Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Jeannie Mai

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

E! red carpet correspondent, Emmy-award winning co-host, fashion expert, podcaster AND fellow contestant on DWTS, Jeannie Mai is joining Kaitlyn on the show this week! Jeannie tells Kaitlyn about finding out she had epiglottis while on DWTS and eventually having to drop out because it nearly killed her! Later, Jeannie explains that her family helped house immigrants from Vietnam when she was young and how it shaped her into the person she is today before discussing the incredible work she does to help put a stop to human trafficking. GEICO - Go to geico.com , and in fifteen minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance CALDREA - Get free shipping on orders of $50 or more when you buy online at Caldrea.com  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Caitlin is creating a space where girls and gents can feel empowered to be themselves. Get ready for lots of laughs tabby topics on filtered advice and wine. Lots of wine. Get ready to shake things up. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host Caitlin Bristow today on the podcast. I have someone who has such an incredible career, relationship, just outlook on life in general.

She's amazing. I really enjoy her just having her as a friend. She's a podcaster, TV personality, E, red carpet correspondent, Emmy Award winning co-host who you've seen on The Makeover show, How Do I Look? And the daytime talk show The Real. She's also a fashionista who is always sharing amazing tips and tricks on Entertainment Tonight, Extra Insider, Today, and more. Plus, you may have seen her on The Seasons Dancing with the Stars with me, who I seriously think would have been in the finals if she didn't have to so suddenly leave to take care of her health, which we talk about today. That being said, she's feeling better. I'm so excited chat with her. And then I'm also going to be on her podcast, Listen, Honey. I hope you enjoy this podcast with Jeannie Mai. All right, you're unique, and so are your taxes. TurboTax Live has experienced tax experts who listen to you, learn about your unique tax situations, and answer your questions. And on top of all of that, they can do your taxes from start to finish. Maybe you started investing and you want some reassurance from an expert that you're doing things right. Maybe you're now self-employed and need some expert advice on what qualifies as a home office deduction.

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I mean, I'm alive. What the actual fuck? Okay, I don't know. I've been so freaking careful. How? how is it? I mean, I read your, I know as much as your fans.

So, but how is it that after we've been so careful, I know. We literally were in cubicles in the whole season, that you have to fuck it up and get COVID after. And by the way, there's this thing that my mom says, Mama Mai,

every time life does you wrong, you kind of low-key deserve it. So she always says, that's the God punish you. Oh! So that's the God punish you for winning that mirror ball, bitch. You know what? I'll take it. It's funny because I actually agree with that. I always think when something good happens, I'm like, oh, God, what's coming up? Because this means like, or if something

that happens, it can go the other way. Like, if something bad happens, I'm like, I must, something good must be coming my way. Because there's this, there's this pastor that I used to love listening to. Her name is Joyce Meyer. Yeah. She's, she's, she's older. She's like more old school. She's got the, um, Johnny Kate plus eight haircut. She's not a Karen, but she's like a super Christian. I love the stuff she says. And she always would say, new level, new devil. If you get promoted in life and something new happens to you, be prepared because the devil's coming for you. So I know. I'm like, I fully believe that. That's, wait, say that again. What is it? New level, new devil. So when you are, and it's actually here we're making a joke about it because

you're okay. I'm glad to see your bright. The skin is glowing. You look like you've listed today. This is good. But, um, in, life whenever you you reach a new you know a new level in your life whether it's a promotion in your job or maybe you've come into a greater amount of money that you now have to be responsible for there is a new devil and with that comes you know greater responsibility and and fill in the blank so being aware of that keeps you humble and keeps you like you know ward it up to make sure that you you protect yourself and you make the right choices and all that good stuff yeah winning the gave you COVID, so.

You know what? And that's, it sounds scary and it is, but also like good things and bad things happen in life. Right, right. What was it that, what did you do in life to deserve your throat surgery? Okay, so that's the one that I'm still waiting on. If I'm so honest with you, my epiglottitis, there's a word for it, people. What is it?

By the way, there's, okay, I'm that person that every time I see like a health ad on TV or or like a new medication that's going on. You know the fine print on the bottom that tells you like on and on, you may receive hair loss, you know, 10,000, you know, one to 12 Americans may receive this or whatever. It's like the crazy, you know, fine print at the bottom. 20,000 people in the world annually get epilocotitis.

Oh. I'm one of them. In seven billion people, 20,000. That's a pinprick. And I got it. And so I still, I've asked God so many times, I'm like, we're gay, man. Like, why?

What did I do? And I've looked at, I mean, like, the jerky things that I've done in the past quarantine year would be maybe I cut somebody off in line because I really wanted to not breathe in anybody else's air. Or maybe I might have hogged more of the side of the bed than my fiancee. Like, there's little things. I don't think it amounts to throat surgery. So I still don't know, Caitlin. If you know, please tell me. Yeah, I don't.

I just feel like maybe you have something really big that's going to happen. And then you'll be like, oh, and I don't know. I don't know what that reason would be or what it is. But I don't think that was very fair because, well, you were the one in my opinion to beat on dancing with the stars. And I told you that when you came up on the first dance, I didn't know what to expect from anybody on night one. Like we're all seeing everyone that we all know everybody's worked so hard. And we're all seen everybody's like level of dancing on night one for the first time. When we went into dress rehearsal, I was like, she's the one to beat.

I went out of here. Come on. Where on every fancy fingers? Are you really going to go there right now? Ask Jason, my boyfriend, I told him. I said you were the one that was going to be because you are very lovable. You're very like you want to root for you. You're just like this sparkling personality.

