Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Justin Anderson

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

Today, celebrity hair colorist and co-owner of DpHue Justin Anderson joins Kaitlyn. Justin talks about his journey to discovering his passion for hair coloring and the launch of his celebrity career. He shares his amazing secrets of hair care from stimulating hair growth to why shampoo is bad for your hair. Kaitlyn and Justin talk about his personal experience of coming out, staying true to your self and he shares unique stories of working with his extraordinary celebrity clients. Thanks to our sponsors: Blue Diamond Almonds Birch Box= Go to BIRCHBOX.com/VINE and use promo code VINE to get $5 off. Ruggable= Go to MyRuggable.com/VINE and receive 15% OFF at checkout. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with clients such as, I mean, I don't know if you've heard of her, but Jennifer Aniston, Miley Cyrus, Chelsea Handler. How do you say this girl's last name? Charlize. Is it? Therone. Therone. Oh, okay. I nailed it.

And Gwyneth Paltrow, he's always having fun on social media, whether it's your personal account at Justin Anderson or professional account at Justin Anderson color, which shows off some of his amazing work. He does my hair. And you can also learn more about him, his life, and his clients on his podcast in the chair with Justin Anderson. And he's currently serves as the creative director of D.P. Hugh, a collection of products that is transforming the color world and industry. Please welcome to the podcast. Justin Anderson, that was a mouthful.

That was. And I am positive that somebody on my DP Hugh team wrote that because they definitely ended in that really good ending right there. Yeah, that was good. I mean, that sounds, that's all awesome stuff. I mean, you could have just said, I always, when people are my podcast and they say something cool, I'm like, that needs to be on your tombstone. Like, you doing Jennifer Aniston's hair to me, I'm like, just put that on your tombstone. I actually totally agree. I mean, I think that was like what I, I always want, in beauty school, I always just wanted

to at least once shampoo Jennifer Aniston's hair. Never thought I'd be able to color it, to be honest. Just shampoo. But just shampoo. And now I've been coloring her hair for years now. Oh, my gosh. That's major. You know, when you go into a certain career, you have like some sort of thing that you

want to get close to or maybe do. Right. And I still, to this day, whenever I go to her house, she's the only person I still do house calls for. But every time I go to her house, it's seriously like a pinch me moment because she's unreal. And she's become a really good friend and I love her to pieces. And I always say that Jennifer Aniston, you know, everybody loves her so much. But whatever you want her to be, she's that and way more.

She's one of the most special people I've ever met my life. Really? Yeah. Amazing. Oh, I love that. I feel that from her. You can. You can feel it.

Yes. And I think everyone can. You can just, you can tell what a special person she is. Yeah. I don't know how she did. with what she does. I loved when she stood up for the magazine circling like women's stomachs. Like how many times has the tabloid said she's pregnant? Exactly. Like the other day I posted a picture and or no, Jason posted a picture and I was like at a weird angle and my stomach was like a little bit out and everyone's

like oh my gosh, congratulations. I'm like, it blows my mind though. It's like I have to really think that people know what they're doing when they do that or people are just completely delusional. You know? I think they know what they're doing. Yeah, me too. I think they do too. Yeah. I think it's totally like a passive aggressive negative thing to do everyone knows not to point out a stomach or like even if someone's like seven months pregnant I will not say it like I'll just like how are you you look great I don't even make eye contact to their stomach and then I'm like oh my gosh I didn't even notice or if they say something I'm like oh I mean I thought maybe but I didn't want to say anything it's like we're all so careful yeah about everyone's weight nowadays and nobody who says that would

like it being said to them no like just Nobody wants to be told that you're pregnant if you're not. Yeah. And even if you did have the tiniest bump because you were a few months pregnant, you don't want people to know. You don't want people to point that out. So it's like, let's just be careful. That's why I think everybody knows what they're doing.

I do too. It's so crazy. I mean, those are some big names. And how did you first become interested in styling and doing hair coloring? Is that something that you were like a young age, where you like, I need to get into this?

It was something that I was always as a kid, I was obsessed with hair. So I grew up in a really big Mormon family, tons of boy cousins everyone played sports i played sports when i was a kid but inside i knew it was just like this little homo dying to like do hair or makeup or something you look like an athlete though well my whole family like a lot of them play like professional sports and stuff a lot of them my cousins played professional sports i had an uncle who played on the chicago bears oh my gosh so i have like big everyone in my family's big guys yeah yeah and growing up in high school i was one of

the biggest guys in my class and everyone wanted me to play football but i was just like a gentle giant like I did not want to play football yeah but deep down I always knew I wanted to do hair and so I went to college with a bunch of guys that I graduated from high school with we all joined the same fraternity and I was just kind of it was a continuation of high school basically yeah and I knew I wanted to drop out and go to beauty school and when I told my parents that I wanted to do that they gave me the hardest time ever like my mom was like that's not a real job right you know no one really does hair for a living you have to finish college and I was like no I this is my passion yeah and so it was one of those things. I mean, I'm a total Scorpio. And like, if you tell me I can't do something, I will prove

you wrong. Yeah. And I'll do it the biggest way possible. Right. Um, so I went to beauty school, dropped out of college, went to beauty school, put myself through, uh, beauty school, like work to jobs, went to school. And, um, I always say it's like one of those things, if you really follow what you really want to do, chances are you're going to be even better at it, you know, because I, I imagine if I graduated college and was just doing some job that I didn't love, I wouldn't be passionate about it. I'd be bored. Yeah. Um, I run from, being bored being bored scares the crap out of me me too i'm me too so it's like the minute i get comfortable i want to challenge myself somehow you know i love that about you uh do you ever do

ora readings i have done it before and i'm totally into that kind of stuff i don't know why i don't do more of it do you know what color they say you are i feel like gosh i can't remember what would you guess well i feel like you're purple with with a little bit of pink i love this because that's me. And I feel like we're similar. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I could totally see your purple with a flex of pink. No, I can't see it. But like that just from what you say. I want to, I want to get another one. Do you have someone out here that we can do it? Yes. You need to, well, she's in Florida, but she does like, she did real housewife. She does a lot of bachelor people and she, you just need to give her a call. I could send her a picture of you and she could tell me all about you. No way.

Let's do it at the end of it. Okay. I will. But we are a lot of like I just walked into your beautiful home right now and it's so cute and it suits you perfectly but your golden retriever coming running right up to me he's obsessed with you yeah he's the sweetest thing in the world yeah but i had golden retrievers my whole life it's my favorite dog in the world and i swear we're connected somehow you are i've never seen him like he was following you and then he if you were just standing still he would sit right behind you and usually he's by my side or jason's and like he wouldn't then you came and sat down in my chair and he needed to be up on the chair with you behind you with his head on you and like he got his head rested on my back i swear

where we're connected. You are. And I believe in that too. I believe that dogs like come back. Oh, me too. The, um, the girl that I had, her name's Mystic Michaela.

She, um, does reading. She can read dogs too. And she looked at one picture of him and she knew so much about him. And it was crazy because she said, yeah, they can all,

you know, they can come have past lives and like all that stuff. I love that. Yeah. I love that. Wait, she was just on your podcast. Yeah.

Okay. I'm going to go back and listen to that one. Yeah. It was insane. You should totally call her up though, because she would read you. Totally do it. So how has your career transformed over the years from your first salons up until now?

