Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Kaitlyn’s Bachelorette Reunion | JJ Lane: From “Villains Gotta Vil” to Amy Schumer’s Punchline!

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

#854. It’s been 10 years since JJ Lane showed up on The Bachelorette — fresh off a divorce, living with his parents, and unknowingly stepping into a “villain edit.” But now he’s back, with three daughters, a redemption arc, and plenty to say.Kaitlyn and JJ talk about how he ended up on the show in the first place, why he’s never watched the season back, and how Amy Schumer roasted him so hard she kept bringing it up for years. He opens up about hitting rock bottom before filming, his surprising exit on Paradise, and how his dad saved every press clipping — even the brutal ones.We knew him as “villains gotta vil,” but after this convo, you might just see a totally different side of JJ. Enjoy!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Dime Beauty: Revive your skin and give yourself a clean routine refresh you deserve!  Go to DIMEBeautyCO.com today. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Lady World: Come Join me for a fun weekend! Get your tickets now at LadyWorld.COEPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (2:13) JJ’s “villain edit” — he had no idea what was coming!(13:10) How Amy Schumer roasted JJ for years after the comedy date!(27:39) Nick Viall’s surprise arrival and the group’s legendary “manchats”.(33:50) JJ’s epic redemption story on Bachelor in Paradise!(39:40) Kaitlyn and JJ remember Clint Arlis.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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j jay lane on the podcast who was by guess my season's villain which watching back doesn't really seem like that bad of a villain but he gets to finally 10 years later share his side of the story. Please enjoy my episode with JJ. We really dive into a lot. And it was, it was really nice to hear his side of the story. Does it feel like yesterday and a lifetime ago for you or just a lifetime ago for you? Yeah. It's probably, I mean, it is a lifetime ago, I think, because, I mean, I'm 42 and it's 10 years ago. I mean, you think about it's like, yeah. 32 JJ is probably a lot different than 42 JJ. Oh, man. I mean, aren't we all? I'd hope so. 30s. For me personally. Yeah, I think I was one of the older ones on the season, too, but like a lot has happened in 10 years, right?

And you look, I mean, this is the first bachelor related thing I'm doing. I was on the fence about it, but I was like, no, I told my wife, it's like, well, why are you doing it? It's like, you have nothing to gain from this. It's like, I'm doing it because it's like, this is fun. And it's like, I probably have one last opportunity, right? You have a point, 0.1% of people even get to do the show. Right. I always think about how many videos, like audition videos they get to go.

on the show like and how I always wonder how they pick because I think that when I when I got picked to go on The Bachelor I think they thought I was going to be the crazy like maybe drunk night one get sent home crazy like maybe villain type person because I was so wild in my interviews and then I think they're like oh I think she's like more tame than we thought but they like somehow brought out my wild side but then kept me to I don't think they knew what they were doing with me you did get villainized and watching a bad now I kind of laughed because I'm like you're not even a villain really like you really weren't a villain compared to most villains I mean you got to make a little brand out of it I mean if a brand is is like a non-profit that you know you make no money from sure I had a great brand but you made you made a little something out of it we were saying before we started this podcast like you go home and for to try and get a job people are Googling your name and an interview could be going so well and then they Google you and what kind of comes up.

Yeah. Well, funny. I mean, honestly, I lived the show as you did, right? So like, I got done with the show. I went home and my friends were like, how did it go? I was like, pretty awesome. I was like, this was great. Like, I had a great time.

Like, I mean, I went back so naive to what was coming. Right. And then I watched, you know, the first episode, it was really funny because like the very, like, remember when Ryan McDill was like calling people rapists or something like. this and like and i just confronted him i was like dude you got to stop this stuff right it was the exact same person there the whole way through right i kind of was like in my real life i wasn't going to put up with nonsense and like this kind of bad behavior and like that first night they kind of were like we're going to give them we'll show them in a positive light you know when when

the villain thing came out like i mean one i was shocked two i remember i was laughing my ass off when they showed me like Clint said something about like I'm like a shark who smells blood and like they show Tony just losing his mind and melting down and I'm just like trolling him but like the all that was going through my head was like I was so bored yeah yeah so like I was just like man like I am trying to entertain myself I'm like sitting around this house with no phone no TV nothing for three days we've got some weirdos in this house and we're stuck with them yeah so I'm like I'm going to chirp him. I'm going to tease them.

