Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Kaitlyn’s Bachelorette Reunion | Joshua Albers: Welded Me a Rose… and Got a Terrible Mohawk in Return!

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

#855. Another week, another blast from Kaitlyn Bristowe’s Bachelorette past — and today, it’s Joshua Albers! In this episode of her 10-year reunion series, Kaitlyn sits down with Josh to revisit everything from his iconic steel rose entrance to that unforgettable Mohawk moment (she swears she tried her best).Josh opens up about the casting process, the “cool chick or amazing woman” line that still lives rent-free in Kaitlyn’s head, and the moment during filming when he felt completely alone. He also shares how going home led to a short but real bout of depression and feeling like he let his family down.Now married with two kids and living a very different life, Josh reflects on it all—honest, hilarious, and unfiltered. Full episode out now!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp. Off The Vine listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/VINE.Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering my listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VINE.Lady World: Come Join me for a fun weekend! Get your tickets now at LadyWorld.COEPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (3:33) – Cast because he’s the small-town guy? Josh breaks down the casting process!(10:58) – “Cool chick or amazing woman?” Drunk Josh nailed this iconic line!(12:48) – Left with half a Mohawk and a broken heart — thanks, Kaitlyn!(23:22) – Josh gets real about the most brutal moment of the season.(31:00) – Sex-ed date breakdown!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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brought me a steel rose we talk about that because it's a little bit of a touchy subject a little bit of a touchy subject we definitely get into the unwanted Mohawk that I gave him. He only agreed to come on this podcast if I had Jameson on the rocks with an orange slice, grilled shrimp, room at 70 degrees. And so we're really finding out what kind of diva this guy is. But we had a lot of fun. We talked about a lot of behind the scenes, what went down when Nick came into the house, the drama, the group dates, and how now your whole life has come full circle and you're a dad of two happily married. Yeah. Joshua. Yes, ma'am. Okay, it's been 10 years. 10 years.

When did I actually see you last? Like, have I seen you at like a Bachelor in Paradise wedding or anything? Or has it really been like since? The men tell all. The men tell all is truly the last time I saw you. Yeah. Because I'm thinking about the other guys that I saw that I've interviewed so far. Like Ben, I see Ben H all the time.

We like text every week. Like we're friends. Like everybody else I've seen since. And I think you're the first person that I haven't seen since. And I just watched back episode six, which as did you, I had to go downstairs, as I said, and fix my makeup because I cried. It was such an intense episode. I felt so bad for you.

It was rough. We're going to get into all of that. I want to actually go back and start at the very beginning because I don't know these questions about you. I found out just through DMs that you're a huge diva because you need your whiskey with orange slice and you wanted grilled shrimp at 70 degrees. Is this just... No, the room at 70, the shrimp. Preferably more than 70.

Okay, I was wondering what the, okay, is the room temperature okay? No shrimp, though, some a little bit. I don't know where the tiger shrimp went. It's chilling on ice downstairs. I was reading the DMs and I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? And then I'm like, I'm pretty sure he's joking. You were being funny, right? Yes.

This was very surprising. This makes me happy. Oh, well, I was happy to join you. I realized as I was watching the season back, I'm like, I drank a shit ton of whiskey on that season. Like, hi, that was my favorite drink. Yeah. I mean, I still love it. But I'm such a wine gal. One of the besters there is. And this is a good whiskey I got for you, isn't it? It's very smooth. Okay, so we're like really rewinding here. What was the casting process like for you to get on the show? I, you know, I've been asked that question for a decade now. Yep. And I believe, I honestly believe it's because I met the quota for like the small town country bumpkin guy. I really do because, I mean, I was. But they knew I liked that because I was obviously into Crystal. right so they were like we gotta have a country boy on there yeah i mean i think i was the only blue color guy cast everything everybody else was investors bankers personal trainers yeah like four of them

i went i did i did the initial application because i was yeah i was bored of course i was working in elko nevada at the time in a gold mine yeah i was bored one night it was the very end of chris's season yeah and it came on do you have what it takes to be the next bachelor and i was like, I can try to date 25 chicks. Yeah, let's give her a shot, you know. So I sent in my, I just sent in a profile picture and answer like 10 questions. Yeah. Then nothing. For how long? Six months. Oh, okay. Six months later, yeah. I got a phone call from Bachelorette. Yeah. And they're like, hey, we're so and so from the Bachelorette. And I was like, who, who are you talking about? What is this? Yeah. They're like, you sent in an application. I was like, well, yeah, to be the bachelor.

Yeah. Because I'd never, I'd never watch. the show. You'd never watch. Never watched a show, so I didn't know how it worked. Oh, hilarious. I didn't know you had to be part of the. Okay, got it, got it. To be the.

Yeah. And they're like, well, are you still single and interested? I was like, oh, yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah. And then, so then after that, it was send in, send an answer to these 50 questions and then a video of sports attire, casual attire, fancy attire. Really?

And answer, you know, answer a bunch of these questions on video. Right. just they can kind of get your personality. You probably did the same, the same crap. I didn't have to. Okay. I'm not sure.

