Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Joe Amabile: The Greatest Debates of All Time

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Kaitlyn, former-Grocery-Store-owner Joe, and KB’s fellow Canadian pal Bailey Stanworth are together in NYC debating all the important things in life including: real vs. fake martinis, married life vs. engaged life, and Chicago vs. New York. Plus, they are getting into one of the greatest new reality competition shows of all time, which is literally called The GOAT. Fitting, huh? Kaitlyn reveals that she was asked to be on the show and why she declined (at least for this season) and Joe teases what we can look forward to once the show is released. They’re also getting into Bachelor hot goss, the shows they’ve been binging, what married life looks like with Joe and Serena, and why Japan is on all of their bucket lists. They wrap with a game of GOAT, debating the greatest of all categories. Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: MUDWTR - Go to mudwtr.com/otvmudwtr.com/otv to support the show and use code OTV for 15% off.  MEATER - Shop now on MEATER.com for a lim ited deal: a special Father’s Day engraved MEATER, bundled with some other awesome accessories. Angi: Your home for everything home.  ThirdLove: Visit ThirdLove.com to find your fit and shop their bestselling bra, and get $15 off your first purchase!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I know. I'm like my, I keep looking at that. We just casually tip the stock. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's called there. Um, go to Rockos. Well, that's their Instagram. So it's a bar bar bar. It's a sports bar. Oh, sports bar. Oh, that's fun. Did you watch the game? Oh, that's cool. Um, I did watch the game. And I also realized that... Put the mic closer to your face. What are you new to podcast? I'm a lightweight now. I had...

Really? I had a beer yesterday and a vodka in soda and I was drunk. But you know, the first drink of the week, it usually gets me drunk. Oh, so you don't drink every... Is the vodka soda your go-to? No. Okay. What's the go-to?

My go-to is... It depends on the day and the vibe in the situation. I love an old-fashioned. I love an old fashion I will also do If I had to choose Like my go-to go-to It would probably be

Tequila soda with a lime But I also I do like a martini now Oh You're just degraded Literally your drinks are the same as me But what There's a real martini

And then there's not a real martini What do you do? What does that mean? Vodka or gin? I do vodka Gin Gin is a real martini What does James Bond drink

gin then i'll switch because i really only do it because i don't feel like james bond hey syri does james bond drink gin or vodka martinis please here's an answer from drinksmixer com james prefers his martinis with vodka not gin nice i i feel like i looked that up before really yeah i do okay well that's well i don't care about james okay i only say that because i love gin martini's and i was talking to this guy from Havenly who's an interior designer and he's like a gin connoisseur and he was like we should have a martini one night and he goes only if you drink it the right way and I was like what and he's like gin or vodka and I was like oh gin and he was like that is the correct answer so then I started

judging people on I turn into I call myself Hurricane Katrina if I drink vodka I am a f***ing nightmare really oh I'm mean I blackout I am like a disaster people don't want to be around me it's i i i jing just sounds healthy because it's like botanicals yeah it just sounds like it's good for you vodka potatoes those are carbs i feel like i feel like you're a happy drunk have you see me a sad drunk oh yeah but that was because i was going through a breakup that is true it was different circumstances it was dark times i passed out at a table with i sound like such an alcoholic but we went out member in chicago in chicago in chicago I have been drinking all day

and I literally had a nap at the restaurant in the booth. Well, should we talk about what you did last night when you were drunk? We'll get there. Last night. Oh, Joe, I'm so embarrassed. Okay, so welcome to Off the Vine podcast. So you have been living in New York for how long now? We just resigned, so we're going on

like a year and a month. That's crazy. That went by really fast. It did. And so you were in Chicago, like your whole life. Yeah. It was a whole thing that you wanted to stay in Chicago, and now you're in New York. Okay. That was...

Or is that a narrative? That's a narrative that I... Listen, I'm from Chicago. I love Chicago. Yeah, of course. I potentially see myself settling down there. Totally. I was never like, I have to settle down in Chicago.

Okay, that was just the... I think. It was a whole thing. I think. It's so long ago, anyways, it doesn't matter. But you like, are you loving New York? Because I feel like you're a New York vibe. I love New York.

Yeah. I would honestly, just meeting you feel like you. you were born and raised here. Yeah. I think New York is the best city in the world. Really? Yeah. Over Chicago.

Oh, yeah. Really? Well, if I thought Chicago was a better city, I lived there. Well, you plan on it. I think Chicago is a great city. I love Chicago. Chicago is one of my favorite cities. What do you think the best city is in the States?

Nashville. Really? Oh, yeah. Well, you know, that's why you live there. Well, I don't know if it's the best. I actually think Chicago's up there for me. Chicago, New York and Nashville are probably my favorites. Chicago I just can't do in the winter because I'm Canadian and turned soft

soft apparently but I just don't want to do it anymore. We're Nashville I'm like it's we just get tornadoes. Where are you from Calgary? Close. I'm surprised you even said that. I'm from Alberta. Oh, you're from Alberta. I knew that.

Well, Calgary's in Alberta. Yeah. You Americans can't. It's okay. You guys, I just learned Chicago has beaches. I didn't know that. You want to quiz me on Canada? Yeah, I do.

Well, I guess you are married to a Canadian. I was just in Canada. So did you have to do like a whole test on Canada or did she have to do a test on the states to live here? Right now she's going through the green card process. Oh, right. Because Warner Brothers wouldn't do it for her because they said I was too much of a pain in the ass when they had to do mine. Does that? It ruined the process for everyone.

