Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Kaitlyn Bristowe | The Tell-All You’ve Been Waiting For!

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

#829. Kaitlyn is finally setting the record straight. In this unfiltered and emotional tell-all, her best friend Kat Campbell takes over the mic to ask the hard-hitting questions—no topic is off-limits. Why is Kaitlyn often misunderstood? From past relationships to public scrutiny and her biggest fears about settling down, she opens up like never before. It’s raw, real, and the last time she’s addressing certain rumors. This is the episode you don’t want to miss.If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Covergirl: Superboost your lashes with NEW Lash Blast Supercloud Mascara from COVERGIRL! Clump-free, smudge-free, and lasts up to 24 hours—perfect for any look! Only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful COVERGIRL.Beam: If you want to try Beam’s best-selling Dream Powder, get up to 40% off for a limited time when you go to shopBEAM.com/VINE and use code VINE.Shakeology: You’ve got to try these shakes – go to Shakeology.com and get 15% off with code VINE.EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:(2:14) – Why Kaitlyn feels misunderstood!(6:54) – The biggest issues she’s faced in relationships.(14:13) – Her fears about settling down and past relationship patterns.(17:50) – Addressing the rumors about co-parenting her dogs.(25:13) – The truth about a certain friendship breakup.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Okay, listen up if you love a good slow burn romance, and let's be real, who doesn't? You need to check out the new Audible Original of Pride and Prejudice. It's an intimate performance that literally makes you feel like you're right there swooning with Lizzie Bennett and Mr. Darcy. Marisa Abella as Elizabeth and Harris Dickinson as Darcy, I'm obsessed. So whether it is your first time with Jane Austen or your 50th, this version is such a fresh, fun listen. Go to audible.ca slash Jane Austen to dive in. Grab a coffee and discover nonstop action with Bud MGM Casino.

Check out our hottest exclusive. Friends of one with Multi-Drop. Once even more options. Play our wide variety of table games. Or head over to the arcade for nostalgic casino thrills only available at BetMGM. Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. 19 plus to wager, Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Conix Ontario at 1866-531-2600 to speak to a advisor free of charge but mGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with eye gaming ontario this episode of off the vine is brought to you by cover girl super boost your lashes with new lash blast super cloud mascara from cover girl clump free smudge free and last up to 24 hours perfect for any look only from easy breezy beautiful cover girl beam if you want to try beam's best selling dream powder get up to 40% off for a limited time when you go to shop b e a m dot com slash vine and use code Vine. And Shakeology. You've got to try these shakes. Go to Shakeology.com and get 15% off with

with Code Vine. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Okay, look at the camera. Say, hey everybody. Hey, everybody. I'm Kat Campbell. I'm Kat Campbell. Welcome to Off the Vine. Welcome to Off the Vine. Today we are asking Caitlin some really uncomfy questions. Today we are going to to ask, I am going to ask Caitlin some really uncomfortable questions I asked. I pulled the crowd and also I had a few that I thought would be good to answer. And hi, I'm Caitlin. I'm the guest today and I'm scared of the backlash. Stay off of Reddit. Please don't send her Reddit articles and enjoy. And nobody get all fired up and start a warrior. It's just my truth and that's it. I'm never talking about it again after this. Bye.

Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Kat Campbell, just for today, because I felt like sometimes you're not understood. I find it very cute that you're very concerned about me being misunderstood because probably you see the effect sometimes of me being upset. But it's so cute that it like hurts me. I want people to see what I see. And I'm like, but they want to hate me if they want to hate me.

But I feel like the people here are good. people like the people listening the vinos are the real ones but honestly if anyone that that isn't a real one wants to tune in maybe they'll have a different perception of you and that is my hope oh that'd be nice so i compiled some questions to ask you and she has not heard any of these questions in fact i even said to you i was like do i want to prep and i was like no that ain't me that ain't me so i'm going to kind of start with some like more serious ones and then we're going to go into just some like silly rapid fire okay um i'm just going to raw dog these answers raw dog it says Whatever. Honestly, whatever comes to mind I'm not holding back. And I have no idea. Because I told you there's only one thing off limit. And that's my dating life right now. Otherwise, let a little bug. And we're going to let a few things bucks. We're going to let a few things books. So buckle up, bitches. Bucking up bitches. Okay. Why do I keep repeating what you're saying? Yes, stop.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Why, this is kind of broad, but why do you think you're misunderstood? I have an answer after you. Oh, okay. I would like to hear your opinion. I think it's because women have been taught to stay quiet and do this and be this way and not be to this or we've all been taught to be quiet and like look good. And I feel like I came out of the womb wanting to be different, wanting to be heard. I also believe this is a little woo-woo, but I believe that this is my last life. And I think every life that I've lived, I've gotten murdered in a past life for having a voice, protesting on the streets. I think I've always just fought for like a voice. And I think this lifetime, I'm using it as like, oh, I got slut shamed on a TV show. I've always been this outspoken, say what I want, do what I want, be who I want.

