Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Joe Amabile & Jill Zarin | The Realities of Reality TV: Drama, Edits, and Veteran Wisdom!

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

#742. This week on Off the Vine, Kaitlyn Bristowe welcomes reality TV stars Joe Amabile and Jill Zarin to discuss their new show, "The Goat," on Amazon Prime. They talk about the highs and lows of reality TV, and share personal stories about dealing with public perception and bad edits. Jill opens up about a particularly harsh experience involving a hate site dedicated to her, and how she copes with the pressure of negative public opinion. The conversation gets real as they talk about the impact of anxiety in today’s society and Joe’s strategies for staying grounded, including limiting his phone use! They also address rumors about being difficult with producers and share their thoughts on the recent high-profile divorce of fellow reality stars Gerry and Teresa. Join Kaitlyn for a fun, candid, and insightful conversation with these three reality TV veterans! If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE! EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (8:00) - Kaitlyn and Joe explain her season of The Bachelor to Jill. (15:32) - Joe and Jill talk about their new show “The Goat” (24:08)- Jill talks about dealing with bad edits and public criticism. (34:04) - Discussion on anxiety and staying grounded in the digital age. (39:11) - Addressing rumors about being difficult with producers. (43:59)- Thoughts on Gerry and Teresa's divorce. Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine podcast. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow, today in the studio. We have Jill and Joe, aka Grocery Store Joe. And from The Goat, the new reality TV show The Goat, we talk all about your gameplay, how Joe's such a strategic little asshole on it. Just kidding. It was just like a fun, normal conversation.

And we talked about your experience on the show. Where was the premiere in L.A. at a restaurant? Yisabelle. Yisabelle on Fairfax. But they created like a stage. They literally created a set for the show. It was incredible.

I can show you pictures. It was incredible. Oh, yeah. It was a great. It was like they. And they made it interactive that you can do different things. Like they had a money booth. You know, the money goes up in the air.

Yeah, they put some money into it. It was like a really nice. It wasn't real money. It wasn't real money. It was a really nice party. Wait, so you, you born and raised in New York and now live in Florida. Yes. And have a.

House in the Hamptons. Yes. Have you adapted to the New York lifestyle? We have an apartment here. No, no house of the Hamptons, no. Okay, I'm much older than you. Yeah. Well, okay, so you were also on Real Housewives, like an original cast member.

First season. That's cool. Yeah, she's the first season. First season. I like to call myself number six. And what was like? I was the sixth housewife. What was your tagline?

Oh, I know who I am and I own it. I run with a fabulous circle of people. The people love that one. Oh, you get to switch. up your taglines? Well, I think we had one for two years and then they change it. I mean, it's a collaboration because they'll give you some and then you come up with your own and with whichever one they pick, they pick. I wonder what, have you ever thought about what your tagline would be if you're a housewife? If I was a housewife. Yeah. You know they do taglines?

Hmm, I don't know. Leave me alone. Joe's very funny. Leave me alone. Let me be. Let me be. I don't want to be housewors. Oh my God. I don't want to be yours. I don't want to be housewife. He was a great housewife actually in the house of 14. Okay, tell me about this show. Because I had Joe. on before and we kind of talked about it. But I think I was a little bit drunk last time that we did a podcast. Oh, that's fun.

Yeah. How come I didn't get on that one? We were drinking. Yeah. And I had to add like three other podcasts before him. So I'd been drinking on those. And then he came and I was like, whatever. So people at home might be like, yeah, you've already talked about this, Caitlin.

But tell me, like what kind. It's a competition. Competition reality show. Okay. 14 celebrities from different shows. Yeah. Get together. It's meant to be funny.

Yeah. Daniel Tosh is the host, which often there's no host. Okay. I need to stop you right here, though. Because everyone keeps saying 14. Yeah. But I'm always counting third. Oh, yeah, never mind.

Who did you forget yourself? Myself, yeah. Oh, my God. I can't. I can. And by the way, this is real. Hold on. This is really, Joe.

It's not like he doesn't make it up. I actually solved that problem. Out loud with us right now. No, no. I solved it the other day. And then I just forgot that I solved. You have Miami F1 tequila brain. Yeah.

So cute. Fair enough. So cute. But it was only, it was short-lived seven and seven. seven. It went to seven and six pretty quick. Well, it's an elimination show. It's an elimination show. Okay. So each week somebody's eliminated. Correct. And how do you decide who's eliminated? Does a house do it together? Is it voting? Like what happens? Go for it. Okay. So there's a host, Daniel Tosh,

versus like Big Brother where there is no host. Right. And we all live in a house. It's an elimination show. There's two teams. Teams are chosen by the goat. So there's a competition where one person wins. That person becomes the goat. The next day there's another competition, which is a group And the goat gets immunity. Well, the goat chooses the teams and is immune. Okay. So we learned very into this show, which team you should be on. That's not a...

So because I figured out the math, and of course you want to be on the team that the goat is not on because then you're percentage-wise less likely to go home. Oh. Because if, imagine, if there's four of us and you can't go home, which team do you want to be on? You want to be on the other team because if you can't go home, then I'm going home. Right. But what happens is You feel like it's a popularity contest

So if you don't get chosen to be on a team You feel like shit Like in the first episode Which you'll see I don't get chosen by the person who's the goat Right And I feel like shit I'm like well that feels terrible

I didn't get picked I feel like I'm in high school I was just going to say That's so triggering for when you're like Very triggering But then I realized maybe halfway through my time there That actually it's a benefit to not be on that team Oh

It's also It's just an ego thing total ego thing, which I didn't even realize. And it's also not good. Like, for you to feel that way is totally okay. I'm validating your feelings. But when you are playing a game, you actually, that's like a negative. Yeah.

Because you actually have to look at this like we're just all pieces in a game. Yeah. Like we're not actually people, even though we are, don't you? Oh, some definitely took it personally. I mean, you see in the commercials that's, you know, somebody took it very personally with me. Very personally, who? You have to watch. Jill's giving it away.

Jill's giving it the show away. I don't want to give it. No, no, I don't say who. No, no, I'm getting you excited to watch it. Yeah, no, it's true. She's teasing. Now I want to do it in. Right, you want to know who's coming after me.

