Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Grape Therapy: Vanderpump’s Katie Maloney Explains WTF Is Going On

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Kaitlyn and her co-pilot Lo VonRumpf are in LA recording with someone from a little show called Vanderpump Rules… ever heard of it? Katie Maloney is in studio to explain everything to KB and Lo, starting at the beginning with how the heck she even got on VPR and how it’s evolved over the years. They’re getting into it all: divorce, nipple hairs, and Scandoval. Katie is an open book answering questions including: What’s her current relationship look like with Tom Schwartz? What’s it like going to business with your friends? What can we expect next on Vanderpump Rules? WTF happened on Watch What Happens Live? And, is a hot dog a sandwich? Whether you’re a long-time Vanderpump fan or brand new to the show, get ready to be caught up and filled in on all the juicy deets; plus, we get to know who Katie is outside of reality TV. Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: GAMETIME - Snag the tickets without the stress with Gametime . Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code VINE for $20 off your first purchase. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Snag the tickets without the stress with Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use code Vine for $20 off your first purchase. Welcome to Grape Therapy. I'm your host, Caitlin. so. And I'm your co-pilot, Lovon Rumpf. Oh, you didn't roll the artist. There we go. That felt right. Okay. Um, your session, everybody, it's now starting, right? Meow. I don't know if you've heard of this little show called Vanderpump rules. Oh, up and coming. New release. Yeah. Never heard of it. It's been on the airways for just 10 years now, not a big deal. All a decade. Yep. But now one of the castmates who has been on for 10 of those years, she's the OG. She's a big deal. She's a big deal.

She's joining us today, Ms. Katie Maloney. She's here with us to talk about all the drama that we've been seeing on our screens. And by screens, I mean TV, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. Everywhere. If Vine was still a thing, it'd be on there too. Yeah, all up in my explore page. All up in our grills. And so much to get into.

She's catching us up on not just the recent drama, but the past decade. How she even ended up on this crazy show after coming to L.A., her divorce, It's a sweet little witch from Utah. She's a little Utah witch with a heart of gold. And she loves sandwiches and wine. And wine. I really enjoyed this conversation with her. She's an open book and I respect that.

So this is a fun one from Vanderpump Rules. They have a new fan in us. Yeah, sure do. I'm a big fan of her now. Yeah, me too. Do you want some rosé? From high school. Sure.

I love some. Well, I hope you like it because it's mine. I know you know good wine. Yeah, you do. I'm a big wine gal. Wine and witches, witches of wine. Witches of Weho. It's coming back.

Tell me more. Oh, yeah. Love the name. Wait, so you have a wine label. Yeah, so it's, I mean, we do, we do a collab with knocking point, uh, wine. Yeah. Yeah.

So we, we had it a few years ago. Um, we did a pinot grigrio and we did a rosé. So the pinagrizo is the tears of our exes. I love that. know. Oh, I have. Potion number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're bringing back the potion number one. I love that. I'll bring back the tears of our exes, obviously. Obviously. Have you seen Love is blind? Of course. Okay. Remember that guy who's like, yeah, usually I'm into like granola girls and like witches who like drink kombucha? Yeah. I was like, that's interesting. Same. What a specific niche? Like it was very, very specific. 80% of the women in Los Angeles.

I'm awesome calls me a witch yeah you are I'm a bit of a witch of course little witchy what a compliment yeah well and do you know who Matt rife is no yeah yeah oh I've seen him yeah definitely slid into those dams got a reply but nothing you know I think he's attractive not my thing though well he's very how old are you if you don't mind me asking

I'm 37 okay me too oh yeah wait when is your birthday January 16th. Virgo? Virgo. Is that a Virgo? No, that's like August. Capricorn, yeah.

Oh, Michelle Obama. Oh, powerful. Very powerful sign. I like that. Capricorn energy is great. They get shit done. They're passionate, great lovers. Matt Rife would be rolling his eyes so hard at us right now.

So this is a thing that he hates when girls are into like crystals and astrology. Oh, I love that. And Ouija boards. It's fun. But I don't do Ouija boards. Oh, I do. a Ouija board. Yeah. I haven't in a long time, but I did buy his merch that had a Ouija board on it. They didn't buy any merch

I'm that girl I'm like creepy style I'm like level 10 creep getting his merch No I went to his show the other night Because he came on my podcast And so I was like got to support But I was honestly like

Because he came to my house Because my studio is in my house I know And I just sat there And truly I said some pretty inappropriate things But I was like it can land with him Because he's a comedian Yeah

Fair game But he yeah I was like Do you know You're good looking And he was like no And he's like, I was like a really unfortunate looking child. And I'm like, yeah, but you know now.

And then I know he was. And then he goes, I said like on a scale of one to ten, how hot do you think you are? Like a soft seven, like a hard eight. And he was like, I'm like an eight point three. And I was like, so you think you're hot. That's a pretty high score. That's a very high rate. Eight threes are like the hottest out there because tens don't exist.

Nine is like, what's his name? Chris Hemsworth. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then an 8.3 is Matt Rife. I like a little spice. He's a vanilla Sunday. He's a very attractive guy. Matt Rife.

What about him is vanilla? Have you seen the smile? Have you seen the eye? He's a white dude. I like a little flavor. You need some flavor. Like literal spice. Do you know what your background is?

Yeah. What is your ethnicity? I was trying to guess it. My 23 me. Yeah. It's a lot. Like the 50% of it is like, you know, English, Irish like that. It's a big portion of it.

And then the rest of it is all like Southern European, like a lot of like the Balkan Peninsula, which is like, you know, Spanish and all that. But then it's like Italian. So I'm like Sicilian. So that includes like all of Southern European. Like, you know, because in Sicily, everywhere from like, you know, northern Africa, like Morocco, all of that. They all kind of came into.

Yeah. Sicily, the Mediterranean portion of it all. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So. That's cool. You tan easily. I used to.

Now I'm like a vampire. Like I'm like pasty and I burn now. Hey, that same thing happened to me. I don't know if it is an age thing. Like once you get older, you burn quicker. I don't know. Your skin becomes more sensitive. I actually think it's maybe a side effect to my antidepressants.

Just lose whatever, like, melanite. We like, the teeny tiny bit that we had in us is gone. Now we have to smell like B.O. and get spray tants. Oh, God. Life is so hard. I'm so scared I'm going to get adult acne. I'm really paranoid about it. You would have already.