And I don't think people were used to seeing that on a TV show. And I don't think they're used to, especially having a bachelorette like that, because I've said it, million times I think they want the girl next door the put together one and I was not that and I think it really shook people that I was open to talking about sex or like having tattoos or doing whatever and I think that makes people uncomfortable because of what they've been taught. I also believe that people wish they could be a little more outspoken, a little more vulnerable, a little more edgy say what they want and not worry about the repercussions and so there's a tiny hint of jealousy in there 100%. Yeah. I feel like that is like you hit the nail on the head. And like everybody

listening or everybody that likes you or hates you is probably thinking this if they don't have a friend like you or out in the open, that's what you giggle about behind closed doors. Like I feel like the things that you are willing to talk about in the open are things that everyone would talk about, but just like not out in the open. So I feel like for me, you keep me on my toes because we have some of the funniest, silliest times,

but you to your core are the exact same out in the open, behind closed doors, but like your ability to connect and be friends with someone is like, not me getting misty.

Like you are one of the most genuine people I've ever met. My whole family thinks it. Oh. Yeah. And that's really all that matters to me. And I get mad sometimes because I'm like,

oh, I want this person to see what everybody, like my close friends see, but I don't, they don't. They don't. And I'm not friends with them. And I probably don't want to be for the people that don't see what you see. Yeah, like you don't want to be a fridgy bitch that like doesn't say what you want to say. Like you're just. Yeah, I don't want to be crotchety. That's my favorite word. I don't want to be crotchety. What's the word I keep using? You don't know. No, I don't, I don't be using that one. I've never heard that word come out of your mouth. remember it was a word you like what does that mean and I was like my mom said it all the time oh puny puny like when you're feeling puny yeah okay anyways that's it really i have more to add because

i also think first of all thank you for getting all cutie on me yeah puny anytime but i think like the people who really hate me are like the few minions that really love my exes or who really it's either jealousy a minion of an ex or somebody who's mentally ill or someone thinking that you should be okay you're 39 years old you should be doing this you should be doing that like are you jealous because you've been married for 20 years and you've got 12 year old kids but you're 40 like because I also wouldn't want to be you like to you miss I don't I'm age is just a number but if you're 65 and complaining to me about where I should be in life I don't want to be where you're at in life. And if I'm doing it different than you, then God bless

America. Well, and that's the beauty of, like, the ability to just, it's a free country. You can be exactly what we want to be. Why do we hate on other people for doing that? It's getting worse, too. Like, obviously, it's not just me who receives so much backlash and hate, but it does feel like I'm an easy target a lot of times. That's what I've always said to you. I feel like you become an easy target because you speak your mind and sometimes you will clap back and other people are like, I just silences, speaks the loudest, but I feel like, I don't know, I'm just a defensive friend and I feel like this is your time to let the people know. What do you think is the biggest issue for you in relationships slash, is there a common denominator for why they've ended?

Whoa. Yeah. Okay, that's a two part. First part is, say it again. What is the biggest issue for you in relationships, like within me or in a relationship? I kind of think within you, like, maybe like, not to be like, blame you, but like if there were things that made the relationship, and was it like insecurity or was it? Like if I was going to be self-aware right now and take some accountability. Yes. Okay. I would say I'm competitive.

I think the competitive comes from always searching for my own voice and feeling like I finally found a place where I have my own voice. So when other people try and come into my lane, I get competitive because I'm so passionate about being one of the first to do this. And then I don't want someone taking something away from me and then feeling used instead of like heard and understood. So I think competitiveness is one. It's been different in every relationship. We all know about the one in Germany. We fucking get it. But I think that when I was just like too dependent on somebody, with Sean, I think there was so much toxic back and forth between the two of us. We met each other at our insecurities instead of calming the other one down or helping

or understanding or hearing the other person. We would like meet them at their anger level. And I think we were just like two people who were very much in love but like couldn't let go of things. I hold on to things. Okay, that's what I will say. I hold on to a lot of resentment. And instead of repairing these little rips that happen over time, it just builds.

And then there's no going back. So I hold on to big, massive, hairy resentment. Like, it's bad. Not Harry. That hairy. Speaking of hairy. But I feel like I really hold on to things. If somebody gives me a feeling of betrayal, if I'm like, hey, this is the one thing I can't have in a relationship.

and they go and do that later, that betrayal is really hard for me to let go of. So I feel like, what did I start with? Dependency, which I've learned, and now I'm hyper independent. Competitiveness. Competitiveness. Grudges and resentment. Like kind of along the lines of when you said betrayal, I feel like you sometimes assume that people are going to do that because it's happened so many times.