Well, the thing is when you put all these people from all different genres and shows, people are bound to butt heads and get, and let their emotions take out. They're all A personalities. Well, and you're all in competition, ego mode, and then you all have these different classion personalities. My question is, like, do you think they cast for the way they cast, like, Real Housewives, Bachelor, for, like, certain personalities? Well, this is funny. Tosh says in the commercial that they got the best 14 celebrities that were available at the time.

Yeah. We don't think I saw him. It's true. He's so funny. He's so funny. But actually, it's true because people are filming and doing. So it's like whoever they could, not whoever they could get, but the 14 different. But they had all different shows.

Some people were competition shows. Some people were romantic shows. I'm a housewife. Yeah. I was the oldest in the house by far. I will say to your question, I think, yes. I think there's a strategy to casting a show like this with the personalities you cast. Because there has to be a rhythm to it.

Yeah, there has to be because. That's true. Yeah. I feel like they really, like casting people are brilliant. Yeah. Like it's really, and Elon does the show, right? Like he's the executive. Oh, yeah.

Producer of it. Was he at the premiere? Oh, he did The Bachelor. Yes. Oh, they were great. I, he's, like, still someone I'm very close with. And Bill? Do you know Bill? Yes.

Yeah, he was the, he was the show runner on the show. Also very funny. Fantastic. Oh, I forgot that Bill was a producer on, I met Bill before I was the Bachelorette, so like nine years ago. How did you become a Bachelorette? Like, go on the show in general. Like, I was on the Bachelor first.

Yeah. And then you were like the, I don't know what you called runner-op or someone close. You were third place. Still on the podium. And they liked you. She was a fan favorite. She was a fan favorite. But not by, I was a fan favorite.

favorite, but the head of the show didn't want me to be the bachelorette. So then they brought in two girls and the guys had to choose who was going to be the bachelorette. So it was me against another girl. I feel so bad for the girl. Oh, I felt terrible for her. This was, I forget that this is one of the meanest things. Runner up one and two? No, she was like, what happened to runner up number one? Well, she got married to him, Irving. No, that was the, that was the, right. Okay, the one got married and then there were three tops. So you were the second, and then there's a third. I was a third. Then there was a second. What happened to the second? Becca Tilly.

She's gay. Yeah. So she's... And that wasn't going to work out with her. And then... But Britt, the girl who I was against, was like, I don't know, seventh place or something. And they brought her in...

She's gorgeous. Okay. But then everyone... So are you, by the way. And the guys chose. The guys chose... So they had to choose who they wanted to be their bachelor at. And it was Caitlin.

So then the other girl just had to go home. Wait a minute. So the next season comes and all the guys are in the house. who were going to be perspective, whatever, and they get to pick which one they're going for by popularity contest. They had to put roses in one of our boxes. That's terrible.

Did they tell you how many, or they just said who the winner and the loser was? They made it seem like it really close, but I remember Ben Higgins. I remember when I sat down next to him and he was like, do you want to know if you want or not? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, buy a landslide.

And then I watched it back and I'm like, that seemed pretty tight to me, but like the power of editing. That was nice of them, though. It was nice of him. That was nice. No, it's nice that they didn't do that to her. I wouldn't want anybody humiliated like that.

But that was humiliating. It is terrible. I know. I felt terrible. No, so it's bad enough she lost, but to say, oh, and it was a landslide. That's mean. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean.

He didn't say it on, it was on camera. No, I know that. And it's years later. But I'm just saying because I'm always like, you know, a mama bear. I don't like that. I like that you're like the oldest on the show and a mama bear. I feel like that's, did you feel like you were like a motherly role on there? Very much so.

Really? Very protective. Who is your favorite and least favorite on the show? Well, Joe was my favorite. So many reasons. Jill taught me how to cook sauce Sunday sauce. He did. And it's so good.

And it's so good. It is really good. And it's simple, but it's so good. So good. There is a clip of Jill baking banana bread, banana, banana chocolate. Yeah, and they're telling me it's raw. It wasn't raw. It was a banana.

I'm going, are you sure it's not raw? And it wasn't. No, it was just a banana. It was just a banana. It was a banana soft. Yeah. Okay, because I am the queen of banana bread. So there's no way I would make it wrong.

and yet they actually let me, let people think that I didn't make it right. Is this part of the competition as banana bread? No. Oh, it was just this is just, I cooked like breakfast, lunch and dinner for the house every day. And somehow Jason got all the credit for cooking. He didn't cook for the first week and a half. Jason did a lot. I mean, you're not giving him credit.

No, no, no, no. I'm going to tell you, the first week and a half he was sulking and he did not cook because I was very aware of the fact that he refused to help me cook at all. Who's Jason? Because he was like on, you know what I mean? Like holding a grudge a little bit and then he let it go. Okay, Jason's a chef who's from a cooking series. A baking shabaking show.

Okay. Anyway, I don't want to give anything away, but we'll talk later. I think Food Network. I think Food Network. I cooked a lot. So, and there's, okay, what is your favorite? I cook chocolate chip cookies every single day. That's baking.

Yes, I did that. Oh, you did cooking and baking? But, yeah, I made chicken soup. I made salmon. I made everything. Yeah, you did make a lot of soup. I made a lot of soup because soup feeds a lot of people easily. Chicken matzo bowl soup.

Oh, yum. I made Passover. Wow I did I made pass over That's amazing That's she to do That was Not myself

That's nice So at how many 14 people Oh wow They were all there Oh wow Plus the crew I fed everyone

Wow that's nice Wow that's nice So does everybody on the show Have a competitive spirit Or was there some people That were like I just don't have it in me I think once you

Once you Get into the house And you start a show like that I think it's almost impossible Not to Because you're like Once you're there You're like

Okay now I'm here I'm here Like, I picked up on it right after the first competition because we don't do shows like this, so we have no idea. And then when, like, you get into the house and then I want to say, like, within, after everyone's in the house, within 30 minutes, we're competing on the front of. Like, what kind of competitions are we talking here? Silly, ridiculous competitions. Like, not, like, I think of traitors where you're, like, jumping in the water and like, oh, okay.

