Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Janice Dickinson | From Runway to Reality: The Rise of THE FIRST Supermodel

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

#746. Join Kaitlyn Bristowe for an exclusive interview with Janice Dickinson, the original supermodel whose career defined an era. From her groundbreaking work in fashion to her candid persona on reality TV, Janice opens up about the highs and lows of her life in the spotlight. Hear her stories of resilience in the face of industry rejection, her iconic relationships with stars like Mick Jagger and Sylvester Stallone, and the truth behind the myths surrounding her career. This episode delves deep into Janice's journey, dispelling misconceptions and offering a glimpse into the real woman behind the headlines. Whether you're a fan of fashion, reality TV, or simply curious about a legendary figure, this conversation is not to be missed. If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE! EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (3:40) - Janice discusses her early struggles in NYC and industry rejection. (15:47) Janice speaks about her relationship with Tyra Banks. (35:49) - We find out the 2 iconic songs written about Janice! (45:02) - Janice addresses misconceptions about her from "America's Next Top Model." Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals! Heineken: Heineken Zero Zero: 100% taste, zero point zero percent alcohol, only 69 calories. Now you can! Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first month’s subscription & free shipping when you go to See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, everybody, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristock, the biggest legend in the studio today. I kind of feel euphoric after this episode. So do I. Like, Janice Dickinson is probably the biggest top model in the world that's ever been around who has seen some shit. Icon. A firecracker. Just the way she responds to all of my questions is so real.

Like, she doesn't hesitate. She doesn't hold back. No filter. She tells us the craziest stories, but she's a literal iconic queen. And, like, I feel high after talking to her. And I want to be Janus when I grow up. What are you going to talk about on your podcast? What's it going to be about?

Everything. Love it. Everything. Kind of like your history, where you're at, where you're going, your life. I would assume so. I mean, I've done so much. You really have. And I know about a lot of things. I don't profess to be a Rhodes Scholar. Yeah. I just traveled so much in my life. And I was married to a musician. Rocky and I, we go around, we go far, far away places. Yeah. I feel like you've seen some stuff in your life. Like I would listen to your podcast because of the life you've lived.

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. I think it's, I'm excited for it. So wait, do we have a name for it? Get into it. Get into it. Okay. Let's get into it. Good transition. Caitlin. When you, like, growing up, your upbringing, I guess, you talk about in your book, right? Tell me what the book, like, what people will take away from it. It's just, it's about incest, sex, drugs, rock and roll, studio 54, fashion, thrival. It's about me and all the phases I went through when I was modeling, when I was not modeling, when I was being, when I became a mother, when I became a writer, when I became a photographer. living in Paris, living in Italy, living in New York, long stretches. I've lived all over the world, and it's been amazing. I just look at your resume and everything you've done in your life, and I just go, oh, my gosh, and now you're still going, like, you won't stop. Were you born this way? Were you always?

Because I think you mentioned in the book, maybe in the book, that you had troubles with your father and that he mentioned many times that you weren't good enough, and you'll never make it. So was that kind of like the fuel that you're like, I'm going to prove? Or is that just in you naturally? That's it. That's in the back of my mind. You know, I think it's just there. I don't think the words and I don't hear his voice. I just, I know that it was terrible growing up with a lot of physical abuse.

Yeah, I'm sorry. And sexual abuse towards my older sister that I was aware of. And it was really, really hard. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine. If I said something he didn't like. He was a racist and an anti-Semite, and he was just, he was just so full of hatred. Yeah.

The day after I graduated high school, I got into a car and drove to New York City with like $14 in my pocket. I didn't know. Nothing. But I was living with a girlfriend and her mother and her sister. Wow. Off of Lexington Avenue. And did that scare you, or are you excited? I'm excited as hell.

I was young. Yeah. You know, I was round face like you. You have got the youth in your feet. face still and it was it was fun so I went to go meet the agents yeah they rejected me what they rejected me because I was too kind of like I was very full in the face oh so they like I know I can't even imagine what the model industry was like then but so you they said you had too full of a face yeah they said my cheeks were like you know just I was too still had baby fat oh my gosh now I'm sure your confidence

and Scott kicked a lot from growing up in a household like that. But were you like, did that build you up for some rejection? Or were you like, how did you take that kind of feedback? I took it as constructive criticism. Wow. And I looked at more magazines because I was always looking at every magazine in the world. I loved Lauren Hutton. Okay.

Sailing across the pages of shot by Richard Avedon and Vogue. You know, I was always reading Vogue ever since I was a little girl. and I wanted to be, I wanted to escape in the photograph. Wait, explain. Photography is escapism. Okay. If you're a model, you could escape into being in front of the camera and just lose yourself. And it becomes, you become one with a camera.