I'm going to just do stuff because it's entertaining myself. Never do I think. Oh, he's a villain. Well, and that's what I mean when I think back onto how I was on Chris Soul season because my way of making friends, my way of flirting, my way of everything is to poke fun, make like chirp jokes, do all this. And it can just go one of two ways. And everyone in the house, like I would just go up and tell them like Ashley I.

I remember telling her, I'm like, I just. came out of an interview and I said I wouldn't be mad if you got your period in a shark tank and she would be like yeah you did not and I'd be like yeah and we'd like laugh about it but they could have shown that and me been like the complete asshole yeah and then like but but we all just got along so well do you feel like because they were I was like okay 13 out of 15 guys are saying they don't like these two did you get along with everybody in the house or was it really that much tension there were there was literally like no tension except they all decided to have this intervention.

Oh, without you? I was in bed and they called me down like, hey, we got to talk, man. Like to this day, I still quite understand the dynamics of like what led. I will say it probably had to do with some insecurities. It's a competition. Yeah. And there's just those weird dynamics that go into play. But every one of the guys that called me down for the intervention, at some stage,

we all were friends. Yeah. I mean, when I left in Ireland, like every single one of us was all on great terms. Like there was no drama. Yeah. You know, so I don't, I didn't chalk too much up there. I mean, I think, you know, I did tell them, I was like, guys, it's not church camp. You know, I'm not here to be your friend.

Right. Oddly enough, we became friends. Yeah. I mean, you go through the weird experience together, but I found it so interesting because then every, so many people I talked to. I mean, remember was it Jaden Tanner's wedding that we were all at? And I was like, we all get along. And everybody was having the best time. I mean, I actually wasn't having a good time because it was still like the Sean Nick drama, like continuing into this wedding where I was like, first of all, I was doing sober January or something.

So I wasn't drinking. At the wedding, you didn't drink? Uh-uh. Oh, that's wild. I know. And I feel like I was just like sitting in a corner because I think Sean and I were like in a fight or something. And then Nick was there. And then this was, I don't know, it was like still too fresh for us, I think.

I had a good time. I shouldn't say I didn't have a good time. I had a blast, but I just remember one part of the night being like, this is so funny because really at the end of the day, everybody's getting along. You know, it's crazy is watching back. I'm like, it's been 10 years. It's going to be so fun. I went to, I had a doctor's appointment right before this.

And like driving there is like shaking. And I felt like it's like trapped trauma in my body and rewatching. I'm like, it is emotional. You know, I would love to do it again at 42. Like I'd love to right now. It would be so different. And you say like hindsight 2020, but there's something too to be said with like just where you're at in life and what you're wanting in life and just the polls and the emotions.

And I think when they're selecting people, right? Like I mean, they got me right off of a divorce, right? I had, you know, gotten laid off from my job because of the divorce drama. My company was like, you're, you're too big of a distraction. So like, I mean, I went on that show like lowest of lows, right? Yeah. And they know that. Yeah.

They know all these things. And so, you know, they're not getting people, like I said, the comedy club, you know, I was like, look, you guys think we're the 30 most eligible bachelors. We're 30 guys that have nowhere to be at Tuesday at 2 p.m. Like, trust me, your eligible bachelors are in the office at their law firms. Like, ladies, stop idolizing us. Like, we're not the ones. That's funny.

Except I literally still to the day and I say it to every guy, I'm like, I still think I had the best group of guys. I watch every season. I skipped a couple, but like, I'm like, my guys were so fun. Like, and I do think I'm, I wonder if because I had a type, I'm like, did they really know that they were like, yeah, let's sprinkle a few in for Brit and then really make like these funny, because I just feel like everyone was kind of funny. Like everyone had a good sense of humor. Everyone kind of was like my type. So I wonder if they were like, you know, how they did cast, obviously for a dramatic effect and for my type. I think that your season or us is probably the last genuine group.

Yeah. Because they told us, one, there was no such thing as Instagram ads and everything. Right. So when we started, there was, that had never been done. Yeah. Your girls were the first ones that got into the wave of like leveraging Instagram for money. Yeah. So we all went on with completely unrelated expert.

We weren't thinking, oh, we're going to be famous. Right. You weren't like, I'm here for the Instagram followers. We're going to get clout out of this. So did you, okay, I know they got you at like your rock bottom and coming out of all these things. And no answer will offend me here. But what were you coming into The Bachelorette for?