Really? I think it happens in your early 30s. Well, I started getting like random breakouts recently and like on my forehead. Not even like the hormonal kind of kind of like on your chin, you know, like on my forehead. Like I did when I was in, you know, ninth grade. I get hormonal but I also get a full beard at this point. Oh, that's, yeah, what is up? I don't know.

I remember some of my girlfriends talking about nipple hairs and I was like, You get nipple hair, so now I'm like, not only do I get a nipple hair, I get a full-on beard of cyburns. No. Chops. I can chip chops and like a flavor saver. That's why I'm like laser in my entire body so I can be like a, yeah, dolphin. I just want to be like, smooth. Me too. Yeah.

Do you get your face lasered? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm also going to go on medication. It's that bad. Like my hormones are bizarre. Wait, you have to go on medication so you don't grow hair on your face? Yeah.

That's a thing? Yes. Didn't know that. Well, fascinating. Being a hormonal woman in your 30s. I got tested for PCOS, but I'm like, same. That's what it's called? Well, that is a sign.

That is a heavy symptom of PCOS is like, what do they call it, male pattern hair growth? Oh, interesting. Chops. Yeah. Chops and a stash. I'm down. Well, listen, I had like a stash when I was like 10. Same.

You know, the eyebrows. I had the unibrow with the matching. Did your parents have like a timeline? Like you can't shave your legs yet? Yes. Oh, they did. Oh, I did. I found a rusty razor and I went to town and my mom was so open.

I did the same thing. And then my mom was like, okay, I'm going to sit you down. We're going to do this properly. If you're going to go behind my back, I'm going to teach you how to do it. How old were you guys? Oh, who knows? Too young. I was probably like in elementary school.

But like I was, you know, I didn't want to wear shorts and like P.E. and all that because I was. embarrassed. I mean, I definitely I've been shaving my arms for all of my life. My dad used to buy me bleach for my, it would be like body hair bleach because I, my mom told me if you shave your arms, it'll grow back twice as

thick. So my dad would buy me bleach for my arm hair. Oh, no. But now I just shave them. Now I laser them. Do you think we're going to get to a point where women are just, I mean, like in Europe, just no. I don't want, hairing it up. Okay, no, because I don't like body hair is just uncomfortable. It's same. And to each their own, I don't however, if people don't want it on their own body, that's their own thing, but I don't like it on me.

I think it's scratchy and feels gross, and I don't, I don't like the feeling of it. Like, the minute that there's a tiny bit of scratch on me, I have to take a razor to it. If you let it get nice and long, then it... Oh, no, no, no. Softens a bit. I thought having a bush was so cool when I first got one. Yeah. I was like, I'm a woman.

Rock in a 70s vibe. I am a lady now. Yeah. Now I'm like, I can't even. No, I can't handle it. I have a feeling that a lot of you out there listening, you're like me. You like having fun. And one way I like to really get up the old heart rate and have myself a night, you know,

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drama with you, which I'm like, I don't want, obviously we'll talk about it, but I want to get to know you a little better because I've followed you for a while and I just enjoy who you are as a person. And I'm like, are you sick of talking about the drama or are you like, that is part of my job of both. Yeah. Like it's expected, I think, you know, everyone's. curious everyone wants to know it is you know it is comes at the territory i mean it's it's relevant it's

what's going on you're on the tv show but i do still want to get to know you a little bit better for people that are living under a rock what are the last 10 years of vanderpumper was like what what is like if somebody had been living under rock and you need to explain it to them yeah if they were in an omish cult like me and i haven't watched no television i know i want to go all the way back and start it's rom springer and i'm talking to some okay no what's that what's rum springer oh we're like the amish

get to go for like one you know like little romp through the okay oh I didn't know that's a thing wait what oh she's well versed in Amish culture culture we tried to like throw it out there and then she won up to us yeah they get they get like one like break I don't know if it's like a weekend or a week

no wait like spring break Amish show yeah they get to go like wild like the purge but they're just going to have like a soda well and get a hand job I watch Breaking Amish. Oh, yeah, on TLC. Yes. Great show.

Okay. So basically, if you don't know what Vanderpump rules is, so essentially it started as basically a spinoff of Real House and Beverly Hills. So Lisa Vanderpump. She owned, well, she's owned several restaurants, but she's one of the owners of Sir Restaurant in West Hollywood. And I worked there. I've been working there for a couple years. along with, you know, a couple of my best friends and our boyfriends were all best friends. And they came to, you know, the staff meeting and they said, we're going to do like

a show here with, you know, you guys, the staff, whoever's interested. So if you're interested, stick around. We're going to talk to you guys. And me and my friends, Kristen and Stasi, we looked at each other. We're like, oh. Oh, yeah. And so we were born for this movie. Well, because we already had like so much drama. And I know everyone always says that. They're like, if we had a show, oh my God. Well, restaurant drama is real. I'd worked in the industry for 11 years. Yes.

And I think that's why people really like this show because it is so specific to that and so accurate. But so they sat down and I talked to Lisa and Natalie Guillermo, who are, you know, the other owners of the sir. And they're like, so who do you like? Who do you hate? Who have you hooked up with? Who have you dated? Who are your best friends?

And so I was just like, well, you know, Chris and Stas are my best friends and our boyfriends are all best friends and we all travel together and we fight and we always break up when we're all hanging out and you know one time I made out Peter but then he stopped talking to me because he started dating Stasi and they're like the show rights itself and they're like what yeah so basically they're like all right lightning in a bottle here we go and then we were just all like all like we don't know if this show is going to do well or if it's going to take off but we may as well just really commit and just go for it because you know well it's so perfect because I think a lot of people in their life have worked in the restaurant industry.

Yeah. If they don't, they're like mesmerized by it because it really does seem like a real life drama. It is a real life drama. There are so many people that like are best friends and hooking up and drama and arguments and it's genius to make a show out of it. The fact that it's been on for 10 years is incredible. And you've been on since the get-go. Yeah.

One of the founding queens of it. Yeah. She's a Biggie Gunvilsen. She's a real housewife's like original OC housewife. Yeah. Like she's just been part of the franchise since day one. It's very cool to be one of the pioneers of meat. She likes to remind people.