Because now you have like, is there a moment where you're like, okay, I've made it? It was probably honestly doing Jennifer Anderson. Yeah. The first time I ever did her hair, it was like, wow, I really made it. But like I was saying a little while ago, I'm so afraid of getting comfortable in any place in my life, you know? So I'm always so afraid of ever saying, okay, I made it, you know? And actually one time I was when I was in a lot of therapy after a big breakup years ago, The therapist said to me, like, you know, Justin, at what point do you think that it'll just feel like enough?

And even though that sounds so simple, it was the first time that someone kind of put it in my face. And it kind of scared me because I was like, nothing ever really is enough. Not that I'm never content because I love my life. I'm happy. I get what you're saying. But it's just like I wake up every day with some sort. Like I want to do more. I want to do something different.

I always want to be challenged. But going back to that, it was probably Jennifer Aniston, you know. Yeah. And then there was a point, you know, when I was doing somebody. like Jennifer Aniston and a Gwyneth Paltrow and Margot Robbie and all these really big names, a lot of hair brands were coming to me and wanting me to work for their brand or be like the face of their brand. And it was at that point where I was just kind of like, you know, it's like when you're at the height of any sort of career, whether you're an actress and you're at that height, do you want to

start your own thing or do you want to be the face of something else? And I just thought about like long term goals. I was like, you know, I'm going to not make as much right now, but I'm going to start my own brand and I'll build it, build it, build it for years and there'll be a better outcome. And so that's what I've been doing with DPU and my partner. My partner is based out of Minneapolis. So we have all of our products that take care of hair color in between salon visits. And we've been working out for years and we're growing, we're growing quickly. Like we're growing really, really well. I am obsessed with your products because I, you said this earlier and you said it on your podcast when I was on it about how like

exactly what you said. You could you could slap your face, a name on something or you could make your own and build it and then be really proud of what and believe in what you're selling instead of being like, well, they told me to say this. You're like, I really truly believe in this product and here's why. 100%. And I'm probably the worst person at doing gimmicky posts on, we talked about this on my podcast, but it's just like I have a really hard time just selling stuff, you know, or just talking about things. I can say to this day, I've never taken money from brands to promote their products. You know, I've never done it. I just don't feel comfortable with it. I've always wanted to make my own money. So it was really important to me that all of my products I really believed in.

that we've worked on them for a long time. I have the ability, you know, being in the salon, when I was doing 15, 20 clients a day, I could try out all of these new products on them and really get good feedback from honest people in my chair. Right. So we've created some really great products, you know, and they're all at a great price point. I didn't want to have a line that women couldn't afford. I wanted a line that people across the country could afford. You know, New York and L.A.

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much, your hair will start to turn kind of ashy. So I say like once a week is enough. I'm a really big advocate of not shampooing your hair. I think that shampoo really really messes up your hair. Okay, tell me why. So I have not shampooed my hair in probably three years. Every once, yeah, every once in a while, it sounds so gross. But listen to this whole thing. So every few, weeks or like once a month I'll shampoo my hair with the cool blonde shampoo and conditioner to kind of like make my blonde look brighter yeah um but every day I wash my hair with our apple cider vinegar rinse so it's an ACD rinse so the thing is if we have been shampooing our hair for so many years every day what you do is you're stripping all the good oils off of your

scalp so then your scalp starts to freak out and it starts to overproduce all these oils and grease so when these girls always sit my chair and like oh I have to wash my hair every single day because it gets so greasy I'm like you've trained it to do that because your Scalp freaks out. We've got to remember that long ago, people weren't washing their hair, you know, and they had gorgeous long hair that didn't break. So it's kind of like if you had your favorite t-shirt and you threw it in the laundry machine every day, even if you're using great detergent, whatever, even if you're using great shampoo, it's drying out your hair. So then your hair is producing all this oil. That's where breakage and damage comes in. So the ACV rinse,

it's an apple cider vinegar based product with a bunch of other like conditioning agents and whatnot. And it's a quick way to clean your hair without stripping all the good. stuff out when you very first started though people will notice oh like my hair is not as squeaky clean as it is when I shampoo but that's the problem you've got to get used to it so I tell people to kind of alternate for a while with the shampoo and then eventually you'll kind of just want to use the ACV when I wash my hair now with shampoo I hate the feeling my hair is so fluffy it feels really dry so the ACV and trust me like my hair is never oily it never smells I work out I do hot yoga like every day so I sweat a lot and I never

get a greasy scalab at all. No way. That is fascinating. But if you think about anything, you know, it's like people who are addicted to chapstick. I've never in my life used chapstick. If you start using chapstick every day. Your lips dry out. Yes, your lips become addicted to it.

So it's like I have those friends who are like, oh my God, I lost my chapstick. And they have to like stop at a convenience store. And I'm like, you know, if you stopped using chapstick, like your lips will take care of themselves, you know. It's true. Or deodorant. The same thing. I was just going to say deodorant.

Yeah, I never wear deodorant. And I work out every day. If you just rinse your armpits, you're not going to smell. I know and your body just has to get used to it because it's like somebody just told me this and I switched to like an all natural deodorant and I totally notice I'm like oh yeah like it's not working but that's because you have to like battle through it a little bit to get to the point where it does work and your body just does it for you just about everything is like that I think on our bodies like our bodies are really good at taking care of themselves I never put body

lotion on my skin always like I'm like addicted to body lotion. The only thing that I do think I think that moisturizers face stuff is good for you like I I'm into that. Oh, yeah. I think that I think if I didn't use it, my skin would be fine, but I think we look better when we take care of our skin on our face. Yeah, I'm like a psychopath over, like, moisturizing my face. What product are you into right now?

Skin suiticles. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, I use a bunch of different products, but I'm like the vitamin C and the HA5 intensifier are like my go-toes for. Vitamin C is a game changer. It's so good. But I have a kind of blonde beard.

So when I use it, it turns my beard orange. It does. Yeah, so I finally found this one by, um, I'm forgetting, mirror at it's the spray. It's a vitamin C spray. Yeah. And that one doesn't do it. But vitamin C, I think is like the best for your skin. It's, it was the one product that I've used that I really saw a difference with my skin.

Totally. After like a few weeks, I was like, oh, dang. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I totally believe in it. But right now I'm using all these Barbara Stern products. And for so long, I was looking online.

I was like, oh, this is so gimmicky. They're so expensive or whatever. Right. And so I'm like, I'm going to try out this line though. And I'm obsessed with it. Really? She's so good. Her stuff is so good. What is the name again?

Barbara Sturm, I'll text it to you. She's like this, like, she's this celebrity facelist, and she has her own skin line. And it's really amazing. It's really good stuff. But it's so expensive, so nobody judge me. Yeah. Everybody wants to know the affordable products. I know.

And I'm here to give you the ones that aren't. There's so many products that are affordable and good, but that one's not. That one is not. I'm still like, okay, wait, three years you haven't shampooed your hair. I'm going to try this because I'm going away for the next. month to Canada and I want to like just do everything good for my skin hair and just like because I don't really have to be anywhere in doing anything I mean I have Ashley and Jared's wedding but that's it so I'm like I just want to take care of my hair do like treatments and not so you suggest

not shampooing it I swear by it I swear by it so much I think just like try it out first it's going to feel weird because you're not scrubbing your scalp clean right but you just kind of rinse it out your hair will feel so soft I have that stuff in my shower. Yeah. So you use ACV naturally seals the cuticle so your hair starts to look shinier. Yeah. And I swear that breakage and damage comes from us shampoo in our hair. Because you can get highlights.