I honestly, I'm trying to think of how my girlfriend sent in an application. She did everything for me. And so she told me a couple things to do. And then they brought me in for one interview and then I was in. So that's like Jared then because Jared didn't do it himself. He had one of his girlfriends back home. Yeah. And some people like,

they were really putting you through it. Yeah. So I did that. And then they wanted more pictures. Yeah. So I sent in more pictures. pictures. And then they wanted to interview me. Then they're like shirt off now. Probably. Undy's optional. Yeah. And then they, they wanted me to go to L.A. to actually interview with the

producers in L.A. And I was like, well, you're in luck. Because I happen to be flying to Vegas to meet up with one of my buddies to watch the Dumb and Dumber 2 premiere. Who wouldn't? Right. Perfect. So then we rode trip to down to L.A. quick. Did the little interview process. How cosmic? It was supposed to be. Right back. And then another few months later, they They called and were like, you're in. Holy shit. It was almost exactly one year from the very first picture I sent into when they said, we'd like you to be on the show.

Was it exciting for you to like, sometimes to meet people that live your lifestyle, like, that's very comfortable to them and that's like what you know. Were you excited to like get into the world of like, this is showbiz, baby? Or were you like scared to leave that life behind? But you're ready for change? No, no, no. I'm very set in my ways and I have been. I like the slow pace.

Yeah. And I told Alon, when we were still in the hotel room before we even had our very first appearance at the mansion. Yeah. I was like, man, I don't know who it is because obviously they didn't release it to anybody until like that night. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know who you guys got picked.

I said, but if you think she'll never leave the city, send me home now. Really? I say, because I will not move to a city. I won't do it. Really? Yeah. And was he like, you're in luck? This shit.

He goes, I can't tell you, but he goes, who he did pick. has had a taste of the fame, so she kind of knows what it's like. I go, well, if you think she wouldn't relocate, send me home. Funny. And they didn't, so I didn't know what to think. Well, I did relocate. I moved to Nashville without even seeing Nashville. I'd never been here before, and I moved here.

This is way too city for me. Oh, really? This is nuts. Yeah. Interesting. Wait, where are you? Are you still in Idaho? Mm-hmm.

You are? Same town I grew up in. You're kidding. Oh, that's adorable. Kuna. It's not as small and quaint as it. used to be. It's like one of the fastest growing towns in one of the fastest growing states in the nation. It's horribly depressing. Oh, why? Because you like it to stay. Yeah, I've got like

five stop signs or five stop lights in our town now. That's cute. I kind of grew up like that. It sucks. It is simple living and there's something to be said about simple living. They're the happiest people, I think. For the most part, more so 15, 20 years ago than now. I mean, A lot of, there's the camera, a lot of Californians. Oh, same with you're actually. They're moving there. And it's just, I mean, the crime's going up. Really?

Yeah. Because people, I feel like underestimated Idaho. It's so beautiful. It is. Well, where I'm at is, I mean, it's pretty in the mountains, but it's also the valley. It's a high desert. So it's, there's a lot of brown in the summertime. But if you drive, you know, two hours north or two hours east, it's, you're in Sun Valley.

Yeah. up north is gorgeous in the sawtoothes. I feel like I could get down with, well, I won't because I know you don't want people moving there, but like Montana, I feel like I could go with Montana. Montana, that's Montana and Alaska are the only two places I would move if I ever left.

Really? If I ever left Idaho. I can't believe you think Nashville's too big for you. Too big. It has grown tremendously over the last like nine years that I've been here, but that's crazy. Did you have expectations? Like, obviously you'd never seen the show before.

So you're not, you're walking out of that limo like absolutely. clueless. What did you do when you found out it was two of us? I don't know. Were you like, okay, this is what happens? I mean, I never watched it. I just knew that it was the very first time they've ever done it. Yeah. So, I mean, I was indifferent, I guess, because I wasn't hoping for just one. Right. The only reason I was really, really worried and I immediately went to the producers was I had made that one rose. My metal rose, right? So I made one. Yeah. And I went right to the producers and I says I can't I can't give this to just one I go I'm not going to give it to one to these girls and leave the other one out I's like I can't do it so we need to figure out what I'm

going to do so then they explained that you know we're going to vote one off the island right you can give the one yeah oh my gosh but I was like in a huge panic that I only had the one and then there's two there's two of you guys oh you didn't want to be mean no I don't want to leave anybody out that's really sweet okay now remind me of what you did when you came out of and saw two, did you, how did that actually happen? Well, I was rooting for you. Yeah. Thank you.

Did you ever waver? I don't think so. I mean, because I only got like five minutes with each of you before. Okay, that's true. Okay. So I got out, I tried to do the dumb and dumber scene where I put out the vibe. I leaned over the limo and stuck my ass out a little bit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I remember loving that, yes. And then I went to Bree first. Yeah. And then when I went to you and gave you a hug, I was like, I'm just saving the best for last. Oh. But when they edited it and they showed it, I got out of the very first limo. Yeah.

But when they showed it on TV, I was the very last limo and the very last guy. Interesting. So that when I hugged you, it said, saving the best for last. Okay, so episode six, we start off by still being in New York, which this was like a huge turning point for you personally, but also in the whole season for Nick showing up. Yeah. You had a pretty strong reaction to Nick coming. I was very drunk. we had just finished the Aladdin audition.