Every chance. I love Vicky, but she's like, anytime like there's like a new housewife or a new friend, she's like, you're welcome. Yeah. What's that phrase? I walked or I ran. No, I walked so you could run. It's like me in the bachelor world when people are celebrated for having sex.

Now I'm like, you're welcome. I had sex. Everybody remember that? Oh, yeah. Because you were like so harshly criticized. Oh my gosh. I keep bringing up Matt Rife. I showed him because he was talking about internet trolls.

And I was like, when I was on the show, it was one of the first, like, seasons where Instagram was really prevalent and, like, social media following and trolls. And, of course, there's always been, you know, what are those, like, threads and articles and story boards and blogs, Reddit pages. But this was, like, heavy Instagram. Yeah. And he pulled up the mean tweets people were saying to me. And I was telling Matt, like how at first I was. like crying just being like how can people say this about me and now I think we think it's so funny now but you've probably heard it all oh yeah people are ambitious also we our show premiered

well we filmed the pilot and we filmed our first season in 2012 and it premiered in 2013 so that was also like at the beginning of like Instagram you know oh yeah there wasn't you know I guess that was around the same yeah there wasn't influencers then that wasn't thing and so yeah like we were kind of you know our show was kind of coming up and everything was coming up as social media was as well. So it was like everyone was getting used to it at the same time. That's crazy. And so now I'm thinking about this.

I'm like, so you really, I'm sure people ask you this all the time. You really worked at the restaurant. You really are waiting on tables. We had to because I didn't have any money. So like it was such a weird thing to see yourself like on TV. You're on your show. You're on the show. It's starting to gain popularity.

But you're like clocking in like your shift on paper. Like you're still like living off. Yeah, tips. Oh, I remember the first time, I think it was like, is maybe season two or season. I went to go to Watch It Happens Live and it was kind of a like last minute thing. And I had hardly any money. I think Tom had to like, let me some money or something.

And I didn't have a credit card at the time. So when I went to go check into the hotel, even though, you know, Watcher happens, I will like pay for the hotel. You stopped to put a credit card down for incidentals. And I was like, I don't have a credit card. They're like, okay. You just had your little debit card And I have probably a stack of cash from tips

But yes Barely any because I was like I, you know Hadn't been I had pulled some shifts But I had to take off work For the weekend Or whatever

Whatever days I was going To do watch jobs in life for a couple days And they're not paying you at this time I mean we got paid Very minimal Jason Tardex podcast All of a sudden I'm like asking money questions I talked about it on his

But yeah So I'm here I am in New York They have to just like Now use their you know Company card for me to be there And I'm just like thinking like All right what can I eat Yeah

I just give by I know and I remember Stasi Stasi was living in New York at the time Because she loved this show So this was probably season three And she's like paying for my like Ubers to like come visit her And then I got stuck there

Because it snowed Yeah It was difficult times. So now, now, obviously when a show starts, they don't have the budget for that. But like now, now you can do influencing. You can do like, it's so such a. Like, does the show, does not still pay a lot? I'm sure it does now.

Well, let's see. Yeah, it's different now. Yeah, it's different now. Plus, do you, I'm sure you do influencing stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's, you know, I can chill some stuff on it. And, and you're, well, and you've got the wine and tell us more about that. There's. Yeah.

So we've been, you know, there's like collaboration kind of opportunities that we can do like with the Witches Oweeho wine that we're coming back with, thank God, with knocking point. And then, yeah, like the little side hustles. Like I had my podcast for a minute. I'm going to be doing another one. Oh, good. So, so yeah, just. And you're opening a sandwich shop? Yes.

Sandwiches. I want no more. I love us here. Here in West Hollywood. In West Hollywood, yeah. Cool. So we'll hopefully be open by June, July. I, it's just, there's so many moving parts.

If everything falls together, it will be open by then. Is a hot dog a sandwich? What? Is a hot dog a sandwich? Absolutely not. I think it's its own. Between two pieces of bread. I just think it's in its own category.

Yeah, I agree. I get the, you know, I get the idea of it. It's tubular shaped. If it's dick shaped, it's a hot dog. Okay, that's fair. I think it's just its own thing. That's fair. Same with a hamburger.

It's just is not like a topic. He doesn't agree. He's like, no. It's a hot dog mom. So if everything falls into place, do you have like a name? Are you opening it with somebody? Yeah. So me and Ariana, who's also, oh, never heard of her.

Just kidding. On the show. Nobody ever talks about her. She's also on the show. Yes. So we're doing it together. It's called Something about her. Something about her.

Yeah. And it's like a Nancy Myers vibe. Yeah. What? Oh, like a beautiful aesthetic. We wanted that just really, we want to romanticize lunch. way I want to romanticize my life. We wanted to have this like main character, you know, kind of vibe like, I don't know. I have this thing where I just wanted to have like the little

shop I go to. You know, same was like, you know, and think about like main character in a romcom. They have like their like little flower shop or their little coffee shop, their little cafe. That that's where their like life revolves around. And, you know, everyone's about to follow. Everyone's about to fall in love with them and everything's going right. And that's just their life. Rachel McAdams. Yeah. But current day. Yeah. Yeah, that's just like, you know, so we wanted the entire aesthetic of it to just feel like very ethereal and romantic and just whims that, you know, so yeah. So we actually reach out to the production designer of Nancy Mears movies. Oh, cool.

That's cool. Yeah. Oh, that's really cool. Are they doing it? Yeah. Yeah. I cannot wait to see this because I love Nancy Myers. Are you going to make a TV show out of it?

I'm, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be so good. Wouldn't it? I mean, but like, listen, I wanted to feel like you're stepping into a movie. The movie set. Oh, that's exciting.

You want to hang out there. It just feels that kind of cozy. Is it a big enough space? It's small. You know, we wanted to feel intimate. It's about 700 something square feet in that includes our kitchen, which is pretty big. But it's right on Robertson between Melrose and San Monica. That's awesome.

So it's prime real estate. It's very prime real estate. That's really cool. Yeah. We're also having beer and wine because Ariana, Ariana is very, her kind of like, specialty is cocktails. Oh, okay.

So we can do wine-based cocktails. That's cool. We want people to come in and like sit down, have a little like sandwich, maybe a little like have some like olives, cornishones, a little prosciko or something, cute, right? I love that. I will be your number one customer when I'm in town.

