Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Jeremy and Audrey Roloff's Love Letter Life

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

Kaitlyn hangs out with Jeremy and Audrey Roloff formerly of TLC's Little People Big World, and authors of the book A Love Letter Life! Jeremy and Audrey share the foundations of their relationship and how they've strategised for success in love, Jeremy shows off his knowledge of the eneagram charts, and they explain how going back over their love story to write their new book, "A Love Letter Life" is a gift every couple should experience. Baked By Melissa - Go to BakedByMelissa.com/vine and use promo code VINE to get 15% off your next order. Simplisafe – Check out SimpliSafe.com/Vine today! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Get ready to shake things up. Here's Caitlin. All right, everyone, I'm so excited to have in the studio with me today. They need no introduction. Jeremy and Audrey, roll off you guys were on TLC for you. Years and years. Yes. Years and years.

Former co-stars, they just realized their new book, A Love Letter. Life. Life. I was like, A Love Letter. Life. Yes. And also newish parents. Yes.

To a beautiful girl. Amber. 19 months old. So cute. What a fun age, too, because I feel like she's probably just starting, like, you know. What's her new thing? What is her new thing? What is her new thing?

I miss her so much. No, she's starting to talk a lot. Like, she's starting to, like, find. find words and just explore her vocabulary. She loves the slide. Like we go to the park by our house a lot and she loves going down the slide. Really?

Yeah. That's like probably one of her favorite things, but she's awesome. Well, I'll get you to show me all the videos and photos after because dogs and babies are like... You know, we never thought we would be those parents until you are those parents. Oh, I know I'm going to be that parent. I was never a baby person though before I had my daughter.

Really? I was never that person that was like, let me hold your baby. Oh, I am. And then now I'm like just obsessed with my own. Yeah, no, I get that. I'm a crazy, like, if there was a lady on my plane the other day, and she was, like, trying to do something, I'm like, I can hold your baby. She was like, no, I got it. I'm like, no, let me hold your baby.

I'm crazy. I'm, like, baby crazy. I've wanted babies for, like, like, five years now. That's fun. I feel like I just jinxed myself before we went on. I said, I can't. No, no, no, not that. I said, I can't lose my voice.

I feel like my voice is like, oh, like, I'm like, oh, wait, am I getting a scratchy thorough. Some honey in your wine. We need to, yeah. That's a good idea. We need to celebrate and do a cheers. Yes. You guys already did because I saw you lock it in with your cute little locked arm cheers. But cheers.

Tell us why. We're currently number three on all books on Amazon. That's huge. Thank you. Yeah, we're kind of freaking out. We're kind of freaking out. You should be. And we found that out.

We should be done chalk, but you should be freaking out. Yeah, we found that out literally before we walked in the studio here. So we're in the parking lot. That's partly why we probably couldn't find a place. Oh, my gosh. And you definitely need to cheer. I don't really like this wine. Oh, I'm so.

So sorry. No, it's good. Is it? Yeah, it's great. And I have a hair in my mouth. So how long were you guys on the show? Remind me, little people big world, right? Yeah, little people big world.

So just the quick sparks notes of it. TLC producers came to our family like 15 years ago. Yeah. And they were like, hey, you guys are interesting. This is kind of post-writers strike of L.A. or whatever. So everyone needed something to film. Okay. There's a whole backstory to it.

But anyways, we were one of those families. That was a long, long time ago. And we've been filming ever since. We actually just got the Guinness Book of World Record for most episodes ever filmed by a family. What? I don't know. By a single cast family. So, like, not like contestant shows, obviously.

Right. I think the bachelor's been on a longer than. Yeah, because we were the same family, the same cast. But the same people over. Wow. Like, Jeremy was 12 when it started. You were 12? Wait, how old are you now?

29, so. Holy! Yeah, so it's been a long time. And so. That's wild. Two years ago, though, actually when we got married, I started having a stirring in my heart of like, okay. 15 years like this is a long time to do have you done anything for 15 years?

drank wine yeah yeah so that I guess you can't get tired of but still going strong not going anywhere either but I get what I'm saying yeah it's like oh man it involved it went from like what we did on the farm and stuff to like our relationships and for us it was for me personally it's just like okay maybe it's time to go do something else right and so we decided to do that two years ago so we jumped ship and started chasing a lot of other passions and business ventures one of those being writing yeah so yeah we just came out with our first traditionally published book and it's been a ball yeah tell me all about this book because obviously i'm going to read it but i want to know all about it first like is it about your experience is it about meeting each other is it all those

things mixed into one it is so it's mostly our story and kind of like our journey we sort of say it's like this is s s so it kind of flashes forward and backwards in time so it's like it's Mostly the story of the day we met until our wedding, but then it kind of flashes forward into our marriage and back a little bit. And basically we tell a bunch of different stories that all kind of like point to how you can be more creative, more intentional, and more faithful in your relationship. So we believe that wherever people are at in their love stories, they can be intentional, creative, and faithful, whether you're, even if you're single preparing for your own love story, or you're dating, or you're engaged, or you're married.

Right. And so we kind of tell a lot of stories that hopefully inspire and equip people. to press into those things and yeah love letters is be or a love letter life because jeremy wrote me love letters because we did three years long distance oh three years yes how wait how long have you guys been together total nine years oh wow amazing congratulations that's amazing yeah you guys did long distance for three years actually our entire official we only dated long distance our entire official dating relationship was all long distance so when i again it's it's actually quite a wild story but yeah Please go on. Like when I asked her to date me, that was 10 days before I left for Santa Barbara, for college.

And so then we were separated by 900 miles for those three years. I would always come back to film. And so that's kind of where filming came in. But they never filmed any of our dating journey. No. They didn't really know. They weren't really filming Jeremy at that time, too. Well, because I was at school.

Jeremy was gone. So they filmed our wedding. And Audrey jokes in the book, like, we had a big decision to make. should we invite 200 people or 2 million people to our wedding? Right. Because that... And anyways, we ended up filming it and that kind of gained a lot of attention. Yeah. I think it's still the most watched episode on the show.

Wow. And then so this book... Everybody loves love. Yeah, they do. Yeah. They do. And so, anyways, that's kind of part of the inspiration behind writing the book is A, to tell the rest of the story. And then also, we just believe marriages and relationships have immense power to not just

influence your personal life, but culture at large. Yeah. Like, if we're all in, like, living these beautiful, awesome love stories. One of the big themes in the book is like, are we, or are you, rather, living the love story that you would want read back to you one day? I am now. Yeah. I am now. It's like, if we all just kind of woke up with that question, you know, it would probably compel us to do the, you know, take the road less traveled, if you will, you know, and really pursue something meaningful, but it might not be the obvious easy road. Right. Kind of like letters. Often, inconvenient. Yeah.

