because you were, that wasn't who you were. Right. And so it actually took wrestling to get me out of that funk where I was like, I can't wrestle

and I can't land on the mat if I'm this skinny. It's hurting me. So gradually I started to build me. muscle because I really wanted to wrestle. So wrestling was kind of what helped me get out of like just wanting to be skinny. Yeah. I think also in the time that we're in, I think we're celebrating bodies more and I think strong is is in now, you know, and everybody, and I think that has so much to do with how you feel because like you said, when you're going through that and you're at this weight that you think is what you're supposed to be and you're still not happy,

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how often do you work out it depends on how much time I have right there are because it's probably a workout in itself to be out there well it's in the ring is a different kind of workout because there's no better training for wrestling than actually wrestling right but you can't you can't run 10 miles or do enough weightlifting to prepare you for a match yeah like the only the best kind of training you can do for wrestling is wrestling but there are things that I do just for my everyday life because like you said it's important to have working out helps It releases endorphins. It gets the blood flow going. And it actually reduces your risk of diseases like Alzheimer's. So for me, working out is critical for just my mental health. Yeah. When I work out, even if it's for 30 minutes, I feel so much better mentally. I agree.

I'm the same way. And I think so many people as well, they know it's so easy. Like we, so many people talk about, well, if you, you know, go through this or you realize how strong you are, you go to the gym for 30 minutes. Like, it all sounds so simple. but it's really not until you push yourself to do it and get into some sort of routine that you'll feel better. And it takes 28 days to form a habit. And it's funny because I worked out, I've been working out since I was 14.

I love to work out. And after my dad passed away, I don't know what happened. Something inside of me just was like, I'm so like, I can't bring myself to go to the gym. I just can't do it. I would walk into a gym. And I was also going through, you know, a lot of trauma. You know, losing a parent is, you know, it's something you don't ever really get over. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I cannot imagine. And, but, you know, everybody goes through hard times, but I literally could not bring myself into a gym. I was like, I would walk into a gym and be like, I don't know what to do. I honestly don't know what to do. And I'm like this, I have a very, you know, advanced powerlifting background. And, you know, I, like I said, I've been working out since I was a teenager. I wouldn't know what to do when I walked into the gym. So my mom and I actually joined a workout class together.

Yeah. Because she needed to get her mind off. of losing her husband of 40 years. And I just needed some direction. I just needed somebody to tell me what to do. It was like the first time of my life that I felt like I didn't, I didn't know what to. I was like paralyzed inside myself. Right.

So I just grabbed my mom and I was like, let's do these classes. And we do these orange theory classes together. They're under an hour. And it's just like, it's like an intense workout, you know, but it's only 55 minutes, but you can modify it to whatever you want to be. So it's just like cardio and weights. Yeah. I can't believe, like, my mom lost 25 pounds.

Really? I didn't lose any weight, but I became in, like, I just got out of my rut. Yeah. And now my mom and I have this, like, incredible workout connection that whenever I'm home, we always work out together. It's our thing. That's great. And it got her out of her rut, and it was able to help her cope with losing her husband. And it shows you that, like, when you get those endorphins going, it's like the best medicine you can have.

Right. I mean, to say, to lose a husband of 40 years and a father and to say that working out can help you, you know, deal with something like that. It helped us a lot. That's incredible. And sometimes you need to grab a partner for motivation. Yeah. Like for me, I was like, I'm, you know, I'm so independent. I needed help. Yeah. I needed to have a partner. I needed to be accountable for my mom. And she was accountable. Like, we would just, you know, and now when I'm on the road, I find orange theories. I'm like, I'm going to go do. And I've gotten some wrestlers into it too. I'm like, I love my power lifting, but I just need someone to tell me what to do. I hear that. Somebody just tell me what to do. Tell me what's bar to lift. Right. Well, I feel like you know what you're doing. Like if you were

to go do what you needed to do to train, but sometimes it's, you know, you're going to switch it up just to Yeah, and sometimes you just like, I feel like having a partner or having somebody just the kind of keep you accountable is good. That's, I can't go to the gym by myself. I, you would laugh at me. I don't even know what I'm doing in there. But classes for me, I'm the same way. I need someone to tell me what to do because then, one, I'll do it.