I cannot wait. You're like, um, actually there's already wait list. And that's, is it, um, have you ever done business with a friend? I, well, yes. Wine. The wine. Yeah. And it, it comes with its challenges.

Yes. Well, well, one of the witches did, is no longer a part of. Oh, yeah. Susie did not want to. She, she exited that back. Is that because, um, because she's not really part of Vanderpump anymore or is that? No, it was just, she. You know, she just wasn't into the, you know, working.

She's like, I'm a mom now, not a witch. She's like, I am, you know, I prefer to work. And it's fine. You know what? I, I would never want to trap someone or hold someone anyone hostage in that kind of situation. Or have anyone that, like, if they, if they don't have like all hands on deck and all of their eggs in that basket, that's hard to have as a business partner.

Like, you want that person to be fully invested in what you believe in. Yes. Yeah. I get that. I get that. Yeah. Fair enough. That's why I fired Lowe.

Lowe, you're fired. I'm like, oh, my God. I said you could leave. We need you to step back out of here. We would do business well together. There's certain friends. We haven't yet. Everybody else.

We should do a little collab with a little clothing. I've been, I'm her fashion stylist. He's like, yeah, I actually brought this up 10 times. And she's like, guess who I'm doing? Raman and I are doing a collab. I'm like, you know, and I are going to drop another little do at him. I'm like, oh, shit, okay. Once you're done with the puck, maybe you can throw something to the human over here, you know?

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grab your popcorn or your martini and get ready to cause a scene with your new best friends every Thursday Okay, I want to talk some of the people in my on my team are very invested in what do you guys call it?

VPR. BPR. Yeah. That did not roll off my tongue. I'm definitely going back and watching all this, by the way. I was saying to Bachelor people, I was like, you guys need to take a page out of Vanderpupul's book because I haven't watched

Vanderpump and I've always wanted to. It's not that I'm like, I've always wanted to. I've never watched any like, I've never been a Bravo gal. And now I'm like, I want to go back and watch everything from start to finish. There's been so much that's happened. I remember I started following you when you went through a divorce because I find it so empowering when women choose themselves and when, because you know, like that's probably a lot of pressure to stay in a public relationship and probably some things happen. I don't know. But like that must have been a really hard decision to start over and end it publicly and have

to go through all of that when it was like, what, 10 years of you guys being together? Almost 12. Holy. That's crazy. Yeah. And I bet so many people, well, actually you tell me, were people proud of you or were they like you guys should be together? And I feel like everyone always blames the woman.

Well, I feel like the woman's going to get blamed or the person that ends is going to get blamed regardless. Yeah. I don't think. I mean, there was people that were surprised. There's people that definitely liked us together. But also we almost the entirety of our relationship, like we were together for a couple years before the show. So the bulk in the most, you know, almost the entirety of relationship was on the show. So people did see not everything, but they saw a lot.

They saw and cracks from the foundation. Yeah. So and there wasn't, while there was still a lot of good. there was also like a lot of bad you know there was a lot of like the red flags and a lot of the stuff that I willingly ignored or you know just probably didn't see and was blind to yeah that a lot of people saw are probably rooting yeah and be like yes yeah that's nice yeah so I mean I tried and I and I held and I held out hope that you know he would choose me that's that's that's that just what was what it came down to is that I just was never really made a priority and yeah and I had to be real

honest with myself at some point that I was just like I wanted more. I wanted a different kind of partner and I wanted a partner period. Let's face it. But I, you know, I just, I just knew that's what I deserved. And for you. I wanted, you know, a happier future. And if it meant giving up the person I loved, then that's just what I had to do. And I wasn't so much concerned with public backlash. I just, I just, I had to like not even think about that. I mean. Did you turn it off? Yeah. social media not go on while it was going down no but i well i don't think i i'd avoided it but you know it was there was there was so much you picked and chose what you looked at yeah but there was also so much support that it was that it wasn't it wasn't necessarily a negative thing there

was a lot of support for both of you know like no one was coming after him i remember you guys both saying something like don't pick sides like yeah just because it's two people that are going separate ways you don't have to choose a side yeah and we still live together for like five months post because we were oh whoa whoa yeah we were in our house and we were doing repairs because we had this like old dogs we have dogs yeah so we yeah we had to stay in our house

before we could put it um on sale so how hard was that well the thing is at first at first it was because it wasn't it wasn't a negative thing it was very peaceful and amicable and there's still like love there it just you know it just and like the romantic part the marriage part ended but like we wanted to maintain

friendship yeah and we wanted to do but that didn't happen well that always sounds like the dream right you know to go through this healthy ish if you're you know going to go through a divorce have it be amicable and healthy and like still remain respectful each of each other but it seems like that went a different direction recently or is this we're just seeing it recently. It was very healthy and it was, you know, it was, it was all that until, you know, this past summer. Yeah. What, did that just flip everything? Or are you like, because I'm, I always say the benefit of hindsight is that you get to now, you know, you're removed, you have clarity, you could see it from a different perspective. And now you're seeing all this stuff happen and people's

true colors come out and you think you know somebody after, you know, a decade, but people change. and what does that look like now? I mean, the thing is I did know him and I did know that he didn't have a lot of respect for me and he didn't prioritize my feelings. So like it shouldn't have comments as a prize if he wasn't going to be able to maintain any kind of level of respect or prioritize my feelings. But I thought, you know, removing any kind of pressure to have to like really put in that extra effort.

But I think there was people that were very supportive of us having a, you know, healthy amicable split and friendship post-divorce, but then there were people that weren't because there were people that didn't like me. And they made that very clear to Tom. Mutual friends? Yeah. What? Well, I thought they were mutual friends. Like Tom Sandable is very much not supportive of us being friends. He didn't understand it. Oh, because he was holding a secret and he knew or I don't, I'm like, I probably sound so stupid, but I think it's just people that maybe themselves would never choose that kind of friend that that route post-divorce and that's fine for them right you know but like we because we you know have our dogs and because we were family for so long and we wanted that's just

like what we wanted of course because you still had to film together and live together and we have so many dogs together and some of our best friends are mutual i hate that your mutual friends are not mutual friends they are my friends no more so good well listen some of them like bitch i got boundaries well some of them have come around a little bit but you know some one or not but but tom you know he he we say that do people know what you're talking about who you're talking about yeah okay okay okay because i'm like yeah i was no ariana ariana she she was she didn't really believe that was sustainable because i don't think i think she was one of the people of the belief that like she would not really choose that for herself and so i was like okay

well that's you right as in saying friends friends and trying to have an amicable. Yeah. And then, you know, there was Raquel and she's just an idiot. And, you know, she wanted to do whatever she wanted to do, like make out with him. This was your ex, right? Yeah. And you had to watch that recently.