Were you like, this is for the experience? Or were you like, I actually do want to find love? It was a mixture of both. Like, what was your intention coming in? It started with, so I didn't even apply. So there was a girl I knew in Denver. who worked for some sort of a casting related company. I don't even know.

And she's like, hey, I just got hired, like they're trying to find local talent. Are you interested in doing this show? My ex-wife always watched it. And I would usually go to the gym. And when I'd come home, like, I'd catch like the tail end, right? Yeah. So I was familiar with it.

And my perception was they get to travel all over the world. It's this cool experience. And so I was like, oh, sure. Time me up. Yeah, I was like, that sounds fun. Yeah. That was like, you know, the beginning. Yeah.

And then I kind of got a little deeper into it. You know, selfish is like, oh, man, this is my ex-wife's favorite thing. Like, oh, my gosh. If I got on this, it's going to. I did the same thing with my ex. I was like, we used to watch this together. Yeah. And so it kind of morphed into that a little bit.

And then by the time I was selected, it was, oh, my gosh, like, how did this happen? Right. It was just like this kind of more euphoria of like, I just won the lottery. I'm going to get to travel. yeah um that was a hundred percent the motivation like there was never a thought process and no offense to you but like no i like honest i wasn't not thinking i'm going to go get married yeah yeah frankly like i didn't want to get married right i had gone through i went in for pretty pretty basic intentions yeah i you know what i really think that 98 percent of people do because and i hate when people

aren't honest about it because i was like people were like did you go on find love and i'm like no i was there for the experience. Like if I found love, what a bonus. But like I was there for the same really, you get to travel. What an experience. You don't know the magnitude of what it could do to you after or whatever. But I was just like, oh, what a fun thing to do. And I think that's a total reasonable reaction. Now, when you came off the show, how did everyone in your life feel about watching it back? So it's funny because obviously you have like your group, but then you start finding out like the tangential groups. Like I was finding out about people in like the professional world that I didn't even really know. But, you know, they were a couple of degrees removed from me. And, you know,

the word was spreading. Everybody in Denver finance, for instance, was watching this. Yeah. And it was like the height of like that show too. Like, oh, peak. Yeah. Peak time. Yeah. I have no idea. Min is like Trista Sutter when like nobody even could stream. And it was just like, she had like 30 million views. We had like. Is that real? Yeah. We had like. can ask what were the rating like i i've never heard those things but like we had to have been the highest it was the highest and then um jojo's was quite high after it was like andy's was good mine jojos and then it started to slow down a bit yeah yeah i mean peak so you know you're hearing about it through the great vine you know all of your friends are thinking it's hilarious and you're getting you know

they're like oh dude i you're not a villain you know so you're getting all the span and all this kind of stuff i have not watched. So that's what she said. You haven't watched it back. I've never seen the show. And like, that's crazy. Isn't that nuts? So I watched.

Did you watch an episode back before coming on here? No. So I watched the first. Wow. Three. So the first episode we did a viewing party, me and Ben. Yeah. So I saw it to some extent, right?

But like you're just in this crazy thing where everybody keeps coming up to you. And like, I'm trying to like watch it. I'm like, holy crap. I'm on TV. still battling the, you know, my voice sounds weird and you can't, you know, you hate hearing what your voice sounds like. Yeah. I watched whatever the episode was the comedy date because it was Amy Schumer was so all over you. Oh, we got, oh, so hilarious. Sorry. So hold on. Yeah, that's so much. So yeah, we go. That was the episode because it was the shark thing. So I remember I watched,

I think it was episode three and I was laughing my ass off at Tony interaction. But then episode, like after that, you know, we had one more viewing party. Something came up. My parents, we were recording all of the episodes. Yeah. I was like, oh, I'll get to them eventually in life, right? And my parents just inexplicitly, like they just deleted their, they changed cable providers. Like, oh, yeah, we got a new cable thing.

I was like, wait, so all the shows, the episodes are gone. Would you like my Amazon Prime password? We have Amazon Prime, but, yes, we've never seen. I've seen three episodes of myself on TV. Oh my gosh. That's probably a good thing. Yeah. And I never read my press clippings.