Yes. And then, so when Cupcake got picked. And you guys all had to go home. So we all left. We're like, well, okay, so we had a one-on-one date, but none of us really got one-on-one with her, now we leave in. Yeah. Or a group date, I mean.

Yeah. So now we have to leave. And I say, oh, it's just a cool chick, huh? That's my favorite line of the whole episode. And there I go, I wouldn't have said that sober. Really? That was hands down my favorite line of the. the whole episode. And I like it. I like remember clapping watching that back because he was,

it was a good call out. Yeah. I mean, I was proud of myself for saying it. Yeah. I wouldn't have said it had I not had. Had I not had that liquid courage in there. Yeah. Oh, funny. So yeah, I was like, oh, that's, that's drunk. That's drunk, Joshy. I actually loved that though, because he's like, yeah, she's a cool chick. And I was like, oh, I didn't expect him to say that. And you're like, is she a cool chick or she is an amazing woman. And I'm like, yeah, Joshua. I was so stoked. You said that. A couple of good moments. You did. You did. I felt so bad. And obviously, I felt bad about the haircut, which we will get to as well. You're right, America. She was really guilty about that one.

I actually was. I can't remember if it was JJ or Benzie, but they're like, did you actually want to give him a good haircut? And I went, I swear to you on everything. I have too much pride. And I like to be good at everything that I do. I wanted to give you a good haircut. I actually swear to you. on everything I wanted to make it look cool. I think it would have looked cool if I didn't that one side with the clippers. I actually think it would look good. But like, because you're like, you're a barber. And I'm like, well, I mean, I'm not a barber,

but I took cosmetology. I learned how to cut color, perm, everything with hair. So I knew how to like cut with scissors. And I knew what I was doing with the clippers. But they were like the shittiest clippers. That and I think the battery died after about 30 seconds. And the blades were probably rusty. Because when you were doing it,

awful. I could feel you ripping my hair out. Yeah, it wasn't cutting. It was it was ripping. It was ripping. It was ripping. It was ripping my hairs out of my head. Yeah, I remember. But I'm really sorry about that. That's okay. I looked like a meth head going through the airport. No big deal. I got, I got home. What is happening in my life? What turn did I take that I have like this hair cut and I got sent home on the Bachelorette? People are like, look at this poor bastard walking through the airport. He's half his head's bald. He's crying all over the plane. Oh my gosh. I got I got home and I went my, the same lady that's done my hair since I was, I don't know how old. I said, I know you don't

have a lot of hair to work with on this side, but could you make me, like, even it out? Could you balance me out just a little bit? She goes, what happened to you? Were you able to tell her? Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I told her. Yeah. Who was she going to tell? I'm living in Idaho. Well, the, everybody and then everybody, did everyone in your small town freak out? Yeah, it backfired quite a bit. Why? Not necessarily for me, but for like my niece and my nephew. few who are still in school. Oh. So, oh, no, that's a lie. It wasn't, it wasn't Bachelor. It was Bachelor in Paradise. It really backfired. Oh, yeah. We'll get there because that's bullshit too. Okay. So, yeah, that's the one that backfired. No, this, this was fine.

Yeah, but people probably freaked out, like being like that, because that's it, that are, I'm not like tooting my own horn. I'm just saying for that franchise around. You were a big season. It was a big season. So to go back to a small town. It was, um, and probably like the last season before people started doing it mainly for the likes and the followers and the endorsements. We had no idea what social media was going to be. Yeah. I mean, I had 20 people on Instagram.

Yeah. And I had downloaded that maybe a month before the show because that's some friends were like, you should get it. It's new. We're on it. We can talk. I was like, all right. Funny.

And I did like a couple podcasts after the show and they're like, what's your handle so people can look you up? I go, I don't know. So the guy's interviewed me. So different now. And then the, it was neat. The fan base is crazy though. The fact that they think it's live.

Oh, wild. I feel like you're an old-school gentleman. I try to be. I mean, they say Shilvery's dead, but, I mean, I still try to open up the door for the wife as much as I can and a car door. Your wife's beautiful, by the way. She's pretty good-looking.

She's really pretty. Mrs. Idaho. I know. I saw that. I was like, okay, get it, John. Miss Rhode Island. Yeah. She's gorgeous.

She's pretty good. I did all right. Your whole family is just beautiful, which we will also get to. But from your perspective, what did it feel like when Nick walked into that room? Because so you were kind of given this heads up. They made it so weird. Nobody stood up. Nobody said, hey, man, nice to meet you.

Everyone just sat on this couch, stared at him. He had to sit on the other couch. Genuinely, people were, we were pissed. Yeah. Well, I mean, I didn't know his history, his story because I didn't watch anything. So you were getting like the gossip. from gossip sites from guys reading the gossip from an edited show. All I knew was that he had made it to like the final two.

And I thought, what does a dude who made it that far already? Why is he instantly want to be in the very next season? Like is he chasing that fame? Is he chasing like, why would you want to go back to back? You just were in love, not a year ago. And now you want to be in love with another woman on the same TV show. Right. So I...

