Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Rachel Recchia on Eating, Praying, and Loving

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

Vinos, it’s finally time for our long-awaited interview with former Bachelorette Rachel Recchia and we can promise, this won’t disappoint you or your earholes. Rachel sits down with Kaitlyn and cutie co-host Lo VonRumpf to debrief after the whirlwind of her season and press tour. It definitely hasn’t been an easy journey, but Rachel is hopeful as she talks about what’s next in both her dating life and her career. And, she’s openly answering all of KB’s hard hitting questions. Would she want to see two Bachelors? Is there a “Raven” (get it… like Rachel & Aven)? What went down behind the scenes with Tino? What happened in the fantasy suites? Plus, who else from the franchise has sparked her interest? They wrap up with a hilarious dating confession and a very revealing game of hypotheticals, that may result in a love match from both Rachel and Lo. Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: Progressive: Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 27 million drivers who trust Progressive.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to grape therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Today's session is with the incredible Rachel, the former bachelorette. We talk all about where she's at with Avin, what went down with Tino, what she really thinks. if she would do anything different. And she surprises me with a lot of her answers. I'm so happy that you're finally here to podcast. And I actually have a question that I wonder if it's even in my prep doc.

I can't remember. But I have a question. Yes. Ooh, that sound, best sound in the world. Isn't it? My dad's obsessed with Caitlin's wine brand, too. I'm obsessed with your dad. He sent me some bottles. Big Tony drink, literally a full one to himself.

Big Tony. Yeah. Yeah, we were with it. We hung out with him. Lo was there hanging out. Oh, my gosh. Were you? Yes.

I heard there was a big party in the lobby. Full circle moment. Huge party. I know. I'm so jealous. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, we hung out with your best friends. Yes.

Your parents. Everyone was there. We went back to the room. Eric was there. Eric was kind of in and out. Oh, yeah. I think he was scared of us. I felt like he should be.

Yeah. He should be. Well, I kind of was like not being the warmest person that night either because I was freaking tired and I was so mad about so many things. Yeah, you guys were going through it. Well, I mean, you guys were going through it. Okay. My first question is I, so obviously I had two bachelors on my season for one night, not the whole season. But I was so new to TV and this whole whirlwind that doing press and PR was somebody at the beginning was so nice because you got to have a friend there with you. Everyone wanted Britt and I to be. hit it against each other, but we weren't. We were enjoying the process together. Did you ever feel like you wanted to just have your own space and own voice to just be like, I don't want to share it with somebody. Even though you love Gabby and it, or did you really enjoy it? No, genuinely, like, I think this is the first podcast I've done alone. And it feels weird. Like it feels weird. You're like,

I'm missing someone. Yeah. Like, honestly, going through it, I just like can't imagine doing it without her. Yeah. And if I didn't have her, I would actually have nothing at this point. So it's, like I'm just so thankful for her and I don't know I feel like it'd be boring going through it alone okay so well here's my thing I thought it was terrible at first not well you I kind of messaged you a few times but I was like this is bullshit yeah I thought it was I hated it until I started looking at it well I did the beginning was rough yeah it was rough just like a circus I wanted I wanted you both to have your own spotlight and season and opportunity and not have guys flip-flop and not like the guys were comparing and who do I like better and then this and

I hated it until and you probably did too at the beginning not because Gabby was there but because it was just made it so much more hectic and chaotic and emotional but as I got through it and started watching it through a different lens because I was like I need to stop I was so angry and then I realized I was being kind of a bitch online because I read some of my tweets and I was like get over it Caitlin it was a lot of my own insecurities being projected onto you guys because I had two bachelors and we were so compared and I realized this is a little more deep than you know for me personally and then I was like and I didn't you know have to the whole season so then I started shifting gears into like looking at it as

oh my gosh you both provided each other such incredible support and I would have loved to have somebody as a friend go through that with me because I did feel so alone during my whole season And everybody, you know, there's producers trying to do their jobs. You're not talking to your friends. You're not talking to your family. You're isolated. You have men there that you're like, I don't even know you yet. And I don't know once the show's over, who really are you?

And you start to feel really alone. And I'm sure, as you can imagine, as hard as that season was for you, going through that alone probably would have been really hard. So I switched my tune. I totally get it. I think the beginning was rough, even just for me and Gabby, like all around. And so I can see that's why people started off looking like through the lens that they were. Yeah. I think like the big thing, like in the beginning when we were dating the same people, like that was the tough part for people to see because it really was just like you,

you're not really building relationships at that point. Like for two, three weeks, we're literally just kind of in this limbo where I don't know who you like. And like, it's just this weird situation. But I mean, of course, like me and Gabby once we like went on our own journeys, it was like a lot easier. I think for people to watch it and see how it actually can work. But I definitely get the limbo in the beginning. Yeah. I mean, it's hard even at the beginning when you're by yourself to build connections with somebody because there's freaking 30 dudes. And you're like, what's that person's name again? And like, where are we? And what did you tell me about your family before? Like,

it's just so it's hard to build connections. But yeah, once you guys separated, I was like, I'm going to switch my two. Do you take little notes? Because like people are opening up. Did you do that on your notes yeah right okay i would think like they producers take notes for you too though oh okay but i tell you like okay just you know this guy is the one who doesn't have a good relationship and opened up with you know about his mom or whatever yeah okay at the beginning because once you start being really once you start being really invested in the guys and their feelings you remember but at the beginning you're like i need help i have a pretty good memory like i really i could remember like little things i don't know what it was but i can remember stuff but then it

Well, it did go so quick because he went from like 30 and then all of a sudden me and Gabby had 10. Yeah. Like within two weeks. So it wasn't like we had 30 and then 20. Like I only really had. I think we started out with 10 or something on the boat. So that's a lot of people to remember, especially when you're tired and drinking and not sleeping and like all of those things. Would you want to see two bachelors?

I would. Yeah. I think it would be super interesting. But I think me and Gabby, we always say this. They have to have like a certain type of relationship. Because if, like, me and Gabby always put each other first, we always consulted with each other. If these guys just kind of did it as like a free for all, I mean, it could be interesting to watch, but I think it would kind of blow up in a way. So I don't know.

That's true. Men just don't have the same, like, intuition, same, like, soft side for, like, what a woman's feelings are. Like, I feel like they would just be like, oh, it's the bigger dick. Like, that's how they're missing out. I just think it would be. Just a cock fest. Yeah. I don't know.

Unless you got like a really nice, sensitive guy. That's what I mean. You know? Who from your guys' season would you want to be two bachelors? Okay. I don't know, but I think this is like my idea. I would love to see like a straight bachelor. Yeah.