I was one of the best in the world. Oh, yes, you were. And I know it because I, still to this day, there's nobody like you. I can stand next to someone and if they're taking a picture, I'll know which were the it is. Yeah. Yeah, you've got it dialed in at this point. Did your father have something to say when you did make it, or did you not have a relationship with him anymore? I just never listened to him after that. I just, he was just there. Yeah. He was just there, you know, my mother was a diehard Catholic, so there will be no divorce ever. Yes. Although I've been married three times.

What is your take on men in general? Well, I think they're pigs. All men are pigs Yes How did you find a good one? I waited I waited I raised two To sober children

Well Nathan's not so sober He's 37 She's 30 She's going on auditions She's with CAA Yeah Nathan is with Fields Entertainment His name's

Nathan Fields And his recent show Is Restoration Aloha Okay It's a flipping house is show Oh everyone those. Yes, and he did his last show of the Michael Carbinar effect. It was about a music. Oh, I love that magician. Magician. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Do you ever get a little bit jaded or protective of them being

in that industry? No. Tell me how. They never wanted to go in front of the camera. They just wanted to be in the background. They wanted to create and to produce. Yes. But Savvy, my daughter, she is in front of the camera and she's, boy, when she does a scene, it'll tear you up. Really? Yes. She's a very good actress, and she's done all the studying and the voice coaching and the one-on-one with the actors and the breathing. It's a lot of work to become an actress. I don't think people give it enough credit for, they think it's just like a natural-born talent to, you know, act, model, sing, dance. And it takes a lot of discipline, a lot of hard work, a lot of, like, constructive criticism, as you would call it.

I'm too, like, soft for that stuff. But when was it? So you moved to New York, you're living with a friend and their mom, and when was your big break? I got married when I was 18. Okay. That's kind of young. That's a little young, yeah. I was living between New York and Boston.

He played piano for the B.B. King Band. Oh. He was just, like, very talented white guy in an all black band. It was fun traveling to all the different cities watching them play. Of course. Until one day up in Terrytown, New York, he was having sex with this African-American girl. Like, I opened the door, and there they were, banging against the wall. And I was like, wow, I just slammed the door and ran out of the building.

And it was raining. And I hitchhiked from Terrytown, New York to New York City. And I was sobbing, and this trucker picked me up. And I was like, men are pigs, men are pigs, dogs. How could he do this to me? I've been so faithful to him. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't think of cheating on him.

Yeah. But that changed over my life. What do you mean? What changed? Well, I became a cheater. Oh, okay. Do you think that was from alcohol and drugs? Yes. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. So you got in, you hitchhike. But did somebody discover you or were you like? I was living in New York City then after that for two years and going to every model agent. Yeah. Every photographer. I didn't really have money to take taxi cabs. So I walked everywhere. It was great. I had great legs. You know, it was like really built like a, you know, rocket. I walked into Ford agency in New York City, and I was so excited. I had about 12 bad pictures in my portfolio, and the portfolios back in the day were 11 by 14 pictures.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not on the phone. Yeah. Those days are gone. Yeah. And I waited patiently for my turn to see Eileen Ford, the director of the agency. And I went into her office, and she said, you'll never make it in this industry.

I can't say what she said about. She called my lips, the N-word lips. No. Yes. And I was so hurt. Wow. And I looked at her and I went, you lady.

Good for you. Yeah, you could say it louder. You say it with your chest. You do, Eileen. Yeah, yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. And that was like, that was the first time I was saying like,

fuck you to my dad, you know. Yeah. Because here's another evil person judging me for what they think is their, There's certain type of beauty because in her agency, on her agency head sheets, she had nothing but blondes, blue eyes. Blonds were in the middle 70s. The Christy Brinkley's, yes, of course. So did you just keep going until someone said yes? I was crying on the way out of our office and one of the bookers came up to me.

She was French. Her name was Monique Palau. And she said, Janice, go to Willemina. And I said, Wilhelmina, what is it? She said, modeling agency on 34th Street. And she was French, and I was like, okay. And I was like writing it down. And I walked over there.

And I sat in the office and I waited to see Willamina for a couple hours until she would come out of her room. And this was one of the most beautiful women you've ever seen in your life, Google her. She's like, she's got this neck. She was Dutch Oh wow She's like very striking And she was up And she gave me confidence

And she encouraged me Stunning She said it's gonna be hard for you Because you're You have a certain look like me And I was like like you Yeah His cheekbones up to here

And I like you Thank you I didn't have the cheekbones yet I looked at all the cover she had On the walls Of bizarre and Vogue and Cosmo and all the European magazine she had on the walls of her modeling agency. And I was just, just, imagine you going into a diamond store for the first time

or just whatever you love. Yeah. Just whatever you love, babies. You see babies for the first time. Wine if you go to a good winery. Yeah. And you sample the goods. It's like, wow, on another level.