Very fair for it to raise some valid questions. I immediately questioned the motives. But yeah, generally everybody was... We were upset. Yeah. You had your time. Yeah. Let's...

How about you kick rocks? Yeah. And let us give this a shot. Now, looking back now, do you get it? Are you still like, that was stupid? Oh, no. It wasn't stupid. Yeah.

I mean, I'd still be pissed. Right. I totally understand. Watching back, I keep saying, like, I get it. I get it. Nobody really knew anything about him. He said, you know, when I watched it back, he said that he had spoke with you prior to the show. And then right then all of us were like, already got a leg up.

Right. Like we've known her for two weeks and he'd been speaking with her for however long prior to even filming starting. This is why it's unfair because for everybody, because he did have a leg up, but that's what made me be like, well, why would I not give this guy a shot when I left coming here thinking about him? I'm like, why would I, if he leaves now, I'm still going to go through this season thinking about him where if I bring him on, yes, I'm being extremely selfish and I'm going to piss off guys who I actually care about and respect, but like I'm making a life altering decision that I really want to make sure I'm doing what, and I had clearly feelings for him. It's like, undeniable that I was like, for him. But it was so frustrating because I didn't think he was going to come on.

When we talked, it was like, you know, a few pretty deep conversations. And I was like, wow, I really enjoyed talking to him. I'm going to miss talking to him because that's probably the last time. And I kind of joked saying, like, get out of the limo on the first night. And he was like, I can't. Like, I can't leave my job. And so when he came halfway through, I was like, holy shit. I'd like to say it's what I would have done had I been the lead of the show.

Right. You said you had feelings for him. But you also thought it'd be unfair to bring him on because of feelings you might be having for the other guys. Right. I think what the ideal situation would have been would have been keep him off to the side, have them stay home. If any of the 25 guys that you had in front of you who were there for you didn't meet your fancy, well, then you leave the show single and you go to him because none of us made you forget about him. I understand that perspective. It's like if he was such a thought

in the back of your mind, we're like, I want to get a known better. Then the whole show. Do you think Sean and I would still be together if Nick didn't come on the show? No. Probably not. Right. Do you think it hurt your connection with me bringing him up every time now now probably yeah i don't know how it couldn't i talked about him a lot which was stupid most of it was me trying to look out for you yeah i knew that because i know that you only see parts of the guys that the guys want you to see of them you don't you don't see what happens when we're all together right and we talk about and the producers don't tell me yeah so i thought i was doing good by looking out for you like this is what happens behind the scenes when you're not around,

when he's not talking to you. Right. But I didn't really realize how much, how valuable my time was with you. Especially from not watching the show. Yeah. You know, only getting a few minutes at a time. Yeah. So to spend that time talking about another guy, now looking back is like, well, that was stupid.

But then what I was trying to, I was doing it, well, that and I was also doing what I thought was right. Yeah. Your intention was to protect and, like, warn me almost. And I believe I told you that. before you sent me packing in San Antonio, where I apologize to you for that night before, I was like, but if I had to do it again, I would. Yeah, that's what, like, watching it back.

I was like, I see all angles of everything watching it back. I'm like, I totally love that you wanted to be honest and that you were like talking about your intuition and your gut feelings and saying all that. But I was like so confused because obviously then you go back to all the. guys who are not having your back at all, then I throw you under the bus. And then everyone's like, well, I don't know. I didn't say anything of that. Was that real?

Like, what was that situation like? That was the most to this point in my life, the most uncomfortable I've ever been in my entire life. Tell me why. I felt so alone while being surrounded by people. Yeah. It was. It was painful.

It was painful. Why didn't anyone stand up for you? I think, well, the next scene is you and Sean, and I, he, he stood up for you. Yeah. And I'm very thankful that they even aired that part instead of leaving me out to dry for the rest of my time on the show. Yeah, that was nice. But I make it look like I was a rat. The fact that he said, I think a lot of guys just tuck their tail.

Yeah. And they're looking out for themselves instead of agreeing with me. Which was so shitty for you because I'm sitting there being like, am I crazy? Like, nobody else is seeming to have a problem. And you were like, guys. And then everyone else, and so when Sean told me that, I was like, And the very next episode in Ireland, the guys are sitting around talking about Nick being there and how he shouldn't be. So when I was watching that bag by myself, I was like, what the fuck?

It's like, you guys. Seriously. It was tough because everybody talked about it. And we all agreed on it. And at that group date site, at that little dude ranch, we were at the, we were delayed like 45 minutes from starting because a producer locked their keys in a car. that was right where the camera was going to be, where we were going to enter the location. So we were sitting on this bus waiting for them to break into the car

so they could move it out of the way. And me and Ben Zorn, sorry, BZ. We were, him and I were kind of off to the side talking about. This is horseshit. This is garbage. Why, hey, here, here, here. And then I was watching it back. He was like, what are you talking about, man?