And then my best friend, Nate. Oh, yeah, bachelor. Like, I think it would be so fun to have the two. I don't know. From the last season, I think there's so many people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Gay Nate. Yes. Gay Nate. I love it. I think that's such a good. good idea. I always tell Nate, I'm like, we should pitch it, having the two bachelors. And then you could, like, have the two different, like, stories. But from this season, I really think Tyler would have been such a good bachelor, but he goes to her. Well, maybe. He might be in the beach. But

I think Tyler would have been great. Jordan V. He was the race car driver that I set home. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's amazing. He's honestly one of the sweetest people ever. Gosh, you got so much heat for sending him home. You're like, I'm literally trying to find my husband. Like, now you're suing me for not feeling something like and I know what do you want me to like break his heart later when he's more invested that's a thing I just like kind of knew yeah and I was like what I'm gonna like bring him along for weeks like I know people wanted to see more of him which I wish I could have yeah that to them but I just I don't want to drag anyone along like as soon as I knew I was just like all right like I feel like that was kind of the problem huh yeah about anger with me

well people get angry at me if I eat a banana so it's the wrong way yeah yeah Yeah. You can't eat a banana the wrong way. So people are going to get angry at you for everything you do for the rest of your Instagram career. So buckle up, honey. Can't we? It's so fun. No, it really is. It really is though. Okay. I feel like we didn't get to know Zach good enough for us to be rooting for him as The Bachelor. I mean, I always said this on Instagram. I'd be like, of course, I'm rooting for someone to find happiness and love. It's not that he's not deserving. I just fed him a little boring, but I don't know him. And I feel like maybe we didn't get to see enough of who Zach really is. Do you think that was a good choice for The Bachelor? I mean, I do. I really like Zach. Obviously, we had like our own issues towards the end. But I think. think like I hate the when people say you know he's boring because it's like you don't really know you know what I mean and I was talking to Ben Higgins about this too and he was like that's what people used to say about me and Ben Higgins is so far from that and I think people could see that so I think he's going to surprise a lot of people he's really really goofy yeah he like throws himself into everything we had our first date and it was like this fashion show and Karama was

there and he was just like so all in he's so willing to have fun and i think he he really wants to settle down so yeah oh that's nice yeah so i think he's going to be a good bachelor he has some spice to him from the outside it's a vanilla sunday no sprinkles right but there is some spice there is some sprinkled and we're gonna see it yeah that's and that's what i mean when i said i i don't feel like we really got to know enough of who he really is to like be like yes that for bachelor you know people like rally for like someone for bachelor it's like people were rallying for even for bachelor what's happening is there raven i don't know what i don't know what i don't know what i don't know what i think that's that's the big question um yeah that's the big question i want to know

obviously for those listening i'm sure you know lo you will remember once i tell you but rachel and tino were on stage talking about the break but Avin came out and was like, well, I'd like to have another chance. And then you guys walked off together. Oh, what are they going to film like another show about the two of you and we can't talk about it? I'll spin off. No. A spin off would be great.

I don't know. I think with Avin, I just care about him so much that I genuinely just want him to be happy. Yeah. In whatever capacity that is with me or like whatever it is, I just really want to see him just thriving. So what's to come? I don't know. I mean, I'm definitely, definitely. open to seeing what happens but it's two people we've been through so much so I am such a

broken record when I talk about Bachelor because I say the same shit over and over but that is a rocky foundation to start on that is no matter if you have a healthy relationship like who met someone night one and it was pretty kind of like smooth sailing for them from the get go Caitlin absolutely not. Michelle. Michelle was a little, she had a couple of bumps, but. Yeah, she had pretty good, like, smooth sailing with Nate, like through it. They were always, he was always very confident. And like, look at that. That's a rocky, rocky foundation. Even if you feel like you're strong in your connection through the whole show. So when you, you know, go through something like you and Avon did, and then it ends in a way that you didn't see that coming, then you go through all the bullshit you went through with Tino and then to try and. build something back with Avon, no matter, you know, you guys are obviously rooting for each other's happiness. That's a tough place to start dating again. Oh my God. I hate that you can't tell me things. I just wish I had something to tell you. Oh, I just, I don't know. Are you guys like hanging out? Are you dating? Am I not allowed to know? I saw him in the lobby. Yeah, he's actually downstairs.

We're going out later. You're right. They wouldn't let you be in public if there's something you can't tell us. No, I feel like we could do whatever we want now. I mean, we're kind of like off the show. It just, I just got back to L.A. From everything that happened with the show, New York, I was in Vegas. So I think we're both kind of just going to see where it goes. If it goes, okay. Well, I'm leaving the door open. I've already came up with their couple name and I called them Raven and I am very...

I like that. That's so Raymond. So at first, I was like, only Gabby gets to do dancing with the stars. You guys have been together through everything. Why aren't you on dancing with the stars? And then, I mean, I would have loved to watch you. But then I'm like, oh, would that be them competing again and blah, blah, blah. But I heard you say on chicks in the office that you actually really push for Gabby to be on Dancing with the Stars.

And I asked a few people behind the scenes. I was like, why wouldn't you do that? They're like, no, Rachel's really pushing for Gabby to be on it. You're such a supportive friend. Did you want to do it at all? I mean, I think maybe in the future I would definitely be open to it. I wouldn't want to compete against her, A, because she's a fucking amazing dancer. She's so good.

Like, I could never be her. But I just wouldn't want that, like, competitiveness. But, like, I knew that this was Gabby's dream. There was a new season coming up. And we were at CMA Fest and Rob Mills was there. And I was like, you have to put Gabby on. And it's been so amazing to watch her. I'm going to see her tonight.

Oh, I was going to go tonight, but I don't finish podcasting in time. No, it's the Disney night, too. She's like, her dance is going to be so good. I'm so excited. What character is she? She's doing Guardians of the Galaxy. So she's going to be Gomorra, like, green. Oh, that's cool.

I know, I'm super excited to see it. It's so fun to be in the audience for dancing with the stars. It's so much fun. I've only been the first name, but it was awesome. I'm just really, what? Are you remember when I was Cuella DeVille? Was that the Disney one you did? It was the Villains Night and I was freaking Cuella DeVille and I look like it's a good one though.

No, I look like an idiot. They put her in like a short gray wig. We need to look up the. Oh my God, I'm going to show you a picture right now because I thought it was going to be like, I was going to be like a sexy little Cruella, and I just looked like an old, like, idiot. I look like a Karen. Like I had an asymmetrical, like, haircut. Doesn't she has the half black, half white?

That's like her singer hair. I think it was the cut of it, maybe. Maybe they could have modernized it a bit. But the outfit was cool. It's kind of an iconic villain. I mean, they really dropped a ball on that one of my favorites. Yeah. I know this pose.

What am I even doing? I hate myself. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Screensaver for spooky season. It's not bad, though. And I don't think the wig's gray. It's the wig that's really, it's like kind of too far out.

It needed to be more like, yeah, yeah. It's giving party city. Yes. Yes, it's giving party city. Absolutely. Which is fine. We love a party city costume. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. I look like my mom there. Yeah. What is that little thing on the top? I don't know. A bird's nest. What is? that i don't even know it was so weird anyways i'm scarred um but disney night will be really fun

okay i love that you i'm a competitive little narcissist sometimes and i don't think if i had to go through two bachelorette the whole season and then they got dancing with stars i would be like i'm fucking out i'm done but i love how supportive you are and it's that says a lot about me not you no no i'm so excited this is so perfect for her like i think she needed this like coming off the and, like, throw herself into something. And I know my time will come. Well, I'm like, what do you need? Like, if it's meant for you, it will come.

Yeah, exactly. What does, you guys haven't even had a sip of your rosé yet. Let's do it. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers to what's next for you. Cheers. And thanks are having me.