Takes patience. No delete key. Slow. All of those are qualities of healthy relationships. Wow. Oh, that's beautiful. All right. So I'm lucky enough to live in a nice neighborhood where bad stuff almost never happens. But a while ago, I kept having packages stolen right off my porch. And it wasn't like people were breaking into my house or anything, but it was really frustrating and a little scary to be honest to think that sketchy people were at my door. So I ended up getting a PO box. Now, I don't want anyone else to feel that way because it feels good to fear less, especially at home. And that's why I'm excited to tell you about Simply Safe.

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still writing letters after three years, like that shows your commitment and your passion and it shows that you have good writing skills, so you should write a book. Did you keep these love letters? Are they in there? Yeah. So we put some of them in there. A couple, I think. Gerard's first letter to me we actually put in the book

because it's just, it's crazy. But, and then we, like, I think there's a couple of poems that he wrote me here in there. And we still write letters. So we write every year. Like handwritten. Yes. Love that.

So every year in our anniversary, we write each other a letter that we seal and then read the following year in our anniversary. So, like, it's kind of like a surprise. steal it please yeah steal it please anyone listening steal it because it's so fun because you open it up and it's almost kind of like reminiscent of the past year and there's a lot of things that we'll write in the letters that are sort of like it rekindles wow that happened this year you know it's really cool reminder it's kind of like renewing your vows it is in a way yeah oh my gosh I can only imagine what your guys vows were like you obviously wrote your own we obviously wrote our house yeah oh my gosh I'm going to have to go watch this episode and cry yeah definitely is are you happy you did it on TV yeah yes we it was overall it was a good experience like we really that's challenging it's I mean I've you know I've had to think about that kind of thing right when I was engaged before from the show yeah and having to think about

do I want it same thing and right all these people in or just have a small wedding but at the end of the day I mean I think people always go with what they think is the right choice and they're always happy with it and yeah and that was something I always thought about was doing that what would you have done or what do you think you would have done I think I would have do you think you would now like I don't know I went back and forth it was just it's kind of hard because people you know like people kind of saw did your relationship end up obviously ever being on the show yeah it was like they filmed the whole like engagement my wedding dress shopping all that was filmed so then people kind of get connected to that where I think I would have considered it before

because I got engaged on the show and people kind of were with us from the start when we first met and they kind of grew with us and then after just kind of wanted to continue on that journey with us and we shared everything on social media anyways. Yeah, yeah. So I was like you know, that'd be nice to kind of invite

them into it somehow. Totally. But now I'm not sure if I would, but again I don't rule it out. Right. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. But you guys also have a podcast. Yes. Yeah. And so... It's so fun. I mean, do you... Yeah, is it? Do you miss the TV world at all? Are you loving doing your own, like, now, because you're kind of now steering your own chip

where you get to, you know, have your own creative control and be able to do the things that you want to do and talk about. And you can say you've done the other thing, too. It probably gave you so much experience and a lot to talk about and now appreciate what you're doing even more now. Yeah, definitely. Jerkin speak to that better because he was on the show longer. Well, yeah, like, people ask me, like, did you like doing the show?

and I think I can sum it up in a sentence. And that is, if I was asked to do it, if I would do it all over again, I would say yes. Yeah. And that pretty much sums up my experience. It was awesome. It's given us so much opportunity, so much platform.

I have nothing against the show at all. It just, back to what we said previously, 15 years later, or whatever it was, 13 years, whatever. It's like you just get to a point where you're like, okay, time to go do something else. Yeah. And that was us. Especially in that world.

That's a long time. Totally. Yeah. And we decided to take the tools we were given and provide it and just say, okay babe let's go chase some dreams yeah like let's team up and do something fun together and we love working together so yeah the podcast which is crazy why why why why why why why just um I don't know couples working together is usually like really challenging and can cause some problems but I think you guys obviously like how how do you navigate that with working together and

staying like on the same page yeah yeah babe I'll let you speak into this I just want to say one thing I think, and we talk a lot about this in our book, and one thing that really, really helped us was seeing our differences as the gifts the other person brings to the, to the relationship. So, like, are you in the enneagram at all? Oh, yes, I'm a three. Are you really? Nice. Yeah. So I'm a nine.

She's an eight. Okay. And an eneagram talk that's like fire and ice. Wait, they literally call us fire and ice. Like when you read the description, it's like. Wait, see that you're, see that again what you are? So I'm, I would be a nine. Okay.

Is that the peacemaker? Yeah, the peacemaker. I'm an eight, which is the challenger. Okay. Eights and threes have a lot of similarities, especially as females. Okay. However, like, AGE and I, like, we can easily clash, and let's just say there can be some heated fellowship. Yeah.

I like that. But, I mean, that's pretty normal. It's pretty normal, for sure. Totally, totally normal. But, like, there's also a perspective shift. We do our best to, like, embrace. And there's many, many ways we do this or whatever. But, like, I can tend to get really.

lazy and Audrey brings this like ferocity ferocity what am I trying to say yeah we've said a lot of weird weird we've said a lot of weird well you've been talking and doing your rounds like a good 10 word you know what if you wouldn't have corrected yourself or I would have been like yep yep right on yeah I do the same thing all the time yeah so she brings this like this zeal this intensity yeah and then but also she doesn't know how to calm down so I can bring a sense of like hey it's time to sit in a break right right yeah it's time it's time

to open a ball of wine, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's chill out. Right. And so, anyways, the pairing has been really well as we've pursued these work ventures and and worked together and stuff. So it's been. Well, it's good when you can find the balance in that because isn't there the whole thing

with the Enneagram that there's like an impaired way of thinking as your number and then there's a healthy way of thinking. So if you can both be in your healthy mindset of thinking as what you are, then that can like, you know, really bring out the best in each other where I was my, my, that's so weird to say X now. I don't know why. my last relationship it seems X seems so negative I don't know yeah yeah in my last relationship we were both threes and we could get competitive and now I'm trying to think what

Jason is um what what is the eight again the challenger yeah I feel like that's that would be him do you know all the numbers like could you tell me what a seven is seven is enthusiast they're like that's him no that's him yeah sorry that's what he is yeah he's enthusiast for sure yeah funny sevens are fun yeah seven and three that's that's a fun seven is my wing So, like, I go to seven. Okay. That's my de-stress is like, I need to have fun. And what's a two?