And two, I don't know what I'm doing. So it's nice to have a teacher. And I haven't weighed myself in like 15 years. Only WWE, like, every time we do medicals, they will weigh me. Right. I'm like, I don't, I don't, I try to go off of how I feel, how I look, how I'm looking in pictures, how my clothes fit. Yeah. Because a lot of women can get so caught up in the scale.

The numbers. It's like our weights can fluctuate up, you know, five or, you know, up five, down five daily. Mine does daily. I actually got rid of my scale because I found myself to be, I'm a smaller person and I've never really cared about what number was on the scale, but some company sent me one. So I started going on it all the time. And then I started noticing that it did. it fluctuate and it concerned me and then I was like wait this has probably been my whole life and here I am just looking at a number every day like I started becoming part of my morning routine

I'd get on the scale and look at and then I started it became like something I obviously wasn't happy with not not the number but with that I was like making that part of my routine to look at what number was on the scale and then measuring yourself worth or measuring your happiness that day off of that number it would be the first thing I did and it would affect my day and I was like this is so weird. I've never been into the scale, so I got rid of it. Good. Yeah, because it really doesn't matter. And you could, like, muscle, muscle weighs more than fat. So if you are toned and working out and lifting muscle, you could weigh more and then be hard on yourself for that number. Exactly. Yeah. Especially when you're a lady

wrestler. Yeah. We'll be right back with more Off the Vine Grape Therapy. Now back to Off the Vine Grape Therapy. I'm one of my girlfriends. friends on the way here, she was so jealous that I was talking to you today because she just really looks up to you and thinks you're just awesome. So, Abby, shout out to Abby, because she really, she, she, what did she say to me? I'm actually going to read it because it was so cute. She said, I lived in Orlando near the WWE training facility and I went to school with John Loronitis. Loridus. Okay. I think she spelled it funky here with his kid and John basically ran all of WWE.

I graduated and I legit almost had a career as a diva WWE wrestler. It was a dream of mine. Oh, my gosh. What a small world. Yeah. And then she asked who I was podcasting with and I said you and then she said, oh my God, she is my favorite. I looked up to her.

Her family is WWE royalty. She's my queen. I love her. So cute. Well, tell her. I said hello. I will for sure. She's awesome.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Tell me about your cat. I have five cats. You have five cats? But I have one cat that's kind of Insta-Famous. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It started off as like a couple years ago, it started off as like a joke.

I was like, I'm going to make, I mean, I think I had a glass of wine. And I was like, I'm going to start an Instagram account for the cat. And it just turned, it just kind of took a life of its own on. Now he's like 160,000 followers. That's amazing. And it's so funny because like sometimes the things that I can't post, I'll post it vicariously through the cat. I like, you know, if I need to be snarky about something, I'll be like two pauses and talking to anyone today. He hates the world.

Is Tupaz's name? He's named after Tupac. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's incredible. So it's actually Brie Bella named him. Really? She was like this, you know, we were just talking about names. And she's like, Tupas would be really cute. I love that.

Tupas. Gangster, too. He's like a Persian. He's one of those Persians that you see like in the memes where he like knocks the glass off the counter. Yeah. He's so full of attitude. That's, um, what kind of cat is it? Persian.

That's, okay. Okay. So my boyfriend's brother has one and he's so sneaky. Like he'll try and scare you or he'll try and like sneak up on you or do something like you said like knock something off the counter. Like is that their attitude? Do they all have those? They're pretty moody. Yeah. Yeah. They're my cats are really good because we we just love them so much and they're so spoiled. But they have a lot of attitude. Like don't, I can't leave any closets open because if they see that we're going on the road. one of them will pee in my luggage. No. I can't tell you many pieces of luggage. Like, I'm like, TJ, I tell my husband, don't leave the, don't leave the closets open. The cats will ruin something because they get very terrible.

They have to let, it's their way of letting you know they're not okay with you leaving. Right. They're pissed off. Yeah. And they're going to piss on your. And once you, like, I remember buying this piece of Louis Vuitton. Oh, no. It was like a garment bag that holds, like, clothes.