You know how it's done, what, every six weeks, every eight weeks? Yeah. But shampoo and we're doing it every single day. And you're pulling all the good oil out of your hair. Then your hair is dry. And then we put a hot iron to it or a blow dryer and you just break it. So all breakage, I think, comes from. Shampoing.

That just made my life because everybody knows I hate to wash my hair. Oh, it's the worst. I wanted to ask you what your favorite part is about what you do because I know you so I feel like is it the process of coloring or is it the after when you make somebody feel so good about themselves? It's honestly a combination of both. You know, a lot of people will look at what I do

and when I do a blonde, I put in a million foils and it's a ton of little tiny pieces that I'm picking up and everyone's like, good Lord, I could never do that when they watch. And I'm in heaven, you know, I have really bad ADD so I like to be focusing on one thing. So when I'm weaving the hair, I love it, you know, so I love that part of it. I love the art part of it, like the artistic side of it, the creative side. But then I really do, when I was a kid, I used to love like watching my mom or like my few

girl cousins or girlfriends in high school put on makeup and do their hair. And I love the way that like after they would do it, they'd look in the mirror and they had like this confidence, you know, all of my best friends are girls. I love feminine energy around me. I love powerful women. I love girls who are like badass and can do things on their own. And I started noticing this thing, even when I was a little kid, I was like, gosh, when girls are done up and they feel secure and they feel confident, like, they shine. They just seem so different.

So I love that moment when I, like, turn a girl towards the chair and she looks at her hair for the first time and she, like, lights up. And she feels like she can conquer the world. Yes. You know, so I really do love that part of it. Yeah, of course. That's, I just always have to go back to Jennifer Anising because I'm like, okay. Back to Jen. Were you so nervous the first time you ever did her hair that she wouldn't like it or did you go?

and so confident and be like, I'm going to make her love this. To be honest, I'm a really confident person with things that I know. So I probably went in maybe a little bit too confident, you know, and then all of a sudden, right as I started to do my work, you know, we mix up the product. I'm going into her hair. All of a sudden, then it hit me, you know, because all of a sudden, like, holy crap. Like, this is the moment. Like I'm doing her hair.

So I was a little bit shocked. But again, it goes back to that thing. You know, you and I were just talking about energy before we started this and like just the connection with Rama and your dog. But I really believe in, like, energy. And especially when you're doing hair, you really feel it. And I'm one of those people like, I can't be around people that I don't vibe with. Like, I cannot fake it.

And that's a lot of hairdressers can because hairdressing is a very, yeah, it's such a social thing. I just can't. Like, I know within minutes if I'm not enjoying somebody's company. And so I can't fake it. But with Jennifer, it was just, it was an immediate bond. It was just, she's just, she's a great person. Like, such a California girl. I grew up in California.

We just, it just felt very natural. Yeah. easiest person for me to be around. Wow. That's amazing. That's amazing. And so you worked at salons, obviously, and then you had your own. And then how did D.P. Hugh start?

So it was kind of that thing. You know, I built a name for myself over the years. I think my big break was, you know, I started doing hair young because I dropped out of college. And it was one night, I was at the salon. I was an assistant. And I was just about to go on the floor because you are an assistant for a while. Then you go on the floor and you start taking clients.

And I was about to go on the floor. And the owner of the salon, it was like 5 p.m. And he was like, hey, you know, we just got a call from Kirsten Dunst agent. She needs to go blonde for this movie. And she was read from Spider-Man. And the owner of the salon is like, nobody in the salon wants to do it. Would you want to do it? And I was like, hell yeah, I'll do it.

So I was there at that salon until late, late at night. Quickly after that Vogue magazine wrote an article about like the up-and-coming blonde guy in L.A. And I was like, I swear I was like 23 or 24. And this was before like Instagram or any of that kind of stuff. So it was just strictly like they found me and they wrote this article about me. I didn't have a publicist or anything like that. So my career. career kind of took off from there. And then once you start doing blondes and you become known for blonde,

it's like every blonde starts coming to you. So I just started doing all these blondes. And then that's when I was saying that like different brands were coming to me being like, we want you to rep our products, you know, and work with us. And that's when I just was like, you know, I want to do my own thing. You know, I want to be. You're like, if I'm the blonde guy, I'm going to be the blonde guy. I want to have creative control and whatnot. So my partner, Donna pull out out of Minnesota had already started D.P. Hugh. Yeah. But she wanted to partner up with somebody. And she wanted to really change this brand and make it into like a product line that had everything that took care of every every need so we got put up put together and it quickly it all just kind of happened you know we started making all these

products together and gosh we've gone through so much but yeah because now you have the VIP yeah that's the one I've been to right yeah that oh yeah so my product line is called DP Hugh and what we so I'm not in a traditional salon anymore I pretty much now you know years later of doing this product stuff I only work with my celebrities influencers um because that's just really all the time that i have because i'm working on the brand so we opened up this private home up above the beverly hills hotel it is it's stunning i like every day yeah when i go in there i'm just like this really is special we took this really cool modern mid-century um house up in the beverly hills hills and we turned it into just like a private space so there's different rooms so

people can have privacy i do hair we do all these content stuff all day long we invite these girls in here into the house with really big social media followings and they can create all their own content. So that's what I work out. And you've got such a solid team too. They like you've got a photographer there and there's like a kitchen and people bring you treats. It makes me so happy when people say that and they recognize that because everyone does say it when they come out of us. We have the nicest people working. The nicest. We put together the greatest team of like really hardworking, fun, sweet people. Again, it's all about energy for me. And I want people to go in there and just feel very comfortable immediately. I love that. I love the energy thing. You want to know something crazy? Last

night I was at my friend's house and we were having wine and sitting outside and I started feeling weird like weird energy. And I was like, I'm not going to say anything because these people are like, they're going to think I'm crazy. But I feel this way. But I'm like, I'm not going to say anything. And then all of a sudden they got talking. They're like, yeah, there's a cemetery right next to outside of their gate is a horse cemetery where the owners are also buried like with the tombstones and everything right on the other side of their fence. And I had, and I was like, you guys, I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want you to think I was crazy, but I felt crazy amounts of energy coming from over there. I totally believe it. And you know, it's so funny that in this like day and age now, we still have to apologize for that because I'm the same way. I'm like, you guys, I know this sounds so L.A. right. And I'm so not into like hokey things. But I totally believe in energy. You know, it's like you feel it. You know what's happening. You know. And I think I just I think it's funny that we always are apologizing for that. Yeah, you're right. But I feel like since I was a kid, I could really pick up on energy.

Really? I honestly don't know if I did. I just didn't realize it till later, but like thinking back, I just don't think I paid attention to it or, but I wish I could say I felt it since I was a kid, but I feel like it really started when it was like when I moved. Actually, it's probably because I lost like one of my best friends and I felt her energy. And I think that's when I really started to notice it. A best friend that's like your same age. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We grew up since we were like three together. We had attaching fences in our backyards. Our families were. best friends. I'm still close with her sister. Oh, that breaks my heart. Yeah, it was terrible. Oh, it was like one. Yeah, I know, but it was like for for a long time like crazy things would happen and I put in a tape because I'm that old of when we were little and I like watch this this tape from when we were little and dancing and I started getting really upset and the the tape just stopped and spat out and and then I know and then I was like oh my gosh and my mom was there too And she was like, holy shit. And then I was like, I put it back in.