Oh, my gosh. You are welcome to come on anytime you want. Tell me what does Rachel need because, you know, this is a nice distraction for Gabby. And it's something fun. And the Dancing with the Star's family is really as family. Like, they treat you like gold. over there. And it's nice to do that after the show when you're like, I've been through the ringer. So what, like, what would be something in your life that you're like, oh, you know what,

I did that for, you know, what I went through. I'm glad I'm doing this now. Yeah, I don't know. I'm really open to kind of just seeing what happens in general. I do want to go back eventually, like soon to work. I'm obviously a pilot. I really love it. Yeah. So I still have a while to to go teaching wise. And I don't really love teaching. Yeah. So that's kind of where I'm at now. I want to go back to fly.

I would love to do something like traveling. Yeah. I think I would love to do something like that where I go to different places because that is kind of why I started flying because I just want to travel. Really? I would love to do something. A little free bird. Yeah.

In some sort of capacity like that. So we'll see. I'm just kind of just open to whatever's happening right now. You should just be one of those like travel Instagramers who you like fly yourself to destinations. That would be fine. That is cool. You should have your like a little series about flying wherever you want and like a little

Eat, Pray, Love. I watched it too when I was on the plane yesterday. I watched it too when I was on the plane. Yes, it's so good. It's so good. It's so great soundtrack too. Yes. You know what?

She actually really helped me yesterday because when they're eating all that food and just so happy and then the girl is about to eat the pizza and she's like, I just have this muffin top and she was like, do you ever get it? in bed with a guy and he looks at your muffin top and leaves. No, they're just love a naked woman and who you're happy and living your best life. And I was like, hell yeah. Eat that pizza. But yeah, I could see you doing like a little eat, pray love and finding. No, I'm Rudy for you and Avin. But if you were, if I were like Italian man and like have this romance. Something. I need some, I need something right now. I'll tell you that. But just trying to like really be positive.

Like, because I do feel like it's such an incredible opportunity that I was able to be the Bachelorette and I had such like a great experience on The Bachelor, like, not any, but like in general. Yeah. And so I'm just trying to. You don't always hear that. I mean, I do feel really lucky. I know it's not the case for everyone. I have friends who like went through it and it was just not great for them. So that's nice.

I do feel lucky. Yeah. Especially this soon after being through what you've been through to feel lucky is a really good perspective. because, you know, you had to deal with, I'll say it. I'll say it again, baby back bitch, you know, and then you deal with a lot of backlash. Like, people are just nasty and I'm like blown away by it. Yeah. And I shouldn't be.

I should be like, of course people are like dicks like this, but it's just wild. It was insane. I was not expecting that. That definitely was tough. And it was just like you really couldn't do anything. Like they would find a way to blame me for everything. And it wasn't like this, like, minority what sort of, like, it was like the majority of people would blame me for things that were so out of my control. And I was just like, what do you want me to do? Like, what would you do in this situation? It's so different. There's two bacheloretts. It's not like I'm the only one here. And I think I understand in some ways where they were coming from like, oh, why are you crying about this guy? You have all these guys. But it's like, it's not that this guy just left my season. He left to go date my best friend down the hall. And then I have to see that roast here. But he's like, it's different than like, like, what a normal season would be.

And I think people didn't really give us grace with that. People did not give you guys grace at all. Yeah. And it wasn't just me. Gabby got it too in her own right, which is sad. It feels weird to me because I would have thought people were upset that there's two bachelorets. So I would have thought that they would be like, oh, I'm going to be really supportive of

the two of them online because we don't, but it's like you could not please anyone with what you're just trying to do the best given the situation. And I don't know. that up, I get fired up for people who get trolled the way that you guys do. Do you turn it off, like for your own mental health? Yeah. Because you're very positive. You're radiating light right now.

Oh gosh. Beautiful pink energy right now. I don't see aura colors. But if I did, pink. Pink. Love it. Yeah. No, I.

Do you like take days off or just not read certain shit and just have a off mentality to all of that? It's hard. I don't ever go looking for things like, because I remember when I was on the Bachelor, like you do kind of like look and you see things. Because it's all new. It's new. People are talking about me.

Yeah. And this time I just did not look for anything, but the negative, like, it still came to me. It finds you. So there would be times where I would just like my entire Instagram, I would just be scared to like make a post because I'm like as soon as I post this. Like it's going to be bad. You open yourself up. I was just like I would go out there and like delete like delete comments. And this time I was just like I'm just leaving them.

Like I can't get to it fast enough. So that's tough when you're afraid to be on your own platform. And I don't really read the messages as much. I try not to. But it's so hard people to understand. Like, when you have everything everyone thinks about you right in front of you, how do you not look? Oh, I know.

Of course you want to look. It'd be like having an envelope of the day you die and not opening it, right, Lo? I'm opening it. I'm not. I'm not. Okay, same. No, I'm not. If someone's going to tell you this is how much time you have left on this planet,

I need to find out. No, because I'd have panic attacks. I wouldn't enjoy my life. Oh, see, I feel like I would enjoy it more. I would not. Yeah, I'm in that house. Like, oh, shit, I only have these many days. Like, I better go do everything I want.

I should probably start living like that. I would sit in a corner and cry and be scared and have panic attacks. Well, after a couple of Rasmapams and a glass of wine, let's get you, let's get you to Bali, huh? Let's get you enjoying the last few days, baby. Bolly, that's where Julia Roberts was from April. We want you to know how important it is to us to make sure you are hearing about brands and products that matter to you. Now, the best way for us to do that, is to get your opinion.

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I will watch it multiple times. I'd watch the same scene over and over. So I shot for pain in my own way, not in my comments, but like, yeah, I find that very interesting when people say they don't watch back. Like, how? Did you watch back and say, wow, I really wish they would have shown this? And is there a moment that you're like, this happened and I wish it would have been shown? I don't know if there's necessarily a moment, but what I think with this season, they missed

so much with the guys. Like, I feel like the story consistently went back to me. me and Gabby, me and Gabby, which I understand it is our season, but people know our stories. Like, they know the things we're struggling with. And then I feel like they missed out a lot on the guys. And I would have liked to see them showcase a little bit more. And our relationships showcase a little bit more. I feel like there were so many things like even Avin.

Like, people were like, he came out of nowhere. I'm like, no, he did it. It just really did show. Right, he did on the TV. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was one of the biggest challenges of having two bachelorets is that you didn't get to see enough of what you usually see with one because there's.

They're going back and forth on the storyline of two bachelorets instead of focusing on, like, seeing the relationships and, like, getting to know the guys better. Yeah. Like, there were so many things during dates that just weren't shown that were completely cut because they just don't have the time for it. And it's understandable. Yeah. But it really was like Rachel and Gabby and then like a side of love. Yeah. Kind of in a way is how it felt watching it back.

It was like me crying constantly. And then you'd see like, me kiss one person. They're like, okay. Like more happened than just that one time. And everyone goes crying again. And you're like, no, that's just what they're showing a lot of. But yes, we all cry a lot during that. Yeah, that's the hard part.

I mean, that show is literally known for the tears. That's what everybody. I mean, got to be delivered on that. Like, let me tell you. Hey, so does it. I mean, look at, I don't think Clayton was a big crier before his season. Like, that show brings out the tears. Like, you wouldn't believe.