Two's the helper. I think that's what I wing to. Yeah. Four is, what's the, what's four? They're like the ones they have this deep need and desire to be unique. Unique, yeah. Four is like, no, that sounds like me kind of. But fours are.

Can you be a combo of all of them? Yeah. Well, everyone, like, healthy, as healthy humans, we pull from every number. Right. Yeah. But nines are the ones that, like, kind of. identify supposedly the most with every number on the enigram yeah you always say it nines are the crown of the enigram it does not mean they're better than any of the number they just like it

actually means that nines have the hardest time choosing an identity for themselves because they tend to attach themselves to the other numbers any identity of any number that they find themselves associating with like i can get along with five really well because i pull off their five energy Okay. Same with a seven. Anyways. So. It's so interesting.

It's fascinating. I do want to have like some sort of Enegram like specialist on the podcast to talk through all the numbers. We had Chris Hewerts on. Ian Cron is really good too. He wrote The Road Back to You. That's kind of like the popular book that blew up. But Chris Hewarts wrote Sacred Enigram. And he's like, he's studied under Mother Teresa in the final years of her life.

And he is like geek on Eniagram. Yeah. Oh, what? They're both killer. Where do they live? Oh, I don't know. They would jump on remotely, but. You did?

Yeah. Yeah. We do ours on. Really interesting. There is what, I don't remember the guy's name, but he wrote like a song for each number. Yeah. Is that one of those guys or no?

No. Or yes. He's part of it. Yeah. Or he was like part of that podcast. I was like crying and laughing in the car listening to my like song about the three. I was like, oh, I saw my hair speaking to my soul. That's crazy.

Have you guys always wanted to write? Like, has that always, that's clearly been. and something that you're passionate about if you started with the like were the letters like yeah so my i would say my writing came out of a necessity to write like i just you know i forget who said it uh but it was like i couldn't help but write and it was a lot he wrote a lot of poetry to audrey and blah blah it's whole thing but like Audrey really i've like really truly all he has always loved to write for me it's it's an exercise like i've got a i either have to feel it like this burning like wow i'm in love i'm gonna write right or i was like i'm going to

got to go do some homework and write. But Jeremy is a really good writer. He just doesn't, he's not like, yes, I want to write every day. You know what I mean? He's good at it, but it's not like something that you're like, I have this fire inside me to write every day, but you're good at it. Yes. You are.

Thank you, babe. Honestly, though, the feedback has been like, it's just, it's insane. Because think of how many relationships are out there that want to like read about other relationships and find some sort of like connection to it or like, like, connection to it or like relate to it some relate ability to another couple and learn from it and I feel like from the sounds of it that's what your book's doing exactly and like something we we always say and we say in the book is like relationships marriages specifically hold the power to interpret how you experience life whether it misery or joy so just like what you just said like so many people it's like yeah they're

just craving for something to like get to that spot that healthy yeah baseline of a relationship to build on and really that's what we explore in the book and we're like in the book real honest about the things that we struggled with our conflict i mean like we get it's pretty vulnerable and like so we're really scared but that's why it'll do so well but but we we thought you know there's there's a lot of books out there on marriage there's a lot of books on marriage and we have not been married long enough to quote unquote write a book on marriage so but there's nothing really out there by people who are kind of like in it with the people that are like we're kind of in it with them you know what I mean with the reader we're in the same season as the people

were writing to in the book and coming at them from a perspective of like we're in these same struggles and like we can relate to the same things we're probably way more relatable than you might think right what I mean like social media paints this like oh you know of course goals whatever but it's like no like we actually probably struggle with a lot of the same things that you do right now and so let's talk about them yeah yeah and the world doesn't need another highlight reel yeah No, it needs more of raw. Real, it needs reality. Yeah.

Real stories. That was kind of another mission we had with the book. It's like, kind of like what we do with our podcast. Like, let's get behind the scenes, behind the curtain of this veil that we naturally put, we front. You know what I mean? It's like, let's get back there because that's where the roots of the vine are. And I think like with social media, too, I try and like mix in some really real posts and I try to like talk about anxiety and certain things. you do that by the way. Yeah, you've done a great job of that.

Well, I want, but it's also, you've got to also understand that not everybody wants, like, kind of, that's sometimes their escape for, like, you know, pretty things and nice things. And people wouldn't really want to see your arguments on social media and that kind of thing, you know? So a book is a really good opportunity to, like, actually write out your feelings and you have a lot of pages to work with. Yeah, it's long form. Right. And people can actually, like, sit down and not see the pictures, just, like, read and feel those things. Yes. And books are never. ever going away. Yeah. Never. It's true. You know? It's true.

I think, like, especially for you can download them and listen to them now. You know, like that's, they're not going anywhere. So I feel like that's, that's such a good platform for you both to have and to share your story and to have people understand that. Because you probably do seem from TV and Instagram perfect, you know? And you probably don't want people to think that because it's a lot of pressure. And it's not true. It's just literally not true.

And it's hard to keep up with. It will crack. It will not. be buoyant forever. So, like, do we want to bring people along our journey with us? Or do we want to be the people that, like, crash one day because we put up this facade that one day sank? Right. And it's like, that's a real decision. I think a lot of people in our positions, maybe, but you know, everyone for that matter, no matter how quote unquote influential you are on social media, like that is something for everyone to realize because we're all putting up front somewhere.

Yeah, exactly. Even I talk about that with like, I have musicians on just because I'm in Nashville. So I'll have a lot of musicians to come on. And like, no matter what they're story is and what they write about in their music people can always relate to it even even if it has a different meaning to them you know like everyone can read a book and find different meaning everyone whether it's a i was going to ask you for a single people how can they relate to your book if they wanted to read it can it be a good prep for them yeah yeah okay great question we i mean i would say even just in the past few days since it's been out like majority of the response has been from single people we have because there's just not a lot out there for like how do you navigate

dating, you know? And how do you navigate one of the big things that we really tried to, like, this is just a huge thing for us when we were engaged in dating was we wanted to be more intentional, intentional about preparing for our marriage than preparing for our wedding because our culture is so obsessed with the wedding day. Right. And so everyone spends all this money and all this time planning this epic wedding, but they don't do anything to prepare for an epic marriage. Right. And so we were really intentional about like, we wanted to spend more time preparing for our marriage and so there's hopefully people will find a lot of tools in the book to prepare more for your marriage than your wedding day well and then and then and then not just that

even going before that and even how do you become the right how do you become the person you know we're all looking for this specific person to like date but like are you that person and so we talk the opening chapters are actually all about like okay like let's navigate the single of you or the season of you before you meet someone right right because that is that is vital fresh fertile territory there that a lot of people overlook because we're so busy looking. Yeah, isn't that true? Yeah.