Think of everything that I would be terrible at in that. Pretty much. Do they make you do stand-up comedy? Yes. Shut up. Somebody, one person may have had to do that. Okay. Oh, just one.

Well, I thought everyone was. I had a whole thing written. So I don't know what we could say and what we can't say, but there may or may not have been a talent show. Okay. So some, so I'm like, you know. Or a talent. By the way, well, shall I say a talentless show? Talentless show.

Yeah, okay. That was like when I went to on Gary's season of The Bachelor. You want Gary? Well, I mean, I was just hosting a date. helping host a date on this on the golden bachelor really yes and it was a talent show and it was so funny we did press last week for the show yeah and like a few of us did it together and cj who's from f boy island and then i'm from bachelor and the person interviewing us clearly has no idea who we are so so clearly tease up c j so cj how do you feel about jerry and trisa's divorce

No, no. She's like, who? I was like, this is for me, and it's Gary. Yeah. Oh, did they feel silly? Now, she actually just powered through. Oh, amazing. Yeah, it worked. And she's a comedian, which I didn't know. Who was it?

She's a comedian? I know now. Yeah, we didn't know that. Who? One of the girls in the house. One of the girls on the show. She was funny on the show, but she was real, she was like you. Wait, CJ?

CJ, do you know her? She was interviewing? Or she was being interviewed. Oh, was she on the show? Oh, was she on the goat? Yes. Oh, I only know her because people would tag me sometimes and say that I look like her a couple of times.

You think so? Oh, well, I know you both. So, no, I don't think so. I don't see it. I don't even remember what she looks like. You have bright blue eyes. Oh, she's dark eyes? Yeah. Oh, well, just kidding.

Yeah. Okay, but she's funny. She's funny. She's hysterical. Really? But the thing is kind of like Joe, watching the show is not living with Joe. Yeah. Because Joe, I don't even know if it was a game or strategy.

I still don't think it was. I mean, he could take credit and say it's game and strategy. I think Joe is Joe is. I just think he is who he is. But he's very funny one-on-one interviews. Behind the scenes, because I'm watching it now, and he's got all these one-liners and funny things and just sitting here is funny.

So you don't think that I... I don't think it was the slickest player in the house. No, I think it was an accident, actually. It was an accident. You were accidentally... I'll talk to Serena later. I get... I've never in my life gotten credit for anything.

Zero credit. I hold everything that I've done, I've just been... Zero. Well, you tell us. 100% luck. It's 100%. When I talk in interviews, I just go with them. Like, I'm just lucky.

Yeah, that's tell us what your truth is. What do I think? Yeah. Truly, honestly think. What is your truth? I think, I think I'm a lot slicker than people. Give you credit for. Give me credit for.

Or believe. Okay. Huh. Because I was going back and forth in the house a little bit. Well, if you were, but you were, you were, you were doing. I was called, I knew, like, we were always on this kind of on a similar page. Oh, most of the time. Yeah.

But the competitive, like, strategy, like, did it benefit you to be the, the nice funny guy or was it like strictly based like did it matter who you were as a person or was it really about how good you were at something okay so i will say a big part of the shell is the social game so like you know it's similar to like a big brother or survivor because it is all about the numbers you know because or you get voted out yeah so you have to have people want you there like you maybe not be worried about how competitive you are so there's like there's little things like that. It depends on where you are in the game.

I think in the beginning of the game, it's more social because you have to live with these people. I mean, that is definitely an aspect of it. So if you're like a bitch or you're just not fun to be with or just boring and you have to pick people to go home and you have a choice of five people and one is like not participate, whatever, then that's easy pick to pick out.

As you keep going into a show, I think, it gets harder because you're getting closer to the money. The money is $200,000. And you're getting closer to everyone. And you're starting to think, well, what happens if? Because sometimes the competitions are physical, sometimes they're mental. Yeah. I mean, that's in all these games, even Big Brother.

You don't know what at the end it's going to be. Is it going to be something that I would beat you, you know, like a word game or is it going to be physical? So you're always trying to figure out who do I want to be standing with at the end. And the truth is, you might be wanting to stand with me or not me. Because maybe if it's a word game, you may not want to stand next to me. But if it's physical, you definitely want to stand next to me. You're going to kill me, right? But you don't know.

You don't know, right? Okay, so the games were funny and comedic. Yeah. And that's pretty much what they wore. But the social aspect of it of like trying to stay alive and alliances and all that was really intense. Okay. It was actually like a lot of fun because that's when. Give me high five.

Come on. Right. Come on. Because that's what you really had to turn it on because it was like, like Jill said, if you're on the team with the goat and that team loses. Yeah. you're one of potentially one of three people that are going to get voted out and you may not have even you would have thought you're definitely safe and then you're like because you're person who won but the person with what does the runner up get so the winner gets 200,000 dollars nothing zero zilch oh shit you get to say I made it to the end and is it something like is it something crazy at the end where if like it's between two people like you know what have you ever watched traders yes yes you know at the end it's like this oh that's terrible it's not like that it's very clear yes that was horrible yes that was horrible Well, we can't, yeah. By the way, Mama Jill did not like that at all.

That was mean. That was mean. That was mean. I hate that. I didn't like that either. I would never go for that. Okay, so it's not like that. Well, we can't really say, but I will say it is. No, it's not like that.

Okay. I can say that. It is not like traitors. It is not mean. Okay. The show is not meant to be mean. It's meant to be funny and engaging. And there are, you know, mean moments and someone might do something mean,

but the overall thing is you're supposed to laugh with us, laugh at us. That's what it's meant to do. Was there anyone there that did not understand the assignment that didn't have like a great personality that had to go home soon because, oh, okay. Sure. You have a mix of people. Absolutely. Okay. I guess so that makes sense.

People get moody. Some people are easy to live with than others. Do you know, you know, she almost went on it. Yeah, I did almost go on it. You would have loved it. I kind of wish I did now. Yeah. I was like, Alon, I need to watch it first.

That's fair. But if you get on it, you'll call me. So 14 people, over how long did you film? A month. Up to a month. People were there up to a mom. And so you're her favorite. Who is your favorite?

Obviously, Jill. Jill, of course. Obviously, Jill. And then was there anyone you guys didn't get along with who you could tell us? Or is that like a stay tuned and find out? I think stay tuned and find out. But for the most, like, it's just hard. What was?