So I sabotage. You self-sabotage. And I always like to remind you like, not everybody's out to get you and there are good people in this world so I'm and I'm like I don't believe you okay well I'd like to prove you wrong okay I believe there's some but yeah I I guess also trust is big issue for me because well every relationship has has shown me my insecurities are validated well and we're going to get into that in a little bit with some of the people so great not naming names but we will be able to if you're a real one you know okay this is like kind of a quick one but do you

have a fear of settling down um yes did you like to back up back up there's a second part to the question that i missed the second part was is there a common denominator for why they've ended i definitely feel and again i want to make this so clear i actually can now look at sean and you know this and be like i really am happy for him i actually want the best for him i would like to be friends i feel like i've like got really quiet with thoughts of anger that I used to have towards him. And now I actually have compassion instead of anger. And I've moved through a lot of emotions for him where I actually want to hug him and like be friends and say like, I know why you've shared with me why this hurt you so bad.

And you wanted to get me back. And we were both vindictive. And it was in this time in my life. But like I'm so happy for him and where he's at right now. So but the common. So I want to put that out there first. Cheers to growth. So that's growth.

But at that time, I felt like he was hanging on to the relationship to open his gym. I felt used. I did not feel loved. I felt like he knew that us together was better than him on his own. I'm saying this from my standpoint. I'm not saying he actually did this. Same thing with I still can't even say his name because I have not grown as much. Oh.

it's not that I say his name and I'm like I'm more like god here we go magazine we're just going to pick this up yes and they're going to take a bad headline but my last relationship again I felt and he knew this I felt very used although my house was paid off I would have to go to him on the first of every month being like can you split bills that makes me feel cheap we had both very similar income I felt like he was like riding away And I'm not saying he didn't love me because I think he did also, I'm sure. But it felt like riding coattails, riding a wave, got to where he wanted to get to. And I think why he was so broken about the relationship was because he didn't know who he was without me.

And I think he still is really working on who he is without a dog, a girlfriend, a something. And I would really encourage that person to get quiet with himself and actually find out who he is. Well, and something interesting about that is, like, to the average person, like me who has no, like, podium to stand on from any TV shows or, like, recognition, it's like breakups for an average Joe don't have that many, like, components to it. So I feel like it's really, it's interesting that you say that because, like, I can't ever put myself in that situation to be like, oh, my God, yeah, I would be this. Like, I've never been that mad over breakup because it's been like, hey, we just weren't compatible. Whereas yours is, like, just layer. that like most of us can't relate to and I could I can own everything I did wrong in that relationship I definitely was trying to hold him back from podcasting because I knew it was

same thing with Sean opening a gym I was like I know this is the nail in the coffin because our relationship is already not good with with Jay I was like I know that you starting a podcast is going to cross wires it's my favorite thing that I do you knew moving into my house. That's the one thing I was like, please don't do. He did it anyways. It was all just about his schedule, what would make him grow financially. He always said financially, professionally and personally. And I was made to feel crazy because I was stunting his growth. But really, I knew exactly what was going to happen, which happened. He started taking email lists and these clients and this and building up his from what I've already built. And then the resentment starts.

And the thing about this is, no matter how much I could explain this situation, the people who love him will always hate me. The people who love me will see exactly what I see. So there's like, I'm not trying to prove anyone of this and he's a bad person. I don't think I treated him very nicely towards the end because I was so angry because of feelings of betrayal. It feels like he really lost the plot of a relationship. Yes.

I think that is totally fair. And I'm glad that you clear that up because I don't think everybody knows that. So back to the other question is, do you have fear of settling down? Big time. Why? Divorced parents, one, I think is probably, I saw my parents have a loving, happy relationship. So if that ends, why wouldn't mind the kind of thing? Yeah.

I think it's my brain goes, well, it's only a matter of time. You know me. I go worst case scenario all the time. I'm like, oh, my dogs are breathing slower. They're dying. I'm like always looking for the worst. And so I always assume somebody will fall out of love with me. Also, I've had three relationships where they act like, we love how outspoken you are.

We love how successful we are. We love how this you are. And then it becomes some weird thing where it's competitive on their end. But then it brings out my competitive side. And so I think I'm scared of somebody tricking me again and again where I'm like, is this the real deal? or am I being tricked and you really just love the life I live and what I have? Or do you really love who I am? And if you really love who I am, are you going to fall out of love with me in 10 years when shit gets hard?

And so I just think, well, just don't settle down then or just not. I mean, I clearly was engaged twice. I was ready to settle down. It's more of like, are you going to be who you've shown me? That person who I wanted to sell down with wasn't the same person when I met them to where it was. Totally. Later. And that's terrifying.