And you just were always like, like it was a bucket list thing for you. you could tell you wanted to be there also you did and you just had this like joy on your face while you were doing it and you were good you were really good and brandon made it has really good choreography and you guys were really fun to watch he you guys were doing the list and you had lots of good choreography and the first time ever watched you came back up and i said because you were in the little pod beside me and i said okay you're my favorite one to watch you know what wait katelyn you did say that. I did. I actually remember that now. You did say that and I didn't, I did not remember. Yeah. But now I do. And I, I, I really appreciate that. No, that means a lot because for anybody out there who,

obviously, now that we know the end result, you can only imagine, for me, you, okay, my first impression, I love first impressions. So when I first saw you, I remember you had your hair beautifully clothed. You have that perfect model face and figure where it looks like you don't have split ends. You always wax on time. Pay your credit bills on time. You look like you're good. You look like you have like a couple different flat irons options available

because I'm the type that might have a crusty one from Conair that I've had since high school. No, you look like you just have it together. And I'll never forget when I first met you, I'm like, looking around, I'm like, okay, who's sitting around us, you know? and you were seated with your hands class this is your thing you sit at your chair I wish people could see me

and you're like really oh you're so like it's interesting because after I got to know you I thought you were just like mild mannered sweet innocent and then when I started reading your gram

and I started like getting to know your personality when I would be me and Brandon would be naughty around you guys Then I was like, oh, okay, she's got it. She's got some sass in her. So you were always this. But then when you went out to the dance floor, I remember gawking at you. I literally, I remember the producer telling me, like, Jeannie, lean back over the stairwell.

You could fall. And I was like, oh, okay, because I was so over, like, watching you. And what I think mesmerized me most, besides your poise, because you're already, you've got that elegant, like, everything looks liquid. but I learned that the true art to dancing besides nailing the move is getting the fucking fingers right no because Derek said it everybody said it

you could dance and kill it like in the chest in the hips everything but if your fingers are looking like this at the end like some scary like Halloween tree ranch they know you can't dance like a guy on scary movie when he's like use my strong hand Yes, yes.

But the more you can, I can't even do it. But Caitlin has this like everything, everything Caitlin does is, it's just, and so. Because Artem hounded me for that. Because of that, everything you did was so beautiful because it completed. Even if you womped over here somewhere, your finger would finish it so eloquently that it looks like, oh, yeah, that's what she meant to do. You know, so. Well, thanks for saying that, but this, you can take all of this and then apply. it when you have to go on the show again have you i mean i'm sure you've thought about it everyone i

said on my instagram like what questions would you want to ask and everyone's like when is she going to get the opportunity to go on again because you really should really should be able to do it again and would you want to because now you had a little taste of how hard it is yeah to do it again you know um well first of all a katelyn's fan so nice to meet you hi everybody i love her too thank you for watching and voting for us by the way that's like a whole that's like that's like that's like a real thing i've never in my life asked people to do anything for me like the last time i asked somebody was to i think i think i think i think i asked somebody to pretend call me so i could get out of a bad date

that was like the last time i asked people to do something because i don't like to ask people to do things but begging people to vote every week is very humbling after a while you don't keep a fuck you're just like you know people tell you on the screen like oh my god i love you i watch you on dance with stars you're like nice did you vote your boyfriend's phone did you get online an email from your hotline email like you know like your hotmail you know like did you really um i i i i i love it but it was such hard work i don't know if i could go through it again and honestly katelyn this is going to be like sad sam here i was really depressed when i got off of it. I really was because, I mean, only imagine if thank God you didn't have COVID when you

were just, you know, you went all the way to the end. But for me, making it past the first one was like it was beyond unbelievable for me. And I was having such a good time. And like you, we put ourselves so much into it. So when you get removed for completely a reason that you, you did not wish upon, you did not want it just i was sad i was sad me and brandon were like we just it was hard to take for a while i mean there was there was moments after where when i got sick and i knew i had to go through surgery we actually were kind of scheming away where i could lie to my doctor and just kind of say i'll meet you at er and then go to practice like i really i really was thinking about sorry i said i believe that because you guys well like i said like you were really

fun to watch. I feel like you had a really good partnership. And it was one of those things where it wasn't like, okay, you tried and the judges said no or people didn't vote. It was like people really wanted to see you every week succeed. And for you to get something like so rare and have to have like, what was the timeline? And for those who don't know, like what exactly happened in a timeline from when you found out to when you had to get surgery? Oh, okay. Okay. this will shock you so um let's see Sunday went to surgery so I would say Wednesday I felt a little sick like a like not flu just a little sore throat yeah and then I took a job and in this job I was sitting in under an air conditioning event and you know how studios can be really cold yeah

and I was wearing an evening gown to host this show yeah so the studio it was so cold and I knew it I could feel like you could just feel this is this is not making me better and so that air conditioning vent I went home and I had shivers for like the next four hours when I was going home like going home laying in bed could not get warm and you knew then I had chills right now the next morning I woke up with a throat thing yeah so I went to um I called Brandon and I said I'm not going to come in so now this is Thursday I said I'm not going to come in I think it was Thursday I'm not good with days. Let me just say it was about three days.

It was three days. So I got, so I felt the throat thing. I skipped a day. Let's say it at home. The next day got up, said I have to come to practice. So that was a Saturday, actually.

So the Saturday I came to practice. And I said all of this, I have a YouTube series called Hello Honey. And Brandon was on it. So if you guys want to see like the whole footage of me dancing with my mask, my throat, I'm keeping it quiet because I don't want to spread anything. I want to keep my mask.

I let Brandon know so that you knew, hey, I have a throat thing, but I don't know what it is. But while I'm practicing, Caitlin, I start getting fever chills, and I'm so cold in those rooms, which, you know, it's hot when you really dance, freezing, and I can't talk,

not knowing that at that point, from that day that I got a sore throat to that air conditioning event, I got, the condition became an infection. So now it's swelling up with liquid inside of my throat. It's becoming abscess, right? So I dance. I'm talking to Brandon, like, oh, they're on success.

And he's like, why are you talking like that? I'm like, it hurts. My throat hurts. But I don't know that it's an abscess. Right. So I come home that night and I cannot speak because not enough air comes up for me to talk. So I'm like, this sore throat, I keep thinking sore throat. This is too much.

It's not good. Let me write a note to my fiance to tell them I'm going to bed at 745. I'm going to bed. Please pray for me. because if I, if I can't get through this, I can't go to the camera blocking the next day, Sunday. I go to bed. I wake up, he's in bed next to me.

I wake up, not able to breathe. So I'm going, like this sound where I'm like trying to get air in. I go to take an aspirin because an aspirin helps it, you know, come down. The aspirin won't go down the hole. Oh, my gosh. That's when I really learned. I was like, oh, my God. I need to go to emergency.