Because you might not like them. You might just not vibe or be aligned with them. Yeah. Well, of course. Yeah. There's always going to be people that you just, that you just don't vibe with. Listen, you know, it's like in Big Brother. You know, the house thinks.

there's this whole thing. I don't know the expressions like going with the numbers, right? So sometimes you think the house is going with the numbers and then things surprise you. And the house doesn't go. And then the one person that thought they were safe, the whole house turned on you. And you had no idea. Oh. And you had no idea.

You thought, you know what I mean? People are very good liars. Very good liars. Especially, what if it's like a competition? Like you'll do whatever. I would like hide in my bed and cover my. If I was safe, I would like literally go in my room and hide. Because I don't want to, you know, be mean or say or not tell the truth because I always tell the truth.

I usually, I do. I tell the truth, even if you don't want to hear it. I like people like that. I feel like you're similar. Not everybody appreciates it. No. You tell the truth. Not everyone appreciates it.

I like, I feel like I'm trying to crack a code here. There's someone and I want to know who. I'll tell you after. What are you guys the most excited for viewers to see out of this whole experience? Well, I filled the house up with crystal manifestation candles. I'm hoping that they make a lot of show. How many did I bring? How many did I bring?

The house was branded Jill Zerrin. Jill's Aaron home. I had rugs. Every day there were packages of her rugs. Pickle ball paddles. No way. Oh, yeah. She'd light all her candles and that I would just see right before the scene would be shot.

Oh, yeah. I'd just see a producer come just take, take, take, take. No, that was halfway through. I got them in, but, you know, I think they cut around to all of it. I'm so mad because Amazon said it was okay. Oh, really? They didn't have to. Amazon, I got it approved.

They sell them on Amazon, so why would they not? Wait, you have crystal candles? Crystal Manifist Day, and I would have brought, except I came from Not My House. That is, like, right up my alley. You'll give me your address. We will send you a ton. I am obsessed with crystals in general. I have so many.

And then I, Crystal Candles, I'm like such a basic bitch for a candle, but a crystal candle. I'm going to tell you that the people who do well on the show were very into my candles and crystals. I'm just saying it's true. And you'll find out when the show is completely over. Yep. Joe, are you a big manifester? Spirital. Not really.

Sending him out there. Not really. But you might do it without knowing. I think he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe, maybe. But I will say, you manifest. You absolutely manifest. Yeah, I meditate.

Same thing. There you go. That's the same thing. I will say what I'm excited for people to see though is even you, like we're, the shows we did are so different. So we're shown, people are going to see a different side of us. So that's fun. And it's not like, Caitlin, you know this.

Like when you're on a show like The Bachelor, people are judging you as a person. Right. And that cannot always be the greatest. right and it always it doesn't always feel good in it and that's not called the bad edit but no but and it causes a lot of like anxiety yeah but what i'm hoping for this show and i and i kind of feel like this is going to happen because i've already listened to a few things yeah they're really judging you on your gameplay okay so it's not you're not really being judged for who you are as a person which is which is so much nicer yeah i feel like that is i mean obviously before you go on a show like the bachelor the bachelor the bachelor you don't realize

that you're going to be judged the way that you do. So then coming out of it, you see how much people absolutely just hate you for like being yourself. And so I get jaded to go. Did you have hate as a bachelorette? Probably some of the most hate that any bachelorette has ever gotten. Jealous? No, I got slut shamed.

Slot shamed. Yeah. I know. That's terrible. I'm sorry. I had sex and it was a big thing. Yeah. Big thing.

Huge slut. Huge slut. Huge slut. I like to put cameras in everyone's house who's slut shamed you. Oh, me too. Me too. Yeah, it was wild. But I feel like I get scared to go on other TV shows now because I'm so scared of like,

okay, I'm like that 0.01% of people who got the good edit or they put me in the Bachelorette role and I, of course, still got hated on. But I'm like, what could they do to me on this show? I don't know. Well, you have to. It's a nice. Yeah, I've gotten killed on shows and I've gotten bad. You know, I've been on TV a lot longer.

Yeah. And, you know, you just have to be like, ignore it all. And I'm not kidding. If you can't, if you can't literally close it and not open it up, it's, it's hard for you probably have you always been able to to ignore no no it was really well you know when i was on tv there was no social media no no it started when i was got famous i it started so there were no doors there were no boundaries so there were blogs we were forced to write blogs and they didn't do close comments so bravo would allow all the hate and everything on there and they would

edit they didn't let them all in they didn't let all in the comments they edited them so if they wanted to give someone on the show a bad edit then they let all the hate it no way Absolutely. And I have proof, but that was years ago. Oh, that is. Oh, yes. Scary. So Bravo's like a mother-fri-and-and-you-don't want to. I mean, this is, you know, this was the game and I signed up for it. So, yeah, yeah. But also like Twitter, there was no blocking back then. You couldn't block people. You know how on Instagram? Yeah. Not only can you block them if their phone numbers tied to any other account, they're all blocked. Yes, I love that. They didn't have that. You know no restriction. So everything would come at you. You couldn't, no filter. That's the word.

There was no filtering out the hate back then. Yeah. So that was really the worst. There was a website called I hatejolzarin.com. No, no, no, no. Oh, my, yes, yes. And I will tell you. Oh, yes.

And I will tell you that the girl who created it died of a massive heart attack on her birthday at 50. And I don't want to say karma, but let me tell you what this girl set up to do, what this girl set up to do to hurt me and my family and my daughter. Oh, yes. Did you know her personally? No, she lived in Chicago. No, I had no idea who she was.

Are you sure? Sometimes it's the people that you, oh, no, no, because then you found out who she is. I know who exactly who she was. I know what happened to her. Oh, it was horrible. I didn't wish it on her, but, you know, it is what it is. And thank God, because otherwise that site would still be going. That's so sad.

Yeah, well, guess who won't I hate jillzarin.com now? Me. Jill Zerran. Yes. You might want to buy those, by the way. I'm not just saying. Oh, no, no, but now it wouldn't matter. Now it wouldn't matter.