Yeah. This is another level. Yeah. And then so she helped you. kind of she gave me numbers of photographers that would test me yeah that wouldn't slam the door in my face I was the first model with these thick thick lips in the world now everyone wants them yes no one wanted them back then so my question is and I'm very curious about this because I know how television works I know how reality television works now you've been you know

people have said awful things to you in your career and shut the door in your face and told you you weren't good enough, how hard was it for you to then be on America's next top model and tell people the same things? And be labeled as like the Simon Cowell of the show. Well, hang on. Prior to the reality shows, I was on every cover of every magazine in the world. I mean, you were the biggest. Back in the late 70s and early 80s. Every designer's fashion show and the photographs to boot. And I was working night and day, you know, traveling on the Concord. Yeah. You know, just flying around the world and just... And did you love it or were you exhausted?

Being sought after. Yeah. Well, that's when I discovered cocaine. Yeah. You know? Yep. And it worked. Yeah.

It kept all of us going. Yeah. Yeah. Throughout the night. Well, and wasn't that so just a thing that everybody did, too? Like now... Studio 54. Yeah.

People used to wear Coke spoons around their neck and walk around and they would be... I mean, the biggest stars went there and you danced till 2 a.m. Yeah. It was fun. I bet it was fun. And was there a moment where you were like, I can't do this anymore? What was the sobering moment for you? Sobering moment was, I can't remember.

You don't have to. The sobering moment were many, many moments. I'd get home. I'd get home. I leave the studio at 1.1.m. Faithfully, because I knew I had to be up at like 6.30 to wash my face and put it nice, make the alcohol bloat go down. But I was young and it went away. And it was, I was residual.

bounce back. I was able to bounce back quickly. It wasn't until in my 50s that I had a full life of modeling and commercials and having two children. And I thought to myself, what am I going to do now? And I just started, I got sober. Yeah. 2010. And I started writing the steps on the papers for my sponsor. And I just started getting into the writing and the writing wouldn't stop in the writing. And then, and then I had these, these yellow pads just filled up all around my bed. And I kept going and they were just growing, you know? How can I blame you when I had the Coke in my pocket? So they teach you how to rethink, restructure your brain cells. They really do. Yeah. And in that time where you were dabbling in drugs and alcohol, like,

did it affect your career or did it help it because you got to go out and network with people and messo mezzo yeah you know i knew enough i knew enough when to stop and when to clean up it wasn't like i had like like gee i had the problem of heroin i didn't have a straw of like coke around me nose morning right right it was um party drug yeah i was able just to be uh careful with it i did all these things before i got to yes america's next top model i mean you were the most established model in the world like you were the most established model in the world like you you have done it all. Pretty much.

Yeah. Yeah. So what made you want to go on reality television? Money. Thank you for the honesty. Yes. Did they offer you a good amount? They did.

Yeah, good. They did. I've done every reality show on Earth except for the... I've done The Bachelor. I was like teaching models how to walk. Oh, I do remember that. I actually know that you say that. Oh, I do remember that.

That was fun. There were nice people. Yeah. Oh, they're amazing. Very nice people. Yeah. What other reality TV did you do? Celebrity Rehab.

Yes. Surreal. Celebrity Big Brother Oh, yes I'm a celebrity Get Me Out of here Yes, that's what I was thinking I did that three times

Twice for the British I just recently did it back in September of last year Yeah What was your favorite? I would have to say America's Next Top Model Because we traveled

We went to beautiful Beautiful faraway places Yes And did I know you and Tyre used to Not get along or something But now you do Well no she's not a friendly lady Oh yeah

She's living I don't know where she's living in New York or Well, I thought, it doesn't her boyfriend or something Live in Montreal? She, I was on Dancing with the Stars And she was the host. Well, yeah. Was she nice to you? No. She didn't. I mean, she did make one phone call to me and it was really nice, but then otherwise

I didn't talk to her, but. You're too beautiful for her. Oh. She does not like beautiful women like you guys. That's too bad. So what was it like working with her then? Well, I just tortured her. Because if she was going to be mean to the girls And I saw her ploy.

Yeah. You know, just so I could remain under the radar. Yeah. I would tell her things like, I did vote, you did Elle, you know. And that was like, while you guys were all sitting together. She was always like keeping us waiting for hours and hours. Cape Town South Africa with no air conditioning. It was like, God.

How did she get away with all that? It was her show. Oh. Was she like a producer and stuff on it as well? She was the EP. Okay. Got it. That makes sense.

She claimed she created it, but she did not. I met the guy who created it. So did you ever suffer from like body dysmorphia? I have it now. I mean, it stays with you for life. Yeah. It never goes away. Yeah.

Have you seen a change in the model industry? Like with body types? I have to tell you that I watched the Met Gala. Yeah, yeah. And I saw Ashley Graham on the stairs. Yes. She's stunning. And she moved like I used to.

Yeah. She was just... Yeah, she gets it. She's it. You know, she would just... You know, she had these movements. And I was like, oh, my goodness, I have been so narrow-minded. I've never even looked at a lot of photographs of her.