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in a position where I was like established and I like knew who I was and I was like in a place where I felt like I was really actually ready to be in a relationship and I can't wait for marriage and all those things. So did you feel like you were both ready and just like as individuals when you met each other? That's a great question. Would you say yes? I would say that like I think our season, so we did a two, I pursued Audrey for two years.

So we met and we're like stayed friends. Okay. For like strictly friends. For like two years. Like we didn't even touch. Wow. And, but it was in that pursuit that I. I say in the book like

We grew a lot during those years Right I say in the book like meeting Audrey Held a mirror in front of my face Where I saw the man I was In comparison to the man I wanted to become And so I grew in those two years immensely And it was actually a very special season of my life As I pursued Audrey I was actually kind of pursuing

The Lord and myself at the same time Like who am I You know for me Yeah so it was a fun season So I would actually say no Like I wasn't really in the right spot Because if I felt like I was I probably would have messed it up

And done something crazy That's true Well that but you were But you grew into that And then started dating Yes exactly So that there you go Yeah

Yeah we waited And a lot of that was too Like I was in I was We were young You know we met when we were 19 So we were I was in this You know I was in college

And I was a collegiate distance runner And I was like doing school Like I was like I'm doing my thing And I don't need to date Like I was in that phase where I was like kind of eh. But then I met Jared and I was like, oh, I've never met anyone like him before.

I'm definitely interested, but I don't want to date you right now. Right. So we just friends, friends, friends for a long time. We call it the patient pursuit because Jared pursued me, but it was so patiently. And then on our. The creeper that texted me every day and like, you know. I was very strategic with it. Yeah, very strategic.

But I was also, I was the guy that was like, whoa, I've seen her three times and she hasn't even mentioned at the show. Right. I never seen the show. Like anything about, like, I was like, this is before Instagram, like, you know. That really intrigued me. Well, because you get so jaded sometimes coming, like being from a TV show where that's how people know you and you question people's motives and intentions and all those things where, I mean, I've had troubles making friends in Nashville because of that same thing, you know. So it's, it's, that is intriguing when a person isn't just, you know, oh, I know you from here. Cool.

Now I'm interested. Like she knew you, wanted to know you for you and got to know you for you. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. That's cute. You guys are so cute. I can't stand it.

It's a fun. Yeah, it's a fun story. And I love that. It's been nine years. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's actually insane.

Like, it does not feel like nine years. And then once you have a kid, you're like, time. I don't understand. Oh, it just was going to be two. And we're like, wait, we just had. I was pregnant, like, yesterday. No, I know. It's, even just having a niece and nephew and, like, friends with babies, I'm like, wait, what?

It makes time go so much faster because they grow so much. And we just feel like we're just getting started. Right. Like, we're, like, just hit boots on the ground, getting going on all this fun stuff. Like, babe, we've so many ideas. Like, we, our pillow talk, let me tell you. How do you guys sleep at night? I bet you just lay there and go, no, no, no.

It's tough. Jeremy's an in-year-gum 9, though. Oh, yeah. So when I want to sleep, I'm ready to sleep. See, I do that, too. I can shut it off. You can, awesome. Oh, yeah.

The second my head hits the pillow, I'm like, and brains off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Okay, so, but your mind keeps going. I'm a little, I mean, I can sleep. I don't have a problem sleeping, like, crazy. But she has a hard time shutting her brain. But I want to keep talking.

I, like, want to keep verbally processing all the things. And it probably happens the most at night. So I've just recorded some automatic responses. I push play and go to bed. Oh, that's. Yeah. Oh, that. I thought you meant you just record her,

um, her talking about. all her ideas going uh-huh yeah that's a great idea though actually I've never used that one before um so the book I know we're still like we're gonna talk about the book a lot just yeah yeah yeah amazing and it's obviously getting a great response so like yeah it's been you know when people like like they're dming us and whatnot when they're like I can't put it down yeah like that is just oh I bet you will save relationships you know like you will humbling yeah and maybe end ones that need to be ended. Right. Well, and that would be a beautiful thing too. Yeah. Yeah. Some people just need to read that one book that's going to help them get out of a

toxic relationship and then thank you for that. You know? I hope so. And or relationships with themselves. And yeah, that's just as beautiful. We'll be back with more off the vine with Caitlin Bristow. Alexa isn't the only one with breaking news. Make sure to hang around at the end of this podcast for the latest breaking headlines on the AP News. minute. All right, everyone, if you like my show, then you're going to love Now What with Jessica Graff on Podcast 1. And right now, the former winner of The Amazing Race and my friend is getting all the details of this season by calling up players that get eliminated each week for some juicy mini interviews. Download new episodes of Now What with Jessica Graff every week

on Apple Podcasts and Podcasts One. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. I don't know if you get this question a lot, but what is your definition of true love? I think I can sum it up in one phrase that I say all the time. Okay. To find and still seek. Now that is true love. So I think true love is pursuit, ultimately, at its core level pursuit. It's to find someone, experience all those emotions, but then to say, you know what, I choose to love you forever till death do us part.

That is a choice I'm making, foot in the sand. And I'm going to vow to that. And I'm going to live into that, prepare for that, and strategize for its success. That's true love. Oh, I like that. Every guy out there that's listening. There's like three. Take that.

Or woman, whatever. But, like, that's the constant continual, you know, that's the progression of love. Because it's like, there's going to be days where you want nothing in the world to do with the person. Of course. Yeah, but like. Nobody wants to say that, but it's true. Oh, yeah. That's just a fact.

So what are you left with? Yeah. You're left with a choice. Yeah. Actions. What am I going to do? Actions, yeah. There's a Timothy Keller quote that's like, you know, we often think that feelings of love will produce actions of love.

But it's actually true to say that actions of love will produce feelings of love. I agree. So you choose to do those actions every day that might, even when you don't feel it. Yeah. You know, and like parents can relate to this because like you choose to love your kids every day. Even when you don't feel that action, that love, but you choose to do the actions. Yeah. And that's that unconditional.