So I never Googled myself. I have, I mean, much, much later. Yeah, yeah. But in the moment, I never, never read my press clippings. I refuse to read anything about myself because I remember before it aired some Reddit thread. There was something that got circulated with the guys. chat and in it was like these people were just nitpicking like our bio pictures. Oh yeah. And I just remember I was like I have a choice here. I was like I'm reading this and

I'm not insecure yet. Yeah. And I'm laughing. But it was like this could like I had the self realization to just know I need to just cut it off ASAP because I was like this is going to make me super insecure. Yeah. I'm going to feel bad about myself and I don't need to. And so my dad years later he goes hey here you go and he had a whole folder so my dad of all things kept all my press clippings knew everything about what I was up to all these articles being written about me all the stuff like I had one it was like front page of national inquire in the grocery store that says Lane's a loser says ex-wife and like they had copies of my divorce papers oh yeah they'll get they will get they had copies of my parents divorce papers my parents

And it was funny is, so I mean, I said this like six years later, I look, they weren't even the final copy. I'm like, how did you get a draft version of the filing? I'm like, it was just craziness, right? So, I mean. That's good that you didn't look into it because I was like the most secure I'd ever been in my life at 30 going into that show. Not only did the show just destroy that, but then hearing people talk about me after the

way that they did, I was like, I thought it was pretty great. Then I'm like reading like somebody told me I needed a nose job and I was like, do I? Oh God. And then like I fixed my teeth because of TV. Like so many things that like just from like a Reddit thread. I don't read Reddit either, but people have sent me stuff. But my dad couldn't even go to the grocery store because he's like my pure sweet daughter is on the cover of every magazine being like she's pregnant. She slept with this many guys like pregnancy shocker. She, like always this nasty, nasty, nasty headlines, which still happened to this day because of a podcast. Like, I still, there's a, the recent headline that is in Us Weekly right now about me is Caitlin says she hates when people ask or people that say, wait till you have kids, because she birthed her dogs. I made a joke. I was like, yeah, I birthed the peanut out of my butthole. And they like ran with that stupid of a headline to say that I think I birthed my dogs.

And people are like, she's crazy. And I'm like, do you guys really think I think I birthed my dogs? I mean, it's crazy to still, you'd think after 10 years you'd have thick skin about it. But really, my skin has just got thinner over the years where I'm like, people still hate me. I think it's natural, right? I mean, probably the only good thing that I did through all of this, right, was just not. Yeah, feed into it. Yeah.

Like, frankly, I should have disabled comments on Instagram, too. right because other ruthus you know we get into that cycle too especially when you're in the phase we're like now I can post something and like if I get a comment it's from like you know my wife you know commenting you know on my own photo right but like back in the day right you would just open up Instagram and it was just you just you would refresh and it was just constantly feeding you content and people's either validation of you or their criticisms of you and Yeah. No, that's, I mean, it's so hard to handle for anybody, right? But like, then you get all of us, right, who are at different stages of where we're at in our lives and the challenges, right? And so then you start feeding in. It's like, I just need that next good comment. And I need to make this post here. And I hope people like this. And then you get to this. Oh, my gosh, why isn't this performing? Oh, it only got 100 likes in the first five minutes. Aren't you so glad to be out of that? Exactly. Like, I mean, I'm in that. And I have to check my.

daily about why I'm posting, what I'm looking for, if I'm doing it for validation, if I'm just trying to like actually just be me. Like I have to think through every post of why I'm doing it and who for. So I have a book recommendation for you. And this is like it's called the courage to be disliked. It's been for me like, you know, so when you ask me to come on this podcast, I try to run it through my courage to be disliked filter. I'm like, why am I doing this?

Yeah. And like it's probably, you know, we'll all get to. to some stage maybe where we're in this maturity stage where it's like I can just I don't have to run it through the filter I just know every action I'm just doing it because it is like the genuine action but I was like am I doing this because I need something from it right do I want something from it like why am I doing this decision right and like it really boils down to like as simple as this like I don't care anymore yeah and and to just have that like I don't give a if I post a picture and it gets one like yeah that I do it because I needed a hundred