It really does. And I don't, I know it's like been, there's been time that's past. Not only did you film a long, not a long time ago, but like, however long ago. Then you've been through everything that you've been through. Then you had to relive. live it, watch the season again. Then you had to go through the breakup again on TV. And that finale was just nutty bananas with 15 shades of Tino that we saw in that breakup and then dealing with him on stage. And I again felt like people were blaming you, even though he was the one that went ahead

and cheated in this engagement. So not to bring him up again, but this is a podcast about your season. So I was in the, I was there obviously at the finale. My favorite part was when we all took a shot of tequila when it was a commercial break. I know. I wish that. would have aired that. I know. It was so good. But I was just shocked to see how many people were kind of like supporting Tino. Were you a surprise as I was? I don't. It's difficult because I think not that I want people to pick sides or be like you need to all hate on him and not on me. Like there's always going to be sides. But the fact that he did have to sit up there when Avin came out, which I mean, I've said this multiple times, wasn't, Avin was upset about that. Like we talked after he did not want

Avin was supposed to come on my podcast the next day. And he was distraught because he was like, I was put in a position that I didn't want to be in. I was making people uncomfortable. Like, even though Tino, we can all say, f***ed up, he didn't deserve to be kicked while he was down. And you agree with that. 100%. A thousand percent. And I think it's difficult because people watch a breakup.

And then all of a sudden they watched Tino get basically put in a really tough situation. So I think in that right, like you really have to. expect people to be mad at me and yeah and that's hard but i think the hardest comments are like people that would like consistently and to this day still like comment on my instagram and say things and they're like well you weren't listening to him and you weren't i'm like i feel like i was so calm for a woman who just got cheated on like i feel like it is so typical when we get cheated on they they freak not only were you calm but you could tell you were protecting him in some way even on the finale.

Now, I know you're not going to error that stuff out on my podcast, but there is something that you're protecting. Yeah. And so not only were you calm after he had cheated on you and like trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and letting him speak, but he couldn't figure out his words. You were also in some way, and I can tell that you were protecting something. What were you protecting? Oh, you can't say it.

I'm dying to know now. I know. And it's not like some big, big secret. I think a lot of people, they're like, well, what is she like on camera because of this and because of that? And it's like there are some things, I think, in relationships that you just do not say. Mm-hmm. I agree. You just don't say them out loud. And I think when a show edits something out, especially a show where they display everything.

Yeah. They display your worst moments. If they cut something out, there's a reason for it. Like, you just. And the fact that he brought it up again on stage, I. I was just in shock, honestly. But yeah, I don't know. It's just tough across the board the whole situation because I don't want people to be like,

oh, he did this horrible thing. It's not even that. Like, there are just things that you just, I feel like, don't discuss in public. And I was like, okay, we can talk about it. Like, do you want to? I'll say it. Yeah. And of course he didn't want to.

Well, I mean, I'm glad. I'm like, but he was playing chicken with me. Yeah, he was. National, like, live. Mm-hmm. And that's where I have a hard time because I'm like, you loved me and you're going to play chicken, with me right now during like after the final rose it was just insane yeah it was a little icky yeah and have you talked to him since after the final rose no like obviously there's podcasts out there where

people love clickbait and i mean one of the bachelor podcast is literally called clickbait but whatever not that one there's other podcasts out there that people just you know they're in it for the clickbait they want people to download they don't care about other people's feelings i just feel like I would be not scared because you know the truth, but just anxious that he is going to go on a podcast and try and, like, again, keep this narrative about how he, like, is in the right to cheat. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're taking a lot of high roads.

Oh, my God. I feel like I, I mean, I've been on so many podcasts. I went on a full press run after. And I feel like I could have said so much. But I do have so much respect for, like, what our relationship was. Yeah. Like, regardless of what he did, it's. over, but I do have respect for it because that is someone at one point I did think I was going

to spend the rest of my life way. He doesn't share that perspective? I mean, I don't know. You think he's going to do you dirty? Well, he did it during the show. Like, yeah, I was shocked. Like when I, when, because obviously this is a show. Like when something like that happens, like we do have to film it.

It's just like, there's no getting around that. Did I want to do that? No. Like, I would have never wanted to do that. But it's just the reality of what we signed up for. And I thought when he came in that day that we were just. going to like talk about what happened he was going to give me the exact details and then we were just going to i don't know what i thought i was kind of seeing red at that point right but to go in and be like

well this is why i'm like yeah i just like if someone could do that knowing that they're doing it because it's going to air on tv like it wasn't for me that was because he knows it's going to air yeah that was a hard i mean the fact that he had said like it's something along the lines that he didn't want people to see that or like he was scared or he shouldn't have told you oh yeah that's That's the first thing he said to me. He said, because she was upset that he cheated, he was like, I just never should have told you. Some things are better left unsaid. Like, what?

What the hell is that? Yeah. You're like, well, if you didn't, one of the girls was going to reach out to me and say it as you. But that's the thing he knew that. And that's, I think people are like, well, he was, you know, he told you about it. He was trying to, I'm like, no, he knew someone would come forward and they would have. Yes, that's why he was in panic mode. Did that girl ever reach out to you?

No. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he was in panic. mode. When you watch the season back, you obviously get to see so many things that we didn't get to see in the moment. Did you see any red flags in Tino that brought you clarity when this happened after the season? Or did you see any red flags in general like through the season? It's so tough because it's like I don't want to speak badly, but there were so many things that I

saw. And I'm like, why did not one person come to me? Not one person thought to maybe bring something to me and I get like kind of the stigma around like being a snitch or snitching on people but I think there is a time when it gets to that point like you're seeing the other men start pulling themselves out yeah because of it like bring that to me and no one did and and I can't blame them I totally get why they wouldn't want to why things may have seen I dealt with something similar in my season like I get it it's just difficult and then to see some the things that he would say like in his interviews and like kind of treating it like it was a game or even just watching back me

like saying how I felt to him and having his reaction be so just like nothing behind the eyes. It was just like in the moment you don't see it because you are so like you're in love and you're like and then you watch back and you're like oh my like it's like wow like some of the things I saw it was really hard to watch

it was horrible. Did it in any way give you closure? It's so weird because I feel like I don't need it. Oh I love that even more. But it's like in some situations I do like I feel like with Zach and even like I did have to talk to them and get that closure with Tina like the second I found out what he did. I'm like I didn't need closure. I just wanted to know like I needed to know what happened. I didn't know what my plan was moving forward. All I could think about was like I need answers. But after that like talk, I didn't need anything else moving forward because if someone could treat me like that not only while they did that to me but then sitting down and telling me that I and the reason they did that like I just didn't need. like historically on the show we see tattletails sorry my brain went here no yeah the from like what you said that guys didn't come forward tattletails usually never go far but you do wish snitches get stitches i said it first it's just kidding well me gabby and teddy on our season we all had to do it like and i'm not like that i wasn't involved in any drama there's a point where you're like

i agree there's no other option really so yeah it's disappointing i wish they would have gotten to that point and been like, hey, this is what's being said, because I feel like there are so many things that were said that just weren't even on camera, like, and that I've heard after. So it's just, it's difficult, but. I mean, I saw also a bunch of the guys went out one night with a Tino sign. So it's like not, it wasn't just you feel in the certain way. Yeah. Apparently, like they said that was like bought, like someone bought that sign.