And the second I started getting upset again, it did it again. Wow. And just so many things. So many things. Yeah. And I've just had crazy experiences. But yeah, it's, it's, I feel like certain people can feel it and can tap into it more than others. And every time I talk to a medium or someone like that, they're like you, like your intuition, like you need to be more.

You need to dive into that a little more. I had, I had one say that to me too. He was actually, it was a guy. And he's like, he was pretty well known. He was going to have a big TV show. He's in L.A. And a lot of people know him. And he was in my chair and I was coloring his hair at one point.

And he was saying the same thing to me. He's like, you can pick up on people's energy. He's like, you have a lot going on around your head. And he sat in my chair and told me things that nobody should know. He said things that have literally happened since I've seen it. Like I saw him like three years ago. Yeah. And everything he was saying was going to happen has happened.

Really? Like it's just trippy. So, I mean, there's something there. You can't deny certain things. Yeah. You can't be like. that's fake when they say things that nobody would know and it's not general it's not like oh totally you know it's something specific specific and it's funny because it's like i grew up in a

religious family you know we were a mormon and so it's like we we didn't talk about psychics and that was kind of like that was like the devil's work you know so nobody talked about it was that hard to grow up Mormon and and when did you come out i don't so i came out is that a personal question no not at all i'm literally an open book yeah i know you are i pride myself to be it open book just because i feel like the more we own everything about ourselves it's like um it pretty much goes into how i came out you know i have always been very comfortable just saying exactly what i feel i didn't really know that i was gay because i've always like loved women so much so i just kind of like uh i i confused that with being in love with them but i just loved women's energy but um when i figured out that i was gay

it was like around the end of high school and i came out i came out pretty quickly i told my parents that i was gay and very luckily both my parents were very cool with it my dad gave me a huge hug my dad was like no matter what anybody says you always have to be yourself the worst people on earth are people who try to be something they're not what a great father that's such a great thing to tell your child yeah and that's why it's like when i hear these sad stories of people coming out of the closet it breaks my heart and i i always felt bad because i couldn't relate to them you know because people would talk about their like sob stories about coming out of the closet when families would tell them to get out of the house or they wanted nothing to do with them and i didn't

have that so i kind of felt insecure about it when i would talk to like a big group of gay men about it. But then I was like, you know, I need to own that because it's special. And it's, it's, it is special. And you should be proud of that. And totally, you know, that's that also has a lot to do with who you are and how you've, um, I think become successful and, and from being yourself. Right. And even with, you know, because I hung out with all the jocks in high school, like I was saying, all my cousins, you know, big jocks, whatever. And I owned it right away. I was just like, I'm gay. You know, right when I had a boyfriend, very young. I brought him to a family reunion and I never made an issue about it. And I really think it's one of those things. Yeah. If you just kind of

own it people go along with it i think it's when you're like is it okay if i'm blah blah blah you're like are you guys exactly and if you kind of like are asking for permission then people feel like it's their decision it's no one's decision this is who i am you know and show me really quick like how you're going to react to it and i've all i've honestly always had such good response from people because i just own it it's exactly who i am right the scariest people in the world are the ones who are pretending to be something that they're not i always say it must be so exhausting yeah all right so you're on your way to work You're listening to your favorite podcast, off the vine, I'm sure.

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your cravings eat them blue diamond almonds crave victoriously we'll be back with more off the vine with kately bristow now back to off the vine with kately bristow i'm a big fan of the real housewives i watch all of them i'm like obsessed yeah but all the women that a lot of people will hate online and i see a lot of people commenting all this crappy stuff are the ones that own it and it's literally i'm like what do you guys want you want these women to totally fake it like i am so much more drawn to people who are loud and outspoken, of course, still sweet and kind, but like I've never, and I think that might also be from growing up around so many religious people, you know, a lot of times it's kind of like you just smile through things. And then when someone walks out

the room, you talk about them behind their back. I don't like stuff like that. Just like be very upfront with me. That feels really, really good to me. I agree. There's so like, and I'm, you're probably the same that you can just see past it when people are like that. And I just have no time for it. No, at all. Yeah. At all. Because it makes a huge difference in your life, the people you surround yourself with and if it's like good energy positive people people that are just owning their truth and being who they are like it's so important and it's so attractive like Hannah who's just the bachelorette this past bachelorette she just completely like changed people's minds on her because they you know she was on the bachelor and people weren't

really sure if she knew who she was and she just completely grew and started to own herself through the season and it's one of the best seasons that's ever been on it's so funny you say that because I go in and out of watching the bachel because I watch a lot of tv I love tv I think it's great. As busy as I am, I will make time for TV. And I hate when people are like, I don't watch TV. I don't get it. I'm like, good for you. That's not like a badge of honor. You know, it's like TV's great. It's entertaining. Yeah, like we love it. But I was watching this season with Hannah and at the beginning, I was like, oh, I'm not going to like her. She's just like whatever. And then all of a sudden you become obsessed with her. She's so great. And that was actually one of the most like recent reminders to like not

judge a book by its cover for me. Because I never really do that. But with her, she just reminded me for some reason of like a bubbly cheerleader from high school that was fake maybe yeah and um but all of you're like oh this girl's the real deal like she's great yeah I really really like her yeah that's I feel like people really missed out if they judged her and didn't watch her season because it ended up being so great because she just owned her truth through the whole thing but not to turn this back on you and make you uncomfortable but that really is how you won everyone over because you you were probably the first bachelorette that really really just owned your shit in the biggest way, and I'm allowed to cuss on this?

Yeah, of course. In the biggest way, though. I mean, you really, you really did like own that area. I mean, you were yourself. Yeah, that's what, that was my only way of going into it. I was like, I'm like, people are going to hate this girl coming in, but I'm going in guns. And I'm sure at the beginning, you know, because the bachelor and the bachelor has a very

specific audience, you know, it's very specific. Yeah. And they like things to be a certain way, which is whatever. And I think that you really kind of shook it up a bit. And I think you opened up a lot of eyes. I think that's special. Thank you for saying that. That makes me feel special.

It needs that. Well, I think it's like evolving too. Like with the times and what we want to see now, it's more refreshing. I think we're kind of getting bored of the fakeness and the like cookie cutter, all American, you know, I think we're sick of that. In every aspect of our life, you know, social media is such a huge part of life. It's thought of our lives and it's not going anywhere, you know.