And I mean, I don't even need it, but I was like, I really like it's really cute. I left it on the counter for five minutes. My cat, Charlotte, just peed on it. And I tried so hard to get the pee out of it. And you couldn't? And I couldn't. And I just adapted to the pee smell in it because I didn't get rid of it. I was going to say, so you threw it out.

No, you adapted to the pee smell. I like that commitment to the bag. I couldn't. I can't really use it, but I have it in case I need. Wait, that's so funny. I do confessions on my Off the Vine podcast all the time. And that is a good. confession right there. You keep your Louis Vuitton bag with cat pee on it. It's drenched in cat pee,

but I can't part with it because it was expensive. And you can't even use it now. No. I have it in a drawer and I open the drawer and I'm like, oh, this smells like my grandfather's house. Oh, no. That's so funny. Oh, my gosh. Your cat has. So Tupaz has 160,000 followers. That's crazy. And your other cats don't have Instagram. They're more humble. Tupaz is like a gangster. Is he or she? He needs to be seen. Yeah.

He's more out there. He's more, he's more like the J-Lo of cats. Oh my gosh. And the other cats are very like just, they don't want to be bothered. What's his name on Instagram? His name is Tupaz. At Tupaz. Two is in the number.

Okay. P-A-W-Z. But we have McAbelly, boo, Charlotte, and Louie. Okay. So. But everyone should go follow two paws. Go follow two paws. He would absolutely love that if he did.

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Yep. And nothing gets you pumped up like a banana. Bananas will keep me so I don't cramp or anything like that and they're just instant energy. Really? I don't like to be too full. Yeah. When I, if I have a meal before I wrestle, I Oh, yeah, I can imagine. It weighs, it's like working out on a full stomach. Yeah. You don't feel good. Yeah.

I always have a banana. And sometimes I'll have a little pre-workout, you know, just like a little something to kind of give me some energy or like a shot of espresso or a little bit of caffeine or something just to get me on my toes. But I always, like songs, do you listen to music or do you just get in a zone? I warm up. I always, always, always warm up. I do stretches. I do lunges. I have bands that I warm up with just to get my blood flowing.

Yeah. I do like to be able to communicate to, too, with the person I'm willing. working with and make sure we're really on the same page and like tell them I care about them tell them I love them like because when you work with someone you're giving your body to them and vice versa you have to have that trust so I always make sure that I connect with the person I go out there with no matter what even if I don't care for them yeah what's I have I have a question about that like what's the biggest misunderstanding in your world of what people think it is as to what like what's something that people just don't get people it's a weird dynamic even to say this but

people will often say wrestling's fake and yes it's entertainment but there's just nothing fake about it right it's really hard yeah it's hard to step into the ring it's hard to hit the ropes it's hard it's just hard like ronda rousey had done she'd been training in judo since she was eight years old and she's like this is the hardest thing i've ever done in my life it really hurts it hurts a lot yeah people i feel like kind of downplay what it could be like where they couldn't get in that and do that if they tried it you have to be able to To think on the fly, adjust to every single element that you're, it's not about being strong. It's about adjusting and adapting.

Right. Well, and being strong. And being strong, but you have to adapt to every little situation. I mean, I've had wardrobe malfunctions. I've had hair extensions fall out. I've lost my two front teeth in a match. No. Oh, yeah.

And I literally, when I saw them come out on the mat, I gave them to a security guard to hold on to. And this is in Las Vegas. I took a picture for Instagram just to make sure everybody knew that it happened. That's incredible. I was like, I lost my front teeth, but you know what? we're going to continue. Nicky Bella tackled me. Oh. And for whatever reason, the velocity of us like tackling each other. Yeah. Just two like lions tackled each other. Like my teeth went flying. Oh my gosh. So yeah. That's crazy. But I continued the match. Yeah. Because again,

the show must go on. You just have to be able to adapt. Wow. So and then afterwards I took, I cried and then I laughed and then I went to the emergency dentist. Yeah. And then I got my teeth back. Oh my gosh. And when you do that like, when she did that, does she feel so bad after? Like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. Well, we were just, like, in a state of shock that it happened because they were, like, they were veneers. Yeah, yeah.