That kind of blog. People don't read blogs anymore. Like, that's gone. Right. Isn't that gone? Like, people don't read. Pretty much. Yeah.

There's still, like, the Reddit, the Reddit, the Reddit articles are pretty terrible. See, I've never been on Reddit. know it. So thank God. Yeah, there. Sometimes people send me screenshots of what's being said. I don't care. I'm like, don't show me that. Anybody, I guess I say, in my real life, if I wasn't on television, would I be on it? No. So then that's my judge. If I wouldn't be doing it or on it, I don't need to hear who's on it. Yeah. Because those are not my people. That's so true. You never get hate, do you? I'm sure, but I don't, yeah, definitely. But I get hate hate you. Definitely. I can't

see it. You, you, I get it for sure. Especially because of, especially because the podcast. We feel so much better Because of the Bachelor podcast Yeah Why? What do people get mad at you for? Being hot, wearing a bachelorette Well, especially on the first one that clickbait Which was like the other Bachelor podcast

But I think just just giving an opinion That people disagree to Yeah, fair enough And I also think there are bots out there, I do I think there's a lot of nefarious things going on out there Yeah Okay, we played this game last time I'm going to play a game with you guys today

Do you remember this, Joe? We played it last time you're on. And it only feels fitting again because it's called the goat category. No, it isn't. I love it. I came up with it as all the categories from last time. So you only have five seconds to choose what you think holds the greatest of all time from this category. Okay.

Okay. You'll figure it out. Pizza toppings. Okay. Which pizza topping is the ultimate goat? Paparoni. Cheese. I'm with you, cheese.

TV sitcom. What? Do you want to defend yourself? I mean cheese. Well, I don't eat a popping. I just feel like cheese is on, like that's a given. Yeah, it's a given. Yeah, but I don't like top.

Yeah. Because then obviously it's cheese. Yeah, extra cheese. Okay, extra cheese. Okay. Babeson cheese. Basil. Okay, we're putting basil on.

Basil over pepperoni? Yes. Yeah, I don't like pepper. That's insanity. Basil is my favorite topping on pizza. Here we go. With mozzarella. See?

You and I. And the red pepper chili flakes. Oh, I love that. Yes. Okay, what TV show is the greatest of all time? Seinfeld. What did you say? Gilligan's Island.

Gilligan's Island. That's how old I am. Do you remember that? Yes. I didn't watch it, but I know what you're talking about. Brady Bunch, that era. Oh, I love that. I've watched Gilligan's Island.

You have? The Carol Burnett Show, like all those, that era. When I was. Life was so innocent. Yeah. There was no haters and there was no cell phones and there was slow mail so we didn't have to answer everything so fast. Yeah, but I bet Hollywood was still dark.

When I was a nine-year-old, I used to watch Nick at night. Oh, yes, yes. I loved it. And like, what was the... Did you watch Barney growing up? Are you afraid of the dark? No. Are you afraid of the dark?

Yes. But what was the other older show? I dream a genie. Oh, yes. Oh, I loved I Dream a genie. Yeah. No, I was saying Hollywood. The honeymooners.

Don't you like hear the dark side of Hollywood? Like that there's like, like there's conspiracy theories about Hollywood. Like what? Well, of course. Yeah. No, but like what I'm curious. What do you mean? Like the P. Diddy stuff that's all coming out.

Oh, well, the casting couch. That's so cliche. But I'm wondering if that was still a thing back in the innocent days of TV. Oh, I would say it was probably more. Yeah. Misogy. Watch the shows about how they treated women. Yeah.

Yes. Exactly. Sexist, beyond. Oh. But still, like, still innocent in a way, you know, like just life. Like, I remember when we didn't have email. Like, I have to answer people, like, all day long, they're like, between the texting and the emails, you know, I don't even look at my phone until 4 o'clock anymore.

Like, leave me alone. You have to wait a day. That's- You have to wait. People have to slow down and wait. But then if they have to wait, then you're behind and then you have to catch up. Well, then they're going to be behind because everyone's got to slow down. It's too fast. How do you slow down, though?

You slow them down. You just don't answer so fast. Slow it down. I go, go, go, go, go. And let me tell you my life is in shambles right now. I just went to the bathroom and my underwear. The part that's supposed to be in the crotch was on the side. I'm missing a nail.

I lost my wallet two days ago. You're a miss. I'm just. And it's because. Because I try and keep up with everybody else. Listen to me. Slow down. Okay.

You know what? Let's stop the podcast. I got to slow down. Yeah. To slow the podcast. I'm chill. You know what? I couldn't be any slower right now.

It's true. You know, anxiety is killing society. Mm-hmm. That's a rhyme. Anxiety is killing society. It is. Everyone's taking a pill for it. Everyone's taking pills for it because everything's, the screens, everything's in front of us.

I mean, who wouldn't be anxious except for Joe? How do you not be? Yeah. How do you stay so chill? I'm, I'm in a. person. You are? How often do you look at your phone? Are you on it all day? No, I'm not too bad with my He slows down. I'm not too bad on my phone. I'm not too bad. I'm always on my phone. I try. It depends what I'm doing and who I'm with. Maybe you need a filter in there. Maybe someone you need like an

assistant going through your stuff before you do. I do have that to filter it to get them to get it off of your phone. Like you don't need to answer everything. Oh. Yeah, I do have that and I still they're still giving you too much. Yeah. It's too much. And I've been doing this for about nine years now where I go well it'll slow down next month and then it doesn't and now I'm just an anxious maybe you need a turn off month maybe you need a turn off month a month a month I did a week and I was so behind on everything and it gave me more anxiety behind for who behind for them or for you always for them right them wow I feel like I'm in a weird therapy session right now we're in therapy excuse me Joe yes no it's like this is good right the couch and everything

is really giving therapy and I like I want you to I want you to slow down down a little bit. Okay. And then my anxiety levels are going to go down and I'm going to call you and go, thank you. And your life is going to get better. And love is going to be in your life. You don't get any credit for this. And your love is going to be in your life because you'll have time. Your brain is working so fast to respond to everybody who has time for anything. How long have you and Gary have been together? Five years? Oh, sweet. Yeah. I was married and I got divorced. I have a daughter. And then I married Bobby, you know, Zarin, who was like, my life. He died of cancer. I'm so sorry. I know. Six years.

ago. And then I met Gary like three days later. Three days later? I'm just kidding. I knew Gary from before. I mean, I knew him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we started dating after Bobby died. And do you have a foundation or something that you do? I do. Yeah. In the summer, it's going to be July 20th. Joe came last year. I did. You did. You did. It was a charity event in honor of Bobby. It's for thyroid cancer. That's really nice. A lot of gifting, right? The biggest gifting suite you ever saw. Like ridiculous. I didn't get a box. You didn't get a bag of stuff? You stayed too long. You see, They take them, right?