So we've got to get used to it. We've got to embrace it in some way. I always feel bad for. friends of mine who are like, oh, I hate Instagram, it makes me so depressed. I'm like, then you're using it in the wrong way. You shouldn't be following people who, you know, make you feel bad, make you feel bad about yourself. And I really think that there's this turning point that's happening where people want to see reality. They want to see their people's ups and downs. They want to see people talk about depression, talk about breakups, you know, because that's life. And I think

it's so boring to follow someone who just shows beautiful, happy things. And you think about these I agree. I agree. Bloggers who started off at the beginning of Instagram and they grew these really big followings, they're kind of dying off a little bit because people just aren't interested anymore. You see the engagement going way down. It gets boring, you know? I don't know. I do. I think you're right. I think people want to see real now and it's refreshing to have people talk about real problems because all of a sudden instead of feeling so alone, you don't feel alone anymore and you feel connected to people. And that's why, and that's how social media can be a beautiful thing is feeling like, okay, I'm not alone. These people have the same struggles as me because we all do

and it's okay to talk about it. It's really a way that's to connect all of us. You know, obviously it's social media is what it's supposed to do. But if you use it the right way, I think it's a really great tool. You know, I'm one of those people, you know, I don't have a massive following, but between my two accounts, like 300,000 followers. And I really do engage with everyone. I try to answer every single message that comes through.

And I find that like I found these people, these personalities, like I'm obsessed with. They're like my buddies. Like I love them. Like when they don't write to me one day, I'm kind of like, what's going on with Holly? you know it's like Holly if she listens she's going to know who she has like we write to each other every single day I've never met her but I love her I can honestly say I love it she feels special to me you know and so I think that now we're in this time like I would have love that when I was in high school if I could talk to other kids who were going through stuff that I was going through trying to come out of the closet if I had access to YouTube or to people like that like if you use it the right way you're right and I think that's a great thing I worry like about having kids obviously and going through that and then it's like well we can teach them you know to use it the right way you're right way that can be up to us to show them that it can be used for good yeah it is up to i went and saw a toy story for yesterday and i was sobbing at the end it was so good but i walked out of and i turned my boyfriend and i was just like that movie's such a reminder of like how innocent kids are and how

innocent we need to like treat them you know and so it's such the parent's job to protect them especially in this day and age because there's so much stuff at your at their fingertips you know and um i am nervous about the next generation but i'm also excited for the next generation yeah because I think our generation will change the next one. Like, we can go through this weird crap right now to figure it out and then be the people that can teach them. Absolutely. I think that's going be so, I think our generation is so important. I do too. Obviously, that's every generation to the next is very important. But this one especially with social media. But we're in like a major transition period. You know, it's like I, I love America. I love to be an American, but I do think

America's in a weird place right now. It doesn't freak me out. I think we'll bounce back from it, you know. The thing that does scare me right now. And I think about this. every day is there's just so much anger right now. And I think that anger is scary. I think that so many people are in attack mode right now. The minute you hear something, everyone wants to attack in this whole like cancel culture freaks me out. You know, the other day Mario Lopez made his comments, you know, about kids. And all these people start freaking out. And the show that he's on didn't let him come back to the show that day. And they didn't really have his back. And I was just kind of this place where it's like, why isn't it okay for people to just talk? He didn't say anything

terribly negative. He was just kind of questioning it and asking about it. And the internet just bulldozed him. They weren't crazy. And I just think, I think that is scary. I think it's scary. Why do you think everybody's so angry like that? Like, why do you think people are in that mode? You know, I read this really great article that I'll text you later because it's a fabulous read, but it basically says that not everyone is that way. It's a very small group of people on the internet who put out these little fires and then they just start getting spread. And it's not really, it doesn't really show how everyone feels because I on my own Instagram I was just kind of like you know we need to we need to kill this like we need to quit doing this stuff where we're like so quick to react and kind of listen to people because I'm also a firm believer that if you sit I can sit at a table with a group of anybody and I will listen to their opinions I don't want to fight I don't want to react like we all have to listen to one another to understand each other you know and like we all come from a place we come we all come from different places right and we all mean well I mean you know if you're seeing with someone who's just a monster and And it's kind of, okay, I'm not going to engage with this kind of conversation.

But for the most part, we all want the same thing. We want happiness. We want freedom. We want to feel loved. We want to feel supported. So when we're having conversations, just listen to each other, you know, and stay calm. I wish that was, you know, as easy as it sounds for people. I think that it is, though.

Again, I talked to a therapist one time who was saying, if you're a very reactionary person, if you're immediate go-to is to get loud and to get aggressive when you do don't agree with something, you really, really need to start paying attention to that right away and really quickly change how you react to when people say something that you don't agree with because it's like that's a scary thing. When you want to get loud and talk over somebody, like it just all goes back to just listening. Like we need to shut the fuck up more. And even I need to do that sometimes. Yeah, all of us do. But I mean, but I'm sure you in your own way, you know, I'm a loud person. I have a lot of opinions, but I definitely hold them back. And I

believe me like I'm not going to talk about politics but I grew up in a very conservative world I spend a lot of time around a lot of very conservative people who I love very much and I respect very much I respect their beliefs I respect their opinions and they're different than yours and sometimes clients will get mad at me like Justin why don't you get more fired up about things like that I'm like because it's not my place and I see where they're coming from I feel like we all have to see where each other are coming from you know anger and judgment is a different thing I don't think anyone should judge each other right but we should definitely give people the chance and listen, you know, um, I can listen to you talk all that. I'm like

I'm like thinking about the next time that like Jason does something and that annoys me and I don't agree with it. I'm going to really step back. My favorite conversation in the world is relationships because dealing with women in my chair for so many years, I listen when women talk about the relationships. And so I love to talk about it. And exactly that in a relationship, when you're with somebody that you love, you have to change the way you were in relationships before. You know, I used to be a very reactive person. So someone didn't agree with me. I would kind of like, I'd want to prove my point. I wouldn't have my boyfriend for five years now. He's the sweetest, kindest person in the world. And I really do think that we'll be together forever unless something happens.

And at that point, I'll deal with it. But my thing with him, you know, we are very different. If you met him, he's just, he's a golden retriever. He's just like sweet and happy and he's kind. And anytime he says something, we do not fight for five years. We do. not fight. And I think the difference is that I learned how to just really listen to people and also really accept people for who they are. My boyfriend moves very slow. I'm a very impatient person. I move quick when I want to do something. I want to do it quick. And I've had to learn to just take deep breaths. I sit in the car a lot and I just will be on the emails while I'm waiting for him to come out and get in the car. You can't change people. You've got to just like

take a minute to understand exactly who they are. Especially if you love them. If you love them and you want to be with them. And I want to be with my boyfriend forever. And the times where my head, like, God, I wish he would just blah, blah, then I remind myself, but maybe Justin, if he was, maybe that would bother you. Right. You know, because two of me together would be a freaking nightmare. I've done that before. You know, like I have to be with some.

And also with him, if he was with someone who was exactly like him, I mean, they wouldn't go anywhere. Right, right. In the sense, like, my boyfriend wants to move very slow, everything. He's taught me how to chill out, you know, because I'm not a mellow person. It's interesting to, instead of getting annoyed is learning from it. Totally. Yeah.

I learned from him. Every single day. Like, I look at him and I'm like, wow, Justin, you need to learn from that. Like, nothing bothers him. He will go places. People will cut him off. Like, things annoying will happen. He'll just keep smiling and talking to people, being really patient.

And I don't do any of the stuff that I used to do. I used to honk my horn. I used to speed around people. I do none of that now. And I've completely learned it from my sweet boyfriend. It's like you take a second. Life's going to work out. Nothing bad is going to happen.