Yeah. Oh, she's incredible. She was gorgeous. The way she modeled, she was modeling on the stairs of photographers. It was amazing. I just love her, and I think she's an incredible human. and mother and everything that she does is amazing. Do you have children?

I don't, but I want them. You do. You're too young. I'm 38. 38? Let's see, I was 32 when I had Nathan, and I was 39 when I had Savy. Oh, okay. So, see, I feel like I could have them in the next two years.

You should just freeze them. Oh, I did. Good. Yeah. What's your favorite thing about motherhood and your least favorite thing? Yeah. My favorite thing about motherhood is just... But I see my son with my grandson, who's a year old, Leo, and his own.

and his wife Carly and I see this this microcosm of a life that he's built he built his house and he you know he's producing his own shows and he's doing things and I just go back and I remember there was a divorce when he was six which I regret that's the biggest thing I regret in my life is the divorce yes because it did a number on his head he wanted his mommy and daddy to get together yeah what's the best thing about motherhood is There's so much. Yeah. All of it.

Except delivery. There's the worst part of it. That epiziotomy was not nice. Oh, my goodness. What does that mean? They cut you. They cut the gash. Oh.

They cut the gash down there in the gash. And then sew it back up after? Yes. In micro-needling. Oh, Lord. And it's, well, you don't feel it. Oh. Because you're, you've just had.

This child, your whole of your child will live. Right, right. You just feel everything. You don't feel that specifically. Yeah, that's, oh my gosh. One of my girlfriends told me that her husband, one of his favorite memories is when she was giving birth and she was so animalistic and he was like turned on by her and then she was holding the baby after and he said she was so nonchalant.

Her legs were in the air and they were stitching her back up and she was just holding her back and he was like turned on by it. Yeah, he must be a real guy then. Yeah, he is. Not turned off by. No, he was. Turn on. Not turned up by a little blood and goo.

Yeah. After your wife just brings your child into this world. Like, he was like, that is awesome. Is he a doctor? No. Okay. The hockey coach. It's a hockey coach.

She should hang on to him. Oh, yeah. They have two kids. They've got the healthiest marriage. They're amazing. That's so nice. I look up to them so much. Yeah, they're amazing.

That's, well, also, you can't blame yourself for the divorce because sometimes growing up to see mom and dad not happy can do something on a a kid too, you know. Well, he was picking on me, my ex-husband. He was always pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick, and I was like, would you just stop? And that was that the second one? That was the second one. Yeah, and then how did you meet yours now?

The third one was this super rich guy who gave me a 32-carat diamond ring. Oh! And I was like, wow. I was like wearing it to the car wash. You know, it was like just wearing it, you know, driving, driving

my range. Here I am. But he turned into a Coke addict drunk on tequila every night. While you were sober? Yes, while I met him. And in the first 11 months of our marriage, that was about it. Yeah. He pulled the gun on me one night. No.

Wanting to know how many men that I'd slept with. Sir. He locked me in a closet on Malibu Beach. And so I said, Karen. Sanders. Let's see. President Justin Trudeau of Canada.

Yeah. More, more. I was finding these eclectic people. Obsessed. I don't think body counts ever a great question. I don't think there's no benefit to answer. No.

But I love that you answered. Oh, yeah. I gave them back a nice little pad. You know, I just put all the A-list actors in Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah. Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, you know, all these young guys.

Did you guys sleep with Brad Pitt? Tell me everything. Oh, damn. No. Okay. Oh, you were just telling you. I was saying it to him. Yeah.

Wait, and so he had a gun to you? He put a gun to my head and just, you know, cocked it. And I was like, were you terrified? I was so scared that I said, okay, okay, I'll write you your list. I'll do it. Where should I write it? Go to the closet. And he locked me in, and I was like, and I saw the same.

He was safe. He had this safe. He was really rich. And he had like all this coke and stacks of a hundred dollar bills. He on a nightclub called The Gate. Back in the 90s, it was really, really successful. But he came from big money from racetrack. Oh, my. Gosh. And so did you leave him after that? Oh, yes. I got in that next morning. I picked the lock with a knife. Got the gun. You were still locked in the closet? Yeah. I was there all night. What the heck? And it was terrifying. Well, no kidding. This is terrifying. And you don't know what, so you picked the lock, you got out. Do these men trick you so much at the beginning that they seem like these, like, are they like a master manipulator, love bombers? Yes.

How do you, so how do someone spot them? Like, how would you say, is there something that you can look back at now and be like, that is a love bomber. Stay away. What's the red flags? I think, you know them. I think when you catch them in lies. You catch them in lies. You see they're drinking a whole lot of vodka, knocking back shots of tequila and doing lines of coke, right in front of everybody.