And they run. It's unbelievable. This year you got to put it in the car before you. When you get there, you take it and put in the car. I was really upset about that. I don't blame you because it's like thousands of dollars with a free shit. Oh my gosh. Yeah, like crazy.

And then what is it called? Jill Zarin's luxury luncheon. Cool. Good for you for you for doing that. I do it. I do it every year. I've been doing it 11 years. Wow.

I know. You can get tickets at I hatejilzeran.com. You can get tickets at I hatejolzarin. Please tell me that's true. That would be. Please have you're benefiting off that website. No. Oh.

It's shut down. I own it and it's not alive. But no kidding aside, that was so painful for me. I bet. Do you imagine waking up and seeing that? It was horrible. Did they get... So I went through it.

That's what I'm saying. So I've been through it and the way I've learned to cope with it is I just don't look at it. Yeah. Don't look at it. Don't Google yourself so you don't get all that influx of stuff. Have someone else filter it for you. Yeah. Send them, let them send you the good stuff.

Don't send me the bad. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to know. Because unless it's someone I care about. Like if Joe has... hated me, that would bother me. Right. But if a stranger hates me, they don't even know me.

That's true. What was your, like, edit on the show? Were you, like, a spicy, the Jewish mom? Jewish mom, being a good way. Oh, good. Oh, good. I feel like I got a good edit. Oh, I love that.

I think everybody got a real edit. Do you feel like anybody was mis- She's talking about the house. Oh, yeah, housewives. Oh, terrible last season. Oh. Terrible. No, first two years was great.

Third year was horrific. Fourth year was good. And then I was off the show. And then I did Ultimate Girls trip a couple years ago. and I would say that was a decent edit. Oh, that's ultimate girls' trip. So did you like, were you nervous to go do that again because of very much PTSD? But they paid very well for a week.

So it was worth it. The money made it worth it. Do you think they'll ever do like a bachelor, bachelorette, like, spin-off? Reunion? They should. No. I don't. Okay.

Because they would have done it already. That's true. They really just stick to their same formula. Yeah, I just, I don't understand. I never understood why they didn't do like a somewhat of a competition. they did a little bit it was winter games oh no not winter games bachelor pad oh that and bachelor pad turned and it did so well but that that that's what morphed into bachelor in paradise yes correct yes so wait you found found the love of your life yeah yeah oh see look how great

that was i know when you go when you go when you go away and film for that does that like annoy her is she like yeah go i mean i don't know if annoys the right word i think she would annoy me because i she missed you yeah she missed you it's hard yeah see this This is my, this is a me problem. I would be annoyed, but really I just wouldn't know how to express my feelings. It would just be me. I'd be sad because I missed them and I would be passive about it and be like, I'm annoyed, but really I'd be sad.

Okay. But we do, we do have. But you know that. Yes, that's a good thing. Yes. I'm very self-aware. No, no, but that's really, a lot of people are not. Yeah.

At night, we had access to our phones. Oh, that's nice. We could call on sake a night. So can I just say something about us? So somebody said about me, you know, describing me on, you know, said that, you know, I was like the most difficult, you know, with the producers or whatever. And I said, first of all, I don't think that's true. But second of all, well, you got your cell phone at night, didn't you?

And you got a massage and manicures on the weekends if you were there, didn't you? And you got good food when the food wasn't good, didn't you? Right. So I'm like, okay, so sometimes somebody's got to speak up and it's not always received great. I would request spray tans. I think we did. But we didn't get spray tanned. I don't think they had someone.

Yeah, I don't think. Tanning wasn't the top of the list. I got to tell you, I'm lucky, you know, there was a lot going on there. Tanning wasn't one of them. But, you know, that was part of the show is, you know, we would treat it very well. Yeah, no, they were great. Oh, yeah. They were amazing.

But you had to ask. Yeah, it was great. You know what I mean? Like, if you didn't ask for you, if I didn't like screaming else sometimes for the phone, and it's not because anybody was trying to hurt us, they're busy doing other stuff. Right. You know what I mean? So it's not the top of their list that I get my phone on my computer, but it's the top of Joe's list to call his wife.

Right. So, you know. That's true. I always, that's something that I regret about my time on TV is I wish I treated the behind the scenes a bit better. Like, I wish I thought about how they're, it's not just all about me and that I'm tired and fight. Like, these people are also like their family. I gave everybody Jill and Ali Crystal Manifistation candles at the end, I swear. I had Ali send more, right?

And I gave them to everybody. That's nice. And you cooked for them. Who did you do for them, Joe? Yeah, what did you do, Joe? Well, Sunday sauce. I'm actually, I'm actually, I do. I'm very easy to deal with.

Yeah, that's true. When I do a show, like, I don't, I really don't ask for anything. Oh, what would be like, if you had, you know how there's, what is it called a rider? Is that what it's called when you ask for things? Like, what would be in your top five things if you, or three even? Water. The basic necessity. Garlic air.

Water. Yeah, like, I like, um, sparkling water. Not flavored? No flavor? No. No. No flavor and... Tequila?

Any kind of booze in the house? Cold brew. Okay. So you did have a brew. Okay. Yeah, cold brew. I did like... A bed long enough to fit you?

Yeah, but I mean, that's that. Did they fit? We're going to have that. I mean, we did have twin-sized beds. Yeah, so you had a long bed. But I was actually still comfortable. By the time we went to bed, I was so tired. Yeah.

I mean, mine would be spray tan, Xanax, and a cell phone. See, that's bad. Spray tanx and a cell phone. My rider, you're going to die. Diet Coke. That's your one. Yeah. Which everyone knows.