How did you meet this angel? I know what we're going to say? The future? No, no, no, I was going to say that the few times where like, I was like, what about the future, tell me everything? The few times where he'll see me kind of start to get heated or get excited, he literally, he'll just kind of place his hand right on my back and I just feel it and I'm like, and I just calm down immediately. Because you know when someone, like, you know if you're like in a fit of rage or getting excited about something? Someone says to you, calm down, Caitlin. And never in the history of you ever calm down from being told to come.

Yes. When somebody does that, you want to punch their freaking face out. And my boyfriend, he probably could because I just like love him so much. but he never says that he'll always say i understand what you're feeling babe like that's so annoying he's like but you got to realize it's going to be fine you know when i come from work and i'm really really tired i was with the next boyfriend one time he used to say like justin like what is wrong like what's the big deal like you had a long day at work and i'm like that doesn't make me feel good where my boyfriend is like baby you had a long day just go take your time go sit in the other

room for a little while you know like calm your brain down and it's like that's a relationship when someone lets you be who you are yeah absolutely and to anybody in a relationship If you're with someone and you're questioning the relationship, if they aren't letting you be exactly who you are, it's not going to work. Yeah. And do you want to put the time in from knowing it's not going to work? Like, it's just a waste of your time. And I know that sounds so like it's harder, you know, to do that. But if people just realized that you should be with somebody that makes you feel like yourself, I've never felt more myself in life than I do right now.

Gosh, isn't it the best feeling in the world? It is the best feeling. I also have a philosophy that, like, I think for, you know, you're a very driven girl. You know what you want. I think for women like you, I think it is much better to meet people in your 30s, you know, because it's like our 20. And for me, too, as a man, you know, I spent my 20s really figuring out who I was and who I wanted to be when I met my boyfriend. You know, I was already in my 30s. And I already, I knew what kind of guy I wanted to be in my 20s had I met him in my 20s.

Had I met him in my 20s, I would have ruined it. Me too. You know what I mean? Yep. And so, and that's okay. Yeah. You know, I come from a world where it's like my cousins all get married at 20, 21. They're having babies all for the 20s.

And I was like, I would be a monster if I had four kids right now. But that's just not the same path that everybody has a unique path. You're on your own. And the one that you've chosen is the one that makes you happy. And you don't, you know, if you're doing things like everybody else, you're doing it wrong. And I wouldn't change one thing. All of my old relationships, friendships, anything I've ever gone through. I always look at it.

as a learning experience. I really, really do. And that's not like me trying to be like kumbaya, but when something bad happens in my life, I've really got to say to myself, like, why is this happening? What am I learning from this? And I really, really do believe that, you know, because it's like, we learn from things and then we become better. You know, I'm never like, oh, why me? Why does that happen to me? It's like, no, this is, why is this happening? And life just changes when you look at it from a different perspective. Like when you look at it from that, better things start happening. You start getting the right jobs and opportunities. Because I totally believe it. I'm a big believer in manifesting.

I believe in it so freaking much. I believe in it. Because it's because you've seen it firsthand. I have. Every single client that I've ever wanted has ended up in my chair from that. I wanted to do Margo Robbie. I wanted to do Gwyneth Paltrow. I wanted to do Jennifer Aniston.

I want to do Miley Cyrus. Kim Basinger was the reason I do blonde hair now. As a kid, I was obsessed with Kim Baysinger and she's a client of mine. And it's like you just put that energy out there. Yeah. You know, I, um, if I drew a picture of my. perfect boyfriend, it would be who I'm with now, you know? Yeah. Like, it just literally his looks. It's not about looks. It's just the sweetness and the kind. I'm obsessed with the golden retrievers.

And like I said, he reminds me of a golden retriever. But it's just like if you really put out there what you want and you trust that it's going to happen, eventually you'll find it, you know, I feel so bad for these people who are in relationships that they hate. And you said, you know, it sounds easier than it is. But it actually is kind of easy. I think if you're, but I get it. If you have kids and you're married and you have money tied together. I'm not trying to. that like whatever just walk away exactly yeah but i'm saying like there are those things like when you meet someone and you notice red flags right away like pay attention to those red flags if you're in a relationship or you have a job that you hate you know it's like start moving in the direction

of what you really want to do yeah you know because it's like we have this like one life you know who really knows what happens after this but it's like i want to wake up every day and be happy and i think that it's possible i really wake up every day and i swear to god i say to myself like i love my life I get in my car and I'm driving, I weirdly will just start smiling to myself because I like, even if the day is going weird and I'm tired and there's so much going on, I'm just like, I like where I'm at and I've set this up for myself. Right. That's the best part is that you've made your own path by following exactly what you love to do.

And that's how it's got you to where you are and that you do smile in the middle of traffic now because you're like, you've created your own path. One of the greatest things about my job and the women that I get to work with is I see up close and personally I get to talk to really powerful, successful, driven women. And there's always like a common theme, you know, it's like, um, they believe in themselves. They know their worth. Yeah. Um, and they remind themselves of that all the time.

And I think it's really sad going back to somebody like a Jennifer Aniston or a Chelsea handler like when people say, oh, like, they're not in a relationship or whatever. I'm like, if that's all that life is about for people, it's a bummer, you know, because it's like, I look at Jennifer Aniston and I hate talking about it because she's such a private person she doesn't have social media but I just adore her yeah but when I look at somebody like that it's like here's a person who has a fabulous life yeah you know has done so much and it's like everyone just wants to find that one thing oh but she doesn't have babies I know and like why is it I feel like people always blame the woman too like there must be something wrong with her she can't

hold on to a relationship no she's probably just this strong independent confident great energy person that like sometimes men can't handle that oh exactly and that's where it's like I I had Chelsea Handler, who's a really good friend of mine on my podcast today, and we were talking about that. And we were talking about kids and the pressure that she gets from people saying she doesn't have kids, whatever. And Chelsea was like, you know what? I'm so good with it. I love my life. And she's like, and you know what's really great, Justin?

The fact that I don't have kids gives me so much more time to give back to the world. You know, she's like, I have the money to spend on things that people who have kids might not be able to. Right. So it's just like we've all, we've got to chill with the judgment and questioning because it's like let people live life the way that they want to. I hope we see a difference in. that. I think I do think we have the conversation about it. So I'm hoping people. I think it'll happen. I selfishly hope it happens sooner than later because I am a true. I think women should rule the world. I think if women ruled the world, it'd be a totally different place. I think that

women are way. Yeah, we are. You know, I hope it happens in our life. And then also our generation, I think the really great thing is that men, my age and younger are much more comfortable with being sensitive and I was very lucky I have a big burly handsome dad that he met him he's kind of like onry looking or whatever but he's the biggest teddy bear in the world so sensitive I've seen my dad cry so many times my dad would always say to me when I was a kid like Justin you let your feelings out you cry when you want to that whole thing about being a man is such bullshit you know and I think that this generation under us with these men who are sensitive it's like metrosexual men and all this kind of stuff but it's like no they're going to be sensitive and they're going to listen

and more. Which is so important. Yeah. So we're in a weird transition. It'll get better, I think. I just love you. I didn't even know that was going to come out of my mouth. I genuinely.