Yeah, that's pretty red flaggy. I was like, this is not what I signed up for. Well, and you've already been through that. And I had two kids already, two young children. Yeah. And you had said earlier, you weren't a cheater until you were, and that's when you were kind of in the drugs and alcohol. So then you know that space all too well to see all the signs of it as well. But I wasn't cheating on him, although Matthew McConaughey, no, it was Bradley Cooper in the gym.

Bradley Cooper hit on me and said, where do you live? I was like doing all these stretches. I was really limber. You're like, your legs up here. I was going, 9, 2, 6. I can. I'm loyal. Did you do?

Deed is thanking you. You know how stressful packing for a trip can be? Nothing seems to fit. Everything's worn out. Who do you look at and go, they're the, like, most handsome celebrity I've ever seen? I didn't think Tom Brady was that hot. Oh, me either. I agree.

You know, did he have surgery? I think so. Did he? They've been, that was in the roast that just came out. Yeah, the roast. The roast I saw every second of it, and there was a female comedian. What was her name? It's so funny.

Gotta get her on your show. I've had her on twice. I've had her on twice. Where does she live? I love her. I love her so much. So her and I became friends because she was on one of my dates on the Bachelorette.

No. Yeah, so I've been friends out there for like eight years now. And she's amazing. She's also the sweetest human you've ever met. She is just so challenging. Have you ever been roasted? No. Oh.

I could take it. I think you could take it for sure. There's a lot of, could you be roasted? No. No. What sign are you? I'm a Leo, but I'm... No, Leo's can't be.

Yeah. I'm too sensitive. Wait, what are you again? Aquarius. Aquarius. So can Aquarius take it? I'm a Gemini. We're compatible.

We're all compatible. Really? Aquarius can take it Jim and I can take it but I'm cancer cancer No you can't know So sensitive I could probably take it in the moment

And then I go home and cry about it Yeah You'd be there for her Have you always been into astrology And signs and stuff? Oh when I was growing up in Florida My best friend Is that where you grew up Florida?

Yes Hollywood Florida From Hollywood to Hollywood Oh interesting Hollywood Florida where's that It's in between Miami and Fort Lauderdale Okay Right the middle And when did you move?

So then New York and then you went to Hollywood. Then I want to write to New York. What is it like your, like when you look back on your career, you've done so much. What are like three things that stand out to you where you're like, I freaking did that? All the Vogue covers. Yeah. I mean, that's iconic. Especially working for Vogue before Anna Winter got there.

And then after, you know, she still had to hire me because I was still hot. Yeah. So you are still hot. Google old pictures. You'll see what heat looks like. I know all of your phases of life, and I think you're always beautiful. You're sweet. I also love how much you're just a firecracker, and I love an honest firecracker.

Thank you. Yeah. No, you're... You too. You're just a real one. You know what I mean? What point in your career were you like, I'm going to start getting surgery done? Oh, gosh.

I was dating Sylvester Stallone, and I was 32. Yeah. And I noticed, I started getting the job. from from this bit yeah right now yeah that's yeah thank you pardon we're we're just like that get it get a mini facelift get a mini face lift get a mini face lift yeah it kept me going yeah up until last week and I started doing all these these uh I did smoke for a bit well that's one thing I've never done no no no no no I don't smoke it's bad for you yeah it is bad for you is there any surgeries you regret oh no no no I love that no no no regrets no no I don't I love no no I

I've just, I've done Botoxin filler, but I mean, you bet your bottom dollar I'll be getting a facelift at one point in my life. Well, you have, you have years to go dear. Oh, yeah. No, I'm good right now. I survived breast cancer, and that was, uh, you did? That was kind of, wow, difficult. It was really difficult.

That's why I'm involved in breast cancer and. Incredible. Good for you. I'm glad that you survived it. The pink month. And they left my right boob kind of like, it's kind of like, this one looks really good. Did you have a mastectomy? Or did you know, no, no, no, it was, they caught it.

Amazing. In the early stages, and I had radiation. Oh, wow. So did you have to, forgive me for my lack of knowledge? No, it's okay. But did you have to, like, lose hair and go through? No, no, no, no, chemotherapy makes you lose hair. Okay, so radiology is different.

Body hair. Yeah. And it just makes, I mean, poor Princess Kate. Oh, my gosh. She's going through. No, I know. She's so thin and, like, gorgeous. I know.

I just, I mean, I can't imagine that happening to anyone. It's just got to be, I can't, so you caught it early enough. This is how my husband helped me with my brain catching it. Yeah. He said, this does not define you. Oh, yeah. This does not divine you. Yeah.

You survived your father. You survived scuba diving, seeing sharks. You survived all those guys you dated and hated. You survived life. You're a winner. And I was like, But you are. You know, every day it got better.

Yeah. It got better and better. Then I started going to UCLA and going there early to make the people in the cancer units laugh. Really? Yeah. You were there. You end up going there to be the entertainer. Yes.