I can't make this any more clear. I never once said he couldn't see the dogs. I said I'm no longer willing to co-parent the dogs. I always said to him, I will never take the dogs away from you. You can come see them on the weekends. Just meaning you're not going to do a week on, week off for the rest of your lives. I'm not letting the dogs bounce back and forth. Bunny's buddies, it is in the contract that they cannot have these dogs who literally

Raman was found in a ditch with a broken hip from being abused by humans. Pino was on a meat truck on his way to being probably food. These dogs came with severe anxiety. They got so comfortable at home. And to go back and forth and they were so confused, Raman would play dead and not want to go anywhere. Pino was like, it was just sad. It was sad to see. Terrifying. Jason talked to people. What was best for both dogs is to stay in one home. I said I'm no longer willing to co-parent the back and forth. Never once did I say you can't see the dogs. And so then he went on a podcast and said, I'm not allowed to see the dogs. And his co-host said something like, oh, let me guess it was around the time of your new relationship. And he went, yeah, I would have

never said he couldn't see the dogs. Has he asked to see the dogs? No. And when I said, I'm no longer willing to co-parent the dogs, that was two months after we had been gone back and forth while he was in a relationship. Maybe the public didn't know he was in a relationship, but I did. He told me. And we were doing the co-parenting thing. And as soon as I said, I'm not willing to, I'm not saying he's wrong for this because he was in a relationship. She might have been like, let it go. Some people on the internet were like, let Caitlin have the dogs, but he never once tried to see them. And I just can't handle him going on a podcast saying, wasn't allowed to see them. Yep, it was around the time of the relationship. No, it wasn't. So that crossed my mind. And if we're,

We're really getting honest on this podcast. Clearly I'm fired up. I had a shot of tequila before this. So if I'm being honest. So if I'm being honest. I think it's mean and pathetic to rescue. Not to rescue. Bless you for rescuing.

I'm such a believer in that. But to name your dog, am I going there? It depends if you, like, is there any chance you'll use it? No. Not anymore. Okay. Then send it. I'm making this clear that I'm not, I'm, it's not that I'm not over him.

I'm very much over him. I ended the relationship. I did not want to be in that. It felt icky to me. It felt like everything was for Instagram and numbers. I did not want to be in it. But to get a dog and name that dog, my dream baby name that I've had in my baby names for 10 years that, in fact, I even have a text that says to him. Huh?

You sent it to me. I sent it to you. A text. I said the. Day I met him, I want to name my baby Teddy. Just to wrap that up, I know I seem very angry, but it's more like, I don't like feeling disrespected. And I just have so many gross feelings from that because for so long, I was made to feel

crazy. And now I'm like, oh, I'm not crazy. I just saw what other people are seeing now. And it's, that's not, that's not, it's just not aligned. What I want out of life is not what he wants, and that is what two people shouldn't be together like that. So I'm not fully angry. I'm just really grossed out and disappointed, and this will probably be the last time I will ever speak on him ever again because I didn't for so long. And that felt really good because I had let it go.

And then that kind of just fired something up in me again. And I think it's okay to talk about. How do you manage feelings of life timelines? I'm going to be 40 in two months and I feel like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. Great. Yeah. Do you want kids?

Yes. Cool. I think I would even like, well, for my 40th birthday, I'm gifting myself with fibroid removal. Great, great. Nothing says 40 more than needing your fibroids removed for your geriatric pregnancy that you want to have. You know what?

People do it. Didn't freaking. So many people. Janet Jackson had a baby. get like 56. I mean, yeah. And like my plan, if all goes well, end of 40, I could be pregnant having a baby at 41. And I'd be so happy. And you have frozen eggs from when you were 32. And I have frozen eggs. And I will be removing all the fibroids that could cause any issues. And it'll be all cleaned out in there. Amen. And we'll just get it going. Yeah. Just get some healthy sperm up in there.

And just, yep, and we know how that works. Crank it out. Yes, yes. All right. So on to the next question is do you think we'll ever find out what you and colton were filming for the love of god i wish this is something where i'm like how can i still not talk about it that was in september you can just say coming soon coming very soon okay so let's just yep coming soon coming very soon i'm i would say hopefully announcing in the next few weeks great yeah yeah um okay let's talk about i'm not going to use any names, but a lot of you asked this question. Wait, may I add to that for one second? Just while we're on, this is a very honest podcast for me and I'm like, I want to have a

lot of integrity with it. I am friends with Cassie and I know a lot of stuff went down between Colton and Cassie. And I know that I've had many conversations with him about how he feels and what he has done wrong. And he is an actual golden retriever who is so happy. right now and was so lost at the time. And when I was getting to work with Colton, it was very important to me to reach out to Cassie and have the conversation with her. And she was very gracious and grateful. And then I got to move forward with that. I think that should be known.

I love that. A lot of you asked about a certain friend breakup. And I don't think we're going to use a name, but I think if you've been listening, you'll maybe know. Yeah. What happened? So much. I'll try and wrap it up in a not so sweet little box and a not so sweet little bow. But it's sad.