Yes. So I went to the emergency room. No, I went to an urgent care. They gave me a steroid shot. I was immediately better. I was like, this is great. I'm going to practice. My manager calls me and says,

you need to go to an ear nose and throw a doctor. You can't go to urgent care. By the way, I'll tell you the learned lesson after this. I kick. I'm like, no, I don't want to. I'm so excited to go to camera blocking because that's when you know if you're on your shit or not. That's when you watch yourself over and over on your videos

and make sure you got it. And I go, okay, fine, I'll just stop by because this doctor is waiting on Sunday in an office for me, so I'll just go. Dr. Nasiri, he happens to be every artist. In fact, you should know him since you're a singer. Like, his entire walls are covered with Ariana Grande, Adele, Sierra, everybody you can think of.

So I walk in, he puts one flashlight in me, and he goes, go over to ER. your throat is closing if you do anything that raises your blood blood pressure it's going to close and you have maybe a few hours let's got to pop all this abscess because it's filling up so that's when I called Brandon and we were trying to scheme but he couldn't understand what I was saying I was like I was literally Chewbacca and him we got a sister can't let Caitlin win oh my gosh

no but really like then so I went in and so with it so you're to answer your question in the timeline, it was maybe 30 minutes, putting the flashlight in, rushing to Cedar Sinai, and then maybe two hours later, filming that thing that you guys saw when you guys announced it on Monday. We were all genuinely sad. Like I know, I've said this to tell you guys. I actually don't know. Well, I was freaking out because, okay, first of all, I thought you had COVID.

And we're like going to do the practice where it was the, like, where you're, like, everybody Yeah, you could dance against each other, like do the dance off thing. And you weren't in my group, which I'm so glad I wasn't. I did get the announcement. I had my little Latina,

my bestie over there, Justina, and was it Nellie? Yeah. Something like that. Oh, girl, I was so happy. It was like, hey, me away from Ice Pants and Caitlin. I'm good.

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personality. And when you weren't there, we were like, like, it was even just. just in the practice that we all noticed. Like, everyone's like, where is she? Because your presence was just missing. And so then people were all like hush, hush about it. Something even got around where someone told me that you said the wrong thing to somebody. And I was like, what?

What happened? Wait, I love hearing this stuff. I love how rumors start. Oh, my God. Let me be about a part of the rumor chain, please. I don't even remember who it was. It was somebody that wasn't in, like, wasn't on the, wasn't a dancer. That's the wrong thing.

I wonder what that could have been because I'm absolutely sure that I offended somebody. I'm sure that... Oh my gosh. No, it was just, you know how rumors happen. Yeah.

But what I'm saying is, I also believe, Caitlin, that rumors start from somewhere. You know what I mean? So I believe that I did probably say something and maybe that could have been a lead to a rumor. I don't know about that.

Everyone was sad. You were gone. And then I found out, who did I talk to? Oh, Alan. I was like, what happened to her? And he was like, oh, she had a throat infection. She had to get emergency surgery.

And I was like, but she's coming back, right? Like, I didn't realize you weren't coming. Yeah, yeah. But Caitlin, me too. After I came out of surgery, I was laying there and I was like, I'm going to go. And they were like, no, no, no, you're out. And you're out really for anybody who has epilocotitis.

Because this is so stupid. This is so, this shows you how stupid I am. because I thought I'm done guys like I'm good I'm good right and they were like no no no this is your only respiratory canal this is it so if this doesn't heal properly if there's any swelling it's done you can't so think about it if your finger doesn't heal you probably like you you danced on your ankle girl like when it twisted right it was something happened to it right on the first day yeah boom and you still dance on it but at the end of the day you can still breathe and your heart

is still beating so even if you have the biggest swollen ankle at the end you can still get through a little bit right you can't with this though and that's why that's why I had to oh trust me I went through legal I was like I want to be back there I did not want to quit you're such a you're such a go getter and that's

I would love to see you go back on the show but I understand that like that's it's hard that show is hard like the amount of hours it was it for you be honest from a one to ten Let's say 10 is like doing something you've never done, like, like, I don't know, going grave digging or going like deep sea diving, no, not deep sea diving. What are those people that work on that show where they, they, dangerous catch?

Is that deadliest catch? Deadliest catch. Like putting on that show, like things you've never done before. How hard was it for you since you've danced before? Everyone said that. And I'm not, I'm not kidding. I like bow down to everyone who's never danced. in their life before because I found it really hard like an eight out of ten because I haven't

really like talked too much about this but Ardham was very hard to work with in a good way like I truly believe he is he seems so nice he doesn't seem hard brandon's hard brandon's me oh my god no Ardum made fun of me and named all my stupid moves he called my feet Gus Gus from the fat, um, the fat mouse on Cinderella. Like, come on. That's like you do banter. Like, Arden would call me like amateur hour and like jazz 101 and like, he was, he's such a nice person and he has the biggest heart, but in the dance studio, that guy means business. Really? Oh my gosh. Business. Like from the time we walk into the time we're gone, it is straight. Oh, I could see that. I could see that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's,

it's just how like he was taught growing up like he was very harsh and he would say that like he would say that all the time he'd be like I know I'm really hard on you and I'd be like crying like but but it was also really hard because I think people held me to a certain standard that he was giving me really really tough choreography and I think the expectations were so high that if I didn't get something it was like frustrating to him or like I would but give me his worst like what was his worst like snap at you um oh gosh uh like i remember him telling me that a person who had never had experienced dancing could dance better than me that's me he was like he's like literally i watch this and that's this shouldn't even be a conversation somebody who's never danced could

do that and i was like crying and he was like yeah But that's just like he's a very, you know, straightforward. Wow. Yeah. And I would, I cried like almost every day. No. You, I have to be honest with you, your dancing is so beautiful. I really mean this.

It's not just, it's not just your, it's not just your nailing of the steps. It's your shapes and it's your body. Your body is made for your type of dancing. Like, you know, like there's a gracefulness and a sass. Because even when you did, remember when you did the, you guys did some pop and lock, like, break, your feet were like, yeah. When you did that, I was like, oh, so she's got swag too. So it's not, it's not just, you know, the poetic, like, graceful, soft, like, you know, ballerina style of dancing. So I really question, like, why you're not dancing, like, actually professionally, because you really are that good.