Yeah, I was like, are you serious? You're not going to say nothing. What are you talking about? I was like, oh my gosh, like an hour ago, bro. And your poor. face when I said so everybody's lying to me you're like oh god this is bad this is bad it was awful like I said I've never felt so alone yeah oh my entire life that breaks my heart up till now when everybody there was like what are you talking about it was like yeah and I was

I'm watching myself going like this I was I was horrible I felt terrible and I after watching I didn't remember that Sean did that the next day, like, stood up for you and watching that back. I was like, that was cool that he did that. Because I know you guys are friends and he had your back. And I think you two were the most affected by Nick. Yeah. Yeah. We both come from, you know, smaller towns. Yeah. And that's what I kept telling the guys. I was like, my town is small. When somebody like that is around, they stand out. Yeah. Because they're not sincere. I mean, you know what I'm talking about. They stand out because they're not like everybody else. They're like. But you're. But you're.

different. Not a lot of people have the intuition that some people have. You have good intuition and judge of character. Some people don't. It is something to say about your character that you could see through some bullshit. Well, I tried. I didn't, I mean, you sent me home. Why didn't you love me? Why didn't you love me? Is that what you came here to ask? I needed the liquid courage to actually ask you this question. This conversation is going nowhere. Let's talk politics. How about some religion? Yeah. I actually was dying, laughing at how cold it was at the city. field in that rose ceremony. I was watching it back and I was like, how cold do you think it was? Like I was, I was lucky. I had heaters under me. I had jacket. I had scarf. I had gloves. I was like

set up for success. You guys were just literally in. I think, I mean, coming from where I come from, that gets chilly. With the wind, it was easily in the 20s. Yeah. I said maybe 30, but it could have been colder than that. It was snowing. So you're right there. You're at least 32-ish. But then with the breeze, it was easy in the 20s. But the producers ran to a sporting goods. store nearby and bought out all their under armor. Oh, they did? So we had underarmor pants and shirts. Okay, I didn't know that.

But watching it last night, again, the wife was laying there with me. And she goes, you were the only one that doesn't look like you're about to die. Yeah, you can really tell, like, who grew up where in that situation. I hate heat. Yeah. Do you really? I hate it. And I looked up the weather here before coming.

I was like 80 degrees come on. That's funny. So I was actually not very, I was fine. You were in face. But you look at like Ryan from Miami and he's. He was like, and his hair was blowing, and he looked like he was going to die out there. Who is the guy who is like the, I can't remember who was investment banker or what the hell was his name? Oh, Corey.

Corey was from New York. Oh, he looked like he was in pain. Yeah, he was about to die too. I forgot he was from New York. Him and Cupcake. Cupcake was his teeth were chattering. Yeah, his perfect teeth were chattering. I want to talk about the rose that you brought me.

Well, that you brought and ended up in. my hands. You well did it. That was the coolest thing. I was so, and I kept so many keepsakes like the Clint drawing that he did, your rose, the drawing that Sean's nephew did for me. Like I kept everything and you got so mad at me. When you wanted to auction it off. Yeah. Which at the time I was like, why is he mad? And now I'm like, I really wish I had it. Do you still have it? Because somehow it got sent back to you. Yeah. Yep. Sean Sean kept it in the split, and then he mailed it to me. He goes, you probably want this.

And I text him, like, I text him. I go, are we breaking up? I was like, what's happening? Why do I have it? That's, I also am confused by this whole situation. So you welded a rose. I got it. I thought it was so cool.

I made sure that the producers kept the things that I wanted to keep so that I could take them back home. I kept it. I had it on a table in the house that Sean and I lived in together, sat there, and I worked with this. one charity and it was like for homeless youth and I was trying to raise money. And I was like, oh, I could auction off things that I got on the show for money, which now looking back, I'm like, I still could have raised the money without doing that because Instagram is a powerful

place. But I'm like, I thought it went to, I can picture her face, this lady that was such a huge fan at the time. I know she bought the Clint painting too. And I could have swore that it went to somebody that paid to raise money for this sleepout, and I didn't know that it got back to you until we were DMing on Instagram, like, years later. He said he snagged it before it could get auctioned off. What? Yeah, because I'm assuming because he...

That person's probably still waiting for it in the mail. Well, before it got auctioned off. Oh, okay. I'm assuming because he knew that you were asking me if you could. And, you know, for the cause, yeah, I mean, that's very admirable, but at the same time, it's like, but I made that for you. Right. And for it to end up with somebody else

would have hurt me a little bit because since that show, I could probably retire by now if I made one for everybody that wanted one. Right. Oh, for sure. But I've made them for family, friends. I've made it, I've made a couple

because after the show and after Paradise, Ashley, I did some fundraisers for non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which my mom has. Yes. I made a couple for that to auction off for that. And other than that, I mean, that's really been it. Like, Coupa, I made some for Cupa for him to give it his mom. Aw.

Can I have it back? Oh, who are you going to give it to? Myself. I want it back. I want to. I'll put it right here behind me. It'll be in every scene of my podcast. I actually thought about it.

I'm like, I hope because it, well, I should have asked. I was like, I hope he brings me back that rose. Oh, you should have asked them. To me, I was like, well, she wanted to get rid of it. It's mine now. No, no, no. I want it back actually so bad. I'll pay for it

I'll pay for it I will I'll buy it back from you and I will put it in this room Let's see with inflation after 10 years It's probably going to be We're probably pushing about $1,000 for that Thousand bucks on the way

And I'll pay for the shipping too Also I'm supposed to tell you That my wife is very grateful That you didn't love me and sent me home Aw I'm grateful honestly I looked at your Instagram I'm like what a beautiful little family you have She's like, I'm glad she didn't like you.