That's amazing. Yeah. They're so, I mean, some of them really have bad cancers. Oh, that's just, I mean, I just can't even. Yeah. My eyes and the skulls. Oh, my gosh. Cancer eats the body.

up. Yeah. That's amazing that you'd go in for entertainment and make people laugh. I really think that those fake sugars did it to me. The equal and the other one. The blue one. The equalness splendor. Yeah. You think that's what did it. I really think because I used to put those in my iced teas and my English breakfast teas. What does a day in the life of Janus look like now? It's so great. I've been married to this retired psychiatrist, psychopharmacologist, neuropsychiatrist, who was a professor at UCLA. How fascinating. I met him about 12 years ago. We've been together ever since. Yeah. Now is that hard

to not have him do therapy for you? Like if I was with a therapist and they were parapizing me, I think I'd be like, stop! But is it just helpful? No, I just tell him, shut up. Good. And he is like, okay. I always turn it around. I'm

Therapize you. Yeah. You're like, life experience. I love that. And so what's next for you? You're working on music? You're being a pop star at 69. I'm so proud of you. I love the music bit. I seriously love it. Tell me why. How? I wrote like seven songs and my choreographer slash record producer wrote the other seven. And we just went. You wrote some of that? Yes. And we went into the studio and we went down to Pride and I sang live at Pride and live at Hamburger Mary's. Oh, I love hamburger. You're talking about my places. I know, I love those places, too.

Hamburger Mary's in Long Beach. Oh, my God. Do Weho, I'll come. Yeah. Okay. Please. I will. I promise.

Oh, how fun. That would be iconic. I already know my next album will be like, I love Beyonce. I'm going to do a Western album. Yes. Country, Western. You should do, because, you know, the famous song, she's a super freak. Super freak.

She's super freaky. What? It's about you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. I've always said I want a song to be written about me. Yeah, Rick James told you, right, that he wrote about you.

How do you know? I do my research. Imagine? That's incredible. One of the biggest, most iconic songs being written about you? How about a man eater? Is that about you? Shut up.

We all lived in a microcosm of New York City back in the late 70s. Paula Nodes were always at this restaurant, Mary Looze. There was like just actors. Bruce Willis I dated. Mac Jagger I dated. Dang. You know, it was like, I just, you know, that's when I started to become the playa. You know, I love it.

You know, I got really hurt by my first husband. So I was just going to, I was going to stay along, you know, just do you think? That's, I cannot wait to read your book. You have to. I literally have to. There's three. There's no lifeguard on duty. Everything about me is fake and imperfect. And check please.

Dating, mating, extricating, how to have the maximum amount of fun on a date with a amount of pain. Oh, tell us more. Yeah, what? What is like your biggest advice there? I hate a first date. Yeah.

You have to have money in your back pocket when you go on a first, a blind date or a first date. What do you mean? Because if the, if the guy is dull, and you don't want to just be straight up and say, this isn't working for me and just get up and leave. Yeah. Just go out the back door and hail an Uber. Ghost. My favorite, too, is when we laugh so hard.

And you go, what? Yeah. Do it. Yeah. That's amazing. Just go out the back door. Have you had bad dates? Yeah, I've had a few bad dates. But I've also, because I was back-to-back engaged, I'm, like, new in the dating world now. So I'm, like, scared. I don't blame you. It's scary out there. Yeah. I mean, all the stories that I hear and everything, I'm like, okay, but go out the back door. Wait, what was the second book? Everything about me is fake and I'm perfect.

Now tell me more about that. That's about the plastic surgeries. Okay. And, you know, most young girls in the 20s and 30s look to Vogue, you know, and look to these magazines, the Angelina Jolie's, and like to see all of the photo retouching and the Botox she's had and the mini facelifts she's had, but she doesn't talk about it. Right.

And it's like I've had my teeth done. I've had my face left when I was 32. I had my breast done and a tummy tuck. I'm perfect. I love you so much. People love that title when I did some, I think I did the voice. Yeah. And I was telling everything.

I was just lamboyant like this. And I had, yes, I had my facelift, my forehead done, the eyes, my breast. My, you know, after my children, I had a tummy talk. Yes. And Barbara Walters was just going. Oh, Barbara. R.A.P. She had recipes.

Oh, my gosh. She just thought I was from outer space. Yeah, but I love an alien. Like, I love them. But everybody loved the title of the book. Yes, of course. I love that you have three books, too. And now you're writing music.

I'm writing a fourth book. Do you have the title? No. We pick up the story from the bad lands of L.A. all the way from T.J., boy, she had a price on her head. She was rocking in a reeling with a whole lot of feeling. and she was knocking every young boy dead. I'm going to write, like, the beginnings of the chapters.

There'll be songs. Yes. I mean, you are so creative and, like, your career is so impressive, but you just, I love that you just don't stop. You have to write a book. Oh, I'm... She will. She will.