I have always loved to dance but I think it I to be honest I think the real reason I haven't is because I was told over and over and over again when I was about 20 years old that I was not good enough to be a dancer and I was told that so many times that I quit and I gave up on dance and I was like I really was not at the level that I should have been to to be a professional dancer I just wasn't and so that I think came up so much in my dancing experience on dance with the stars where I was triggered a lot with feeling insecure and not good enough because of being held to this certain standard of where I should be as a dancer. But it was really challenging like mentally and physically for me in ways that I did not think it would be. I really did think I would go in there and just have a blast for all these hours and like, you know, walk out of it being like, woo, I can dance. But it was really challenging. I wanted to ask you too because so many people did think I have had an advantage because of my dance background. I mean, Neve kind of as well.

But in this type of show where it's literally a voting show, you had more followers in me on Instagram. Like, do you think everyone had a different advantage when it came to that show, given the fact that, you know, like Nelly, look at Nellie, he was so entertaining to watch. Could he dance? I mean, yeah, but not really in the ways that like ballroom style and what they were looking for.

But he always had the votes every week because he was, He's Millie. And he's a ward. He's Millie. Exactly. He's freaking me. So I'm like, do you think everyone had a different advantage to bring? Do you think, do you think that my dancing really did give me an advantage over other people?

Yes. I do think the voting kicks it off hard, but let's be honest. I know you and I were both surprised when Sky got eliminated. Like I was shocked, right? But then I started noticing something for me. My eye, first night. I watch everybody. I thought everybody was good.

As soon as first night happened, first week, I was like, oh, wait, everybody's really good. I mean, Carol Baskin, okay, we wouldn't know what that is, right? Charles even, like, that was really a struggle to watch because he's so sweet and he's such a stupid guy. But you could tell, like, you know, like, okay, only the strongest survive type thing. Right. And, but then by week, I don't know, six, by week five or six,

I started to notice, I really want to watch people who give me the emotion and give me the, like, I think everybody votes for different reasons, you know? Some people will vote because you're meticulously like, are you really dancing? And some people will vote because of a vibe. And Nellie gave vibe. He always gave up. Sure, he had his, like, signature swivel hips move. Yeah. I mean, he swivel hips, so why wouldn't you young swivel?

But then Justina also gave this, like, she looked joyful. even with freaking Sasha running around and spandex leotard with his fruits and berries all out she was like yes and I was like oh my God she's really feeling it and I think that's probably why some people enjoyed my dancing

is because I really was into it like I really loved it and I think something kicked in you midway through where I even saw for you Caitlin like you always had the moves the poise the steps but after the bridge

performance for you. That's when I was like, oh, like now I'm seeing more of Caitlin, which we know as your personality, people who watch your, or listen to your podcast and watch your Graham and watch you in all of your other productions, they know that you're sassy, you're fun, you're quirky, all these things. But on the dance floor, you can only be great, perfect dancer. Then after some point, we started to see, oh, there's a pizzazz, there's a sass, even, I'm going to tell you this. If I, like, if we were on the phone while you, you know, if we were talking while you were going through your weeks. I just couldn't talk at the time, but I would have like, I languageed you or something. You could even see your personality after you and

Carrie Ann had your exchange. Like, because at a certain point, you were like, no, I don't stand for this and I deserve more. And had you not done that, Carrie Ann might not have felt the need to like explain why she was hard on you and whatever it was. But I needed to see that. Because honestly, going back to the girl that was sitting there at her chair that was like, like quiet and you know poised in the beginning yeah if we saw that through the the competition I don't know if you would have lasted because people don't want to see the perfect dancer right people want to see the person that is like enraged or offended or you know needing to break out of the cage like you kind of literally did and and for me that's when I really enjoyed your dancing

but beyond more than I already did yeah it's the journey right you always need like a something to route for or journey but it's the personality i want personality like there's a million pretty girls and there's a million pretty dancers but like who's the one that's going to have a sense of humor a sense of edge you know all those things that that you know make make you who you are i think a good example of that is cardi b like an over example of great great great rapper great um artist yeah cool performer i don't know if we remember her dance moves like we do like we do like like Bruno Mars or Beyonce, but her personality, like, done. It just adds all this sassonne to all the raps, all the lyrics, all the everything.

You know what I mean? You know what's so interesting is as you're saying this, I'm thinking about my experience on the show. And I think what's so weird is that that's how I was as The Bachelorette. I was so quirky. I was so edgy. I would talk about whatever. I was like this person who, I was myself.

I was myself. I was just completely being myself. on Dancing with the Stars, I felt like I was holding back on my personality on like who I really was because dancing is such an insecurity of mine. And it was something that like, I'm like working through this right now just hearing you talk about this because I'm like, I really, it was something that I struggled with that I always wanted to be the perfect dancer. And I worried so much about that that that I think that that's why I failed as a dancer back in my day was because I was just focusing so much on the technique and just wanting to be a perfect dancer and I held back on

everything else. And that was my breakthrough on this show. And then just like general was forgetting that and not letting that, you know, hold me back anymore and having that breakthrough moment. And it's just so interesting to think about it. It really wasn't me at the beginning. Everyone was like, oh my gosh, who would have thought Caitlin's acting like little America's sweetheart over there? And it's just so not me. I'm like the Canadian edgy not girl next door. And so it was so, yeah, that's crazy. That is crazy because I did see that about you.

And then when I meet you and know you from your personality on the gram to like you outside and even are inside jokes that are, you know, too hot for this podcast. Like I got your sass and your edge. So you dealt with a little bit of a metamorphosis and a realization about yourself too. Yeah. Oh, fully. And I do think that's why like when I say Artem was so. hard on me. I think it was in a great way. Like, there were times where I was like, he hates me.

And I'm not sure if I even like him because, but it was, it was all from a place of like, I think he cared. And I think he saw my potential. And I think he was like, saw me holding myself back. And I was comparing myself to the professional dancers. And I was like, why am I not like that? He's like, because you're not a fucking professional dancer. Like, stop. And Brandon, isn't that funny when they would check us like, you know that you guys are here and we're here, right? Like, how many times does our pro dancers go? I would always be like, but Daniela does it like this?

And he's like, you... Daniela is my favorite to watch. When, when, if anybody wants to be reminded of how a woman should walk into a room or how women should go in the dance, like, that's Daniela. She was my, like, I loved it. I agree. She is absolute straightfire. You have so many other things going on.