Oh. But I mean, I don't know. Someone bought that sign? I don't know how anyone would have already known what was. happening. It's already an Etsy shop. Someone bought the bottle. I don't know how that works because I've never like bought a sign that said someone.

I don't know. I don't know. But I know that they did feel bad about it because we obviously don't believe in it. It's so true. It's so true. That's fair enough. Have you talked to any of the other guys from your season since? Like are you friends with any of them?

I've talked briefly to Tyler. Yeah. We're friends. Yeah. And he's he's awesome. But other than that, like not really just kind of like a little bit. on social media, but I think, I don't know, it's just kind of like a weird space right now. I know.

No one knows what's happening. It's like, we're all just kind of like, what's going on? But yeah. Well, so many of your guys are on Paradise. I know. It's crazy watching them and seeing like Rachel slash Gabby's season. Yeah. That's weird.

Like, I can't even watch it. Isn't it weird to see the first time? It was so weird. I remember when it was like, I didn't even think about Paradise. I was trying to process my own season. And then Paradise Cousin, and I'm like, those are all. like the guys that I had connections with right now like with girls that I was on the bachelor with and I'm like this is so literally it's like girls from my season dating guys

that like and I'm like it's just it's so weird yeah it's weird to watch like an open relationship on bachelor's they kind of do well I mean well no like someone who's like well I want to find my my person but also we're going to be in an open relationship oh no no no because they want the format to be you have the initial butterflies, you go through hardships, you meet their family, you have sex, you get engaged. That is the format of the show. America.

Yeah. I get it. That is. I mean, yeah. I was just throwing a little something, something in there, curveball. I did want to. Polyamorous relationship. Why not?

I mean, that could be a whole other show, though. Yeah. I did want to ask that, though, because people, again, gave you a hard time for just wanting to get engaged so bad on the show. But that's genuinely what you go on the show for. Yeah. It really is the point. And I think when you go through going on The Bachelor, you realize how much it can work and how you can find your person. So true. So that when you go on as the lead, you have that in your head. You know you pick out a ring at the end. You know you're picking someone that you want to be with forever. And then you get shit on for wanting an engagement. Yeah. No, it's crazy. Like you're so right. Like the Bachelor, it really opens your eyes. Because when you go on, you have like hope and you're like, oh, maybe this could be something. But when you actually fall in love and you actually are like, 100% convinced, like, I'm getting engaged. Like, no one could have told me I wasn't getting engaged.

Yeah. It was insane. So then when me and Gabby got our own season, I'm like, well, now I'm definitely going to find my person. Like, I know, I just have so much faith in the process and the way it works because it has already worked for me. And it's just crazy because I feel like me and Gabby are the first like women leads ever to be criticized for wanting what the show's purpose is.

And it was both of us across the board. They're like, they just want the ring. Yeah. And I want to say that the reason that criticism like came along is because there were so many men that were at the end just like confused and not wanting engagement and going back and forth. So where all the other seasons they have, you know, a final however many people that all want to get engaged where they don't have to deal with that where we had like Johnny not ready, Jason not ready, even not ready. Like it's like so you see these guys like slowly getting like kind of confused. And I think then people were like, well, they just don't care. they just want an engagement.

But we're like, we just want commitment. Yeah. I just want to be done dating. And the fact that I find myself now in the same position, I'm like, I don't want to do this. I wanted to find my person. I want to get married. I want to start a family.

Like, that's where I'm at in my life. I don't want to go back to the streets. And now I'm forced to. I'm like, literally, it's like, if we just wanted a boyfriend, we could have done that anywhere. We could have, like, just went to paradise. I'm like, oh, I'm just going to find a boyfriend. Like, not saying that.

that paradise isn't serious or anything. But we came on as leads because we were committed to finding someone to spend the rest of our life with. And could you imagine if you as The Bachelorette were like, actually, I'm getting cold feet at the end. I don't know. Maybe we'll just date. Then people would shit on you even more.

It would have worked out. If a lead on the show, they spend like how many weeks, you're up all the time. You're putting in so much work to find this relationship. And then to get to the end and just make, oh, well, you know, we're just going to date. I mean, it's just. I can't. It's really hard to see you for wanting an engagement. It's really tough.

But now it's like, well, I wanted the engagement. Now I'm literally nothing. But I can't wait till you really do get engaged. I know. And you go, ah, this is why I went through all this bullshit. Right. Thank God it didn't like go any other way, but this way. I know.

Are you taking a little break right now from dating? No, she's with Avin. Besides that. Yeah, besides that. I mean, I'm not actively trying to go out and date at all. Take a beat. But I do feel like I'm not like in a position where I'm like so broken that I need like months to heal. And I think that's like the consensus I've seen online.

I was like she needs to heal and she like I'm okay. I've been doing the work. I've been going and I've been broken up with him since before you guys knew. Exactly. So I do feel like I am in the spot where like I do want that but I'm not like dating out. I'm not like on hinge or like I don't want to start doing that yet because it's like so sad to me that like that's where I'm at honestly. But don't be sad. Feel empowered. No, I am empowered.

But it's kind of like going through two full seasons. And then to end up right back where you started, that's like where it's frustrating. If you knew you were going to find your person, would you do it again? For sure. Huh. Absolutely. But I mean, it's like the thought of doing it again in any capacity is like so scary. If I was single and they said they'd pay me a million dollars to do it, I don't know if I could do it again.

I know. So good for you. I know. that's it's so true it really is i really i mean i believed in the process it's not that i don't but it is interesting how uh you know the show can work and how you spend little time with these people and it's produced imbal but it still can work it does isn't it crazy it's like it's actually real like the situations sometimes are like fabricated or really crazy situations but the feelings and everything is real see that blows my mind because i've i've never looked at it like that oh it's real

This is all stage. No. I wish. Yeah. Because that it would be, yeah. But yeah. And they're these supercharged connections because you're put in these really vulnerable situations.

And so I get it. Yeah. Once the dust settles, you find out if you really like the person or they're, or they cheat on you. Or they cheat on you. They're POSs. Sure. Yeah.

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I wanted to touch on Zach for a quick second more because I feel like, again, he's not getting the benefit of the doubt. Even from me, I've been hard on him being the bachelor. But we didn't see or hear a lot of behind the scenes of what went down with you and Zach in the fantasy suites. Is there anything you can share that will provide more context to what happened that made you go your separate ways? Like, was in the fantasy suite where you just kind of like friend zone, like, oh, this just feels like friend vibes.

Again, this is totally private if you don't want to share. That's up to you. I mean, it's fine. It's just what I hate about the fantasy suites is like now there's this like stigma. I want to say stigma. Like people are like, well, what she like off camera. Yeah. Oh.

What she like, because he was like, you know, she was different off camera. And I think what people don't understand is like when, I mean, we had such an incredible relationship. Like we really did have one of the strongest connections the entire time. and I think we both got into the fantasy suite, the doors were closed, and we kind of realized that, like, passion, like that connection, like, it wasn't really there like we thought it was. Yeah. So, of course it feels different because you have this, like, you know, amazing day and then you have another one and you have this great connection. And then when you get behind closed doors, like, you are different when you're like, oh my gosh,

we thought we had, you know, this really, like, passionate, like. Yeah. And then you're like, well, maybe we don't. Like, and I think it's not just me. It was probably both sides. Like we both realized we weren't each other's person. And I think that's really just what it was was kind of just realizing that we weren't. People always want it to be more than what it is.