It's really sad. It makes me sad. That person was someone that would have been in my wedding party. Again, when I feel any sense of ick, like, icky, this doesn't feel right. This feels gross. It's hard for me to come back. So what I felt when my last. relationship ended was that friend relationship friend relationship no not that one friendship well when the

actual relationship ended okay yeah it felt as though this friend was taking it harder than I was and kind of using it for social media and I was kind of letting it slide because I loved him so much right and it was he was family at this point and so I kind of let it go but then there was some there were signs There were signs. And there was some stuff going on very much behind the back where I'm not sure this person realized that at that time, Jason and I were still on good terms and talking. And a lot of things weren't adding up. And a lot of trust was lost. And I even reached out saying, if there's any, the last text I sent is if there's any thing that I have done that I need to be held accountable for that made you want to go behind my back because you were. scared of me or something that I did, please let me know I'd like to hold myself accountable. No response. Just felt like a lot of, I'm really sad about it because, like I said, like he was family and I'm very confused as to why, I can't believe I'm talking about all this.

Well, I'm just confused. Can I say the part that I started to know? Because I love to him as well. But then I kind of started to see signs. But there was one day I was taking Chandler to school. and I don't remember who it was a friend of mine, more a friend of mine than yours, I can't remember who, was like, hey, did you see Caitlin went live last night? You were on the West Coast. So Nashville's two hours behind, LA. And this person went live on your Instagram. And you had taken a Laramie. It was like a very low time. I was in a dark place. I think you and Jason had broken up and it wasn't public. Yeah. This person went live and you were like not present. No. Not only did I have a lorazepam. I forgot I had a lorazepam because I was wanting to go to sleep.

And then he came and decided he was sleeping over. I totally forgot I took lorazepam because it had been like 35 minutes and I wasn't feeling it. So we opened a bottle of wine. But if anybody watched this, like especially as a friend, I was like sick to my stomach. Yeah. Because I'm like if I was not there. I was up on accident or like going through it and take. taking a little eyes of him to settle down and my friend wants to like air that out for the world

to see that like I might not be okay. Yeah. That's not okay. It was like a very not okay life. Well, somebody even screen recorded some of it and people were saying like get off, hit her to bed. Like she's she's clearly not okay. I was falling asleep at the table. I was slurring my words. It was bad. I think I even went and passed out and he continued the live. Yes. And I then believe he went through my phone and I had been having a lot of big feelings because I was feeling so betrayed. So I like hate for you to again bring attention to things that like have negatively impacted you but then people just choose to speculate. And for me, I feel like I want you to say your piece because it's like, okay, that didn't just end because you were like catty. It was like no,

that was like, I remember watching that and being like, that's not okay. Like just imagine your best friend like getting just publicly kind of humiliated and like yeah I don't care how drunk the other person is you know that that's not like you have enough of a following to be like okay one point blank million people are going to see this yeah or people that look up to you like that just doesn't need to be yeah I was really I was humiliated and really upset and that's also I was like oh god that doesn't feel like a good friend there's just a lot of things that added up over time some backstabbing some lies some I'll make it up to you but didn't betrayal and then I the last message I sent was like please let me know if I did something wrong and then I didn't hear anything and so I'm just I'm pretty sad about that one yeah yeah to switch gears a little do you fear aging physically hail to the yes I think that's probably that's really why I went to Hoffman that week of inner child work that was what I focused on the most like why is aging so scary to me not in a like obviously aging is a blessing but physically why do I care so much and I've learned so much about where it stems from and my mom had it put on her as a child so

I can't blame her she literally was doing her best from what she had went through with my my grandpa was like a stage mom like he wanted my mom to be perfect all the time and I definitely grew up thinking that looks were really important Plus I have on top of that, OCD around symmetry, which I've talked about on the podcast before, but like having a symmetrical face is like so important to me. My one hip that I have that's bigger than the other because of my scoliosis, like keeps me up at night. Like aging to me, I'm like, I'll lose my jobs. Like people won't want to watch me on YouTube anymore.

I won't get hosting jobs. Like look at Vanessa Lechay, gorgeous human being. but because she's aging, people are commenting on her looks all the time. Really? Yes. Because see, I look at her and I'm like, because this is what I tell Caitlin, I don't obviously want to age either. And I'm noticing it in my neck and my hands and things like that. But I'm like, okay, that kind of sucks.

But then I look at people like, Vanessa, I didn't know people were talking mean about her because I'm like, gosh, she looks good. I look at people like my mom who hasn't done anything to herself. She looks amazing. She's obviously aging, but like looks so beautiful. And then with aging comes like life experience and wisdom and all these things that. I think it's also that thing of the passage of time that gives me anxiety. It scares me so much so to see, like, I don't like, it's not even, I mean, it's me.