So afterwards, I had these, like, little fangs, like, where they had the... Oh, right, where they screw on. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I don't even know how the hell that happened. Yeah. But, you know, it's just wrestling. It's like, and that's why we had that strong personal connection with each other

because anything and everything can happen. I mean, I got two years ago at WrestleMania, I got tossled over the top rope. Yeah. my crotch of my pants split. Well, now this outfit that I was wearing, I just wanted to be Beyonce at WrestleMania. And I had a body suit on that had like this sheer like lace on the side. So I couldn't wear underwear with it. Because if I wore underwear, you'd be able to see the underwear line with the lace like on the side.

So I was like what, you know, surely enough, nothing's going to happen. I'm in a battle royal. There's 25 other girls. Everything will be fine. As I'm going over the top rope, the crotch splits in half. And I have no underwear on. And you can't just run off. I didn't know that there was a whole.

I didn't even know they split. So I'm on the ground. Legs. And I never like land anything with my legs sprawled open. Ever. Ever, ever. But for whatever silly reason, I landed like I was like a flying, you know, eagle. A flying spread eagle.

A flying spread eagle. I was like. And then some fan that was sitting like in the front row got like a, like a. a shot of it from a very long distance. They were the only person that was able to. No way. So all you could see was this little bit of like flesh tone. That was it.

Yeah. And I was like, so I get backstage in Becky Lynch. She says to me, she's like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, why wouldn't I be? Like I was just, I didn't know at this point anything and happened. She goes, like, and then I looked on Twitter and I was trending. I was like, Becky goes, did you see that your crotch was, you had a hole in your crotch? And I was like, no.

So then I literally, in that moment, in the locker room, looked down at my crotch. And I was like, oh, my God, the crotch of these pants split open. And she's like, well, why aren't you wearing? I was like, I don't know why I wasn't wearing underwear because I didn't want anyone to see the underwear on the side. Yeah, you're not thinking, oh, because you didn't think you're going to go overboard and have your crotch split open. I didn't think that the. So then I, of course, I tell my husband, he's like, why don't you wear underwear in your matches? I'm like, because, TJ, I'm wearing these, you know, $3,000 cat suits that can't, you can't have.

have underwear with them. Yeah. He's like, oh, I don't get you girls. You guys are all so complicated. Fact. That's a fact. So anyway, when you have, you know, when you have moments like that happened, you just have to like surrender to the universe. Like, nothing else can happen to me. That was like that. That's true. Oh, my gosh. Because, yeah, the last thing you're going to do is be like, bye and run off like, you know, because then you just have to own it. Yeah. It's literally like, like when I was a kid, my mom, my mom and my sisters, they were going to kill me for telling you this. My mom and my sisters. They were going to kill me for telling you this. My mom and my sisters and I, we would, growing up, we would laugh so hard that we would all four of us pee our pants laughing.

And we've been there. We couldn't do anything about it. We would just get the giggles and we'd get really giddy. And we would be like in a T.J. Max with my mom and the change room. We were like seven, eight, nine. And we would just start laughing. And then all of a sudden we were like, what are we going to do? We just peed our pants.

My mom was like, guys, get it together. Then she would pee her pants laughing. Oh, my gosh. So it's like in the fam. It's those moments where you're like, like. you just got a roll with it you've peed your pants laughing now we have to go back to school

yeah and you just have to own it I love that that's hilarious but those are such great memories because I'm like they've kind of thought us to like you know what laugh things off laugh too hard you'll be your pants it's with your sisters

with your mom don't share it to anybody else although I did tell my sister's husband like hey my feet her pants like a hundred times is this still something you guys do I'm not okay now my sisters are going to I cannot confirm or deny, but I can't confirm or deny. Okay.

We'll leave it at that. I love that. That's fun, though. I love laughing fits. It's like my favorite thing in the world to just go on a laughing fit and not be able to stop. It's the worst when it happens at a funeral. Oh. Like, why am I doing this?

Why is this happening? I was watching Grey's Anatomy last night and she, Merritt, do you watch Gray's or have you ever watched it? No. Okay. I just got started on it and I'm hooked. and they were worried that this girl was going to die and she was like crying and then she burst out laughing

and she was like, I don't know why I do this she goes, I laugh at funerals too and I was like, wait, is that a thing people react in that way sometimes you can't help it. It's just like a nerve, a nervous thing. Like whenever WWB has to like have these like serious meetings with us

like we backstage like hey guys we want to talk to you guys about you know something like sometimes we want to talk about this week I don't know everybody needs to get health care like the company's pretty proactive with making sure we have all of our ducks in a row. Of course.