You know, it was just a simple thing of like, we actually weren't what we thought we were. Yeah, we didn't align on some things. We're seeing on Bachelor in Paradise with Teddy and Andrew. Yes. They wanted, they hyped it up in their own minds. They wanted it to be this thing. America was already rooting for them as a couple before they hit the beaches. Then they get there and they just realize like, shit, we could fake this and we could get through it because America wants us.

But like, no, it's, we just actually aren't what we thought we could be. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just like my relationships with Tina and Avin at that point were just like leaps and bounds. Like just emotionally. And so it was like I did want to give him like the benefit of the doubt. We had such an incredible connection. We deserve off camera time.

We deserve to talk. But it just wasn't where we both wanted it to be. And I think, I mean, like he said at AFR, like, I think we were both just really upset. Like, he was upset that he thought it was one way and then it just turned out to not be that way, just with both of us. So I think it was just like raw emotion. It was probably like hearing Zach also say, oh, she wasn't what I thought. But you didn't get to say that. So people just said, well, they didn't even see my interview.

Right. Right. So they didn't hear me talk one time. Oh, that's too bad. So we only heard one side of the story. And that's okay. Yeah. Because I didn't, I don't need to always tell my side.

And that's like what is really hard about being in this position. And you know, like, you don't always get to tell your side. And the world's never going to know the exact truth with everything. And that's really hard to accept. It really is, especially for someone like myself. I'm like, no, you must hear my side because then you'll be on my side. And you want to be like that. You want to be like, no, you don't know what happened.

Like this is a real story. But you can't sometimes you just have to be like, you know, it didn't work out. Zach's the bachelor now. he's going to find his person and it's all going to be sometimes it's okay not being understood it's hard though it's hard to not tell your side all the time or not even have that opportunity and like why was it that they just never got to see what i had to say yeah but that's that i know it's tough save it for your book yeah my one one day in a tell all that's i'll reveal everything so many bachelors people have done tell us and they always become new york's best time sellers because

people want to know yeah people really want to know no matter how many years have passed I would still read a Sean Loeb. Mm-hmm. I'm such a Sean Loeb guy. He's awesome. He's just the best. He went and filmed with Zach, his first day of filming. Oh, my gosh.

And when he came here after and he was like, because I was like, how was it? And he's like, that guy's hilarious and he's a goofball and he's really nice. Yeah. I was like, okay, cool. Oh, my gosh. That's so exciting. I'm just so happy. Are you going to watch his season?

I don't. Well, it's hard. Yeah. Like, I can watch it when it's myself. This time. I yeah I feel that I'm not sure yet now that you've had some time to like decompress and process or like you know go on with life not as the bachelorette dating all these guys how have you been no I've been good it's it's really like this is the first time since after the final row said I've actually not had something to do isn't that nice it's so nice but it's like crazy because you are so used to running around well because now you're forced to sit back and think about all of your feelings feeling it's I know. And that's the thing. I'm like, I kind of loved like running around for the past month because I just didn't have to really sit there and think about everything. And now I have to really like think about like, okay, what do I want to do? How do I want to move forward? Like what's next? Yeah. So I mean, I'm just kind of taking a leap and just seeing where it takes me at this point. But yeah, it's been actually just such a whirlwind. And that's like I know people say that. But this is finally like my chance of getting to like feel it all. totally and you just moved too

yes I just moved from where to where Florida I was living in Florida you still were yeah I know you're from there but I didn't know you were still there yeah I went so I graduated college two weeks before the bachelor's holy shit so I went straight into Bachelor filming and then I was like okay well I'm gonna live with my parents

because I don't know what's happening next for me and then went straight into Bachelorette and then during like all of that airing back I was with them because then I was back and forth to L.A and so yeah I'm in L.A. I forget. Yes. Cool.

It's been the first time I'm like settled in and it's crazy. But I'm excited. Well, it's such a big change. Like all of this is just so much. You've just been through the most in the last, you know, a couple years. Yes. Being bachelor, bachelorette, everything that you've gone through. Like you've probably grown so much as a human being that you're like, okay, I can handle anything.

Yeah. No, it's crazy how watching yourself back like forces you to grow. and learn and, like, watching myself back, I'm like, oh, my God, I made so many mistakes. And I so badly want to stand there and be like, you know, I was perfect. I stayed on my decisions. I watched myself be so dumb over and over and over again. And I'm like, you have to learn something from that. So it has been a learning experience for sure.

And there's so many things I feel like I can take from it. If it's not a relationship, at least just like lessons for the next one. That's so, I love that you say that because I thought about my season for a long time. And I was like, no, no regrets. And then I watched it. back when they did like the the goat season where they did like the greatest season I love it. Oh my God.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I made some mistakes. Oh my God. No, you didn't make any. I remember watching your season. I watched with my dad. Those are your dad's right? Yes, me and him watched your season together. And he like would only watch if I would watch with him.

And it was I remember your season. That was so cute. My God, I was such a baby. I would take a baby. It's crazy. Yeah, it really is. But let me tell you. Years from now, you're going to be like, like, there's only under 20 people in the world that can say we've done what we've done.

Yeah. That's crazy. Wow. It's insane. I know you were really open about going to therapy with Tino, are you continuing to go to therapy for yourself? Yeah. So I did. Yeah.

No, it's so great. It did it in between seasons and then during. So it's been definitely really, really helpful. And I'm glad that this season, I feel like it was so eye-opening that everyone's kind of doing it. I think this is the first time they really showcase that. So that's cool. I was really happy that they did that. Yeah, I could have used a lot of therapy after my season.

I should have. Didn't you go to therapy? Well, I... A little PTSD. Oh, my back is killing me. I did. Yeah, but it took us a couple of years to like... Oh.

Yeah. Yeah, we were just being idiots after the show. We were like going out and getting drunk every weekend. Well, it's fun. Like after, I don't know what is like experience up. But like, no, I'm like the whirlwind after. Like, I don't blame you at all for like being like, I'll just put it off. Yeah, that's exactly what I did.

I probably would have done that if I would have done that if I would have. I wasn't in such like a bad, like, not bad place, but like I just am going through my season airing, like a full public breakup and not only a public breakup, but a breakup that I knew about, but I couldn't tell anyone about. Yeah. Gosh. How hard was that? That was the hardest part.

It's like I knew what happened and only like maybe five people knew. Well, and the world because your facial expressions gave it all away. Oh my gosh. That was, I was like, you guys are literally giving this away, making me watch this back right now, me getting engaged, no emotion. How is the world? Could you smile through that? No, I was true.

I was literally looking at the bottom corner of the screen. So I didn't have to look because I'm like, I cannot watch any of this right now. Like the Aven breakup. Like all of it, like sitting up there and I'm like, I'm not going to cry because that's what everyone like expects of me right now. So you just looked at the bottom corner. So I just looked at the bottom corner. That's so good.