I'm pretty sure she told me that. I'm pretty sure it was like Warner Brothers was like after dealing with Caitlin, we're not doing that anymore. Well, it is, it's a lot. It's a whole thing. So, and with the green card, it probably makes it easier or does it that you guys have, like, headlines written about you so you can prove certain things? Yeah. It does make that easier? Yeah.

Okay. So she's applying. So can she go back to Canada or did she have to stay here? So the green card that she applied. Why am I not doing this? The green card that she applied for takes longer because she wants to be able to go back and forth right now. Okay. Got it.

But you guys got married in the courthouse, which was so cute. Was that to get her a green card? No. That wasn't to get her green card. Hold on. That's what I would have done. I'm trying to get me arrested on the show. Jesus.

No, that was just honestly, we were starting the wedding planning process and we got excited and we did it. I love that. I love that. That's very sweet. Yeah, it was. It was sweeter than anything I've ever done. Really?

Yeah. It's like wholesome sweet vibes. Like just genuine. And you're like, shit, it's just us. Yeah. Like, we're doing this. And when we got there, I didn't realize like how intense it would be because I was just like, What's intense about it?

Obviously, you've probably talked about this on like clickbait, but I don't listen. No, that's fine. I have to drive. The honesty. Once the door closes and then, because like, I guess when you're getting like, you're having a big ceremony, there's a lot of prep and you think a lot about it. But this, I didn't, I wasn't really, I was just like, let's just go. I wore my like everyday clothes. And then like she's reading off like everything you've listened to on movies and.

It's like the, whatever it is, like the ceremony. And then like a tear drop starts coming down, Serena's eye. And I'm like, oh, whoa, like, we're really doing. You're just like hyper-present. You're like, whoa, this is happening. Okay. Did you shed a tear? Um, I probably shed a, like, a tear maybe.

I was, I did get a little emotional after. And then like, if you want, it's such a rush, like, after I was like, whoa. I bet. So it was just, was your, any family members there? No, Natasha Parker was there. She was the only one. Stop. I wasn't telling my family.

And then Serena told her parents. And then she's like, you're sure you don't want to tell my family? And I called my parents the day before. I'm like, hey, I'm getting married tomorrow. I'm like, yeah, you know, we're getting married tomorrow, but we still are going to have a ceremony. So I don't want to like room that for you guys. Yeah. And then like I told my brother, he was like, you're an asshole.

Like you're a selfish prick. Really? Like, how do you not tell me yet? Oh, shit. Did he get over it? Yeah. There's so many politics and weddings. I would do that.

My family would be bummed for sure. But if you're still going to, so you guys haven't done the ceremony in like actual. No, September. We're doing that. Oh, cute. Where? Charleston. It's on my bucket list of places to go.

I feel like that's becoming more normal, though. Like, I have a friend who got married in COVID and didn't tell anybody. She had two witnesses. And then two years later, she's just like surprise. But I think it makes it a little more intimate and special for like the couple. Well, when you think. think about it, what a wedding is for these days. I'm just like, where did the, the tradition of marriage or like back in the day when you look at it? It's like, Hannah and I were talking about this yesterday,

so I'm repeating myself. But the man, like your dad, like giving away to another man, like you're a piece of property. And then like the men married women back in the day to like own them. And they could go do whatever, but the woman was only there, so they knew where their kids were coming from. It was a whole thing. Yeah, and it wasn't it, I'm probably saying the word wrong because I'm an idiot, but

like a dowry. Dowery. Yeah. Yeah. What exactly is that? Honestly, I don't know, but it was patriarchal. Hey, Siri. What's a dowry? It's something of like almost owning a woman is like what I think of. That is given by bride's family to the groom

at the time of marriage. Like, sick. I hate it. It's like, now, now you take care of this female. Yeah, because it's not my problem anymore. Like, it's like passing ownership. It's fucking weird. I know.

So I like the non-traditional ways of marriage now. I love it. I mean, maybe I'm just like talking myself out of it because I'm like, I just haven't gotten married in two years of being engaged. But I honestly feel like I've never really been like, I need to get married. I'll just think like a wedding should be for the couple where like, and then all these outside opinions come in. And it's just like, I'm sure strips away any joy.

Yeah. And I feel like now our wedding is more of a party. Totally. And it's way less stress. Yeah. And we were going to have to do this regardless. Yeah. So it's like we could have done it two days before the wedding, but why not just do it?

Yeah. We wanted to do it. It was fun. It was special. And we got pancakes after. So that is how. I love it. I would literally so wholesome.

I'm just so into it. And it's sweet. And I'm glad your brother got over it because really then it's like, well, we're still going to do the thing. Well, in full transparency, that's how my brother and I talked to each other. He wasn't like. He wasn't like, fuck you, I'm never talking again. You're not even family anymore.

No, I don't even think he, I think he forgot like the next day. That's cute. Well, you guys are very, I feel like, that's why I think you get the New York vibes. I feel like you're just like, you just say it how it is honest. Yeah. And your family's probably the same way. Yeah. So is married life different from?

Engaged life? No, same thing. Same thing. Yeah, like nothing's different. Not even, I mean, that's nice. I mean, like if you break up, it's going to be different. That's a good point. A little more legal fees.

Yeah, like, that's definitely different. That's a good point. Besides that, like, no, nothing's different. All right, we know what's coming up. Grilling season. And you know what else is coming up? Father's Day. And the two really do kind of go hand in hand.