Did you watch her? Holy shit. I did watch. But also that was the thing. So because we had to still, you know, not technically, but we work together. We're on a show together. Let's face it. And also share our.

mutual friends and share our dogs. So I was like, you know, if you want to maintain friendship, and I do as well, but like he was very much the one that initiated that whole thing. At first I was kind of like, I don't know, maybe we need to like take a beat. Yeah. But he was like, he wanted to go have lunch every day and wanted to hang out every day. And I was like, I need time. Yeah. So I was kind of like, well, what I need in order to maintain the friendship with you and have it be healthy because we didn't get any kind of separation. We didn't get any time apart. We went right from being husband and wife and married to

being friends. I was like I think we should not date or hook up or anything within this like friend group with anyone on this cast like none of that. I think whatever we do. That's fair. That's very fair. Keep it off each other's front porch. Yeah. Like you do what we want. Right. Right. Which is so

I could, I want a little bit of your matureness as I guess you would say. I would be. I would be like, don't touch anyone. No, I don't care. I was like, I, like, you can, there's, Los Angeles is a big city. Yeah. And he, he owns a bar. Like, I'm sure there's plenty of women coming in there.

And, like, and also, he also, like, had cheated and hooked up with people. You know what I mean? So it's not like he'd not been anyone, the entire, you know. So. And did you know, are you found out later or you found out? During and, you know, well, it wasn't like, it was maybe not directly after it happened, but at some point. And they weren't from my friends or anyone I knew. So I knew he was capable of finding strangers.

So what is it? What is it about Raquel that she, is it just because she throws herself into these situations and then people do it and then go, whoops? Like, what, what is it about her? Is she a beer flavored nibble? I was about to say the thing. Convenience. Who knows? Yeah, made it very easy.

Was she a good friend to you? No, the thing is, we weren't close or we weren't friends, but I, but we had actually like in the last year become a little bit closer. Like she had gone through a breakup and I had like reached out to her and like she did my podcast and I was, you know, we were actively like trying to become friends. Like we're making a point to maybe like hang out or reach out to one another and, you know, we were both before or after a few before. Oh God.

Yeah. Before she invited me to her pageant that she had before we even started filming this season, like both actively trying to like pursue a friendship with one another. So yes, were we close friends? No. Like there wasn't, she wasn't one of my best friends. But we, we work to. Like I spent more time with her than I do like a girl code thing or guy code too. Regardless, I spent more time with her than I do some of my closest best friends.

I see her more than I see some of the people that I'm closest with. She's been in my home. we've taken trips like yes is it because of work and because of the show yes but like I'm still around her like because of that we've become friends and we're in each other's lives so I think regardless there needs to be that kind of respect

for one another I would not be hooking up with any of her exes no and what does that relationship look like now like is she so apologetic is she like feeling so much remorse is she like being like I didn't know what I was doing Like, what is her vibe? A drunken moment. Yeah.

Like, what is her excuse, reason? What's her? She's like a robot. Like, I, like, yeah. Because I went to her on multiple occasions and told her that I would be very hurt if she were to pursue any kind of physical, anything with Tom or whatever and was visibly upset. I cried.

My mom even cried to her and told her, like, that Tom, you know, again, he wasn't some, like, high school boyfriend. It wasn't a dude I dated. Like, he was my husband. We bought, we were, we bought a home together. We were going to start a family together. I mean, he was your husband, enough to it. Right.

Yeah. Like, she just didn't quite click in her head. Um, and so I, I just, she's just dense. Yeah. And like, just no empathy and no real like, just, she's just, she's kind of a droid. I don't know. Like, that's kind of scary because that's, there's some serial killer people out there. like the lack of empathy or even remorse scares me in people like it's one thing to make a mistake

but it's another to continuously make dumb mistakes and then have no remorse or be like like lack that compassion I don't know that scares me well and if she keeps telling herself the same thing over and over and explaining it to herself in her head and she has an echo chamber of friends around her They're like, do you? You're single. You're single. He's single too. You're not even, like they will justify it for her.

I don't know our friends. I don't even know. Rachel, Raquel? We call her Rachel now, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't know her.

Well, but I feel like. Do you say too that she was doing some like inner child work and therapy to like dig deeper? Okay. I have no. It's going to take at least 20 years. And I go, and I wish the best for that. A lot of dig into.

I, yeah. No, I've zero. clue what kind of I'm willing to bet she's not doing any of work because I was always like is that PR she was justifying away all of her terrible actions when it came to Tom Schwartz and then doing even worse behind closed doors so Tom Sandoval is the one that was with Ariana yeah okay and then your ex-Tom Schwartz okay now what just happened recently on the what happened live he called you a monster was he drunk um he didn't appear too drunk maybe like it felt like he was i don't know like he he seemed pretty with it but uh wait why are you saying

that you think he was a little tipsy well because it it seemed like this i was talking about this with my producers about how he was just like first of all he called her a monster and then people were like what and then they were and he was like i'm an angel and and then it was like a whole thing. And it just felt like he had like word vomit that didn't make sense. And he was wearing like wrist weights. I don't know. He was on our premiere episode in February with Tom Sandival.

And he kept touching his face. Like it's like this like nervous take. Like it was odd. It was bizarre behavior. They kept like putting his hand over his mouth and like touching his face. So he wore wrist weights last week when he was on to like, keep his hands away from his face or something. I don't know.

Okay. It was kind of stick. It was stupid. But, yeah, no, he, why does he mean so mean? Yeah. Did you talk about it with him after, off camera? Well, no, he, he got mad at me because he had said, like, his closing statement was, if you see Tom Sandville, you should give him a hug. Like, it was, it was kind of crazy that he's willing to come down and speak so negatively about me.