I will. All you do is write every day at the end of the day. Just write what you did today. Yeah. You know. I should have done that through my 20s. That, you should have, could have would have, Waukiki. I'm in my 60s.

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You were married at the time and got casted for the movie Pretty Woman. Yes. What? Yes, with Julie Robbins, obviously, but you end up not doing it because of your father? Well, I, that's got to be another regret in your career. Oh, it was. It was. I couldn't take, I could take everything about acting. I wasn't a good memorizer. Yeah. I just couldn't get these little pages and pages of monologues. I just, I couldn't do it. Yeah. I was, I probably have ADHD. AdH. Adh. C. Yes, too, sister.

Yeah. Yes. I have that. I was probably dysfunctional. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I couldn't take the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. your director last moment thing. Yeah. Where they pick. Yeah. That one or that one. Yeah.

You know, because I was, I was good. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's still iconic that they wanted you for it. Why don't you act? You have this face. Why are you wasting it? I'm on camera right now.

Hi, mom. Hi, Mom. I feel like your star quality is being yourself. Yeah, I don't think I could act. I could be myself on a show maybe, but I could never act. I feel like that's... Okay, your next step from this podcast, she'll be a talk show, your own talk show. I would love that.

You would be genius on that. I would absolutely love that. Your energy is just like out there and you bring out the good in people. Oh, that is so nice. Thank you. I mean, I love interviewing people and I love having different conversations and learning about what people have gone through in their life and why they are the way they are. And I just love it.

I love it. I feel like I would love my own show. But the only thing is cable's like a dying breed. Do people still watch cable TV? Maybe I need like a Netflix special. Yeah, you need to go Go ahead of Netflix Oh, okay, who's that?

I don't know Who's Dick? Do I gotta suck? I'm doing it. I'll do it for you. Yeah, yeah. We'll have a model go see on your next podcast.

I'm just going to learn. You, you, you, you, you. Drop to trial and go over Netflix. Knock on the door and say Caitlin Bristow sent me. That'd be funny. I love that. I love that.

Well, friggin, good luck with this next chapter of music I'm like I can't wait to listen even just all the bars you just dropped I'm like that's awesome no that's so great can do you have a music video like are you going to do a video it's bad it's bad I've got to do another one you already because I let I let by queens do it and they made it so queenie oh I made it so drag yeah and I'm Janice Tickinson dragola you know we love the queens yeah but we love the queens I just did tonight with Simone's podcast amazing she She is rad.

Really? Rupal's... Yeah. Producing this one. She has an afro out to here. Amazing. It's like... It's really such an art.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And her makeup just goes... Wow. You know, they look so beautiful when they're in their 20s. Yeah. Well, what do I do? I'm about to turn 40.

I'm 38. Don't tell anybody. Just go and do it. Oh, okay. You could do it. Okay. Do you have a doctor that I could go see? For what?

Oh. I thought you were saying go do it like a facelift. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you can use your feminine ire and your ways and go knock on Brad Pitt's production company store. My friend's working with Brad Pitt right now. Hala. With all these people like models, like you. No, but you're...

So what? Oh, I don't know. Bring some dictionaries to stand on. No, but it's dictionary specifically. Not phone books. I'm a smart girl. That's amazing. What do you think is the best, best, the biggest misconception about you?

That I mean from America's Next Top Model that I'm nasty and mean and I put people down. And I don't. Yeah. I don't. Why is that their misconception? Because they're, you know how the haters work on the computers? Yeah, I do. You know, I have a TikTok that I judge models walks.

Yes. And that's lots of fun for me to do. That's awesome. And, you know, I do all these talk shows, and they, Cameron Hall, I just did in New York, you know, and she let me sing. And it was great. She was wonderful. And the audience went crazy. They liked me live.

People love you. And if they don't, it's because they, but in person, they would be like, I love you. Yeah. But then then the haters, the hater person will go back and write. Exactly. Here, you wrinkly old prune, you know. God. Do you let that get to you?

Oh, no. Okay, good. No, I don't read them. Okay, good. I can't see you letting that get to you and not even partaking in your own abuse online. You're such a confident queen. Like, what would be, because I feel like a lot of people struggle with confidence and you've obviously been through a lot of like feedback or critique or whatever you want to call it over the years.

Like what would be something you would tell a woman struggling with her confidence? Be kind. Be kind to yourself. Yeah. You be kind to yourself. I try. It's hard when we're. when you grow up in ballet.

Yeah. It's really hard to break that death cycle. Yeah. Yeah. You can't walk by a mirror with a suck it in and it's getting up straight. It's like crazy town. Oh my gosh. It really is.

That ballet, my whole life was such a mindful. My mom was a professional ballerina. Oh, she was. That's even worse. Yes. And so she struggled with it. So it was just, yeah, very much. I mean, now I've been doing therapy for like 13 years on it.