How long have you guys been? I liked you. I did. You were a love virgin. I was. You were a love virgin and you, what was the other one? You, um... It was really about it.

Oh, but we never kissed, did we? We did the night you sent me home. Oh, yeah! Which is funny because they told me afterwards, I believe they said you were the very first person to ask permission to kiss that individual. Really? Yeah. because we'd been talking for a while and we hadn't kissed yet and I was like we're in like week four or whatever it was and I go I remember going is it is it okay if I give you a kiss I do remember that oh yeah after after I left the producers were like we think you're the first guy to ask to kiss a bachelorette I was like I didn't want to just throw it out there was I like yes fuck yeah you're kind of yeah it's about time type of thing the clock has been ticking Joshua do you like going by Josh or Joshua I prefer Joshua you

do. Okay, good, because that's what I have been calling you, but sometimes when I get serious, I call you Josh, which is weird. I want to talk about the sex ed date. I horribly awkward. Do you know that still to like the day that Sean and I broke up, he called tampons tampons because of you? Did he? I'm sure he still does because you were like, I don't got these tampons and I died laughing because I was like, that's where Sean got it from. He always called them tampons. And the rip cord. And the rip cord. And I was like, oh my God, that was hilarious. Yeah, that was, I was so angry at you.

Why? You think I came up with, did you guys really think? I was angry at you that you didn't let us know those were actors. I thought I had ruined children's lives. That was the best part. Because I was so uneducated on the female period. Still not very good at it. Well, I mean, I wouldn't have expected you to be fully educated on it.

There is no engine on earth that changes its own oil. And I will never. I'll never be able to fully understand how the female body works. And I'm not going to pretend to know how. Oh, shit. That's funny. Is I, I knew. You were bright red.

Yeah. I probably read now. I feel hot. But that was so tough because we're out there and I had this script. I knew the things I was going to say. I was like, there's no way there's actual little kids in there. There's no way. So as like this fairly adultish version things,

I was going to say that older people could find appropriate and funny. Even for child actors to be hearing these things. I was like, ooh. And then we walked in and I go, I don't know what the hell I'm going to say. Yeah. These are way too young for what I've been preparing to talk about. So I love a prank, obviously. And I didn't know they were going to be child.

Like I feel like everybody, the audience, the guys, everyone thinks I'm picking these dates and planning them. But obviously that's like all production and whatever. And people start to know that now. but with that one I was like oh fuck yeah this is hilarious and when they told me they were actors I was like I was still mortified that these little kids had to hear what was happening because but it was like I don't know if I've ever laughed that hard of my life watching a bunch of men trying to explain the female anatomy so tough to a bunch of children who are like probably literally grossed out they're not acting they're like oh yeah you guys are saying some pretty crazy things I didn't know they were actors until I watched the show back and you were saying like we've hired actors And I thought, all these months, I've been terrified. I wrecked these children. You probably still didn't. I was so upset.

Like, why didn't she let us know after the date they were actors? Damn it. Isn't it crazy? Because how old were those? They were supposed to be like fourth graders or something? Yeah, they were probably like. Fifth grade? Okay, so they're 20 now.

Yeah. I want to talk to one of those kids that was there. And see if what they remember, if that like scarred them or if they were like, It was very educational. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the guy that got all of his breeding information from cattle trying to tell us how the female anatomy works from a bovine.

That was it. Honestly, I laughed so hard watching it back. And then, of course, Ben swoops in perfectly with like, I know. It's like, that's when he became The Bachelor. 100%. This is that episode. He is like one of the most incredible individuals on this planet. 100%.

He is such an awesome, genuine person. Yeah, probably, probably the most genuine. I think you're genuine. I just don't know you as well as I know Ben H. But I think Ben is truly, I agree with you, one of the most genuine humans I've ever met and has continued to stay true to himself and not care about anything but like family life

and like what's right in the world. Non-profits, oh, he's just a gem. Yeah, at his wedding, I went up to his mom. That's where I would have seen you, but I couldn't make it, but yes. Yeah, I went up to his mom and I said, you have probably the most incredible child I have ever met. Yeah, yeah. She just gave a big old bear hug.

I bet. He is such an incredible man. Well, then you see where he gets it. His parents are incredible. They literally, I, I'm like this slut of the franchise, just like breaking their son's heart. I didn't want to say it. I'm glad you did.

We all know what I was on that show. And I met when he became The Bachelor. Remember they had the after show? And I went to be a guest with Sean on the after show. And his parents just like open arms. Just like, thank you for everything that you did with Ben. And like, you were so wonderful. And I was like, what?

I was like mortified. And they were so lovely. And I was like, well, this explains a lot. That's why. Poor Ben, though, because everyone sees him as perfect. Then he gets called the perfect Ben instead of the perfect 10. He's the perfect bachelor. And he feels this expectation to live up to this perfect human being, which,

which he pretty much is, but I mean, I just love that guy. Yeah, good, good, good guy. And his wife, have you met her? Yeah, you talk about a sweetheart. The sweetest, like, those two together. And then they make the perfect little baby, and I'm just like, this all makes sense. This is, everything was supposed to happen the way it was, because honestly, Jess is one of the nicest people, too. And the fact that they're married is perfect.