I've got my little... Look, I'm so old school. I write notes down, like, on paper. because I have like a prep doc that I like do all my research on but then I write down little notes on paper so I can go through it. Well, I'm so thankful

that you're going to be on my podcast because I'm just going to tell you right now I'm going to hit you so hard with so many questions about Bachelor life. Oh, good. Meaning that whole that whole part of your journey because I've never watched The Bachelor

and I'm going to explain why on my show. Okay. And I'm going to explain why you might break me into the first episode because meeting you, I was like, oh, wait, these bitches are real. You guys are, like, you guys are cool. I always thought, I'll tell you on my show. So don't worry still. Okay, so let's talk about your show.

You have a podcast coming out. It hasn't come out yet, has it? No, it has. So it's called, Listen, Hanay. Yep, it's been out for about a year now. So I have Hello Hanay, which is a YouTube series. Listen to Ney, which is a podcast. The YouTube is more of a fun story about my life, my everyday life.

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Yeah, 15 family members in a three bedroom home. in San Jose because when I'm first generation Vietnamese Americans, so when I came, when I was born in the U.S., my mom had immigrated two years before me. They had, they were boat people, which was the story I told on Dancewoods. And they escaped only managing to bring just some of the family members. So for at least 10 years, these family members were kind of left back in Vietnam without the means to come until my parents sponsored them over. So when my parents sponsored them over. The whole country was in my house, dude. We were like, you know, we had fried rice and fa and bumrio cooking in the kitchen. Then we had pancakes over here in the toaster oven

for, you know, me and my brothers because we were the kids that wanted to eat American food. Yeah. It was English, like, ESL everywhere teaching everybody how to speak English. I was teaching my aunts how to dance hyphy because we're from the bay trying to get them out of wearing pajamas in the middle of the day like we can't do that you can't you know which was funny because recently she was she hit me up and she's like you know today the people they wear the pajama outside and I'm like those people you were not fashion that was not same thing so it's so funny but but yeah it was it was a fun life and I'm I really think a great part of why I am the way I am today is because of that upbringing I was I really respect family yeah elders I love

sitting there and talking to people who are older or in different lives than myself. All my friends, when you look at my circle of friends, they're all very different. I've got friends from 68 years old to 22, just because I really love talking to people of different walks. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I was, I don't like to think of myself as a sheltered child because I wasn't, but in that way I kind of was.

You know what I mean? Like, I was very, like, me and my sister and my parents, and we, like, you know, like had our little bubble of like our small town and we just we grew up like that was just what we knew and then when when I got older and started to travel and see the world and meet new people that's when I was like oh my gosh there's a whole other world of people and like so many I think it's so fascinating how you grew up and of course that has so much to do with who you are today and I always found interesting and I know you've been very open about talking about like how important family is to you how much you love that dynamic but

you haven't really necessarily seen children in your in your future or maybe that's not in the cards for you but now being engaged and he has three kids has that changed your perspective or what is what is your thought process on that now yeah well jay my fiance he has two kids and um they there's there's a rumor out there for some reason online that he has three kids which is because he keeps telling me like who's this third kid and do we have to get him christmas presents like who's this third one i'm like you tell me no there's there's two kids and I right now, like being freshly engaged and in this new understanding of what a truly healthy relationship is about, I'm enjoying the healing process.

I'm healing from so many things that I didn't even know were wounds that were still there from my past, from my, I have to unlearn a lot of things at 40. Like I really want to unlearn the way we were taught to age. the way we were taught to be women, the way that we're allowed to speak and how we're supposed to love and how vulnerable is too vulnerable, you know, like I really understand now that being too vulnerable is actually no such thing. Like, I really love this process. So I don't think about the kids as much, but I do spend right now this time really getting to know his kids and really like finding my role in their life, you know, and making sure.

they kind of get to know me. So that has occupied so much of my space. I haven't had time to think of anything else. Yeah, but that's, I mean, I just like how you say you had to unlearn certain things. Yeah. We talk so much in life about learning and growing and evolving as women and as people. But there is a lot of unlearning you have to do about what, you know, either society or upbringing has taught you, especially about being a woman. I think unlearning is the first sign of adulting, honestly. The first sign of adulting, I used to think it was making your dental appointments on time, which it still kind of is for me.

I don't think I've gone, I mean, since COVID, I don't think I've gone for a cleaning since. Oh, no. I mean, it's supposed to go like three times a year. Yeah, I go like one. Okay, maybe once every two from here, over here. But I floss every day, so don't worry, guys. And I use a water pick. But I have found that in adulting, when you start to unlearn things and you start to unlearn

things and you start to be open to saying, I wonder if what I believe this whole time is true. Let me really immerse myself in the right people and the right resources to start unlearning. And a big, big part of that is I'm thankful for, even though it was the most tumultuous and hard way to understand our government, but Black Lives Matters is the perfect way of understanding how corrupt our government has been to this group of people and how, how. if we're not standing up for our brothers and sisters of black descent and we're living in America we're you know paying our taxes we are a part of the problem we have to speak out and be we have to be anti-racist what does that look like you know not just to be accepting of everybody no what does

it mean to be active about speaking up for other people those are things that I had to unlearn I had to unlearn that Christopher Columbus isn't really that great of a hero you know I did I had to unlearn that right like all these i had to learn the truth about slavery and and what black people were subjected to in in the early years and why some of those statements all these years later has still affected everybody and that's it i read a book i can't i'm blanking on what it was called right now i listened to an audiobook and same thing when you just said that i was like oh my gosh same i was just so i felt so stupid which i should after listening and learning so much and being humbled in these conversations and but that's one great thing that 2020

has brought, I think, is these kinds of conversations and certain awareness and change and of course still so far to go. But my eyes have never been open like this like they have in 2020 to so many different things that being one of them. Right, right. Exactly. So unlearning is a big part of the process. And then leaning into just, you know, who you are as a woman. I don't know. Are you, how old are you? you're not you haven't turned 40 right no I'm 35 okay let me tell you when you get there I need you like promise me if you can remember this you guys hold Caitlin accountable here five years from now when you turn 40 I want you to just sit back and just bask in it you're going to go through the emotions you're going to go through the oh my god and 40 what does this mean am I getting old

you're going to go through all that bullshit yeah and then it's all of a sudden somewhere something's going to click and you just won't give up And I'm not talking about not just giving a about what people think and not giving a fuck about, but all of a sudden this new elevated calm will be available to you if you are willing to take it

and just shut out the voices of everything else. And when you take it, you get this surge of confidence that is unlike your 30s and unlike your 20s. I don't care. You had the most biggest ball-topper of a mall which is winning the mirror ball. it's bigger than that confidence it's like you just like you just like you just like yourself and you just are great with it and and I I I can't wait for you to get that I want you to text me and just say