100, right? Or 10,000, right? Or did I do it? Because I really wanted to do this because I was proud of my daughter. And I just wanted to share this, right? And for me, my why on this podcast was like, it would be fun. Yeah. And that's the only reason I did. I was like, this will just be a really good time. Yeah. And, you know, we're lucky to be in the situation where somebody chooses to listen to what we have to say. It's really cool. And I really think it's so fun for people to, again, I'm repeating myself, but hear your side of it or hear your experience from it because nobody really got to you. And you aren't as active on social media as some people were after the show or still are with like involving the audience into your life. So people are

like, yeah, what the fuck is JJ doing right now? Like, where is he at in life? But we can't not forget to circle back to Amy Schumer. What? Oh, yeah. Tell me. Oh. So the night before, remember they give clues. Yes. And I think it was like, you need a man to stand up for you. Yes. I was like, oh my gosh, stand up comedy. You knew. So everyone went to bed and I stayed downstairs and I wrote a standup comedy step. Right. So like I was fully prepared in hopes that that was what was. So like I went into the thing and like I had dialed this thing in. And I felt very confident in the jokes. So then when she comes around, it was all intentional. Like and I, you know, I, even in the moment I knew this was all being set up, basically like, hey, you guys are going on

in 10 minutes. So like she's magically shows up, not even with enough time to coach me or give me any tips, right? But just to come and just chert me. Yeah, yeah. And so then she's like, well, what are some of your jokes? And I didn't know who she was. Yeah. I'd never heard of her in my whole life. Yeah. She was like just starting to be like yeah. And frankly, I didn't think she was funny. I didn't like I wasn't. No, like I was not amused by her. So like, I'm just like, okay, like you come over here to shit on me. Yeah, yeah. She really did.

For like 10 minutes, you just sit down and you just start shitting on me. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm going to shit on you back. Yeah. And so like I'm just thinking, hey, we're both sparring and just chirping each other. Yeah. Right. And then I was just, she's like, well, what's your pickup line?

And, you know, I wasn't afraid to admit. I was like, oh, you know, I'm divorced, dad, unemployed, lived my parents. you know and she's like that's really it i was like yeah this sound not a good pickup line because like of course i don't really think it's you know but i'm gonna like banter with her yeah but then like when we got up on stage like oh gosh that was the most fun i had on the show oh i had a blast right and it worked out well because tony went before me oh you then you're golden i was like dude oh my gosh this guy just terrified everybody yeah and i get to start with a joke just mocking him. I was like, this is like warmed right up. So then it was so funny because she's,

she had a movie with LeBron James a year later, like a few months later. Well, she's on press to her and people are sending me stuff. She's still shitting on me in her press junket like for the movie. Wow, you really, you really did something to her. I know. So then like I would tweet at her. So like, then I started tweeting her. I was like, hey, Amy Schumer one on one. We're going to do a stand-up battle all proceeds to charity let's do it and I would just keep doing this yeah never got a response really you know and I was laughing just like I have zero to lose like I'm not a stand-up comedian do you want to know the funniest part of this to me was I loved her and then after we did that whole thing we actually became like really good friends and we'd FaceTime and then she'd be like oh when you're in

New York like come stay at my apartment and then she just like totally ghosted me and she was following Brit on social media and not me. And I was like, what? Because she kept, like, she was chirping Brit on the side. It didn't air. And then we were like tight. And then I looked at who she followed. And I was like, you've got to be shitting me.

And so now we're not friends anymore. But I just thought it was so funny. And she was filming something in Hawaii when I was there, like years later. And I sent her a text. I was like, you're at the same hotel as me. And she goes, who is this? I was like, oh, fuck, okay. I was like, it's Caitlin Bristol, but never mind.

That's pain. You know, you got big time. What in the world? I got big time. Which is said, by Amy Schumer. Look, you didn't get big time. I mean, she attempted it. Like, I'd much rather just be you right now, the Navy Schumer.

I thought it was so funny, though. But you know, I remember, I can't remember if they aired this, but she was like, I just can't with JJ. She's like, I just want to like fist his. Did they show that? Or you don't remember. That's what she said. And I remember just.

dying laughing because I was like can she say that she hated it because I didn't like we walked in right when we walked in and like like and it's Amy Schumer and all the guys were like whoa awesome yeah and I was like like I literally looked to the guys like like are you guys for real like who is this person right and I had had my hope set on like in my head I was like oh my gosh Dave Chappelle or is like I was really amped up for something else so I walked in and then I just got totally let down because I wanted that's like the guys with the rap battle and I keep telling all the guys that were on, will you go on the rap battle? Yeah. Remember when it was like the legendary, like, biggest rapper and everyone's like, holy shit, who's it going to be? And then we're like, Dougie Fresh. Again, so yeah, I go, I don't know. Oh, yeah, you didn't know rap music. I don't, I've never listened to rap music in my entire life.