Financial management and everybody's got health insurance. It's good because you don't realize that so many people in the real world don't have a will. They don't have health care. They don't have a financial planner. They don't plan for, you know, WWE is working with the talent to help. Once you're done with WWE, what are you going to transition to next? That's cool. But they'll be having these really serious talks and I'll be like in there trying to like bite my cheeks.

Like, Natty, it's not that funny. It's an important business meeting here. Like, stop it. Then my question is, how are there not, like, bloopers in the ring of, like, do you ever burst out laughing or you have? I burst out laughing with Charlotte Flare up on my shoulders for a power bomb. Stop. I was literally getting ready to slam. I've got, like, it's a weird position that she's got to be in for me to powerbomber.

But in a nutshell, it's like her crotch and her legs are, like, draped on my shoulders. And so I have her upright. It's like a, you know, I've got her upright at my shoulders and I slam her to the ground. Yeah. Again, we both got the giggles and we just couldn't stop laughing. I'm like, Ashley, we got to get it together. We're in front of 20,000 people here. We're both laughing.

Did other people see this? I'm hoping not. That's, I always wondered that about the matches and because I'm like, how do you, I would start laughing in some of these things. Or like, but you're just, you're in such a zone and you're, you know, in the moment, I'm sure. But I would feel like there's got to be some instances. where people just have a moment and laugh. You know, sometimes it's just like you break down that, what do they say, break down that fourth wall.

Yeah, people probably like to see that. It's every now and then it happens. Even in promos, you kind of see, you know, everybody can, you know, let down that. It happens. But I think it's part of being human. Yeah. I hear you. Okay.

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Just recently I had like four days off and I was like I felt guilty. I was like I feel so like what do I like? Like today I feel so recharged because I had that time off. And I actually think I really, really think that it's important as much as we're on the go and as much as we're creating and inventing and moving and shaking and shaking. and trying to be the best that we can be, I really think as important as that is, it's just as important to unplug, decompress, calm down, settle down, be still,

and just be lazy. Like, don't have a game plan. And I'm learning how to do that. And I actually, it's recharged my brain so much. Do you meditate at all? You know what? I want to learn how to meditate. I've been hearing a lot about that from different people.

Like Maria Shriver does her move for minds with Alzheimer's awareness. and she swears by meditation. Yeah. And Nikki Bella has, you know, gotten really into meditation. But I definitely want to learn how to do that and be more in the present. Yeah. I think I mean, I barely know you, but I just feel like you would like it from what you're saying.

It's such a good way for, I love meditating. It's just it is a way to recharge. Even if it's five minutes for me, I feel recharged to do that. I don't know. It's so important to unplug, especially with like, you know, so much is going on in this day. age and everybody I feel like, including myself, we can be like hyper-sensitive about everything. Yeah. You know, and I was saying this to one of my girlfriends at work.

She's just retired from the ring, Nikki Bella. Yeah. And she was, we were talking about it and we were just saying that like there's so many times that women especially just feel like they're not enough. Yeah. I'm not pretty enough. I'm not skinny enough. I'm not rich enough.

I'm not, you know, well-known enough. I'm not successful enough. And there's so many women out there that just feel like they're not enough enough. They're not good enough moms. They're not good enough wives. They're not like they're always striving. for more. And that's where we see a lot of that on social media where people are trying to create these, you know, perfect pictures of their lives. And then we all of a sudden go,

I want to be like, J-Lo, look at her. She's 50 and she looks like, you know, she's 20. But the thing is is that like it makes us, sometimes certain images can make us feel inadequate rather than inspired. Yeah, that's so true. And so, you know, like, we have to understand. J-Lo's got a different team. She's maybe that photo is Photoshopped. Who knows? She's got Scott Barnes doing her makeup. So Exactly. I mean, we're not going to bring Scott Barnes into this, but, you know, it's important for us to realize that we are enough. And so, you know, it's like I grew up with two sisters and we're all three very different. Everybody brings something different to the table.