I got it I understand writing this down to put my calendar I love this shit so much because I always tell my listeners about the age of 27 which I it's not when you get confident but it's a really pivotal time in life at 27 is when you start you're right wait wait why did you say why 27 um there's some some proof out there i don't want to like get it wrong but i think it's when your frontal lobe develops as a woman okay i think it takes that long yes yes 27 and it's when you start to want to learn more about yourself and when you start to like see important things and who you surround yourself with it's like the start of it and it's like i can really pinpoint a time when i was 27 when things changed and now being 35 i'm like oh my gosh i've

just grown so much over the last however many years I can't do math and then I've heard about 40s and how liberating they are and and how you do have that shift and I I'm actually excited to turn 40 like I'm not dreading it. I'm really not. I feel like 35 is so young. I feel like I have so much to like still learn and I'm just like the more every year I'm not like afraid of birthdays. I'm more like oh I'm like so much wiser that I feel like but after 40 I think I'm going to get scared but 40 I'm looking for it to because of what you're good yeah and so you'll remember me when I say this it'll be a while now but I like that you I like that you captured 27 because you're right you're right I absolutely yeah it's like I mean I did not have my shit together 27 whatsoever but I wanted

to start to like you know grow and learn about myself and and have the confidence and like screw what other people thought like that's when it really started to change for me but um oh my gosh yeah 40 sounds great and i've heard it from a lot of people but i'm going to remember you when i have that moment and i'm going to text you absolutely and i'm going to be who is this i'm just kidding i'm going to be like dude i've freaking told you and then i'm going to give you a list of vitamins goodbye no i'm a vitamin freak so you don't have to worry about that um but you've done so much important work in your life like i'm i'm sure and it has to do with you know going back to again how you were raised and how like you've just surrounded yourself with people

from like you said all walks of life and it's probably taught you so much and you did something that I'm I really appreciate and think it's great that you did some producing and you appeared in a documentary about sex trafficking was that how were your eyes open to that and just thank you for doing what you've done oh thank you um so yes I'm I'm passionate to fight human trafficking. It is the second world's largest form of dark crime today, the selling and exchanging of human bodies. And I've just been fighting it for maybe about 10 years through the realms of charity work, obviously going out to different brothels and countries and busy. Until now, it's just become more, not until now, but now I've been much more focused in the work in the

United States, especially L.A. because it's as prevalent here in the United States as it is elsewhere. So I actually helped to executive produce a documentary called Stopping Traffic. It's available on iTunes. You guys can go to stoppingtrapic.org. And this documentary was such a big part of the puzzle to me because there's no one source you can go to where it'll teach you the exact signs of trafficking and what you can do about it. Like what are the exact ways that people can be trafficked today because it's not just sex it's not just happening overseas kids aren't just being you know um flown in cargo you know here it happens in actually much more exposed ways that we don't see and so this documentary we broke down all the

ways that you can catch trafficking take place and what you can actually do about it and now we're in the production of our second documentary called stopping traffic too and this is going to be about the survivors and exactly how the 2% survive trafficking when they either escape or through raids and what their lives are like. Because what we want to really do right now in order to help put a stop to trafficking is to really put a spotlight of care

and hope into these survivors so we can understand this, this, the dark trail behind them and put an end to it. Because people have to understand. understand it more. I think trafficking is still that thing where people are like, okay, does that mean that girls are being tied up in basements? Does it mean that they're, you know, it's just, it's such a weird. It's like a great area that people almost don't want to learn about because it seems so dark. Yes, yes. And the answer is yes, it is that and more. Right. Right. So we

have to be more aware of what kind of, as consumers we need to be aware of where we're buying and shopping from that making sure these manufacturers are doing things in the ethical way, then you have to also make sure that when you're traveling, you know, where, how present are you to look at the activity around you? And then you also have to be cognizant of these businesses that you support. When you go into a nail salon or a massage parlor, like what exact type of businesses are being run here? There's a lot behind it.

So definitely watch stopping traffic. Yeah. And we can learn that from, and you said it's on iTunes? It's on iTunes, yes. And you can go to stoppingtraffic.org and follow stopping traffic on Instagram. And if you guys follow me on Instagram at the Gini Mai, you'll find out when the second documentary is coming out. That's, oh, okay. So we'll follow you and then we'll get updates from that.

Yes, it's coming out in probably 2022. We're working on it now. Amazing. Wow, good for you. That's important. Thank you. I mean, like you have so much going on and so much fun stuff, but you're also doing important things. And that's, I just love that.

And that's part of the reason I love having a podcast is having these kinds of conversations, but also, I mean, knowing that I have an audience that can hear you say that and go do that, and that'll make a change. You know, if somebody can watch it, if five people watch it, tell five people about. Well, yeah. It's, it only takes one person to save a life. So yes, absolutely. Thank you.

Thank you. I have some questions from listeners. Okay. And it's somebody, I don't know where it is right now, but I know it's in here somewhere. Somebody wanted to know what your dynamic is on the reel with the other host. because you know how they on shows like that you want a dynamic group of people you want people with different opinions you want people that you maybe don't agree with all the time but because that's the point of it is to hear other opinions but so what is your relationship like with the

other hosts um and you guys yeah yeah so my co-hosts on the real um my favorite place to be when it comes to just catching up with my girls is lonnie love she's a comedian garcel beauvais who's I mean, and she's an actress. She's a real housewife. She's everything. She's a model, everything. Adrian Houghton, my girl from around the way, she's so awesome. She's, oh my God, an entrepreneur.