I fear aging with looks, but it's even to see my parents getting older. My dogs, the great, like, it freaks me out because I'm like, I have such a hard time with loss. I think it all stems from not processing my best friend dying. I had a girl on my podcast. Remember the other day I said I was having a woman on who she studies like, was it like birth, charts and birth charts and like if you're a generator a manifester a generating manifester a projector and I she like knew from my birth chart she said your lesson in this life is to learn to let go and be okay with letting go and I'm like god you know how they say like whatever you don't work on

we'll just keep showing up over and over I swear that's happening into my life where it's just like let go Caitlin let go of the perfection and your dogs are going to get older and they aren't meant to live forever and things do you happen like I think that is my life lesson so I think seen physically in age freaks me out and I think everyone could relate to that it's like a physical reminder of okay hey I'm not 22 forever yeah and nor would I want to be because I know I love I think I look I'm my favorite that I've ever looked right now and the best I've ever felt and the strongest I've ever been so I'm like then I interview Chelsea handler and she's saying that's how I feel at 50 So then I'm like, great.

Then why do I, but I mean, we all want to look and feel young. It's just we can. And I feel like we're at that age where like whether we're in our early 30s, mid 30s, late 40, whatever, like where we are going to start. You know, like I felt like college to like my late 20s. I kind of was the same. Yeah. Like immature, but then also like looked young. Right.

And now it's like, I mean, I don't look old, but like I notice I'm starting to be like, oh, whoa. Okay. So like we are aging. Right. it worked. But you've never looked better. Thanks. I actually feel same to you. I feel the best I've ever felt. And yes, I've had two C-sections, not by choice. Like it's my body isn't the same, but I actually like it more because I'm like, okay, I'm at a place in my life where with age comes confidence that's like, I don't know. You just like there's more sure of who you are. First of all,

you, Bree, Shana and Bessie Kat. You were like my best friends in the whole world and Ray. And I feel like, sorry to the others you're all still my best friends those are like my core people and I feel like every single one of you are all just so sturdy and like okay but this is life and this is how it goes and like you look the best you've ever looked and who cares if this is happening and like you're not going to lose like you you have so much to offer besides your looks like you all ground me so much and I'm like where would I be you know they say that you're the sum of the five people you surround yourself with. I'm like, I would be in a dumpster where that one troll told me to go. Like, I don't know where I'd be. I probably would be botched. But another thing about everything

you just said about those girls and Shane is the only one I haven't personally met. I feel like I know her. But like, I have never had a friend in my adult. This is what's so interesting. Like, you weren't even at my wedding. Like, we became friends the year that I got married. But I was like embarrassed to invite you because I was like, I don't want her to feel like I'm like. And I was like a groupie, but now I'm like, I cannot believe you were not there on the day. Married, my husband. But like every best friend of yours that I've met, I clicked with so quickly. And I've never met someone in my adult.

Well, you're like my newest best friend edition in life. Yeah. That is like a soul sister and part of my family literally. Yes. And they would agree. Yeah. Like at my dad's deathbed. Like you just don't.

I'll never forget that moment. it's like you don't meet friends like that later in life often and all of your friends I feel like I jive with the pressure's on Shana I'm a little scared but like it's very unique to find your friends are now my friends even like you know Penny Penny Penny will be like I don't like this person and like walk away Penny was like love cats like you really are exactly like like that's why I knew when I met you I was like a real one like I knew I knew you'd get along because you fit right in with the kind of friends I have, which I think I'm so lucky for the kind of friends I have.

Same with your friends. Yeah, I do the same way. It's just you surround yourself with the kind of energy that you put out. Yeah, not, and I bet none of our friends go on other people's Instagram and be like, you're petty, you're looking for attention, you look ugly. No, I don't want to be friends with you if you're like that. Yeah, go on. Go on, get it.

Yeah, this, not your podcast. Kick rocks. Yeah, and the other things. And other things. Totally agree. Yeah. So the people, yeah, those who get it, get it. And I feel like there's probably a lot of people listening because I remember like before I met

Caitlin, I was like, she would be my friend. I fucking bought Vanity Planet makeup makeup. I didn't own foundation. I didn't own a cream product of any kind. And I bought Vanity Planet like a 50 piece brush set. Anyways, I like, it's just to say, you're relatable. Look at us. Now you're hosting off the vine. All the power chair. I love it here. Okay, that's kind of it for the like heavy I know we dug kind of deep. I feel very vulnerable right now and I know I'm going to get backlash for all of this and I know there's people that are going to be like, oh, gee just opened a can of worms for me to get downloads on my podcast, but I'm done.

Let them. That felt good and you could do whatever you need to do. Yeah. And then that might be, this might be slamming the door and moving on to the bigger and better things that are ahead. Yeah. And just last thing, I had great credit score. That's important.

I had a great credit score, okay? You moved into my house. You put a nail in that coffin. Okay, and here we go. Okay, I'm going to do one question that isn't, like, these next ones can be, like, quick answers. Yeah. But I am going to say, can you drop your skincare routine? Really?

That is important, yeah. Okay. That was highly requested. It's so funny because I feel like I beat a dead horse with my skincare because I'll, like, go on live or I'll do a thing, but then not everybody sees it. And then they're like, wait, what, okay, my skin care is little water, a lot of wine. That is kind of my truth. But, okay, first of all, I do think I have good genetics because my mom and my dad both have good skin. Okay, but.