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let me finish the first question i have no chill no patience we wouldn't even this wouldn't even be a big lead-up because even living in Chicago, I'll just leave. Even living in Chicago, I always said that New York has the best pizza. Yeah. New York, in my opinion, has the best pizza. I love New York pizza. Now, what I think Chicago is known for, and I'm repeating myself because I repeat myself, is the Italian beef sandwich. That's what Chicago, Johnny's beef. That's what Chicago's is known for. I didn't know that. I know. The sound of a, the sound of a beef sandwich. You clearly don't I've listened to the only of my fucking podcast. I've listened to a couple.

Can you wait, Caitlin told me you're a very big foodie. So, like, what is something that you think every single person needs to try at least once in their life? I would say... A beef sandwich. I'm going to sound like such a douchebag. But I would say, like, really high-end sushi, like an omacaziaz. Oh, sold. Sold.

Go to Japan. I've been to Japan once. And? Bucket list. Love that. You did? Yeah. It's on my bucket list, too.

I had a choice with back when I got a lot of brand deals after the show where I could go to Japan or Iceland. You chose wrong. You chose wrong. I'm judging you. This brand deal that I got was, I was like, how am I? I remember that trip. What turn did I take in life to be able to do this? It was like, do you want to go to Japan first class or this?

And I was like, and I chose Iceland. It was great. It was great. I remember. I actually remember this too. You remember seeing the photos. I remember seeing the photos and thinking, hmm, surprise she chose Iceland.

For a girl who left sushi, I'm very shocked you chose ice sleep. Well, I feel like that's like you can get the same kind of quality sushi in New York that you can in Japan. Am I wrong? I think a lot of people disagree with us. That is a bold statement in my opinion. I'm going to get like pooped on. Let's go.

I mean, I've never been to Japan, so I don't know. But I just feel like Japan would be so authentic. And I feel like also, I'm a big energy person, so I feel like the experience overall with the sushi would be. I think you're getting the same grade sushi here because the customer is like this is their biggest customer. So they take care of them. But freshness wise, it's going to be fresher there because that's where that's what I'm

so I do think you're going to get better sushi in Japan. Yeah. I also feel like I would love the cultural experience of like eating sushi in Japan. There was one spot I went to in San Diego. You don't say that confidently. I don't remember where I went, but it was like 10 years ago. And there was only, oh, no, a place I went to in Vegas with Jason. There was only three tables.

Sorry, because I was thinking of the best sushi experience, but this was it. There was three tables in the whole restaurant, one chef from Japan, and you have to wait like months to get in. and it was the most insane sushi I've ever had in my life. Three tables and no vibe. It's like DMV lighting and like... I love a whole... I don't even know there was not a whole in a lot, but...

And it was the best sushi I've ever had in my life. Do you still make spaghetti cells? I do. Sundays with Joe. I was telling her it's the best I've ever had. It's great. I have a question for you. Ask me.

Where do you want to have your honeymoon? Maldives and Italy. So both. Yeah, I want to go to Maldives. and do like the chill over the water bungalow. Yeah, I want the honey and then the moon. I want like the, it's a long flight, but I want the over the water bungalow

with the slide coming out of my room into the water. And then I want to go to Italy. Okay. What about you? So I booked a flight to Rome. Have you been? Yeah. Booked a flight to Rome and a hotel in Bali.

Oh. Anyone that wants to help us figure that out. Hey, any, you know what you should do. Price line. Have you booked Bali yet? No, we're just going to do it. But what I did was I booked a bunch of shit and then I was like, where do we? Bali has so many beautiful villas that are like very affordable.

So I have an issue with Bali. What? It's far. Like it's like, oh, it's literally like two days of travel. Yeah. It's 22 hours. No, it's, it is like 35. It is so far.

Yeah. That's actually true. Okay, fine. And then it's like you go all the way out there. And what I'm worried about, and I'm going to sound ignorant, but what I'm worried about is going out to Bali and them being like, well, like, I could have probably been. You're not wrong because I've been. So on Chris Sol's season of The Bachelor, when it was the final three, we got to go to Bali. And I was there for eight days.

There's something a little more special about it. Yeah, this is really dumbed, doesn't it? Of course, but like, I'm worried. So like, Serena has like an extreme. severe tree knot allergy. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, we can't, like, and we'll still, like, go and, like, go out and, like,

travel. But, like, if we end up spending most of our time at the resort, that's what I'm worried about. Like, I don't want that to be, like, our thing. That's very fair. That is a long, I was saying that earlier. I remember I was like, I was stuck on a 22-hour flight with a producer. Yeah.

Yeah, it was to Bali. You know what? Hmm. Let me think about this for you. Okay. But you're going to go to Italy? We're going to Italy. Hands down, best place on planet Earth.

On Maffi Coast? No, but I've been to the Maffi Coast. We're going to do Lake Homo. Oh, yeah, that's right. A beautiful. Lake Homo, Florence, Rome, and then home. It's not long. I think we're going to do like a nine-day trip.

No, this one's a trip. Perfect. Nine days is perfect. I feel like it is. Like most people are like, oh, 14, 17, but like at this point, like... I also feel like being a foodie, like that. But Bollie had the best food I've had. Do you, were you around with Ilan, Gail?

Yeah. He spent every day in my room in Bali and we would order all of any kind, like obviously the Indian food is incredible. We ordered the most craziest things that we could possibly find. And the food was some of the best I've ever had was in Bali. Okay. Alon gave me all my Japan rocks. Yeah.

He flew to Japan once just to like go eat pigeonhead once. Like I, he's nuts. He just did that when we, when we did the. This new show, he was out in Kyoto because he went to like a restaurant for like. Really? That's just what he does. Yeah. I love that.

I think it's great. That's, it is great. I mean, I would do that too if I could. I could do it once. Pigeon head? No, no. I was like, bitch, you don't even like him alive. I hate pigeons.