She's also got a YouTube channel. And it's myself. And so all four of us, we celebrate just being a woman every single day on the reel. It's on Fox. And it airs in select times in your city, so you just got to check it out. But basically, we talk about every single thing under the sun, which I think helps make our dynamics so connected. The fact that, you know, real women who respect one another

can talk about anything and not shade each other or hate on each other for your different opinions. We come from four different backgrounds. We come from four different lifestyles and we have our own struggles. And I think that one of the main things I learned in life is to expect not to like people. Like if you actually move food through life, meeting someone and kind of going,

I don't know if I, like go ahead and already expect that so that when you do find moments of connection or just moments of intrigue, it actually bonds you guys better. I think when we move through like, when we move through life expecting to like people, then we set ourselves up for disappointment. We get frustrated when they don't agree with us,

when they have different views, and that's not fair to them, right? So the thing that I love about the girls is we have very different opinions and it just keeps the show super colorful and it keeps me on my toes about what it is that I believe in and making sure that I stand for what I say.

You know, sometimes, two in your 20s and 30s, you can go through life and just kind of speak outwardly about politics or men or women. And you can just say all these like super encompassing statements that aren't really fair and don't really, even though you say it, you may or not believe it, but what you say will really shape your mind. And you can really make your mind much more narrow by making these claims like, I don't like people who blank or I would never do blank. Like those things limit you. So I really enjoy a group of women who we keep ourselves open-minded to understand each other,

but be open to also unlearning things on your own. So true. I love that. I think that's so important. I always love the saying that you like are the sum of five people that you surround yourself with because I look at like who have been my solid group of friends and who I do really surround myself with. And I have the same five friends for the past.

Like since I was probably 17, that really have kept me grounded, have really held me accountable, have been able to have these kinds of conversations with and who I've, like, grown from learning from them. And I think that's cool that you get to do that for work. You know what I mean? Like that's part of yourself. That's really cool that you've kept the same five friends. Yeah. Yeah. Very close. Like, talk to them every day. And it's crazy because usually you outgrow some people or, you know, you just don't keep in touch. But these five girls I can think of will always, I call them lifers they'll just always and they're incredible people who have their own little groups of friends who you know helps them grow and become who they're yeah that's so cool yeah it really is i love that

um okay a couple more questions and then of course then you have to confess something to me and then and then i'll let you go okay okay got it got it um okay well your fashion because fashion has always been something that's really important to you right yes yeah okay so one so i wanted to know what it's like to work with Jennifer Addison because I heard you did her makeup. And two, Camille, Camille Marie G says, what is your fashion inspired by these days, given the times for it? Ooh, that's a good one. Okay.

So first, working with Jennifer Anderson, I've done her, yes, I've done her makeup a couple times. She's really chill and exactly what you see. She's very California cool and she drinks a ton of water. Like, I think I actually, I drink maybe a gallon of water. a day. And I learned from her just because I watched her, just how fluid she looks. Like, as a makeup artist, you can tell right when your brush touches skin, if the skin is tepid or if it's like, it's super dehydrated. And I remember watching her skin flow with makeup. And I was

like, I want to have skin like that. So I've drank, I've drinking so much water since. And to me, like, my skin is everything. So I attribute that to Jen, for sure. Um, And then for my closet, Camille, hi, I would say the way my, the way I feel about my clothes is the same, whether it's quarantine or not, if it doesn't bring me inspo income or orgasms, it's not in my closet. That's literally the type of things that I want in my clothes. And I want to look at my closet and you feel excited. Like even if you're really lazy and you feel really gauzy, you can see. still wear a cool like sweat set that's going to like make you feel like you've got you know a whole situation going on like I would never want to look and say I don't have

anything to wear you know so because of that I'm actually this year creating my first ever clothing line that is going to be full of sick comfortable forgiving and also like wicked pieces that just make you excited about going wherever the fuck you're going to go even if you're going to Trader Joe's to get some of their hummus. I want you to have that awesome jogger pant that looks like you put some effort into it because it's made out of a great vegan leather that doesn't have to be, you know, expensive, but you look like, oh, you happen to throw them on with your pumas and you're cute, you know, or if it's going to be an oversized dress that can be worn three different ways,

so you can just pack light for your trip or whatever it may be. I'm excited about that. So my clothing line is coming out this fall. And if you follow me on Instagram, you'll find, how you can actually join me in creating part of the line. Oh, that's a really cool idea because obviously those are the people who are going to buy it. So smart of you to include them. That's so cool.

I mean, even you going into, remember you, we'd be in like the parking lot and I'd be like, how the fuck you look that cute going to like you always, you know how to put outfits together. So I'm excited to see your clothing. Oh, thank you, Caitlin. Yes, but it's also when you feel good, you just do good. Even if you don't, even if you're not the best dancer, let's say, if you feel good, about yourself, you come off with this swag they got everybody else watching. And that's important, you know? So feeling good is really important when we get out of this quarantine. It's so important

that we have choices. That's so true. Valley 1-2-25 says, when will you get married? Because I know that's, how do you even plan a wedding in a pandemic? I know you got engaged in April, was it? Yeah, it was actually March, March 27th. Yeah. March 27th. Okay, so how do you wedding plan and when do you know when you'll get married. Good question. We are working on it. So every day, we actually, every day, we talk about it and we add little things to our ideas. I already kind of know what dress I want to wear. We already know the colors. So right now, we're just waiting for the pandemic to just figure its shit out because we don't want to endanger the people that we want to have at our wedding. So, so we're still kind of working on it all together is my answer. Yeah, that's, I mean, how I don't know how

one would. I know, right? I actually learned that I think it's not only us, but it's J.Lo and Arod have canceled or postponed their wedding. And so is Gwen and Blake. So I'm like, damn, this is crazy, you know. And then if you guys follow the news, I'm sure you might have heard about that small wedding of 60 people that was held in Maine. And they had one person that had COVID. And from that one wedding, 138 people got COVID in different states that have spread from that wedding, they were able to choose it. And one older man died. So like it's, you know, we have to be very careful. Yeah. As you know. Yeah. Well, that was, I mean, I went through the whole dancing, not, you know, and I was around more people than I am now. I saw one person. She got it. And the next

day I was. Yeah. Oh, wait for it. I have plenty of questions for you on that. Okay. Good. I want to know everything. Your podcast. And then last thing, I make my guests confess to me is something every single podcast. So you have to play. Okay, so here's my question. Yeah.