Exactly. Yeah. And that leads to a great, great point. Can I bring this up? Don't know what you're going to bring up for sure. Strategizing success, though. Like, if you think about it, every successful sports team, business, organization, you name it on the planet.

What do they all have in common? They all have a mission statement. They all have goals. They all have strategy and usually some type of yearly summit. Why don't we have that for our marriages? That's a good. Do you have a statement? Do you have a?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's almost like... A mission statement you do? Yeah, well, it's like, it's like, why wouldn't we? It's like we want to strategize for success, just like every other successful team on the planet does. It's like, why are we, we're almost like strategizing for failure in our current cultural marriage structure situation. It's like...

I am guilty of that. Yeah. I am guilty. Sorry for the conviction. No, no. I just, no, I like to be challenged and I like these new thoughts because I'm like... With our relationships, it's almost like we go into them with this like, well, I hope it. works out attitude yeah organic and then like spontaneous every and then it's like well no wonder a

couple years later you haven't designed success so going back to aud's point like what if you built in actions of love yeah even if it's like this is going to be a silly example but like a 12 a 12 noon alarm that goes off on your phone every day you text her wife something you like about her it's like that is an action of love that when you get home at night I bet it'll reward you that's so true it sounds so cheesy no it's not jason does that He adds it in his calendar or put it in his notes or he has set an alarm. That's exactly. I will say that that's a green flag.

Yeah. He has so many green flags. I was talking about this to my girlfriend today. Do you know that at Marco Polo? Yeah. Okay. I use it with my girlfriend who is in Calgary and so that's how we like chat every day. And I was telling, I'm like, there are just green flags everywhere.

That's awesome. That's good. He totally thinks us as a team. He like changes my mindset. He like encourages me. me to think differently. He knows that like my I always try and like sabotage because I like that's how like I grew up. My parents were best friends. But then they ended up getting a divorce. And it was like, you know, for a divorce, pretty healthy. And they stayed friends. They still are friends. But I saw two people

fall out of love. And so that was like always my fear of these people. I'm going to fall out of love. And it keeps proving me right in relationships. And Jason comes from a family where his parents have been married 40 years. They have a very healthy relationship. And he's just like, well, that's what I've seen my whole life. And he is very understanding of my situation and wants to, like, convince me and wants to be there for me and talk through everything. And he's just like, we are a team. That's amazing. I love that.

I can think of one red flag. Green flags. I love that. So that is so good. Yeah. What's so cool to hear about that, too, is we have this chapter in our book. It's the whole chapter and it's called Not an Island. And the whole idea is like, are you isolating or integrating with your community?

As a relationship. Like, do you start dating someone and fall off the face of the earth and no one ever sees you anymore? No. Or do you start dating someone and hang out with friends so that your friends can raise green flags or red flags if they need to, you know? Yeah, see, that's good. That's so healthy. That's a healthy sign. So it's awesome.

I like want to show them off and just like everybody. I love that. Oh my goodness. That's how we felt. I actually want to hang out with friends. Yeah. Because it's like if you're isolating, you're only isolating if you're hiding something, right? Right. And so it's, you know, that's a sure sign. But that is so cool to hear.

And I feel like people just sometimes go fall so hard. I've done that. I've done that, you know, in my past. Yeah, yeah. And I've started going into hiding and just wanting to like spend time with that person. And it's obviously not a healthy thing to do. But I mean, as I've grown older and experienced more in relationships, then I've definitely like, I just feel like everything in my life. And I said this about my last relationship. Oh, led me to this. But even though that that one still led me to this, you know. And I feel like I'm finally at a place where I'm like, okay, I truly believe in my heart that this feels right. Yeah. Love that. Yeah. I should write a book. Do it. You should.

You will one day. That's awesome. I'm sure you will. So I always do confessions on my podcast. People tell me what they want to get off their chest. Is there anything in your book that you confess that or there are a lot of things you can just pick one that you want to. that you want to share. Or something in your daily life,

something embarrassing that happened to you this morning that you want to share. Anything. Anything. Anything. Anything your whole heart desires. I know. I still don't know.

I saw this in the questions. Well, yeah. Like on the right over here. Someone's like, oh, by the one thing I'm supposed to think about. I'm like, oh, boy. It's hard to think of. Honestly, the only thing that came to my brain, which I should probably confess.

gosh okay is uh and i don't know if this is stupid or silly but um no i do this all the time and it's probably so oh i know i know we go to people's we're hanging out people's houses and i always like oh yeah i got to go run to the car get something out of car you know yeah maybe like throw my coat in the car like oh i got to get audrey's purse you know and i go tinkle in everyone's yard hold on tinkle oh we're people don't know i pee outside because i grew up on a farm i know the word tinkle okay well bless your heart oh yeah Jeremy says the word tinkle as if everyone's just going to be like oh yeah totally like can I use can I tinkle can I take a tinkle yeah he says that like when he's looking for the bathroom yeah that's so funny you're like the only really or restroom but everyone's like depending on the audience I'll say restroom but if it's you know oh see I say washroom but that's another Canadian thing oh yeah that is a European thing right yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right that is a European thing yeah yeah so anyway I grew up literally sleeping outside of every like in the summer he would sleep outside in his tent by the camp fire pit every single

night if you think about it so he just i love the outdoors and stuff but like if you think about it like you mean to tell me that i'm going to tinkle a little water in this thing and flush two gallons of water it's like oh that's like you're like it's so weird saving the planet at the same i guess yeah but it's just like it's so like to me i'm like i'm not going to go the restroom i'm just going to go outside and take care of a bush real quick so i mean i guys can do that but i kind of respect that yeah yeah that's i mean it's funny anyways babe that's a great confession though yeah yeah i guess that's good i like that anyone that i know hearing this are probably going oh my my confession is i've probably peed in more bushes than you oh okay and i didn't grow up on a farm well this that's a great tell this story in

the book because literally probably the third time that we hang hung out so i was a distance runner so i peed outside all the time. Yeah. On her runs. You're running for hours, right? So it's like, there's no trying to find a bathroom. Yeah. And so we were hanging out and we were in this like wooded clearing place that we drove

to in the trucks and like had a fire or whatever. And Jair went to the bathroom and I really had to go to the bathroom. And so I was like, I have to go to the bathroom. And Jera was like, there's no porta-potties. And I'm like, it's okay. I can just go in the woods or whatever. And I was like, yeah. You're like, yeah, that's my girl.

We told this story in the book because he's like, he was. stoked about it. It was like a thing that turned him on. It was a green flag. That was a green flag. You peen in a bush was, uh, that sealed the deal for him. So, confession. We both pee outside a lot. Hey, you know what?