I didn't know who they were. And I was like, oh, gosh, here we go. That was also, I just rewatched that one. The anxiety when like Nick shows up and I'm like, oh, this is the episode. that changes, like, literally everything. So we have to talk about that, Nick showing up. Yeah. That happened at the beat box, rap battle, whatever the hell.

Did he show at the rap battle? Oh, he showed up to say, yeah, so we're all having to freaking do rap, and he just shows up and gets to just pull you aside and spend one-on-one time with you. And I was like laughing. I was like, man, you know, I literally at this stage, I think I'd spent five minutes alone with you. So, you know, this guy just gets to avoid embarrassing himself and just gets to chat with you. It's actually so frustrating for so many people because I'm like, like, realistically, how much time do you think we spent together, the two of us? Yeah, I did the math at one stage and it was probably under two hours because I remember I went home and I went on a date.

And I told the girl, I was like, she was like having some insecurity. I was like, you understand our first date, you and I right now at a dinner place and drinks have spent more time cumulatively than I did in six weeks with Caitlin. Yeah. I'm still to this day, like looking back, I would do it again. I would bring him on again because we did have some like pretty deep conversations before I even was the bachelorette and I was always like so intrigued by him and I was always like oh he's so different he's so unique like there's something about him and we like had this obvious chemistry that why would I not explore that if you know people like Jonathan who voted for Brit still wanted

to explore me like that's just to me I was like okay it sucks for sure and I felt like I was disrespecting people, especially Sean, because I had made it so obvious that he was like my number one. And then for him to be like, was I not enough? She needs to bring someone else on. But I was like, it is only fair. And I have to look out for me to explore something that could potentially be what I want forever. But it was the most confusing and hardest thing. And looking back, I'm like, God, that sucked. But I would have done it again. Because I knew so sure at the end that I was like, Nick's not my person. But I would have thought about him. if he didn't come on.

And how old were you at the time, the show? 30. Yeah. So you're 30 years old. Yeah. Maybe I was even a lifetime experience. Yeah. It's a dating show, right?

To try and find the person, right? And they're incentivizing you in every possible way to find that person. Right. It's like 100%. You're in the right. I told the guys like we, they would always force us into these like. Man chats. Yeah, the man chats where we have to.

to break down the Nick thing. Yeah. And I just be very, I was like, guys, like, if, like, why are we getting upset? Yeah. Like, yeah. If, if this is, if this is what she wants. Right. And this is the purpose of the show.

Yeah. We have to capitulate and be fine with it. I mean, I, I can't imagine because I put myself in your guys' shoes. And I was like, if, if somebody did that when I was on the season, that would suck. Like bringing on one more person that you clearly have a connection with. It's like, are we really doing this? But at the same time, that's kind of what the show is for. And that was the purpose.

But I thought it was funny how you guys all went off his edit on the last season. They're like, oh, like, Tanner. I'd never watched it. Right. It was more Tanner. Tanner was like, he's this guy. He exposed to him having sex with Andy. And like, he's a loser.

So everybody's just going off of like, oh, he's a loser. He's a loser. We literally Tanner was our narrator. Yeah. Tanner would sit there and they go, okay, Tanner, tell us what we need to know about Nick. so then he turned guys you know about nick man on this last and like Tanner would just regurgitate like give us this you know cliff notes version of nick or whatever we needed to know yeah and then and then I feel like that like validated all your guys's anger like oh yeah pitchforks yeah which was so funny

because now is anyone still friends with him to this day I don't even know the answer to that uh you know the only one I can think it'd be so I only I only follow Jared and Tanner oh yeah and so I see stuff on Jared's but that's the only extent. I mean it's been 10 years you can't keep friendships with everybody but I just I think it's so funny because you roomed with Tanner didn't you at some point? Yeah, I was Tanner and a cupcake or the two I roomed with. Oh my God, Cupcake. Josh Albers real fast. You got to tell me the haircut was just unbelievable. Oh my God. I love talking about this. Okay. I need to know like I mean it was intentional like I'm going to butcher you, right? It was not intentional. I swear I think about this all the time. I felt so.

bad so he was like you're a barber right and in my head i'm going well i'm not a barber but i took cosmetology i took hair cutting school i know how to cut color like perm do whatever to hair i did it for three years so i was so confident to give him a good haircut they gave me shitty clippers that were gonna die so when i went to go like do him it was like and it just like i was like oh my god i did not mean to do that at all because I actually wanted to show off. I wanted to give him a good haircut and have the guys be like, she can do it all. And so when I butchered his haircut, I was like, oh, I feel really bad. And then not only that, I had to send him home, like that, that rose ceremony with him having a bad haircut. But I, I truly really wanted to give him a good one.