It's just perfect. Yeah, my, speaking of parents, so just like maybe a week after I got home from you breaking my soul. I got I got home anyways my my dad comes up to me a few days later a week or so later and he goes because like like I mentioned earlier my mom's like a saint yeah yeah right she doesn't cuss yeah and uh dad comes up to me goes so me and your mother were sleeping the other night and he goes so she she couldn't sleep she was kind of restless he said it was silent the room was quiet suddenly she rolls over and goes and just what in the hell was wrong with my boy where she needed to send him home.

Stop! She was so upset that I wasn't good enough for you. Oh, bless. Oh, my gosh. No one hell was wrong with my boy where she... I was just like eating her alive, like trying to sleep. She just didn't figure out where they went wrong with me where I wasn't good enough for you. That's, oh, now I want to hug your mom.

Give her a hug from me and tell her there's nothing. You just, you needed more love experience. Yeah, it's a virgin, yeah. You were love virgin. I think I was the last guy to kiss you, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Just a prude.

Wait, and then you were a prude. I was like, fuck this guy. Now, after coming off the show, did you fall in love before your wife or was your wife your first love? First true, for sure. Wow. Cool. At Paradise. Oh, right.

At Paradise, I could feel myself working that way. Who were you involved with in Paradise? Tenly. Oh, Tenly. Yeah. Looking back at everything, because it is such a crazy experience, what do you think you learn the most about yourself? Probably that I'm not as comfortable in front of a camera as I thought I would be.

Really? I felt the entire time I was there, I felt like I was not my true self. It's tough. Like I'm always being watched. Yeah, well, you are. It's hard to feel like you are your genuine self, no matter how hard you try. Yeah. But I would also say resilient because you take a lot of shit when you get home.

Totally. And I felt, I felt a state of depression for a couple of weeks. Not that you sent me home because I wasn't good enough for you. I'm like, or be in your life any longer. It was, I felt like I let down my family and friends because I didn't make it all the way. It was like I'm already home. I felt like I let them down. Yeah.

So that was kind of where my depression for like, just a couple of weeks. Like I didn't really want to leave the house because I didn't want people to see. a funk after like it is you've gone through such a I always say exhausting you can't talk to family or friends about it because they I mean they don't understand no they can't ask the right questions so you got to reach out to the guys who are already home yeah you're like what are you going through how are you doing I'm doing okay but this and this happen you're like god me too did your group chat hate me I wouldn't say hate but I mean everybody left there a little bit hurt I was one of the first to just get so bullied online you got drug through the coals pretty good it was so

And I feel like you guys kind of like turned a corner with me there where you were like, I will ball my eyes out watching this every single time because I didn't think I was going to get emotional like talking about it with Chris. And then he just kept going with these tweets and I was like, geez. And then I was like, wait this. And then you guys all stood up for me and clapped. And I just was like every time I watch it because I'll show my friends now who haven't watched being like, look at Chris Harrison read these tweets because it's hilarious now. but then when I see all the guys stand up for me and like have a moment I'm like it's so like I mean you you can be you can be angry at somebody we can be upset at you or bum that you sent us home but a decent human can't stand by and just let that type of

insult just being riddled with that kind of stuff you can't just sit by idling and let it happen yeah it was it was really bad I've talked about depression man I people didn't see I was like in this weird place too where now like I'll fully talk about if I'm having these feelings I'll talk about when I'm low high all these things but then I was like I don't know how to explain what I'm going through to anybody so I would just lay in bed and my friend would bring over her baby because I loved babies and she just like plop her little newborn baby on my bed and I would just like hug this baby which now I'm like God I hope I didn't like put on this negative energy on this child of being like but it was like the only and she would

just bring me come and I would just lay in bed for days sobbing because not only was I'm I supposed to be happily engaged. I had hurt that person that I was happily engaged to so badly and he wasn't happy and we're supposed to be in this blissful time and it was just like dark and the bullying that was happening and like not being able to tell and so everyone's going up to Sean being like I hope you aren't you don't end up with that horror and he's like Jesus and I can't say anything and I'm just it was awful awful awful. thing now you obviously are a dad your husband what is what is Joshua like as a dad man is it the best crazy it is it's um you've a girl and boy right yep one of each yeah

I'm not a welder anymore I got out of that I just got tired of being away from home especially now with the two kiddos and wife yeah no more welding now I'm a I'm a safety guy for construction I'm a safety coordinator so I'm the guy on the job site that everybody hates yeah because you're making sure they're yeah yeah yeah You're just doing what's right. I mean, you're doing your job. Yeah. But everybody doing their job hates you doing your job.

And I was one of those guys. I would see the safety guy and go, oh, for the love of God. Here he comes. What's this bully prick want now. Oh, no. So now I'm that guy. Oh, no. But yeah.