But when he came to talk about Sandable, who has true monster behavior. Right. He was very, like. defensive and sympathetic towards him right so i i had like retweeted some clip or something and i said dude like you're the only one that wants to give him a hug like read the room right read the room and he texts me like come on like you should be sympathetic towards him like he's going like whatever some kind of bullshit and i was like you are out of your mind that wait he but he but the general consensus was that he was out of his mind on that episode of

like nothing was really making sense unhinged. Yeah, because they were just asking, he was, he kept doubling down saying I abused the privilege of him defending me, but you can't abuse something you never had. And so did you know before everyone or how did that timeline work out? Like, did I know about this affair? Yeah. No. Okay. I didn't know for fact.

Right. I had suspected there was something about Tom Sanneval and Rachel McCall's. a friendship yeah that was very suspicious yeah and i had seen on like forms like read it like that she'd gone to like one of his shows in like near like sonoma or something but didn't like post that she was there which was weird because she's normally like front row bopping up and down right number one fan girl and i thought that was weird and and no none of her friends knew that she went to that show and i just was like this is odd and then Tom Schwartz had told me when we were at BravoCon in October when she wore this like Tom Tom hoodie to the BravoCon and looking like a fan girl and everyone was commenting how bizarre it was and I was like I know that's so weird and she went to one of their panels Tom and Tom's panels and like sat in the front row like why why are you going to their panel like this is so weird and I said something to Tom I'm like Tom like she's falling around like a puppy dog and I thought it was like about him because I thought she was still after him.

And he was like, and I was kind of like being a little patronizing. Yeah, yeah. Teasing, like mostly making fun of him. Yeah. And he's like, she wasn't there for me. Trust me. And I was like, all right. Sayless.

Get it. Interesting. And so that kind of stuck with me, like it was like a little earworm just like stuck in my like brain. And so I just started kind of putting things together. And I was like, there's no, this is not evidence. This isn't proof of anything. But like, I don't know. Like when you're not so up close to something.

Yeah. you know, you can see it kind of a little bit more for what it is because I thought it was just weird that, you know, everyone that was so close and around them so constantly didn't notice anything that was kind of off or weird. Now, of course, in hindsight, they're like, oh, I thought it was a weird. One night when we're all hanging out, partying super late that I walked into like one of the rooms there and they're both under a blanket. I was like, uh, yeah, that's not right. That is a blaringly like huge obvious thing. Like, and now what's, their relationship now. Do we know? Or is that for like, we'll have to tune in to find out? Or like, what is the relationship status of Rachel Raquel and Tom Santhaneville? He wanted to call him Scandival because of the whole thing. Yeah, I don't know. They, yeah, I, you'll find out a little bit of that on the reunion. Yeah. But like, truthfully, I've no. Because people like, I don't even like, yeah, they talk about it on the reunion, but as of today, I might have changed. I don't know. Right. I'm sure it changes on the day.

Yeah. I just can't. It was just such a, it was like the whole Haley Bieber and Selena thing was going bananas on TikTok. And then all of a sudden it was like, JKJ, gay, we're going to switch to Vanderpom. And it was like, that was like all my for you page. And I was like, oh my gosh. What is. And then my brain goes, well, it's a show. Like they probably like had a little product. And then everyone was like, no, this actually happened. Like this is nothing to do with a like production or storyline. like this is a real thing which I'm sure has been that's like the whole show in general that's not like really a high I mean of course it's produced but it's not like setting storylines it's your real life yeah I mean besides like production like saying like

okay here's a call time you know because they have obviously crews and they need to make a schedule and they need you know permits and things like that but like no once we once we show up like we just do our thing but yeah like When all that shit came out, they picked up cameras again and we talked about it. Yeah.

So when does all of this air? The, like the new stuff? Yeah, the main potatoes. So, let's see, we have 14 episodes. Our original finale date was supposed to be like the, like, May. Oh, that's perfect. May. Open your restaurant.

So I think I think it's going to be like May 17th That episode will be How are you going to run this place If Ariana is on Dancing with the Stars? I heard a rumor Oh the alleged rumor Yeah no I even like text her about that

She goes yeah I don't know And I'm like So like so I don't even know She's not even confirming or denying anything really with me That would be perfect I'd hope so I'm like oh my God That'd be amazing

If she does I have all the advice in the world for her. I will help her through everything mentally, physically, emotionally. But I think that's always such a good comeback story for people dancing with the stars because I'm not like chills. I just got like, oh no, my leg hair is going to grow back. Oh, isn't that the worst? Isn't that the worst?

The second I get like a chill and then my leg hair is like five inches long again. I'm like, what? And my job's. But that would be cool if she went on because it's such a good show. I can pick up some slack if she's got to do some dancing with us sure I'll come bartend for a day

we're obviously going to like hire some people so we'll just be like the two of us obviously but um but yeah no I hope that happens and hopefully we find us to meet soon text Ariana to 472 6 I don't know I'm over here just like wanting to be you know

emo night DJ for eternity yeah wait you guys did that yeah that looked so fun it was like the greatest time of my life that where did you guys do that it was at avalon in hollywood oh my gosh did you see that they're doing like i want to hear more about is this something you guys always do no that was the first time first one i was like i want to go yeah well DJ in a is a very loose yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i played your playlist i pushed a button someone uploaded the playlist and i pushed a button yeah but it was it was

incredible so emo night is like a it's a it's a touring sort of it's in more like cities all across the country um but it's like once a month in LA and it doesn't Matt Cutchall does this um he does he did he did like a he did his own thing he did an emo's not dead like cruise thing but uh yeah it's it's basically like a party where it's like a huge like sing along and they have like guest DJs like throughout the night that have like 30 plus minute sets and it's just music for you know just from the early 2000s on up of like So fun. It's so much.

That, fun. So we got to do 30 minutes. It's me, Argonne and Sheena. And just, yeah. That's awesome. Rock your face off. I love, early 2000s, email was superior. Superior.

Correct. It's funny because we played a co-heating Canberia song, A Favorite House Atlantic, which is like still one of my favorite songs. And the lead singer of that band, I think it was his, what I found out was like his wife. She comments, she goes, oh, my God, that song. And I was like, it's been like one of my favorite songs for the last. And I realized it came on 2003. I was like for the last.