You're resourceful. Right. Yeah. We are from Portland, so you know, we get a little crunchy over there. I didn't even ask how you guys met. We were set up on a blind date. Okay. By mutual friends who we trusted. Jeremy, like, neither us had ever been on a blind date.

And, like, Jeremy probably could have gone on thousands of them. It was a double date. Ours was blind. They had been together for a while. They were dating. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

And we, like, trusted them enough to be like, okay. And this is just weeks after both of us got out of, like, serious kind of long-term relationships. Right. But you were still so young, too. Yes. Yeah, we were pretty young. We were, whoa, 20?

I was 19. Yeah. Oh, that was 20, yeah. That is crazy. Nine years ago. It's nice. Little babies. Yeah.

And I want to know, like you said earlier about how you. um were intentional with working on the marriage before you got married what are like i know it's probably in the book but what are some things you could just talk about on the podcast of things that you did as a couple to to strengthen your relationship before you got married yeah i would say first of all like people say there's no such thing as shortcuts in life that's totally false there's absolutely shortcuts in life it's called mentorship okay people that have done there and been there been there done that done there been that done there been that it's been a long couple days it's been a long couple of days I think that's my third miss app but anyways it's like there so like

mentorship for us premarral counseling was was huge and during premarral counseling I mean we there's so many things that we did we talk about this thing sorry yeah go for well we talk about this thing in the book called we call it like our illumination of the past where we had to illuminate the past to imagine for our future and so So there were kind of like a few, like, main things that we really had to talk about before we got married, like our family's histories, you know, how we communicate, how we were raised to communicate, how we saw our parents handle conflict, how we saw our parents handle money, what's our view of money, how do we want to save, spend, give, you know, and then what's our view, like, physical intimacy and sex and what's our view of that, and what do we think about that, and are there boundaries around that, and what does that look like? Conversations. Basically just our past. Honest, honest conversations. honest conversations and like a lot of people that are getting married don't want to have those

because it's so much work to plan a wedding especially if you're working a full-time job and those conversations are emotional and really hard they take energy and you don't have energy you have to carve out the time to have them you're right they're draining but you have to do it because you get so far from those conversations they're so worth it because then you don't drag things into your marriage or your long-term relationship that you like didn't want to drag in right you know what I mean and if the goal again back to your question is prepare how like some practical is how we're preparing for our marriage instead of just our wedding I think a healthy perspective of what is going to happen like we're going to become one

so all those conversations are basically dissecting what's going to happen when that process takes takes shape you know so like okay if we're one on our wedding day and we commit ourselves to one another that is the clashing of two different souls coming together in a moment but then you got to like iron that out for the next couple years. Right. So without all of the preliminary conversations on how that's actually going to work and what the goals are, like, it's going to get messy. People kind of like brush over the money and the how you, how you, um, were taught

to deal with money and emotions and stuff. People don't have it until you're actually in it. It's like, damn it. Why didn't you talk about this? It's like nobody cares. Until it blows up, right? Referring to marriage, nobody cares about the seatbelt. They just want the crash.

and they want to pick up the piece, it's like, no, let's just try to buckle up a little bit because it's going to get rough. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I really like that. And that's something I'm, again, learning in this very healthy relationship I'm in and that he wants to have those conversations.

Praise the Lord. He really does. We went out for the best dinner one night in Seattle. We had this big seafood tower. We ordered a nice bottle of wine. And we honestly talked about all those things you just said. So good. We talked about how our parents dealt with money.

and we talked about how like we raised what we would want to in our family when we raise children like we really and after we left we're like wow like we are capable of some pretty deep conversation here and i live for deep conversation like i live for that kind of stuff because i feel like it you will learn so much from it for you know definitely going into your future with somebody i think that's so important and i think that's i mean who is not going to benefit from this book of years like everyone will we we hope so we hope so So, so far we've had, we've had as young as 13 years old saying, like, oh, my goodness, this has given me hope. Wow. As far as, like, 60-year-olds, I've been married for 45 years, saying, like, oh, my goodness, like, this has brought new, this has breathed new life into my marriage. So, like, wow, that is a gamut. We're, like, blown away. We're, like, blown away. Because we're still so fresh in it.

Like, it's still so new. Because you write a book, the process of writing a book is, like, two years. Of course. And no one really reads it except for your editor. And so. For it to be put to life in the neck. All of a sudden, yeah. goes out and you're like no one's read this right so like we're like tapping our fingers like

should we have taken this out right right yeah no I think it's so important to be vulnerable and especially in writing a book I think like people don't want the you know that's that's why biographies and stuff like they're so popular because they're so real because they're so real and you're just reading these real raw stories of people are like wow I can't i can't believe you're sharing that but like I can relate in some way or you know there's so many things that can come from that. I just love it. Yeah, we, we hope it's going to be good. Yeah, thank you. Well, it already is. So, thank you. You're doing fine. Technology is obviously a big part of dating now. Do you, you guys didn't really have. Are we going to go here? What? What? Is there

something? No, keep going. Do you think it makes harder for people to have meaningful connections? absolutely it can make it easier though like I like I think you we can't bash technology so much because obviously you're in a long distance relationship it um if I didn't have to have it like totally so like it can be just as dangerous as it is helpful though yeah and I think we don't consider the other side of that yeah you know I think the thing that frustrates us the most is when we see people out like we our rule on date night is like we don't take out our phones like unless we're going to snap a picture or whatever. We're mapping ourselves to the next spot.

But then when we go out to dinner, everyone around us is just head down on a date. Like, you can tell they're on a date and they're both just staring at their phones. Or they're so obsessed with like getting out their phones for a second and doing whatever they want to do and then putting it away. But then like that just being in the moment with the person that you love and like actually being present. Yeah. And like, we have another role. Like, we don't have our phones in bed. Like, unless, like, we're setting our alarm.

Yeah. But because we can go, stay up late, don't get me wrong. We're on our phones a lot. Right. Right. And, like, this is something we're learning. Again, how are we strategizing for success? Right.

Those little micro rules that we've, those boundaries that we've set up are going to keep the train on track. Yeah. Because the phone is such a distraction, but it can be used for, you know, working from home or doing whatever you need to do. And social media can be a business as well. So knowing when to put it down at the end of the night, you know, that can benefit you. And it can benefit your sleep, which can benefit your next day, which can benefit your relationship.