I love it. I feel like I love you. That's so great. And I mean, is there someone that you like dream to work with that you just feel like they would, you know, like this. Who's your dream like strongest woman that you're like, that's my next goal? Um, you know, it was like a also like a Chelsea hand there. I always wanted to meet Chelsea because I just respect her so much. I love her sense of humor, obviously. Um, and so when we met, we became friends really, really quickly and I just adore her. So like Chelsea would have been one of them. I already said Jennifer Anderson. I love people like Brene Brown. You know. Um, I think she's fabulous. I'd love to meet her one day. I'm a weird Britney Spears freak. I love Brittany. You could really do some work on her. I know. And everybody always says is it your dream to work on Britney Spears? And I say this story. I'll, time it's a broken record but I don't really want to work with her because I think I'd be disappointed

not with her I think she'd be fabulous and I would love to talk to her but I don't think she cares about her hair I think that's why it looks like that I think she gets people five minutes like she sits in the chair and she's like you put the first boil and she's like are we done you know like I hear about people doing her makeup and it's like within minutes she's like can we be done so it's like I wouldn't get the time to really change her hair color but I would like to meet Britney Spears because I just adore her and I think she's the most misunderstood person yes on earth and I think, you know, I have no tie to her, so I'm not giving away any secrets, but I don't think she's allowed to be around the people that she really needs to be around. Yeah, I think you're right.

I think you're right. I feel like she's just like, like a little bit lost right now because of that. Totally. And again, it goes back to who you surround yourself with. Yeah. Because I think she's just such a bright light. Yeah. And total bright light. Yeah. That's the mystic Michaela was telling me that she has like the most rare pink aura around her. That Brittany does? Yeah. Oh, I love that story. Yeah, I know. Because I talked to a hairdresser friend of mine who had worked with her recently, and he was like, when Brittany looks you in the eyes, there's just magic.

Like there's something so special about that girl. And if you really think about it, I mean, the ups and downs that Britney has gone through and the fact that all these people are still rooting for her. There's something special. Yeah, there's something special about her from afar. But I heard when you're around her, there's just something really special about her. She's got a drive, you know, and I'm a huge fan. I wore this shirt recently.

on my Insta story on my personal page where I had Britney's face on it when she had the shaved head. Yeah. And a bunch of people were like, how could you wear that shirt? You're such a fan of Britney. That's so disrespectful. And I was like, it's actually to me the opposite of disrespectful. I think that this like shows a time in her life where she was resilient. She made it through it.

I think that we should honor shaved head Brittany forever and be like, girl, you made it through this time. Because it's like, again, it goes back to that thing. Like I like people for their flaws. Yep. You know, we've got to celebrate their flaws. And it's like. And they're dark times. And they're low points because those are pivotal times.

It's not going to go away. You know, it's like I love 1999, Brittany. I love Brittany now and I love shaved head Britney, you know, because it's just like we had to see it, you know? Yeah. That can be my confession. I was on the news when I was 23 years old for being a Britney fan. No way. Yes.

I like, and I made it on her, um, Britney Spears.com on this video. Please find that somehow. I should. I, you know, when I, went on the show, I deleted it off the internet because it was so embarrassing because I was on the news and I'm like, I'm the biggest Britney fan and I'll tell you why coming up next and it involves these. And I pulled up a pair of panties and it was a thong. And I wore my underwear over my pants and went to a Britney Spears concert with like a fake snake around my neck and like a fedora. And I was like, yeah. This is the best story on her. I love it. You just said we should honor shaved head. Brittany. I'm going to make. got a t-shirt for us we literally should though like and we should yeah everybody's low point you should honor and celebrate it and just like own it goes back to own it Lisa renna own it. I love that. Can you tell me your confession? Um so my confession since I do hair for a living um this is more

of kind of like a story like a confession of like because people always say like what was your biggest mistake when you did hair and I would always kind of say oh I haven't really done because I didn't really have any big mistakes because when you're doing hair color if you see something going wrong you can quickly kind of fix it or you can add a gloss or whatever um so i've never really had it but i did have when i very first went on the floor i was young and when you first go on the floor you don't have any clients so this salon will kind of feed you left or overflow of clients right so i was in the salon and this guy came in and in beverly hills not a lot of people walk into salons they kind of know where they're going so they make an appointment so this really handsome older guy came into the salon one day

and the owner came to me and he wants to get a relaxer and he's like you know how to do relaxers, right? And I'm like, oh, yeah, absolutely. I know how to do relaxers. I had no idea how to do relax. I've never done it. It's like there's an art to it. You know, like you have to know whatever. And so I asked another stylist, hey, can I use your relaxer? because there's one girl in the salon who did it. So I bought her stuff. She told me kind of how to do it. And I always kind of do everything a little bit extra. Like if someone wants to be blonde, I want to make him really blonde. So I'm like, okay, he wants his hair straight. I'm going to make his hair really straight. So I use the really strong relaxer, put it on his hair,

left it on longer than I was supposed to. When I went to wash out his hair. And this is a guy who clearly cares about his hair right because he's handsome he's coming into a fancy beverly salon whatever he just moved to l.A. So I did it on whatever I'm like scared brought him back to my chair because now I'm going to cut his hair in LA you specialize you do haircut or color but when I first went on the floor I was doing everything just because I wanted people in my chair to make money so he came back to my chair I kind of pull the towel off his head and I start to comb through his hair to cut it and it's just the hair is falling off literally coming off at the root like just like every time I comb the hair is just coming off And I am sweating so hard.

And the girl who let me borrow the relaxer was in the chair, like a couple chairs down. And she was watching the whole thing. And she kind of knew. But you know when you're so uncomfortable and freaked out that you start laughing, like you want to laugh? So I was, I wanted to die. I wanted to die. And I'm sitting there and I'm cloning's hair and it's all coming out. I'm looking at her and she, her mouth is like dropped over.

So I'm like holding in laughter. I'm like, why the hell do I want to laugh? Because I wanted to cry, you know. Long story story. And I'm freaking out. And he figures out. He's like, whoa, what is going on? And I was like, I've got to be really honest.

I messed up. You know, and at that age, it's like, you know, I think a lot of hairdressers do this where when something happens here, they immediately want to blame the client. Like, well, what did you have in your hair? Right. Or what's wrong with your hair? Does your hair always break or, you know, whatever? And I learned really quickly, like, you just got to own shit and just say, I'm sorry.

So I immediately was just like, I messed. I ruined your hair. Like I just, I owned it. Did he freak out? No, he stayed so calm. And it was one of those things. I think he saw in my eyes that I was about to cry. Yeah.

And I was saying to him, so the point of this story is, is I'm a big believer in faking it until you make it. Right. But in situations where you know that you don't really know what you're doing, you've got to be able to say, no, this isn't my specialty. And I'll move on. It's not just about a dollar. And I believe about that in everything in my life.