So work for them, a company called McElvane. Keep that in. And, yeah. Allison, my wife, going on, oh, eight years now. I was going to say, was it 2018 that you guys? got hitched, Sean came. I asked a few guys to come from the show, but Sean made it. I remember, okay, something is coming to me about that.

He was mad or he was going to come to me with a wedding. He's like, I'm going to, and I was like, I want to go to Joshua's wedding. Something happened. I'm just having a moment of again, unlock. Sorry, anyways, go on. Yeah, Sean came. So, yeah, we got married in 2018. We got two kiddos.

Our little boy is five. He is high-function, autistic, and ridiculously smart. Really? He has every country in Africa memorized. Wow. Every country in Europe. South and Central America memorized. You're kidding.

He can complete a puzzle of the United States in like two minutes. He knows... I can't even do that with Canada. He knows multiplication, addition, subtraction. He's five? Five, just turned five. Wow. Yeah, crazy smart.

Wow. I will not be able to ever tutor him. No, no, he won't need it. Our little girl is insanely pretty. It's crazy. Yeah, she looks like a doll. She's nuts. It's actually, like she looks like she's out of some sort of like cartoon movie.

Yeah, she's got my blue eyes, my lips, her mama's dimples, dark hair. She's going to be the reason I go to prison. they won't find the bodies but somehow I'll get I'll be going to prison because of her have you ever seen you're probably are you on TikTok I'm assuming no okay there's this TikTok trend that's like um I'm gonna let God handle it because if I handle it I'm going to jail that'll be you yeah yeah yeah so she'll be the reason I go to jail yeah but yeah it's crazy man I mean you can be so angry and so frustrated at those children or that one child at the moment. Yeah. And then like you don't want them even in the room with you. And then 10 seconds later,

they look at you and smile and you're like, come to daddy. Daddy wants to hold you. My life is not complete without you. And the dynamics so different between the boy and the girl. Like with him, I just want to roughhouse him and play with him. Yeah. My little girl, Mercia, I mean, she just, I just want to hold and cuddle. She's like, Daddy, can we snuggle? Absolutely. Come over here and snuggle me right now. Gosh. I can't even, I can't even imagine. People probably get so annoyed at me on this podcast because I'm like, I'm like not, it's not healthy, how obsessed I am with my dogs that I can't even imagine how unhealthy my obsession will be with a child. Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty nuts. Even when they're, even when all they can do is make the little

coo noises and they just puke and fart and poop all over the place. You're still like, you're perfect. I mean, my little girl now who, I mean, she, she is my heart. Yeah. Yeah. And when she was an infant, she was a very aggressive and violent flatulator. Oh, yeah. Like every, you would swear on the Lord that every time she farted, she would blast through her pants. Really? And I was changing her diaper one night on the edge of the bed. You know, she wakes you up with just this horrible grumble in her shorts.

And you're like, well, we all know what that was. So we got her on the edge of the bed and I'm changing her diaper and she just, no just vapored me no oh my gosh fucking dad life hashtag dad life Allison just starts rolling I'm like she splatter painted my thighs just covered me oh my god and how old is she now in the morning she's going to turn four next month four gosh the end of me this one yeah just

absolute daddy's girl yeah He's an absolute mama's boy. Is he? Yeah. How precious. Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy.

I mean, you think you love your spouse and you know you do. Yeah. But then when you have the littles, you're like, well, this is just out of control. I feel like it's like it just cracks your heart open like another level that you can't explain. You really can't. You really can't. I'm so happy for you. And I'm still waiting, however, for their real parents to come pick them up.

Because it does not after, well, five. five years with Alden, it doesn't feel like I have children. Yeah. Like they'll be in the living room playing and I'll look at them and go, those are mine. Who do these belong to? Yeah. And I've had them long enough. That's so funny.

Five years and four years and they don't feel like they're my children. It's crazy. I'm really, really happy for you. Thank you. Yeah. It's really cool to see you and like talk through all this. And I've been saying to all the guys, I'm like, it's always so nice to hear their perspective too because you didn't really get a chance to like say your perspective.

necessarily. I mean, you can go on your Instagram if you wanted to or a podcast, but I, like, for us personally to sit down and like talk through it, I just love it. I'm love, I'm hating watching it, but loving talking to everybody. Yeah, very nostalgic. Oh my, I can't, I cried. I'm very anxious and like, I'm emotional about the passage of time. It really like, with me. And that's why I started crying watching today because I'm like, who was that little girl who just was like trying to figure it out and making mistakes and like I was so in love with Sean and now it's like 10 years later and you're just like I can't believe that was me like it doesn't feel real it feels like I keep saying it feels like I'm watching people who I'm like oh that's like look at that person and I'm like

that's me that's the first time I've watched it in quite a few years tough right yeah it's I mean 10 years later you would think I thought I was going to watch this back and just have a blast and I'm sitting here crying and having anxiety and being like, holy shit, like, that's a big moment in my life. For everybody it is. Like, it's the most pivotal moment in all of our lives probably that like changed the trajectory of everything. You have your own wine now. So I would say it's changed you in a little bit. Dream job. I get to have a microphone in my own wine. It's all I and my dogs. And a studio. Isn't that, isn't it so cute? It's pretty nice. Thank you.