Oh, props to you. We thought we're like, man, she just did him straight, dirty. Did you imagine? You thought I really did that. At that stage, we don't know what we don't know. Like, we're just taking and we're like, this is wild. That's true. You have a teenager, a teenage daughter. Yeah. Is she spicy?

No. She's, she's like flawless. Aw. Yeah. She's, I mean, unsolicited. She's stressing because she didn't get, like, she goes to a very, very nice private school, top of the line education. And she's, she didn't get an A plus in one course in the first semester. And she was crying to me because it was going to ruin her A plus

streak for all the way through graduation. She's like, and then I'm not going to be, she's like, I'm not going to be able to get into the college I want. I'm like, where is this coming from? Oh my gosh. I go, I'm not pushing this. Like, yeah. Her mom isn't pushing this. She just has this in motivation and wow so she wants to uh she wants to go to duke um and like all i mean i'm just like please wow be awesome like i don't know where she can't got it from so um i was never that's amazing i i'm trying to think i was probably just like picking my nose and skipping school at 13 and like not caring about my future at all no it's it's crazy that she has this like perspective and and it's not pushed i mean i always i tell her all the time

Like, and I think your mom does as well, like, we want her to be a kid. Yeah, yeah. And she's not on social media. She doesn't have a phone. So we've kind of protected her from that. And to her mom's credit, like, we are completely kind of in line with parenting. So how nice. That's, I mean, which has made everything easier to just let go because like what's in her best interest.

Yeah. And I got to meet your wife. Yeah. At whose wedding was that one? Jared and Ashley. No. It was. In Rhode Island, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That was the last bachelor thing I've done, was that one. Wow. And now here. And now they have two kids. That's wild. I do want to quickly touch on your redemption in Paradise. You were like the hero of Paradise.

Was that like, I feel like the villains always get the redemption on Paradise. What was that experience like for you? Well, it actually may be a little deeper story. So everything on Paradise, I guess Paradise happened first. when I walked down like Ashley and her sister were like like just coming after me telling me they're going to throw my clothes in the ocean it was just like really weird right and so like I'm like oh gosh like I'm not on friendly terms here like what's going on yeah within a day maybe two days I was kind of like the big brother

to just all the like because I wasn't this sounds awful I wasn't attracted to any of the girls there I was dating somebody and I was really on the fence about even going Yeah. So I wasn't really trying to get myself in female trouble there. Yeah. It was another one of those like, hey, like one, they were going to pay me this time. Yeah, exactly. And I needed money.

Like I had child support alimony. Yeah. Okay, I'll get paid. Yeah. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. But I was not chasing any girls at Paradise. So like, I was not involved in any drama. Yeah.

I was the only guy there that just didn't care. Yeah. And producers kind of let me do my own thing. I was the only one that I would sleep in. I would go read a book. And then I would boogie board for like. four hours a day. It was crazy.

And then I would come up around three and I would just drink and hang out. Yeah. So like, it was great. It was fantastic. It was a 14 day vacation in Mexico. Totally. And so I just became this de facto big brother to everyone there.

Yeah. Because you ended up leaving on your own terms, right? Yeah. And so then, you know, when Joe Bailey and stuff kind of got sideways with Julia and stuff, they woke me up. And like I had this crazy, crazy like sunburn. and I had been sleeping and like they had actually like the medics had like given me stuff and they're like hey man you got to go talk to Joe no one else will do yeah yeah I always find

myself in these spots like whatever okay so I just did it for fun and then you know we have this confrontation with Joe which actually was genuine like it was actually real I couldn't believe that he got so in my face yeah yeah you know afterwards my ankles were so swollen from drinking in the sun and my sunburn was killing me and I was like too like I am exhausted. Yeah, I'm out of you. And I was like, guys, like, I didn't even tell the producers. Like, I decided, it was the rose ceremony and I decided, you know, I told them five minutes before the rose ceremony. It's like, hey, I'm self-eliminating. Yeah. And so you got to give your rose to someone else that could stay. Yeah. Yeah. And so we did that. So like, that worked out.