Oh, my gosh, 20 years. But like I still listen to it all the time. You need to date like an emo guy. Like someone who is, are you dating? No. You are dating. Well, I'm dating. I'm dating, but not anyone exclusively.

No. You like skinny guys. I'm just like keeping my options open. Is that your type? Skinny guys. Like Travis Barker because me. Oh, I'll take... Skinny guys with huge dicks.

They always do. Although I do think it's a proportion thing because they look so little. Oh, maybe. There's just like an optical illusion. Yeah, I think that's part of it. I think that's part of it. Perhaps. Would you, does it scare you to date in the public eye again?

The thing is, is that I just never thought that that would happen. So it just makes you nervous because I'm on a reality TV show that it's like, I can't hide much of my life. Like, I don't really have a, I don't get a private life. Right. If that makes sense. really don't um so it's like one of the things i'm not gonna like go on a day and be like hey by the way uh you have to be no i'm that's not that's not like that comes up immediately right away i'm not gonna like just throw that out there but it's also like the the difficult thing is is that

if somebody doesn't know who i am they can just like google me and then like they can find out a ton of like really just personal personal like they can like literally google anything i'm always like what comes up first when you google me oh no and that's what is what is it? Well, it depends on the day. That's why I'm like, I need to stop like being so... She's a monster. Well, that might be it today.

Katie Maloney's ex-husband calls her monster on Watch It Happens Live. I'm like, oh, that's a lovely headline for a potential suitor to just like read first thing. Yeah, but if I read that as a potential suitor, I'd be like, that guy seems like a... It needs to be like Katie Monty, saves the whales. Yeah. Katie Maloney, like, just... Go save some whales.

saves the drowning baby like that's what it needs to be like you should just do that i need to stop drinking wine and talking shit online yeah go wait by the sidelines for like a whale to be saved beach himself yeah beach himself and then just push it back out and set up a camera and instead i just like am like talking shit yeah that's what we that's yeah it's what we do it's part of it it listen that's the thing is like whoever is going to date me has to just accept that so I guess it's a good way to weed people out. That's true. They have to know going in.

That is one good thing about if you're in the public eye. People kind of know what they're getting themselves into. I just can't like anyone. They're just literally have to like let people like me, I guess. Yeah. It kind of sucks. I feel like, I feel like you're a rare bird. Like I feel like you could have your like pick of the litter.

and unless they don't like listen not to like suck my own nipple here but like I think I am pretty like rare and I have a lot to offer someone they're just going to have to be down with some dysfunction that's it but we all have dysfunction yours is just put on blasts sometimes just on network television yeah

like we all have dysfunction it's almost better if it's just put out there because you're like he's oh I barely has a Facebook just off the radar doesn't give a shit about anything and he's just like down to have a good time with you and doesn't really care about any of that They exist, not here in L.A.

Not here in L.A. Utah. Go back to your roots. I hope he doesn't have Facebook. Oh, that's... No, that's like all he has. I do have a Facebook. Oh, that's all he has is a Facebook from 2007. I don't know.

I mean, I kind of... I go back and forth being like, should it be like just whatever or is it better if like he kind of has a grasp on like how this shit goes? That's true. I don't know. I go back and forth. I think it's so hot for a guy who's not into it at all. Yeah, I do too.

But it's also kind of a red flag. because you're like, what are you hiding? Oh, I always think they're a serial killer at first. Yeah. Okay. And then once you get to know them, you're like, oh, that's what. If I ask somebody, if they have social media, they say no, I'm like, you have a wife. Yeah.

Sure. Fair. You have a wife. Do the background check. Yeah. The background check on them. Yeah, you got a background check. That's my girlfriend, Carly Pierce, who went through like such a freaking public divorce when she thought she was in love.

Now she's with this angel of a human who is private on Instagram. he totally like can separate himself from like she has this one life of like an artist but like then she's carly the real carly and and i feel like they have the cutest little healthiest relationship of like he respects what she does and he kind of gets it because he used to be a professional athlete and but he's private on on instagram and like retired and like has got his own thing going on and they just have like the healthiest balance yeah that sounds great i can't have some of this like to remove from like the the the gram of it you know what i mean like yeah they gotta be they gotta dabble or at least know what it's why do you want him to like your photo or something no no no i just because if like he's like why you gotta be on social media like yeah you know what i mean yeah okay he has a grasp of it he has a grasp of like he's a basic understanding of like why i need it or why i need to be on it or like my job and why it's important you know what i mean like if he's like if he's just completely clueless to my world like that's not gonna work that's fair also it's it

tuesday today it's Tuesday today when we're recording and you guys there's an episode that comes out tomorrow. Yeah. It was Wednesdays, 9 p.m. So when people listen to this, they would have already seen it. Yes. So what happens on this next episode? Ooh, oh, this next episode, tomorrow's episode?

Yeah. So we're still in Mexico. Okay. This is, sheena's now, her and Brock are getting married. So this is the aftermath of Tom and Rachel's kiss. And I'm pissed off. I want to lay some people on fire. Oh, Angela Bassett.

What's that waiting to Excel? Remember that scene? Did you see it? She flicks the cigarette. Oh, it's a iconic. Oh, and then it blows up by her. Oh, my God. Age discrimination.

I don't know. I haven't seen waiting to exhale for so. I watched it last night. Here's the thing. I just love that scene. Well, I'm over here watching Jerry McGuire every single day. There you go. You know.

Yeah, so I'm pissed off in Mexico. And Tom, you know, I'm just trying to just survive there. And me and Christina, like, we, you know, we have this, like, dinner while the wedding is happening. And Tom, drunk ass comes and crashes it. And this is when I say to him, I think you're a drunk and a loser and pathetic. And I just, like, handed to him. I hate you. I'm pissed off.

Yeah. How does he react to those? And he's like, he's trying to, like, that was such a roller coaster because I haven't watched that episode weeks before the reunions. I haven't I'm not like it's not fresh in the old it's not fresh um but he was just it was such a roller coaster when we like when I remember the actual conversation because at one minute he's like oh no I'm sorry I love you didn't and then the next minute he's like I don't get fuck I don't care I'm so unfazed by this but he was so I just remember looking at him and he was like sweating and his glasses were like fogged up I'm like I don't know

you. Yeah. Like this person, don't know him. Yeah. Don't know him. Which kind of helps, I feel like overall. Because you're like, yeah, I know me. I don't even think you know you anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Bye. And that, my friend, is what we call closure. I knew you'd knew that. Knew that. I knew you'd know that. I can't speak. I'm so excited to see just like what happens in the future for everybody. I can't wait for your sandwich shop. That sounds like the most romantic. little cute escape from reality. Uh-huh. Right.