But like at the end of the day, we are enough. Yeah. I know. And I just keep, I always wonder how you can help people get there to feel that way, especially with social media and seeing. I mean, it's not like even before. social media. It was magazines doing it and we were all into the magazines. It's, it's just, I don't know how to, even for myself, I don't know how to ever feel like enough. And I do believe that like what you said, recharging sometimes can help you just, you know, stay off social media for a day

or just unplug and relax and watch TV or go for a walk or do whatever. Even just having that for one day can put you back into a good state of mind. But I just wonder if there's anything that will ever make us realize that we are enough. Well, even just having a conversation like we are right now about it. Like for me, I think it's important to be able to acknowledge and talk openly about and share about like our imperfections. Like even just sharing with you, you know, I had that wardrobe malfunction or I get nervous or I'll start laughing or I peep my pants or like everybody, we're all human. I have yet to meet one person who hasn't been through something. I have yet to meet one person who hasn't had a mental health struggle.

I've yet to meet anyone that hasn't like I said gone through something so to be able to talk about and say I made that mistake and sometimes it's okay to admit we were wrong go you know what good catch I'm gonna I'm gonna like you know those are things too like again so many of us want to be perfect it's like nobody's perfect yeah and I think there's so much like you know people are doing the Instagram thing and whatever and I think that's why I really enjoy podcasting too is because it is just a conversation for you know 45 minutes it's just two people talking and people People don't do that enough. No.

Yeah. Like even just out in the like not even podcast, you're just out in the real world. Who just really sits down and talks for 45 minutes about important things and get somewhere from it? Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because I, we work with, I'm sure you're familiar with him, but the owner of WWE, his name is Vince McMahon.

Yeah, of course. And it's funny because I look to him for a lot of inspiration and work ethic and also Vince is never, I feel like he's never afraid to really admit that he's wrong about something. Like there was, I had a match a few months ago and I made a mistake in the match. I missed time something. It wasn't a big deal, but we were talking about it after. And I said to Vince, it was so hard for me to say it. But I said to him, I go, you know what?

I'm so sorry. I made a mistake with that. I think that I can definitely learn from this experience. And he said back to me, he goes, Natty, I make mistakes every day. He's like, we're all in this together. We're all just learning and growing together. And I was like, he's a billionaire. Right.

And he's running this company. He's running multiple companies. He's managing, you know, thousands of people's jobs. And he's, like, open to saying, like, we all make mistakes. It's part of being human. And it's funny because, like, it was so hard for me as a talent to say, like, I made a mistake. And then I was like, it was very liberating after to go, I'm okay. Like, he makes mistakes too.

Right. Totally. It connected us in a way that we were both able to be humble. And all it took was just admitting to making a mistake and somebody understanding that. Yeah. And him, like, instead of being afraid that I was going to get yelled at, him going, Natty, I make mistakes all the time. It's okay. Yeah.

But how are we going to grow? from it. So that's the kind of question that we need to ask ourselves is like there's no mistake if we grow from it, even with relationships. I agree. If a relationship doesn't work out, what did you learn from it? And nobody can say they didn't learn from a failed relationship. Yeah. Every single relationship you have, even if it's not a romantic one, you learn from it and become better from it. Yeah. Every single one. You evolve. Including your relationship with yourself. Yeah. You know, you go through different phases of how you feel with yourself. and where you're at in life.

And I feel like there's never been a time where somebody can be like, I didn't learn something from that. Yeah. And that's how you grow and evolve as a person. I think it's my biggest fear is not evolving. I want to continue to evolve and grow and not change. I don't need to change.

I like who I am. Right. But I always want to, even if it's at a very slow pace, I always want to keep putting one step forward. And you have to surround yourself with people who also have that same drive to evolve and grow as a person. And there's so many relationships out there where one person is growing and evolving and learning and becoming better.