Like, you know, those are all important things. It's like the best thing that's been invented in the 21st century, right? But it's also the most dangerous thing. That's why we're losing the ability to connect, you know, we're losing the ability to communicate. And there's all of these things. But we think phones are the single most, the biggest threat to love stories. Yeah. I mean, the person that you could have married literally bumped.

into you and you didn't look up from your phone. Right. It's so true. It's the truth. It really is. And like also just affairs and all that. It's such a threat. Like it is. The access to things that you have on your phone. And it's false. Like it's not reality. And no one thinks to put a boundary on it. They just want to

they don't want to put a boundary on it. No. Free range. Like whatever, you know, and it's like. It's really challenging. It's a discussion. I'm so glad you brought that up. It's a discussion that I think our generation specifically needs to start taking seriously. And I think that we are like I think the like if I'm going to

have kids I'm going to be so aware of that to my children and so having those conversations and bringing that into the next generation I think maybe there's like a little saving grace there for the next generation but I it's just being aware and how you treat your phone even in front of

the kids you know but speaking of let's talk about your child. I love the name Amber how did you come up with that? Yeah, so embergene. Embergene, that's beautiful. And you want to tell a bit? Well, so we fell in love around a campfire pit.

So that was like, like most of our dating and friendship was around this campfire pit on Jeremy's parents. It's kind of a central theme in the book. It keeps recurring. So embers. I love that. And like, yeah, so embers, you know, there's a lot of symbolism in embers. They're enduring. They're lasting.

They're inviting. They're warm. They're sparks in a forest fire. It's the embers that go ahead and keep spreading the fire. And so they're the hottest part of the fire too And like, you know, I'm not going to lie I did wish that maybe she would have red hair But she doesn't but it's okay

It's okay Maybe if you have another Yes, exactly But yeah so you know fires have a lot And it's just a beautiful name It's like not it's like unique without being weird Yeah I love it You know how a lot of people are like coming out with these names

You're like pardon me Yeah I'm like what is that? Yeah so you love it She's amazing How do you think she has changed your outlook on life That's a good question Man I maybe she's just

You know it I feel like it's I think that she's made us Way more selfless Like when we found out we were So she was a surprise And when we found out we were pregnant We realized in that moment

That we found out how selfish we were Yeah we were like whoa whoa wait a second hold on Like we wanted to have kids We've always wanted a big family always But just we weren't ready Right and you're never ready but it was

you know I think we just realized to be honest like we cried that night we were like oh my gosh our old life is just in a and now she's like the greatest joy like brings us more life opens our eyes makes us more aware to things like we're re-learning

things about ourselves about each other about just life through her lens it's incredible kids are the I mean you know you have nieces and I feel like I can't imagine my own. Oh my gosh. Like, it's so fun.

Yeah. So we love it. We love her. I miss her. When you get to see her. So hard. Two days. Saturday.

Yeah. This stretch was a long one. Do you guys have a dog by any chance? No, we have a cat. I know we're weird. No. I love all animals. I'm an animal freak.

Pine the kitty. She's a rescue kitty from a ranch and Central Oregon and she's. No one cares about our cat. I do. She's a good cat. I love it. It's a rescue. I love it.

So we want to have some land before we get a dog. Yeah. So what, you guys don't obviously live on a farm right now? No. Do you dream of living on a farm? Well, our office is at the family farm. Okay. 110 acres, you know, so we drive.

So you get to have the benefits of the farm. Yes, exactly. So we drive there every day. Our office is there. We go for walks and all that kind of stuff. Oh, that's beautiful. We were in, like, we were in New York City just a couple days ago. And there's people walking around like huskies, like Manhattan.

I don't understand that. What does not make sense. That's sad for those dogs. Yeah, that breaks my heart a little bit. Me too. Even when we lived in L.A. I was like sad for some of those dogs. Like the ones that lived in the city

because you just take them out and they pee on the same 10 foot radius of sidewalk or patch of grass. It's like, have you seen the movie The Life of Pets? Yes. It makes me sad.

I'm like, those poor animals. I know. Just like stuck in a little apartment. Is it weird we all just admitted to watching The Life of Pets? There's, there's my confession. I've watched it twice. That should be our confession.

I've watched it twice without any children. around okay okay yeah that is a confession once when i was just like at home with my dog and then the second time on a plane because i was like i love animals that's funny that is funny um so we'll just get to a couple questions from listeners and then oh wow cool and that's all the time we have but people really love you guys a lot of questions for you i'm just going to ask a few oh my gosh the last the last picture on my where are you asking these from it instagram yes nice okay so Instagram of people that follow the podcast

Yeah, yeah My last photo, I took screenshots of the questions And my last photo, that's my eyeball Wait, well, what? Yeah, I just came from an eye exam. Why? That's a nice eyeball. No, no, I was just doing my... Checking it? You know what, Jason said, Babe, I really need you to check your overall health all the time

And he made me an eye appointment. Oh, bless him. I just got so excited that I got my earphones out of it. Bless him. amazing yeah it was super cute like he was like you know we should really make sure we're always healthy and on our like and so he's like teeth and eyes are very important to your heart health and so he booked me he went and found a place around my house for me to go get my eyes checked and booked me an appointment so there's my eyeball wait that right there says a lot about him though

that's amazing oh he's just what a keeper just a sweetheart like he just wants to take care of the people he cares about it's really sweet anyways back back to the question's not my eyeball okay Paige McGee says, oh my gosh, I'm so excited for Jeremy and Audrey to be on OTV. Question, what is the one thing they loved about their wedding that wasn't shown or shared on their LPBW wedding episode? Yeah. Should I say it, babe? Yeah, I mean, it's an easy answer. Oh, it's an easy answer, is it?

Yeah, it's our first look. Oh, is that no. Oh, that was like a personal thing for you. Yeah, we fought for that. Yeah. We like fought in the contracts. We're like, I bet we're not going to wear a mic during this. There was a sense of secrecy that we wanted to, like, retain, and that was one of those moments.

Yeah. Well, I'm glad you guys did that because you're sharing, you know, a lot. So it's nice to have certain moments, of course. Aw. Do you have it documented anywhere, or is it just? Yeah. We had our video, like, we had a personal wedding videographer there. And they, yeah.