But my skincare routine is Koji pads from indie skin care where you work. The holy grail. I literally put them on and I'm like, I have baby skin. They're worth every penny. If you have hyperpigmentation, even like post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation, like zits. scars. Like, it is a brightener, lightner, and it makes you look like Caitlin Bristow, glass, glass, glowy forehead. I don't know about right now. Well, yes. Oh. So, okay, Indie Glopads. Well, first I cleanse. Yep. Then Indy glow pads. And then I use skin suiticles, vitamin C. I also

like Indy's vitamin C. Yeah, I do too. And then I use TNS advanced serum double pump. Yep. From Skin Medica. And then I use either Indies moisturizer. I usually use that at night time. What is the one I use from Skin Medica? It's like, like sheer moisturizer. And then I love Alastin. Hydrotent.

The most gorgeous coverage ever. I also like color science. I do too. But those two sunscreens I love because they have a little tint

and they're moisturizing and it just like goes on perfectly over all the skin care. Well like when I went to, I looked like a bridge troll 45 minutes ago. Well, maybe 45 minutes before we got here.

And I was like, I have to be ready in like 30 minutes. And hydrotent is like my foundation. Like, it is sunscreen, but it is my coverage. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing.

Your skin's amazing, too. Well, thank you. And then PM, I do a double cleanse. Okay. My cellar water. Okay. Not in that order. I do my cellar order, then double cleanse, which you've taught me to redo, which I'm going to try

tonight. I'm not wearing makeup. Can I clear that up? It's not like you're doing something wrong, but I've watched this chick with a full face beat with cotton rounds going through 50 of them trying to wipe off her makeup. I said, why don't you try doing a cleanse? And then following it up with another cleanse. then see how much comes off. Not much. It's going to save you a lot of it. It'll save the planet.

Well, we go to Miami this weekend so you can coach me through it because we are sharing a room, roomies for the weekend in Miami. Miami. We're going to get crazy. But that's too crazy because I like to be in bed by nine. That's okay. Okay, PM, I do double cleanse, take out my makeup. I do, what is the new thing, P-T-T-O-X? P-T-I-O-X. I love it. I'm obsessed with it. Skin-suitical. It's going to claim it replaces both. talks. I don't think it does, but it is like a very good viscous texture. Oh, it's the, and it just I love it. Glassy skin. I love it. And then I put on, I've been back to my point zero five retinol. Great. And then I do Indy, what is this? Um, really nice moisturizer. The rich glow, the pump.

Yes. It's like super hydrating. Super hydrating. And then I do the dewy spritz. It's hypochloric acid. But I do, I doey spritz like every hour. Okay, so hypochloric acid, this is not a skincare talk, but like is the dewey spurts is amazing because it's hydrating, has copper peptides, everything. But hypochloris like kills bacteria. It's just like to take on a plane. Yeah. I could spray that on my face at all times. I will have it on the plane tomorrow.

I also, Botox I find really makes my skin. I know. I am 35. I've been getting Botox since I was 24 and I was like three and a half months out for my last disport treatment. And I just was looking in the mirror and I was like, it's not lines. It's just like crunchy thick skin. Yeah.

And I do really good skin care and do the treatments in the office because I work there at Indy. And I was like, I don't care what people say. I do get it like 80, 20. Like that is going to be in my 20% of guilty pleasures that I'm not willing to give up right now. Yeah. Okay. So these are going to be a little bit more quick, rapid fire random. Okay.

Would you rather, and this is one I don't know the answer to it for me, would you rather run into a bear or a man in the middle of nowhere and you're all alone? Bear. Really? 100%. No, I'm talking like a grisly, a hungry grizzly bear. Grizzly bear. Other than, like, is he a murderer? Is the man a murder? No.

Oh, okay, it depends. Okay, if it was a black bear, I pick bear. If it's a grisly, hungry bear, I pick man. Because I've been around bears in Canada. There's bears like all over the golf course that my parents lived on. And if there's a black bear, you just act bigger and it's scared of you. A man, I'd be like, blah. And they'd be like, I'm going to rape you.

I don't know. That's what my brain works. But if it's a grizzly bear, I feel like I carry pepper spray, so I'd rather run into a man. And if he tries anything shady, I kick him in the nuts, pepper spray, 9-1-1. Yeah, cool. Kind of random, but do you have food texture issues? No. You have mesophonia, but it doesn't matter what's in your mouth.

No, I don't, nothing texture-wise grosses me out in food. Right, great. The only thing would be a banana, but it doesn't stop me from eating them. One skincare product you can't live without. Probably the Kogi pads. Yeah. I was going to say it on three, but I don't know. Oh, one, two, three.