And one person who, like, I'm not every relationship, but some who are just stuck. And, like, you don't want to surround yourself with people who don't have that same motivation as you. Yeah. And it's okay. It's funny because, like, I was talking to my sister the other day and she was just kind of feeling like she was in a rut. And I said to where I was like, first of all, it's okay to not be okay. We're all entitled to have bad days. And secondly, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Everybody's striving for this certain, again, level of perfection. sometimes it's not broken don't fix it right do you really need a better car do you really need a bigger house right really need 19 cats yes maybe that we'll talk about that's true it's true I feel like I mean we all do I do it myself too or I'm I'm really happy where I'm at in life but I still find myself doing that and thinking what what can I do more of and where am I going yeah you know because we again not to bash the rock because we all we all love the rock yeah you see the rock and you're like, he looks like he's working out five times a day. He's working on his 18th movie.

He looks like he can have a day off. He's not sleeping. It's three in the morning and he's in the gym. Like he's eating 18 pieces of pizza and he's still shredded. Why can't I be like? And then you realize like, no, he's human too and he's on a platform and it's probably not exactly how his day is going. Exactly.

I know. I always say people think they know you through social media or through online or however they think they know you. But really, they're seeing one glimpse of your life a day. Like one thing that you. doing. It's Instagram is 10 seconds each. So if you have, you know, six Instagram stories, that's a minute of their day. Yeah. You know, and they think, okay, I know. It's, yeah, I get it's, it's cool to be able to connect with people, but it's also important to understand that

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I think just from like the outside I used to watch it all the time and then being involved that one time I really saw something special in the people there, the organization, how everybody treats each other. It was just really, it was really cool for me to see. and I love that you guys do giving back. We, like this Friday, we're actually going to be doing a whole show for the troops. So we do like performances for the soldiers. So cool.

We, you know, Stephanie McMahon actually started a foundation called Conner's Cure, which helps support kids with cancer. And we've raised over $3 million. And we actually met families that they are, their kids are doing so much better today because of that foundation. That's amazing. Even when we go in and visit the children that are, you know, some of them have terminal cancer. Some of them are going through, you know, they have leukemia. They're going through

chemotherapy. They're struggling. They're fighting for their lives. When we go in and visit them and just show them a little bit of love and attention and just get them kind of excited, the doctors have told us, hey, like, when you guys leave, their vitals go up. And to be able to give back in that way, it's like, it's hard to explain. And it's just, it's more gratifying than winning a championship. It's more exciting than it's just, it's an exciting feeling to know that. that you're influencing someone that doesn't know what tomorrow was going to bring. You see a, you know, I met this little boy and I'll wrap it up. This is a great story, though.

So actually in Nashville, Todd Crissly brought back a family backstage. We were in a live event. It was right in Nashville. And he brought this little boy named Chase backstage with his family. Chase was like nine years old. He had a weird tumor in his body, but it was affecting his coordination. It was in his spine. So his family was

He was fighting for his life And they didn't know what was going to happen They didn't know if he was going to make it They were just doing everything they could Depleting every resource they had But they wanted to bring him to a WWE event Just to get his mind off things He wasn't even able to walk at this point

Or really smile So they brought him backstage We all made a huge fuss over him And then I just like connected with the family And shortly thereafter They said that their son had this wish But they couldn't get through to make a wish because make a wish is also there's a long list of people.

Of course. So I was like, well, let's make your wish happen. You know, and his wish was to go to the performance center because he wanted to be a WWE superstar. So he wanted to go see where the future superstars were made at the WWI Performance Center in Orlando. So we got them all down to Orlando. And then he went on this whole tour.

He met Finn Baller and he met all the girls. And he like got to go in the ring and all the talent surrounded him in his wheelchair. They have to lift his wheelchair in the ring because he couldn't stand. And everybody surrounded him in the ring and they, like, they gave Chase this magical day that, like, because I work here, I could help give him that. Yeah. Like, because I have this job in WWE. So I was able to take this little boy that was fighting for his life, couldn't walk because of a genetic situation. And at the end of the visit at the performance center, he just started crying.

Oh, my gosh. And I was like, I asked his mom because at first I didn't understand. I was like, did he not like the visit? Like, was it not fun? And his mom was like, he just, that was, he knew that that was it. Yeah. He knew that now that the wish was fulfilled, it was his time to go. Oh, my God.

A week later, he had passed away. And it was like, but I said to my mom, I said, some people go their entire lives without living their dreams. Chase got to touch his dream. Yeah. Some people live to be 90 years old, never got to touch their dream. Chase got to touch his dream. And I still, to this day, keep in touch with the family. that Chase had two little brothers that he left behind.