Chocolate chip cookies. Yeah. I'm so predictable. That's it. Diet Coke and chocolate chip cookies. That's it. There's no one. No one.

I know that drinks more Diet Coke than Jill's there. I leave them everywhere. To be fair, they all end up like this. She pulls it up. No, no, but they all end up like this. But what do you think the bottle count is or just count of that you open a day? Probably 10 a day I open, but I don't drink them all to the bound.

Because I leave them places. It's terrible. But have you ever checked into like your blood, And like, definitely not. But I have great, I mean, I should pick into her. I have very good genes in my family. So I really push them to the bounds. I mean, my dad is 95. My mother's 89. My grandmother lived to 106. You're kidding. Other one to 99. No. So I really am pushing the limits. I am. And what was their guilty pleasure? Did they eat and drink and healthy life? You know, not even healthy life. I mean, chicken matzabal soup. I'm not kidding. I bet. I bet I know the answer because I had someone that did a study on the podcast. And they said that, Women live longer if they have community. Did your family have, like, a lot of help and community? Yes.

Well, amongst us, not help. Yeah. No, I mean, like your own village. You know why I moved to Boca? Why? Because I'm with my parents. I live in the same community as them. I'm three minutes from them.

So I take care of them. I take my mother to lunch every day because she had a stroke last year. But I mean, she's okay. And she had pneumonia in December. So she's weak, you know, her legs. She refuses to have a walker or anything. So I go to the house. I get her in the car.

I bring her to lunch every day when I'm there. I really, I take care of my parents. Like to me, that's the community. That's why they'll live forever. Yeah. Because I'm there. Yes, because you've heard of the villain. The guilt when I leave, every time I leave, I'm going to New York and my mother's memory

is starting to go a little bit. How many times did I tell her I'm coming here? And then she's like, can we have lunch tomorrow? I'm like, Mom, I'm going to New York tomorrow. When are you coming back? When are you coming back? You know, so I feel so guilty. So I get back there as fast as I can.

Yeah. That's nice that you have your family like that. It's important. Yeah. Do you ever see your family, Joe? No. No. I see my, of course I see my family, and I talk to it.

Where are they? Do you miss Chicago? Chicago, right? Chicago. Do they come visit? They don't really ever come visit, but I go there a lot. I still go back in. I mean, you've got many years ahead of you.

My parents are old, you know? Yeah. My brain just goes all over the place. But what did you think about Gary and Teresa's divorce? What did you think about it? Well, because I'm like, you've been asked this on other shows, and now I want to know your thought. My thoughts? Yeah.

I think for people in their later years in life to have to leave their community and pick up and move to a completely different state, I think is a stretch. I think that's actually very difficult. So why did she say yes? I mean, sure. Right. I didn't watch the show. Why did she say yes?

No, I'm with. In the heat of the moment? I'm with you there. But I do, I do think if it was cast it. in just one area like if they just cast it um i think serenosa said this like if they just cast it in like florida or like like one area maybe that would but but who knows i mean it's only the first one but it is kind i mean it was it was it was pretty quick i mean they got me ready got divorced i yeah i mean i think i think to be at that age and you get so excited i think they were probably so caught up in the

moment of like finding love again and being like oh we can make this work and then you logistically get out and realize, like, I've built my whole life here with my family, my grandkids, my kids, kids, like, all these things. So to decide where to go, I bet that was a huge. Is that what it was? I don't know anything about them. They both had big infrastructures. Yes.

And they couldn't figure out how to live in the same. And what did you think about, like, their, I guess, like, chemistry. Did you see it? I didn't. Yeah. I don't really know if I really ever saw that either. He looked boring. I saw at the beginning.

I thought it was boring. I love you. No one think he was boring? No, I think they all thought he was very sweet. And I think he... Doesn't sweet mean boring? Yeah, usually, actually. I'm sweet.

I'm not boring. Don't say I'm boring, Jill, because I'm not boring. You're not boring when you get to know you, but a superficial on the superficial, because you're quiet, people might take that as boring. Hey, that's fair. But you are not boring at all. Because when people watch you on the show, your interviews, it's going to be a whole new Joe people.

I'm just telling you, I don't know what you know from The Bachelor. if you like this on The Bachelor, but... You were on one episode. Yeah. Well, Bachelor in Paradise, but you are hysterically funny in those interviews. Well, I have an on and off button, you know? Same zies. It's just like, they're, and I kind of like, yeah, like, I need to turn it off.

Like, God bless, like, people that could just go 100% all the time, but I'm like, socially, I'm, I'm drained right now. So I need to chill out. You're a guy. That's a good thing, by the way, because women are hyper. generally, you know, more hyper and, you know, nesters and hunters. We're nesters. We're always gathering and fixing and not gathering. We're always, you know, cooking, cleaning, in our mental, you know, taking care of business,

all the details. We take care of the minutia. And the guys are hunters. That's more slow and steady business. You know, you're supposed to take care of the family, do the hunting, slow and steady. And we're the ones who are like running around in circles, and that's a good match. But don't you think that was like more back in the cavemen days and now? It doesn't change.

Really? So you think our wiring are, we're all still the same? Really? I do. Huh. You know, you can, I once took this class on selling. You know, you can step out of your box, like those A, B, C, D personalities. Yeah.

It's a whole study, you know. And if you're an A personality, you can step into a C for a little while and try to sell to a C personality. But you're in A. You're always going to go back to A. It's the same thing. We are who we are. That's true. You step out of who you are.

You can change for a little while, but you are who you are. Like your DNA makeup. Well, just you're going to go. personality everything about you is the way you are you can try to change and adapt to someone else to try to be friends with them because they're not like you so you have to change but doesn't work doesn't you're one of my you are you are you both i get why you guys get along this makes a lot of sense and it's i'm with a guy like joe i'm with a guy who's laid back gary hysterically funny yeah like but not quiet funny like is he in the world at all of tv or no no okay but he will be

He will be. He, like, runs, like, pickleball. He's the king of pickleball. Oh, I love. He doesn't play. He runs, he manages all the testing and all the behind the scenes. Oh, really? He's like the pickleball guy.