So you would think maybe I'd get some sort of sick joy out of eating at him. Actually, yeah. But, so Elan called me, I don't know how long ago. and he was like, I'm working on this new show and I want you to be a part of it. And I was like, no. I went, well, I didn't say no. I said, tell me more.

And he goes, I can't. And I was like, then absolutely not. And then he said, because him and I got along really well on Bachelor and we just like were the weirdest people together. And I feel like he's the reason I actually became the Bachelorette because all the higher ups didn't want me to be, but Alon like fought for me to be. And he's like, come on, Caitlin.

Can you imagine like making TV together again? and I was like, no, because you're an evil genius and I've worked way too hard to build a brand for me to go on a show of the greatest reality stars of all time and you make me possibly look stupid. What if they ask me like a business question? And I was like, what's a margin? Like, what if I just didn't?

What if I look stupid? So you're going on. This is literally what I'm doing. So is Tisha. You and Tisha are going on. Yeah, I think that's, like, I guess that fear is fair. like so he called me is like hey I'm doing a new show

just wanting you know just putting some feelers out there yeah if you're interested it's going to be a comedy reality show would you would you be interested I was like yeah and it was like the extent I do think it's going to be great

that was the extent of the conversation because I and then you know I had to think about it for like you know probably like five to seven minutes and I was like do I want a solid time business days I was like, five to seven business days, minutes.

Do I want to go back on reality TV? And I really like Alon and I really like Bill. And I was like, I think it'll just be fun. Yeah. Oh, Bill's doing it too. Yeah. So I was like if this ends up working off for me and they want me like, yeah, I'll do it. Is it an elimination or do you even know much about this?

I know you can't say much. Can you compare it to another reality show? Yeah. So I don't watch reality competition shows. besides The Bachelor. Right. But from your knowledge, what can you compare to? But from my knowledge, it is, I don't, I have no idea.

That's not the answer we want, Judge. Okay, because, because I could tell you. Awful answer. I rejected. Terrible. Like, here, no, like, I was, I was there. Yeah. Like, it was, it was, it's.

We know you were there. Thank you for that clickbait title. I was there. I was present. I was there. I was there. I was there. I think, I, I, I remember.

thinking to myself and I'm not a liar yeah yeah I remember thinking like this is going to be this is going to be great really this is going to be great because I don't know if you could really compare it to much and that's what's interesting about should you tell us who else is on it yes yeah the cast is out the cast is out so tasha well I didn't do my research for tasha Tasha uh Warren speed from love is blind she's on the first season of love is blind they're still married right or are they Yeah. I heard Warren, not Lauren, but now I understand. Jill Zeran from Real Housewives.

Oh, Stop Lover. Yeah, Jill's great. Oh, what a character. Who else? Tech from Real World. Was somebody there from Jersey Shore? No, but Joey Sassow is from like the Netflix family of like. What is the like outcome of the show?

Like what are you all? What's the purpose of being there? I think you've been money. It's a competition. Oh, okay. Yeah. To become the greatest. Reality TV.

Reality. Should I have done it? Is she going to regret this for the rest of the other? I think you should have done it. Yeah, you should have done it. Everything happens for a reason. That's true. Alon said that if I really enjoy season one, I can go on season two.

So now I'll, but okay. I thought you were going to be because I. Really? So I had a feeling. I was like, am I the only person from Bathurst that's going to be? That was my fear too. Like, am I the only one? And I just had no way.

Because it's reality. They tell you nothing. That's why it's so scary. I was like, what if it's me and Chad Johnson? Yeah. Yeah. I would be like, I f*** up. So I remember thinking like you were the one of the first people I thought of.

And I was like, would Caitlin do it? You just didn't think to message me. What would Caitlin do? I don't. Yeah, what would Caitlin do? And I, and then I was thinking maybe Ashley I. Oh. I could see her.

I can see that too. And then, yeah. Especially because you know it's from Milan days. Yeah. Well, of course. So that's, hmm. Yeah. And so you had a blast.

Had a blast. And so we obviously can't know who won or what's going on. I can tell you who won. Yeah, sure. I was like, yeah. That's a great club. Just clip that out and just leave the people hanging. That's funny.

This is, yeah, like I can't really say, I can't say much. All I can say is. Yeah. When does it air? I don't know. But like I really don't know. Really? Yeah, like I don't know.

like you don't have a general idea how long ago did you end filming can you see that um message message along right now not that long ago okay i need so much more after the podcast um i hear this is i'll give you a little bit of a teaser okay kind of like whatever lame but i think i think you'll probably want me back on the show oh i will say that oh i like that wait that's yeah yeah Yeah, that's juicy. That's really good. Okay, I'm excited. Okay, one last question, because I know you can't tell me much, but like, could I have

potentially looked like a stupid business owner? Are you a stupid business owner? Sometimes. No. I'm, I'm, here's the thing. Like, you, you are successful and you're a very good business owner. Like, you're a very good business owner. But behind a, I think you're the same as me, though.

You know what you know. is a great team yeah well but here's the thing not at like your but you're not perfect like you're not a perfect and i don't want to be exactly so i don't think any like i don't think there's anything that you could have done where people have been like what a terrible business owner i don't know that was my biggest fear cancel all right they were gonna be like so how many like i thought they're gonna i don't know like people you're not going a shark tank you're fine that's true like people and people love your businesses because they love you that's true like you're like so You would have, I don't know, if you would have thought you would look stupid at a certain point.

People would probably be like, oh, relatable. Like, let me buy more wine. Literally. Damn, but I really blew it. Literally. I goofed that one. I should have went on. Well, son of a bitch.