Indie Kodi Kats. Okay, one, two, three. Indie Glow pads. Okay. What is the most absurd random rumor you've heard about yourself? And keep this one shallow, not like lighthearted, not like deep. That I go right on Reddit back to people. And I don't even know how to go on Reddit.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's weird. People think they're like, oh, it's either her or a sister. And I'm like, I actually have never, I don't know how to log on to a Reddit it and write back or even find threads about myself. Yeah. People will send me screenshots. Anything.

Yeah. Okay. What is the biggest fight that you and I have ever gotten into? Just that. It wasn't even a fight. Are you thinking what I'm thinking when I had like the longest story to tell you about my ex and I said I would tell you to all the juicy details at dinner and I bailed on dinner and you said this is the only time I've been mad at you.

I forgot why I was mad. that's it. Oh, but I didn't remember, and yes, you were right. You were like, I'll save it for dinner. I'm going to save it for dinner. I have a story for dinner. But I was actually so excited about dinner because I like you and I like hanging out. But it was like the one time I felt like getting out past my bedtime.

And you failed. Okay. And it wasn't a fight. I just was like annoyed. No, I just forgot what you were going to tell me at dinner. You said, I'm mad. You did I have my feelings. Yeah, I'm really mad.

Or when I spit wine in your face. I laughed so hard. That happened in Miami. You were just mad I didn't say sorry after. Sorry. Are you going to apologize? You literally just shot wine all over my face in a nice restaurant in Brickle in Miami.

And then you got me back with red wine. And we'll probably do it again this trip. We talked about doing an edible podcast one time where we both eat an edible, let it kick in, and then talk. Like I feel like I'd lose my career and my family would support me. No, you're funny. It's just, oh, God, if you guys could hang out with us in those times

when we have edibles in legal states where edibles are legal, But we have so many funny conversations. I can't even handle it. It's like, I just, wait, remember the other night when we were both definitely in legal countries doing legal edibles and you called and you were like, did you see this person's story? And I was like, what is it? And you told me.

And I was like laughing sort and then we were both laughing sorry that we had to go. The best is the Marco Polo where I hit start and I was like, couldn't stop laughing. And I was like, okay. Anyways, come have an edible with us in legal states where that is legal, and we will have a good time. Okay, do you wipe front to back or back to front? After pee-pee? Either. Oh, I think this is wrong.

I wipe back to front when I pee, but front to back when I poop. So when you, are you wiping, always reaching forward or coming around the back? Like, I stand up to wipe when I go around the back. And then when I am pee, and then when I am peeing, I just go, a little swipe up. Not just a little dab, dab. You dab? Well, I don't know.

I'm just like not pulling anything forward ever. What do you do? Bunch it and hold it in there and just... No, I'm just saying, like, I'd probably do it. Playing with it. No, I think it'd be more front to back. How do you wipe when you pee? I don't know.

I don't know next. Okay. But like, I think always front to back. I don't ever come forward. Okay, I'll work on that. It's just like introducing bacteria in places you don't need it. Hot or cold. coffee for life what you choose in hot I love hot coffee I want it on hot days I want it right now

I just love a hot cozy hot hot hot coffee unless I'm hung over then I want I want ice coffee in the most Arctic of temperatures I want even if I'm frostbitten to be holding my I wonder what that is because it is a very controversial subject like people either are hot or cold yeah yeah I love cold only it's weird that's all I've got honestly that was really Well, that was nice. Is there anything else you'd like to clear up? Clear up? I feel like I answered everything.

I think you did. I'm very scared about the backlash that'll come with this. The Redditters. Why are Redditors? Why are you guys so mean? Get off Reddit. I don't ever get on there. Nothing good happens.

People just send me Reddit things. Yeah, but like those people should stop doing that. I know. If I ever see a tabloid or something like the last thing I think is I'm going to text that to Caitlin because like it's just always out there. Yeah, that's true. To end on high note, should we end this? podcast with a game. Yeah. And it's going to be the game where we say one, two, three.

And we try to say the same word. Yeah. We're usually really bad at this. But I feel like this, we've got this one. Hold on. I need to think where we're going with this. Okay. Okay. One, two, three. Travel. I almost said podcast. Okay. Travel podcast. Okay. One, two, three. Miami. We finally did it. That's never happened. Pino's like, I got to get on the table. Dance on the table like I always do.

Hey, dance on the table like we're going to in Miami. Hey. Well, now we're going to have to do another podcast when we come back from Miami with Kristen because that would be such a fun time. Yeah. We're going with Kristen, Cavalry, Caitlin, and me. And it is going to be a great time, good, clean fun. Yeah, good, clean fun.

Lots of giggles, lots of good food. And lots of rest. We're even going to work out while we're there. I'm covered in dog hair. So it's, yeah, you are. Yeah. I am not. I love you.

Is that what that says? Yeah. Oh, backwards. It's so if you take a picture, selfie, it says, I love you. That's cute. Yeah. Okay, well, thanks for coming to my podcast. Love you.

And thanks for letting me ask you all those hard questions. Thank you for being the only person I'd really feel comfortable doing that with.