He's the guy. Oh, my God, amazing. And I sell pickleball paddles, Jill and Allie. Gorgeous. Do you play pickle? I love pickle. Oh, you're going to be getting all these pickles. Like her pickleball paddles are, I'm not just plugging her, her brand.

They're really nice. I'll pay you later. No, they're great. No, that's my, I'm going to, and I'll buy some for a gift. for my mom, too, because she would love that. Well, we'll send you plenty. Don't worry about it. But you'll love them. I like the one.

My favorite one is the, it's like the, it's like the rug's, I'm the rug queen. It's like the, it, the design is like the Beverly Hills Hotel. I have the Beverly Hills Hotel theme, like it says, uh, pickle ball club. So you pickle ball paddles. Crystal manifestation candles. That's under Jill and Alley. And then Jill Zaron home is rug, some furniture, um, tabletop. I just moved into a new house.

Oh, you got to see. You got to see. I'll have a pink and white, very much like the Beverly Hills Hotel, that collection. And then I have blue and white also. Okay, that's, I mean, I can't wait to look. Okay, what's, plug the show. When does it come out? When can we watch it and tune in?

The goat, you could actually watch the first episode. They dropped the sneak peek. It is on Amazon Prime's YouTube. Oh, sorry. They're dropping. Just regular YouTube. Okay. But it's Amazon Prime.

Oh, right. The channel is right. And then the show will be dropping on Prime. Thursday. May 9th, this Thursday. Don't know when this episode is coming. out. But May 9th, the first three episodes will be available on Prime. Check it out. You won't want to miss it. And then once a week until it's over, 10 episodes. That's smart to do

three episodes because then you get really into it because you want to binge. Is it, is it once a week then? And then it's once a week every Thursday night. Or every Thursday at what time? Like midnight. They actually drop it, I think, a little bit. No, they're not going to drop the episode at midnight. No, they do. Midnight on Wednesday, so then it's out Thursday. Now, I'll tell you why. This is streaming. So you've got the UK, California. in New York. So they actually started in the UK. So midnight UK time. Yeah. And then it goes across the world. Amazing. Wow. I forget how little I know with someone like Jill. You've been in the game a long time. It's hard to be me. I say it all the time.

Joe knows. It was so nice getting to know you. So nice to meet you. Joe, you're always one of my favorites. So it was good to see you. And thank you. Yeah, I wanted to do this with Joe. And you look so cool in your street style right now. Thanks. I was running around. Yeah. If I still got the head for the whole thing. Yeah, cool guy. And again, he makes the best spaghetti sauce. It really is the best spaghetti sauce. It really is the best.

It really is the best. I'm not kidding you. When I always thought like how good can like spaghetti sauce be. And then I had Joe's. I was like, wait, this is fire. It's so good. When he made it at the house, I mean, it's also, you have to have patience. Like that was this whole thing, right?

The garlic. You have to let that turn translucent. You know, some of the sauces I cooked in the house, I've evolved a little bit. Can you share? Yeah. Yeah. What's like the secret ingredient? Wine?

Depends. But you have to make sure you burn off the wine or it has like too much of it. But yes, red wine. Yeah. Garlic. But it depends what I'm making. If I'm just making just a red sauce. Garlic, but not too much garlic.

I think I was using in that house I was using too much. And it's quality too. You need the right. You need the good garlic. And you want San Marzano tomatoes. Oh. Did you do paste? I like tomato paste and I also use a little bit of um the little extract no the tomato paste but um I use a little bit of uh not not chili pepper flakes but there's like this collaborativeian chili paste I put a little bit of that in now it's yeah you put sugar in sugar no but in the house I would sometimes do it because we didn't have red wine right and I wanted a little sugar then there's a drink on the show huh was there no drinking oh no there was drinking there was drinking oh there was drinking oh there was like

drinking. Why don't you have red wine in the house then? We might have. We actually, no, we never had red wine. I used, I used the that grape. The kosher wine. Did I get kosher? Yeah, yeah. I think I got kosher, that cheap kosher wine, which is so good because it's all sugar. It's so good. Is it non-alcoholic?

No, it has alcohol in it. Oh, I thought you didn't drink at all. No, no, by the way, I can drink. I'm not like an alcoholic. I don't like, I don't drink because I don't love it. Okay, God. But, you know, I love peanut coladas or like mudslides. Yeah. Anything that doesn't taste like alcohol. Okay. No, it was actually, it was amazing.

He had a great time. But it was very stressful. And I did, I did drink on the show. Oh, yeah, I would always have, like, after the, once a day would wrap. I can't notice. After the challenge, I would make it, I would have a tequila. Oh, I didn't even know. Yeah.

Most people drank normal. Yeah, I would say most of the house was. So what you're saying is I, if I'm asked again, they, my chance might be gone now because I said no, once, I should go. I should go. A hundred percent. I should go. I should go.

Because they're not going to, they're not. One thing about Amazon is their game is not to, like, get you. This is not gotcha TV. Housewives is a little bit, and a lot of shows are a little bit of gotcha TV. Yeah. Editing and trying to make things happen that necessarily aren't happening. This show is meant to make you look in your best light, to have fun. It's funny.

It's a fun. And that's what I would want to be a part of is funny. I always think about, like, that would be fun to go on traders, but I'm like, serious. Oh, I'm not doing, I couldn't do it. Yeah. As much as, like, my ego would want to do it because I know it's a hot show right now. now, I could never handle that. First of all, it's just so mean.

Like, there's a lot of meanness going on. I couldn't handle it. And then at the end, if I get to the end and they do to me what they did to her, forget it. I'll have PTSD for 20 years. But this, but there is a serious aspect to the show. It is. What is the serious aspect? Everyone wants to win.

Oh, yes. Like, that is the, that's okay. Yeah. And that's okay. Yeah. But that is a thing. Yes. That makes sense.

Yeah. It's a thing that everyone recognizes that their team won't. Yeah. So, you know, don't feel terrible. It's not like one out of. Two. Is there spoilers out there? No. I haven't loved. What is it spoil of me? I don't. Yeah. What does the spoil of me? Like, has it been like leaked who on? No. No. I don't think so. Thank you guys both for coming in and I'm excited. Oh my God. I love you so much. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I am very excited. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday. Grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with Bud MGM Casino.

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