Okay. Moving on, I'm really excited to watch, but that makes me think you won. Okay, you won. Joe won. No, I can mean, I mean, we'll, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. How many people?

Uh, the cast was. I want to say I'm pretty sure 14 Okay wait I have a question I don't know if you can answer Okay A favorite person on the cast And least favorite person on the cast

Yeah like that I definitely can't answer Okay that's fine Fair But great question Off camera I wanted to know I wish I could

That's why I want Like once the show Come back Come back Before going You and Tasha You and Tasha used to podcast together Yeah

You both live in New York You both went on the show Are you friends Yeah, we're friends. I had no idea, like zero. Until you walked in? Until I walked in. Oh.

Yeah. Did they take away your phones? Um, for the most part, yeah. Okay. How long was filming? I will move on after this. How long was filming? Oh, you can't say because then it's competition and then we can just.

Yeah. Got it. Got it. That's fair enough. Um, because I'm in New York for a few days, I want to go on dates with my girlfriends, like Rachel or you or do. what is your favorite date night spot with serena in new york city well i'm so upset right now because i just like you guys look like so much fun we're drinking wine and i look like jo didn't get the outfit memo

like i don't know what happened i look like i don't even look like a bit i look like just a guy from like 1991 you actually look like what jason tardick would wear like i feel like jason would wear jason wears more slim cut yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i actually think i have a jockey like that so it no it's a cool I like it and I was like so confident coming here but now that looking we really just we're like we look like idiot when do we say live love toaster live laugh toaster bath

but like you guys look like fun like people watching this we were fun Joe's so boring do something funny do so funny look at the way he's dressed he's so boring tell a funny joke anyone that's thinking that right now like honestly like I don't like you so now I'm upset like I'm in my I'm in my own head

I'm so insecure we didn't set you up I actually switch shirts with Joey. I enjoyed this wine. Switch shirts with Joey. You know, I've ordered your wine before. And I've ordered your sauce before. I will say. I still get a Caitlin Bristol emails.

I'm, do you really? Yeah, I unsubscribe because you guys send a lot fun. Do you really? Wait, couldn't you just unsubscribe from like too many? Wait, that's good feedback. Unsubscribe from what? I'm Canadian. I can't do it.

Oh. You actually don't. Okay. Oh, you're Canadian as well? Yeah, I'm from Vancouver. Oh, I'm going to Vancouver. When? Next weekend.

Have you ever been? Um, yeah. I love Vancouver. I lived in Vancouver for 11 years. Yeah. Okay. So that's why I thought for summary, I, I knew that you weren't from Vancouver, but I knew there was some kind of. Yeah. It's literally my happy place. I miss it so much. All right. I love me some morning coffee, but sometimes it gives me the jitters. It makes me feel like I have anxiety, which I do not love. And in general, I just like to try new things. Switch it up, you know, keep my mind guessing. And if you've been listening, you know, mudwater is my new go-to alternative for my afternoon coffee. And if you're not familiar yet, you should be.

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what's your favorite thing to do with serena on a date night um like what are you what are you guys looking to do apparently we're scissoring so whatever is that does up for that what's gonna lube us up um okay like dinner do you ever go to broadway yeah i'm obsessed what's your favorite broadway show um i really enjoyed the book of morning i was going to say it I was going to be like three, two. I want to go see like more like off-Broadway shows. We,

I did go back in the day to the play that was popular back then. I think it was like C-No More or something. It was an interactive play where you. Yes. Did somebody take you into a room and like put a key in your mouth? No. Wait, what? Yes.

Yeah, no. But it. Do you put a mask on? Yes. Everyone in the elevator has a mask on. But what a key in the mouth? I'll tell you later. Yeah, a key in the mouth.

I don't know. I feel like that. I feel like that person. Fetish. No, it got kinky. But you put on masks. What you would see? Like you would walk through and all of a sudden there would be like a woman in a bathtub like

Yes. Having a baby. Yes. Like in labor. I feel like we just really went to a different conversation that I was a part of. Like I don't know how we got here. Broadway show and it's interactive. So you actually get to be a part of the show.

Are you following? I am, but I'm not sure I like it. Oh. You know what we love to do, which is actually, this is cliche, but it's also fun. It's just, like, go sit in Central Park. Oh, yeah. That's nice.

Also, Central Park is huge. Yeah. Like, I walk 10 minutes into it and I'm like, my map shows like I haven't moved. It is huge. What's your favorite area of New York? Because every time I come here, I feel like I explore a bit, but there's always so much more that I could do. Because I don't come for the longest amount of time. So I'm just curious, like, if someone is coming to New York, where do you think they have to go?

Central Park. No, I like, I like, like, West Village, Greenwich. Yeah. And I think, like, if you want to go, like, you're in Manhattan, do you want to go to Brooklyn? But, like, Brooklyn's, there's a lot of, like, great restaurants. There's a restaurant called Laser Wolf that is. I think they are from Philly, but it's supposed to, I think it's on top of, it's on top of a hotel. I don't know which one, but it's supposed to be a great.