So I'm getting better. And I am getting kinder to myself. But I do think that's important for self-confidence is how you talk to yourself. Yeah, be kind to yourself. Yeah. You know. What's your favorite show on TV? Oh.

Fraders? No, I re-watch a lot of shows because I like comfort shows. Me too. Yeah, I like friends. Vampire Diaries. You do? I love suits. Oh, suits is good.

Suits is good. That attorney. Harvey Specter. Missed. Missed that one. Yeah. Damn it. There's still time.

No, just kidding. Never. Suits. Yeah, okay. He is hot. I just finished it, I think, for the third time. Really? Straight.

My husband comes in and I, give me the clicker. Nope. That's breaking bad for me. I've watched it three times. It's so good. It's so good. Can you tell everybody where they can buy your books and listen to your music and do everything?

Well, they can go on Amazon. Yeah. And they can go on Spotify for the music. Oh, I can't wait to listen. Yeah. And read your book. It's dance music. Dance music.

Well, we love dancing. I love to go dancing. Oh, me too. Better go to Hamburger Marys and WeHo. Yes. Oh, so much. Yeah, I love it. Wait, so I was on Dancing with the Stars, and so I went out.

How did you do? I won. You did? Congratulations. I'm so sorry. I should know these things. You shouldn't? I should have Googled it about you. Oh, my gosh.

No, no, no. Are you kidding me? No. Congratulations. Thank you. I have no balance. Oh, well. Yeah.

You need it for that show. I know. But all the dancers would take me out in L.A. and we would go to these salsa clubs like underground salsa clubs and just dance and it was so much fun do you have a spot in L.A. you like to go to dance? No. Oh, well.

We'll go someday. Yeah. We'll go. No, it's so fun because the men are not creepy. They actually just want to dance and they will help you do all of the moves and then they'll go back to their corner and they won't bother you like they're respectful and they just are there to salsa. Really? Do you go with her?

No. Oh, you should. She's holding out on me. I'm worried. I can't wear heels anymore. We're flats. Yeah. I'll have to get a little dance-key shoe. Yeah, like a little theater show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This has been fun. Oh, good. It's been fun. What else do you want to know? Everything. Everything. I want to know like the crazy. Who do I think is the most handsome guy out there on screen?

I like that Hemsworth. Oh, he's in my top two for sure. Which one? Chris or Liam? Chris. Chris. Yeah. The one that's in this month's been an affair.

I read that. I read that like the Bible. I like Brad Pitt. Yeah, I love Brad Pitt. He keeps getting better. He does keep getting better. Doesn't he? Some model.

They're all from Russia. Wait, what is your take on like Instagram models now? Are you like, you don't get it? No, they don't get it. Yeah. They don't get it. Yeah. Yeah, it's now they just get to filter.

But Anna Winter of American Vogue, she likes the followers of Kendall Jenner, 400 million. Yeah, no show. What are your thoughts on the Met Gallagal, like having Emma? Chamberlain and Kendall Jenner and like all of these. Well, they have $75,000 for a ticket. Yeah. And that's bringing so many more eyeballs to it because of their followers. Yeah.

It's become like a, it's a hangout for influencers. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. My last question, what was your rock bottom moment that was like a really big pivotal moment in your life where you're like, you know, I, mine was, I got addicted to Valium.

I was going through a hard time with a heartbreak. I wanted to die. Like it was literally rock bottom, but it was the trajectory of my life that sent me into where I am now. Do you have one of those moments? I have had several. Yeah. You know, when Mick Jagger dumped me. Yeah.

That was like really hard. Oh. It was really hard. He said, you're crazy. I said, I'm crazy. He said, you're crazy. I hate that. But he said, like, he's English.

You cry. You're crazy. Oh, my gosh. Have you ever heard that Taylor's a song? And she goes, every time you call me crazy, I get more crazy. So how about that? I love her. Yeah, me too.

Bomb. She is. She is. an absolute queen. She's so brilliant. Do you think it's going to be long term this Kelsey thing? Yes. I do. At first I was like, okay, this is, I don't

know, you probably know Hollywood better than most people, but like, is it like publicity? Do people do those relationships just for, to get people talking? I think in the beginning they do. Yeah. And then if it lasts a certain time, then you're like, oh, this is the real deal. I think it's the real deal now. Yes. I think he's the first guy who can publicly

hold his own because his career is so He's got dough. He's best of what he does. And he, like, bows down to her. Yeah. They're so cute. And she's like, they're cute. Do you like them? Maybe she bows down to him in private.

Hey, hey, oh, for sure she does. I really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much for having me on your show, girls. Yeah, of course. Thank you for coming. It was, I was like, oh, God, this is huge. I just, I respect you and I love you. Thank you.

Yeah, you're amazing. Well, we'll do it again soon. Okay, I'll come on your podcast. Fine. Thank you for asking. Please come on my podcast. Bring everyone. I'll bring ramen too.

I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.