And I want to go back to talking about taking money from people to promote stuff on Instagram. I won't do that. Like, I want people to trust me. I want to be honest. So anyways, long story, he ended up. He came to me for years after that for haircuts. He kept coming back to me.

you know the way that we kind of like bonded over i mean he left with i had to shave his head i shaved this guy's beautiful like hair shaved his head i mean he was gorgeous so it looked fine yeah but it was that thing he really appreciated the way i like owned it and i was so so sorry i'm like i'm freaking out like i'm so sorry like i don't i i've never done this before to be completely honest i wanted to i thought it was easier whatever i love that he kept coming back here he came back to me for years so my thing is is um just be up front and honest i love that that's a great great little life lesson there what do other people talk about like some of their confessions oh like everybody poops their pants well my biggest poop story was like when i was a kid i when i was in

freshman year of high school the senior who lived across the street was the coolest guy ever john peterson like drove a porch he would always have these huge um parties at his house and i want to go over to the house so bad and so one time he was like hey come over we're having a party tonight so i'm like a freshman in high school hanging out with them whatever i had to go to the bathroom so bad like number two like so bad so I go upstairs to this bathroom I use the bathroom all of a sudden someone's knocking the door I'm like shit because I'd gone shit right you know so I'm in the bathroom because I thought I went to a bathroom that no one was going to so I'm in there the door is shut he's knocking up people are knocking the door all of the sudden like oh my god oh my god so I finish up my stuff

I go to flush the toilet the toilet doesn't work of course yeah so the toilet doesn't work now people are knocking like who's in there like whatever I grab the toothbrush cup that's next to the sink scoop it out and I chuck it out the window and we're on like a third story thing And I checked out of the window. So I checked out the window. Then after, it's like the party's filling up and people are migrating down to that area. And everyone's like, what the hell is this smell out there? I just like went home at that point.

And the fact that I'm saying that right now, and you're really popular podcast is going to blow my boyfriend's mind because I'm one of those people like I have a sick sense of humor. And I'll talk about everything. Nothing offends me like, I do not talk about poo. Really? I'm also in a relationship where I think my number one rule in relationships to keeping the romance. alive is you do not poop in the same room as the person you're in love with because i think that

that is something that should stay a mystery i don't think anyone should walk in and be like whoa what did you do in here you know it's just like that's something i five years that i've been my boyfriend and we both feel this way we're both like this like every time we travel i know it sounds extravagant but we make sure there's always two bathrooms if we get in a situation where there's only one bathroom in the hotel room we have a whole system i go downstairs i go to the gym while he takes care of his stuff Then my relationship's in trouble. No, and no. But then you, people can be together where that's not a thing.

I mean, I'm not like in the room pooping with him. Yeah. Or like those people who like are like, oh, my boyfriend always farts in the bed. I'm like, well, that's not cute. Oh, that's not cute. Yeah. I'm fine with guys farting. And I think like, I'm like, ooh, he's so confident.

Yeah. But in the bed, absolutely not. Right. Well, so that's the thing. That's just my thing. So the fact that I share that story is like, whatever. That's so funny. Do you do, your boyfriend's like Austin, right?

Austin, yeah. Do you do his hair? So I just recently came out with a product with one of my best friends, Kristen Cavalieri. We have a product that's similar to those products we used to use when we were a kid that lighten your hair in the sun. So Kristen and I made this product called the blonding brush. And it's a brush that you pump out the product and it has a purple pigment in the liquid. So you can strategically place it on your hair while you go out in the sun. So he uses that and his color was perfect from that.

But that product is best for people who are naturally already kind of light. Like your hair lifts really quick. You could actually use it. you know, put it on your pieces that you want a little bit lighter. Oh. But he has gorgeous blonde hair, but it's from the blondion brush. Oh, my gosh. I love that.

That's cool. Okay, we're going to play a quick game of Factor Fiction, hair edition. And then we're going to wrap it up. Perfect. I don't want to, but we... I know. Okay. Fact or fiction, cutting your hair more often makes it grow faster.

It's not... It doesn't make it grow faster. Because if you think about it, it's coming out of the same spot. It's coming out of the top of your head. What I think that people are noticing is how much thicker and fuller it feels because trims are very important when you have longer hair because you want to have that like a kind of blunt line and when hair is kind of scraggly at the ends things start to break if you think about it when you do a round brush and you pull there's going to be longer

pieces of snag and you start to tear the other hair so if you're always kind of having clean lines things don't snag and tear as much does that make sense yeah it does make sense actually yes trims are very important I'm fascinated by that question if you pluck one gray hair two will grow back in the same place. I don't, I don't think that that's true by any means, no. Okay, good,

because I have a couple I need to put on a similar note, stress can cause your hair to gray. I 100% believe that. I had one of like the hardest years last year just like stress-wise, so much going on work-wise, a lot of transition,

and my beard started turning gray. Really? And then once I calm down, it started coming back in normal color. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah. And I've seen clients who have had a lot of gray

and then they don't as much later. Wow. that's interesting that was a mouthful I was like trying to follow my eyes were crossing brushing brushing brushing your hair often is beneficial much like the old advice

to stroke your hair a hundred times per day so what it is is stimulating the scalp you want to stimulate your scalp your scalp can fall asleep so I you know I totally believe that you got to wake up your scalp and it like stimulates hair growth That's how I, I mean, I did a lot of things.

Collagen and stimulating my hair was when I lost pieces from... I remember you telling me that. Yeah, that's how it grew back. The collagen help? The collagen definitely helps. I'm loving collagen. I take it every morning in my coffee and I swear that it's helping. Me too.

I'm a big believer in collagen. Big. Yeah. You should follow the instructions of lather rinse repeat. Don't shampoo your hair. Use the ACVs. Vitamin supplements. such as biotin and prenatals can help your hair grow faster.

I totally believe in that. I think that... I take prenatals. Yeah, I think hair is everything is about what's happening on the inside. A lot of times, like I'll see clients who go through sickness, you know, and they lose all the hair because the vitamins are depleted. Women who are pregnant, they have all those hormones and whatever going on in their body.

Their hair is really, really thick. So I totally believe it. The one thing to be scared of is biotin can make people who are prone to like cystic acne break out more. Oh, really? So I have friends who, when they take biotin, they totally. totally break out because there's a lot going on inside. So you've got to lower your dose of biotin or maybe skip biotin altogether. Oh, that's good to know. Yeah, I take prenatals just for the hair

growth and I did notice a difference too. I'm like, I'll do it all. Okay, so tell us why you were in Nashville, what's coming up and just where people can find you. So I'm Justin Anderson on Instagram is my personal Instagram where I post a lot that I just like act myself. Justin Anderson color is all of my hair work and I do for hairdresser. Anyone who is a hairdresser. I do tons of tutorials. I give away all my secrets. I believe in like, I believe in giving comes back to you, whatever.

So I share all my stuff there. My podcast is in the chair with Justin Anderson. That's where I just, I literally open up my chair conversations with clients to the podcast. So we just like talk and we record it and people hear what's going on in the chair. My products, D.P. Hugh, that's at D.P. Hugh on Instagram. I am moving to Nashville to do like a really fun project. So you and I will become real friends.

This is going to be so much fun. I have so many people that I love in Nashville. That's why I'm just so drawn to Nashville. I'm so excited that you're going to be here. Yeah. So I will be here a lot more. Okay. Amazing.

And you're you make appearances on the Cavalry show all the time, right? Yeah. So Kristen is one of my best friends. We've been friends forever. And I was on her season last season and, um... I watched that one. You did? I was only when I watched.

I was like, oh, Justin. And, yeah, I'll talk more about what I'm going to do with her later. Yeah. love it. They make you be a, everything's a secret, right? I know. Yeah, we'll do more. Yeah, because then you got to tease it and then you'll be able to talk about it all. Yeah. Well, I'm so excited and I just adore you. I adore you. Every time I'm around you, we just have so much fun together. I know. It's because we have good energy. We do. We do. But thank you so much for having me come on. Of course. Of course. And we'll do it again sometime. Yeah, we will. Okay. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday.

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