How extreme is this? Like, how, like, can you tell me, give me a couple ones so I understand. Okay. Like my friend Brett Kessel, he's a Canadian country artist, and he told me about how him and his fiance, like, decided before they had kids, they were just going to rage and party and like everything

out of their system before they had kids and they went to Vegas and they met a Chippendale stripper and they just got along so well with him and they all got drunk and then yes and then they realized at one point he was definitely trying to have a threesome with them and they like went back to their hotel and they were like oh no we just like really loved you as a friend and that this six foot six black man who was just so beautiful and they were all drunk and he just planted one on Brett and he was like they were like found themselves like trying to get out of a threesome and this guy was kissing um anywhere from that to like pooping your pants in public having a accident like anything that is really humiliating that you want to get a test got it got it got

okay okay okay okay okay on that note okay let me think or it could be like you had this most awkward interview with somebody and you said something embarrassing there you didn't know who they were and you said the wrong name like anything okay I'll tell you I'll tell you this one this is this is so it's so stupid it's so stupid but it was embarrassing because you have to understand this is like first date times okay so I remember when my fiance and I then we're just dating yeah and I happen to come out to Georgia to visit him and in Atlanta I mean everywhere we go he's known like as soon as he walks in the room like everybody knows him right but particularly in Atlanta

we can't pull up and get gas or like pull up to a stoplight without everybody in Atlanta like just knows and looks in cars and so they're like jeezy what's up oh my god jeezy you know so the whole thing so that was that was like I was always like wow this is a lot of attention you know

and a part of me was a little part of me was like well god damn I've been in TV for like almost 15 years Right. Does somebody's next door neighbor know me? Like, did somebody, anybody, just somebody's kid, remember me

from some dumb shit? Like, anything, you know? And so we happen to go to this restaurant. And we walked in and we sat down and this is new date time. So, you know, when you're in a new date, you want to be cool. You want to, like, every time your man gets recognized,

let's just say, then you're just like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm used to it. It's not a big deal. You're not like, oh, my God, you know, you're just normal. Right. So I'm keeping it cool, whatever. And then our server comes up to us, and she's like, okay, can I take my, or she goes, can I take your order? Oh, my, oh, my God, I know you.

I know you. And she's looking at me. Yeah. Well, I'm like, finally, great, great. I look like somebody. Great. And I'm like, hi. And she's like, oh, my God, I love your shows.

you're i can't believe you're here what are you doing in georgia this is crazy and she's looking around at her friends and she goes brenda song i can't believe you're here with me stop it and my fiance

looks at me like who the fuck is that I'm just like I'll have the tune of them out please I would know Caitlin I was dying because then how do you then say yeah so I'm like

I'm not her but I know you though I've seen I know you and then you don't say I'm not going to then say oh you have to know me from the real or you have to know me from dance with stars because then she's like what is that I don't know if she does that then I'm even more stupid so I just I just sat there and I just didn't know

what to say I was just like no I'm not her but you are I've seen you I know it I'm like there's two Asian people in business. I could be the other one, but you don't know that one. So, okay. Oh, my gosh. That's, yes, that's really funny. Was your fiance, oh, a boyfriend at the time?

Was he laughing or was he like, oh, gosh? No, he looked, I brought it up again recently, and he just kind of, he just kind of was like, oh, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, he doesn't know who she is. So if you know who she is, then it's kind of like, oh, that's, come on, that's girls on Disney. she's like half my age right and i don't think we look alike but if you know which i think you know then you're like oh my god because that's like you really get that a lot sorry you get that a lot

all the time all the time all the time in this person's name tell me again what who's who what's what's her name brenda song okay please do and then you guys katelyn's fans will you guys please tell me if you think we look like please oh no no no does she have the same personality or something is that like a bubbly well why can't i get karyana nava oh yeah well yeah you know we don't look like any of these people though but right right then there's that that's funny i know who this is now that i see her but i could i could see if you guys have the same personality like same energy yeah But I don't think you look like. Well, there's it.

I always get, people tell me I look like Miley Cyrus all the time. I see it. You do? You see it 100%. 100%. It's just that your mannerisms aren't like her, but yes. That's funny.

I'm really, really like Brandy, her sister is one of my best friends in Nashville. And I said that to her and she was like, no, I don't see it, which I guess is because it's her sister. So she would probably know her better. But I get it all the time. Wait, you do, though.

You absolutely do. And if you cut your hair, short. Have you ever thought of that? Because I loved her with her hair short. Like how short? Like when she had it short short. Oh, you know, I can't pull that off. No. My. Yes, you could. I just don't know if your boyfriend would like it. That's the truth. He's such a, he loves long hair, which is funny, because I know if I cut it, he would be like, it's still beautiful, but he's like, he loves long hair. I get it. I do. That's funny. Okay. So to wrap it up, like, Let's just, let's tell everybody where they can find you, your podcast, your, oh, my gosh, your mom.

Is she on your podcast? She, she isn't on my podcast, but she's on my YouTube. So my mom is the mama my on Instagram. I'm the genie my. And my podcast is Listen, Honey, which Caitlin's going to be on it. So you guys have to check it out. And Hello, Hannah, is my YouTube series. And then you can watch me on The Real on Fox and also keep in tune with our follow.

me along on my Instagram so you guys can see when my clothing blanket bunch. Yes. Oh, I'm so excited for that. Do you know when yet? Or that's to so people. That's going to fall, fall 2021. Okay. Amazing. Well, you're just, you're an incredible person. Your, your energy is electric. I love talking to you. You have so much to offer. You've got so much going on and you're doing so much good in the world. And I'm putting out positive thoughts for the wedding planning. So thank you so much. And same to you. I'm so, like, I'm so happy that we did this because I want to always. know that we're still friends even after of course

there are some people on Dance with the Stars I was like looking at their Instagram and I was like you don't even follow me back and I was like fine man I was so sad I thought I was like had this little family that I wanted to keep in touch with and I like go to Johnny's page and I'm like

I love you and you don't even follow me so yes I will never let you out of my life we are friends now and thank you I we're not cut from the same cloth because we come from very different. Yeah, but we have like a same kindred spirit. Yes, kindred spirits indeed.

Indeed, I've never said that in my life. That was weird. But thank you so much for coming on the pot and I'm so excited to come on yours. Thank you. I love you guys. Take care. Bye. Thank you.

Thanks for listening. I'm Caitlin Bristow and I'll see you next Tuesday. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Get new episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast 1.com. the podcast one app and subscribe on apple podcasts who's not with o tv