And I was like, so there was no drama. But then we had filmed that, but then we had this after the Rose. Remember, like, we had, what was that thing called where we did it where you, you were there. Is it after the final rose? Is that the show? Or, yeah, after the final, or the men tell all? Men tell all. Yeah. Yeah. Men tell all. Yeah. So we had the men tell all. And I believe we'd already filmed Paradise. Yes. So then you leave Paradise. How long until you meet your now wife? I guess it was probably three years. Yeah. It was probably three years post show that we met. And then we got married, you know, we got married on Leap Day about two weeks before COVID. So we got super lucky. We got the wedding done. Yeah. Honeymoon. And then it was like on the way on the honeymoon is

like world shutting down. Holy crap. So we were so lucky to just get it done. Wow. And then did you have a COVID baby? No. No. We got pregnant. I mean, we have a two and a half year old. Oh, two and a half. Yeah, we got pregnant. Yeah, we actually moved to Vale. We're living in veil and she's like hey we need to make this happen it's like I don't know I just don't know if I need more kids yeah yeah and yeah now we have Nell who's two and a half cute name and we've got one on the way how far long is your wife she is uh 20 weeks oh my gosh yep girl so I will have three three girls JJ is a dad to three girls yeah I would we know that I can't have boys like clearly at this stage, right?

Now, would you try for another boy? Do you hate when people last that? No, I told her, I was like, this is the last one. She's like, well, I want three kids. I have three kids. One of which I've spent half my life basically funding. I was like, oh, congratulations. Yeah, I'm getting snipped.

Yeah, I'm ready to lock in now. Oh my gosh, that's so awesome. I'm so happy for you. I appreciate it. Oh, my God. It's so cool to just all the guys that are coming on. I just, I get genuinely excited to talk to because I'm like, there's not one, unless Ian

was coming to sit here, that'd be the only one where I'd be like, but he said no. I mean, you just said the name. I forgot he existed. Isn't that crazy? Do you remember how awful he was to me? Only be, no, I mean, the thing is like, I don't have a perspective because we only got bits and pieces, like, just small anecdotes or like, you know, you hear, but like, I think you saw it probably more than.

Yeah. To us, like, he seemed nice. Yeah. Well, he would sneak me notes all the time. I'm of like, I'm talking three page love letters and I would go home and read them and be like, hey, this is like deep. And like he like is obsessed with me and I barely have talked to him. And so then when I was like not giving him that attention back, he lost it on me.

And he's like, I think you're shallow. I think you're just here to make out with a bunch of dudes. And like I see you as surface level and I don't see you as the girl that I thought you were. And I was like, you just wanted to quit before you got fired. So he left. And I was like, bye. When did he leave? Was that San Antonio, too?

San Antonio, yeah. I feel like to wrap this up, I want to like maybe say something that people wouldn't know about Clint, like how good of a person he was, how close of a friend he was to you that didn't get to be shown on TV. You know, the thing that stands up with me and Clint is he was just so talented in so many different things. So, you know, musically, he was incredibly talented. talented. You know, artistically, we, we saw it briefly with the Chris Harrison on the. Oh, my God.

Triceratops sketch. But, you know, I think he just had so many talents, right? And he was a D1 wrestler. He was musically gifted. He was artistic. You know, he was witty. And so, you know, from his perspective, like, he was so well-rounded. And he was, he actually belonged on the show when I say 30 most eligible bachelors you know he worked for an architecture company you know he wasn't like me and the rest of us who were just unemployed guys at the at their lows right who were hoping the show could you know raise their ties yeah he had so much going from what a show I can't believe it's been a decade I love seeing where people are at now congrats on everything and thanks for coming on thanks for having me and sharing your

side of the damn story. You're not a villain. Even watching back, I'm like, he's funny like villains are way worse these days. Top 10 villain. It always pops up in my thing. I'm like, man. Well, I'm like top 10 sluttiest. No, I'm like top two sluggiest bachelor. So there's that. Well, at least on both, we're both on a list. We made some sort of list.