I literally did. I was like just dissociating and hoping it would end. Yeah. That's what I did. Oh, my gosh. We have a couple games for you. Okay. Well, we'll just do one.

It's hypotheticals. So if you could go on a past season of The Bachelor, whose season would you have wanted to be on? Oh my gosh. I don't know. That's such a tough question. Sean Lowe's my favorite Bachelor. I don't know.

Ben Higgins. Ben or maybe Pilot Pete. He was a pilot and have another female pilot. I think that would have been cool. Delta and American. Actually, you guys probably would have done. ended up together. Who knows?

No. Maybe later. He's a blonde dude, right? Yeah, it-ish, dirty blonde. Sure. Yeah. If you could explore a relationship with one of Gabby's men, who would it be, if any? Ooh.

I don't know. I'll say Logan because I had a relationship with him. Fair enough. I'll play safe. Fair enough. Okay. Loopholes. I like it.

If you were to have any other career, what would it be? Oh, that's good. Um, I don't know. I feel like if I wasn't a pilot, I would have been a flight attendant. Yeah. Because I really, yeah. Oh, you want to be on that plane. I know.

Yeah, that's what I probably would have done if I didn't go to school. What made you want to be a pilot? I like was, I just always knew. Really? It's just one of those things that like, like, I feel lucky because I know a lot of people search for a long time to find what they like. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you watch Catch Me if you can or something shit when you were a kid? I don't know. I just like, feel like I was born knowing how, like what I wanted to do. Like my dad would take. me to the airport. We would watch the planes, like, means that's whole thing. Yeah. But it's like so true. I just always knew. So I love the aviation industry. That's cool. I could never be a flight attendant only because I had worked in the service industry for 10 years. And I was like, man, people suck. But you do get the free benefits. That's true. And you get to travel. Do you get to

have how many people like fly for free? I think it depends on the airline. I know you get like significant other parents and then like maybe one other person. And then you get a bunch of buddy passes. You can give those out. Yeah. So beneficial for everyone. That's true. I need to find a pilot. Yeah. Maybe you do. Pilot Pete. Just kidding. He's open to him. I have a best friend pilot. Oh, I met him. Nate. Nate. Nate. I met Nate. Yeah. He works in the airlines too. Oh, that's right. He doesn't he live in Milwaukee? No, he just, he lived in Florida. He moved back to Ohio because that's where he's based out of right now. Which is like, ew. I'm trying to get him here. Yeah. Oh, my God. Please, I need it after.

God, I should have fed that to you before. There you go. Thank you. If you could talk to your past self or your future self, what would you choose and what would you say? Oh, my God. I would talk to my past self. Okay. I would go back to, like, right when the Bachelor ended.

Yeah. Because I, like, feel like at that point, I had, like, no direction. I had no idea what was happening. And I want, I would just be like, it's okay. Yeah. And then I also be like, don't be a dumb ass on your own scene. reason. Like, get your shit together. Kind of as a dumbass. I don't think so. Thank you very much. But I will, I'll disagree. I mean, I feel like I could have went back and told myself so much, like, night one. Like, I wish I could just whisper in my ear. I just be like, don't. Like, period. I mean, I guess we all could probably do that with our past selves. But yeah, no. That's nice.

Yours is just put on national television. Yeah. My gosh. If you could spend the day as a fictional character, who would it be? Oh my gosh I don't know I always used to say April O'Neill The girl that got to hang out with the ninja turtles Oh my god That's such a good one I feel so on the spot I don't know

Do you want to hang out with the turtles Yeah absolutely And feel safe I mean but you said it like hello Like it's a historical figure I was like who is that just like April O'Neil I'm like what show are you watching Who doesn't know April O'Neil

I ain't with the turks But like the Megan Fox April O'Neil She played that obviously have to be the hot April. Yeah, yeah, the hot April. Not the cartoon one. No, no, no, no. But a fictional character, I don't know.

Who could I see you as? I don't know. Maybe like Rachel and Friends. Oh, like she, like, we would vibe. Okay. So I would be Rachel. Oh, I would love to be Rachel from Friends. That's a good one.

And if you could live anywhere in the world, where would you live? Oh, my gosh. Probably Italy. Oh, you feel that. Eat, Pray, Love. Yeah, we're keep going back to that. Maybe I should do the Eat Pray Love tour. When she did the metaphor in Rome about that building.

and how the falling apart The ruin and then We literally both just watch like Everyone listens like I don't remember I think I wrote that quote down in my phone I'm like I have like It's true Do you ever have like a notes at like well like quotes

Like so you like it can inspire yourself I think I have one from Yes From that movie I do absolutely I have baby names I have like the baby names Quotes yes I have things that I think are funny

I have confessions written down in here My confession actually actually today is that I had a romantic dream about Tyler Cameron last night. Who doesn't? Wow. But it wasn't Tyler Cameron in my dream. It was a weird, like, very... Polygram?

Unattractive... Not unattractive Tyler Cameron. It was an unattractive Tyler Cameron, and I was like... But like, Tyler Cameron? But like worse. Oh. Like not even Craigslist. Like...

Not even... What? No, like really not... It wasn't even him. Missing a few teeth. Yeah. And I was like, why am I attracted to him in your dream? But like, it was him my dream.

And I was like, I'm so... It's just me without the filters. Oh my God. No, I've been having crazy. Like, did you have, like, crazy dreams? Like, after the filming ended? Yes. Like, I have them all the time.

I'm remembering something. You and Tyler Cameron started following each other and comment. Oh, who was that? Tyler Cameron. Oh, who? Who was it? I don't know. Yeah, you do?

Who was it? I should talk about Greg. Greg! That's who it was. Greg, you and Greg, Grupo, start following each other and comments in on anything. come on what is was there flirting vibes i just light up what's going on there what's got i get so hyped about like bachelor gossip sometimes but okay yeah who wouldn't flirt with him katie thurston wouldn't but other than that oh no i definitely flirt with greggrippel well

you kind of did didn't you or didn't he no he just followed me well i followed him and then he followed you back but didn't you guys comment on some things that's my dare truth or dare truth or dare Which one? Do you pick? Oh, yeah, we can pick it. I'll do dare. Okay. Yeah.

We dare you to go on Greg's last post. Okay, Greg, here we go. He posted with Andy's first pitch, go Cubs go. Oh, okay. You should put, yay, sports. Okay, just put, say, Caitlin, I'm playing truth or dare on off the vine. You can come at this. Oh, you really trusted me at this, Kay.

Yes. That is a liability. I didn't do it. Everyone can see. that's true it's me it's not rachel i'm playing truth or dare on kately over right now i'm not on katelyn's actually this is kately yeah rachel handed me your phone go cubs wait um hand me your phone school game katelyn go cubs yeah Yeah, it's cute.

And then you could delete it after. Sorry, Greg. At least it's, she looked right into the camera when she said that. Sorry, Greg. Sorry, I'm not sorry, Greg. Yeah. It's cute. He is cute.

He's so cute. Okay, that got out of hand. Was that on there? No. It was, in my brain, I just started thinking Tyler C and then I thought you guys started following each other. You're like, no, it was Greg. Okay, that's what it was.

If you could take one celebrity on a date, not Greg. Who are you taking? Joe Burrow, quarterback of the Bengals. Oh. So cute. Yeah, look him up. Yeah, look him up. He's my celebrity crush.