Really? Like, I would suggest, like, doing something like that. Or just like going to, we're going to go. I think, I think I'm going out. somewhere i think we're going to a place called temple bar or something yeah yeah oh i've been there oh have yeah wait temple bar i feel that sounds familiar why do i'm googling it temple bar myc i swear i went here with rachel um oh this is what serena and i do she just text me do you want me to finish ted lasso or can i watch it without you do you want to wait that's really that's my favorite part about

being single is i don't have to wait for anybody to watch what's your answer uh she can finish Ted Lassel. Honestly, a good man. Yeah, that's nice. That is a good man. We're watching so many different shows right now. Do you know what show I'm so into is jury duty? Okay. Okay, I've heard this is amazing. I have not watched it. We just started. I just binged four episodes. So I'm all, I want episode four too. So jury duty and so one of the creators of jury duty is one of the creators, I believe, of the goat, the show that I was on. Yeah. And it's going to be on the same network. They're both Amazon freebie. Wait, what's your show called? The goat. The goat. I love it. Yeah. that show so how do you feel about that show it's great it is genius and the guy who so for people

listening that don't know jury duty is a show where everybody's an actor it's almost like um the truman show where there's one guy who doesn't know that this is a show with a bunch of actors and they go to do jury duty and there's just like the most outrageous situations and this guy actually thinks he's in jury duty filming like a documentary about being can't downloading this for my flight tomorrow. It's so funny and the guy is so sweet. He's like so nice and I'm like, man, it's actually really funny. Okay.

So you should definitely watch it. That's what I'm binging right now. Do you think you would, do you think you would fall for it if you were that guy? And knowing what you know, like you've done a lot of you. No. I feel like I'd be like, this is a prank. Somebody is. You're so intuitive though.

Like freakishly. I am freakishly intuitive. I feel like I would know something's going on. I would go along with it because I'd be like, what if it's not? And then I just, like, am in trouble with the law. That's actually very, very, yeah, that tracks. How great is James, uh, how do you say his last thing? I don't need.

I actually don't know. So there's a real actor and not, I mean, they're all real actors. You know who he is. Have you seen dead to me? Yeah. Did you see the notebook? Yeah. He's the other guy.

He's the other guy. Oh, the hot. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who, I know here talking about. Yeah. He's in it playing himself. Yeah.

But like a douchey version of himself? Yeah. I love that though. Anyways, you have to watch it. Moving on. That shows. Degress. What else are you binging?

So the Pete Davidson show. We started beef. Have you heard of, you heard beef yet? I've seen it on Netflix. I have not really watched or know what it's about. That's good. But it's definitely, it's very serious. What is your comfort show or a movie?

Like when you're having, like if you're. me. Yeah, show, but movie? I mean, I have a bunch. Oh, list them. Mine is, my movie is up. Moana. Yeah, you're, oh, a bitch, we watch Moana so many fucking times. It's, I'm sick of that show. When I'm, like, in a dark place, I watch Moana. Okay, yours is up. Mine is up because I get an emotional, like, exertion within like five minutes. That's true. Okay. Okay. So, that's, I've seen it. I've seen it 150 times. It's so good. Um, that's my, um, my, the Michael J. Fox one. Huh? The Michael J. Fox one?

Yeah. And then movie. If I was like super depressed and I was like, oh, she's depressed. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like Serena's gone this weekend and if I'm like, if I drink too much and I'm like, oh, I myself my apartment. Like life is dark. I watch it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll probably do. I like it's complicated. Oh, love. We love. And ocean's 12. I really like. Oceans 11. I don't really know

exactly what plot is in which oceans, but I do love the movies. I can just never remember which is which. And I just need a movie that's very like aesthetically pleasing. Like the scene and the vibe. Yeah. Like West Anderson movies. I think that's why

I like Milana because Hawaii is my happy place and I get all like spiritual. I've never met anyone who loves Moana the way you do. I'm a psychopath. Like I go, I went to Hawaii after my mental health retreat and like I was a whale when the whale was like jumping up I'm like no for like four months when I would visit you would fall asleep

tomorrow I still do it I still do it you watch you ever see Ratatoui yes I'm obsessed I watch Ratatoui is like groundbreaking it's groundbreaking have you seen the movie soul yes obsessed Joe I don't like watching animated movies no but that movie okay but watch it with Serena then Because that movie, there's something very special about it. It may be not afraid to die. Yeah.

Soul is a very special movie. It's a very special movie. It really is special. I would like to know if you know why. Not trying to Bachelor gossip. Serene and Brandon, they broke up. Do I know why? Yeah.

Are you guys like friends? I don't know. You do Bachelor podcasts. I was assuming maybe you had them on the pod. Yeah. I don't know like I've met them yeah but we don't know why they broke up but I have no idea why they broke up but they broke up I'm trying to do the Lord's work over here for the Bachelor listen I just I don't like yeah like I don't I don't know I think I mean it's a hard it's high I think bachelor relationships are just hard I think most of like don't really work I think I ended up getting very lucky and being on a season that was extremely successful which is very rare and I just think like sometimes in like sometimes in like life like people click and it works but most of the time they don't it's true it's not even i mean bachelor relationships are obviously so hard and you go through so much pressure but like relationships in general

are just fucking hard people are upset about that i don't know they are upset about it really i don't know why because i think i just thought like when i saw them on paradise they actually kind of reminded me of you and serena because it just felt like very like they weren't in the drama they were just like always hanging out together taking naps and they just felt like they were so in love and they just felt like they were so in love. I don't know. I get way too invested in romantic couples on television. Do you still watch? Yeah. Do you?