They come to our shows. We make a big fuss. That's incredible. It doesn't take a lot out of my day to be able to, and I wouldn't even be able to do that. I wouldn't even be able to impact those people if I didn't work in WWE. Right. So that, to me, is like the icing on the cake of all of it to do that. And to me, that's like more important than a title or anything.

It's just knowing that he got that dream. Yeah. It was just so meaningful. That's incredible. Yeah. That's really, really incredible. I love that. It didn't take much for me to do that, but it changed, like, it just changed everything for him and his family.

Well, I was going to say, especially for his family to see him, you know, he got to, like you said, touch his dream and do that because of you guys. And then, you know, unfortunately pass away, but to know, his family knew that he had had the, like, happiest moment of his life. And he, Chase was intuitive enough and smart enough to know at even his young age of, I think he had just turned 10 years old. even at his young age, he was hanging on for something because everybody needs hope. Everybody needs something to wake up for, to get excited about, to look forward to. And it was also a way of his whole family coming together. His mom, his dad, his two little brothers. It was something for them to do together.

It was like the most noble way that he could be, bring them all together and say goodbye, but keep it really positive. He at 10 years old knew that it was like he felt like, I'm, I don't want to overstep my boundaries and saying this, but it was almost like he looked at his parents and was like, I'm ready now. I don't want to hurt anymore, but now that I did this, I'm okay now. We're all together and I can go. And he, you know, he passed away a week later. Wow. But I feel like he was just, that was like he knew, like, I don't want to suffer anymore. And it was such a hard thing to watch him go through that because he just couldn't walk anymore.

He couldn't smile. He couldn't take a shower. He couldn't. He was just, he was dying. Right, right. Just so we do so much with that. Oh, that just gives me like head to toe goosebumps and just, that's, it's so. important yeah and it's so important to for people that have and can give back like that on such

a huge platform to do so and it brings you it gives you a different perspective when we're when we're being whining like I woke up today like annoyed about something stupid yeah but then I'm now talking to you about that I'm going who cares like yeah what does it matter that you're you know doing this or like it's you know think about like you know just it just gives you a different perspective it really does keeps you in check and even I mean even if you don't have a platform, you should do something like that because, again, perspective and helping and doing whatever you can. Thank you so much for sharing that and for being here.

I'm so happy that we were able to talk. Yeah, it was really nice and I really enjoyed it. And I just think you're just a good, you're a good person and with a lot of talent. And I'm just really glad to have had you here. And just tell people when they can watch the show where they can find like the divish. Why have my blanket on what it's called? Total divas. I was going to say real divas.

Total divas. And where they can find that, what days and just everywhere where they can find you? Well, we have a two-part season finale starting Tuesday night tomorrow on E. And we're on 10-9 Central. So you can catch it 10-9 Central on E. And this week and next week is our finale. So it's really cool because we're kind of, we're really, we're covering our women's first ever main event. WrestleMania.

So it's the first time women have ever made evented the show. Cool. There's a lot of tension. There's a lot of, you know, because as much as things are exciting in WWE, it also creates a lot of chaos. Of course.

And everybody's emotions are high and women can be more dramatic. And I mean, somehow I'm always involved in it. Yeah. If I'm not peeing my pants on a CJ Max, I'm usually duking it out with someone. It's a good balance. It's a great. That's awesome.

And what's your Instagram? Nat by nature. NAT by nature. And how can people find where you're coming to the show just follow the WW page, I'm sure? Yeah. So I'm on Monday Night Raw. So that's the brand that I'm on. I'm a raw talent. So on Monday nights from 8 to 11 p.m. on the USA Network. And then Tuesdays we're on Total Divas on E. That's awesome. And then every other day of the week we're doing something awesome. But it's exciting. We just do so much. I was literally in the spam. of four weeks. I was in like five different continents. Holy. So, yeah, it was very cool. You stay busy. Oh my gosh. I rack up those frequent wire miles. I hear you on that. Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you for cutting out some time for me and to be on the podcast. People are really going to enjoy this conversation. Oh, it is my pleasure. And thank you so much for having me. Of course. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending.

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