And I love to romanticize lunch. Yep. People underestimate lunch. We romanticize brunch. We love a good dinner. But where the fuck is lunch? Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And it can still be brunch, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. And also, like, we want to make it like, we're going to do a really cute, like, picnic situation that you can do, like, a little to go. Cute. Right.

Oh, and then take it and go. Oh, my gosh. That's a really great idea. There is a, there is a park right behind the shop. So, or, you know, take it to Griffith Park. I don't know. Take it to the cemetery. Take it to the cemetery.

I want to have a picnic with you. Take it to the cemetery. I love going to the cemetery. I love that too. Really? Yeah. Oh. I love death.

What are you doing tomorrow? Logos and does the squats at the cemetery. He literally goes to work out. You send her videos all the time. Oh, you like, see Judy Garland today. Oh, you just like go to the cemetery. I hang out at the cemetery all the time. Oh, okay.

I dig that. And do you always say it reminds. you that like life is short. It does. Well, then I see all the fresh plots. I'm like, oh, Freddy just died on Thursday, you know. So you see that and it really does remind you because sometimes you get so bogged down with life and stress and shit like that. Like, you know what? I'm going to probably be like one of these little headstones one of these days. And these are all power players. I know you're judging me if you're listening to this. How dare you? Thank you for not. But the L.A. cemeteries are a completely different ballgame. It's like acres and acres.

Of Hollywood stops. Yeah. And peacocks and coyotes. and the freak there's mountain lions it's like a nature reserve It's beautiful Mexican witches What just happened there? Sure The coyotes are going to eat you

Well no Stasi got engaged At the Hollywood Forever Cemetery There we go There we go fellow witch She gets it She gets it I need to We're gonna have a picnic there

Elevate my witchiness Yeah Bring your crystals And we'll go together Is there anything we didn't talk about That you wanted to talk about Oh I mean Oh I have a question

question. Ask me. Ask me. Ask her. I have one for you, Caitlin. So, um, you got divorced. Yeah. So that's been established. Correct. And so, um, with that, are you open to marriage again? Oh. Would you consider getting married again in the future? Or is that off the table for you? Um, depends. I feel like you believe in love, though. I do. Okay. So I don't, okay, I would, do you know what? Do you know what? I wouldn't, I don't want to. I believe in love. I don't want to have like, I don't want to have like, oh. It's get. a whole wedding again. Like I could, I cannot picture doing like the whole like dress. Yeah.

And the thing and the part. Like, no. But like, if I met somebody and they're like, I want to marry the fuck out of you, I'd be like, oh, and I love them. I'd be like, I'm, I'm down. Yeah. But the thing is divorce is so fucked up that like I would want to avoid having to do that again. Yeah. Golly non and Kurt Russell it.

So if it meant like not getting married in order to do. just ever having to get divorced again, then just great. But like, if it was really important to the person I love to get married, then it would be important to me. Sweet. But I don't want to have a way. Perfect little Capricorn answer. I actually love that answer.

I do too. I would be engaged. Like, can we just be engaged? When you have to go through, like, it was really like, cut and dry and sit. It wasn't even like messy. Like, we were like, what's yours is yours? It was mine and mine. We used a mediator.

Like, we didn't get lawyers involved. It was so, so simple. But like, it was. it took six months for it to be finalized and then when you get that like thing in the from the back from the court that's like it's final and you see that you're just kind of like pop champagne oh oh you feel you feel like we I don't know it's the whole thing is just so like you know what I mean it's just I don't know you go you have that like wedding and you see those like I don't know it's just then you're like what's real like we said these vows and it was supposed to be this and it's such an ending of an era that's

over a decade of your life. Yeah. You know, that's a huge chapter. And then you're like, next chapter is going to be even better. Yeah. With like Nancy Meyer's sandwiches. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's, I'm just saying it is just, it's a mind fucking sense that it's like.

Of course. It makes it real and you see it and then it makes you remember all the things you thought it would never be. And then you have all these, yeah. And then, I don't know, you got like wedding albums. You're like, what do I do with this? Right. Scrapbook.

Put them in the attic wherever. They're so beautiful. Um, so I mean, they're, they're, they're in a box until I get to that point where I'm just going to look at and be like, ooh, why do I have this? That's true. That's true. It's all in divine timing, you know, it'll be, you'll, you'll, right now you don't know what to do with them, which means you don't have to know what to do with them. And at one point, you'll be like, I know exactly what to do with them. Yeah, until that day comes, they're just going to. Raman? Oh, ramen's getting the growls. Well, I just want to make sure there's nothing else that you wanted to either say or promote or get off your chest or anything. That's, I mean, I think it covers that. That's like my life story in a nutshell. So that's my life. Hope you enjoyed it because I know I did. Okay, we'll tell everybody, they already know, but where, when they can watch Vanderpump, where they can follow you, where they can get your wine. So, yeah, so, I mean, you can watch Vanderpump rules on Wednesdays on Bravo at 9 p.m.

And I think it's on Peacock on Thursdays, I believe. And then you can follow me on the Graham. I don't really do anything else. else because I don't, I'm already terrible on Instagram. I have music as Kate. And then the wine is coming out soon. It might be this week or next week, but I just got one bottle today. And it's so pretty.

And that'll be available on knocking point.com. Cool. But yeah. And then sandwich is coming soon this summer. I'll be there. We will be there. Yeah, we will definitely be there. I want to put like your, I want to put like your first dollar bill on them.

You know how the people do that? And follow something about her. It's just at something about her. Instagram for like updates. I love that name. Thank you. Some people don't get it. They're like it sounds like feminine products and I'm like, you'll get it once it's open. Yeah. Just I, that gets people talking. Who cares what they say? They're talking about it. There's something about her. It's something about her sandwiches. Delicious sandwiches. Mm-hmm. A bite out of that. Anyways. Good thanks. I'm Caitlin Bristow. Your session is now ending.

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