Yeah. Not convinced Joe. You're like I watch about contributing them the next day. Yeah. It's time consuming. Yeah. I like the screeners are great. The screeners are great. I think that's probably why because I like to podcast about it. I also like to support other cast members. So I see like somebody

going through a hard time or getting bullied or like having a their heartbroken and I just want like help them for people who don't like how are the screeners different then because we get them days in advance no commercials so it must be a blessed life it is um the screener life is for me yeah it's like an hour it ends up being like an hour 20 but not three hours I would say like I I personally maybe you have a different experience because you were the bachelorette and you were on the bachelor at and I wasn't on either of those shows but I enjoy watching paradise it's the best it's the best can I interrupt here. I want to just like hijack this for a second. I want to know like an

assumption that you have about her and an assumption you have about him. Good one. Okay, what is your assumption of me? What's your assumption of me? Okay. Is this before we knew each other? I don't have rules. Okay. So I think that far ahead. I know you should put a rule on that. Yeah. Okay. Well, because

it's kind of confusing because I know her now. So what assumption am I going to have of her? Yeah. My assumption before I knew, Joe, was that you were way Like Okay I want Okay then I'm If I can make the rules

I want I want one before you knew each other And one to date I want two Okay so mine before I met Joe Was that I thought you were going to be like So loud And like really out

You're outgoing But like I thought Yes I thought you were going to be like Very much like Like a like a Jason target I was literally just going to say like Let's go Yeah

Really because I don't I do I do see that Yeah, you may see that now knowing me, but I don't give that off on teeth, especially on my bachelor edits, like, there's no way. I was, I was, I was the reserved, quiet. I thought that was just your, quiet. I thought that was just your edit because Jason was also reserved and quiet on his season. I do agree with you. I literally was going to say like a Jason like his. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not a let's go guy. I'm not. I can, but what's now your to date assumption? Like this day, rate this moment. What's your. What's your assumption? right now. I think this is the most interesting, to be honest. I don't know. No, you do.

I want an assumption. I feel like how do you have an assumption on somebody that you know? Because it could literally be anything, like just about their life, like something that's going on. I would say for my assumption of you. Pre-meeting her. So let's start there. Pre-meeting. So pre-meeting.

So I'm going back to like stepping in. a bachelor world and knowing nothing and just so and then like talking to like family members and people and like everyone you're very much like our kind of person yeah um it's like everyone always like they love you so I assumed you were somebody who truly was honest and real and would really say what was on your mind and it wouldn't affect you okay that's that's who I very accurate just truly somebody who does not good intuition doesn't give a fuck but not in like a bad like in like a very strong

confident yeah yeah oh so the assumption can be true yeah oh I was thinking now today what do you assume about her life or her I would say that assumption holds true but there's a part of you that does Is that you do you do give a few more. You give a few more fucks just just for the fact of like do I want to go like do I want to go on a reality show or is there a chance I may not look like the savvy business woman that I am. Yeah, I'm like carrying a little too much which which but I think we all I think we all grow to care like I'm somebody who truly like don't I don't really care. Yeah.

Um, but there's a part of me that. Yeah. when you're in the day and day out and your job is somewhat related to like a public eye how can you not be somewhat cognizant of that so absolutely yeah it's a it's a compliment because if you weren't then you wouldn't be successful and you'd probably just be a total maniac running around and she is i have one game to play with you before i let you go let's play it so obviously you're going to be on the goat so i think it's fair i don't know i'm reading the notes that we honor some fellow goats in and out of

the reality TV space. So I'm going to say some categories and you're going to tell me who or what is the goat of those categories. Oh, I like this. I like this. Okay. Okay. So what is the goat of pasta shapes? Oh, I know mine.

I know mine too. Fusilli. I love Fusilis. I do too. I don't even think that's like a traditional. I think mine's a little controversial. Mine's straight up spaghetti. Mine's bow tie. bow tie that is that's more like that's almost like mac and cheese yeah i love a bow tie it just there's like a little bit of a crunch in like the center it's very dense and then

you get like a lot of sauce in that like crevice it just really hits it hits hard for me that's fair that's fair that's fair that's fair straight up spaghetti for me i respect it okay what is the goat of chain restaurants um chain restaurant not like fast food chain restaurants Like fast food is a chain Yeah It could be that Like that's a loophole Like apple beans

When we say chain restaurants If they have like seven restaurants Is they like no Like I think so yeah Like the Hillstone group Never heard of it Me either What's that

It's called Hillstone Okay let's pick something more commercial Okay so something I would know Oh wait no My next one is fast food So don't do that Oh because that's what I was gonna do Okay

um okay so yeah then that would be the i'm gonna have to stick with that i don't know what okay okay fine what's yours mine's canadian though mine's cactus club same really i've never been there but i just had tims in the airport go when you go to vancouver go to cactus club and go to the go to the english bay yeah yeah you have to go i used to manage the one at english bay make a rezzo it's on the beach and they'll hook you up yeah yeah go it's the cool you'll literally go there and be like holy shit yeah it's so good used to work here why did she go on the show they have spade and sparrows there get order it yeah they do yeah please go um okay go to fast foods i'm i'm i'm really curious about your answer for this one see we don't have

that really yeah and then if i wasn't going to go shake shack and we're going like super really fast food because i don't know if you consider shake shack fast food i do yeah if you're going to go like the trit like the old school fast food i'm going um taco Taco Bell Casadilla There's no other casadia like it Never had one

And that's why I think you're wrong Because I don't go to Taco Like Taco Bell To me the best thing You can get Is you get

You get four hard shell Four soft shell A bunch of hot sauce And that's it I get that But have you had The cassidia Yeah I don't like

The case Then I back off I'm gonna tell you My Fast Food order But I think it's Canadian Mine's McDonald's hands And W Oh fuck I love A&W

And W So Canadian. We used to have one by us too. But it is so good. I get a hash brown. I get a Beyond Burger and I get onion rings and it is. That's good.

And the Beyond Burger tastes like a teen burger. It's amazing. It's the best. I'm so passionate. I just put my mic. My mouth just watered actually. Yeah. But it's still McDonald's for me.