And if you're required to get a tattoo, what would you get? Hmm. I don't know. I feel like I wanted to get a tattoo. She's getting a cute little wings. I know something about like my time on the show, but not a rose. Oh, this guy. Well, I have a rose.

Yeah, yeah, I've seen him. Maybe I will get a rose. But it did take me a few years to want to put a rose on me. I know. I just. want to do something for like the memories because i don't have any tattoos you don't no so it would be my first one oh but you want one yeah when i was in iceland after like the finale like i was already broken up with i was just drinking so much i'm like let's go get a tattoo yeah my producer's like

you're not going to want that and like a couple weeks i'm like i want it but you know maybe yeah i could a cute little tattoo on you would do something i think you could and eat pray love quote in latin eat pray love can i steal you for a sec in cursive. Yeah. I'm not letting you get out of here without telling me a confession before you go. Oh, yeah. Fun confession.

Yeah. I was listening to Jill's interview with you. Oh, yeah, yeah. And her obituary story. I'm like, that was the most perfect one because she was dead serious. I know. She texted me the next day. Oh, she says, Rachel, I'm literally checking the obituaries for this man that goes to

ghosted her and she checked the obituaries and she was dead serious it's not even a joke she thought he actually died yeah because they had that good of a date and then he ghosted her oh yeah so did he die no he just actually ghosted her but I'm like that is the funniest thing ever because she dead serious thought this man passed away

six feet under right yeah I mean imagine like a first day going that good that you're like he's actually like not with us anymore yeah yeah lots and purse his family no literally thoughts and person I have well I have an embarrassing date story. So I, um, had a boyfriend in college, like for a little bit. And has he reached out to you since the show? No. Okay. He, I, yeah. Well, we had a rough relationship. Oh, okay. But so when I started

dating again, I like didn't know how to date, really. I mean, the show, I guess teaches you out. Yeah. It was in between. And so I went on this first date with this guy and I had a couple drinks. You know, I'm like trying to like not be like super stiff. Yeah. And I literally went on like a 20 minute rant about how carburetors work. in an airplane. And to this day, my friends will never let me live it down because of course he never texted me again. I wouldn't text me.

I was literally giving him a full on lesson because he asked about it, probably trying to be nice. And I literally started teaching him like a flight instructor. And my friends would text me all the time. They'll be like, remember that time you talked about a carburetor on the first date? But I'm like, you know, you learned from it. And then I never talked about it again. But he asked to be nice.

He asked about the carburetor? No, I don't remember how we got into it. But then he said to me about a, I don't know. And then I literally, it was like at least 20 minutes. His eyes just kind of glazed over. Yeah, he was like, this girl, like, get out of here and never talks to me again. And then he became the bachelorette. Boom.

I wonder if he knows. Of course he does. Yeah. I couldn't believe. Oh my God, the carburetor check. I can. You would be surprised about how many people will probably remember you if you. And it's so funny because, like, I like dated a guy from high school and he like came out

to me like years, like 15 years. later and I was like, I don't know if you remember me because he went on TV. I'm like, just because I went on TV, doesn't mean I lost my memory. Oh my gosh. My prom date from high school made a video about me on TikTok about my dad. Yeah, he like had a picture of us like. Was it nice or me? No, it was nice, but he met my dad one time. And it was when I went to prom. And he was like, he's like, for all the boys on The Bachelor, good luck with Angel's dad. I'm like, my dad, like, he kind of remembers you. And I'm like, I told my dad. He's like, oh, Tom, I say hi. But I'm like, uh, you met him once. Also, your dad is the nicest man.

Oh, my gosh. Actually, I'm obsessed with your whole family. Ordered fries for the table. Yeah. He was, and your mom is like the cutest. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. When I saw them.

I come from a good family. Yeah. Like, I didn't want to leave them when we were there in that hotel that night. I was like, but I want to hang out with you guys more. Oh, that's Gabby's. Oh, sorry. Love him too. Oh, my God.

I'm obsessed. He's amazing. Grandpa Joe. Grab a John. Oh, sorry. Yeah. I'm thinking Willie Wong. That is literally Willie Wall.

I got a job sitting up in bed. Grandpa Joe got out of bed for his first time he was not bad. I loved it. No, I just love the fact that Grandpa John's like more famous than any of us. He gets recognized all the time. He is a national treasure. I love it. Gabby's like, leave him alone.

Oh my God. Protect Grandpa John at all costs. I took a picture of him watching himself on TV. You do? Yeah. Oh, my God. It's the cutest thing in the world. Anyways, I do love your family.

I'm excited for what's next for you. Me too. Yeah. It's so fun. Like, obviously the unknown is scary, but it's also exciting because you know you can handle anything now that comes your way. Truly anything. I mean, if you can get through two seasons of this, I think you could honestly do anything. Public humiliation.

Anything. Sure. Yeah. People just, yeah. Ripping you apart for no reason. Literally. You can. You can get through anything. Stronger than ever.

Oh. What doesn't kill you? Okay, don't do Kelly Clarkson, Caitlin. I did that with Sean. And I broke up, I took a video of me boxing and I put that fucking song over. No, you did it. What a loser. That's a good confession, even though I posted it out to the world. Why would I do that?

I've been doing some crazy videos. I mean, when you go through a breakup, you're just like, oh, I know. You're like, what can I do? I like have a video of me walking down the hallway. I'm like, stop. It's fun, though. Like, how old are you again? I'm 26.

Ah, hell. You've got so much. time. Holy shit. 26. If I was 26 years old and I just finished being the bachelor and I was single, I would have a field day with dating. I would have a field day. No. Oh my gosh. I'm 37 and I'm like, that went by so fast. Yeah. How old were you in you were the bachelor? 30. 30. Really? Yeah. Oh, no. I turned 30 while it was airing. Okay. Yeah. But I was 29. Yeah. And it was truly like. I think that's a perfect age. It really was. I wish I wish I would. I wish I would have like been for like a couple years later honestly i wouldn't be where i am today if i wasn't

that age when i went on not saying don't have hope no i just feel like i had maybe five more years to like mentally develop like i could have probably did better but this probably was speeded up the process of right now i have to know anyways enough about me thank you for coming on the pod i know it's obviously going to be a different conversation from like when you were middle of being the bachelor's to now and i'm glad that long that long I would have loved you both times, but I'm glad I got to talk to you today and in person and when you had time to sit down and, like, you've processed and you're feeling and you're, I feel like you're in a good place. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

I'm so happy we finally got to do this. Anytime, honestly. Are you, so, you wait, I know you feel weird about Paradise, but are you watching? I am watching. You are, of course. We should do a recap of one of the episodes. Yes, no, definitely. Okay, I'll help you do that.

Let me know. Let me know. Let me know. Wait, see if Greg wrote you know. No, I'm going to throw up. No, I'm going to throw out on the way out, actually. If anything, I look like the idiot, you guys. Oh, it's sweet.

Anyways, I love you, and I'm proud of you. Thank you. Can't wait to do a little recap with you. I'm Caitlin Bresto. Your session is now ending. Thanks for joining us for this week's grape therapy. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow on your favorite podcast platform. And tune in Thursday for your next session.

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