That's sweet. Okay. So Coach Steele Beauty wants to know how you're handling, your family is still filming, but no longer filming do you just avoid cameras or do you visit when the cameras aren't there yeah yeah good question so i like to say i i like to say we how do i say this i like no no no i like to say i quit i may have quit little people world but i didn't quit my family course so it's like jackson jackson's my nephew they're going to have a birthday party we're going to be there yeah if anything it helps our causes you need to tell me we get to be on tv without the contract it's like awesome perfect yeah yeah okay great uh and

And I already asked you this one, so we don't. But this just wanted to give her a shout out because Gabs wanted to know how single people could relate to your book. But I'm glad I asked that. Yeah. Awesome. ESB 820 wants to know who misses Jeremy's long hair more. Yeah. I honestly.

I don't know. I actually don't. Like, I love it right now. I love it right now. Yeah. It's a great haircut. I think I might miss it in like a couple years, but right now I love it. I know it's growing.

I met Jeremy. So, like, cover of our book, he has this really long curly hair. Yeah. But I met Jeremy when he looked like this. So when he cut his hair, he hadn't cut it in five years. And it was kind of like going back to all those feelings of falling in love. Yeah. For me, it was like, knowing we're going to come to all this media, I was like the last thing I want to think about is my hair.

Right. He got so stressed out of it. I don't want to spend the brain calories on it. And so anyways, we cut it. We raised $15,000 for charity water, which is pretty amazing. We literally built a well with Jerry's hair. That's amazing. Amazing.

It's kind of cruel. Well, then if you want to grow it back again, then you can. Yeah, going back to the phone. Give more people clean water for cutting hair. Why not? Sounds like a great trade. So you miss it, but you also did something well with it. Yeah.

Well with it. Yeah. People's Instagram names always make me laugh. I know. That short girl, 16. It's like aim all over. Yeah. We love you.

Mine was like candy kiss. Mine was tall dwarf. No, that's bad. Yeah, that's really bad. But, I mean, I was in a, well, I don't know. It was like if anyone was, only you could do that. Exactly. Yes, exactly.

Only I could do that. 100%. In fact, that's so PC incorrect right now. Well, it was back a long time ago, and it was your family. It was like 19, whatever was, 99, yeah. There you go. And if anything, you're like saying, I'm the tall. Yeah, I'm the tall one here.

Yeah, it's not like you're, you're not exing the name. dwarf you're like i'm the tall dwarf i like that i'm a long time listener of both your podcast and i love you guys question for i love how people call you guys by your nicknames would you geron oge yeah uh what would you guys say is the most rewarding aspect of writing the book hmm definitely hearing people's response to reading it of course yeah yeah yeah no question yeah for sure way more like it's so cool to see our book climbing charts and all that but it's like deep heart meaningful to read people's response to it yeah because we labored on that book for years and i was going to say how long did it actually take you to to your process wow wow but we

wrote it in three months and then here's another thing i was like months of editing yeah intermittently here's another thing i want to say though we wrote every word yeah that's amazing like we wrote it nobody else for people for people in our position i guess is like kind of rare and so i i like to be able to say that And so I'm going to say, like, we wrote every word. You should be very proud of that. And especially because, you know, even though you've had a long couple days, you're both very well-spoken. And if you can do that on your own and write every word together, that makes the book so much more special. And for people to read that knowing that is really important, I think.

So thank you for sharing that. When you two were writing it together, was it challenging to go back and relive some of these things? Or did it kind of bring you closer and be like, you know what? I'm glad we got through that. I think everyone should rewrite their love story at some point, whether it's published or not, whatever it is. Like pick up, buy a journal, buy a journal, and over the course of like 20 date nights, just start sketching out your love story, how you met. Because one day, yeah, one day you're going to want to look back and relive those feelings, those emotions. So for us, it was a special, special experience.

Rereating the letters. It was like therapy. Yeah, like therapy. It was probably therapeutic because even now, it was a special experience. because even now I sometimes regret not writing things down because I'm like I don't even remember a relationship that I was 22 like 11 years ago and I'm like that scares me because I want to remember this right now in 11 years am I going to forget things like writing it down that's so special that you guys have a book

to look back on but it was difficult and like we definitely chose an interesting writing style we actually scrapped the whole the whole beginning when we're like three chapters in this isn't working we have to re kind of map this out a little bit It was tricky with two authors because we were like, who's going to tell what story? And then we also had topics we wanted to cover. But then sometimes the story didn't match chronologically with the topic. So that's why I said, this is us. That's where it kind of like.

But then we wanted to still make it flow good. Yeah. So it's like hopefully it turned out. I feel like we did a really good job with it. But yeah, it was tricky. Well, I mean, you're here doing media rounds and you're on Amazon and you're below. Who was it, did you say? Michelle Obama.

Michelle Obama. So I think you did okay. We just passed Rachel Hollis, which is fun. Oh, gosh. love her but like I literally was like I literally was like this is not this is unreal yeah what's going on and this is happening we didn't even think we'd be on the Amazon charts we're like not even well you are and you're up there I can't wait to read it it's pretty special thank you so much for for sharing your story and being so real and coming here and and next time I'm in Portland yes

or Seattle or Seattle we'll be in Seattle when we're going to be in Seattle for our book tour I don't know I can't remember but there's going to be I'll be there a lot. Hey, if you're in Portland, let us know. Yeah, but let us know. I will, I will for sure. And where can people find everything? Yeah, so we got a lot of irons in the fire, but if you just head to the rollofs.com, pretty much everything we do is there.

Oh, perfect. And then we're just our names on social media. Audrey Roeloft, Jeremy Roloff. We're big on Instagram. Okay, perfect. Do you guys do a lot of Instagram stories and stuff? That's our thing. Well, now I'm going to be hooked.

I like, I like, you guys. If you like kids. Yeah, I love kids. Oh, yes. Great. Then you'll love following our Instagram stories. And I love love. Who doesn't? Well, thank you guys so much for being here. Really appreciate it.

I hope you had fun. It was a pleasure. Yes, we did. It was so fun. Good. Probably the most fun one yet. Yeah. That's what I started for. Different questions than like a lot of them. Okay, good. That's what I always hope for. And now do you get to relax for the rest of the night or do you have doing a signing tonight, which is going to be fun.

Mount Juliet. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's by me actually. Books a million at Mount Julia. Amazing. Oh, good for you. Just sign in books, whatever. I know. It's so crazy.

It's crazy. Well, enjoy this ride. Thank you. Thank you. And take it all in. And I feel like you are both people who live in the moment. So just keep doing that. And thank you for your words.

Thank you. I'm Caitlin Bristol. I'll see you next. Thanks for listening to Oscar Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Get new episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast1.com. The Podcast One app. and subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Who's done with OTV?

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