Judge me for it. Fish filet. Fish filet. I am judging you for it. Fish filet, no cheese. Add shredded lettuce. extra large french fries and a diet doctor pepper come at me as you will okay what is the goat reality show other than the bachelor franchise love island uh well i feel like love island is

like the biggest right or vander pump vander pump also you know let me go like what i think would be um i'm gonna say i'm gonna go because yeah i'm 37 i'm gonna say the real world yeah that's Wait, I have one. Okay. Goat any reality TV star you could like be on a show with literally any reality TV star. Caitlin. Oh. I would have loved to be on the show.

I'm not going to lie, Joe, when I saw you on that, I went, ah, I should have done it. I swear to God, I even think I said it out loud that I, when I saw you on it. I felt like we would have a lot of fun on the show. Well, can you go on season two? if you maybe are like the winner or something or you could like I don't know I don't know how that works okay not a denial the goat bachelor of all the bachelors all the bachelors who was the goat well I guess it would only be like I I started watching the bachelor who's the first season I watched fully oh you didn't watch before you

went on did you who were the girls and I hate when I I actually don't like like I don't when people like, I don't want you, I don't even hear about it. Like, I knew about the show. I just didn't really watch reality TV. Yeah, fair. So, like, the first full season I watched was probably, probably, I think the, like, actually sit down and watch every episode. I think was Clayton's season. Sweet Clayton.

Like, I was podcasting about it, but I was, like, kind of watching and kind of not. I saw Matt season. I watched a little bit of Peter's season. And Colton. So who, man, so Clayton, Zach. Oh, my God, you don't have many options to choose from. You're like Clayton, Zach. I'm like, Clayton's the last one I watch.

Let's let's go. I feel like Pete. Hmm, Pilot Pete. Interesting. The reason I throw Pilot Pete out there because people still talk about it. That's true. That's true. It was an iconic season, but it was because of the women.

Yeah, but like also like, yeah, okay, but he's still like. true. I mean, everything was all over the place. I like Pete. I shouldn't be like, I just I the goat for me is always Sean Lowe. He's my favorite season that I ever watched. So like I didn't that is the most unexpected answer. I know. I would have I. I know because he's like Hey when I'm probably just lied. I'm actually processing right now. I'm shook. Really? Yes. It was my favorite season I've ever watched and Ben Flannick. Moving on. I know. I'm still. Okay. In your eyes, who is the goat celebrity couple that you're like, wow, I would like to be like that couple. I know.

My hands down. Me too. Okay, Bailey, tell yours. Kristen Bell, Dax Shepherd. Yeah. Love them. Yeah. What's yours?

Well, it was Megan Fox, Michigan gun, Kelly, because I was like. No, I'm sorry. I stand by mind so hard. They have the best relationship. I love them. I think I'm with you. Like, like, I will ride that to my grave. Yeah, I'm with you.

Well, you're really serious about this. I am. I'm very, very passionate. Whoa. I'm like, I'm going to sell you all on this. I'm going through celebrities. I'm like, okay, is this person in a relationship? Like Ellen and Portia.

I do love them too. I'm going to go George in a mall because I love George. That's cute. You give George vibes, actually. I love that. I'm going to say, yeah, you just made my day. You really give George Clooney vibes. Thank you.

I love that. I'm thinking about this. I love that. And I also, yeah. I could see that. Yeah. Yeah. I have a, Serena and I have an age gap.

I don't love an age gap. And like Jay-Z and Beyonce have that. Ryan Reynolds and like lively do. I love an age gap. I like to compare to people that have that age gap. Yeah. I love an age gap. I love an age gap too.

I'm so much older than Jason. Like by a year? Four. I know. I'm just. That's crazy to be because you and I are the same age. And I always like. Because Jason and I were on the same season and...

Oh, yeah. I still talk... Yeah, I still talk to Jason. And I think that he is... I think he's older than me. I know. Okay. Do you have a goat of Instagram or TikTok that you follow?

You're like, they're the goat on social media. I know. Okay. What is the goat month of the year and why? Oh. December. I agree. Fully mine.

without a doubt. No, not mine. December, it's the happiest month. It is. Christmas is coming up. People aren't working as much. They're enjoying food. Mine is August.

Mine drinks. Mine is August. Yeah. Ooh, I put August. I actually like August. Fuck August. In August. August.

What happens in August? It's nice in Vancouver. Oh, that's true. That's true. I love snow. I love magic. I love Christmas. I love eating and drinking good food.

I feel like people. People are very present in August, from my perspective. I think December because I feel like everyone's like, we'll wait until the new year. See, here's the thing. I have worked retail all my life. I have a business. And December is always like the last hustle of a quarter where you are trying to like, you have boxing date.

You have Christmas. You have Christmas Eve. So like it is a lot more for me. It's all about, you know, December's all about spending and not making money. And it's just the worst, but it's also the best. And I like October, too. I do agree with October. Do you ever watch, or did you ever watch Billy Madison?

When he's like, they're like drunk in the pool and they're like, what day is it? And he's like, uh, October? I have my sister and I say that all the time. Oh, Joey, that landed with you. Okay. I'm chuckling over there. I was like, yes, that's amazing. Well, I'm excited to watch the goat.

I'm sad I didn't do it now We think Joe wins I think Joe wins Or you're like top three All I know is you're gonna want him back All we know is we're gonna want them back This has been fun I ran out of wine so

Also my makeup artist is at my hotel 5 minutes ago so I should probably go Because I got to go get ready for Megan Fox Wow yeah our new girlfriend Yeah I'm Caitlin Bristow I'll see you next Tuesday You're not to choose like. I'm John Glover.

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